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"answer": "Meeting participants wanted to agree upon a standard database to link up different components of the transcripts. The current idea was to use an XML script, but it quickly seemed that other options, like a pfile or ATLAS, are more suitable. The reason being that they would make it easier to deal with different linguistic units, like frames and utterances. Eventually, the team was skeptical of using something that would be hard to learn, like ATLAS. Nonetheless, they wanted to explore their options. The meeting finished with some discussion about handling annotations.",
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"answer": "C developed an XML format that links together utterances based on time tags, essentially creating a lattice. The XML format would be divided into many sections, each with its own ID and timeline tag. The XML format could be modified to deal with smaller linguistic units since that would only entail changing the timestamps. Despite being easy to use, the format was not efficient for smaller linguistic units, like phones. It would work for word units, at best.",
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"answer": "F was concerned about how the time labels would adjust to smaller phonetic units. F inquired if the time boundaries could be changed by propagating new information throughout the XML. F thought that they could configure different XML files to deal with different units, but it would lead to large file sizes.",
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"answer": "A had seen an example of this kind of XML format before. A thought that the time boundaries were nicely handled but believed that smaller linguistic units would drain too much memory. It was essentially like a lattice, in his opinion. Though, A did not seem too concerned with dealing with smaller linguistic units since the problem would not be encountered frequently.",
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"answer": "Since the team is familiar with Perl and a flat file format is easier, it was suggested that the cost of learning a new framework, like ATLAS, might be too high. It was suggested that ATLAS be used for the external file representation initially, and if it seems suitable, then it should be adopted in its entirety. P files were also discussed but the problem with them was that they could still get pretty big.",
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"answer": "C thought that other options have a big learning curve, which should be taken into account, and that a flat format works well. A flat file format may not be fast, but everyone can handle it. C believed that quick and dirty solutions should be balanced with long-term infrastructural solutions. For instance, Perl can be paired with external representations of ATLAS files to create a working system. C also suggested that alternatives to P files might be interesting too, though the disadvantage would, once again, be the learning curve.",
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"answer": "F wanted to ensure that prosodic features could be dealt with at the level of small linguistic units. F proposed that they be attached to the word or segment level with the option of extracting smaller units. This would allow the team to keep what they have without starting over.",
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"content": "Did {disfmarker} did {disfmarker} did it {disfmarker} ? I didn't even check yesterday whether it was moving .",
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"content": "Channel three ? Channel three ?",
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"content": "You know , I discovered something yesterday on these , um , wireless ones .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
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"content": "You can tell if it 's picking up {pause} breath noise and stuff .",
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"content": "Yeah , it has a little indicator on it {disfmarker} on the AF .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm . So if you {disfmarker} yeah , if you breathe under {disfmarker} breathe and then you see AF go off , then you know {pause} it 's p picking up your mouth noise .",
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"content": "Oh , that 's good . Cuz we have a lot of breath noises .",
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"content": "Yep . Test .",
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"content": "In fact , if you listen to just the channels of people not talking , it 's like \" @ @ \" . It 's very disgust",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "What ? Did you see Hannibal recently or something ?",
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"content": "Sorry . Exactly . It 's very disconcerting . OK . So , um ,",
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"content": "I was gonna try to get out of here , like , in half an hour , um , cuz I really appreciate people coming , and {vocalsound} the main thing that I was gonna ask people to help with today is {pause} to give input on what kinds of database format we should {pause} use in starting to link up things like word transcripts and annotations of word transcripts , so anything that transcribers or discourse coders or whatever put in the signal , {vocalsound} with time - marks for , like , words and phone boundaries and all the stuff we get out of the forced alignments and the recognizer . So , we have this , um {disfmarker} I think a starting point is clearly the {disfmarker} the channelized {pause} output of Dave Gelbart 's program , which Don brought a copy of ,",
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm familiar with that . I mean , we {disfmarker} I sort of already have developed an XML format for this sort of stuff .",
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"content": "um , which {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Can I see it ?",
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"content": "And so the only question {disfmarker} is it the sort of thing that you want to use or not ? Have you looked at that ? I mean , I had a web page up .",
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"content": "Right . So ,",
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"content": "I actually mostly need to be able to link up , or {disfmarker} I it 's {disfmarker} it 's a question both of what the representation is and {disfmarker}",
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"content": "You mean , this {disfmarker} I guess I am gonna be standing up and drawing on the board .",
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"content": "OK , yeah . So you should , definitely .",
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"content": "Um , so {disfmarker} so it definitely had that as a concept . So tha it has a single time - line ,",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and then you can have lots of different sections , each of which have I Ds attached to it , and then you can refer from other sections to those I Ds , if you want to . So that , um {disfmarker} so that you start with {disfmarker} with a time - line tag . \" Time - line \" . And then you have a bunch of times . I don't e I don't remember exactly what my notation was ,",
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"content": "Oh , I remember seeing an example of this .",
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"content": "but it {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Right , right .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Yeah , \" T equals one point three two \" , uh {disfmarker} And then I {disfmarker} I also had optional things like accuracy , and then \" ID equals T one , uh , one seven \" . And then , {nonvocalsound} I also wanted to {disfmarker} to be i to be able to not specify specifically what the time was and just have a stamp .",
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"content": "Right .",
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"content": "Yeah , so these are arbitrary , assigned by a program , not {disfmarker} not by a user . So you have a whole bunch of those . And then somewhere la further down you might have something like an utterance tag which has \" start equals T - seventeen , end equals T - eighteen \" . So what that 's saying is , we know it starts at this particular time . We don't know when it ends .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Right ? But it ends at this T - eighteen , which may be somewhere else . We say there 's another utterance . We don't know what the t time actually is but we know that it 's the same time as this end time .",
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"content": "You know , thirty - eight , whatever you want .",
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"content": "So you 're essentially defining a lattice .",
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"content": "OK . Yes , exactly .",
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"content": "And then , uh {disfmarker} and then these also have I Ds . Right ? So you could {disfmarker} you could have some sort of other {disfmarker} other tag later in the file that would be something like , um , oh , I don't know , {comment} uh , {nonvocalsound} \" noise - type equals {nonvocalsound} door - slam \" . You know ? And then , uh , {nonvocalsound} you could either say \" time equals a particular time - mark \" or you could do other sorts of references . So {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or you might have a prosody {disfmarker} \" Prosody \" right ? D ? T ? D ? T ? T ?",
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"content": "It 's an O instead of an I , but the D is good .",
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"content": "You like the D ? That 's a good D .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Um , you know , so you could have some sort of type here , and then you could have , um {disfmarker} the utterance that it 's referring to could be U - seventeen or something like that .",
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"content": "OK . So , I mean , that seems {disfmarker} that seems g great for all of the encoding of things with time and ,",
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"content": "Oh , well .",
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"content": "um {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess my question is more , uh , what d what do you do with , say , a forced alignment ?",
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"content": "I mean you 've got all these phone labels , and what do you do if you {disfmarker} just conceptually , if you get , um , transcriptions where the words are staying but the time boundaries are changing , cuz you 've got a new recognition output , or s sort of {disfmarker} what 's the , um , sequence of going from the waveforms that stay the same , the transcripts that may or may not change , and then the utterance which {disfmarker} where the time boundaries that may or may not change {disfmarker} ?",
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"content": "Oh , that 's {disfmarker} That 's actually very nicely handled here because you could {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker} all you 'd have to change is the , {vocalsound} um , time - stamps in the time - line without {disfmarker} without , uh , changing the I Ds .",
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"content": "Um . And you 'd be able to propagate all of the {disfmarker} the information ?",
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"content": "Right . That 's , the who that 's why you do that extra level of indirection . So that you can just change the time - line .",
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"content": "Except the time - line is gonna be huge . If you say {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Yes .",
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"content": "Yeah ,",
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"content": "suppose you have a phone - level alignment .",
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"content": "yeah , especially at the phone - level .",
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"content": "You 'd have {disfmarker} you 'd have {disfmarker}",
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"content": "The {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we have phone - level backtraces .",
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"content": "Yeah , this {disfmarker} I don't think I would do this for phone - level . I think for phone - level you want to use some sort of binary representation",
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"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
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"content": "because it 'll be too dense otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "OK . So , if you were doing that and you had this sort of companion , uh , thing that gets called up for phone - level , uh , what would that look like ?",
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"content": "Why",
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"content": "I would use just an existing {disfmarker} an existing way of doing it .",
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"content": "How would you {disfmarker} ?",
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"content": "Mmm . But {disfmarker} but why not use it for phone - level ?",
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"content": "It 's just a matter of {disfmarker} it 's just a matter of it being bigger . But if you have {disfmarker} you know , barring memory limitations , or uh {disfmarker} I w I mean this is still the m",
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"content": "It 's parsing limitations . I don't want to have this text file that you have to read in the whole thing to do something very simple for .",
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"content": "Oh , no . You would use it only {pause} for {pause} purposes where you actually want the phone - level information , I 'd imagine .",
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"content": "So you could have some file that configures how much information you want in your {disfmarker} in your XML or something .",
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"content": "Right . I mean , you 'd {disfmarker} y",
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"content": "I {disfmarker} I am imagining you 'd have multiple versions of this depending on the information that you want .",
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"content": "cuz th it does get very bush with {disfmarker} Right .",
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"content": "Um , I 'm just {disfmarker} what I 'm wondering is whether {disfmarker} I think for word - level , this would be OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "For word - level , it 's alright .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Yeah . Definitely .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "For lower than word - level , you 're talking about so much data that I just {disfmarker} I don't know . I don't know if that {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I mean , we actually have {disfmarker} So , one thing that Don is doing , is we 're {disfmarker} we 're running {disfmarker} For every frame , you get a pitch value ,",
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"content": "Lattices are big , too .",
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"content": "and not only one pitch value but different kinds of pitch values",
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"content": "Yeah , I mean , for something like that I would use P - file",
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"content": "or {disfmarker} or any frame - level stuff I would use P - file .",
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"content": "Meaning {disfmarker} ?",
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"content": "Uh , that 's a {disfmarker} well , or something like it . It 's ICS uh , ICSI has a format for frame - level representation of features . Um .",
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"content": "OK . That you could call {disfmarker} that you would tie into this representation with like an ID .",
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"content": "Right . Right . Or {disfmarker} or there 's a {disfmarker} there 's a particular way in XML to refer to external resources .",
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"content": "And {disfmarker} OK .",
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"content": "So you would say \" refer to this external file \" . Um , so that external file wouldn't be in {disfmarker}",
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"content": "So that might {disfmarker} that might work .",
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"content": "But what {disfmarker} what 's the advantage of doing that versus just putting it into this format ?",
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"content": "More compact , which I think is {disfmarker} is better .",
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"content": "Uh - huh .",
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"content": "I mean , if you did it at this {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I mean these are long meetings and with {disfmarker} for every frame ,",
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"content": "You don't want to do it with that {disfmarker} Anything at frame - level you had better encode binary",
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"content": "or it 's gonna be really painful .",
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"content": "Or you just compre I mean , I like text formats . Um , b you can always , uh , G - zip them , and , um , you know , c decompress them on the fly if y if space is really a concern .",
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"content": "These are big files . These are really {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Right ? Because you have a two - gigabyte limit on most O Ss .",
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"content": "Right , OK . I would say {disfmarker} OK , so frame - level is probably not a good idea . But for phone - level stuff it 's perfectly {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Like phones , or syllables , or anything like that .",
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"content": "Phones are every five frames though , so . Or something like that .",
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"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but most of the frames are actually not speech . So , you know , people don't {disfmarker} v Look at it , words times the average {disfmarker} The average number of phones in an English word is , I don't know , {comment} five maybe ?",
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"content": "So I think it {disfmarker} it 's debatable whether you want to do phone - level in the same thing .",
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"content": "But I think , a anything at frame - level , even P - file , is too verbose .",
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"content": "I would use something tighter than P - files .",
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"content": "Do you {disfmarker} Are you familiar with it ?",
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"content": "I haven't seen this particular format ,",
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"content": "But , wait a minute , P - file for each frame is storing a vector of cepstral or PLP values ,",
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"content": "Um . Right ? And it has a header {disfmarker} it has a header format that {pause} describes it {pause} to some extent . So , the only problem with it is it 's actually storing the {pause} utterance numbers and the {pause} frame numbers in the file , even though they 're always sequential . And so it does waste a lot of space .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But it 's still a lot tighter than {disfmarker} than ASCII . And we have a lot of tools already to deal with it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You do ? OK . Is there some documentation on this somewhere ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's a ton of it . Man - pages and , uh , source code , and me .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , great . So , I mean , that sounds good . I {disfmarker} I was just looking for something {disfmarker} I 'm not a database person , but something sort of standard enough that , you know , if we start using this we can give it out , other people can work on it ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's not standard .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} {comment} Is it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's something that we developed at ICSI . But , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But it 's {pause} been used here",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it 's been used here",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and people 've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and , you know , we have a {pause} well - configured system that you can distribute for free , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it must be the equivalent of whatever you guys used to store feat your computed features in , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th we have {disfmarker} Actually , we {disfmarker} we use a generalization of the {disfmarker} the Sphere format .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , but {disfmarker} Yeah , so there is something like that but it 's , um , probably not as sophist",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , what does H T K do for features ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And I think there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or does it even have a concept of features ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "They ha it has its own {disfmarker} I mean , Entropic has their own feature format that 's called , like , S - SD or some so SF or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just wondering , would it be worth while to use that instead ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Th - this is exactly the kind of decision {disfmarker} It 's just whatever {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean , people don't typically share this kind of stuff , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They generate their own .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we 've done this stuff on prosodics and three or four places have asked for those prosodic files , and we just have an ASCII , uh , output of frame - by - frame .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ah , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Which is fine , but it gets unwieldy to go in and {disfmarker} and query these files with really huge files .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we could do it . I was just thinking if there 's something that {disfmarker} where all the frame values are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And a and again , if you have a {disfmarker} if you have a two - hour - long meeting , that 's gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? They 're {disfmarker} they 're fair they 're quite large .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , they 'd be emo enormous .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And these are for ten - minute Switchboard conversations ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So it 's doable , it 's just that you can only store a feature vector at frame - by - frame and it doesn't have any kind of ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is the sharing part of this a pretty important {pause} consideration",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or does that just sort of , uh {disfmarker} a nice thing to have ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know enough about what we 're gonna do with the data . But I thought it would be good to get something that we can {disfmarker} that other people can use or adopt for their own kinds of encoding . And just , I mean we have to use some we have to make some decision about what to do .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And especially for the prosody work , what {disfmarker} what it ends up being is you get features from the signal , and of course those change every time your alignments change . So you re - run a recognizer , you want to recompute your features , um , and then keep the database up to date .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or you change a word , or you change a {vocalsound} utterance boundary segment , which is gonna happen a lot . And so I wanted something where {pause} all of this can be done in a elegant way and that if somebody wants to try something or compute something else , that it can be done flexibly . Um , it doesn't have to be pretty , it just has to be , you know , easy to use , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the other thing {disfmarker} We should look at ATLAS , the NIST thing ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and see if they have anything at that level .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I 'm not sure what to do about this with ATLAS , because they chose a different route . I chose something that {disfmarker} Th - there are sort of two choices . Your {disfmarker} your file format can know about {disfmarker} know that you 're talking about language {pause} and speech , which is what I chose , and time , or your file format can just be a graph representation . And then the application has to impose the structure on top . So what it looked like ATLAS chose is , they chose the other way , which was their file format is just nodes and links , and you have to interpret what they mean yourself .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And why did you not choose that type of approach ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , because I knew that we were doing speech , and I thought it was better if you 're looking at a raw file to be {disfmarker} t for the tags to say \" it 's an utterance \" , as opposed to the tag to say \" it 's a link \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But other than that , are they compatible ? I mean , you could sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they 're reasonably compatible .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You could probably translate between them .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's w So ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , well , the other thing is if we choose to use ATLAS , which maybe we should just do , we should just throw this out before we invest a lot of time in it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . I don't {disfmarker} So this is what the meeting 's about ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "just sort of how to {disfmarker} Um , cuz we need to come up with a database like this just to do our work . And I actually don't care , as long as it 's something useful to other people , what we choose .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So maybe it 's {disfmarker} maybe oth you know , if {disfmarker} if you have any idea of how to choose , cuz I don't .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The only thing {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Do they already have tools ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I chose this for a couple reasons . One of them is that it 's easy to parse . You don't need a full XML parser . It 's very easy to just write a Perl script {pause} to parse it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "As long as uh each tag is on one line .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Exactly . Which I always do .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And you can have as much information in the tag as you want , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I have it structured . Right ? So each type tag has only particular items that it can take .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Can you {disfmarker} But you can add to those structures if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Sure . If you have more information . So what {disfmarker} What NIST would say is that instead of doing this , you would say something like \" link {nonvocalsound} start equals , um , you know , some node ID ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "end equals some other node ID \" , and then \" type \" would be \" utterance \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , so it 's very similar .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So why would it be a {disfmarker} a waste to do it this way if it 's similar enough that we can always translate it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It probably wouldn't be a waste . It would mean that at some point if we wanted to switch , we 'd just have to translate everything .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Write a translator . But it se Since they are developing a big {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} but that sounds {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But that 's {disfmarker} I don't think that 's a big deal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "As long as it is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "they 're developing a big infrastructure . And so it seems to me that if {disfmarker} if we want to use that , we might as well go directly to what they 're doing , rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "If we want to {disfmarker} Do they already have something that 's {disfmarker} that would be useful for us in place ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . See , that 's the question . I mean , how stable is their {disfmarker} Are they ready to go ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I looked at it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The last time I looked at it was a while ago , probably a year ago , uh , when we first started talking about this .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And at that time at least {vocalsound} it was still not very {pause} complete . And so , specifically they didn't have any external format representation at that time . They just had the sort of conceptual {pause} node {disfmarker} uh , annotated transcription graph , which I really liked . And that 's exactly what this stuff is based on . Since then , they 've developed their own external file format , which is , uh , you know , this sort of s this sort of thing . Um , and apparently they 've also developed a lot of tools , but I haven't looked at them . Maybe I should .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We should {disfmarker} we should find out .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , would the tools {disfmarker} would the tools run on something like this , if you can translate them anyway ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um , th what would {disfmarker} would {disfmarker} would {disfmarker} what would worry me is that maybe we might miss a little detail",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a hassle",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that {disfmarker} I guess it 's a question that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "that would make it very difficult to translate from one to the other .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think if it 's conceptually close , and they already have or will have tools that everybody else will be using , I mean , {vocalsound} it would be crazy to do something s you know , separate that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we might as well . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll take a closer look at it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , so it 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that would really be the question , is just what you would feel is in the long run the best thing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {vocalsound} once we start , sort of , doing this I don't {disfmarker} we don't actually have enough time to probably have to rehash it out again",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} Yep . The other thing {disfmarker} the other way that I sort of established this was as easy translation to and from the Transcriber format .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} s Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I like this . This is sort of intuitively easy to actually r read ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "as easy it could {disfmarker} as it could be . But , I suppose that {pause} as long as they have a type here that specifies \" utt \" , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's almost the same .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker} yeah , close enough that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the point is {disfmarker} with this , though , is that you can't really add any supplementary information . Right ? So if you suddenly decide that you want {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You have to make a different type .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You 'd have to make a different type .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Well , if you look at it and {disfmarker} Um , I guess in my mind I don't know enough {disfmarker} Jane would know better , {comment} about the {pause} types of annotations and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} But I imagine that those are things that would {disfmarker} well , you guys mentioned this , {comment} that could span any {disfmarker} it could be in its own channel , it could span time boundaries of any type ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "it could be instantaneous , things like that . Um , and then from the recognition side we have backtraces at the phone - level .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if it can handle that , it could handle states or whatever . And then at the prosody - level we have frame {disfmarker} sort of like cepstral feature files ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh , like these P - files or anything like that . And that 's sort of the world of things that I {disfmarker} And then we have the aligned channels , of course ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It seems to me you want to keep the frame - level stuff separate .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I definitely agree and I wanted to find actually a f a nicer format or a {disfmarker} maybe a more compact format than what we used before .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Just cuz you 've got {vocalsound} ten channels or whatever and two hours of a meeting . It 's {disfmarker} it 's a lot of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Huge .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Now {disfmarker} now how would you {disfmarker} how would you represent , um , multiple speakers in this framework ? Were {disfmarker} You would just represent them as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You would have like a speaker tag or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "there 's a spea speaker tag up at the top which identifies them and then each utt the way I had it is each turn or each utterance , {comment} I don't even remember now , had a speaker ID tag attached to it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And in this format you would have a different tag , which {disfmarker} which would , uh , be linked to the link . So {disfmarker} so somewhere else you would have another thing {pause} that would be ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} Let 's see , would it be a node or a link ? Um {disfmarker} And so {disfmarker} so this one would have , um , an ID is link {disfmarker} {comment} link seventy - four or something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then somewhere up here you would have a link that {disfmarker} that , uh , you know , was referencing L - seventy - four and had speaker Adam .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is i ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , or something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , it 's the channel , I think , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , channel or speaker or whatever .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , w yeah , channel is what the channelized output out",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This isn't quite right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I have to look at it again .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} so how in the NIST format do we express {vocalsound} a hierarchical relationship between , um , say , an utterance and the words within it ? So how do you {pause} tell {pause} that {pause} these are the words that belong to that utterance ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , you would have another structure lower down than this that would be saying they 're all belonging to this ID .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So each thing refers to the {pause} utterance that it belongs to .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . And then each utterance could refer to a turn ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's not hi it 's sort of bottom - up .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and each turn could refer to something higher up .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And what if you actually have {disfmarker} So right now what you have as utterance , um , the closest thing that comes out of the channelized is the stuff between the segment boundaries that the transcribers put in or that Thilo put in , which may or may not actually be , like , a s it 's usually not {disfmarker} um , the beginning and end of a sentence , say .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's why I didn't call it \" sentence \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , right . Um , so it 's like a segment or something .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , I assume this is possible , that if you have {disfmarker} someone annotates the punctuation or whatever when they transcribe , you can say , you know , from {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} from the c beginning of the sentence to the end of the sentence , from the annotations , this is a unit , even though it never actually {disfmarker} i It 's only a unit by virtue of the annotations {pause} at the word - level .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Sure . I mean , so you would {disfmarker} you would have yet another tag .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then that would get a tag somehow .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You 'd have another tag which says this is of type \" sentence \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And , what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But it 's just not overtly in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , cuz this is exactly the kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think that should be {pause} possible as long as the {disfmarker} But , uh , what I don't understand is where the {disfmarker} where in this type of file {pause} that would be expressed .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . You would have another tag somewhere . It 's {disfmarker} well , there 're two ways of doing it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S so it would just be floating before the sentence or floating after the sentence without a time - mark .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You could have some sort of link type {disfmarker} type equals \" sentence \" , and ID is \" S - whatever \" . And then lower down you could have an utterance . So the type is \" utterance \" {disfmarker} equals \" utt \" . And you could either say that {disfmarker} No . I don't know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So here 's the thing .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I take that back .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Can you {disfmarker} can you say that this is part of this ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "See , cuz it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hhh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You would just have a r",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or do you say this is part of this ? I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You would refer up to the sentence .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "they 're actually overlapping each other , sort of .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "the thing is that some something may be a part of one thing for one purpose and another thing of another purpose .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So f",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You have to have another type then , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "s Um , well , s let 's {disfmarker} let 's ta so let 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think I 'm {disfmarker} I think w I had better look at it again",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "y So for instance @ @ {comment} sup",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There 's one level {disfmarker} there 's one more level of indirection that I 'm forgetting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Suppose you have a word sequence and you have two different segmentations of that same word sequence . f Say , one segmentation is in terms of , um , you know , uh , sentences . And another segmentation is in terms of , um , {vocalsound} I don't know , {comment} prosodic phrases . And let 's say that they don't {pause} nest . So , you know , a prosodic phrase may cross two sentences or something .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if that 's true or not but {vocalsound} let 's as",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's definitely true with the segment .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I {disfmarker} exactly what I meant by the utterances versus the sentence could be sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , you want to be s you want to say this {disfmarker} this word is part of that sentence and this prosodic phrase .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But the phrase is not part of the sentence",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and neither is the sentence part of the phrase .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I I 'm pretty sure that you can do that , but I 'm forgetting the exact level of nesting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , you would have to have {vocalsound} two different pointers from the word up {disfmarker} one level up , one to the sent",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so what you would end up having is a tag saying \" here 's a word , and it starts here and it ends here \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then lower down you would say \" here 's a prosodic boundary and it has these words in it \" . And lower down you 'd have \" here 's a sentence ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "An - Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and it has these words in it \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So you would be able to go in and say , you know , \" give me all the words in the bound in the prosodic phrase",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and give me all the words in the {disfmarker} \" Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So I think that 's {disfmarker} that would wor",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Let me look at it again .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . The {disfmarker} the o the other issue that you had was , how do you actually efficiently extract , um {disfmarker} find and extract information in a structure of this type ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So you gave some examples like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , and , I mean , you guys might {disfmarker} I don't know if this is premature because I suppose once you get the representation you can do this , but the kinds of things I was worried about is ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's not clear .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , yeah , you c sure you can do it ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK . So i if it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but can you do it sort of l l you know , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I I mean , I can't do it , but I can {disfmarker} um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "y y you gotta {disfmarker} you gotta do this {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you 're gonna want to do this very quickly",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or else you 'll spend all your time sort of searching through very {vocalsound} complex data structures {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . You 'd need a p sort of a paradigm for how to do it . But an example would be \" find all the cases in which Adam started to talk while Andreas was talking and his pitch was rising , Andreas 's pitch \" . That kind of thing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , that 's gonna be {disfmarker} Is the rising pitch a {pause} feature , or is it gonna be in the same file ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , the rising pitch will never be {pause} hand - annotated . So the {disfmarker} all the prosodic features are going to be automatically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} I mean , that 's gonna be hard regardless ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So they 're gonna be in those {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ? Because you 're gonna have to write a program that goes through your feature file and looks for rising pitches .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Right . So normally what we would do is we would say \" what do we wanna assign rising pitch to ? \" Are we gonna assign it to words ? Are we gonna just assign it to sort of {disfmarker} when it 's rising we have a begin - end rise representation ? But suppose we dump out this file and we say , uh , for every word we just classify it as , w you know , rise or fall or neither ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , in that case you would add that to this {pause} format",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "r",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So we would basically be sort of , um , taking the format and enriching it with things that we wanna query in relation to the words that are already in the file ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and then querying it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You want sort of a grep that 's {disfmarker} that works at the structural {disfmarker} on the structural representation .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You have that . There 's a {pause} standard again in XML , specifically for searching XML documents {disfmarker} structured X - XML documents , where you can specify both the content and the structural position .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's not clear that that 's {disfmarker} That 's relative to the structure of the XML document ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "not to the structure of what you 're representing in the document .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You use it as a tool . You use it as a tool , not an end - user . It 's not an end - user thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} you would use that to build your tool to do that sort of search .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Be Because here you 're specifying a lattice .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So the underlying {disfmarker} that 's the underlying data structure . And you want to be able to search in that lattice .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But as long as the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a graph , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's different from searching through the text .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But it seems like as long as the features that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , no , no . The whole point is that the text and the lattice are isomorphic . They {pause} represent each other {pause} completely .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} I mean th",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true if the features from your acoustics or whatever that are not explicitly in this are at the level of these types .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hhh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that if you can do that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that 's gonna be the trouble no matter what . Right ? No matter what format you choose , you 're gonna have the trou you 're gonna have the difficulty of relating the {disfmarker} the frame - level features {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . That 's true . That 's why I was trying to figure out what 's the best format for this representation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And it 's still gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "it 's still gonna be , uh , not direct .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You know , it {disfmarker} Or another example was , you know , uh , where in the language {disfmarker} where in the word sequence are people interrupting ? So , I guess that one 's actually easier .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What about {disfmarker} what about , um , the idea of using a relational database to , uh , store the information from the XML ? So you would have {disfmarker} XML basically would {disfmarker} Uh , you {disfmarker} you could use the XML to put the data in , and then when you get data out , you put it back in XML . So use XML as sort of the {disfmarker} the transfer format ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Transfer .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh , but then you store the data in the database , which allows you to do all kinds of {pause} good search things in there .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The , uh {disfmarker} One of the things that ATLAS is doing is they 're trying to define an API which is independent of the back store ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so that , uh , you could define a single API and the {disfmarker} the storage could be flat XML files or a database .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "My opinion on that is for the s sort of stuff that we 're doing , {comment} I suspect it 's overkill to do a full relational database , that , um , just a flat file and , uh , search tools I bet will be enough .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But that 's the advantage of ATLAS , is that if we actually take {disfmarker} decide to go that route completely and we program to their API , then if we wanted to add a database later it would be pretty easy .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It seems like the kind of thing you 'd do if {disfmarker} I don't know , if people start adding all kinds of s bells and whistles to the data . And so that might be {disfmarker} I mean , it 'd be good for us to know {disfmarker} to use a format where we know we can easily , um , input that to some database if other people are using it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I guess I 'm just a little hesitant to try to go whole hog on sort of the {disfmarker} the whole framework that {disfmarker} that NIST is talking about , with ATLAS and a database and all that sort of stuff ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "cuz it 's a big learning curve , just to get going .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Whereas if we just do a flat file format , sure , it may not be as efficient but everyone can program in Perl and {disfmarker} and use it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , as opposed to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm still , um , {vocalsound} not convinced that you can do much at all on the text {disfmarker} on the flat file that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} you know , the text representation . e Because the text representation is gonna be , uh , not reflecting the structure of {disfmarker} of your words and annotations . It 's just {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , if it 's not representing it , then how do you recover it ? Of course it 's representing it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No . You {disfmarker} you have to {disfmarker} what you have to do is you have to basically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's the whole point .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah . You can use Perl to read it in and construct a internal representation that is essentially a lattice . But , the {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , that was a different point .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So what I was saying is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But that 's what you 'll have to do . Bec - be",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "For Perl {disfmarker} if you want to just do Perl . If you wanted to use the structured XML query language , that 's a different thing . And it 's a set of tools {vocalsound} that let you specify given the D - DDT {disfmarker} DTD of the document , um , what sorts of structural searches you want to do . So you want to say that , you know , you 're looking for , um , a tag within a tag within a particular tag that has this particular text in it , um , and , uh , refers to a particular value . And so the point isn't that an end - user , who is looking for a query like you specified , wouldn't program it in this language . What you would do is , someone would build a tool that used that as a library . So that they {disfmarker} so that you wouldn't have to construct the internal representations yourself .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is a {disfmarker} See , I think the kinds of questions , at least in the next {disfmarker} to the end of this year , are {disfmarker} there may be a lot of different ones , but they 'll all have a similar nature . They 'll be looking at either a word - level prosodic , uh , an {disfmarker} a value ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "like a continuous value , like the slope of something . But you know , we 'll do something where we {disfmarker} some kind of data reduction where the prosodic features are sort o uh , either at the word - level or at the segment - level ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} or something like that . They 're not gonna be at the phone - level and they 're no not gonna be at the frame - level when we get done with sort of giving them simpler shapes and things . And so the main thing is just being able {disfmarker} Well , I guess , the two goals . Um , one that Chuck mentioned is starting out with something that we don't have to start over , that we don't have to throw away if other people want to extend it for other kinds of questions ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and being able to at least get enough , uh , information out on {disfmarker} where we condition the location of features on information that 's in the kind of file that you {pause} put up there . And that would {disfmarker} that would do it ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that there are quick and dirty solutions ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , for me .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and then there are long - term , big - infrastructure solutions . And so {vocalsound} we want to try to pick something that lets us do a little bit of both .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "In the between , right . And especially that the representation doesn't have to be thrown away ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "even if your tools change .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so it seems to me that {disfmarker} I mean , I have to look at it again to see whether it can really do what we want , but if we use the ATLAS external file representation , um , it seems like it 's rich enough that you could do quick tools just as I said in Perl , and then later on if we choose to go up the learning curve , we can use the whole ATLAS inter infrastructure ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , that sounds good to me .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "which has all that built in .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} So if {disfmarker} if you would l look at that and let us know what you think .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think we 're sort of guinea pigs , cuz I {disfmarker} I want to get the prosody work done but I don't want to waste time , you know , getting the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I wouldn't wait for the formats , because anything you pick we 'll be able to translate to another form .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Ma well , maybe you should actually look at it yourself too to get a sense of what it is you 'll {disfmarker} you 'll be dealing with ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "because , um , you know , Adam might have one opinion but you might have another , so",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think the more eyes look at this the better .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Especially if there 's , e um {disfmarker} you know , if someone can help with at least the {disfmarker} the setup of the right {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hi , Jane .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , hi .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the right representation , then , i you know , I hope it won't {disfmarker} We don't actually need the whole full - blown thing to be ready ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Can you {disfmarker} Oh , well .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so . Um , so maybe if you guys can look at it and sort of see what ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} I think we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 're actually just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We 're about done .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "wrapping up , but , um {disfmarker} Yeah , sorry , it 's a uh short meeting , but , um {disfmarker} Well , I don't know . Is there anything else , like {disfmarker} I mean that helps me a lot ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think the other thing we might want to look at is alternatives to P - file .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , th the reason I like P - file is I 'm already familiar with it , we have expertise here , and so if we pick something else , there 's the learning - curve problem . But , I mean , it is just something we developed at ICSI .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is there an {disfmarker} is there an IP - API ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There 's an API for it . And , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "There used to be a problem that they get too large ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "a bunch of libraries , P - file utilities .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and so {pause} basically the {disfmarker} uh the filesystem wouldn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's gonna be a problem no matter what . You have the two - gigabyte limit on the filesystem size . And we definitely hit that with Broadcast News .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you could extend the API to , uh , support , uh , like splitting up , you know , conceptually one file into smaller files on disk so that you can essentially , you know , have arbitrarily long f",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Most of the tools can handle that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that we didn't do it at the API - level . We did it at the t tool - level . That {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} most {disfmarker} many of them can s you can specify several P - files and they 'll just be done sequentially .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , I guess , yeah , if {disfmarker} if you and Don can {disfmarker} if you can show him the P - file stuff and see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So this would be like for the F - zero {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you do \" man P - file \" or \" apropos P - file \" , you 'll see a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 've used the P - file , I think . I 've looked at it at least , briefly , I think when we were doing s something .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What does the P stand for anyway ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , in there .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I didn't de I didn't develop it . You know , it was {disfmarker} I think it was Dave Johnson . So it 's all part of the Quicknet library . It has all the utilities for it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , P - files were around way before Quicknet . P - files were {disfmarker} were around when {disfmarker} w with , um , {vocalsound} RAP .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , were they ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's like the history of ICSI .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You worked with P - files .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I worked with P - files .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember what the \" P \" is , though .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But there are ni they 're {disfmarker} The {pause} Quicknet library has a bunch of things in it to handle P - files ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so it works pretty well .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that isn't really , I guess , as important as the {disfmarker} the main {disfmarker} I don't know what you call it , the {disfmarker} the main sort of word - level {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Neither do I .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Probably stands for \" Phil \" . Phil Kohn .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a Phil file ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's my guess .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Huh . OK . Well , that 's really useful . I mean , this is exactly the kind of thing that I wanted to settle . Um , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 've been meaning to look at the ATLAS stuff again anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , just keep {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess it 's also sort of a political deci I mean , if {disfmarker} if you feel like that 's a community that would be good to tie into anyway , then it 's {disfmarker} sounds like it 's worth doing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think it {disfmarker} it w",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "j I think there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , w uh , as I said , I {disfmarker} what I did with this stuff {disfmarker} I based it on theirs . It 's just they hadn't actually come up with an external format yet . So now that they have come up with a format , it doesn't {disfmarker} it seems pretty reasonable to use it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But let me look at it again .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , great .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "As I said , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we actually can start {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There 's one level {disfmarker} there 's one more level of indirection and I 'm just blanking on exactly how it works . I gotta look at it again .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we can start with , um , I guess , this input from Dave 's , which you had printed out , the channelized input . Cuz he has all of the channels , you know , with the channels in the tag and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 've seen it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So that would be i directly ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Easy {disfmarker} easy to map .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} Yeah . And so then it would just be a matter of getting {disfmarker} making sure to handle the annotations that are , you know , not at the word - level and , um , t to import the",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Where are those annotations coming from ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , right now , I g Jane would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Are you talking about the overlap a annotations ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , any kind of annotation {pause} that , like , isn't already there . Uh , you know , anything you can envision .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So what I was imagining was {disfmarker} um , so Dave says we can have unlimited numbers of green ribbons . And so put , uh , a {disfmarker} a green ribbon on for an overlap code . And since we w we {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's important to remain flexible regarding the time bins for now . And so it 's nice to have {disfmarker} However , you know , you want to have it , uh , time time uh , located in the discourse . So , um , if we {disfmarker} if we tie the overlap code to the first word in the overlap , then you 'll have a time - marking . It won't {disfmarker} it 'll be independent of the time bins , however these e evolve , shrink , or whatever , increase , or {disfmarker} Also , you could have different time bins for different purposes . And having it tied to the first word in an overlap segment is unique , uh , you know , anchored , clear . And it would just end up on a separate ribbon .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So the overlap coding is gonna be easy with respect to that . You look puzzled .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} I don't quite understand what these things are .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What , the codes themselves ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , th overlap codes .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure what that @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It probably doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we don't have to go into the codes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it doesn't .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , I d",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We don't have to go into the codes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that {disfmarker} not for the topic of this meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But let me just {disfmarker} No . W the idea is just to have a separate green ribbon , you know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and let 's say that this is a time bin . There 's a word here . This is the first word of an overlapping segment of any length , overlapping with any other , uh , word {disfmarker} uh , i segment of any length . And , um , then you can indicate that this here was perhaps a ch a backchannel , or you can say that it was , um , a usurping of the turn , or you can {disfmarker} you know , any {disfmarker} any number of categories . But the fact is , you have it time - tagged in a way that 's independent of the , uh , sp particular time bin that the word ends up in . If it 's a large unit or a small unit , or",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "we sh change the boundaries of the units , it 's still unique and {disfmarker} and , uh , fits with the format ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "flexible , all that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , it would be nice {disfmarker} um , eh , gr this is sort of r regarding {disfmarker} uh , uh it 's related but not directly germane to the topic of discussion , but , when it comes to annotations , um , you often find yourself in the situation where you have {pause} different annotations {pause} of the same , say , word sequence . OK ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And sometimes the word sequences even differ slightly because they were edited s at one place but not the other .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , once this data gets out there , some people might start annotating this for , I don't know , dialogue acts or , um , you know , topics or what the heck . You know , there 's a zillion things that people might annotate this for . And the only thing that is really sort of common among all the versi the various versions of this data is the word sequence , or approximately .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Or the time .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Or the times . But , see , if you 'd annotate dialogue acts , you don't necessarily want to {disfmarker} or topics {disfmarker} you don't really want to be dealing with time - marks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You 'd {disfmarker} it 's much more efficient for them to just see the word sequence , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , most people aren't as sophisticated as {disfmarker} as we are here with , you know , uh , time alignments and stuff . So {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the point is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Should {disfmarker} should we mention some names on the people who are n ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , um , the p my point is that {pause} you 're gonna end up with , uh , word sequences that are differently annotated . And {pause} you want some tool , uh , that is able to sort of merge these different annotations back into a single , uh , version . OK ? Um , and we had this problem very massively , uh , at SRI when we worked , uh , a while back on , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} well , on dialogue acts as well as , uh , you know , um , what was it ? uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , all the Switchboard in it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "utterance types . There 's , uh , automatic , uh , punctuation and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Because we had one set of {pause} annotations that were based on , uh , one version of the transcripts with a particular segmentation , and then we had another version that was based on , uh , a different s slightly edited version of the transcripts with a different segmentation . So , {vocalsound} we had these two different versions which were {disfmarker} you know , you could tell they were from the same source but they weren't identical . So it was extremely hard {vocalsound} to reliably merge these two back together to correlate the information from the different annotations .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . I {disfmarker} I don't see any way that file formats are gonna help us with that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's all a question of semantic .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No . But once you have a file format , I can imagine writing {disfmarker} not personally , but someone writing a tool that is essentially an alignment tool , um , that mediates between various versions ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} uh , sort of like th uh , you know , you have this thing in UNIX where you have , uh , diff .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Diff .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "W - diff or diff .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There 's the , uh , diff that actually tries to reconcile different {disfmarker} two diffs f {comment} based on the same original .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is it S - diff ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Something like that , um , but operating on these lattices that are really what 's behind this {disfmarker} uh , this annotation format .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There 's actually a diff library you can use {pause} to do things like that that {disfmarker} so you have different formats .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You could definitely do that with the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So somewhere in the API you would like to have like a merge or some {disfmarker} some function that merges two {disfmarker} two versions .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think it 's gonna be very hard . Any sort of structured anything when you try to merge is really , really hard",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because you ha i The hard part isn't the file format . The hard part is specifying what you mean by \" merge \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's very difficult .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But the one thing that would work here actually for i that is more reliable than the utterances is the {disfmarker} the speaker ons and offs . So if you have a good ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But this is exactly what I mean , is that {disfmarker} that the problem i",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} Yeah . You just have to know wha what to tie it to .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . The problem is saying \" what are the semantics ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "what do you mean by \" merge \" ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So {disfmarker} so just to let you know what we {disfmarker} where we kluged it by , uh , doing {disfmarker} uh , by doing {disfmarker} Hhh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Both were based on words , so , bo we have two versions of the same words intersp you know , sprinkled with {disfmarker} with different tags for annotations .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you did diff .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And we did diff . Exactly !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's just what I thought .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And that 's how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's just wh how I would have done it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , you know , it had lots of errors and things would end up in the wrong order , and so forth . Uh , so , um , if you had a more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it {disfmarker} it was a kluge because it was basically reducing everything to {disfmarker} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , uh , to textual alignment .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "A textual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , d isn't that something where whoever {disfmarker} if {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if the people who are making changes , say in the transcripts , cuz this all happened when the transcripts were different {disfmarker} ye um , if they tie it to something , like if they tied it to the acoustic segment {disfmarker} if they {disfmarker} You know what I mean ? Then {disfmarker} Or if they tied it to an acoustic segment and we had the time - marks , that would help .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But the problem is exactly as Adam said , that you get , you know , y you don't have that information or it 's lost in the merge somehow ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , can I ask one question ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it seems to me that , um , we will have o an official version of the corpus , which will be only one {disfmarker} one version in terms of the words {disfmarker} where the words are concerned . We 'd still have the {disfmarker} the merging issue maybe if coding were done independently of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And you 're gonna get that",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "because if the data gets out , people will do all kinds of things to it . And , uh , s you know , several years from now you might want to look into , um , the prosody of referring expressions . And someone at the university of who knows where has annotated the referring expressions . So you want to get that annotation and bring it back in line with your data .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But unfortunately they 've also hand - edited it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But they 've also {disfmarker} Exactly . And so that 's exactly what we should {disfmarker} somehow when you distribute the data , say that {disfmarker} you know , that {disfmarker} have some way of knowing how to merge it back in and asking people to try to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , then the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What 's {disfmarker} what 's wrong with {pause} doing times ? I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I agree . That was what I was wondering .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , time is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Time is unique . You were saying that you didn't think we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Time is passing !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Time {disfmarker} time {disfmarker} times are ephemeral .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Andreas was saying {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "what if they haven't notated with them , times ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . He {disfmarker} he 's a language modeling person , though .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so imagine {disfmarker} I think his {disfmarker} his example is a good one . Imagine that this person who developed the corpus of the referring expressions didn't include time .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He included references to words .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ach !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He said that at this word is when {disfmarker} when it happened .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Or she .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or she .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But then couldn't you just indirectly figure out the time {pause} tied to the word ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But still they {disfmarker} Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Sure . But what if {disfmarker} what if they change the words ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker} Well , but you 'd have some anchoring point . He couldn't have changed all the words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But can they change the words without changing the time of the word ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Sure . But they could have changed it a little . The {disfmarker} the point is , that {disfmarker} that they may have annotated it off a word transcript that isn't the same as our word transcript , so how do you merge it back in ? I understand what you 're saying .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I guess the answer is , um , it 's gonna be different every time . It 's j it 's just gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I it 's exactly what I said before ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You only know the boundaries of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "which is that \" what do you mean by \" merge \" ? \" So in this case where you have the words and you don't have the times , well , what do you mean by \" merge \" ? If you tell me what you mean , I can write a program to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . You can merge at the level of the representation that the other person preserved and that 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . And that 's about all you can do .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And beyond that , all you know is {disfmarker} is relative ordering and sometimes even that is wrong .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so in {disfmarker} so in this one you would have to do a best match between the word sequences ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "extract the times f from the best match of theirs to yours , and use that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then infer that their time - marks are somewhere in between .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it could be that they just {disfmarker} uh , I mean , it could be that they chunked {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they lost certain utterances and all that stuff ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , exactly . So it could get very , very ugly .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Definitely . Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess , w I {disfmarker} I didn't want to keep people too long and Adam wanted t people {disfmarker} I 'll read the digits . If anyone else offers to , that 'd be great . And",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ah , well .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "if not , I guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "For th for the {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} for the benefit of science we 'll read the digits .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "More digits , the better . OK , this is",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Thanks {disfmarker} thanks a lot . It 's really helpful . I mean , Adam and Don {nonvocalsound} will sort of meet and I think that 's great . Very useful . Go next .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Scratch that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "O three",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
}
] |
Bed004
|
Academic
|
[
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"39",
"127"
]
],
"topic": "Details about setting up the wizard and recruiting participants"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"140",
"186"
]
],
"topic": "Trajector - landmark and source - path - goal modifications to the Bayes net"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"187",
"256"
]
],
"topic": "Controlling size of combinatorial input"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"261",
"349"
]
],
"topic": "Generalizing schema to extract properties for different Bayes nets"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team began the meeting by discussing the logistics of setting up the interface for data collection. Some members ran a trial of it earlier and found someone who would make a suitable wizard. The team shared concern about how they would recruit non-university student participants. Grad D introduced the team to the second iteration of the bayes-net model and its schemas. Then, the discussion moved onto controlling the size of the bayes-net as it would otherwise be based on too much information. The team ended the meeting by delving into how the method of creating a Bayes-net in different scenarios could itself be abstracted, i.e. narrowing the input and output factors and the intermediate representation.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team listened to a recording of the interface's trial run. Litonya was asked to be the first subject of the interface and Fey acted as the wizard. The team was happy with Fey's performance and decided to hire her. Upon Fey's suggestion, they also decided that the wizard should be introduced in a more appropriate fashion. The team also agreed that the run was too long at 5 minutes.",
"query": "Summarize the details about setting up the wizard and recruiting participants",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"39",
"127"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad C was concerned that the same person acting as the wizard and computer system might not be the best idea. Grad D had some way of making the wizard and computer seem distinct even though both were voiced by the same person and told Grad C that the recording would clarify things.",
"query": "What did Grad D and Grad C discuss about who was acting as the computer and wizard?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"44",
"51"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The Professor was very supportive of the idea of hiring Fey. He thought that it would be helpful since she was also willing to take over the task of organizing subjects. In addition, he believed the project would provide her with a valuable learning experience for her own upcoming graduate school work in experimental paradigms.",
"query": "What did the Professor think about hiring Fey?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"95",
"115"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team was concerned that the combinatorial input that would result from the various linguistic and contextual schemas would be enormous for the Bayes net. The Professor suggested that it's best to narrow down the decision variables, perhaps by studying the trade-offs between different input factors. The team thought that perhaps they could keep the kinds of objects in the environment to a small subset and make rules governing actions around those objects.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about controlling size of combinatorial input",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"187",
"256"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The professor was the one to raise the issue and suggested that a knowledge engineering trick could be used to narrow down inputs. He thought that perhaps adding deterministic rules to properties that have actions would be helpful and the property types could be retrieved from the ontology.",
"query": "What did the Professor think about controlling the size of the combinatorial input?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"187",
"201"
],
[
"227",
"239"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad D thought that the best way would be to add restrictive action types that are attached to the kind of object. For instance, there are specific actions that would be relevant to a landmark.",
"query": "What did Grad D think about managing the size of the combinatorial input?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"220",
"224"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "Hey , you 're not supposed to be drinking in here dude .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Do we have to read them that slowly ? OK . Sounded like a robot . Um , this is t",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "When you read the numbers it kind of reminded me of beat poetry .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I tried to go for the EE Cummings sort of feeling , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Three three six zero zero . Four two zero zero one seven . That 's what I think of when I think of beat poetry .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Beat poetry .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You ever seen \" So I married an axe murderer \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh parts of it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There 's a part wh there 's parts when he 's doing beat poetry .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And he talks like that . That 's why I thi That uh probably is why I think of it that way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . No , I didn't see that movie . Who did {disfmarker} who made that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mike Meyers is the guy .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It - it 's his uh {disfmarker} it 's his cute romantic comedy . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That 's his cute romantic comedy , yeah . The other thing that 's real funny , I 'll spoil it for you . is when he 's {disfmarker} he works in a coffee shop , in San Francisco , and uh he 's sitting there on this couch and they bring him this massive cup of espresso , and he 's like \" excuse me I ordered the large espresso ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . We 're having , {vocalsound} a tiramisu tasting contest this weekend .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wait {disfmarker} do are y So you 're trying to decide who 's the best taster of tiramisu ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No ? Um . There was a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a fierce argument that broke out over whose tiramisu might be the best and so we decided to have a contest where those people who claim to make good tiramisu make them ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and then we got a panel of impartial judges that will taste {disfmarker} do a blind taste {vocalsound} and then vote .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Should be fun .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Seems like {disfmarker} Seems like you could put a s magic special ingredient in , so that everyone know which one was yours . Then , if you were to bribe them , you could uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , I was thinking if um {disfmarker} y you guys have plans for Sunday ? We 're {disfmarker} we 're not {disfmarker} it 's probably going to be this Sunday , but um we 're sort of working with the weather here because we also want to combine it with some barbecue activity where we just fire it up and what {disfmarker} whoever brings whatever you know , can throw it on there . So only the tiramisu is free , nothing else .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm going back to visit my parents this weekend , so , I 'll be out of town .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you 're going to the west Bay then ? No ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , the South Bay ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "south Bay ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "South Bay .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I should be free , so .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , I 'll let you know .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We are . Is Nancy s uh gonna show up ? Mmm . Wonder if these things ever emit a very , like , piercing screech right in your ear ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They are gonna get more comfortable headsets . They already ordered them . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's get started . The uh {disfmarker} Should I go first , with the uh , um , data . Can I have the remote {vocalsound} control . Thank you . OK . So . On Friday we had our wizard test data test and um {vocalsound} these are some of the results . This was the introduction . I actually uh , even though Liz was uh kind enough to offer to be the first subject , I sort of felt that she knew too much , so I asked uh Litonya . just on the spur of the moment , and she was uh kind enough to uh serve as the first subject .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , this is what she saw as part of {disfmarker} as uh for instr introduction , this is what she had to read {pause} aloud . Uh , that was really difficult for her and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Because of l all the names , you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The names and um this was the uh first three tasks she had to {disfmarker} to master after she called the system , and um then of course the system broke down , and those were the l uh uh I should say the system was supposed to break down and then um these were the remaining three tasks that she was going to solve , with a human {disfmarker} Um . There are {disfmarker} here are uh the results . Mmm . And I will not {disfmarker} We will skip the reading now . D Um . And um . The reading was five minutes , exactly . And now comes the {disfmarker} This is the phone - in phase of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wait , can I {disfmarker} I have a question . So . So there 's no system , right ? Like , there was a wizard for both uh {disfmarker} both parts , is this right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It was bo it both times the same person .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "One time , pretending to be a system , one time , to {disfmarker} pretending to be a human , which is actually not pretending .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . And she didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean . Well . Isn't this kind of obvious when it says \" OK now you 're talking to a human \" and then the human has the same voice ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No no no . We u Wait . OK , good question , but uh you {disfmarker} you just wait and see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} You 're gonna l learn . And um the wizard sometimes will not be audible , Because she was actually {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} there was some uh lapse in the um wireless , we have to move her closer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Is she mispronouncing \" Anlage \" ? Is it \" Anlaga \" or \" Anlunga \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They 're mispronouncing everything ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it 's {disfmarker} This is the system breaking down , actually . \" Did I call Europe ? \" So , this is it . Well , if we {disfmarker} we um",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , are {disfmarker} are you trying to record this meeting ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There was a strange reflex . I have a headache . I 'm really sort of out of it . OK , the uh lessons learned . The reading needs to be shorter . Five minutes is just too long . Um , that was already anticipated by some people suggested that if we just have bullets here , they 're gonna not {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} subjects are probably not gonna {disfmarker} going to follow the order . And uh she did not .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "She {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's surprising .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "She {disfmarker} she jumped around quite a bit .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "S so if you just number them \" one \" , \" two \" , \" three \" it 's",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and make it sort of clear in the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . We need to {disfmarker} So that 's one thing . And we need a better introduction for the wizard . That is something that Fey actually thought of a {disfmarker} in the last second that sh the system should introduce itself , when it 's called .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . True .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And um , um , another suggestion , by Liz , was that we uh , through subjects , switch the tasks . So when {disfmarker} when they have task - one with the computer , the next person should have task - one with a human , and so forth .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we get nice um data for that . Um , we have to refine the tasks more and more , which of course we haven't done at all , so far , in order to avoid this rephrasing , so where , even though w we don't tell the person \" ask {pause} blah - blah - blah - blah - blah \" they still try , or at least Litonya tried to um repeat as much of that text as possible .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Say exactly what 's on there ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And uh my suggestion is of course we {disfmarker} we keep the wizard , because I think she did a wonderful job ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "in the sense that she responded quite nicely to things that were not asked for , \" How much is a t a bus ticket and a transfer \" so this is gonna happen all the time , we d you can never be sure .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Johno pointed out that uh we have maybe a grammatical gender problem there with wizard .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't sure whether wizard was the correct term for {pause} uh \" not a man \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's no female equivalent of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Are you sure ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Not that I know of .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , there is witch and warlock ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's so @ @ .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's what I was thinking , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And um {disfmarker} So , some {disfmarker} some work needs to be done , but I think we can uh {disfmarker} And this , and {disfmarker} in case no {disfmarker} you hadn't seen it , this is what Litonya looked at during the uh {disfmarker} um while taking the {disfmarker} while partaking in the data collection .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , great . So {pause} first of all , I agree that um we should hire Fey , and start paying her . Probably pay for the time she 's put in as well . Um , do you know exactly how to do that , or is uh Lila {disfmarker} I mean , you know what exactly do we do to {disfmarker} to put her on the payroll in some way ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm completely clueless , but I 'm willing to learn .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , you 'll have to . Right . So anyway , um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "N",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So why don't you uh ask Lila and see what she says about you know exactly what we do for someone in th",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Student - type worker ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah she 's un she 's not a {disfmarker} a student ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "she just graduated but anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So i if {disfmarker} Yeah , I agree , she sounded fine , she a actually was {pause} uh , more uh , present and stuff than {disfmarker} than she was in conversation , so she did a better job than I would have guessed from just talking to her .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So I think that 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is sort of what I gave her , so this is for example h how to get to the student prison ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I didn't even spell it out here and in some cases I {disfmarker} I spelled it out a little bit um more thoroughly ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "this is the information on {disfmarker} on the low sunken castle , and the amphitheater that never came up , and um , so i if we give her even more um , instruments to work with I think the results are gonna be even better .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , and then of course as she does it she 'll {disfmarker} she 'll learn @ @ . So that 's great . Um {pause} And also if she 's willing to take on the job of organizing all those subjects and stuff that would be wonderful .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh she 's {disfmarker} actually she 's going to graduate school in a kind of an experimental paradigm , so I think this is all just fine in terms of h her learning things she 's gonna need to know uh , to do her career .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , I {disfmarker} my guess is she 'll be r r quite happy to take on that job . And , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah she {disfmarker} she didn't explicitly state that so .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And um I told her that we gonna um figure out a meeting time in the near future to refine the tasks and s look for the potential sources to find people . She also agrees that you know if it 's all just gonna be students the data is gonna be less valuable because of that so .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , as I say there is this s set of people next door , it 's not hard to",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We 're already {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "However , we may run into a problem with a reading task there . And um , we 'll see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We could talk to the people who run it and um see if they have a way that they could easily uh tell people that there 's a task , pays ten bucks or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but um you have to be comfortable reading relatively complicated stuff . And {disfmarker} and there 'll probably be self - selection to some extent .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so that 's good . Um . Now , {pause} I signed us up for the Wednesday slot , and part of what we should do is this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , my idea on that was {pause} uh , partly we 'll talk about system stuff for the computer scientists , but partly I did want it to get the linguists involved in some of this issue about what the task is and all {disfmarker} um you know , what the dialogue is , and what 's going on linguistically , because to the extent that we can get them contributing , that will be good . So this issue about you know re - formulating things ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "maybe we can get some of the linguists sufficiently interested that they 'll help us with it , uh , other linguists , if you 're a linguist , but in any case ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "um , the linguistics students and stuff . So my idea on {disfmarker} on Wednesday is partly to uh {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} I mean , what you did today would {disfmarker} i is just fine . You just uh do \" this is what we did , and here 's the {pause} thing , and here 's s some of the dialogue and {disfmarker} and so forth . \" But then , the other thing of course is we should um give the computer scientists some idea of {disfmarker} of what 's going on with the system design , and where we think the belief - nets fit in and where the pieces are and stuff like that . Is {disfmarker} is this {pause} make sense to everybody ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I don't {disfmarker} I don't think it 's worth a lot of work , particularly on your part , to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to make a big presentation . I don't think you should {disfmarker} you don't have to make any new {pause} uh PowerPoint or anything . I think we got plenty of stuff to talk about . And , then um just see how a discussion goes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Sounds good . The uh other two things is um we 've {disfmarker} can have Johno tell us a little about this",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and we also have a l little bit on the interface , M - three - L enhancement , and then um that was it , I think .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , what I did for this {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} uh , a pedagogical belief - net because I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I took {disfmarker} I tried to conceptually do what you were talking about with the nodes that you could expand out {disfmarker} so what I did was I took {disfmarker} I made these dummy nodes called Trajector - In and Trajector - Out that would isolate the things related to the trajector .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then there were the things with the source and the path and the goal .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And I separated them out . And then I um did similar things for our {disfmarker} our net to {disfmarker} uh with the context and the discourse and whatnot , um , so we could sort of isolate them or whatever in terms of the {disfmarker} the top layer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then the bottom layer is just the Mode . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} Yeah , I don't understand it . Let 's go {disfmarker} Slide all the way up so we see what the p the p very bottom looks like , or is that it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's just one more node and it says \" Mode \" which is the decision between the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , great . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So basically all I did was I took the last {pause} belief - net",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I grouped things according to what {disfmarker} how I thought they would fit in to uh image schemas that would be related . And the two that I came up with were Trajector - landmark and then Source - path - goal as initial ones .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then I said well , uh the trajector would be the person in this case probably .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , you know , we have {disfmarker} we have the concept of what their intention was , whether they were trying to tour or do business or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or they were hurried . That 's kind of related to that . And then um in terms of the source , the things {disfmarker} uh the only things that we had on there I believe were whether {disfmarker} Oh actually , I kind of , {disfmarker} I might have added these cuz I don't think we talked too much about the source in the old one but uh whether the {disfmarker} where I 'm currently at is a landmark might have a bearing on whether {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "or the \" landmark - iness \" of where I 'm currently at . And \" usefulness \" is basi basically means is that an institutional facility like a town hall or something like that that 's not {disfmarker} something that you 'd visit for tourist 's {disfmarker} tourism 's sake or whatever . \" Travel constraints \" would be something like you know , maybe they said they can {disfmarker} they only wanna take a bus or something like that , right ? And then those are somewhat related to the path ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so that would determine whether we 'd {disfmarker} could take {disfmarker} we would be telling them to go to the bus stop or versus walking there directly . Um , \" Goal \" . Similar things as the source except they also added whether the entity was closed and whether they have somehow marked that is was the final destination . Um , and then if you go up , Robert , Yeah , so {disfmarker} um , in terms of Context , what we had currently said was whether they were a businessman or a tourist of some other person . Um , Discourse was related to whether they had asked about open hours or whether they asked about where the entrance was or the admission fee , or something along those lines .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Prosody I don't really {disfmarker} I 'm not really sure what prosody means , in this context , so I just made up you know whether {disfmarker} whether what they say is {disfmarker} or h how they say it is {disfmarker} is that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , the Parse would be what verb they chose , and then maybe how they modified it , in the sense of whether they said \" I need to get there quickly \" or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And um , in terms of World Knowledge , this would just basically be like opening and closing times of things , the time of day it is , and whatnot .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What 's \" tourbook \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Tourbook ? That would be , I don't know , the \" landmark - iness \" of things ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "whether it 's in the tourbook or not .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ch - ch - ch - ch . Now . Alright , so I understand what 's {disfmarker} what you got . I don't yet understand {pause} how you would use it . So let me see if I can ask",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is not a working Bayes - net .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "a s Right . No , I understand that , but {disfmarker} but um So , what {disfmarker} Let 's slide back up again and see {disfmarker} start at the {disfmarker} at the bottom and Oop - bo - doop - boop - boop . Yeah . So , you could imagine w Uh , go ahead , you were about to go up there and point to something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well I {disfmarker} OK , I just {disfmarker} Say what you were gonna say .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good , do it !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No no , go do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} No , I was gonna wait until {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So , so if you {disfmarker} if we made {disfmarker} if we wanted to make it into a {disfmarker} a real uh Bayes - net , that is , you know , with fill {disfmarker} you know , actually f uh , fill it @ @ in , then uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we 'd have to get rid of this and connect these things directly to the Mode .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't {disfmarker} That 's an issue . So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I don't understand how it would work otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , here 's the problem . And {disfmarker} and uh {disfmarker} Bhaskara and I was talking about this a little earlier today {disfmarker} is , if we just do this , we could wind up with a huge uh , combinatoric input to the Mode thing . And uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well I {disfmarker} oh yeah , I unders I understand that , I just {disfmarker} uh it 's hard for me to imagine how he could get around that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , i But that 's what we have to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so , so , uh . There {disfmarker} there are a variety of ways of doing it . Uh . Let me just mention something that I don't want to pursue today which is there are technical ways of doing it , uh I I slipped a paper to Bhaskara and {disfmarker} about Noisy - OR 's and Noisy - MAXes and there 're ways to uh sort of back off on the purity of your Bayes - net - edness .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so . If you co you could ima and I now I don't know that any of those actually apply in this case , but there is some technology you could try to apply .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's possible that we could do something like a summary node of some sort that {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And , um So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So in that case , the sum we 'd have {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} I mean , these wouldn't be the summary nodes . We 'd have the summary nodes like where the things were {disfmarker} I guess maybe if thi if things were related to business or some other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So what I was gonna say is {disfmarker} is maybe a good at this point is to try to informally {disfmarker} I mean , not necessarily in th in this meeting , but to try to informally think about what the decision variables are . So , if you have some bottom line uh decision about which mode , you know , what are the most relevant things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the other trick , which is not a technical trick , it 's kind of a knowledge engineering trick , is to make the n {pause} each node sufficiently narrow that you don't get this combinatorics . So that if you decided that you could characterize the decision as a trade - off between three factors , whatever they may be , OK ? then you could say \" Aha , let 's have these three factors \" , OK ? and maybe a binary version f for each , or some relatively compact decision node just above the final one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then the question would be if {disfmarker} if those are the things that you care about , uh can you make a relatively compact way of getting from the various inputs to the things you care about . So that y so that , you know , you can sort of try to do a knowledge engineering thing",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "given that we 're not gonna screw with the technology and just always use uh sort of orthodox Bayes - nets , then we have a knowledge engineering little problem of how do we do that . Um and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what I kind of need to do is to take this one and the old one and merge them together ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "\" Eh - eh - eh . \" Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , mmm , something . I mean , so uh , Robert has thought about this problem f for a long time , cuz he 's had these examples kicking around , so he may have some good intuition about you know , what are the crucial things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and , um , I understand where this {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker} this is a way of playing with this abs Source - path - goal trajector exp uh uh abstraction and {disfmarker} and sort of sh displaying it in a particular way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't think our friends uh on Wednesday are going to be able to {disfmarker} Well , maybe they will . Well , let me think about whether {disfmarker} whether I think we can present this to them or not . Um , Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think this is still , I mean , ad - hoc . This is sort of th the second {vocalsound} version and I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} look at this maybe just as a , you know , a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} whatever , UML diagram or , you know , as just a uh screen shot , not really as a Bayes - net as John {disfmarker} Johno said .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We could actually , y yeah draw it in a different way , in the sense that it would make it more abstract .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But the uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the nice thing is that you know , it just is a {disfmarker} is a visual aid for thinking about these things which has comple clearly have to be specified m more carefully",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Alright , well , le let me think about this some more ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and uh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and uh see if we can find a way to present this to this linguists group that {disfmarker} that is helpful to them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , ultimately we {disfmarker} we may w w we regard this as sort of an exercise in {disfmarker} in thinking about the problem and maybe a first version of uh a module , if you wanna call it that , that you can ask , that you can give input and it it 'll uh throw the dice for you , uh throw the die for you , because um I integrated this into the existing SmartKom system in {disfmarker} in the same way as much the same way we can um sort of have this uh {disfmarker} this thing . Close this down . So if this is what M - three - L um will look like and what it 'll give us , um {disfmarker} And a very simple thing . We have an action that he wants to go from somewhere , which is some type of object , to someplace .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this {disfmarker} these uh {disfmarker} this changed now only um , um {disfmarker} It 's doing it twice now because it already did it once . Um , we 'll add some action type , which in this case is \" Approach \" and could be , you know , more refined uh in many ways .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or we can uh have something where the uh goal is a public place and it will give us then of course an action type of the type \" Enter \" . So this is just based on this one {disfmarker} um , on this one feature , and that 's {disfmarker} that 's about all you can do . And so in the f if this pla if the object type um here is {disfmarker} is a m is a landmark , of course it 'll be um \" Vista \" . And um this is about as much as we can do if we don't w if we want to avoid uh uh a huge combinatorial explosion where we specify \" OK , if it 's this and this but that is not the case \" , and so forth , it just gets really really messy .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , I 'm sorry . You 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It was much too quick for me . OK , so let me see if I understand what you 're saying . So , I {disfmarker} I do understand that uh you can take the M - three - L and add not {disfmarker} and it w and you need to do this , for sure , we have to add , you know , not too much about um object types and stuff , and what I think you did is add some rules of the style that are already there that say \" If it 's of type \" Landmark \" , then you take {disfmarker} you 're gonna take a picture of it . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "F full stop , I mean , that 's what you do . Ev - every landmark you take a picture of ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Every public place you enter , and statue you want to go as near as possible .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "you enter {disfmarker} You approach . OK . Uh , and certainly you can add rules like that to the existing SmartKom system . And you just did , right ? OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And it {disfmarker} it would do us no good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} Ultimately .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well . So , s well , and let 's think about this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , that 's a {disfmarker} that 's another kind of baseline case , that 's another sort of thing \" OK , here 's a {disfmarker} another kind of minimal uh way of tackling this \" . Add extra properties , a deterministic rule for every property you have an action , \" pppt ! \" You do that . Um , then the question would be Uh Now , if that 's all you 're doing , then you can get the types from the ontology , OK ? because that 's all {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} all you 're using is this type {disfmarker} the types in the ontology and you 're done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So we don't {disfmarker} we don't use the discourse , we don't use the context , we don't do any of those things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Alright , but that 's {disfmarker} but that 's OK , and I mean it it 's again a kind of one minimal extension of the existing things . And that 's something the uh SmartKom people themselves would {disfmarker} they 'd say \" Sure , that 's no problem {disfmarker} you know , no problem to add types to the ont \" Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No . And this is {disfmarker} just in order to exemplify what {disfmarker} what we can do very , very easily is , um we have this {disfmarker} this silly uh interface and we have the rules that are as banal as of we just saw , and we have our content .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Now , the content {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} whi which is sort of what {disfmarker} what we see here , which is sort of the Vista , Schema , Source , Path , Goal , whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This will um be um a job to find ways of writing down Image schema , X - schema , constructions , in some {disfmarker} some form , and have this be in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} in the content , loosely called \" Constructicon \" . And the rules we want to throw away completely . And um {disfmarker} and here is exactly where what 's gonna be replaced with our Bayes - net , which is exactly getting the input feeding into here . This decides whether it 's an whether action {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the Enter , the Vista , or the whatever",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , \" approach \" , you called it , I think this time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh Approach um construction should be activated , IE just pasted in .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what you said {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's fine . Yeah , but {disfmarker} Right . But it 's not construction there , it 's action . Construction is a d is a different story .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . This is uh {disfmarker} so what we 'd be generating would be a reference to a semantic uh like parameters for the {disfmarker} for the X - schema ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that {disfmarker} that uh i if you had the generalized \" Go \" X - schema and you wanted to specialize it to these three ones , then you would have to supply the parameters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then uh , although we haven't worried about this yet , you might wanna worry about something that would go to the GIS and use that to actually get you know , detailed route planning . So , you know , where do you do take a picture of it and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But that 's not {disfmarker} It 's not the immediate problem .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , presumably that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that functionality 's there when {disfmarker} when we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So the immediate problem is just deciding w which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Aspects of the X - schema to add .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the pro The immediate problem is {disfmarker} is back t t to what you were {disfmarker} what you are doing with the belief - net .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , uh what are we going to use to make this decision {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right and then , once we 've made the decision , how do we put that into the content ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Right . Well , that {disfmarker} that actually is relatively easy in this case .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The harder problem is we decide what we want to use , how are we gonna get it ? And that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} that 's the hardest problem . So , the hardest problem is how are you going to get this information from some combination of the {disfmarker} what the person says and the context and the ontology . The h So , I think that 's the hardest problem at the moment is {disfmarker} is",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "where are you gonna {disfmarker} how are you gonna g get this information . Um , and that 's {disfmarker} so , getting back to here , uh , we have a d a technical problem with the belief - nets that we {disfmarker} we don't want all the com",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's just too many factors right now .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "too many factors if we {disfmarker} if we allow them to just go combinatorially .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So we wanna think about which ones we really care about and what they really most depend on , and can we c you know , clean this {disfmarker} this up to the point where it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what we really wanna do i cuz this is really just the three layer net , we wanna b make it {disfmarker} expand it out into more layers basically ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . We might . Uh , I mean that {disfmarker} that 's certainly one thing we can do . Uh , it 's true that the way you have this , a lot of the times you have {disfmarker} what you 're having is the values rather than the variable . So uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So instead of in instead it should really be {disfmarker} just be \" intention \" as a node instead of \" intention business \" or \" intention tour \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK ? So you {disfmarker} Yeah , right , and then it would have values , uh , \" Tour \" , \" Business \" , or uh \" Hurried \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But then {disfmarker} but i it still some knowledge design to do , about i how do you wanna break this up , what really matters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's fine . You know , we have to {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's iterative . We 're gonna have to work with it some .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think what was going through my mind when I did it was someone could both have a business intention and a touring intention and the probabilities of both of them happening at the same time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you {disfmarker} you could do that . And it 's perfectly OK {pause} to uh insist that {disfmarker} that , you know , th um , they add up to one , but that there 's uh {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that it doesn't have to be one zero zero .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So you could have the conditional p So the {disfmarker} each of these things is gonna be a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a probability . So whenever there 's a choice , uh {disfmarker} so like landmark - ness and usefulness ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , see I don't think those would be mutually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it seems like something could both be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And so that you might want to then have those b Th - Then they may have to be separate . They may not be able to be values of the same variable .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Object type , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} but again , this is {disfmarker} this is the sort of knowledge design you have to go through . Right . It 's {disfmarker} you know , it 's great {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is , you know , as one step toward uh {disfmarker} toward where we wanna go .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Also it strikes me that we {disfmarker} we m may want to approach the point where we can sort of try to find a {disfmarker} uh , a specification for some interface , here that um takes the normal M - three - L , looks at it . Then we discussed in our pre - edu {disfmarker} EDU meeting um how to ask the ontology , what to ask the ontology um the fact that we can pretend we have one , make a dummy until we get the real one , and so um we {disfmarker} we may wanna decide we can do this from here , but we also could do it um you know if we have a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a belief - net interface . So the belief - net takes as input , a vector , right ? of stuff . And it {disfmarker} Yeah . And um it Output is whatever , as well . But this information is just M - three - L , and then we want to look up some more stuff in the ontology and we want to look up some more stuff in the {disfmarker} maybe we want to ask the real world , maybe you want to look something up in the GRS , but also we definitely want to look up in the dialogue history um some s some stuff . Based on we {disfmarker} we have uh {disfmarker} I was just made some examples from the ontology and so we have for example some information there that the town hall is both a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a building and it has doors and stuff like this , but it is also an institution , so it has a mayor and so forth and so forth and we get relations out of it and once we have them , we can use that information to look in the dialogue history , \" were any of these things that {disfmarker} that are part of the town hall as an institution mentioned ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" were any of these that make the town hall a building mentioned ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and so forth , and maybe draw some inferences on that . So this may be a {disfmarker} a sort of a process of two to three steps before we get our vector , that we feed into the belief - net ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that 's {disfmarker} I think that 's exactly right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There will be rules , but they aren't rules that come to final decisions , they 're rules that gather information for a decision process . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "no I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's just fine . Uh , yeah . So they 'll {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} presumably there 'll be a thread or process or something that \" Agent \" , yeah , \" Agent \" , whatever you wan wanna say , yeah , that uh is rule - driven , and can {disfmarker} can uh {disfmarker} can do things like that . And um there 's an issue about whether there will be {disfmarker} that 'll be the same agent and the one that then goes off and uh carries out the decision , so it probably will . My guess is it 'll be the same basic agent that um can go off and get information , run it through a {disfmarker} a c this belief - net that {disfmarker} turn a crank in the belief - net , that 'll come out with s uh more {disfmarker} another vector , OK , which can then be uh applied at what we would call the simulation or action end . So you now know what you 're gonna do and that may actually involve getting more information . So on once you pull that out , it could be that that says \" Ah ! Now that we know that we gonna go ask the ontology something else . \" OK ? Now that we know that it 's a bus trip , OK ? we didn't {disfmarker} We didn't need to know beforehand , uh how long the bus trip takes or whatever , but {disfmarker} but now that we know that 's the way it 's coming out then we gotta go find out more .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So I think that 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So this is actually , s if {disfmarker} if we were to build something that is um , and , uh , I had one more thing , the {disfmarker} it needs to do {disfmarker} Yeah . I think we {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can come up with a {disfmarker} a code for a module that we call the \" cognitive dispatcher \" , which does nothing ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but it looks of complect object trees and decides how {disfmarker} are there parts missing that need to be filled out , there 's {disfmarker} this is maybe something that this module can do , something that this module can do and then collect uh sub - objects and then recombine them and put them together . So maybe this is actually some {disfmarker} some useful tool that we can use to rewrite it , and uh get this part ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "then . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I confess , I 'm still not completely comfortable with the overall story . Um . I i This {disfmarker} this is not a complaint , this is a promise to do more work . So I 'm gonna hafta think about it some more . Um . In particular {disfmarker} see what we 'd like to do , and {disfmarker} and this has been implicit in the discussion , is to do this in such a way that you get a lot of re - use . So . What you 're trying to get out of this deep co cognitive linguistics is the fact that w if you know about source {disfmarker} source , paths and goals , and nnn {comment} all this sort of stuff , that a lot of this is the same , for different tasks . And that {disfmarker} uh there 's {disfmarker} there 's some {disfmarker} some important generalities that you 're getting , so that you don't take each and every one of these tasks and hafta re - do it . And I don't yet see how that goes . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 're no primitives upon which {pause} uh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "u u What are the primitives , and how do you break this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So I y I 'm just {disfmarker} just there saying eee {comment} well you {disfmarker} I know how to do any individual case , right ? but I don't yet {disfmarker} see what 's the really interesting question is can you use uh deep uh cognitive linguistics to {pause} get powerful generalizations . And",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we sho should we a add then the \" what 's this ? \" domain ? N I mean , we have to \" how do I get to X \" . Then we also have the \" what 's this ? \" domain , where we get some slightly different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Could . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um Johno , actually , does not allow us to call them \" intentions \" anymore .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So he {disfmarker} he dislikes the term .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I don't like the term either , so I have n i uh i i y w i i It uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But um , I 'm sure the \" what 's this ? \" questions also create some interesting X - schema aspects .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Could be . I 'm not a {disfmarker} I 'm not op particularly opposed to adding that or any other task ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , eventually we 're gonna want a whole range of them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just saying that I 'm gonna hafta do some sort of first principles thinking about this . I just at the moment don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "H No . Well , no the Bayes {disfmarker} the Bayes - nets {disfmarker} The Bayes - nets will be dec specific for each decision . But what I 'd like to be able to do is to have the way that you extract properties , that will go into different Bayes - nets , be the {disfmarker} uh general . So that if you have sources , you have trajectors and stuff like that , and there 's a language for talking about trajectors , you shouldn't have to do that differently for uh uh going to something , than for circling it , for uh telling someone else how to go there ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Getting out of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "whatever it is . So that {disfmarker} that , the {disfmarker} the decision processes are gonna be different What you 'd really like of course is the same thing you 'd always like which is that you have um a kind of intermediate representation which looks the same o over a bunch of inputs and a bunch of outputs . So all sorts of different tasks {pause} and all sorts of different ways of expressing them use a lot of the same mechanism for pulling out what are the fundamental things going on . And that 's {disfmarker} that would be the really pretty result . And pushing it one step further , when you get to construction grammar and stuff , what you 'd like to be able to do is say you have this parser which is much fancier than the parser that comes with uh SmartKom , i that {disfmarker} that actually uses constructions and is able to tell from this construction that there 's uh something about the intent {disfmarker} you know , the actual what people wanna do or what they 're referring to and stuff , in independent of whether it {disfmarker} about {disfmarker} what is this or where is it or something , that you could tell from the construction , you could pull out deep semantic information which you 're gonna use in a general way . So that 's the {disfmarker} You might . You might . You might be able to {disfmarker} to uh say that this i this is the kind of construction in which the {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} Let 's say there 's a uh cont there {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the land the construction implies the there 's a con this thing is being viewed as a container . OK . So just from this local construction you know that you 're gonna hafta treat it as a container you might as well go off and get that information . And that may effect the way you process everything else . So if you say \" how do I get into the castle \" OK , then um {disfmarker} Or , you know , \" what is there in the castle \" or {disfmarker} so there 's all sorts of things you might ask that involve the castle as a container and you 'd like to have this orthogonal so that anytime the castle 's referred to as a container , you crank up the appropriate stuff . Independent of what the goal is , and independent of what the surrounding language is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so that 's {disfmarker} that 's the {disfmarker} that 's the thesis level",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's unfortunate also that English has sort of got rid of most of its spatial adverbs because they 're really fancy then , in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} for these kinds of analysis . But uh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , you have prepositional phrases that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but they 're {disfmarker} they 're easier for parsers .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Parsers can pick those up but {disfmarker} but the {disfmarker} with the spatial adverbs , they have a tough time . Because the {disfmarker} mean the semantics are very complex in that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK , yeah ? I had one more {pause} thing . I don't remember . I just forgot it again . No . Oh yeah , b But an architecture like this would also enable us maybe to {disfmarker} to throw this away and {disfmarker} and replace it with something else , or whatever , so that we have {disfmarker} so that this is sort of the representational formats we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're talking about that are independent of the problem , that generalize over those problems , and are oh , t of a higher quality than an any actual whatever um belief - net , or \" X \" that we may use for the decision making , ultimately . Should be decoupled , yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , are we gonna be meeting here from now on ? I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm happy to do that . We {disfmarker} we had talked about it , cuz you have th th the display and everything , that seems fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um , Liz also asks whether we 're gonna have presentations every time . I don't think we will need to do that but it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so far I think it was nice as a visual aid for some things and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . No I {disfmarker} I think it 's worth it to ass to meet here to bring this , and assume that something may come up that we wanna look at .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean . Why not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And um . Yeah , that was my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "She was good . Litonya was good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? The uh {disfmarker} um , she w she was definitely good in the sense that she {disfmarker} she showed us some of the weaknesses",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and um also the um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the fact that she was a real subject you know , is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} yeah and {disfmarker} and she took it seriously and stuff l No , it was great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So I think that um {disfmarker} I mean , w Looking {disfmarker} just looking at this data , listening to it , what can we get out of it in terms of our problem , for example , is , you know , she actually m said {disfmarker} you know , she never s just spoke about entering , she just wanted to get someplace , and she said for buying stuff . Nuh ? So this is definitely interesting , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , and in the other case , where she wanted to look at the stuff at the graffiti , also , of course , not in the sentence \" How do you get there ? \" was pretty standard . Nuh ? except that there was a nice anaphora , you know , for pointing at what she talked about before , and there she was talking about looking at pictures that are painted inside a wall on walls , so",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , you 'd need a lot of world knowledge . This would have been a classical um uh \" Tango \" , actually . Um , because graffiti is usually found on the outside and not on the inside ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but OK . So the mistake {comment} would have make a mistake {disfmarker} the system would have made a mistake here .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Click ? Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
}
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"answer": "The meeting discussed various topics such as data collection and updates on the German parser. They discussed XML modifications and future thoughts on the ontology. Additionally, object representations will include an EVA vector. This can be incorporated in the database entry for a particular building or inherited from the ontology of the building type. The actual number of the inputs can create a combinatorial explosion when setting the probabilities. In any case, further to fulfilling the basic requirements (translating the parser and the generator into english), the project is entirely open-ended in terms of focus of research.",
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"answer": "The actual number of the inputs in the Bayes-net can create a combinatorial explosion when setting the probabilities. Noisy-OR's can help avoid this by simplifying the probability tables and applying a deterministic function to produce their complete version.",
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"answer": "As the data collection is about to begin, there are some minor changes to be done in the design of the experiment, the script and the permission forms. Subjects can be recruited either from within the university or through other social circles.",
"query": "What was said about data collection?",
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"answer": "The team wanted the data participants to minimize their contact with their data. They wanted them to sign a waiver first not to view the transcript by default only allowing them to view it.",
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"content": "Yeah , I think I got my mike on . OK . Let 's see .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Ami , do yours then we 'll open it and I think it 'll be enough .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm {disfmarker} Doesn't , uh {disfmarker} It should be the other way . Yeah , now it 's on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , we all switched on ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We are all switched on , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Anyway . So , uh , before we get started with the , uh , technical part , I just want to review what I think is happening with the {disfmarker} our data collection .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We are all switched on .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , probably after today , {vocalsound} that shouldn't come up in this meeting . Th - this {disfmarker} this is s should be im it isn't {disfmarker} There 's another thing going on of gathering data , and that 's pretty much independent of this . But , uh , I just want to make sure we 're all together on this . What we think is gonna happen is that , uh , in parallel starting about now {vocalsound} we 're gonna get Fey {vocalsound} to , where you 're working with me and Robert , draft a note that we 're gonna send out to various CogSci c and other classes saying , \" here 's an opportunity to be a subject . Contact Fey . \" And then there 'll be a certain number of um , hours during the week which she will be available and we 'll bring in people . Uh , roughly how many , Robert ? We d Do we know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , fifty was our {disfmarker} sort of our first {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by any means all students but we 'll s we 'll start with {disfmarker} with that . In parallel with that , we 're gonna need to actually do the script . And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meeting Friday afternoon Uh , with {disfmarker} uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the script worked out . But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K , {vocalsound} is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week . The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybe we 'll look for them {disfmarker} some subjects next door",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {pause} i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Also , Fey will not be here during spring break .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK , then we won't do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So that 's easy . Um . So , is {disfmarker} Is that make sense to everybody ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Also , um , F {vocalsound} both Fey and I will , um , {vocalsound} do something of which I may , eh {disfmarker} kindly ask you to {disfmarker} to do the same thing , which is we gonna check out our social infrastructures for possible subjects . Meaning , {vocalsound} um , kid children 's gymnastic classes , pre - school parents and so forth . They also sometimes have flexible schedules . So , if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you know people who may be interested in being subjects {disfmarker} We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers , maybe , and get them interested in stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um . So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . The high school 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So . But I {disfmarker} I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the \" write - up \" note , send it to you and Fey and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um , Are we {disfmarker} Have we concurred that , uh , these {disfmarker} these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , th I think they 're necessary . This {disfmarker} The permission form .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , there has to be one ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Nuh . N .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and I think we 're just gonna use it as it is , and {pause} Um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "N . You happy with that ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . There 's one tricky part about , um , they have the right um I The last paragraph {comment} \" if you agree to participate you have the opportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not to have included in the data set . \" OK ? Now that , we had to be included for this other one which might have , uh , meetings , you know , about something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "In this case , it doesn't really make sense . Um , so what I 'd like to do is also have our subjects sign a waiver saying \" I don't want to see the final transcript \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And if they don't {disfmarker} If they say \" no , I 'm not willing to sign that \" , then we 'll show them the final transcript . But , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Makes sense .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That , uh {disfmarker} yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane may say that , \" you know , you can't do this \" , uh , \" on the same form , we need a separate form . \" But anyway . I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh {disfmarker} a thing for them to initial , saying \" nah , do I don't want to see the final transcript . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know . And so forth . So I think we just go with it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . OK . So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now . They 're gonna {vocalsound} transcribe . They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas . So . They 're {disfmarker} they all seem to be happy now , {vocalsound} with that . So . w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well I guess the good {disfmarker} good news of last week was the parser . So , um Bhaskara and I started working on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the parser . Then Bhaskara went to class and once he came back , um , {vocalsound} it was finished . So . It , uh {disfmarker} I didn't measure it , but it was about an hour and ten minutes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} and now it 's {disfmarker} We have a complete English parser that does everything the German parser does .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Which is {vocalsound} not a lot . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's the , uh , point .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} uh , that 's not a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What did you end up having to do ? I mean , wha Was there anything {pause} interesting about it at all ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We 'll show you .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can show us ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or are we gonna see that ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , w w We d The first we did is we {disfmarker} we tried to {disfmarker} to do {disfmarker} change the {disfmarker} the \" laufen \" into \" run \" , {vocalsound} or \" running \" , {vocalsound} or \" runs \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we noticed that whatever we tried to do , it no effect .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And we were puzzled .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , the reason was that the parser i c completely ignores the verb .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So this sentence {disfmarker} sentence is {disfmarker} parses the p the same output ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Interesting parser property .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um , even if you leave out , um , all {disfmarker} all of this .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's basically feature film and TV .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Today",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's what you need .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if you 'd add {disfmarker} add Today and Evening , it 'll add Time or not .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} t and the time , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} i it does look at that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But all the rest is p simply frosting on the cake , and it 's optional for that parser .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , you can sho You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} Are {disfmarker} are you gonna show us the little templates ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We ar we can sh er {disfmarker} I can show you the templates . I {disfmarker} I also have it running here ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The former end g \" Oh , I see . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so if I {vocalsound} do this now , um , {vocalsound} you can see that it parsed the wonderful English sentence , \" Which films are on the cinema today {pause} evening ? \" But , um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , that sounds {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh do don't worry about it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It could be \" this evening , which {disfmarker} which films are on the cinema \" , or \" running in the cinema , which {disfmarker} \" uh , \" today evening \" , uh i \" Is anything happening in the cinema this evening ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Key words , e basically .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ge - elaborate , or , more or less , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , it 's a little tricky , in that there 's some allowable German orders which aren't allowable English orders and so forth . And it is order - based . So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So it {disfmarker} it doe I it {disfmarker} These {disfmarker} u these optional elements ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It is not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker} it 's actually a set , not a sequence ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We were {disfmarker} I was afraid that , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it really is key word matching , basically .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Really a se",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "e yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I mean , these sentences are just silly .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , uh , d these were not the ones we {disfmarker} we actually did it . Um . What 's an idiomatic of phrasing this ? Which films are {pause} showing ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Are pl playing at the cinema ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "playing ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Tonight ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I changed that file , actually , where it 's on my account .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} this evening ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Actually , you would say , \" which films are on tonight ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You want to get it ? Or {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} di was it easy to get it ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um . I have no net here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Do I ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So . Wonderful parse , same thing . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Except that we d w we don't have this , uh , time information here now , which is , um {disfmarker} Oh . This {disfmarker} are the reserve . Anyways . {vocalsound} So . Um . These are the {disfmarker} sort of the ten different sentence types that the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the parser was able to do . And it still is , now in English .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} Sorry . And , um you have already to make it a little bit more elaborate , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean I changed those sentences to make it , uh , more , uh , idiomatic . And , of course , you can have i many variations in those sentences , they will still parse fine . So , in a sense it 's pretty broad .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , if you want to look at the templates , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} they 're conveniently located in a file , \" template \" . Um , and this is what I had to do . I had to change , @ @ {comment} \" Spielfilm \" to \" film \" , uh , \" Film \" to \" movie \" , cinem \" Kino \" to \" cinema \" {disfmarker} to \" today \" {disfmarker} heu \" heute \" to \" today \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "evening {disfmarker} \" Abend \" to \" evening \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Capitalized as well",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Y i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "One thing I was wondering , was , those functions there , are those things that modify the M - three - L basically ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's {disfmarker} that 's the next step ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "p",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but we 'll get to that in a second .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so this means , um , \" this \" and \" see \" are not optional . \" Want I like \" is all maybe in there , but may also not be in there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , the point is , if it says \" this \" and \" see \" , it also will work in \" see \" and \" this \" ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "In the other order ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "with those two key words ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Should we try it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" This is the one I want to see \" or whatever .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . \" Action watch \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "whatever . Nothing was specialfi specified . except that it has some references to audio - visual media here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "AV medium .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Where it gets that from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's correct , but I don't know where it gets it from .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" See \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , \" see \" . Yeah . Yeah . Yep . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And \" see this \" {comment} is exactly the same thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so it is set - based . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "One thing I was wondering was , {vocalsound} those percentage signs , right ? So , I mean , why do we even have them ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} if you didn't have them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'll tell you why . Because it gives a {disfmarker} you a score .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And the value of the score is , v I assume , I guess , the more of these optional things that are actually in there , the higher the r score {vocalsound} it is .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK . So that 's the main purpose . Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a match .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} we shouldn't belittle it too much . It 's doing something , some things , and it 's very flexible . I 've just tried to",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "be nice .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , no . Fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , flexible it is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . {vocalsound} Um , let 's hope that the generation will not be more difficult , even though the generator is a little bit more complex . Uh but we 'll {disfmarker} Mmm , that means we may need two hours and twenty minutes rather than an hour ten minutes ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I hope .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And the next thing I would like to be able to do , and it seems like this would not be too difficult either , is {vocalsound} to say , \" OK let 's now pretend we actually wanted to not only change the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the mapping of {disfmarker} of , uh , words to the M - three - L but we also wanted to change {disfmarker} add a new sentence type and and make up some {disfmarker} some new M - three - L {disfmarker} s \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So That 'd be great . It would be a good exercise to just see {vocalsound} whether one can get that to run .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "See th Mm - hmm . {vocalsound} Yep . And , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} shouldn't be too tough .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Fine , yeah . Yeah , so where are those {disfmarker} those functions \" Action \" , \" Goodbye \" , and so on , right ? Are they actually , um , {vocalsound} Are they going to be called ? Um , are they present in the code for the parser ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think what it does , it i i it does something sort of fancy . It loads um {disfmarker} It has these style sheets and also the , um , schemata . So what it probably does , is it takes the , uh , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} Is this where it is ? This is already the XML stuff ? This is where it takes its own , um , syntax , and converts it somehow . Um . Where is the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What are you looking for ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , where it actually produces the {disfmarker} the XML out of the , uh , parsed {pause} stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , this is not it . Uh . I can't find it now . You mean , where the {disfmarker} where the act how the action \" Goodbye \" maps into something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , where are those constructors defined ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Nope .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's not it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is sort of what happens . This is what you would need to {disfmarker} to change {disfmarker} to get the , uh , XML changed . So when it encounts encounters \" Day \" , {vocalsound} it will , uh , activate those h classes in the {disfmarker} in the XML stuff But , um {disfmarker} I saw those actions {disfmarker} uh , the \" Goodbye \" stuff somewhere . Hmm , hmm , hmm , hmm , hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Grep for it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Let 's do that . Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . M - three - L dot DTD ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's just a {pause} specification for the XML format .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Well , we 'll find that out . So whatever {disfmarker} n this does {disfmarker} I mean this is , basically , looks l to me like a function call , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} So , whenever it {disfmarker} it encounters \" Goodbye \" , which we can make it do in a second , here",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That function automatically generates an initialized XML structure ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think each of those functions act on the current XML structure , and change it in some way , for example , by adding a {disfmarker} a l a field to it , or something .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "y Yeah . They also seem to affect state ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "cause some of them {disfmarker} there were other actions uh , that {disfmarker} that s seemed to step {disfmarker} state variables somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "like the n s \" Discourse Status Confirm \" . OK . So that 's going to be a call on the discourse",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} confirm that it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "W we Mm - hmm",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you mean that 's not going to actually modify the tree ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "e",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but it 's going to change the event .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's actually {disfmarker} That looks like it 's state modification .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "e mmm Um , well i There is a feature called \" Discourse - Status \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "When there 's a feature .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so whenever I just say , \" Write \" , it will {disfmarker} it will put this in here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so it always just {disfmarker} Is it {disfmarker} So it {disfmarker} Well , go back , then , cuz it may be that all those th things , while they look like function calls , are just a way of adding exactly that to the XML .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "h Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh ! I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "e I 'm not sure {disfmarker} e that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} well , we {disfmarker} we 'll see , when we say , let 's test something , \" Goodbye \" , causes it to c to create basically an \" Action Goodbye - End - Action \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Which is a means of telling the system to shut down .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Now , if we know that \" Write \" produces a \" Feature Discourse - Status Confirm Discourse - Status \" . So if I now say \" Write , Goodbye , \" it should do that . It sho it creates this ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" Confirm Goodbye \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right there . But there is some kind of function call , because how does it know to put Goodbye in Content , but , uh , Confirm in Features ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . It d it {disfmarker} n That 's because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So So , it 's not just that it 's adding that field .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . Good point .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} It 's under what sub - type you 're doing it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's mystery functions .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , sometimes it m Sometimes , i",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , they 're defined somewhere , presumably .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , each is {disfmarker} S so that 's funny .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "When it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You bury the s the state in the function Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it just automatically initializes things that are common , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just a shorthand .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "For example {disfmarker} Oh , this is German . Sorry . e So , now , this , it cannot do anymore . Nothing comes out of here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "A \" not a number \" is a value . Awesome .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , it doesn't speak German anymore , but it does speak English . And there is , here , a reference {disfmarker} So , this tells us that whatever is {disfmarker} has the ID \" zero \" is referenced here {disfmarker} by @ @ {comment} the restriction seed and this is exa \" I want {disfmarker} \" What was the sentence ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" I want two seats here . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" need two seats here . \" Nuh . \" And where is it playing ? \" There should also be a reference to something , maybe . Our d This is re um Mmm . Here , we change {disfmarker} and so , we {disfmarker} Here we add something to the Discourse - Status , that the user wants to change something that was sort of done before And , uh {disfmarker} and that , whatever is being changed has something to do with the cinema .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So then , whatever takes this M - three - L is what actually changes the state , not the {disfmarker} Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , right , the Discourse Maintainer ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I see . And it {disfmarker} and it runs around looking for Discourse Status tags , and doing whatever it does with them . And other people ignore those tags . Alright . So , yeah . I definitely think it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It 's worth the exercise of trying to actually add something that isn't there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh Disc",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sort of get a complete understanding of the whole thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a kid understanding what 's going on . Then the next thing we talked about is actually , {vocalsound} um , figuring out how to add our own tags , and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Point number two . I got the , uh , M - three - L for the routes today . Uh , so I got some more . This is sort of the uh , {vocalsound} um , Hmm . Interesting . It 's just going up , it 's not going back down . So , this is {disfmarker} um , what I got today is {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the new {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} M - three - L for um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} the Maps ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh , and with some examples {disfmarker} So , this is the XML and this is sort of what it will look like later on , even though it {disfmarker} you can't see it on {disfmarker} on this resolution . And this is what it {disfmarker} sort of is the {disfmarker} the structure of Map requests , um also not very interesting , and here is the more interesting stuff for us , is the routes , route elements , and , again , as we thought it 's really simple . This is sort of the , uh , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} parameters . We have @ @ {comment} simple \" from objects \" and \" to objects \" and so forth , points of interest along the way {disfmarker} And , um , I asked them whether or not we could , um {disfmarker} First of all , I was little bit {disfmarker} It seemed to me that this m way of doing it is sort of a stack a step backwards from the way we 've done it before . t It seems to me that some notions were missing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So these are {disfmarker} these are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So these are {disfmarker} these are your friends back at EML .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Who are doing this .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So this is not a complicated negotiation . There 's {disfmarker} there 's not seven committees , or anything , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . No , this is very straightforward .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Great . So this is just trying to {disfmarker} It 's a design thing , not a political thing . Once we 've {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker} We can just sort of agree on what oughta be done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . And , um {disfmarker} And , uh {disfmarker} However , the , uh {disfmarker} e So that you understand , it is really simple . Uh {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you have a route , and you cut it up in different pieces . And every {disfmarker} every element of that e r r f of that {disfmarker} Every segment we call a \" route element \" . And so , from A to B we cut up in three different steps , and every step has a \" from object \" where you start , a \" to object \" where y where {pause} you sort of end , and some points of interest along the way . What w I was sort of missing here , and uh , maybe it was just me being too stupid , is , {vocalsound} I didn't sort of get the {disfmarker} the notion of the global goal of the whole route . Really , s was not straightforward visibly for me . And some other stuff . And I {vocalsound} suggested that they should n be {disfmarker} k uh , kind enough to do s two things for us , is one , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Also allocating , uh , some tags for our Action Schema Enter - Vista - Approach , and {disfmarker} And also , um , since you had suggested that {disfmarker} that , um , we figure out if we ever , for a demo reason , wanted to shortcut directly to the g GIS and the Planner , of how we can do it . Now , what 's the state of the art of getting to entrances , um , what 's the syntax for that , how get getting to {vocalsound} vista points and calculating those on the spot . And the Approach mode , anyhow , is the default . That 's all they do it these days . Wherever you 'll find a route planner it n does nothing but get to the closest point where the street network is {vocalsound} at minimal distance to the geometric center .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": " So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , well , let {disfmarker} Now , this is important . Let , uh {disfmarker} I want a a Again , outside of m almost managerial point , um {disfmarker} You 're in the midst of this , so you know better . But it seems to me it 's probably a good idea to li uh {disfmarker} minimize the number of uh , change requests we make of them . So it seemed to me , what we ought to do is get our story together . OK ? And think about it some , internally , before asking them to make changes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Does this {disfmarker} does this make sense to you guys ? It {disfmarker} I mean you 're {disfmarker} you 're doing the {disfmarker} the interaction but it seemed to me that {vocalsound} what we ought to do is come up with a {disfmarker} uh , something where you , um {disfmarker} And I {disfmarker} I don't know who 's mok working most closely on it . Probably Johno . OK . Uh , take what they have , send it to everybody saying \" this is what they have , this is what we think we should add \" , OK ? and then have a d a {disfmarker} an iteration within our group saying \" Hmm , well {disfmarker} \" OK ? And get our best idea of what we should add .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then go back to them . Is i or , I don't know does this make sense to you ? Or",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Especially if we want {disfmarker} Sort of , what I {disfmarker} my feeling was eh we {disfmarker} we sort of reserved something that has a r eh an OK label . That 's {disfmarker} th that was my th first sort of step .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I w No matter how we want to call it , {vocalsound} this is sort of our playground .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And if we get something in there that is a structure elaborate and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and complex enough to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to maybe enable a whole simulation , one of these days , that would be {disfmarker} u the {disfmarker} the perfect goal .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's right . So . So , Yeah . The problem isn't the short ra range optimization . It 's the sort of {disfmarker} o one or two year kind of thing . OK . What are the thl class of things we think we might try to do in a year or two ? How {disfmarker} how would we try to characterize those and what do we want to request now {vocalsound} that 's leave enough space to do all that stuff ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And that re that requires some thought .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} so that sounds like a great thing to do {vocalsound} as the priority item um , as soon as we can do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So y so you guys will {vocalsound} send to the rest of us um {pause} {vocalsound} a version of um , this , and {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} uh , description {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "With sugge yeah , suggested improvements and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well b Yeah . So , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Not everyone uh , reads German , so if you 'd um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "tu uh , tur change the description to , uh , English",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and , um , Then {disfmarker} then , yeah . Then , with some sug s suggestions about where {disfmarker} where do we go from here ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this {disfmarker} and this , of course , was just the {vocalsound} {vocalsound} action end . Uh , at some point we 're going to have to worry about the language end . But for the moment just {vocalsound} uh , t for this class of {disfmarker} of things , we might want to try to encompass . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Then the scope of this is beyond {pause} Approach and Vis - or Vista . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , yeah yeah yeah . This is {disfmarker} this is everything that {disfmarker} that , um , {pause} {vocalsound} you know , um {pause} we might want to do in the next couple years .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . So what would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We don't {disfmarker} I mean , that 's an issue . We don't know what , entirely .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . but I 'm just {disfmarker} But the {disfmarker} Yeah , OK . So I just {disfmarker} this XML stuff here just has to do with Source - Path - Goal type stuff , in terms of traveling through Heidelberg .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or travel , specifically .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , but this O Is the domain greater than that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} I think the i the idea is {pause} that {disfmarker} Oh . It 's beyond Source - Path - Goal , but I think we don't need to get beyond it @ @ {comment} {disfmarker} tourists in Heidelberg .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It seems to me we can get {vocalsound} all the complexity we want in actions and in language without going outside of tourists in Heidelberg . OK ? But you know , i depending on what people are interested in , one could have , {vocalsound} uh , tours , one could have {vocalsound} um , explanations of why something is {disfmarker} is , you know , why {disfmarker} why was this done , or {disfmarker} I mean , no {disfmarker} there 's no end to the complexity you can build into the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , what a tourist in Heidelberg might ask .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , at least {disfmarker} unless somebody else wants t to suggest otherwise I think {vocalsound} the general domain we don't have t to uh , broaden . That is , tourists in Heidelberg . And if there 's something somebody comes up with that can't be done that way , then , sure . W we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll look at that , but {vocalsound} uh I 'd be s I I 'd be surprised at {disfmarker} if there 's any {disfmarker} {vocalsound} important issue that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} And , um {disfmarker} I mean if {disfmarker} if you want to {pause} uh , push us into reference problems , that would be great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so this is {disfmarker} his specialty is {disfmarker} reference ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} you know , what {disfmarker} what are these things referring to ? Not only {vocalsound} anaphora , but , uh , more generally the , uh {disfmarker} this whole issue of , uh , referring expressions , and , what is it that they 're actually dealing with in the world ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , again , this is li in the databa this is also pretty well formed because there is an ontology , and the database , and stuff . So it isn't like , {vocalsound} um , you know , the Evening Star or stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I i it {disfmarker} All the entities do have concrete reference . Although th the {vocalsound} To get at them from a language may not be trivial .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There aren't really deep mysteries about um , what w what things the system knows about .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . And you have both proper names and descriptions",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "All those things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and y and you can ask for it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You have proper names , and descriptions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And a l and a lot {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and anaphora , and pronouns ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Nuh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} all those things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Now , we hav the {disfmarker} the whole {disfmarker} Unfortunately , the whole database is , uh , {vocalsound} in German . We have just commissioned someone to translate some bits of it , IE the e the shortest k the {disfmarker} the more general descriptions of all the objects and , um , persons and events . So , it 's a relational database with persons , events , {vocalsound} and , um , objects . And it 's {disfmarker} it 's quite , um , {vocalsound} there . But did y I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} I think there will be great because the reference problem really is not trivial , even if you have such a g well - defined world .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "He knows .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ah - he you are not , uh , throwing uh , uh , carrying owls to Athens .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Could you give me an example of a reference problem ? so {disfmarker} so l I can make it more concrete ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? We sort of t think that our bit in this problem is interesting , but , just to get from Powder - Tower to an object I ID in a database is also not really trivial .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or if you take something even more scary , um , \" how do I get to the third building after the Tower ? the Ple - Powder - Tower ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you need some mechanism for",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or , you know , the church across from City Hall , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or the re the restaurant where they wear lederhosen ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or the",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Or is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "O or {disfmarker} or tower , or this tower , or that building , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uniquely .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Trying to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or you can say \" how {disfmarker} \" you know , \" how do I get back ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , again , it 's just a question of which of these things , uh , people want to {vocalsound} dive into . What , uh , I think I 'm gonna try to do , and I guess , pwww ! let 's say that by the end of spring break , I 'll try to come up with some {vocalsound} general story about , um , construction grammar , and what constructions we 'd use and how all this might fit together . There 's this whole framework problem that I 'm feeling really uncomfortable about . And I haven't had a chance to {vocalsound} think about it seriously . But I {disfmarker} I want to {disfmarker} I want to do that early , rather than late . And you and I will probably have to talk about this some .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "u u u u That 's what strikes me , that we sort of {disfmarker} the de g uh , small {disfmarker} Something , uh , maybe we should address one of these days , is to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That most of the work people actually always do is look at some statements , and {disfmarker} and analyze those . Whether it 's abstracts or newspapers and stuff like this .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But the whole {disfmarker} i is it {disfmarker} is it really relevant that we are dealing mostly with , sort of , questions ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean yeah , I d",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this is {disfmarker} It seems to me that we should maybe at least spend a session or {disfmarker} or brainstorm a little bit about whether that l this is special case in that sense .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't know . You know {disfmarker} Did we ever find m metaphorical use in {disfmarker} in questions in {disfmarker} in that sense , really ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You will .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And how soon ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , uh , we could take all the standard metaphor examples and make question versions of them . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" Who got kicked out of France ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Muh",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or , you know . \" Wh - why is he {disfmarker} why is he pushing for promotion ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Nuh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or , \" who 's pushing proof \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Nuh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "er , just pick {disfmarker} pick any of them and just {vocalsound} do the {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So I don't {disfmarker} I don't think , {vocalsound} uh , it 's at all difficult {disfmarker} Uh , to convert them to question forms that really exist and people say all the time , um {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} sort of {disfmarker} we don't know how to handle them , too . Right ? I mean , it 's {disfmarker} I d It {disfmarker} We don't know how to handle the declarative forms , @ @ {comment} really , and , then , the interrogative forms , ah - oh . Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ooo !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Nancy , it looked like you were s",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . it 's just that {disfmarker} that the goals are g very different to cases {disfmarker} So we had this problem last year when we first thought about this domain , actually , was that {vocalsound} most of the things we talked about are our story understanding .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we 're gonna have a short discourse and {vocalsound} the person talking is trying to , I don't know , give you a statement and tell you something . And here , {vocalsound} it 's th",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Help you create a mental model , blah - blah - blah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yea - eh {disfmarker} y Yeah , I guess so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then here , y you are j uh , the person is getting information and they or may not be following some larger plan , {vocalsound} you know , that we have to recognize or , you know , infer . And th th the {disfmarker} their discourse patterns probably {nonvocalsound} don't follo follow quite as many {vocalsound} logical connec",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . No , I think that 's one of things that 's interesting , is {disfmarker} is in this sort of over - arching story we {disfmarker} we worked it out for th as you say , this {disfmarker} the storytelling scenario .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And I think it 's really worth thinking through {vocalsound} {vocalsound} what it looks like .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What is the simspec mean , et cetera .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . M Right . Cuz for a while we were thinking , \" well , how can we change the , {vocalsound} um , data to sort of illicit tha {vocalsound} illicit , um , actions that are more like what we are used to ? \" But obviously we would rather , you know , try to figure out what 's {disfmarker} what 's , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't know . I mean , maybe {disfmarker} maybe that 's what we 'll do is {disfmarker} is s u e We can do anything we want with it . I mean , once we have fulfilled these requirements ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Mmm {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , and the one for next uh , summer is just half done and then the other half is this , um , \" generation thing \" which we think isn't much different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So once that 's done , then all the rest of it is , uh , sort of , you know , what we want to do for the research . And we can {disfmarker} w we can do all sorts of things that don't fit into their framework at all . Th - there 's no reason why we 're c we 're constrained to do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If we can use all the , uh , execution engines , then we can , {vocalsound} you know , really {nonvocalsound} try things that would be too {disfmarker} too much pain to do ourselves .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But there 's no obligation on any of this . So , if we want to turn it into u understan standing stories about Heidelberg , we can do that . I mean , that would just be a t a um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or , as a matter of fact , we need {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and if we if we ' r eh {disfmarker} take a ten year perspective , we need to do that , because w e w a Assuming we have this , um , we we ta in that case we actually do have these wonderful stories , and historical anecdotes ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and knights jumping out of windows ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and - and - and {disfmarker} {comment} {comment} tons of stuff . So , th the database is huge , and if we want to answer a question on that , we actually have to go one step before that , and understand that . In order to e do sensible information extraction .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You might , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so , um , this has been a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a Deep Map research issue that was {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is part of the unresolved , and to - do 's , and something for the future , is {vocalsound} how can we sort of run our our text , our content , through a machine {vocalsound} that will enable us , later , to retrieve or answer e questions more sensibly ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mwa Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Anyway . S Who 's going ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker} So , uh , I was just going to ask , um , {vocalsound} so , what is the {disfmarker} the basic thing that {disfmarker} that you are , um , obligated to do , um , uh , by the summer before w uh y c we can move {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! OK . So {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker} Yeah . So , what happened is , there 's this , eh , uh {disfmarker} Robert was describing the {disfmarker} There 's two packages there 's a , uh , quote parser , there 's a particular piece {vocalsound} of this big system , which , in German , uh , takes these t sentence templates and produces XML structures . And one of our jobs was to make the English equivalent of that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That , these guys did in a {disfmarker} in a day .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The other thing is , at the other end , roughly at the same level , there 's something that takes , uh , X M L structures , produces an output XML structure which is instructions for the generator .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK ? And then there 's a language generator , and then after that a s a synthesizer that goes from an XML structure to , uh , language generation , to actual specifications for a synthesizer . Eh , but again , there 's one module in which there 's one piece {vocalsound} that we have to convert to English .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Got it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} OK . And that {disfmarker} But as I say , this is {disfmarker} all along was viewed as a kind of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a m a minor thing , necessary , but {disfmarker} but not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And much more interesting is the fact that , {vocalsound} as part of doing this , we {disfmarker} we are , you know , inheriting this system that does all sort of these other {vocalsound} things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's great ! Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Not precisely what we want , and that 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that 's wh where it {disfmarker} it gets difficult . And I {disfmarker} I don't pretend to understand yet what I think we really ought to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , e enough of that , but I , uh , um , mmm , the e sort of , Johno and I will take up that responsibility , and , um , get a first draft of that . Now , we have um just , I think two more short things .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , y you guys sort of started fighting , uh , on the Bayes - net \" Noisy - OR \" front ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , I thought I should , um , talk a little bit about that , because that might be a good , uh , sort of architecture to have , in general for , uh , problems with , {vocalsound} you know , multiple inputs to a node .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Good ! OK . Good . And what 's the other one ? so that {disfmarker} just we know what the d agenda is ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , the Wu paper , I think maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . I 've got a couple new Wu papers as well . Uh , so I {disfmarker} I 've been in contact with Wu , so , probably let 's put that off till I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} till I understand better , {vocalsound} uh , what he 's doing . It 's just a little embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee , and , so , {vocalsound} I r really knew this at one time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ugh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} It 's not only uh Is {disfmarker} Part of what I haven't figured out yet is {disfmarker} is how all this goes together . So I 'll dig up some more stuff from Dekai . And {disfmarker} so why don't we just do the , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker} should I {disfmarker} Is there a white board here that I can use ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "squealing sound ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or shall I just use this ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's probably just as easy . I",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You can put the microphone in your pocket .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I was envying you and your pocket cause I don't have one .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It was a quick one , huh ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's why they invented \" pocket T 's \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "exactly",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They have clips !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Recall that , uh , we want to have this kind of structure in our Bayes - nets . Namely , that , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} You have these nodes that have several bands , right ? So {disfmarker} Does I mean , they sort of {disfmarker} the typical example is that , um , these are all a bunch of cues for something , and this is a certain effect that we 'd like to conclude . So , uh {disfmarker} Like , let 's just look at the case when , um , this is actually the {disfmarker} the final action , right ? So this is like , uh , {vocalsound} you know , touch ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Y",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "E - EVA",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Uh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , E - {vocalsound} EVA , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Enter , V View , Approach , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "W what was this ? It {disfmarker} i i i ehhh , {comment} i ehhh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Wri - write it out for for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , this is {disfmarker} Yeah . Enter ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "View , Approach .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , I mean , we 'd like to {disfmarker} take all these various cues , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Like the army .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So this one might be , say , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "New terminology ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , let me pick a random one",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I haven't heard that before .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and say , uh {disfmarker} I don't know , it could be , like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This isn't the way it really is , but let me say {disfmarker} that , suppose someone mentioned , uh , admission fees Ah , it takes too long . Try {disfmarker} let me just say \" Landmark \" . If the thing is a landmark , you know , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} then there 's another thing that says if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} if it 's closed or not , at the moment . Alright , so you have nodes . Right ? And the , uh , problem that we were having was that , you know , given N - nodes , there 's \" two to the N \" Given N - nodes , and furthermore , the fact that there 's three things here , we need to specify \" three times \" , uh , \" two to the N \" probabilities . Right ? That 's assuming these are all binary , which f they may not be . For example , they could be \" time of day \" , in which case we could , uh , say , you know , \" Morning , afternoon , evening , night \" . So , this could be more So , it 's a lot , anyway . And , that 's a lot of probabilities to put here , which is kind of a pain . So {pause} Noisy - ORs are a way to , uh , {vocalsound} sort of deal with this . Um Where should I put this ? So , the idea is that , um , {vocalsound} Let 's call these , uh , C - one , C - two , C - three , and C - four , and E , for Cause and Effect , I guess . The idea is to have these intermediate nodes . Right . Well , actually , the idea , first of all , is that each of these things has a {disfmarker} quote - unquote distinguished state , which means that this is {vocalsound} the state in which we don't really know anything about it . So {disfmarker} right ? So , for example , if we don't really know {vocalsound} if the thing is a landmark or not , Or , i if that just doesn't seem relevant , then that would be th sort of the Disting - the Distinguish state . It 's a really , you know , {vocalsound} if there is something for the person talking about the admission fee , you know , if they didn't talk about it , that would be the Distinguish state .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "S so , this is a fanciful way of saying \" default \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's just what they {disfmarker} the word they used in that paper .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , the idea is that , um , {vocalsound} you have these intermediate nodes , right ? E - one , E - two , E - three and E - four ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , this is the Heckerman paper you 're working with ? Good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {pause} The idea is that , each of these EI {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} represents what this would be {disfmarker} if all the other ones were in the distinguish state . Right ? So , for example , suppose that the person {disfmarker} I mean , suppose the thing that they talked about is a landmark . But none of the other {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sort of cues really apply . Then , {vocalsound} this would be {disfmarker} W The {vocalsound} this would just represent the probability distribution of this , assuming that this cue is turned on and the other ones just didn't apply ? So , you know , if it is a landmark , and no none of the other things really ap applicable , then {disfmarker} this would represent the probability distribution . So maybe in this case {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Maybe we just t k Maybe we decide that , if the thing 's a landmark and we don't know anything else , then we 're gonna conclude that , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} They want to view it with probability , you know , point four . They want to enter it with probability , uh {disfmarker} with probability point five and they want to approach it probability point one , say {disfmarker} Right ? So we come up with these l little tables for each of those OK . And the final thing is that , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} this is a deterministic function of these , so we don't need to specify any probabilities . We just have to , um , say what function this is , right ? So we can let this be , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} G of E - one comma E - two . E - three , E - four . Right ? and our example G would be , um , {vocalsound} a majority vote ? Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well . OK , so th so the important point {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} W not what the G function is . The important point is {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} There is a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a general kind of idea of shortcutting the full CPT . Th - c the full conditional probability table {disfmarker} with some function . OK ? Which y w you choose appropriately for each case . So , depending on {vocalsound} what your situation is , there are different functions which are most appropriate . And {disfmarker} So I gave {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker} Bhaskara a copy of this , eh {disfmarker} sort of \" ninety - two \" {comment} paper . D and you got one , Robert .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know who else has seen it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} yeah . it 's Heckerman and Breese .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's short . It 's short .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , I u w Um , yo uh {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} Have you read it yet ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you can {disfmarker} Yeah , you should take a look at it , I guess .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so you should take a look . Nancy , I 'm sure you read it at some point in life .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} yeah . I {disfmarker} I think so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . And {disfmarker} so , you other guys can decide how interested {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , @ @ .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway . So the paper isn't th isn't real hard .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} One of the questions just come at Bhaskara is , \" How much of this does JavaBayes support ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's a good question . Um {pause} {vocalsound} {nonvocalsound} The {disfmarker} so what we want , is basically JavaBayes to support deterministic , uh , functions .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} In a sense it sup we can make it supported by , um , {vocalsound} manually , uh , entering , you know , probabilities that are one and zeros , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So the little handout that {disfmarker} The little thing that I sent {disfmarker} I sent a message saying , uh , here is a way to take {disfmarker} One thing you could do , which is kind of s in a way , stupid , is take this deterministic function , and use it to build the CPT . So , if Ba - JavaBayes won't do it for you ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "that you can convert all that into what the CPT would be . Um {disfmarker} and , what I sent out about a week ago , was an idea of how to do that , for , um , evidence combination . So one of {disfmarker} one function that you could use as your \" G function \" is an e e Evidence - Combining . So you just take {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} uh , if each of th if each of the ones has its own little table like that , {vocalsound} then you could take the , uh , strength of each of those , times its little table , and you 'd add up the total evidence for \" V \" , \" E \" , and \" A \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . I don't think you can do this , because {disfmarker} {vocalsound} G is a function from {pause} that {vocalsound} to that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So there 's no numbers . There 's just {disfmarker} quadruplets of {disfmarker} well , N - duplets of , uh , E Vs .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I i i No , no {disfmarker} But I 'm saying is {disfmarker} There {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} There is a w I mean , if y if {disfmarker} if you decide what 's {disfmarker} what is appropriate , is probablistic evidence combination , you can write a function that does it . It 's a pui it 's actually one of the examples he 's got in there . But , anyway , s skipping {disfmarker} skipping the question of exactly which functions {disfmarker} now is it clear that you might like to be able to shortcut the whole conditional probability table .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in some {disfmarker} it seems very plausible in some sense , where we will be likely to not be {disfmarker} observe some of the stuff . Cuz we don't have the a access to the information .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oops , {comment} sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's one of the problems , is , W Is {disfmarker} is , Where would th Where would it all come from ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} Oh , right . W would not be ab able to observe",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I if it 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a discar Discourse Initial Phrase , we will have nothing in the discourse history . So , if {disfmarker} if we ever want to wonder what was mention",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker} Oh . A are you saying that we 'll not be able to observe certain nodes ? That 's fine . That is sort of orthogonal thing .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so there 's {disfmarker} there 's two separate things , Robert . The f the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the Bayes - nets in general are quite good at saying , \" if you have no current information about this variable just take the prior for that . \" OK ? Th - that 's what they 're real good at . So , if you don't have any information about the discourse , you just use your priors of {disfmarker} of whatever {disfmarker} eh the {disfmarker} discourse {disfmarker} uh , eh , basically whatever w it 's {disfmarker} Probabilistically , whatever it would be . And it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of not a great estimate ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} it 's the best one you have , and , so forth . So that , they 're good at . But the other problem is , how do you fill in all these numbers ? And I think that 's the one he was getting at .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , specifically in this case you have to {disfmarker} f have this many numbers ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "whereas in this case you just have to have three for this , three for this , three for this . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So you have to have just three N ? So , this is much smaller than that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Asymptotically .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , pretty quickly .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "U yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , you don't need da data enough to cover {disfmarker} uh , nearly as much stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , really , i What a {disfmarker} A Noisy - OR seems to kind of {pause} \" neural - net - acize \" these Bayes - nets ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Eh {disfmarker} well to some No , no . So , \" Noisy - OR \" is a funny way of referring to this , because {vocalsound} the Noisy - OR is only one instance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This isn't a Noisy - OR anymore .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That one actually isn't a Noisy - OR . So we 'll have to think of {vocalsound} of a way t t",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it 's a Noisy - arg - max or a Noisy - whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , whatever . Yeah . So {disfmarker} Eh {disfmarker} {comment} Um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , my point was more that we just {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker} With the neural net , right , eh , things come in , you have a function that combines them and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Tha - that 's true . It is a is also more neural - net - like , although {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , it isn't necessarily sum {disfmarker} uh , s you know , sum of weights or anything like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean i You could have , uh , like the Noisy - OR function , really is one that 's essentially says , uh , take the max .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the \" OR \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Same .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . I guess you 're right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh But anyway . So {disfmarker} And , I thi I think that 's the standard way people get around the {disfmarker} uh There are a couple other ones . There are ways of breaking this up into s to {disfmarker} to subnets and stuff like that . But , um The I think we definitely {disfmarker} I think it 's a great idea tha to {disfmarker} to pursue that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wha - still sort of leaves one question . It {disfmarker} I mean you {disfmarker} you can always uh {disfmarker} see easily that {disfmarker} that I 'm not grasping everything correctly , but {vocalsound} what seemed attractive to me in im uh in the last discussion we had , was {vocalsound} that we find out a means of {disfmarker} of getting these point four , point five , point one , of C - four , not because , you know , A is a Landmark or not , but we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we label this whatever object type , and if it 's a garden , it 's point three , point four , point two . If it 's a castle , it 's point eight , point one , point one . If it 's , {vocalsound} uh , a town hall , it 's point two , point three , point five .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so forth . And we don't want to write this down {disfmarker} necessarily every time for something but , uh {disfmarker} let 's see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 'll be students {disfmarker} Where else would it be stored ? That 's the question .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , in the beginning , we 'll write up a flat file .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We know we have twenty object types",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and we 'll write it down in a flat file .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No . So , i is Well , let me say something , guys , cuz there 's not {disfmarker} There 's a pretty point about this we might as well get in right now . Which is {disfmarker} The hierarchy that s comes with the ontology is just what you want for this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , if you know about it {disfmarker} let 's say , a particular town hall {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that , it 's one that is a monument , {vocalsound} then , that would be stored there . If you don't , you look up the hierarchy , Eh {disfmarker} so , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you may or {disfmarker} So , then you 'd have this little vector of , um , you know , Approach Mode or EVA Mode . Let 's {disfmarker} OK , so we have {vocalsound} the EVA vector for {disfmarker} for various kinds of landmarks . If you know it for a specific landmark you put it there . If you don't , you just go up the hierarchy to the first place you find one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , is the idea to put it in the ontology ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , or , link to {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but in any case {disfmarker} i View it logically as being in the ontology . It 's part of what you know about {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} an object , {vocalsound} is its EVA vector .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And , if yo As I say , if you know about a specific object , you put it there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "This is part of what Dekai was doing . So , when we get to Wu , The - e We 'll see w what he says about that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And , then if you {disfmarker} If it isn't there , it 's higher , and if you don't know anything except that it 's a b it 's {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker} building , then up at the highest thing , you have the pr what amounts to a prior . If you don't know anything else about a building , {vocalsound} uh , you just take whatever your crude approximation is up at that level ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "which might be equal , or whatever it is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's a very pretty relationship between these local vectors and the ontology . And it seems to me the obvious thing to do , unless {vocalsound} we find a reason to do something different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Does this make sense to you ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Bhask - ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , we are {disfmarker} but we {disfmarker} we 're not doing the ontology , so we have to get to whoever is doing the {disfmarker} u ultimately ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Indeed . So , that 's another thing we 're gonna need to do , is {disfmarker} is , to , either {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "we have to get them to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We 're gonna need some way to either get a p tag in the ontology , or add fields , or {disfmarker} {comment} {comment} {vocalsound} some way to associate {disfmarker} Or , w It may be that all we can do is , um , some of our own hash tables that it {disfmarker} Th - the {disfmarker} th you know , there 's always a way to do that . It 's a just a question of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , hash on object name to , you know , uh , the probabilities or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "i th Yeah . e Right . And , so , i uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But it 's , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , it strikes me as a What For If we get the mechanism , that will be sort of the wonderful part . And then , {vocalsound} how to make it work is {disfmarker} is the second part , in the sense that {disfmarker} I mean , m the guy who was doing the ontology {disfmarker} eh , eh , s ap apologized that i it will take him another through {disfmarker} two to three days because they 're having really trouble getting the upper level straight , and right now . The reason is , {vocalsound} given the craw bet uh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the projects that all carry their own taxonomy and , on all history , {vocalsound} they 're really trying to build one top level ontology ft that covers all the EML projects , and that 's , uh , uh , sort of a tough cookie , a little bit tougher than they {vocalsound} figured . I could have told them s so .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . But , nevertheless , it 's going to be there by n by , uh , next Monday and I will show you what 's {disfmarker} what some examples {vocalsound} from that for towers , and stuff . And , um , what I don't think is ever going to be in the ontology , is sort of , you know , the likelihood of , eh , people entering r town halls , and looking at town halls , and approaching town halls , especially since we are b dealing with a case - based , not an instance - based ontology . So , there will be nothing on {disfmarker} on that town hall , or on the Berkeley town hall , or on the {vocalsound} Heidelberg town hall , it 'll just be information on town halls .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} How ar What are they gonna do with instances ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you {disfmarker} y",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} Hhh . That 's {disfmarker} that 's al different question . I mean , th the {disfmarker} first , they had to make a design question , {vocalsound} \" do we take ontologies that have instances ? or just one that does not , that just has the types ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , so , since the d decision was on types , on a d simply type - based , {vocalsound} we now have to hook it up to instances . I mean this is",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But what i What is SmartKom gonna do about that ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz , they have instances all the time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but the ontology is really not a SmartKom thing , in {disfmarker} in and of itself . That 's more something that {vocalsound} I kicked loose in {disfmarker} in EML . So it 's a completely EML thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} SmartKom 's gonna need an ontology .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes , u a w a lot of people are aware of that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I understand , {vocalsound} but is anybody doing anything about it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . It 's a political problem . We won't worry about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , but {disfmarker} th the r eh {disfmarker} I th I still think that there is enough information in there . For example , whether {disfmarker} OK . So , th it will know about the twenty object types there are in the world . Let 's assume there are only twenty object types in this world . And it will know if any of those have institutional meanings . So , in a sense , \" I \" used as Institutions for some s in some sense or the other . Which makes them {disfmarker} enterable . Right ? In a sense .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Anyway . So we may have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This is with the whole thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "we may have to build another data stru",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Conceptually , we know what should be done . When we see what people have done , it may turn out that the easiest thing to do {vocalsound} is to build a {disfmarker} a separate thing that {disfmarker} that just pools i i Like , i i it {disfmarker} it may be , that , the {disfmarker} the instance {disfmarker} w That we have to build our own instance , uh , things , that , with their types ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} Right , we can just assume {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and then it goes off to the ontology once you have its type . So we build a little data structure And so what we would do in that case , is , in our instance gadget have {vocalsound} our E V And if we d there isn't one we 'd get the type and then have the E V As for the type . So we 'd have our own little , {vocalsound} uh , EVA tree . And then , for other , uh , vectors that we need .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , we 'd have our own little {vocalsound} things so that whenever we needed one , we 'd just use the ontology to get the type ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and then would hash or whatever we do to say , \" ah !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "If it 's that type of thing , and we want its EVA vector , pppt - pppt ! {comment} it 's that . \" So , I I think we can handle that . And then {disfmarker} But , the combination functions , and whether we can put those in Java Bayes , and all that sort of stuff , is , uh {disfmarker} is the bigger deal .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's where we have to get technically clever .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We could just steal the classes in JavaBayes and then interface to them with our own code .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I me ye {nonvocalsound} eh , yeah , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That requires understanding the classes in JavaBayes , I guess . @ @ .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , it 's , uh , e e e e e cute . I mean , you 've been around enough to {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} Just ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it depends on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there 's this huge package which {disfmarker} which may or may not be consistent and {disfmarker} you know . But , yeah , we could look at it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I was j OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's b It {disfmarker} It 's an inter sort of a kind of a {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} The thing is , it 's kind of an interpreter and i i it expects its data structures to be in a given form , and if you say , \" hey , we 're gonna {vocalsound} make a different kind of data structure to stick in there {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , but that just means there 's a protocol , right ? That you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It may or may not . I don't know . That 's the question is \" to what extent does it allow us to put in these G functions ? \" And I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , but {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} What I uh the {disfmarker} So you could have four different Bayes - nets that you 're running , and then run your own {disfmarker} write your own function that would take the output of those four , and make your own \" G function \" , is what I was saying .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's fine if it 's {disfmarker} if it comes only at the end . But suppose you want it embedded ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , then you 'd have to break all of your Bayes - nets into smaller Bayes - nets , with all the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's a truly horrible way to do d it . One would hope {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I 'm just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , you bet . But , at that point you may say , \" hey , Java Bayes isn't the only package in town . Let 's see if there 's another package that 's , eh , more civilized about this . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Now , Srini is worth talking to on this ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "cuz he said that he actually did hack some combining functions into But he doesn't remember {disfmarker} at least when I talked to him , he didn't remember {vocalsound} whether it was an e an easy thing , a natural thing , or whether he had to do some violence to it to make it work .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh . But he did do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't see why the , uh , combining f functions have to be directly hacked into I mean , they 're used to create tables so we can just make our own little functions that create tables in XML .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I say that 's one way to do it , is {disfmarker} is to just convert it int into a {disfmarker} into a C P T that you zip {disfmarker} It 's blown up , and is a {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} it 's huge , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it doesn't require any data fitting or complication .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . I don't think {disfmarker} I mean , the fact that it blown u blows up is a huge issue in the sense that {disfmarker} I mean , OK . So say it blows up , right ? So there 's , like , the you know , ten , f ten , fifteen , uh , things . It 's gonna be like , two to the {disfmarker} that , which isn't so bad .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I I understand . I 'm just saying tha that w That was wi that was my note . The little note I sent said that . It said , \" Here 's the way you 'd take the logical f G function and turn it into a CPT . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean that {disfmarker} the Max - the Evidence - Combining function . So we could do that . And maybe that 's what we 'll do . But , um don't know . So , I will , e {vocalsound} e before next week , uh , @ @ {comment} p push {disfmarker} push some more on {disfmarker} on this stuff that Dekai Wu did , and try to understand it . Uh , you 'll make a couple of more copies of the Heckerman paper to give to people ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "p Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I would like a copy ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "y y yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And , um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And I I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll think s through this , uh , {vocalsound} eh {disfmarker} getting EVA vectors dynamically out of ontologies one more time because I s I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure whether we all think of the same thing or not , here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you and I should talk about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh - huh . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright , great ! And , Robert , thank you for {vocalsound} coming in under {disfmarker} He {disfmarker} he 's been sick , Robert .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Und .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking maybe we should just cough into the microphone and see if they can't {disfmarker} th see if they can handle it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} is this , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
}
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"topic": "Introducing Fey and discussing participant recruitment"
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"261"
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],
"topic": "Capturing intention of subjects"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Language generation model and representing actions"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Natural language understanding and fitting the action schema into the source path goal schema"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Designing new SPG schema based on a more flexible organization"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "New meeting time and final words on schemas"
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{
"answer": "Meeting participants began by going over the logistics of recruiting participants, particularly through departmental mailing lists. They then moved onto discussing a new role, the instructor, who would help experimental participants figure out their intentions. This would eliminate a pre-written set of goals for the participants. Participants also discussed how the schema would incorporate other information, like choosing movies, and how more complex actions, like that of purchasing goods, could be incorporated into the source-path-goal schema. Finally, the participants concluded that an SPG schema of a different kind, one that can transfer previously acquired information, may be more helpful. The meeting concluded with the discussion of a new meeting time.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
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{
"answer": "The new system for collecting subject intention focused on allowing subjects to come up with the intent themselves. Instead of giving them a list of goals, the subjects would, with the help of an instructor, figure out what they want to do in the environment. The earlier interaction with the instructor would give them a sense of how specific their goals in the environment could be. Another idea was to use pictures for people to help determine their intention, but the manufacturing of pictures seemed to be a very intensive project.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about capturing the intention of subjects",
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"261"
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},
{
"answer": "Grad C introduced the topic and explained that the new idea was to allow subjects to generate high level tasks, like going shopping, by themselves. Subjects would also be provided a high level schematic which would give them basic features of the environment. Though, the schematic would not contain detailed information, like a street map, which would be reserved for interactions with the wizard. An instructor would be hired to help subjects navigate the high level tasks.",
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"answer": "Grad G learned that the materials would be based on real materials about Heidelberg and that the instructor would allow subjects to get a feel for the system's capabilities. Grad G also learned that the interactions would be more natural.",
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{
"answer": "The team wanted to figure out how roles would be connected to actions. The thought that their current XML schema forced the model to look up, requiring the whole body of the model. The new idea they came up with was to create a parallel intention oriented specification in addition to the pure schema, which would allow for a more flexible schema.",
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"answer": "Grad C thought an approach in which the model had to refer to parents seemed inefficient. The model would constantly have to go back. Grad C wanted to completely redo it, even if it meant throwing away what the team had developed thus far.",
"query": "What did Grad C think about the SPG schema?",
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{
"content": "Time .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Are you Fey ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I am Fey , yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "What day is today ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hi . I think we 've met before , like , I remember talking to you about Aspect or something like that at some point or other .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "A couple times yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's the uh twenty {disfmarker} nineteenth .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Nineteenth ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And you were my GSI briefly , until I dropped the class .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK , wh wh",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No offense .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Some in some introductions are in order .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Getting ahead of myself .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So . Um . For those who don't know {disfmarker} Everyone knows me , this is great . Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang , Johno and Bhaskara have been with us from {disfmarker} from day one",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yay !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and um they 're engaged in {disfmarker} in various activities , some of which you will hear about today . Ami is um our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of the more complex type ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh wow .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and um he sits in as a interested participant and helper . Is that a good characterization ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "u That 's pretty good , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Keith is not technically one of us yet ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Not yet .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "ha - ha . but um it 's too late for him now .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" One of us . \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah right . I 've got the headset on after all .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And um hopefully it is by {disfmarker} by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a better formal and a better semantic um idea of what a construction is and um how we can make it work for us . Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability of speaking and writing and understanding and reading that language . And um , is there anyone who doesn't know Nancy ? Do you {disfmarker} do you know Nancy ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Me ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I know Nancy .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I made that joke already , Nancy , sadly .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The \" I don't know myself \" joke .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You did ? When ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh before you came in .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Man !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "About me or you ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "About me .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . {vocalsound} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You could do it about you .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well I didn't know . I didn't mean to be humor copying , but OK , sorry . Yes , I know myself . It 's OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And um Fey is with us as of six days ago officially ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Officially ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Officially ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "but in reality already um much much longer and um um next to some {disfmarker} some more or less bureaucratic uh stuff with the {disfmarker} the data collection she 's also the wizard in the data collection Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Of Oz .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's very exciting .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "we 're sticking with the term \" wizard \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "and um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Not witch - like .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Wizardette .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wizard .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Wizardess .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sorceress , I think .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Wizard .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "wizard uh by by popular vote",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Didn't take a vote ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK , um , why don't we get started on that subject anyways . Um , so we 're about to collect data and um the uh s the following things have happened since we last met . When will we three meet again ? And um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "More than three of us .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "what happened is that um , \" A \" , {comment} there was some confusion between you and Jerry with the {disfmarker} that leading to your talking to Catherine Snow , and he was uh he {disfmarker} he agreed completely that some something confusing happened . Um his idea was to get sort of the l the lists of mayors of the department , the students . It {disfmarker} it 's exactly how you interpreted it , sort of s",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The list of majors in the department ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "M m Majors ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Ma - majors , majors .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Majors ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "\" Mayors \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , mayor {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Majors .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Something I don't know about these",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "The department has many mayors .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Majors and um just sending the {disfmarker} the little write - up that we did on to those email lists",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Yeah , yeah , yeah . But {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it was really Carol Snow who was confused , not me and not Jerry .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yep , yep . OK . So . So , that is uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . So I should still do that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And using the thing that you wrote up .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful . And um we have a little description of asking peop subjects to contact Fey for you know recruiting them for our thing and um there was some confusion as to the consent form , which is basically that {disfmarker} that what what you just signed",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and since we have one already um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Did Jerry talk to you about maybe using our class ? the students in the undergrad class that he 's teaching ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um well he said um we {disfmarker} definitely \" yes \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "e",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "however there is always more people in a {disfmarker} in a facul uh in a department than are just taking his class or anybody else 's class at the moment",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and one should sort of reach out and try and get them all .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , but th I guess it 's that um people in his class cover a different set so {disfmarker} than the c is the CogSci department that you were talking about ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I guess . See",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "uh reaching out to ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "that 's what I suggested to him , that people like {disfmarker} like Jerry and George and et cetera just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we have you know people from other areas",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "advertise in their classes as well .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah or even I could {disfmarker} you know I could do the actual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I mean I {disfmarker} I know how to contact our students ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's generally the way it 's done .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "so if there 's something that you 're sending out you can also s um send me a copy ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "me or Bhaskara could {disfmarker} either of us could post it to uh is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "A mailing list .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "if it 's a general solicitation that you know is just contact you then we can totally pro post it to the news group",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Do it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , so you 'll send it or something so .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "As a matter of fact , if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I can send it .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'll send it ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You can send it to me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Now , i",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Don't worry , we {disfmarker} this doesn't concern you anymore , Robert .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} however I suggest that if you {disfmarker} if you look at your email carefully you may think {disfmarker} you may find that you already have it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's fine . Oops . Already ? Really ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Probab",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . W we 'll see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember getting anything .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Anyhow , um the uh Yeah , not only Also we will talk about Linguistics and of course Computer Science .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um and then , secondly , we had , you may remember , um the problem with the re - phrasing , that subject always re - phrase sort of the task that uh we gave them ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a new scenario for how to get the {disfmarker} the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we {disfmarker} we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it {disfmarker} it 's getting more complicated . So if you know anyone interested in {disfmarker} in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to {disfmarker} to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast . Um {vocalsound} the idea now is to sort of come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks \" go shopping \" um \" take in uh a batch of art \" um \" visit {disfmarker} do some sightseeing \" blah - blah - blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in compiling {disfmarker} compiling here and already {disfmarker} she has already gone to the trouble of {disfmarker} of anchoring it with specific um o {comment} um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg . And um . So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if {disfmarker} if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film , the person can then decide \" OK , I wanna do that at this place \" , sort of make up their own itinerary a and {disfmarker} and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a tourist 's sort of schematic representation with {disfmarker} with symbols for the objects . And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that \" ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here \" and \" I wanted to maybe take a picture of that \" and \" maybe um eat here \" and then goes in and solves the task with the system , IE {comment} Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that {disfmarker} Any questions ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intention was {disfmarker} so you still have the {disfmarker} the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But they will um {disfmarker} There 's nothing that says you know \" these are the things you want to do \" so they 'll say \" well these are the things I want to do \" and {disfmarker} Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So they 'll be given this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it 's a schematic tourist map . So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the {disfmarker} that information and An",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allow them to figure out their way {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "N not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not really the street network . Nuh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So you 're just saying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and we want to maybe ask them , if you have {disfmarker} get it sort of isolated street the {disfmarker} the , whatever , \" River Street \" , and they know that {disfmarker} they have decided that , yes , that 's where they want to do this kind of action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because it 's too hard to memorize all these st strange German names . And then we 're going to have another {disfmarker} we 're gonna have w another trial run IE the first with that new setup tomorrow at two and we have a real interesting subject which is Ron Kay for who {disfmarker} those who know him , he 's the founder of ICI . So he 'll {disfmarker} he 's around seven seventy years old , or something .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I didn't know he was the founder . That 's {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And he also approached me and he offered to help {vocalsound} um our project and he was more thinking about some high level thinking tasks and {vocalsound} I said \" sure we need help you can come in as a subject \" and he said \" OK \" . So that 's what 's gonna happen , tomorrow , data .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Using this new {disfmarker} new um plan ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "New {disfmarker} new set up .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Which I 'll hopefully sort of scrape together t But , thanks to Fey , we already have sort of a nice blueprint and I can work with that . Questions ? Comments on that ? If not , we can move on . No ? No more questions ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure I totally understand this",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So what 's the s this is what you made , Fey ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} I 'm not sure I totally understand everything that 's being talked about",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Like so {disfmarker} So it 's just based on like the materials you had about Heidelberg .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um are you familiar with {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} with the very rough setup of the data ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but I {disfmarker} I imagine I 'll c just catch on .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Based on the web site , yeah , at the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK there 's a web site",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "experiment ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "and then you could like um figure out what the cate",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a tourist information web site ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is where they 're supposed to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Talk to a machine and it breaks down and then the human comes on .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The question is just sort of how do we get the tasks in their head that they have an intention of doing something and have a need to ask the system for something without giving them sort of a clear wording or phrasing of the task .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Because what will happen then is that people repeat {disfmarker} repeat , {comment} or as much as they can , of that phrasing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Um , are you worried about being able to identify {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um . The {disfmarker} The goals that we 've d you guys have been talking about are this {disfmarker} these you know identifying which of three modes um their question uh concerns .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's like the Enter versus View {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we will sort of get a protocol of the prior interaction ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ? That 's where the instructor , the person we are going to hire , um and the subjects sit down together with these high level things",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and so th the q first question for the subject is , \" so these are things , you know , we thought a tourist can do . Is there anything that interests you ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And the person can say \" yeah , sure sh this is something I would do . I would go shopping \" . Yeah ? and then we can sort of {disfmarker} this s instructor can say \" well , uh then you {disfmarker} you may want to find out how to get over here",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because this is where the shopping district is \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So the interaction beforehand will give them hints about how specific or how whatever though the kinds of questions that are going to ask during the actual session ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No . Just sort of {disfmarker} OK , what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what would you like to buy and then um OK there you wanna buy a whatever cuckoos clocks",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK and the there is a store there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the task then for that person is t finding out how to get there , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's sort of what 's left .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And we know that the intention is to enter because we know that the person wants to buy a cuckoos clock .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , that 's what I mean so like those tasks are all gonna be um unambiguous about which of the three modes .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK . So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , so the idea is to try to get the actual phrasing that they might use and try to interfere as little as possible with their choice of words .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "t {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That they 'll be here ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yes . In a sense that 's exactly the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the idea ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh uh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which is never possible in a {disfmarker} in a s in a lab situation ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , u u the one experiment th that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that I 've read somewhere , it was {disfmarker} they u used pictures .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "nuh ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So to {disfmarker} to uh actually um uh specify the {disfmarker} the tasks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but you know i i",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We had exactly that on our list of possible way things so we {disfmarker} uh I even made a sort of a silly thing how that could work , how you control you are here you {disfmarker} you want to know how to get someplace , and this is the place and it 's a museum and you want to do some and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and there 's a person looking at pictures . So , you know , this is exactly getting someplace with the intention of entering and looking at pictures .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "However , not only was {disfmarker} the common census were {disfmarker} among all participants of Friday 's meeting was it 's gonna be very laborious to {disfmarker} to make these drawings for each different things ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "all the different actions , if at all possible , and also people will get caught up in the pictures . So all of a sudden we 'll get descriptions of pictures in there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And people talking about pictures and pictorial representations",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I would s I would still be willing to try it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not saying it 's necessary but {disfmarker} but uh i uh uh i {vocalsound} you might be able to combine you know text uh and {disfmarker} and some sort of picture and also uh I think it {disfmarker} it will be a good idea to show them the text and kind of chew the task and then take the test away {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the text away",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so that they are not uh guided by {disfmarker} by by what you wrote ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but can come up with their {disfmarker} with their own {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they will have no more linguistic matter in front of them when they enter this room .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Then I suggest we move on to the {disfmarker} to we have um uh the EDU Project , let me make one more general remark , has sort of two {disfmarker} two side uh um actions , its um action items that we 're do dealing with , one is modifying the SmartKom parser and the other one is modifying the SmartKom natural language generation module . And um this is not too complicated but I 'm just mentioning it {disfmarker} put it in the framework because this is something we will talk about now . Um , I have some news from the generation , do you have news from the parser ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "By that look I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , uh , I would really p It would be better if I talked about it on Friday .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "If that 's OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , wonderful . Um , did you run into problems or did you run into not h having time ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But not {disfmarker} not any time part .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so that 's good . That 's better than running into problems .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And um I {disfmarker} I do have some good news for the natural language generation however . And the good news is I guess it 's done . Uh , meaning that Tilman Becker , who does the German one , actually took out some time and already did it in English for us . And so the version he 's sending us is already producing the English that 's needed to get by in version one point one .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So I take it that was similar to the {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what we did for the parsing ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} even though the generator is a little bit more complex and it would have been , not changing one hundred words but maybe four hundred words ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "but it would have been",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "but this {disfmarker} this is I guess good news , and the uh {disfmarker} the time and especially Bhaskara and uh {disfmarker} and um {disfmarker} Oh do I have it here ? No . The time is now pretty much fixed . It 's the last week of April until the fourth of May so it 's twenty - sixth through fourth . That they 'll be here . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's extremely important that the two of you are also present in this town during that time .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Wait , what {disfmarker} what are the days ? April twenty - sixth to the {disfmarker} May fourth ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'll probably be here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You will be here .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "There is a d Isn't finals coming up then pretty much after that ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Finals was that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah w it doesn't really have much meaning to grad students but final projects might .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah actually , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , so this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well I 'll be here working on something . Guaranteed , it 's just uh will I be here , you know , in uh {disfmarker} I 'll be here too actually but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No it 's just um you know they 're coming for us so that we can bug them",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and ask them more questions and sit down together and write sensible code and they can give some nice talks and stuff . But uh",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But it 's not like we need to be with them twenty - four hours a day s for the seven days that they 're here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "just make a {disfmarker} Not {disfmarker} not unless you really really want to .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "They 're very dependent",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Not unless you really want to . And they 're both nice guys so you may {disfmarker} may want to . OK , that much from the parser and generator side , unless there are more questions on that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , no sample generator output yet ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No . It {disfmarker} Just a mail that , you know , he 's sending me the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the stuff soon",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . This is being sent , mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and I was completely flabbergasted here",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and I {disfmarker} and that 's also it 's {disfmarker} it 's going to produce the concept - to - speech uh blah - blah - blah information for {disfmarker} necessary for one point one in English {disfmarker} based on the English , you know , in English . So . I was like \" OK ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We 're done .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "we 're done ! \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So that was like one of the first l You know , the first task was getting it working for English . So that 's basically over now . Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So the basic requirement fulfilled .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um , the basic requirement is fulfilled almost . When Andreas Stolcke and {disfmarker} and his gang ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "when they have um changed the language model of the recognizer and the dictionary , then we can actually a put it all together",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So the speech recognizer also works . Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and you can speak into it and ask for TV and movie information",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Toll .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and then when if {disfmarker} if something actually happens and some answers come out , then we 're done .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . If {disfmarker} and they 're kind of correct .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not done basically .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And they kind of are {disfmarker} are correct .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Perhaps if the answers have something to do with the questions for example .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's not just like anything . And they 're mostly in English . So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Then um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Are they {disfmarker} is it using the database ? the German TV movie .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {vocalsound} all the actual data might be German names ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um well actually th um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or are they all like American TV programs ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I want to see \" Die Dukes Von Hazard \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} OK , so you don't know how the German dialogue {disfmarker} uh the German {disfmarker} the demo dialogue actually works . It works {disfmarker} the first thing is what 's , you know , showing on TV , and then the person is presented with what 's running on TV in Germany on that day , on that evening",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and so you take one look at it and then you say \" well that 's really nothing {disfmarker} there 's nothing for me there \" \" what 's running in the cinemas ? \" So maybe there 's something better happening there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And then you get {disfmarker} you 're shown what movies play which films , and it 's gonna be of course all the Heidelberg movies and what films they are actually showing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And most of them are going to be Hollywood movies . So , \" American Beauty \" is \" American Beauty \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But they 're shown like on a screen .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "N",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker} I mean so would the generator , like the English language sentence of it is {disfmarker} \" these are the follow you know the following films are being shown \" or something like that ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it in that sense it doesn't make {disfmarker} In that case uh it doesn't really make sense to read them out loud .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "if you 're displaying them .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 'll just display {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But uh it 'll tell you that this is what 's showing in Heidelberg and there you go .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So we don't have to worry about um {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And the presentation agent will go \" Hhh ! \" {comment} Nuh ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Like that {disfmarker} the avatar .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And um . And then you pick {disfmarker} pick a movie and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and it show shows you the times and you pick a time and you pick seats and all of this . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Pretty straightforward .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But it 's {disfmarker} so this time we {disfmarker} we are at an advantage because it was a problem for the German system to incorporate all these English movie titles .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Nuh ? But in English , that 's not really a problem ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "unless we get some {disfmarker} some topical German movies that have just come out and that are in their database . So the person may select \" Huehner Rennen \" or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "\" Chicken Run \" .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Then uh on to the modeling . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um then modeling , there it is .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . What 's the next thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "e",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "This is very rough but this is sort of what um Johno and I managed to come up with . The idea here is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This is the uh s the schema of the XML here , not an example or something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this is not an XML this is sort of towards an {disfmarker} a schema ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "nuh ? definition . The idea is , so , imagine we have a library of schema such as the Source - Path - Goal and then we have forced uh motion , we have cost action ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "we have a whole library of schemas .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And they 're gonna be , you know , fleshed out in {disfmarker} in their real ugly detail , Source - Path - Goal , and there 's gonna be s a lot of stuff on the Goal and blah - blah - blah , that a goal can be and so forth . What we think is {disfmarker} And all the names could {disfmarker} should be taken \" cum grano salis \" . So . This is a {disfmarker} the fact that we 're calling this \" action schema \" right now should not entail that we are going to continue calling this \" action schema \" . But what that means {vocalsound} is we have here first of all on the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the first iteration a stupid list of Source - Path - Goal actions",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Actions that can be categorized with {disfmarker} or that are related to Source - Path - Goal .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "wi to that schema",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and we will have you know forced motion and cost action actions .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then those actions can be in multiple categories at the same time if necessary .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So a push may be in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in both you know push uh in this or this uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Forced motion and caused action for instance ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Also , these things may or may not get their own structure in the future . So this is something that , you know , may also be a res As a result of your work in the future , we may find out that , you know , there 're really s these subtle differences between um even within the domain of entering in the light of a Source - Path - Goal schema , that we need to put in {disfmarker} fill in additional structure up there . But it gives us a nice handle . So with this we can basically um you know s slaughter the cow any anyway we want . Uh . It {disfmarker} it is {disfmarker} It was sort of a {disfmarker} it gave us some headache , how do we avoid writing down that we have sort of the Enter Source - Path - Goal that this {disfmarker} But this sort of gets the job done in that respect and maybe it is even conceptually somewhat adequate in a sense that um we 're talking about two different things . We 're talking more on the sort of intention level , up there , and more on the {disfmarker} this is the {disfmarker} your basic bone um schema , down there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh one question , Robert . When you point at the screen is it your shadow that I 'm supposed to look at ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's the shadow .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Whereas I keep looking where your hand is , and it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that wouldn't have helped you at all .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Basically , what this is {disfmarker} is that there 's an interface between what we are doing and the action planner",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Spit right here .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and right now the way the interface is \" action go \" and then they have the {disfmarker} what the person claimed was the source and the person claimed as the goal passed on .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And the problem is , is that the current system does not distinguish between goes of type \" going into \" , goes of type \" want to go to a place where I can take a picture of \" , et cetera .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So this is sort of what it looks like now , some simple \" Go \" action from it {disfmarker} from an object named \" Peter 's Kirche \" of the type \" Church \" to an object named \" Powder - Tower \" of the type \" Tower \" . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This is the uh {disfmarker} what the action planner uses ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Currently .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Currently .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And is that {disfmarker} and tha that 's changeable ? or not ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like are we adapting to it ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} This is the output , sort of , of the natural language understanding ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "the input into the action planning , as it is now .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And what we are going to do , we going to {disfmarker} and you can see here , and again for Johno please {disfmarker} please focus the shadow ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "um we 're gon uh uh here you have the action and the domain object and w and on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What did you think he was doing ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "A laser pointer would be most appropriate here I think .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I um have {disfmarker} I have no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Eee .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Robert likes to be abstract and that 's what I just thought he was doing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You look up here .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Sort of between here and here ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "so as you can see this is on one level and we are going to add another um \" Struct \" , if you want , IE a rich action description on that level .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So in the future {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just an additional information {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . In the future though , the content of a hypothesis will not only be an object and an {disfmarker} an action and a domain object but an action , a domain object , and a rich action description ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? that doesn't hurt the current way . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker} which we 're abbreviating as \" RAD \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Rad !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So um you had like an action schema and a Source - Path - Goal schema ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ? So how does this Source - Path - Goal schema fit into the uh action schema ? Like is it one of the tags there ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah can you go back to that one ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So the Source - Path - Goal schema in this case , I 've {disfmarker} if I understand how we described {disfmarker} we set this up , um cuz we 've been arguing about it all week , but uh we 'll hold the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} Well in this case it will hold the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean the {disfmarker} the features I guess . I 'm not {disfmarker} it 's hard for me to exactly s So basically that will store the {disfmarker} the object that is w the Source will store the object that we 're going from , the Goal will store the {disfmarker} the f",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the fillers of the role source .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "we 'll fill those in fill those roles in , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The S Action - schemas basically have extra {disfmarker} See we {disfmarker} so those are {disfmarker} schemas exist because in case we need extra information instead of just making it an attribute and which {disfmarker} which is just one thing we {disfmarker} we decided to make it 's own entity so that we could explode it out later on in case there is some structure that {disfmarker} that we need to exploit .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , so th sorry I just don't kn um um um {disfmarker} This is just uh XML mo notational but um the fact that it 's action schema and then sort of slash action schema that 's a whole entit",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's a block , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's a block , whereas source is just an attribute ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Source is just not spelled out here . Source meaning {disfmarker} Source will be uh will have a name , a type , maybe a dimensionality ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "maybe canonical uh orientation {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh , uh - huh . OK could it {disfmarker} it could also be blocked out then as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "s Source it will be , you know we 'll f we know a lot about sources so we 'll put all of that in Source .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But it 's independent whether we are using the SPG schema in an Enter , View , or Approach mode , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "This is just properties of the SPG {comment} schema . We can talk about Paths being the fastest , the quickest , the nicest and so forth , uh or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} and the Trajector should be coming in there as well .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And then G the same about Goals .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So I guess the question is when you actually fill one of these out , it 'll be under action schema ? Those are {disfmarker} It 's gonna be one {disfmarker} y you 'll pick one of those for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK these are {disfmarker} this is just a layout of the possible that could go {disfmarker} play that role .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right , so the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the roles will be filled in with the schema",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , go it . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and then what actual a action is chosen is {disfmarker} will be in the {disfmarker} in the action schema section .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . S S OK , so one question . This was {disfmarker} in this case it 's all um clear , sort of obvious , but you can think of the Enter , View and Approach as each having their roles , right ? the {disfmarker} I mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's implicit that the person that 's moving is doing entering viewing and approaching , but you know the usual thing is we have bindings between sort of {disfmarker} they 're sort of like action specific roles and the more general Source - Path - Goal specific roles . So are we worrying about that or not for now ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes . Since you bring it up now , we will worry about it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Tell us more about it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "What do you {disfmarker} what do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What 's that ? Oh I guess it {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I may be just um reading this and interpreting it into my head in the way that I 've always viewed things",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} that {disfmarker} that may or may not be what you guys intended . But if it is , then the top block is sort of like um , you know , you have to list exactly what X - schema or in this action schema , there 'll be a certain one , that has its own s structure and maybe it has stuff about that specific to entering or viewing or approaching , but those could include roles like the thing that you 're viewing , the thing that you 're entering , the thing that you 're",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So very specific role names are \" viewed thing \" , \" entered thing \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "whatever , you know , that {disfmarker} which are {disfmarker} think {disfmarker} think of enter , view and approach as frames",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and they have frame - specific parameters and {disfmarker} and roles",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and you can also describe them in a general way as Source - Path - Goal schema and maybe there 's other image schemas that you could you know add after this that you know , how do they work in terms of you know a force dynamics",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or how do they work in f terms of other things . So all of those have um basically f either specific {disfmarker} frame specific roles or more general frame specific roles that might have binding . So the question is are um {disfmarker} how to represent when things are linked in a certain way . So we know for Enter that there 's Container potentially involved",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and it 's not {disfmarker} uh I don't know if you wanna have in the same level as the action schema SPG schema it {disfmarker} it 's somewhere in there that you need to represent that there is some container and the interior of it corresponds to some part of the Source - Path - Goal um you know goal {disfmarker} uh goal I guess in this case .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So uh is there an easy way in this notation to show when there 's identity basically between things",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and I di don't know if that 's something we need to invent or you know just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} wa wasn't there supposed to be a link in the",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if this answers your question , I was just staring at this while you were talking , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh a link between the action schema , a field in the s in the schema for the image schemas that would link us to which action schema we were supposed to use so we could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , well that 's {disfmarker} that 's one {disfmarker} one thing is that we can link up , think also that um we can have one or m as many as we want links from {disfmarker} from the schema up to the s action um description of it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But the notion I got from Nancy 's idea was that we may f find sort of concepts floating around i in the a action description of the action f \" Enter \" frame up there that are , e when you talk about the real world , actually identical to the goal of the {disfmarker} the S Source - Path - Goal schema ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Right , right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and do we have means of {disfmarker} of telling it within that a and the answer is absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The way {disfmarker} we absolutely have those means that are even part of the M - three - L A API ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh great . s Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "meaning we can reference . So meaning {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Great . That 's exactly what is necessary .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . St",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And um . This referencing thing however is of temporary nature because sooner or later the W - three - C will be finished with their X - path , uh , um , specification and then it 's going to be even much nicer . Then we have real means of pointing at an individual instantiation of one of our elements here",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and link it to another one , and this not only within a document but also via documents ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and all in a v very easy e homogenous framework .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So you know {disfmarker} happen to know how {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what \" sooner or later \" means like in practice ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's but it 's soon .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or estimated . OK , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So it 's g it 's {disfmarker} the spec is there and it 's gonna part of the M - three - L AP {disfmarker} API filed by the end of this year so that this means we can start using it basically now . But this is a technical detail .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So a pointer {disfmarker} a way to really say pointers .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Basically references from the roles in the schema {disfmarker} the bottom schemas to the action schemas is wha uh I 'm assuming .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I mean personally , I 'm looking even more forward to the day when we 're going to have X forms , which l is a form of notation where it allows you to say that if the SPG action up there is Enter , then the goal type can never be a statue .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh - huh . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So you have constraints that are dependent on the c actual s specific filler , uh , of some attribute .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , yeah . W Yeah e exactly . Um , you know this , of course , does not make sense in light of the Statue of Liberty ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "however {vocalsound} it is uh you know sort of {disfmarker} these sort of things are imaginable .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Tsk . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S So um , like are you gonna have similar schemas for FM",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Or the Gateway Arch in St .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Louis . So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "like forced motion and caused action and stuff like you have for SPG ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And if so like can {disfmarker} are you able to enforce that you know if {disfmarker} if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's SPG action then you have that schema , if it 's a forced motion then you have the other schema present in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um we have absolute {disfmarker} No . We have absolutely no means of enforcing that , so it would be considered valid if we have an SPG action \" Enter \" and no SPG schema , but a forced action schema . Could happen .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Whi - which is not bad , because I mean , that there 's multiple sens I mean that particular case , there 's mult there {disfmarker} there 's a forced side of {disfmarker} of that verb as well .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . It {disfmarker} maybe it means we had nothing to say about the Source - Path - Goal .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "What 's also nice , and for a i for me in my mind it 's {disfmarker} it 's crucially necessary , is that we can have multiple schemas and multiple action schemas in parallel .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And um we started thinking about going through our bakery questions , so when I say \" is there a bakery here ? \" you know I do ultimately want our module to be able to first of all f tell the rest of the system \" hey this person actually wants to go there \" and \" B \" , {comment} that person actually wants to buy something to eat there . Nuh ? And if these are two different schemas , IE the Source - Path - Goal schema of getting there and then the buying snacks schema , nuh ? {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Would they both be listed here in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Under so o under action schema there 's a list that can include both {disfmarker} both things .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "ye Yeah , they they would {disfmarker} both schemas would appear , so what is the uh is {disfmarker} is there a \" buying s snacks \" schema ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Snack action .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "What is the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} have",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "the buying snack schema ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "See .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Buying {disfmarker} {vocalsound} buying his food {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure there 's a commercial event schema in there somewhere .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oop . I {vocalsound} d f",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a \" commercial event \" or something .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so we would {disfmarker} we would instantiate the SPG schema with a Source - Path - Goal blah - blah - blah",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and the buying event you know at which {disfmarker} however that looks like , the place f thing to buy .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Uh - huh . Interesting . Would you say that the {disfmarker} like {disfmarker} I mean you could have a flat structure and just say these are two independent things , but there 's also this sort of like causal , well , so one is really facilitating the other and it 's part of a compound action of some kind , which has structure .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Now it 's technically possible that you can fit schema within schema , and schema within schemata {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh I {disfmarker} I think that 's nicer for a lot of reasons but might be a pain so uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um Well , for me it seems that uh {disfmarker} r Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean there are truly times when you have two totally independent goals that they might express at once , but in this case it 's really like there 's a purpo means that you know f for achieving some other purpose .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , if I 'm {disfmarker} if I 'm recipient of such a message and I get a Source - Path - Goal where the goal is a bakery and then I get a commercial action which takes place in a bakery , right ? and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and they {disfmarker} they are obviously , via identifiers , identified to be the same thing here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah . See that {disfmarker} that bothers me that they 're the same thing .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No , no , just the {disfmarker} Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because they 're two different things one of which is l you could think of one a sub you know pru whatever pre - condition for the second .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , yeah . So . So . OK . So there 's like levels of granularity . So uh there 's {disfmarker} there 's um a single event of which they are both a part . And they 're {disfmarker} independently they {disfmarker} they are events which have very different characters as far as Source - Path - Goal whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So when you identify Source - Path - Goal and whatever , there 's gonna to be a desire , whatever , eating , hunger , whatever other frames you have involved , they have to match up in {disfmarker} in nice ways . So it seems like each of them has its own internal structure and mapping to these schemas",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you know from the other {disfmarker} But you know that 's just {disfmarker} That 's just me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think we 're gonna hit a lot of interesting problems",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and as I prefaced it this is the result of one week of arguing {vocalsound} about it",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Between you guys",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and um {disfmarker} and so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean I {disfmarker} I still am not entirely sure that I really fully grasp the syntax of this .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not actually a very {disfmarker} actually , it doesn't actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um it occur {disfmarker} it occurs to me that I mean ne",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You know , like what {disfmarker} Right . Or the intended interpretation of this .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um well I should have {disfmarker} we should have added an ano an XML example ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or some XML examples",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah that would be {disfmarker} that would be nice .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and this is on {disfmarker} on a {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on my list of things until next {disfmarker} next week .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's also a question of the recursiveness and {disfmarker} and a hier hierarchy um in there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Do we want the schemas just blump blump blump blump ? I mean it 's {disfmarker} if we can actually you know get it so that we can , out of one utterance , activate more than one schema , I mean , then we 're already pretty good ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} well you have to be careful with that uh uh thing because uh {vocalsound} I mean many actions presuppose some {disfmarker} um almost {vocalsound} infinitely many other actions . So if you go to a bakery {pause} you have a general intention of uh not being hungry .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mayb - yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You have a specific intentions to cross the traffic light to get there .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You have a further specific intentions to left {disfmarker} to lift your right foot",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and so uh uh I mean y you really have to focus on on {disfmarker} on",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and decide the level of {disfmarker} of abstraction that {disfmarker} that you aim at it kind of zero in on that ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and more or less ignore the rest , unless there is some implications that {disfmarker} that you want to constant draw from {disfmarker} from sub - tasks um that are relevant uh I mean but very difficult .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "M Th The other thing that I just thought of is that you could want to go to the bakery because you 're supposed to meet your friend there or som",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you know so you {disfmarker} like being able to infer the second thing is very useful and probably often right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the utterance was \" is there a bakery around here ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But having them separate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "not \" I want to go to a bakery . \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe their friend said they were going to meet them in a bakery around the area .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm , yeah {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm inventing contexts which are maybe unlikely ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sure it {disfmarker} OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but yeah I mean like {disfmarker} but it 's still the case that um you could {disfmarker} you could override that default by giving extra information",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "which is to me a reason why you would keep the inference of that separate from the knowledge of \" OK they really want to know if there 's a bakery around here \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "which is direct .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there should never be a hard coded uh {vocalsound} shortcut from {pause} the bakery question to the uh double schema thing ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "how uh {disfmarker} And , as a matter of fact , when I have traveled with my friends we make these {disfmarker} exactly these kinds of appointments .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We o o",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exactly . It 's {disfmarker} I met someone at the bakery you know in the Victoria Station t you know {vocalsound} train station London before ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well . I have a question about the slot of the SPG action .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . It 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} the Enter - View - Approach the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the EVA um , those are fixed slots in this particular action . Every action of this kind will have a choice . Or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or will it just um uh {disfmarker} is it change {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Every SPG {disfmarker} every SPG action either is an Enter or a View or an Approach ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I mean for {disfmarker} for each particular action that you may want to characterize you would have some number of slots that define uh uh uh you know in some way what this action is all about .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It can be either A , B or C . Um . So is it a fixed number or {disfmarker} or do you leave it open {disfmarker} it could be between one and fifteen uh {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's flexible .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , the uh {disfmarker} Well , it sort of depends on {disfmarker} on if you actually write down the {disfmarker} the schema then you have to say it 's either one of them or it can be none , or it can be any of them . However the uh {disfmarker} it seems to be sensible to me to r to view them as mutually exclusive um maybe even not .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "J Do you mean within the Source - Path - Goal actions ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "uh {vocalsound} ye uh uh b I uh I {disfmarker} u I understand",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Those three ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "uh but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And um how {disfmarker} how where is the end ? So that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , no . There {disfmarker} a a actually by I think my question is simpler than that , um {vocalsound} is {disfmarker} OK , so you have an SPG action and {disfmarker} and it has three different um uh aspects um because you can either enter a building or view it or {disfmarker} or approach it and touch it or something . Um now you define uh another action , it 's {disfmarker} it 's called um uh s S P G - one",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Forced action or forced motion . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "action a different action . Um and this {disfmarker} uh action - two would have various variable possibilities of interpreting what you would like to do . And {disfmarker} i in {disfmarker} in a way similar to either Enter - View - Approach you may want to send a letter , read a letter , or dictate a letter , let 's say . So , h",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh the {disfmarker} OK uh maybe I 'd {disfmarker} The uh {disfmarker} These actions {disfmarker} I don't know if I 'm gonna answer your question or not with this , but the categories inside of action schemas , so , SPG action is a category . Real although I think what we 're specifying here is this is a category where the actions \" enter , view and approach \" would fall into because they have a related Source - Path - Goal schema in our tourist domain . Cuz viewing in a tourist domain is going up to it and {disfmarker} or actually going from one place to another to take a picture , in this {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Oh , s so it 's sort of automatic derived fr from the structure that {disfmarker} that is built elsewhere .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "derived I don't know if I u",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "This is a cate this a category structure here ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "right ? Action schema . What are some types of action schemas ? Well one of the types of action schemas is Source - Path - Goal action . And what are some types of that ? And an Enter , a View , an Approach .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Those are all Source - Path - Goal actions .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Inside of Enter there will be roles that can be filled basically . So if I want to go from outside to inside {vocalsound} then you 'd have the roles that need to filled , where you 'd have a Source - Path - Goal set of roles . So you 'd the Source would be outside and Path is to the door or whatever , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So if you wanted to have a new type of action you 'd create a new type of category . Then this category would {disfmarker} we would put it {disfmarker} or not necessarily {disfmarker} We would put a new action in the m uh in the categories that {disfmarker} in which it has the um {disfmarker} Well , every action has a set of related schemas like Source - Path - Goal or force , whatever , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So we would put \" write a letter \" in the categories uh that {disfmarker} in which it had {disfmarker} it w had uh schemas u",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "There could be a communication event action or something like that",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Schemas uh that of that type .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and you could write it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And then later , you know , there {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} we have a communication event action where we 'd define it down there as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . So there 's a bit a redundancy , right ? in {disfmarker} in which the things that go into a particular {disfmarker} You have categories at the top under action schema and the things that go under a particular category are um supposed to have a corresponding schema definition for that type . So I guess what 's the function of having it up there too ? I mean I guess I 'm wondering whether {disfmarker} You could just have under action schema you could just sort of say whatever you know it 's gonna be Enter , View or Approach or whatever number of things",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and pos partly because you need to know somewhere that those things fall into some categories . And it may be multiple categories as you say which is um the reason why it gets a little messy",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um but if it has {disfmarker} if it 's supposed to be categorized in category X then the corresponding schema X will be among the structures that {disfmarker} that follow .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , this is one of things we were arguing about .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "th this is {disfmarker} this r",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "this is {disfmarker} this is more {disfmarker} this is probably the way that th that 's the way that seemed more intuitive to Johno I guess",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You didn't tell me to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "also for a while {disfmarker} for",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . But now you guys have seen the light .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . Uh we have not {disfmarker} we have not seen the light .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the reason {disfmarker} One reason we 're doing it this way is in case there 's extra structure that 's in the Enter action that 's not captured by the schemas ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I it 's easy to go back and forth isn't it ? Uh - huh . I agree . Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which is why I would think you would say Enter and then just say all the things that are relevant specifically to Enter . And then the things that are abstract will be in the abstract things as well . And that 's why the bindings become useful .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Ri - You 'd like {disfmarker} so you 're saying you could practically turn this structure inside out ? or something , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um Ye - I see what you mean by that ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No basically w",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but I {disfmarker} I don't if I would {disfmarker} I would need to have t have that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Get {disfmarker} get rid of the sort of SPG slash something uh or the sub - actions category ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because what does that tell us ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um and I agree that you know this is something we need to discuss ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I in fact what you could say is for Enter ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you could say \" here , list all the kinds of schemas that {disfmarker} on the category that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "List all the parent categories .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know i list all the parent categories \" . It 's just like a frame hierarchy ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "like you have these blended frames . So you would say enter and you 'd say my parent frames are such - and - such , h and then those are the ones that actually you then actually define and say how the roles bind to your specific roles which will probably be f richer and fuller and have other stuff in there .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This sounds like a paper I 've read around here recently in terms of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it could {vocalsound} be not a coincidence . Like I said , I 'm sure I 'm just hitting everything with a hammer that I developed ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but I mean you know uh it 's {disfmarker} I 'm just telling you what I think , you just hit the button and it 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And , I guess fr uh",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean but there 's a good question here . Like , I mean uh do you {disfmarker} When do you need {disfmarker} Damn this headset ! When you this uh , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Metacomment .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} That 's all recorded . Um . Why do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "\" Damn this project . \" No just kidding .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Like {disfmarker} How do I {disfmarker} how do I come at this question ? Um . I just don't see why you would {disfmarker} I mean does th Who uses this uh {disfmarker} this data structure ? You know ? Like , do you say \" alright I 'm going to uh {disfmarker} {pause} do an SPG action \" . And then you know somebody ne either the computer or the user says \" alright , well , I know I want to do a Source - Path - Goal action so what are my choices among that ? \" And \" oh , OK , so I can do an Enter - View - Approach \" . It 's not like that , right ? It 's more like you say \" I want to , uh {disfmarker} {pause} I want to do an Enter . \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well only one of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And then you 're more interested in knowing what the parent categories are of that . Right ? So that the um {disfmarker} the uh sort of representation that you were just talking about seems more relevant to the kinds of things you would have to do ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I 'd {disfmarker} I",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think I 'd {disfmarker} I 'm not sure if I understand your question . Only one of those things are gonna be lit up when we pass this on . So only Enter will be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "if we {disfmarker} if our {disfmarker} if our module decided that Enter is the case , View and Approach will not be there .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} uh it 's {disfmarker} it sort of came into my mind that sometimes even two could be on , and would be interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um nevertheless um",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mayb - Well maybe I 'm not understanding where this comes from and where this goes to .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well in that case , we can't {disfmarker} we can't w if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "l let 's {disfmarker} let 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "well the thing is if that 's the case we {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} I don't think our system can handle that currently .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What are we doing with this ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , not at all . But {disfmarker} U s {vocalsound} t So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "In principle .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "\" Approach and then enter . \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} I think the {disfmarker} in some sense we {disfmarker} we ex get the task done extremely well",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Run like this uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because this is exactly the discussion we need {disfmarker} need .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Period . No more qualifiers than that . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , this is the useful ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and um and {disfmarker} and I th I hope",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you know , don don't worry .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um uh let 's make a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a sharper claim . We will not end this discussion anytime soon .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I can guarantee that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And it 's gonna get more and more complex the {disfmarker} the l complexer and larger our domains get .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sigh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And I think um we will have all of our points in writing pretty soon . So this is nice about being being recorded also . The um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "The r uh the {disfmarker} in terms of why is {disfmarker} it 's laid out like this versus some other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "the people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um that 's kind of a contentious point between the two of us but {vocalsound} this is one wa so this is a way to link uh the way these roles are filled out to the action .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "In my view .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Because if we know that Enter is a t is an SPG action ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "we know to look for an SPG schema and put the appropriate {disfmarker} fill in the appropriate roles later on .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And you could have also indicated that by saying \" Enter , what are the kinds of action I am ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So there 's just like sort of reverse organization , right ? So like unless @ @ {disfmarker} Are there reasons why one is better than the other I mean that come from other sources ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Again {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes because nobod no the modules don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . uh",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this is a schema that defines XML messages that are passed from one module to another ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "mainly meaning from the natural language understanding , or from the deep language understanding to the action planner .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Now the {disfmarker} the reason for {disfmarker} for not using this approach is because you always will have to go back , each module will try {disfmarker} have to go back to look up which uh you know entity can have which uh , you know , entity can have which parents , and then {disfmarker} So you always need the whole body of {disfmarker} of y your model um to figure out what belongs to what . Or you always send it along with it ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "nuh ? So you always send up \" here I am {disfmarker} I am this person , and I can have these parents \" in every message .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "which e",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so it 's just like a pain to have to send it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It may or may not be a just a pain it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I 'm completely willing to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to throw all of this away",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , I understand .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and completely redo it ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and it after some iterations we may just do that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I would just like to ask um like , if it could happen for next time , I mean , just beca cuz I 'm new",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and I don't really just {disfmarker} I just don't know what to make of this and what this is for , and stuff like that , you know , so if someone could make an example of what would actually be in it ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "like first of all what modules are talking to each other using this ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} I will promise for the next time to have fleshed out N {comment} XML examples for a {disfmarker} a run through and {disfmarker} and see how this {disfmarker} this then translates ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ? And {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and how this can come about ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Be great .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "nuh ? including the sort of \" miracle occurs here \" um part .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And um is there more to be said ? I think um {disfmarker} In principle what I {disfmarker} I think that this approach does , and e e whether or not we take the Enter - View and we all throw up {disfmarker} up the ladder um wha how do how does Professor Peter call that ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The uh hhh , {comment} silence su sublimination ? Throwing somebody up the stairs ? Have you never read the Peter 's Principle anyone here ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nope .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , uh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "People reach their level of uh max their level of {disfmarker} at which they 're incompetent or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Maximum incompetence",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then you can throw them up the stairs",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Promote them , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so we can promote Enter - View all {disfmarker} all up a bit and and get rid of the uh blah - blah - X - blah uh asterisk sub - action item altogether . No {disfmarker} no problem with that",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and we {disfmarker} w we {disfmarker} we will play around with all of them but the principal distinction between having the {disfmarker} the pure schema and their instantiations on the one hand , and adding some whatever , more intention oriented specification um on parallel to that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} this approach seems to be uh workable to me . I don't know . If you all share that opinion then that made my day much happier .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This is a simple way to basically link uh roles to actions .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah wait {disfmarker} R Yeah , yeah . That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's the {disfmarker} that was the intent of {disfmarker} of it , basically .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Although um roles {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I do I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm never happy when he uses the word \" roles \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I was going to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I b I mean ROLLS so",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Bread rolls ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh you meant pastries , then ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , pastries is what I 'm talking about .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Pastry oh ba oh the bak bakery example .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Bakery . Bakery .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "This is the bakery example . Got it . Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I see . Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Help !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I guess I 'll agree to that , then .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . That 's all I have for today . Oh no , there 's one more issue . Bhaskara brought that one up . Meeting time rescheduling .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I n Didn't you say something about Friday ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So it looks like you have not been partaking , the Monday at three o ' clock time has turned out to be not good anymore . So people have been thinking about an alternative time and the one we came up with is Friday two - thirty ? three ? What was it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You have class until two , right ? so if we don't want him {disfmarker} if we don't want him to run over here",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Two - th Two - thirty - ish or three or Friday at three or something around that time .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So do I . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "two thirty - ish or three is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . e",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um how {disfmarker} how are your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That would be good .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "uh Friday uh Yeah , that 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I know that you have until three {disfmarker} You 're busy ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So three is {disfmarker} sounds good ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I 'll be free by then .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I could do that . Yeah I mean earlier on Friday is better but three {disfmarker} you know I mean {disfmarker} if it were a three or a three thirty time then I would take the three or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but yeah sure three is fine .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and you can always make it shortly after three probably .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I don't need to be here particularly deeply .",
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"content": "Yeah . and um if you can get that binding point also maybe with a nice example that would be helpful for Johno and me .",
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"content": "and this action consists of all com complicated modules and image schemas and whatever .",
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"content": "Yeah . And {disfmarker} and there will be a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a relatively high level of redundancy",
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"content": "Mm - hmm . which is , yeah , It 's fine",
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"content": "so th so that if we want to get really cocky we we will say \" well if you really look at it , you just need our RAD . \" You can throw the rest away , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"content": "Because you 're not gonna get anymore information out of the action a as you find it there in the domain object .",
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"content": "Right . Right . Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "But then again um in this case , the domain object may contain information that we don't really care about either . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "H But w we 'll see that then , and how {disfmarker} how it sort of evolves .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Mmm . We know the things that make use of this thing so that we can just change them so that they make use of RAD .",
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "You don't have to use the acronym .",
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"content": "RAD 's a great term .",
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"content": "Is the {disfmarker} But what is the \" why \" ?",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "But what if it 's not an action ?",
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"content": "And intentions will be \" RID \" ? Like , \" OK \" . Um are the {disfmarker} are the sample data that you guys showed sometime ago {disfmarker} like the things {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} maybe you 're gonna run a trial tomorrow . I mean , I 'm just wondering whether the ac some the actual sentences from this domain will be available . Cuz it 'd be nice for me to like look if I 'm thinking about examples I 'm mostly looking at child language which you know will have some overlap but not total with the kinds of things that you guys are getting . So you showed some in this {disfmarker} here before",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"answer": "The group discussed plans and concerns regarding the architecture of SmartKom, its proposed modules, and the types of interactions expected to take place between modules. The meeting was largely focused on SmartKom's decision making capacity and how to adapt this functionality to the tourist information domain. The group set a date for assessing SmartKom plans.",
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"answer": "It was decided that SmartKom's action plans should be represented in XML as a state transition network. It was proposed that the term 'dialogue planner' should replace 'dialogue manager'. Prolog will be phased out completely and replaced by Java code. The dialogue manager must be capable of changing states, i.e. go from being event driven to answering a question from a planning module.",
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"answer": "As a functional module, the action planner is too restrictive for the tourist domain and requires complex slots from the dialogue manager. Interactions in a deep map system between the spatial planner and the route planner are too convoluted. SmartKom requires a fast and robust parser that includes language-specific extensions.",
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"answer": "Efforts are in progress to complete and test the code, generate an English grammar like that used in the German system, and get the parser interface working. A 'wizard of Oz' style data collection experiment is in progress to model users' underlying intentions when communicating with the dialogue component of a tourist domain GPS. ",
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"content": "Hmm ? Yeah Thank You . OK Well , so Ralf and Tilman are here .",
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"content": "So the {disfmarker} what w we h have been doing i they would like us all to read these digits . But we don't all read them but a couple people read them .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "because w we have {disfmarker} we face two ways . Either we do a syllable concatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in - depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not the syntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginning",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and um it does require some {disfmarker} some knowledge of {disfmarker} of those grammars and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and some ling linguistic background . But um it shouldn't be a problem for anyone .",
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"content": "OK So That sounds good . Johno , are you gonna have some time t to do that uh w with these guys ?",
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"content": "Sure .",
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"content": "cuz y you 're the grammar maven .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "I mean it makes sense ,",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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},
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"content": "the {disfmarker} the ultimate goal is that before they leave we {disfmarker} we can run through the entire system input through output on at least one or two sample things . And um and by virtue of doing that then in this case Johno will have acquired the knowledge of how to extend it . Ad infinitum . When needed , if needed , when wanted and so forth .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK that sounds great .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And um also um Ralf has hooked up with David and you 're gonna continue either all through tonight or tomorrow on whatever to get the er parser interface working .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "They are thinning out and thickening out lattices and doing this kind of stuff to see what works best .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great . So , you guys enjoy your weekend ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , very much so .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , very much",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , before {disfmarker} before you got put to work ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great . OK , so that 's {disfmarker} Sort of one branch is to get us caught up on what 's going on . Also of course it would be really nice to know what the plans are , in addition to what 's sort of already in code .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and we can d I dunno w w was there uh a time when we were set up to do that ? It probably will work better if we do it later in the week , after {pause} we actually understand uh better what 's going on .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So when do you guys leave ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um we 're here through Sunday ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so All through Friday would be fine .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK , so {disfmarker} OK , So {disfmarker} so anyt we 'll find a time later in the week to uh get together and talk about {pause} your understanding of what SmartKom plans are .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and how we can change them .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Should we already set a date for that ? Might be beneficial while we 're all here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK ? um What {disfmarker} what does not work for me is Thursday afternoon . I can do earlier in the day on Thursday , or {pause} um {pause} most of the time on Friday , not all .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Thursday morning sounds fine ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wha - but , Johno ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "what are your constraints ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "um Thursday afternoon doesn't work for me , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Neither does Thursday morning , no ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh Thursday morning should be fine .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Eleven ? Eleven on Thursday ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I was just thinking I w I will {pause} have {pause} leavened by eleven .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . This is then out of deference to our non - morning people .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK . So at eleven ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Thursday around eleven ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And actually we can invite um Andreas as well .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh he will be in Washington , though .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh that 's true . He 's off {disfmarker} off on his trip already .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but um David is here and he 's actually knows everything about the SmartKom recognizer .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Thilo . OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it . That would be good .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK so facing to {disfmarker} to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah obviously .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "um um Not this type of data ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "no not meeting data but sort of {disfmarker} sort ah our version of a wizard experiment such not like the ones in Munich but pretty close to it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The major difference to the Munich ones is that we do it via the telephone",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "even though all the recording is done here and so it 's a {disfmarker} sort of a computer call system that gives you tourist information",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "tells you how to get places . And it breaks halfway through the experiment and a human operator comes on . and part of that is sort of trying to find out whether people change their linguistic verbal behavior when first thinking they speak to a machine and then to a human .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and we 're setting it up so that we can {disfmarker} we hope to implant certain intentions in people . For example um we have first looked at a simple sentence that \" How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? \" OK so you have the {disfmarker} castle of Heidelberg",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and there is a tower and it 's called Powder - Tower .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and um so What will you parse out of that sentence ? Probably something that we specified in M - three - L , that is @ @ {comment} \" action go to whatever domain , object whatever Powder - Tower \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And maybe some model will tell us , some GPS module , in the mobile scenario where the person is at the moment . And um we 've sort of gone through that once before in the Deep Mail project and we noticed that first of all what are {disfmarker} I should 've brought some slides , but what our {disfmarker} So here 's the tower . Think of this as a two - dimensional representation of the tower . And our system led people here , to a point where they were facing a wall in front of the tower . There is no entrance there , but it just happens to be the closest point of the road network to the geometric center Because that 's how the algorithm works . So we took out that part of the road network as a hack and then it found actually the way to the entrance . which was now the closest point of the road network to",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , geometric center . But what we actually observed in Heidelberg is that most people when they want to go there they actually don't want to enter , because it 's not really interesting . They wanna go to a completely different point where they can look at it and take a picture .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so what uh uh a s you s let 's say a simple parse from a s from an utterance won't really give us is what the person actually wants . Does he wanna go there to see it ? Does he wanna go there now ? Later ? How does the person wanna go there ? Is that person more likely to want to walk there ? Walk a scenic route ? and so forth . There are all kinds of decisions that we have identified in terms of getting to places and in terms of finding information about things . And we are constructing {disfmarker} and then we 've identified more or less the extra - linguistic parameters that may f play a role . Information related to the user and information related to the situation . And we also want to look closely on the linguistic information that what we can get from the utterance . That 's part of why we implant these intentions in the data collection to see whether people actually phrase things differently whether they want to enter in order to buy something or whether they just wanna go there to look at it . And um so the idea is to construct uh um suitable interfaces and a belief - net for a module that actually tries to guess what the underlying intention {pause} was . And then enrich or augment the M - three - L structures with what it thought what more it sort of got out of that utterance . So if it can make a good suggestion , \" Hey ! \" you know , \" that person doesn't wanna enter . That person just wants to take a picture , \" cuz he just bought film , or \" that person wants to enter because he discussed the admission fee before \" . Or \" that person wants to enter because he wants to buy something and that you usually do inside of buildings \" and so forth . These ah these types of uh these bits of additional information are going to be embedded into the M - three - L structure in an {disfmarker} sort of subfield that we have reserved . And if the action planner does something with it , great . If not you know , then that 's also something um that we can't really {disfmarker} at least we {comment} want to offer the extra information . We don't really {disfmarker} um we 're not too worried .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} t s Ultimately if you have {disfmarker} if you can offer that information , somebody 's gonna s do something with it sooner or later . That 's sort of part of our belief .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What was he saying ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , for example , right now I know the GIS from email is not able to calculate these viewpoints . So that 's a functionality that doesn't exist yet to do that dynamically ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but if we can offer it that distinction , maybe somebody will go ahead and implement it . Surely nobody 's gonna go ahead and implement it if it 's never gonna be used , so . What have I forgotten about ? Oh yeah , how we do it ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well th uh",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah that 's the",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No no . It 's a good time to pause . I s I see {pause} questions on peoples ' faces , so why don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} Let 's hear {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well the obvious one would be if {disfmarker} if you envision this as a module within SmartKom , where exactly would that Sit ? That 's the d",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} so far I 've thought of it as sort of adding it onto the modeler knowledge module .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So this is one that already adds additional information to the",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Makes perfect sense . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , ah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but it could sit anywhere in the attention - recognition I mean basically this is what attention - recognition literally sort of can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's supposed to do . Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what it should do .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well f from my understanding of what the people at Phillips were originally trying to do doesn't seem to quite fit into SmartKom currently so what they 're really doing right now is only selecting among the alternatives , the hypotheses that they 're given enriched by the domain knowledge and the um discourse modeler and so on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker} if this is additional information that could be merged in by them .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And then it would be available to action planning and {disfmarker} and others .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "let 's {disfmarker} let 's That w OK that was one question . Is there other {disfmarker} other things that cuz {pause} we wanna not Pa - pass over any {pause} you know , questions or concerns that you have .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well there 're {disfmarker} there 're two levels of {disfmarker} of giving an answer and I guess on both levels I don't have any um further questions .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "uh the {disfmarker} the two levels will be as far as I 'm concerned as {pause} uh standing here for the generation module",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and the other is {disfmarker} is my understanding of what SmartKom uh is supposed to be",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and I {disfmarker} I think that fits in perfectly",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} well , let me {disfmarker} Let me s {pause} expand on that a little bit from the point of view of the generation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So the idea is that we 've actually got this all laid out an and we could show it to you ig um Robert didn't bring it today but there 's a {disfmarker} a belief - net which is {disfmarker} There 's a first cut at a belief - net that {disfmarker} that doesn't {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} isn't fully uh instantiated , and in particular some of the {disfmarker} the combination rules and ways of getting the {disfmarker} the conditional probabilities aren't there . But we believe that we have laid out the fundamental decisions in this little space",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and the things that influence them . So one of the decisions is what we call this AVE thing . Do you want to um access , view or enter a thing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So that 's a a discrete decision .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There are only three possibilities and the uh {disfmarker} what one would like is for this uh , knowledge modeling module to add which of those it is and give it to the planner .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , uh th the current design suggests that if it seems to be an important decision and if the belief - net is equivocal so that it doesn't say that one of these is much more probable than the other , then an option is to go back and ask for the information you want .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Alright ? Now there are two ways one can go {disfmarker} a imagine doing that . For the debugging we 'll probably just have a {disfmarker} a drop - down menu and the {disfmarker} while you 're debugging you will just {disfmarker} OK . But for a full system , then one might very well formulate a query ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "give it to the dialogue planner and say this , you know ar are you know you {disfmarker} are you planning to enter ? Or whatever it {disfmarker} whatever that might be . So that 's {disfmarker} under that model then , There would be a {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} um a loop in which this thing would formulate a query ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "presumably give it to you . That would get expressed and then hopefully you know , you 'd get an answer {pause} back .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that would of course {disfmarker} the answer would have to be parsed .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "right and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK so , {pause} th {pause} that uh , We probably won't do this early on , because the current focus is more on the decision making and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But While we 're on the subject I just wanted to give you a sort of head 's up that it could be that some months from now we said \" OK we 're now ready to try to close that loop \" in terms of querying about some of these decisions .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So {disfmarker} my suggestion then is that you um look into the currently ongoing discussion about how the action plans are supposed to look like . And they 're currently um Agreeing or {disfmarker} or in the process of agreeing on an X M L - ification of um something like a state - transition network of how dialogues would proceed . and {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} these um transition networks uh will be what the action planner interprets in a sense .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . D did you know this Robert ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "uh Michael is doing that , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well uh Marcus Lerkult is actually implementing that stuff and Marcus and Michael together are um leading the discussion there , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So we ha we have to get in on that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "because um partly those are like X - schemas .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the transition diagrams .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And it may be that {disfmarker} that um we should early on make sure that they have the flexibility that we need .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . But they uh Have I understood this right ? They {disfmarker} they govern more or less the {disfmarker} the dialogue behavior or the action {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not really what you do with the content of the dialogue but it 's So , I mean there is this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this nice interf",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh , No , it 's {disfmarker} it 's also a quantrant uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "i Is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So there 's ac so there {disfmarker} th the word \" action \" , OK , is {disfmarker} is what 's ambiguous here .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I think . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um one thing is there 's an actual planner that tells the person in the tourist domain now ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "per tells the person how to go , \" First go here ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "first go there uh , you know , take a bus \" , whatever it is . So that 's that form of planning , and action , and a route planner and GIS , all sort of stuff . uh But I think that isn't what you mean .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No . No , in SmartKom terminology that 's um called a function that 's modeled by a function modeler . And it 's th that 's completely um encapsulated from th the dialogue system . That 's simply a functionality that you give data as in a query and then you get back from that mmm , a functioning model um which might be a planner or a VCR or whatever . um some result and that 's then {disfmarker} then used .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK , so that 's what I thought . So action he action here means dia uh speech ac uh you know dialogue act .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah , in that {disfmarker} in that sense",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "yes , dialogue act ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think tha I think it 's not going to {disfmarker} I think that 's not going to be good enough . I I don what uh {disfmarker} what I meant by that . So I think the idea of having a , you know , transition diagram for the grammar of conversations is a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK ? And I think that we do hav definitely have to get in on it and find out {disfmarker} OK . But I think that um when {disfmarker} so , when you get to the tourist domain it 's not just an information retrieval system .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Clearly . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So this i this is where I think this {disfmarker} people are gonna have to think this through a bit more carefully .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , if it 's only like in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the film and T V thing , OK , you can do this . And you just get information and give it to people . But what happens when you actually get them moving and so forth and so on",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y y your {disfmarker} I d I think the notion of this as a self contained uh module you know th the functional module that {disfmarker} that interacts with {disfmarker} with where the tourism g stuff is going {comment} probably is too restrictive .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Now I dunno how much people have thought ahead to the tourist domain in this",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Probably not enough , I mean an {disfmarker} another uh more basic point there is that the current um tasks and therefore th the concepts in this ac what 's called the action plan and what 's really the dialogue manager .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "um is based on slots that have to be filled and the um kind of values in these slots would be fixed things like the a time or a movie title or something like this",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "whereas in the a um tourist domain it might be an entire route . Set - based , or even very complex structured information in these slots",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Indeed . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and I 'm not sure if {disfmarker} if complex slots of that type are really um being taken into consideration .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} that 's really something we",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Could you {disfmarker} could you put a message into the right place to see if we can at least ask that question ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean nothing 's being completely settled there",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "rea yep",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "so this is really an ongoing discussion",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and that 's",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah and um it might actually OK ah also {disfmarker} because um again in in Deep Map we have faced and implemented those problems once already",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "maybe we can even shuffle some know how from there to to Markus and Michael .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And um mmm You don't know {disfmarker} OK th I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll talk to Michael it 's what I do anyway . Who {disfmarker} How far is the uh the {disfmarker} the M - three - L specification for {disfmarker} for the la natural language input gone on the {disfmarker} the uh I haven't seen anything for the uh tourist path domain .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's not defined yet .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And um you are probably also involved in that ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "right ? uh together with the usual gang , um Petra and Jan",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah , there 's a meeting next next week I think",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK because That 's {disfmarker} Those are the {disfmarker} I think the {disfmarker} the true key issues is how does the whatever comes out of the language input pipeline look like and then what the action planner does with it {disfmarker} and how that is uh specified . I didn't think of the internal working of the uh the action planner and the language {disfmarker} uh the function model as sort of relevant . Because what {disfmarker} what they take is sort of this {disfmarker} this fixed representation of a {disfmarker} of an intention .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that can be as detailed or as crude as you want it to be . But um the internal workings of of the {disfmarker} whether you know there 're dialogue {disfmarker} action planners that work with belief - nets that are action planners that work with you know state automata . So that shouldn't really matter too much . I mean it does matter because it does have to keep track of you {disfmarker} we are on part six of r a route that consists of eight steps and so forth",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} I think there are a lot of reasons why it matters . OK , so that uh , for example , the i it 's the action planner is going to take some spec and s make some suggestions about what the user should do . What the user says after that is going to be very much caught up with what the action planner told it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "If the {disfmarker} If the parser and the language end doesn't know what the person 's been told OK th it 's you 're making your life much more difficult than it has to be .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So if someone says the best t to uh go there is by taxi , let 's say . Now the planner comes out and says you wanna get there fast , take a taxi . OK . And the language end doesn't know that . OK , there 's all sorts of dialogues that won't make any sense which would be just fine .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "hmm",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That would b but that {disfmarker} I think that {disfmarker} that uh point has been realized and it 's {disfmarker} it 's not really um been defined yet but there 's gonna be some kind of feedback and input from uh the action planner into all the analysis modules , telling them what to expect and what the current state of the discourse is .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Beyond what 's currently being implemented which is just word lists .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but this is not the st this is not just the state of the discourse .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Of {disfmarker} of special interest .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is actually the state of the plan . That 's why",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , Yes , Mm - hmm yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK so it {disfmarker} z and s uh , It 's great if people are already taking that into account . But One would have t have to see {disfmarker} see the details .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The specifics aren't really there yet . Yes . So , there 's work to do there .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So anyway , Robert , that 's why I was thinking that",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "um I think you 're gonna need {disfmarker} We talked about this several times that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the input end is gonna need a fair amount of feedback from the planning end .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "hmm",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in one of these things which are {disfmarker} are much more continuous than the {disfmarker} just the dialogue over movies and stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And even on {disfmarker} on a more basic level the {disfmarker} the action planner actually needs to be able to have um an expressive power that can deal with these structures . And not just um say um {disfmarker} um the dialogue um will consist of ten possible states and th these states really are fixed in {disfmarker} in a certain sense .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "You have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Would there be any chance of getting the terminology changed so that the dialogue planner was called a \" dialogue planner \" ? Because there 's this other thing The o There 's this other thing in {disfmarker} in the tourist domain which is gonna be a route planner",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be nice .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} It 's really gonna be an action planner . And {comment} i it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It oughta be called a {disfmarker} a dialogue manager . cuz that 's what everybody else calls it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I would think ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Huh ? So , s So what would happen if we sent a note saying \" Gee we 've talked about this and couldn't we change this uh th the whole word ? \" I have no idea how complicated these things are .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Probably close to impossible .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Depends on who you talk to how . We 'll see . I 'll go check , cause I completely agree . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and I think this is just for historical reasons within uh , the preparation phase of the project and not because somebody actually believes it ought to be action planner . So if there is resistance against changing it , that 's just because \" Oh , We don't want to change things . \" That {disfmarker} that not deep reason",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , anyway . I if {disfmarker} if that c in persists then we 're gonna need another term . for the thing that actually does the planning of the uh routes and whatever we are doing for the tourist .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's external services .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that 's not g eh tha That ha has all the wrong connotations . it 's {disfmarker} it sounds like it 's you know stand alone . It doesn't interact , it doesn't That 's why I 'm saying . I think you can't {disfmarker} it 's fine for looking up when T you know when the show 's on TV . You go to th but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's really {disfmarker} really wrong headed for something that you {disfmarker} that has a lot of state , it 's gonna interact co in a complicated way with the uh understanding parts .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah I think just the {disfmarker} the spatial planner and the route planner I showed you once the interac action between them among them in the deep map system",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} a printout of the communication between those two fills up I don't know how many pages",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and that 's just part of how do I get to one place . It 's really insane . and uh but um so this is um definitely a good point to get uh Michael into the discussion . Or to enter his discussion , actually .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Marcus .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's the way around . Markus",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wh - where 's ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is he new in the {disfmarker} in the ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he 's {disfmarker} he started um I think January .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And he 's gonna be responsible for the implementation of this action planner . Dialogue manager .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is he gonna continue with the old {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , no he 's completely gonna rewrite everything . In Java .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK so that 's interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes I was just {disfmarker} that 's my next question",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "hmm",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "whether we 're {disfmarker} we 're gonna stick to Prolog or not .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No . No , that 's gonna be phased out .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK But I do think the {disfmarker} the function modeling concept has a certain {disfmarker} makes sense in a {disfmarker} in a certain light",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because the action planner should not be {disfmarker} or the dialogue manager in that case should not um w have to worry about whether it 's interfacing with um something that does route planning in this way or that way",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I I totally agree .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "huh ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "it j",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I agree . There is {disfmarker} there 's a logic to dialogue which {disfmarker} which is {disfmarker} is separable . I Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and it {disfmarker} cant {disfmarker} sort of formulate its what it wants in a {disfmarker} in a rather a abstract uh way , you know f \" Find me a good route for this . \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't really have to worry ab how route planner A or how route planner B actually wants it . So this is {disfmarker} seemed like a good idea . In the beginning .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's tricky . It 's tricky because one could well imagine {disfmarker} I think it will turn out to be the case that uh , this thing we 're talking about , th the extended n uh knowledge modeler will fill in some parameters about what the person wants . One could well imagine that the next thing that 's trying to fill out the detailed uh , route planning , let 's say , will also have questions that it would like to ask the user . You could well imagine you get to a point where it 's got a {disfmarker} a choice to make and it just doesn't know something .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so y you would like it t also be able to uh formulate a query . And to run that back through uh . the dialogue manager and to the output module and back around .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "hmm",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And a I a a good design would {disfmarker} would allow that to happen .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "a lot of , yeah",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if you know if {disfmarker} if you can't make it happen then you {disfmarker} you do your best .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but that doesn't necessarily contradict um an architecture where there really is a pers a def well - defined interface . and {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I totally agree . But {disfmarker} but what it nee but th what the point is the in that case the dialogue manager is sort of event driven . So the dialogue manager may think it 's in a dialogue state of one sort ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and this {disfmarker} one of these planning modules comes along and says \" hey , right now we need to ask a question \" . So that forces the dialogue manager to change state .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Sure ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It could be y",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "ye yeah I {disfmarker} I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's the um concept that people have ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} the underlying idea of course is that there is something like kernel modules with kernel functionality that you can plug uh certain applications like tourist information or um the home scenario with uh controlling a VCR and so on . And then extend it to an arbitrary number of applications eventually . So {disfmarker} wouldn't That 's an additional reason to have this well - defined interface and keep these things like uh tourist information external .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And then call it external services .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But of course the {disfmarker} the more complex {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there is another philosophical issue that I think you know you can {disfmarker} evade",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but , at at least it makes sense to me that sooner or later uh {disfmarker} a service is gonna come and describe itself to you . and that 's sort of what Srini is working on in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the DAML uh project where um you {disfmarker} you find a GIS about {disfmarker} that gives you information on Berkeley ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} it 's gonna be there and tell you what it can do and how it wants to do things . and so you can actually interface to such a system without ever having met it before and the function modeler and a self - description of the um external service haggle it out",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and you can use the same language core , understanding core to interface with planner - A , planner - B , planner - C and so forth .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Which is , you know , uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} utopian {disfmarker} completely utopian at the moment , but slowly , you know , getting into the realm of the uh contingent .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But we are facing of course much more um realistic problems . And language input for example , is of course uh crucial you know also when you do the sort of deep understanding analysis that we envision . um Then of course , the uh um , you know what is it {disfmarker} poverty of the stimulus , yet the m uh the less we get of that the better . and um so we {disfmarker} we 're thinking , for example how much syntactic analysis actually happens already in the parser . and whether one could interface to that potentially",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , are there currently is uh no syntactic analysis but in the next release there will be some .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "unless",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "How 's it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and it 's um uh you can access this",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "S so uh y we {disfmarker} we looked at the e current pattern matching thing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And as you say it 's just a surface pattern matcher . Uh , So what are {disfmarker} what are the plans roughly ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "um it 's to {disfmarker} to integrate and syntactic analysis . and um add some more features like segmentation . So then an utter more than one utterance is {disfmarker} There um there 's often uh pause between it and a segmentation occurs . um",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , the um {disfmarker} So the idea is to uh {disfmarker} have a pa y y a particular {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Do you have a particular parser in mind ? Is it uh {disfmarker} partic d I mean have you thought through {disfmarker} ? Is it an HPSG parser ? Is it a whatever ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} no it 's {disfmarker} uh I think it 's it 's totally complicated for it 's just one {disfmarker} one person",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and so I have to keep the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you have to do it . You have to do it ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "ah and so {vocalsound} things must be simpler",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I see ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but uh , Miel syntactic analysis with um finite state transducers .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so But the people at D F Yeah . People at DFKI have written a fair number of parsers . Other {disfmarker} you know , people over the years . uh have written various parsers at DFKI . None of them are suitable ? I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I d I 'm asking . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh the problem is th that it has to be very fast because um if you want to for more than one path anywhere",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "what 's in the latches from the speech recognizer",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "so it 's speed is crucial . uh And they are not fast enough .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And they also have to be very robust . cuz of um speech recognition errors and",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , um {disfmarker} So there was a chunk parser in Verbmobil , that was one of the uh branchers . You know they {disfmarker} d th I c There were these various uh , competing uh syntax modules . And I know one of them was a chunk parser and I don't remember {pause} who did that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "A Alan ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's that might , at Tuebingen I thought .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I d I don't remember .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "was {disfmarker} Do you know something about that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Tubingen was at least involved in putting the chunks together",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In Tub - at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} can't quite recall whether they actually produced the chunks in the first place .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "oh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I see . Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Or wh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh from {disfmarker} from Stuttgart ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There w That 's right . They w They had {disfmarker} There were {disfmarker} This was done with a two phase thing , where {comment} the chunk parser itself was pretty stupid",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah , also",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and then there was a kind of trying to fit them together that h used more context .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well you s and {disfmarker} and especially you did some {disfmarker} some um , l um was a learning - based approach which learned from a big corpus of {disfmarker} of trees .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And yes the {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} the chunk parser was a finite - state machine that um Mark Light originally w worked on in {disfmarker} while he was in Tuebingen",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and then somebody else in Tuebingen picked that up . So it was done in Tuebingen , yeah . Definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But is that the kind of thing y It sounds like the kind of thing that you were thinking of .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I guess it 's similar .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . yeah that 's In this direction , yes",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's in {disfmarker} in this direction .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "From Michael Strube , I 've heard very good stuff about the chunk parser that is done by FORWISS , uh , which is in embassy doing the parsing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So this is sort of {disfmarker} came as a surprise to me that you know , embassy s {comment} is featuring a nice parser but it 's {pause} what I hear . One could also look at that and see whether there is some synergy possible .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , yeah , it would be very interesting , Mm - hmm . Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And they 're doing chunk parsing and it 's uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can give you the names of the people who do it there . But um . Then there is of course more ways of parsing things .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Of course . But {disfmarker} But uh given th the constraints , that you want it to be small and fast and so forth , my guess is you 're probably into some kind of chunk parsing . And uh I 'm not a big believer in this um statistical you know , cleaning up uh It {disfmarker} That seems to me kind of a last resort if uh you can't do it any other way . uh but I dunno .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It may {disfmarker} i i may be that 's what you guys finally decide do . Uh . And have you looked {disfmarker} uh just {disfmarker} again for context {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There is this {disfmarker} this one that they did at SRI some years ago {disfmarker} Fastus ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
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"content": "um",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
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"content": "a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah , I 've {disfmarker} I 've looked at it but {disfmarker} but it 's no {disfmarker} not much uh information available . I found ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "ah !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but it 's also finite - state transducers , I thought .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It is . Yeah . I mean {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it was pretty ambitious .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And of course it was English oriented ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and {disfmarker} and Purely finite - state transducers are not so good for German since there 's um",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "um w Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The word order is {disfmarker} is uh not fixed",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess that 's the point is {disfmarker} is all the morphology and stuff . And English is all th all word order . And it makes a lot more sense .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} e Yeah , OK . Good point . So in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in German you 've got uh most of this done with",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Also it 's uh {disfmarker} it 's um {disfmarker} Yes , uh the um choice between uh this processing and that processing and my template matcher .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
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"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So what about Um Did y like Morfix ? a a e y you 've got stemmers ? Or is that something that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah but it 's all in the {disfmarker} in the lexicon . So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But did you have that ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah th the information is available .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . I see . So , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So y you just connect to the lexicon",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and uh at least for German you have all {disfmarker} all of the {disfmarker} uh the stemming information .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can , oh yeah . We have knowledge bases from {disfmarker} from Verbmobil system we can use",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and so .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . But it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it doesn't look like i you 're using it . I didn't n see it being used in the current template uh parser . I {disfmarker} I didn't see any Uh {disfmarker} of course we l actually only looked at the English .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} um",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Did we look at the German ? I don't remember .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} but it 's used for {disfmarker} for stem forms .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So w wha",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "n Well I think {disfmarker} I think there 's some misunderstanding here",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker} Morphix is not used on - line .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "s so the lexicon might be derived by Morphix",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but What {disfmarker} what 's happening on - line is just um um a {disfmarker} a retrieval from the lexicon which would give all the stemming information",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "so it would be a full foreign lexicon .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's what you have .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We threw out all the forms .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} uh I didn't reme",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We threw out all the forms",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "because , you know , English , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK , so it {disfmarker} yeah , s s I thought I 'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So in German then you actually do case matching and things like in the {disfmarker} in the pattern matcher or not ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "um Not yet but it 's planned to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Cuz I r I didn't reme I didn't think I saw it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Have we looked at the German ? Oh , I haven yeah that 's {disfmarker} getting it from the lexicon is just fine .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Sure , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah . No problem with that . um Yeah and here 's the case where the English and the German might really be significantly different . In terms of if you 're trying to build some fast parser and so forth and {disfmarker} You really might wanna do it in a significantly different way . I don't know . So you 've {disfmarker} you guys have looked at this ? also ? in terms of You know , w if you 're doing this for English as well as German Um Do you think now that it would be this {disfmarker} doing it similarly ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "um Yeah , it 's um I think it 's um yes , it 's {disfmarker} it 's um possible to {disfmarker} to do list processing . and Maybe this is um more adequate for English and in German um set processing is used .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Set .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe yeah . Some extensions uh have to be made . For {disfmarker} for a English version",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . OK . Interesting . Not easy .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well there 's m I 'm sure there 's gonna be more discussion on that after your talk .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We 're just gonna foreshadow what we saw that",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and um",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Now actually , um Are you guys free at five ? Or {disfmarker} Do you have to go somewhere at five o ' clock tonight ? W in ten minutes ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} I think we 're expect {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "mmm . No . Oder there was an {disfmarker} talk ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there {disfmarker} there 's the um practice talk .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great . So you 're going to that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker} that 's what we were planning to do .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's good , because that will uh tell you a fair amount about The form of semantic construction grammar that we 're using .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} So I th I think that probably as good an introduction as you 'll get .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh to the form of {disfmarker} of uh {disfmarker} conceptual grammar that {disfmarker} that w we have in mind for this .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , ah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It won't talk particularly about how that relates to what uh Robert was saying at the beginning . But let me give you a very short version of this . So we talked about the fact that There 're going to be a certain number of decisions That you want the knowledge modeler to make , that will be then fed to the function module , that does uh , route planning . It 's called the \" route planner \" or something .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So there are these decisions . And then one half of this we talked about at little bit is how if you had the right information , if you knew something about what was said and about th the something about was the agent a tourist or a native or a business person or uh young or old , whatever . That information , and also about the Uh , what we 're calling \" the entity \" , Is it a castle , is it a bank ? Is it a s town square , is it a statue ? Whatever . So all that kind of information could be combined into decision networks and give you decisions . But the other half of the problem is How would you get that kind of information from the parsed input ? So , um So what you might try to do is just build more templates , saying uh we 're trying to build a templ you know build a template that w uh somehow would capture the fact that he wants to take a picture .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK ? And {disfmarker} and we could {disfmarker} you could do this . And it 's a small enough domain that probably you , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . You could do this . But uh from our point of view this is also a research project and there are a couple of people not here for various reasons who are doing doctoral dissertations on this ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and the idea that we 're really after is a very deep semantics based on cognitive linguistics and the notion that there are a relatively small number of primitive conceptual schemas that characterize a lot of activity . So a typical one in this formulation is a container . So this is a static thing . And the notion is that all sorts of physical situations are characterized in terms of containers . Going in and out the portals and con",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . But also , importantly for Lakoff and these guys is all sorts of metaphorical things are also characterized this way . You get in trouble and you know et cetera",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and so {disfmarker} s So , what we 're really trying to do is to map from the discourse to the conceptual semantics level . And from there to the appropriate decisions .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So another one of these primitive , what are called \" image schemas \" , is uh goal seeking . So this a notion of a source , path , goal , trajector , possibly obstacles .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the idea is this is another conceptual primitive .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that all sorts of things , particularly in the tourist domain , can be represented in terms of uh source , path and goal . So the idea would be could we build an analyser that would take an utterance and say \" Aha ! th this utterance is talking about an attempt to reach a goal . The goal is this , the pers the , uh traveller is that , uh the sor w where we are at now is is this , they 've mentioned possible obstacles , et cetera . \" So th the {disfmarker} and this is an {disfmarker} again attempt to get very wide coverage . So if you can do this , then the notion would be that across a very large range of domains , you could use this deep conceptual basis as the interface .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh The processing of that , both on the input end , recognizing that certain words in a language talk about containers or goals , et cetera , and on the output end , given this kind of information , you can then uh make decisions about what actions to take . Provides , they claim , a very powerful , general notion of deep semantics . So that 's what we 're really doing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And Nancy is going to {disfmarker} Her talk is going to be not about using this in applications , but about modeling how children might learn this kind of uh deep semantic grammar .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yep , yep . And how do you envision um the {disfmarker} the um this deep semantic to be worked with . Would it be highly ambiguous if and then there would be another module that takes that um highly underspecified deep semantic construction and map it onto the current context to find out what the person really was talking about in that context . or {disfmarker} or a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's where the belief - net comes in . So th the idea is , let 's take this business about going to the Powder - Tower .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So part of what you 'll get out of this will be the fact tha w if it works right , OK , that this is an agent that wants to go to this place and that 's their goal",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and there will be additional situational information .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "part of it comes from the ontology . The tower is this kind of object .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Part of it comes from the user model .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the idea of the belief - net is it combines the information from the dialogue which comes across in this general way ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you know this is a {disfmarker} this is a goal seeking behavior , along with specific information from the ontology about the kinds of objects involved",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah OK , Yeah , yep yep yep yep",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and about the situation about \" Is it raining ? \" I don't know . Whatever it is . And so that 's the belief - net that we 've laid out .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so th the coupling to the situation comes in this model from , at th at th at the belief - net , combining evidence from the dialogue with the ontology with the situation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But Nancy isn't gonna talk about that ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , oh yeah , I see ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "just about the um",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah yeah , really .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "First steps .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . The {disfmarker} the construction grammar .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And she 's gonna start in a minute .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "In a minute .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is it i in , then , your place , in five {disfmarker} five - A ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
}
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"answer": "The main focus of the meeting was firstly on the structure of the belief-net, its decision nodes and the parameters that influence them, and secondly, on the design of the data collection tasks. For the latter, there are already 30 subjects lined up and more are expected to be recruited off campus. Finally, as to the semantic and syntactic constructions, work will start with more general and brief descriptions, before moving to exhaustive analysis of at least a subset. Similarly, the construction parser that is to be built within a year is expected to be relatively basic, yet robust. ",
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"answer": "The team discussed that the organisation of the intermediate nodes of the belief-net and their properties is almost complete, although no conditional probabilities have been inserted yet. These nodes represent decisions that will function as parameters to action calls in the system. Their values will either be inferred from the user-system interaction, or -as a last resort- requested directly from the user.",
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"answer": "A detailed diagram of the EVA belief-net was presented and some of the intermediate nodes and their properties were discussed in depth. Some of the key features and properties are: \"Go-there\", which is binary, and defined by the user, situation, ontology and discourse models; \"timing\" (current/next tour); \"reason\" (business, sight-seeing, socialising); \"transport\"; \"length of tour\"; \"costs\"; \"entity\" (open, accessible) etc.",
"query": "What are the key features of the intermediate nodes?",
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"answer": "There are already 30 subjects lined up and more are expected to be recruited off campus. It was agreed that making subjects select from categories of tasks, such as \"big place\", \"service\", etc. could provide a better range of data. The duration of each dialogue will probably be no more than 10 minutes.",
"query": "What was said about the data collection participants?",
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"answer": "The data collection that will provide relevant dialogues is moving along, with thirty subjects already lined up. They will be given a reading task, which will include some german proper names, and a series of tasks from the tourist domain to choose from. In order to get directions, they will then communicate with a computer system and a human operator, using a sketchy map as an aid. A different set of data are already available from the SmartKom system and similar sources.",
"query": "What is the routine for data collection?",
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{
"content": "Now can you give me the uh {pause} remote T ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so Eva , co uh {disfmarker} could you read your numbers ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead and read . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , let 's get started . Um {disfmarker} Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every {disfmarker} uh , it seems to have about at two minute {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 've {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it 's not that I didn't try .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and um I {disfmarker} I told it to stay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It has a mind .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Got it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I I just {disfmarker} You know , sort of keep on wiggling .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Wants to conserve .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But uh {disfmarker} we 'll just be m m working on it at intensity so it doesn't happen . We 'll see . Should we plunge right into it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , would you like to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this {pause} side . Commented and {disfmarker} what they 're about and sort of {disfmarker} the properties we may um give them . And here are the uh {disfmarker} tasks to be implemented via our data collection . So all of these tasks {disfmarker} The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other . And analogously for example , here we have our EVA um {disfmarker} intention . And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view or just approach the thing . Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came up with our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and {pause} that may or may not be a problem . We can change the tasks slightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so {disfmarker} trying to im um {disfmarker} implant the intention of going to a place now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But I think that might be overdoing it a little .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah . So let me pop up a level . And uh s s make sure that we 're all oriented the same . So What we 're gonna do today is two related things . Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions . And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules . so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters . So to do that , we need to do two things . One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount . Then we need to figure out what influences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff . But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today . Technical stuff we 'll do {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} another day . Probably next week . But we are gonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them . And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues . So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh {disfmarker} in here , and have them actually record like this . Uh record dialogues more or less . And {disfmarker} depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Fo - v yeah people with the {disfmarker} phrase them",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "huh ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and so {disfmarker} Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh {disfmarker} we have some i we have some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go . So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh {pause} things that {disfmarker} that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions . So the uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values . So if {disfmarker} if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that . And he has a handout .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out . Any comments I can {disfmarker} can still be made and the changes will be put in correspondingly .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "m {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Let me summarize in two sentences , mainly for Eva 's benefit , who probably has not heard about the data collection , at all .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or have you heard about it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Not that much you didn't .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No . OK . We were gonna put this in front of people . They give us some information on themselves .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} then they will read uh {disfmarker} a task where lots of German words are sort of thrown in between . And um {disfmarker} and they have to read isolated proper names And these change {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S I don't see a release",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , this is not the release form . This is the speaker information form .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Got it . OK , fine . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The release form is over there in that box .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright , fair enough .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker} And then they gonna have to f um um choose from one of these tasks , which are listed here . They {disfmarker} they pick a couple , say three {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh six as a matter of fact . Six different things they sort of think they would do if they were in Heidelberg or traveling someplace {disfmarker} and um {disfmarker} and they have a map .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Like this . Very sketchy , simplified map . And they can take notes on that map . And then they call this computer system that works perfectly , and understands everything .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This is a fictional system obviously ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The comp Yeah , the computer system sits right in front of you ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "that 's Fey .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 've {disfmarker} I understand everything .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "And she does know everything .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yes I do .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "And she has a way of making this machine talk . So she can copy sentences into a window , or type really fast and this machine will use speech synthesis to produce that . So if you ask \" How do I get to the castle \" then a m s several seconds later it 'll come out of here \" In order to get to the castle you do {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK ? And um {disfmarker} And then after three tasks the system breaks down . And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator . And says \" Sorry the system broke down but let 's continue . \" And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they think they speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's the data collection . And um {disfmarker} And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker} And they 're {disfmarker} r ready uh {disfmarker} to roll .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And more and more every day .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure . Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Around four - ish .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room . Um {disfmarker} behind our backs . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , there are these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} oh , I see , we have to {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's tricky . We 'll {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let {disfmarker} we 'll do that off - line , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I {disfmarker} i i it 's happening . David and {disfmarker} and Jane and {disfmarker} and Lila are working on that as we speak .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . That was the uh {disfmarker} the data collection in a nutshell . And um {disfmarker} I can report a {disfmarker} so I did this but I also tried to do this {disfmarker} so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we get to the uh {disfmarker} uh belief - net just focusing on {disfmarker} on the g Go - there node . uh {disfmarker} Analogously this would be sort of the reason node and the timing node and so forth .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can {disfmarker} we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes . So I came up with a couple of additional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user . How much will he {disfmarker} is he willing to spend ? Or can spend . Being the same at this {disfmarker} just the money available , which may influence us , whether he wants to go there if it is {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever . Twenty - two million to fly to International Space Station , you know . just {disfmarker} Not all people can do that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , and this actually turned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} intermediate level Um and sort of noticing that everything that happens here {disfmarker} let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} then the situation nodes contributing to the {disfmarker} the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth . um {disfmarker} I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S {disfmarker} everything that comes from situation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called \" Keith node \" , or the discourse , what comes from the {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node . And um one just s sort of has to watch which {disfmarker} also final decision node so it doesn't make sense {disfmarker} t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an object if he never wants to go there in the first place . But this makes the design thing fairly simple . And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , the conditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that . And um {disfmarker} OK . and once um Bhaskara has finished his classwork that 's where we 're gonna end up doing . You get involved in that process too . And um {disfmarker} And for now uh the {disfmarker} the question is \" How much of these decisions do we want to build in explicitly into our data collection ? \" So {disfmarker} Um , one could {disfmarker} sort of {disfmarker} think of {disfmarker} you know we could call the z see or {disfmarker} you know , people who visit the zoo we could s call it \" Visit the zoo tomorrow \" , so we have an intention of seeing something , but not now {disfmarker} but later .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . Yeah , so {disfmarker} let 's s uh s see I th I think that from one point of view , Uh , um , all these places are the same , so that d d That , um {disfmarker} in terms of the linguistics and stuff , there may be a few different kinds of places , so I th i it seems to me that We ought to decide you know , what things are k are actually going to matter to us . And um , so the zoo , and the university and the castle , et cetera . Um are all big - ish things that um {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} have different parts to them , and one of them might be fine .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm , hmm . Yeah {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the reason why we did it that way , as a {disfmarker} as a reminder , is uh {disfmarker} no person is gonna do all of them .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They 're just gonna select u um , according to their preferences .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Ah , yeah , I usually visit zoos , or I usually visit castles , or I usually {disfmarker} \" And then you pick that one .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right , no no , but {disfmarker} but s th point is to {disfmarker} to y to {disfmarker} build a system that 's got everything in it that might happen you do one thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They 're redundant .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "T to build a system that um {disfmarker} had the most data on a relatively confined set of things , you do something else . And the speech people , for example , are gonna do better if they {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} things come up uh {disfmarker} repeatedly . Now , of course , if everybody says exactly the same thing then it 's not interesting . So , all I 'm saying is i th there 's {disfmarker} there 's a kind of question of what we 're trying t to accomplish . and {disfmarker} I think my temptation for the data gathering would be to uh , you know {disfmarker} And each person is only gonna do it once , so you don't have to worry about them being bored , so if {disfmarker} if it 's one service , one luxury item , you know , one big - ish place , and so forth and so on , um {disfmarker} then my guess is that {disfmarker} that the data is going to be easier to handle . Now of course you have this I guess possible danger that somehow there 're certain constructions that people use uh when talking about a museum that they wouldn't talk about with a university and stuff , um {disfmarker} but I guess I 'm {disfmarker} I uh m my temptation is to go for simpler . You know , less variation . But I don't know what other people think about this in terms of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So I don't exactly understand {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "like I I {disfmarker} I guess we 're trying to {disfmarker} limit the detail of our ontology or types of places that someone could go , right ? But who is it that has to care about this , or what component of the system ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , uh {disfmarker} th I think there are two places where it comes up . One is uh {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} th these people who are gonna take this and {disfmarker} and try to do speech with it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} Lots of pronunciations of th of the same thing are going to give you better data than l you know , a few pronunciations of lots more things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's one .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So we would rather just ask {disfmarker} uh have a bunch of people talk about the zoo , uh and assume that that will {disfmarker} that the constructions that they use there will give us everything we need to know about these sort of zoo , castle , whatever type things , these bigger places .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Bigger {disfmarker} Y yeah thi well this is a question for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And that way you get the speech data of people saying \" zoo \" over and over again or whatever too .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So this is a question for you ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and , you know , if we {disfmarker} if we do , and we probably will , actually try to uh build a prototype , uh probably we could get by with the prototype only handling a few of them anyway . So , Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the this was sort of {disfmarker} these are all different sort of activities . Um But I think y I {disfmarker} I got the point and I think I like it . We can do {disfmarker} put them in a more hierarchical fashion . So , \" Go to place \" and then give them a choice , you know either they 're the symphony type or opera type or the tourist site guide type or the nightclub disco type person and they say \" yeah this is {disfmarker} on that \" go to big - ish place \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "this is what I would do . \" And then we have the \" Fix \" thing , and then maybe \" Do something the other day \" thing , so . My question is {disfmarker} I guess , to some extent , we should {disfmarker} y we just have to try it out and see if it works . It would be challenging , in {disfmarker} in a sense , to try to make it so {disfmarker} so complex that they even really should schedule , or to plan it , uh , a more complex thing in terms of OK , you know , they should get the feeling that there are these s six things they have to do and they sh can be done maybe in two days .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So they make these decisions ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well I think th th",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Can I go there tomorrow ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} influences",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I think it 's easy enough to set that up if that 's your expectation . So , the uh system could say , \" Well , uh we 'd like to {disfmarker} to set up your program for two days in Heidelberg , you know , let 's first think about all the things you might like to do . So there {disfmarker} th i i in {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} I th I {disfmarker} I 'm sure that if that 's what you did then they would start telling you about that , and then you could get into um various things about ordering , if you wanted .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Yeah , but I think this is part of the instructor 's job . And that can be done , sort of to say , \" OK now we 've picked these six tasks . \" \" Now you have you can call the system and you have two days . \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And th w",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , we have to help {disfmarker} we have to decide . Fey will p carry out whatever we decide . But we have to decide you know , what is the appropriate scenario . That 's what we 're gonna talk about t yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But these are two different scenarios entirely . I mean , one is a planner {disfmarker} The other , it kind of give you instructions on the spot",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but th the {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I 'm not really interested in sort of \" Phase planning \" capabilities . But it 's more the {disfmarker} how do people phrase these planning requests ? So are we gonna masquerade the system as this {disfmarker} as you said simple response system , \" I have one question I get one response \" , or should we allow for a certain level of complexity . And a I w think the data would be nicer if we get temporal references .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , so Keith , what do you think ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , um it seems that {disfmarker} Yeah , I mean , off the top of my head it kinda seems like you would probably just want , you know , richer data , more complex stuff going on , people trying to do more complex sets of things . I mean {pause} you know , if our goal is to really sort of be able to handle a whole bunch of different stuff , then throwing harder situations at people will get them to do more linguistic {disfmarker} more interesting linguistic stuff . But I mean {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not really sure Uh , because I don't fully understand like what our choices are of ways to do this here yet .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean w we have tested this and a y have you heard {disfmarker} listen to the f first two or th as a matter of fact the second person is uh {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} was faced with exactly this kind of setup .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I started to listen to one and it was just like , um , uh , sort of depressing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I thought I 'd just sort of listen to the beginning part and the person was just sort of reading off her script or something . And .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . That was the first subject .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "First one wasn't very good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So um , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , it is {disfmarker} already with this it got pretty {disfmarker} with this setup and that particular subject it got pretty complex .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Although {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} I suggest we make some fine tuning of these , get {disfmarker} sort of {disfmarker} run through ten or so subjects",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and then take a breather , and see whether we wanna make it more complex or not , depending on what {disfmarker} what sort of results we 're getting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . It {disfmarker} In fact , um , I am just you know {disfmarker} today , next couple days gonna start really diving into this data . I 've basically looked at one of the files {disfmarker} you know one of these {disfmarker} l y y y you gave me those dozens of files and I looked at one of them which was about ten sentences , found fifteen , twenty different construction types that we would have to look for and so on and like , \" alright , well , let 's start here . \" Um . So I haven't really gone into the , you know {disfmarker} looked at all of the stuff that 's going on . So I don't really {disfmarker} Right , I mean , once I start doing that I 'll have more to say about this kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And y and always {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But well th but you did say something important , which is that um you can probably keep yourself fairly well occupied uh {disfmarker} with the simple cases for quite a while .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Although , obviously th so {disfmarker} so that sa s does suggest that {disfmarker} Uh , now , I have looked at all the data , and it 's pre it 's actually at least to an amateur , quite redundant .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that it was {disfmarker} it was very stylized , and quite a lot of people said more or less the same thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I um {disfmarker} I did sort of scan it at first and noticed that , and then looked in detail at one of them .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , yeah I noticed that , too .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we wanna do more than that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And with this we 're getting more . No question .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "uh w do we wanna get going beyond more , which is sort of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK , so let 's {disfmarker} let 's take {disfmarker} let 's I {disfmarker} I think your suggestion is good , which is we 'll do a b uh {disfmarker} a batch . OK . And , uh , Fey , How long is it gonna be till you have ten subjects ? Couple days ? Or thr f a A week ? Or {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't have a feel for th",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I can {disfmarker} Yeah , I mean I s I think can probably schedule ten people , uh , whenever .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's up to you , I mean I j I {disfmarker} uh e We don't have any huge time pressure . It 's just {disfmarker} when you have t",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "How long will it be ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I would say maybe two weeks .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So let 's do this . Let 's plan next Monday , OK , to have a review of what we have so far .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "This means audio , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "no transcriptions of course , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , we won't have the transcriptions , but what we should be able to do and I don't know if , Fey , if you will have time to do this , but it would be great if you could , um , not transcribe it all , but pick out uh , some stuff . I mean we could lis uh {disfmarker} just sit here and listen to it all . Are you gonna have the audio on the web site ? OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Until we reach the gigabyte thing and David Johnson s ki kills me . And we 're gonna put it on the web site . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we could get {disfmarker} I mean , you can buy another disk for two hundred dollars , right ? I mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's not like {disfmarker} OK . So , we 'll take care of David Johnson .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , he {disfmarker} uh , he {disfmarker} he has been solving all our problems or {disfmarker} is wonderful ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Take {disfmarker} care of him .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so s",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So we 'll buy a disk . But anyway , so , um , If you {disfmarker} if you can think of a way {disfmarker} to uh , point us to th to interesting things , sort of as you 're doing this or {disfmarker} or something uh , make your {disfmarker} make notes or something that {disfmarker} that this is , you know , something worth looking at . And other than that , yeah I guess we 'll just have to uh , listen {disfmarker} although I guess it 's only ten minutes each , right ? Roughly .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess . I 'm not sure how long it 's actually going to take .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "The reading task is a lot shorter . That was cut by fifty percent . And the reading , nobody 's interested in that except for the speech people .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . No , we don't care about that at all .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . It 's actually like five minutes dialogue .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I b My guess is it 's gonna be ten .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Ten minutes is long .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "People {disfmarker} I understand , but people {disfmarker} people {disfmarker} you know uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It feels like a long time",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "It feels like forever when you 're doing it ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but then it turns out to be three minutes and forty five seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Could be . OK . I was thinking people would , you know , hesitate and {disfmarker} Whatever . Whatever it is we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll deal with it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's not {disfmarker} And it 's fun .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so that 'll be {disfmarker} that 'll be {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the web page .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's great . Um But anyway {disfmarker} yeah , so I think {disfmarker} it 's a good idea to start with the sort of relatively straight forward res just response system . And then if we want to uh {disfmarker} get them to start doing {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} multiple step planning with a whole bunch of things and then organize them an um tell them which things are near each other and {disfmarker} you know , any of that stuff . uh {disfmarker} You know , \" Which things would you like to do Tuesday morning ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So yeah I {disfmarker} th that seems {disfmarker} pretty straight forward .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But were you saying that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "I need those back by the way .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry , Fey , what ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That w maybe one thing we should do is go through this list and sort of select things that are categories and then o offer only one member of that category ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I was suggesting for the first round , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "So rather than having zoo and castle .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And then , I mean , they could be alternate versions of the same {disfmarker} If you wanted data on different constructions .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "They could , but i but i uh tha eh they c yeah , but {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Like one person gets the version with the zoo as a choice , and the other person gets the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "You could , but i but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think in the short run , {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And no , th the per the person don't get it . I mean , this is why we did it , because when we gave them just three tasks for w part - A and three tasks for part - B a",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well no , they could still choose . They just wouldn't be able to choose both zoo and say , touring the castle .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . This is limiting the choices , but yeah . Right . OK , sorry . But um I {disfmarker} I think this approach will very well work , but the person was able to look at it and say \" OK , This is what I would actually do . \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "He was vicious .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , we gotta {disfmarker} we gotta disallow uh {disfmarker} traveling to zoos and uh castles at the same time , sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean there {disfmarker} they are significantly different , but .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "But no , they 're {disfmarker} I mean they 're sort of {disfmarker} this is where tour becomes {disfmarker} you know tourists maybe a bit different",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess so .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "and , um , these are just places where you {disfmarker} you enter um , much like here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But we can uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , in fact if y if y if you use the right verb for each in common , like at you know , \" attend a theater , symphony or opera \" is {disfmarker} is a group , and \" tour the university , castle or zoo \" ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "mm - hmm Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "all of these d do have this kind of \" tour \" um {disfmarker} aspect about the way you would go to them . And uh , the movie theater is probably also uh {disfmarker} e is a \" attend \" et cetera .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Attend , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it may turn out to be not so many different kinds of things ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and then , what one would expect is that {disfmarker} that the sentence types would {disfmarker} uh their responses would tend to be grouped according to the kind of activity , you would expect .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I mean i it seem that um {disfmarker} there is a difference between going {disfmarker} to see something , and things like \" exchange money \" or \" dine out \"",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , absolutely . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} @ @ function , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this is where {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} th the function stuff is definitely different and the getting information or g stuff {disfmarker} yeah . OK . But this is open . So since people gonna still pick something , we we 're not gonna get any significant amount of redundancy . And for reasons , we don't want it , really , in that sense . And um we would be ultimately more interested in getting all the possible ways of people asking , oh , for different things with {disfmarker} or with a computer . And so if you can think of any other sort of high level tasks a tourist may do just always {disfmarker} just m mail them to us and we 'll sneak them into the collection . We 're not gonna do much statistical stuff with it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We don't have enough .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No . But it seems like since we {disfmarker} since we are getting towards uh subject {disfmarker} uh fifty subjects and if we can keep it up um to a {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} sort of five four - ish per week rate , we may even reach the one hundred before Fey t takes off to Chicago .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That means that one hundred people have to be interested .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Good luck .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , um , these are all f people off campus s from campus so far ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} yeah we don't know how many we can get next door at the {disfmarker} uh shelter for example .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh for ten bucks , probably quite a few .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , alright , so let 's go {disfmarker} let 's go back then , to the {disfmarker} the chart with all the decisions and stuff , and see how we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Do {disfmarker} do people think that , you know this is {disfmarker} is gonna {disfmarker} um cover what we need , or should we be thinking about more ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Okay , in terms of decision nodes ? I mean , Go - there is {disfmarker} is a yes or no .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm also interested in th in this \" property \" uh line here , so if you look at {disfmarker} sorry , look at that um , timing was um {disfmarker} I have these three . Do we need a final differentiation there ? Now , later on the same tour , sometimes on the next tour .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What 's this idea of \" next tour \" ? I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's sort of next day , so you 're doing something now and you have planned to do these three four things ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and you can do something immediately ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you could sort of tag it on to that tour",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "or you can say this is something I would do s I wanna do sometime l in my life , basically .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . So {disfmarker} so this tour is sort of just like th the idea of current s round of {disfmarker} of touristness or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , probably between stops back at the hotel .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Got it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you wanted precise about it , uh you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Got it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} and I think that 's the way tourists do organize their lives .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sure , sure , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You know , \" OK , we 'll go back to the hotel and then we 'll go off",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So all tours {disfmarker} b a tour happens only within one day ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So the next tour will be tomorrow ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . For this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Just to be totally clear . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , my visit to Prague there were some nights where I never went back to the hotel , so whether that counts as a two - day tour or not we 'll have to {vocalsound} think .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You just spend the whole time at U Fleku or something ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} w we will {disfmarker} we will not ask you more .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "ri",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's enough .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . What is the uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the English co uh um cognate if you want , for \" Sankt Nimmerlandstag \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Keine Ahnung",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sort of \" We 'll do it on {disfmarker} when you say on that d day it means it 'll never happen .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Do you have an expression ? Probably you sh",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Not that I know of actually .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , when hell {disfmarker} Yep , we 'll do it when hell freezes over .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So maybe that should be another {vocalsound} property in there .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Never .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , the reason why {disfmarker} why do we go there in the first place IE uh {disfmarker} it 's either uh {disfmarker} for sightseeing , for meeting people , for running errands , or doing business . Entertainment is a good one in there , I think . I agree .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , business is supposed to uh , be sort of {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} like professional type stuff , right , or something like that ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} this w this is uh an old uh Johno thing . He sort of had it in there . \" Who is the {disfmarker} the tour is the person ? \" So it might be a tourist ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "it might be a business man who 's using the system , who wants to sort of go to some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or {disfmarker} or both .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I mean like for example my {disfmarker} my father is about to travel to Prague .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "He 'll be there for two weeks . He is going to uh {disfmarker} He 's there to teach a course at the business school but he also is touring around and so he may have some mixture of these things .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "He would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What ab What do you have in mind in terms of um {disfmarker} socializing ? What kind of activities ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Eh , just meeting people , basically . \" I want to meet someone somewhere \" , which be puts a very heavy constraint on the \" EVA \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you know , because then if you 're meeting somebody at the town hall , you 're not entering it usually , you 're just {disfmarker} want to approach it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} I mean , does this capture , like , where do you put {disfmarker} \" Exchange money \" is an errand , right ? But what about uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , like \" Go to a movie \" is now entertainment , \" Dine out \" is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Socializing , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , I I well , I dunno . Let {disfmarker} Let {disfmarker} well , we 'll put it somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So I mean {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} I would say that if \" Dine out \" is a special c uh {disfmarker} if you 're doing it for that purpose then it 's entertainment .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} we 'll also as y as you 'll s further along we 'll get into business about \" Well , you 're {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} this is going over a meal time , do you wanna stop for a meal or pick up food or something ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's different . That 's {disfmarker} that 's sort of part of th that 's not a destination reason , that 's sort of \" en passant , \" right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That goes with the \" energy depletion \" function , blech .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , \" endpoint \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" Tourist needs food , badly \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Endpoint \" is pretty clear . Um , \" mode \" , uh , I have found three , \" drive there \" , \" walk there \" uh {disfmarker} or \" be driven \" , which means bus , taxi , BART .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Obviously taxis are very different than buses , but on the other hand the system doesn't have any public transport {disfmarker} This {disfmarker} the planner system doesn't have any public transport in it yet .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So this granularity would suffice , I think w if we say the person probably , based on the utterance we on the situation we can conclude wants to drive there , walk there , or use some other form of transportation .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "H How much of Heidelberg can you get around by public transport ? I mean in terms of the interesting bits . There 's lots of bits where you don't really I 've only ev was there ten years ago , for a day , so I don't remember , but . I mean , like the {disfmarker} sort of the tourist - y bits {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - Well ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Everywhere .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "is it like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you can't get to the Philosophers ' Way very well ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but , I mean there are hikes that you can't get to , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but I think other things you can , if I remember right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So is like \" biking there \" {disfmarker} part of like \" driving there \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um we actually {disfmarker} biking should be {disfmarker} should be a separate point because we have a very strong bicycle planning component .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm g that 's good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Put it in .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Bicycles c should be in there , but , will we have bic I mean is this realistic ? I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , we can leave it out , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We can {disfmarker} we can sort of uh , drive {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I would {disfmarker} I would lump it with \" walk \" because hills matter .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? You know . Things like that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Skateboards right , anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Scooters ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , \" Length \" is um , you wanna get this over with as fast as possible ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "you wanna use some part of what {disfmarker} of the time you have . Um , they can . But we should just make a decision whether we feel that they want to use some substantial or some fraction of their time .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You know , they wanna do it so badly that they are willing to spend uh {disfmarker} you know the necessary and plus time . And um {disfmarker} And y you know , if we feel that they wanna do nothing but that thing then , you know , we should point out that {disfmarker} to the planner , that they probably want to use all the time they have . So , stretch out that visit for that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Wow {disfmarker} It seems like this would be really hard to guess . I mean , on the part of the system . It seems like it {disfmarker} I mean you 're {disfmarker} you 're talking about rather than having the user decide this you 're supposed t we 're supposed to figure it out ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "w well",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Th - the user can always s say it , but it 's just sort of we {disfmarker} we hand over these parameters if we make {disfmarker} if we have a feeling that they are important .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Overrider",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And that we can actually infer them to a significant de degree , or we ask .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And par yeah , and part of the system design is that if it looks to be important and you can't figure it out , then you ask .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But hopefully you don't ask you know , a all these things all the time .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} eh so , y but there 's th but definitely a back - off position to asking .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And if no {disfmarker} no part of the system ever comes up with the idea that this could be important , no planner is ever gonna ask for it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "y so {disfmarker} And I like the idea that , you know , sort of {disfmarker} Jerry pushed this idea from the very beginning , that it 's part of the understanding business to sort of make a good question of what 's s sort of important in this general picture , what you need t",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "If you wanna simulate it , for example , what parameters would you need for the simulation ? And , Timing , uh , uh , Length would definitely be part of it , \" Costs \" , \" Little money , some money , lots of money \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , maybe uh F {comment} uh so , F Yeah , OK . Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You could say \" some \" in there .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I must say that thi this one looks a bit strange to me . Um {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} It seems like appropriate if I go to Las Vegas . Well {disfmarker} but I decide k kind of how much money uh I 'm willing to lose . But a I as a tourist , I 'll just paying what 's {disfmarker} what 's more or less is required .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , no . I think there are {disfmarker} there 're different things where you have a ch choice ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "for example , uh this t interacts with \" do am I do oh are you willing to take a taxi ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Dinner .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Or uh , you know , if {disfmarker} if you 're going to the opera are you gonna l look for the best seats or the peanut gallery",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The best seat or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or , you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "whatever ? S so I think there are a variety of things in which um {disfmarker} Tour - tourists really do have different styles eating . Another one ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Right , that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what my sort of sentiment is they 're {disfmarker} Well , I {disfmarker} I once had to write a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a charter , a carter for a {disfmarker} a student organization . And they had {disfmarker} wanted me to define what the quorum is going to be . And I looked at the other ones and they always said ten percent of the student body has to be present at their general meeting otherwise it 's not a {disfmarker} And I wrote in there \" En - Enough \" people have to be there . And it was hotly debated , but people agreed with me that everybody probably has a good feeling whether it was a farce , a joke , or whether there were enough people .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And if you go to Turkey , you will find when people go shopping , they will say \" How much cheese do you want ? \" and they say \" Ah , enough . \" And the {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} this used all over the place . Because the person selling the cheese knows , you know , that person has two kids and you know , a husband that dislikes cheese , so this is enough .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And um so the middle part is always sort of the {disfmarker} the golden way , right ? So you can s you can be really {disfmarker} make it as cheap as possible , or you can say \" I want , er , you know , I don't care \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Money is no object . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Money is no object ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "or you say \" I just want to spend enough \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Or the sufficient , or the the appropriate amount .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But , Then again , this may turn out to be insufficient for our purposes . But well , this is my first guess ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean y Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "in much the same way as how {disfmarker} how d you know {disfmarker} should the route be ? Should it be the easiest route , even if it 's a b little bit longer ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No steep inclinations ? Go the normal way ? Whatever that again means , er {disfmarker} or do you {disfmarker} does the person wanna rough it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I mean {disfmarker} th so there 's a couple of different ways you can interpret these things right ? You know {disfmarker} \" I want to go there and I don't care if it 's really hard . \" Or if you 're an extreme sport person , you know . \" I wanna go there and I insist on it being the hard way . \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? you know , so I assume we 're going for the first interpretation ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "right ? Something like {disfmarker} I 'll go th I mean {disfmarker} I 'd li I dunno . It 's different from thing to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , I think he was going for the second one ar actually .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , we 'll sort th yeah , we 'll sort that out .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is all sort of um , top of my head .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} no research behind that . Um {disfmarker} \" Object information \" , \" Do I {disfmarker} do I wanna know anything about that object ? \" is either true or false . And . if I care about it being open , accessible or not , I don't think there 's any middle ground there . Um , either I wanna know where it is or not , I wanna know about it 's history or not , or , um I wanna know about what it 's good for or not . Maybe one could put scales in there , too . So I wanna know a l lot about it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , now ob OK , I 'm sorry , go ahead , what were you gonna say ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "One could put scales in there . So I wanna know a lot about the history , just a bit .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right well y i w if we {disfmarker} w right . So \" object \" becomes \" entity \" , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we don't have to do it now .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . That was the wrong shortcut anyhow .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And we think that 's it , interestingly enough , that um , you know , th or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or something very close to it is going to be uh {disfmarker} going to be enough . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Still wrong .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so um {disfmarker} So I think the order of things is that um , Robert will clean this up a little bit , although it looks pretty good . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What , well this is the part that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "this is the part that needs the work .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} right , so {disfmarker} So , um In parallel , uh {disfmarker} three things are going to happen . Uh Robert and Eva and Bhaskara are gonna actually {disfmarker} build a belief - net that {disfmarker} that , um , has CPT 's and , you know , tries to infer this from various kinds of information . And Fey is going to start collecting data , and we 're gonna start thinking a about {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} what constructions we want to elicit . And then w go it may iterate on uh , further data collection to elicit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "D Do you mean {disfmarker} Do you mean eliciting particular constructions ? Or do you mean like what kinds of things we want to get people talking about ? Semantically speaking , eh ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yes .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Both . Uh , and {disfmarker} Though for us , constructions are primarily semantic , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} And so {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean from my point of view I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm trying to care about the syntax , so you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well that too ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but um {disfmarker} You know if th if we in {disfmarker} if we you know , make sure that we get them talking about temporal order .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , that would be great and if th if they use prepositional phrases or subordinate clauses or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} W You know , whatever form they use is fine .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I think that probably we 're gonna try to look at it as you know , s what semantic constructions d do we {disfmarker} do we want them to uh do direc",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you know , um , \" Caused motion \" , I don't know , something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh But , Eh - uh this is actually a conversation you and I have to have about your thesis fantasies , and how all this fits into that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Got it . Yeah . Uh Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I will tell you the German tourist data .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Because I have not been able to dig out all the stuff out of the m ta thirty D V",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} If you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is that roughly the equivalent of {disfmarker} of what I 've seen in English or is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , not at all .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Dialogues . SmartKom {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "SmartKom {disfmarker} Human . Wizard of Oz .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Same {disfmarker} OK , that . Got it . Like what {disfmarker} What have I got now ? I mean I have uh what {disfmarker} what I 'm loo what I {disfmarker} Those files that you sent me are the user side of some interaction with Fey ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "A little bit of data , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is that what it is ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "With nothing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Just talking into a box and not hearing anything back .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Some data I collected in a couple weeks for training recognizers and email way back when .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Nothing to write home about .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} see this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} ontology node is probably something that I will try to expand . Once we have the full ontology API , what can we expect to get from the ontology ? And hopefully you can sort of also try to find out , you know , sooner or later in the course of the summer what we can expect to get from the discourse that might , you know {disfmarker} or the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "not the discourse , the utterance as it were , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "in terms of uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right , but we 're not expecting Keith to actually build a parser .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right , Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , no , no .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . We are expecting Johno to build a parser ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is {disfmarker} Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "By the end of the summer , too .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but that 's a {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No . Uh {disfmarker} He 's g he 's hoping to do this for his masters ' thesis s by a year from now .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But it 's sort of {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Hmm . Still , pretty formidable actually .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Eh - absolutely . Uh {disfmarker} limited . I mean , you know , the idea is {disfmarker} is ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the hope is that the parser itself is , uh , pretty robust . But it 's not popular {disfmarker} it 's only p only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right , Right . Existence proof , you know . Set up the infrastructure ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . It 's only popula",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um sometime , I have to talk to some subset of the people in this group , at least about um what sort of constructions I 'm looking for . I mean , you know obviously like just again , looking at this one uh thing , you know , I saw y things from {disfmarker} sort of as general as argument structure constructions . Oh , you know , I have to do Verb Phrase . I have to do uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} unbounded dependencies , you know , which have a variety of constructions in {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} instantiate that . On the other hand I have to have , you know , there 's particular uh , fixed expressions , or semi - fixed expressions like \" Get \" plus path expression for , you know , \" how d ho how do I get there ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" How do I get in ? \" , \" How do I get away ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and all that kind of stuff . Um , so there 's a variety of sort of different sorts of constructions",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and it {disfmarker} you know it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of like anything goes . Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , so this is {disfmarker} I think we 're gonna mainly work on with George .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , and hi let me f th {disfmarker} say what I think is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} so the idea is {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} first of all I misspoke when I said we thought you should do the constructions . Cause apparently for a linguist that means to do completely and perfectly . So what I {disfmarker} yeah , OK , {disfmarker} So what {disfmarker} what I meant was \" Do a first cut at \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "er {disfmarker} that 's what Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , Because uh {disfmarker} we do wanna get them r u perfectly {disfmarker} but I think we 're gonna have to do a first cut at a lot of them to see how they interact .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Of course . Right , exactly . Now it {disfmarker} w we talked about this before , right . And I {disfmarker} I me it would it would be completely out of the question to really do more than , say , like , oh I don't know , ten , over the summer ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but uh , but you know obviously we need to get sort of a general view of what things look like , so yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So the idea is going to be to do {disfmarker} sort of like Nancy did in some of the er these papers where you do enough of them so you can go from top to bottom {disfmarker} so you can do f you know , f f uh {disfmarker} have a complete story ov of s of some piece of dialogue .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's gonna be much more useful than having all of the clausal constructions and nothing else , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So that the {disfmarker} the trick is going to be t to take this and pick a {disfmarker} some sort of lattice of constructions ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "so some lexical and some phrasal , and {disfmarker} and , you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "whatever you need in order to uh , be able to then , uh , by hand , you know , explain , some fraction of the utterances .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And so , exactly which ones will partly depend on your research interests and a bunch of other things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Sure . OK . But I mean in terms of the s th sort of level of uh {disfmarker} of analysis , you know , these don't necessarily have to be more complex than like the \" Out of \" construction in the BCP paper where it 's just like , you know , half a page on each one or something .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Correct . Oh yeah {disfmarker} yeah . V a half a page is {disfmarker} is what we 'd like .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And if {disfmarker} if there 's something that really requires a lot more than that then it does and we have to do it ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "For the first cut , that should be fine , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We could sit down and think of sort of the {disfmarker} the ideal speaker utterances ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and I mean two or three that follow each other , so , where we can also sort of , once we have everything up and running , show the tremendous , insane inferencing capabilities of our system .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , you know , as {disfmarker} as the SmartKom people have . This is sort of their standard demo dialogue , which is , you know , what the system survives and nothing but that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , we could also sor sort of have the analogen of o our sample sentences , the ideal sentences where we have complete construction coverage and , sort of , they match nicely .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} the \" How do I get to X ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "you know , that 's definitely gonna be uh , a major one .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's about six times in this little one here , so uh , {vocalsound} yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Where is X ? \" might be another one which is not too complicated .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And um \" Tell me something about X . \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And hey , that 's {disfmarker} that 's already covering eighty percent of the system 's functionality .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ye - Right , but it 's not covering eighty percent of the intellectual interest .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , we can w throw in an \" Out of Film \" construction if you want to , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . Well the {disfmarker} th the thing is there 's a lot that needs to be done to get this right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , I th We done ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I have one bit of news .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , the action planner guy has wrote {disfmarker} has written a {disfmarker} a p lengthy {disfmarker} proposal on how he wants to do the action planning .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And I responded to him , also rather lengthy , how he should do the action planning . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "\" Action planning \" meaning \" Discourse Modeling \" ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . And I tacked on a little paragraph about the fact that the whole world calls that module a dis disc dialogue manager ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and wouldn't it make sense to do this here too ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And also Rainer M Malaka is going to be visiting us shortly , most likely in the beginning of June .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh , I 'll be gone .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . He - he 's just in a conference somewhere and he is just swinging through town .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sure , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker} m making me incapable of going to NAACL , for which I had funding . But . No , no Pittsburg this year .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "When is the uh Santa Barbara ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Who is going to ? uh should a lot of people . That 's something I will {disfmarker} would {disfmarker} sort of enjoy .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Probably should go . That was {disfmarker} that 's one you should probably go to .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "How much does it cost ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "There 's",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I haven't planned to go .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , probably we can uh {disfmarker} pay for it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um a student rate shouldn't be very high . So , if we all decide it 's a good idea for you to go then you 'll {disfmarker} we 'll pay for it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Then you can go .",
"speaker": "Undergrad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean I {disfmarker} I don't have a feeling one way or the other at the moment ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but it probably is . OK , great .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
}
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"answer": "The focus of the meeting was on a presentation of the work done already on the building of the Bayes-net. The complete prototype of the Bayes-net will be presented in the next meeting. After that, it will be possible to define interfaces and a dummy construction parser, in order to test and link modules together.",
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"answer": "The input layer deriving information from things like the user and situation models, feeds into a set of decision nodes, such as the Enter/View/Approach (EVA) endpoint. In any particular situation, most of the outputs will not be relevant to the given context. Therefore, they will either have to be pruned a posteriori, or only a subset of the possible decision nodes will be computed in each occasion.",
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"answer": "The presented Bayes-net takes inputs from the Situation, User, Discourse and Ontology models. There are several values (elements) defined in each of these models. The inputs are fed into the belief-net, which, in turn, outputs the posterior probabilities for the values of all the decision nodes. These comprise \"Go-there\", \"EVA\", \"Info-on\", \"Location\", \"Timing\", etc. At this stage, all the decision nodes are evenly weighted: regardless of the context, each output is trusted equally. Input and output node structure was presented in XML, as this is the format that will be used for the system. A large number of the value probabilities have already been set.",
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"content": "So I guess this is more or less now just to get you up to date , Johno . This is what , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "This is a meeting for me .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um , Eva , Bhaskara , and I did .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Did you add more stuff to it ? {pause} later ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um . Why ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um . I don't know . There were , like , the {disfmarker} you know , @ @ and all that stuff . But . I thought you {disfmarker} you said you were adding stuff",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but {pause} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} Um , Ha ! Very nice . Um , so we thought that , {vocalsound} We can write up uh , an element , and {disfmarker} for each of the situation nodes that we observed in the Bayes - net ? So . What 's the situation like at the entity that is mentioned ? if we know anything about it ? Is it under construction ? Or is it on fire or something {pause} happening to it ? Or is it stable ? and so forth , going all the way um , f through Parking , Location , Hotel , Car , Restroom , @ @ {comment} Riots , Fairs , Strikes , or Disasters .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So is {disfmarker} This is {disfmarker} A situation are {disfmarker} is all the things which can be happening right now ? Or , what is the situation type ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's basically {pause} just specifying the {disfmarker} the input for the {disfmarker} w what 's",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see y Why are you specifying it in XML ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um . Just because it forces us to be specific about the values {pause} here ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , also , I mean , this is a {disfmarker} what the input is going to be . Right ? So , we will , uh {disfmarker} This is a schema . This is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . I just don't know if this is th l what the {disfmarker} Does {disfmarker} This is what Java Bayes takes ? as a Bayes - net spec ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , because I mean if we {disfmarker} I mean we 're sure gonna interface to {disfmarker} We 're gonna get an XML document from somewhere . Right ? And that XML document will say \" We are able to {disfmarker} We were able to observe that w the element , um , @ @ {comment} of the Location that the car is near . \" So that 's gonna be {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {comment} Um .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So this is the situational context , everything in it . Is that what Situation is short for , shi situational context ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So this is just , again , a an XML schemata which defines a set of possible , uh , permissible XML structures , which we view as input into the Bayes - net . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And then we can r {pause} uh possibly run one of them uh transformations ? That put it into the format that the Bayes n or Java Bayes or whatever wants ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yea - Are you talking {disfmarker} are you talking about the {disfmarker} the structure ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean when you observe a node .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "When you {disfmarker} when you say {pause} the input to the {pause} v Java Bayes , {comment} it takes a certain format ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "right ? Which I don't think is this . Although I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's certainly not this . Nuh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So you could just {disfmarker} Couldn't you just run a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "XSL . {comment} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . To convert it into the Java Bayes for format ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} That 's no problem , but I even think that , um {disfmarker} I mean , once {disfmarker} Once you have this sort of as {disfmarker} running as a module {disfmarker} Right ? What you want is {disfmarker} You wanna say , \" OK , give me the posterior probabilities of the Go - there {pause} node , when this is happening . \" Right ? When the person said this , the car is there , it 's raining , and this is happening . And with this you can specify the {disfmarker} what 's happening in the situation , and what 's happening with the user . So we get {disfmarker} After we are done , through the Situation we get the User Vector . So , this is a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So this is just a specification of all the possible inputs ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And , all the possible outputs , too . So , we have , um , for example , the , uh , Go - there decision node",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "which has two elements , going - there and its posterior probability , and not - going - there and its posterior probability , because the output is always gonna be all the decision nodes and all the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} a all the posterior probabilities for all the values .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And then we would just look at the , eh , Struct that we wanna look at in terms of if {disfmarker} if we 're only asking about one of the {disfmarker} So like , if I 'm just interested in the going - there node , I would just pull that information out of the Struct that gets return that would {disfmarker} that Java Bayes would output ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , pretty much , yes , but I think it 's a little bit more complex . As , if I understand it correctly , it always gives you all the posterior probabilities for all the values of all decision nodes . So , when we input something , we always get the , uh , posterior probabilities for all of these . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So there is no way of telling it t not to tell us about the EVA {pause} values .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , wait I agree , that 's {disfmarker} yeah , use {disfmarker} oh , uh {pause} Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so we get this whole list of {disfmarker} of , um , things , and the question is what to do with it , what to hand on , how to interpret it , in a sense . So y you said if you {disfmarker} \" I 'm only interested in whether he wants to go there or not \" , then I just look at that node , look which one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Look at that Struct in the output ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Look at that Struct in the {disfmarker} the output , even though I wouldn't call it a \" Struct \" . But .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well i well , it 's an XML Structure that 's being res returned ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So every part of a structure is a \" Struct \" . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I just uh {disfmarker} I just was {disfmarker} abbreviated it to Struct in my head , and started going with that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That element or object , I would say .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Not a C Struct . That 's not what I was trying to k",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "though yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , um , the reason is {disfmarker} why I think it 's a little bit more complex or why {disfmarker} why we can even think about it as an interesting problem in and of itself is {disfmarker} Um . So . The , uh {disfmarker} Let 's look at an example .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , w wouldn't we just take the structure that 's outputted and then run another transformation on it , that would just dump the one that we wanted out ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . w We 'd need to prune . Right ? Throw things away .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , actually , you don't even need to do that with XML .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "D Can't you just look at one specific {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . The {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} Xerxes allows you to say , u \" Just give me the value of that , and that , and that . \" But , we don't really know what we 're interested in {pause} before we look at the complete {disfmarker} at {disfmarker} at the overall result . So the person said , um , \" Where is X ? \" and so , we want to know , um , is {disfmarker} Does he want info ? o on this ? or know the location ? Or does he want to go there ? Let 's assume this is our {disfmarker} our question .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nuh ? So . Um . Do this in Perl . So we get {disfmarker} OK . Let 's assume this is the output . So . We should con be able to conclude from that that {disfmarker} I mean . It 's always gonna give us a value of how likely we think i it is that he wants to go there and doesn't want to go there , or how likely it is that he wants to get information . But , maybe w we should just reverse this to make it a little bit more delicate . So , does he wanna know where it is ? or does he wanna go there ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "He wants to know where it is .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I tend to agree . And if it 's {disfmarker} If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well now , y I mean , you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And i if there 's sort of a clear winner here , and , um {disfmarker} and this is pretty , uh {disfmarker} indifferent , then we {disfmarker} then we might conclude that he actually wants to just know where , uh t uh , he does want to go there .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , out of curiosity , is there a reason why we wouldn't combine these three nodes ? into one smaller subnet ? that would just basically be {pause} the question for {disfmarker} We have \" where is X ? \" is the question , right ? That would just be Info - on or Location ? Based upon {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or Go - there . A lot of people ask that , if they actually just wanna go there . People come up to you on campus and say , \" Where 's the library ? \" You 're gonna say {disfmarker} y you 're gonna say , g \" Go down that way . \" You 're not gonna say \" It 's {disfmarker} It 's five hundred yards away from you \" or \" It 's north of you \" , or {disfmarker} \" it 's located {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean {disfmarker} But the {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} So you just have three decisions for the final node , that would link thes these three nodes in the net together .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um . I don't know whether I understand what you mean . But . Again , in this {disfmarker} Given this input , we , also in some situations , may wanna postulate an opinion whether that person wants to go there now the nicest way , use a cab , or so s wants to know it {disfmarker} wants to know where it is because he wants something fixed there , because he wants to visit t it or whatever . So , it {disfmarker} n I mean {disfmarker} a All I 'm saying is , whatever our input is , we 're always gonna get the full output . And some {disfmarker} some things will always be sort of too {disfmarker} not significant enough .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wha Or i or i it 'll be tight . You won't {disfmarker} it 'll be hard to decide .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , I guess {disfmarker} I guess the thing is , uh , this is another , smaller , case of reasoning in the case of an uncertainty , which makes me think Bayes - net should be the way to solve these things . So if you had {disfmarker} If for every construction ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "right ? you could say , \" Well , there {disfmarker} Here 's the Where - Is construction . \" And for the Where - Is construction , we know we need to l look at this node , that merges these three things together",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "as for th to decide the response . And since we have a finite number of constructions that we can deal with , we could have a finite number of nodes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Say , if we had to y deal with arbitrary language , it wouldn't make any sense to do that , because there 'd be no way to generate the nodes for every possible sentence .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But since we can only deal with a finite amount of stuff {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , basically , the idea is to f to feed the output of that belief - net into another belief - net .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so basically take these three things and then put them into another belief - net .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But , why {disfmarker} why {disfmarker} why only those three ? Why not the whol",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , d For the Where - Is question . So we 'd have a node for the Where - Is question .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But we believe that all the decision nodes are {disfmarker} can be relevant for the Where - Is , and the Where {disfmarker} How - do - I - get - to or the Tell - me - something - about .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You can come in if you want .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it is allowed .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "As long as y you 're not wearing your h your h headphones . Well , I do I {disfmarker} See , I don't know if this is a {pause} good idea or not . I 'm just throwing it out . But uh , it seems like we could have {disfmarker} I mea or uh we could put all of the all of the r information that could also be relevant {pause} into the Where - Is node answer",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "node thing stuff . And uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Let 's not forget we 're gonna get some very strong {pause} input from {pause} these sub dis from these discourse things , right ? So . \" Tell me the location of X . \" Nuh ? Or \" Where is X located at ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We u",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nuh ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know , but the Bayes - net would be able to {disfmarker} The weights on the {disfmarker} on the nodes in the Bayes - net would be able to do all that ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "wouldn't it ? Here 's a k Oh ! Oh , I 'll wait until you 're {pause} plugged in . Oh , don't sit there . Sit here . You know how you don't like that one . It 's OK . That 's the weird one . That 's the one that 's painful . That hurts . It hurts so bad . I 'm h I 'm happy that they 're recording that . That headphone . The headphone {pause} that you have to put on backwards , with the little {disfmarker} little thing {disfmarker} and the little {disfmarker} little foam block on it ? It 's a painful , painful microphone .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's th called \" the Crown \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The crown ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , versus \" the Sony \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The Crown ? Is that the actual name ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . The manufacturer .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I don't see a manufacturer on it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You w",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wait , here it is . h This thingy . Yeah , it 's \" The Crown \" . The crown of pain !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You 're on - line ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Are you {disfmarker} are your mike o Is your mike on ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Indeed .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So you 've been working with these guys ? You know what 's going on ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I have . And , I do . Yeah , alright . s So where are we ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We 're discussing this .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it can handle French , but anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . Assume we have something coming in . A person says , \" Where is X ? \" , and we get a certain {disfmarker} We have a Situation vector and a User vector and everything is fine ? An - an and {disfmarker} and our {disfmarker} and our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Did you just sti Did you just stick the m the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the microphone actually in the tea ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not drinking tea . What are you talking about ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "let 's just assume our Bayes - net just has three decision nodes for the time being . These three , he wants to know something about it , he wants to know where it is , he wants to go there .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "In terms of , these would be wha how we would answer the question Where - Is , right ? We u This is {disfmarker} i That 's what you s it seemed like , explained it to me earlier",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but , mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "w We {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we wanna know how to answer the question \" Where is X ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I can {disfmarker} I can do the Timing node in here , too , and say \" OK . \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , but in the s uh , let 's just deal with the s the simple case of we 're not worrying about timing or anything . We just want to know how we should answer \" Where is X ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , um , OK , and , Go - there has two values , right ? , Go - there and not - Go - there . Let 's assume those are the posterior probabilities of that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Info - on has True or False and Location . So , he wants to know something about it , and he wants to know something {disfmarker} he wants to know Where - it - is ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "has these values . And , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see why we can't do that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , um , in this case we would probably all agree that he wants to go there . Our belief - net thinks he wants to go there ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "In the , uh , whatever , if we have something like this here , and this like that and maybe here also some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You should probably {comment} make them out of {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "something like that ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "then we would guess , \" Aha ! He , our belief - net , {comment} has s stronger beliefs that he wants to know where it is , than actually wants to go {pause} there . \" Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That it {disfmarker} Doesn't this assume , though , that they 're evenly weighted ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} I guess they are evenly weighted .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The different decision nodes , you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the Go - there , the Info - on , and the Location ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , d yeah , this is making the assumption . Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by \" differently weighted \" ? They don't feed into anything really anymore .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , why do we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or I jus",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "If we trusted the Go - there node more th much more than we trusted the other ones , then we would conclude , even in this situation , that he wanted to go there .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Le",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , in that sense , we weight them equally right now .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Makes sense . Yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So the But I guess the k the question {disfmarker} that I was as er wondering or maybe Robert was proposing to me is {disfmarker} How do we d make the decision on {disfmarker} as to {disfmarker} which one to listen to ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , the final d decision is the combination of these three . So again , it 's {disfmarker} it 's some kind of , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Bayes - net .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK so , then , the question i So then my question is t to you then , would be {disfmarker} So is the only r reason we can make all these smaller Bayes - nets , because we know we can only deal with a finite set of constructions ? Cuz oth If we 're just taking arbitrary language in , we couldn't have a node for every possible question , you know ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "A decision node for every possible question , you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} like , in the case of {disfmarker} Yeah . In the ca Any piece of language , we wouldn't be able to answer it with this system , b if we just h Cuz we wouldn't have the correct node . Basically , w what you 're s proposing is a n Where - Is node , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and if we {disfmarker} And if someone {disfmarker} says , you know , uh , something in Mandarin to the system , we 'd - wouldn't know which node to look at to answer that question ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So is {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , but {disfmarker} but if we have a finite {disfmarker} What ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't see your point . What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what I am thinking , or what we 're about to propose here is we 're always gonna get the whole list of values and their posterior probabilities . And now we need an expert system or belief - net or something that interprets that , that looks at all the values and says , \" The winner is Timing . Now , go there . \" \" Uh , go there , Timing , now . \" Or , \" The winner is Info - on , Function - Off . \" So , he wants to know {pause} something about it , and what it does . Nuh ? Uh , regardless of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of the input . Wh - Regardle",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but But how does the expert {disfmarker} but how does the expert system know {disfmarker} how who which one to declare the winner , if it doesn't know the question it is , and how that question should be answered ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Based on the k what the question was , so what the discourse , the ontology , the situation and the user model gave us , we came up with these values for these decisions .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I know . But how do we weight what we get out ? As , which one i Which ones are important ? So my i So , if we were to it with a Bayes - net , we 'd have to have a node {disfmarker} for every question that we knew how to deal with , that would take all of the inputs and weight them appropriately for that question .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Does that make sense ? Yay , nay ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , I mean , are you saying that , what happens if you try to scale this up to the situation , or are we just dealing with arbitrary language ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is that your point ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , no . I {disfmarker} I guess my question is , Is the reason that we can make a node f or {disfmarker} OK . So , lemme see if I 'm confused . Are we going to make a node for every question ? Does that make sense ? {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "For every question ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or not .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Every construction .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . I don't {disfmarker} Not necessarily , I would think . I mean , it 's not based on constructions , it 's based on things like , uh , there 's gonna be a node for Go - there or not , and there 's gonna be a node for Enter , View , Approach .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Wel W OK . So , someone asked a question .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "How do we decide how to answer it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , look at {disfmarker} look {disfmarker} Face yourself with this pr question . You get this {disfmarker} You 'll have {disfmarker} y This is what you get . And now you have to make a decision . What do we think ? What does this tell us ? And not knowing what was asked , and what happened , and whether the person was a tourist or a local , because all of these factors have presumably already gone into making these posterior probabilities . What {disfmarker} what we need is a {disfmarker} just a mechanism that says , \" Aha ! There is {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I just don't think a \" winner - take - all \" type of thing is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in general , like , we won't just have those three , right ? We 'll have , uh , like , many , many nodes . So we have to , like {disfmarker} So that it 's no longer possible to just look at the nodes themselves and figure out what the person is trying to say .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Because there are interdependencies , right ? The uh {disfmarker} Uh , no . So if {disfmarker} if for example , the Go - there posterior possibility is so high , um , uh , w if it 's {disfmarker} if it has reached {disfmarker} reached a certain height , then all of this becomes irrelevant . So . If {disfmarker} even if {disfmarker} if the function or the history or something is scoring pretty good on the true node , true value {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wel I don't know about that , cuz that would suggest that {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "He wants to go there and know something about it ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Do they have to be mutual Yeah . Do they have to be mutually exclusive ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think to some extent they are . Or maybe they 're not .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I , uh {disfmarker} The way you describe what they meant , they weren't mutu uh , they didn't seem mutually exclusive to me .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , if he doesn't want to go there , even if the Enter posterior proba So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wel",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Go - there is No . Enter is High , and Info - on is High .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , just out of the other three , though , that you had in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "those three nodes . The - d They didn't seem like they were mutually exclusive .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , there 's {disfmarker} No . But {disfmarker} It 's through the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So th s so , yeah , but some {disfmarker} So , some things would drop out , and some things would still be important .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But I guess what 's confusing me is , if we have a Bayes - net to deal w another Bayes - net to deal with this stuff ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you know , uh , is the only reason {disfmarker} OK , so , I guess , if we have a Ba - another Bayes - net to deal with this stuff , the only r reason {pause} we can design it is cuz we know what each question is asking ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then , so , the only reason {disfmarker} way we would know what question he 's asking is based upon {disfmarker} Oh , so if {disfmarker} Let 's say I had a construction parser , and I plug this in , I would know what each construction {disfmarker} the communicative intent of the construction was",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and so then I would know how to weight the nodes appropriately , in response . So no matter what they said , if I could map it onto a Where - Is construction , I could say , \" ah !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ge Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "well the the intent , here , was Where - Is \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and I could look at those .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes , I mean . Sure . You do need to know {disfmarker} I mean , to have that kind of information .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , I 'm also agreeing that {pause} a simple pru {comment} Take the ones where we have a clear winner . Forget about the ones where it 's all sort of middle ground . Prune those out and just hand over the ones where we have a winner . Yeah , because that would be the easiest way . We just compose as an output an XML mes {vocalsound} message that says . \" Go there {pause} now . \" \" Enter historical information . \" And not care whether that 's consistent with anything . Right ? But in this case if we say , \" definitely he doesn't want to go there . He just wants to know where it is . \" or let 's call this {disfmarker} this \" Look - At - H \" He wants to know something about the history of . So he said , \" Tell me something about the history of that . \" Now , the e But for some reason the Endpoint - Approach gets a really high score , {pause} too . We can't expect this to be sort of at O point {comment} three , three , three , O point , three , three , three , O point , three , three , three . Right ? Somebody needs to zap that . You know ? Or know {disfmarker} There needs to be some knowledge that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} Yeah , but , the Bayes - net that would merge {disfmarker} I just realized that I had my hand in between my mouth and my micr er , my and my microphone . So then , the Bayes - net that would merge there , that would make the decision between Go - there , Info - on , and Location , would have a node to tell you which one of those three you wanted , and based upon that node , then you would look at the other stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it i Does that make sense ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . It 's sort of one of those , that 's {disfmarker} It 's more like a decision tree , if {disfmarker} if you want . You first look o at the lowball ones ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , i",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I didn't intend to say that every possible {disfmarker} OK . There was a confusion there , k I didn't intend to say every possible thing should go into the Bayes - net , because some of the things aren't relevant in the Bayes - net for a specific question . Like the Endpoint is not necessarily relevant in the Bayes - net for Where - Is until after you 've decided whether you wanna go there or not .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Show us the way , Bhaskara .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I guess the other thing is that um , yeah . I mean , when you 're asked a specific question and you don't even {disfmarker} Like , if you 're asked a Where - Is question , you may not even look {disfmarker} like , ask for the posterior probability of the , uh , EVA node , right ? Cuz , that 's what {disfmarker} I mean , in the Bayes - net you always ask for the posterior probability of a specific node . So , I mean , you may not even bother to compute things you don't need .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Aren't we always computing all ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No . You can compute , uh , the posterior probability of one subset of the nodes , given some other nodes , but totally ignore some other nodes , also . Basically , things you ignore get marginalized over .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that 's {disfmarker} that 's just shifting the problem . Then you would have to make a decision ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So you have to make {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "\" OK , if it 's a Where - Is question , which decision nodes do I query ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes . But I would think that 's what you want to do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's un",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , eventually , you still have to pick out which ones you look at .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's pretty much the same problem ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's apples and oranges .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Nuh ? I mean , maybe it does make a difference in terms of performance , computational time .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So either you always have it compute all the posterior possibilities for all the values for all nodes , and then prune the ones you think that are irrelevant ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or you just make a p @ @ {comment} a priori estimate of what you think might be relevant and query those .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So basically , you 'd have a decision tree {pause} query , {pause} Go - there . If k if that 's false , query this one . If that 's true , query that one . And just basically do a binary search through the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if it would necessarily be that , uh , complicated . But , uh {disfmarker} I mean , it w",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , in the case of Go - there , it would be . In the case {disfmarker} Cuz if you needed an If y If Go - there was true , you 'd wanna know what endpoint was . And if it was false , you 'd wanna d look at either Lo - Income Info - on or History .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true , I guess . Yeah , {vocalsound} so , in a way you would have that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Also , I 'm somewhat boggled by that Hugin software .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , why 's that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I can't figure out how to get the probabilities into it . Like , I 'd look at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's somewha It 's boggling me .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright . Well , hopefully it 's {pause} fixable .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ju",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , yeah . I d I just think I haven't figured out what {disfmarker} the terms in Hugin mean , versus what Java Bayes terms are .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um , by the way , are {disfmarker} Do we know whether Jerry and Nancy are coming ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So we can figure this out .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "They should come when they 're done their stuff , basically , whenever that is . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What d what do they need to do left ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , I guess , Jerry needs to enter marks , but I don't know if he 's gonna do that now or later . But , uh , if he 's gonna enter marks , it 's gonna take him awhile , I guess , and he won't be here .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And what 's Nancy doing ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nancy ? Um , she was sorta finishing up the , uh , calculation of marks and assigning of grades , but I don't know if she should be here . Well {disfmarker} or , she should be free after that , so {disfmarker} assuming she 's coming to this meeting . I don't know if she knows about it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "She 's on the email list , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is she ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK . Because basically , what {disfmarker} where we also have decided , prior to this meeting is that we would have a rerun of the three of us sitting together",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "sometime {pause} this week {pause} again",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and finish up the , uh , values of this . So we have , uh {disfmarker} Believe it or not , we have all the bottom ones here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You added a bunch of {pause} nodes , for {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} Actually what we have is this line .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , what do the , uh , structures do ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} For instance , this Location node 's got two inputs ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Four inputs .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "that one you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Those are {disfmarker} The bottom things are inputs , also .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , that was OK . That makes a lot more sense to me now .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I thought it was like , that one in Stuart 's book about , you know , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alarm in the dog ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "U Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or the earthquake and the alarm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Yeah , I 'm confusing two .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's a dog one , too , but that 's in Java Bayes ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But there 's something about bowel problems or something with the dog .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And we have all the top ones , all the ones to which no arrows are pointing . What we 're missing are the {disfmarker} these , where arrows are pointing , where we 're combining top ones . So , we have to come up with values for this , and this , this , this , and so forth . And maybe just fiddle around with it a little bit more . And , um . And then it 's just , uh , edges , many of edges . And , um , we won't {comment} meet next Monday . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz of Memorial Day ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We 'll meet next Tuesday , I guess .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "When 's Jerry leaving for {disfmarker} Italia ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker} on Friday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which Friday ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} this Friday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . This Friday ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ugh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "This Friday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "As in , four days ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Or , three days ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is he {disfmarker} How long is he gone for ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Two weeks .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Italy , huh ? What 's , uh {disfmarker} what 's there ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's a country . Buildings . People .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Pasta .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But it 's not a conference or anything .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "He 's just visiting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Just visiting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Vacation .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's a pretty nice place , in my brief , uh , encounter with it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Do you guys {disfmarker} Oh , yeah . So . Part of what we actually want to do is sort of schedule out what we want to surprise him with when {disfmarker} when he comes back . Um , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I think we should disappoint him .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? You {disfmarker} or have a finished construction parser and a working belief - net , and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That wouldn't be disappointing . I think w we should do absolutely no work for the two weeks that he 's gone .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's actually what I had planned , personally . I had {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I had sort of scheduled out in my mind that you guys do a lot of work , and I do nothing . And then , I sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , that sounds good , too .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "sort of bask in {disfmarker} in your glory . But , uh , i do you guys have any vacation plans , because I myself am going to be , um , gone , but this is actually not really important . Just this weekend we 're going camping .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm wanna be this {disfmarker} gone this weekend , too .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ah . But we 're all going to be here on Tuesday again ? Looks like it ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , then . Let 's meet {disfmarker} meet again next Tuesday . And , um , finish up this Bayes - net . And once we have finished it , I guess we can , um {disfmarker} and that 's going to be more just you and me , because Bhaskara is doing probabilistic , recursive , structured , object - oriented , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Killing machines !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "reasoning machines .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Killing , reasoning . What 's the difference ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Wait . So you 're saying , next Tuesday , is it the whole group meeting , or just us three working on it , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh . The whole group . And we present our results , our final ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "definite {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , when you were saying we {pause} need to do a re - run of , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "h What ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} Like , just working out the rest of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We should do this th the upcoming days .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "This week ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , this week , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "When you say , \" the whole group \" , you mean {pause} the four of us , and Keith ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And , Ami might .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Ami might be here , and it 's possible that Nancy 'll be here ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Because , th you know , once we have the belief - net done {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You 're just gonna have to explain it to me , then , on Tuesday , how it 's all gonna work out . You know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We will . OK . Because then , once we have it sort of up and running , then we can start you know , defining the interfaces and then feed stuff into it and get stuff out of it , and then hook it up to some fake construction parser and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That you will have in about nine months or so .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The first bad version 'll be done in nine months .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I can worry about the ontology interface and you can {disfmarker} Keith can worry about the discourse . I mean , this is pretty {disfmarker} Um , I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hope everybody uh knows that these are just going to be uh dummy values , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "where the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which ones ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "S so {disfmarker} so if the endpoint {disfmarker} if the Go - there is Yes and No , then Go - there - discourse will just be fifty - fifty . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , what do you mean ? If the Go - there says No , then the Go - there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't get it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't u understand .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Like , the Go - there depends on all those four things .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , what are the values of the Go - there - discourse ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it depends on the situation . If the discourse is strongly indicating that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but , uh , we have no discourse input .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . The d See , uh , specifically in our situation , D and O are gonna be , uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Sure . So , whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , so far we have {disfmarker} Is that what the Keith node is ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And you 're taking it out ? {pause} for now ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is D {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , this , I can {disfmarker} I can get it in here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "All the D 's are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I can get it in here , so th We have the , uh , um , sk let 's {disfmarker} let 's call it \" Keith - Johno",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Johno ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "node \" . There is an H {comment} somewhere printed .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Well , it 's just the difference between voiced and unvoiced .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "And not meet tomorrow ?",
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"content": "Sure .",
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"content": "OK . I 'll send an email , make a time suggestion .",
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"content": "No , we . Like , when people do this kind of thing .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "I have not {comment} the slightest idea .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Well , you can come up with new constructions .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"answer": "An idea for future work was suggested during the visit of the german project manager: the possibility to use the same system for language generation. Setting up certain inputs in the Bayes-net would imply certain intentions, which would trigger dialogues. There is potential to make a conference paper out of presenting the current work and the project aspirations within a parsing paradigm. The focus should be the Bayes-net, to which all other modules interface. Situation, User, Discourse and Ontology feed into the net to infer user intentions. It was suggested that they start analysing what the Discourse and Ontology would give as inputs to the Bayes-net.",
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"answer": "An idea for future work was suggested during the visit of the german project manager: the possibility to use the same system for language generation. Setting up certain inputs in the Bayes-net would imply certain intentions, which would trigger dialogues. Having a system able to ask questions could contribute significantly to training the belief-net. The possibility of incorporating language generation into the system will have to be discussed further.",
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"content": "Yes . Whew ! I almost forgot {pause} about the meeting . I woke up twenty minutes ago , thinking , what did I forget ?",
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"content": "It 's great how the br brain sort of does that .",
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"content": "Something 's not right here .",
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"content": "Internal alarms .",
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"content": "OK . So the news for me is A , my forthcoming travel plans",
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"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? More or less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for a couple , three days .",
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"content": "Now what are y what are you doing there ? I forgot ?",
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"content": "OK , I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simon there with his grandparents . And then I 'm flying to Germany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which is the meeting of all the module - responsible people in SmartKom ,",
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"content": "Mmm .",
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"content": "and , represent ICI and myself I guess there . And um . That 's the mmm actual reason . And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to {vocalsound} meet the very big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my son come back here on the fourth of July . And uh .",
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"content": "What a great time to be coming back to the",
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"content": "God bless America .",
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"content": "You 'll see maybe {disfmarker} see the fireworks from your plane coming in .",
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"content": "And I 'm sure all the {disfmarker} the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day .",
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"content": "Yeah . You 'll get even better service than usual .",
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{
"content": "Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?",
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Alitalia .",
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{
"content": "Oh . Well then the {disfmarker} you know , it 's not a big deal . Once you get to the United States it 'll be a problem , but",
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"content": "Yeah . And um , that 's that bit of news , and the other bit of news is we had {disfmarker} you know , uh , I was visited by my German project manager who A , did like what we did {disfmarker} what we 're doing here , and B , is planning to come here either three weeks in July or three weeks in August , to actually work .",
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"content": "On {disfmarker} ?",
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{
"content": "With us .",
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"content": "Oh .",
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"content": "And we sat around and we talked and he came up {disfmarker} we came up {disfmarker} with a pretty strange idea . And that 's what I 'm gonna lay on you now . And um , maybe it might be ultimately the most interesting thing for Eva because she has been known to complain about the fact that the stuff we do here is not weird enough .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Oh great .",
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"content": "Imagine if you will , {vocalsound} that we have a system that does all that understanding that we want it to do based on utterances .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "It should be possible to make that system produce questions . So if you have the knowledge of how to interpret \" where is X ? \" under given conditions , situational , user , discourse and ontological {vocalsound} conditions , you should also be able to make that same system ask \" where is X ? \"",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "in a sper certain way , based on certain intentions . So in instead of just being able to observe phenomenon , um , and , guess the intention we might be able just to sort of give it an intention , and make it produce an utterance .",
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"content": "Hmm .",
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"content": "Well , like in AI they generally do the take in , and then they also do the generation phase , like Nancy 's thing . Or uh , you remember , in the {disfmarker} the hand thing in one - eighty - two , like not only was it able to recognize but it was also to generate based upon situations . You mean that sort of thing ?",
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"content": "Absolutely .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "And once you 've done that what we can do is have the system ask itself . And answer , understand the answer , ask something else , and enter a dialogue with itself . So the {disfmarker} the ba basic {disfmarker} the same idea as having two chess computers play against each other .",
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"content": "Except this smacks a little bit more of a schizophrenic computer than AI .",
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"content": "Yeah you c if you want , you can have two parallel {vocalsound} machines um , asking each other . What would that give us ? Would A be something completely weird and strange , and B , i if you look at all the factors , we will never observe people let 's say , in wheelchairs under {disfmarker} you know , in {disfmarker} under all conditions ,",
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"content": "That 's good .",
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"content": "you know , when they say \" X \" , and there is a ride at the goal , and the parking is good , we can never collect enough data . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not possible .",
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"content": "Well , once the system understands things .",
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"content": "Yeah . No problem .",
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"content": "Yeah . Well , if we can get it to understand one thing , like our \" where is \" run through we can also , maybe , e make it say , or ask \" where is X ? \" Or not .",
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"content": "Mmm , I don't know . e I 'm sort of {disfmarker} have the impression that getting it to say the right thing in the right circumstances is much more difficult than getting it to understand something given the circumstances and so on , you know , I mean just cuz it 's sort of harder to learn to speak correctly in a foreign language , rather than learning to understand it . Right ? I mean",
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"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "But , um , I think it 'd be fun to look at it , or into that question .",
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"content": "Nnn , yeah .",
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"content": "Well we 'd have to seed that , I mean .",
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"content": "No . Let 's {disfmarker} we have to {disfmarker} we have some {disfmarker} some top - down processing , given certain setting . OK , now we change nothing , and just say ask something . Right ?",
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"content": "What would it ask ?",
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"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Which means that we 'd need to set up an intention inside of the system . Right ? Which is basically , \" I don't know where something is and I need to go there \" .",
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"content": "Eh , n",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "s It 's {disfmarker} i I know it 's {disfmarker} it 's strange , but look at it {disfmarker} look at our Bayes - net . If we don't have {disfmarker} Let 's assume we don't have any input from the language . Right ? So there 's also nothing we could query the ontology , but we have a certain user setting . If you just ask , what is the likelihood of that person wanting to enter some {disfmarker} something , it 'll give you an answer .",
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"content": "Sure .",
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"content": "Right ? That 's just how they are . And so , @ @ whatever that is , it 's the generic default intention . That it would find out . Which is , wanting to know where something is , maybe nnn {disfmarker} and wanting {disfmarker} I don't know what it 's gonna be , but there 's gonna be something that",
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well you can observe some user and context stuff and ask , what 's the posterior probabilities of all of our decision nodes .",
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"content": "And , have it talk about {disfmarker} OK .",
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"content": "You could even say , \" let 's take all the priors , let 's observe nothing \" , and query all the posterior probabilities . It - it 's gonna tell us something . Right ?",
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"content": "Well , it will d r assign values to all the nodes . Yes .",
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"content": "And {disfmarker} Yes . And come up with posterior probabilities for all the values of the decision nodes . Which , if we have an algorithm that filters out whatever the {disfmarker} the best or the most consistent answer out of that , will give us the intention ex nihilo . And that is exactly what would happen if we ask it to produce an utterance , it would be b based on that extension , ex nihilo , which we don't know what it is , but it 's there . So we wouldn't even have to {disfmarker} t to kick start it by giving it a certain intention or observing anything on the decision node . And whatever that {disfmarker} maybe that would lead to \" what is the castle ? \" ,",
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"content": "or \" what is that whatever \" .",
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"content": "I guess what I 'm afraid of is if we don't , you know , set up a {pause} situation , {comment} we 'll just get a bunch of garbage out , like you know , everything 's exactly thirty percent .",
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"content": "No {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Mmm .",
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"content": "Yeah . So what we actually then need to do is {disfmarker} is write a little script that changes all the settings , you know , go goes through all the permutations , which is {disfmarker} we did a {disfmarker} didn't we calculate that once ?",
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"content": "Well that was {disfmarker} that was absurdly low , in the last meeting ,",
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"content": "And like thirty input nodes",
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"content": "thirty input nodes .",
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"content": "So to test every output node , uh , would at least {disfmarker} Let 's see , so it would be two to the thirty for every output node ? Which is very th very large .",
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"content": "Oh ! That 's n",
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"content": "Oh .",
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"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's nothing for those neural guys . I mean , they train for millions and millions of epochs .",
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"content": "Well , I 'm talking about",
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"content": "So .",
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"content": "Oh , I was gonna take a drink of my water . I 'm talking about billions and billions and billions and a number {disfmarker} two to the thirty is like a Bhaskara said , we had calculated out and Bhaskara believes that it 's larger than the number of particles in the universe . And if i",
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"content": "I don't know if that 's right or not . Th - that 's big . That 's just {disfmarker} That 's uh {disfmarker} It 's a billion , right ?",
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"content": "Two to the thirty ? Well , two to the thirty is a billion , but if we have to do it two to the twenty times , then that 's a very very large number .",
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"content": "Right . Argh . Oh , OK . Yeah . Yeah , that 's big .",
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"content": "Cuz you have to query the node , for every a uh , or query the net two to the twenty times .",
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"content": "Sure . Alright .",
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"content": "Or not two to th excuse me , twenty times .",
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"content": "OK . So , is it t comes to twenty billion or something ?",
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"content": "Yes . As far as {disfmarker}",
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"content": "That 's pretty big , though .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "That 's @ @ {disfmarker} That 's big . Actually {disfmarker} Oh ! We calculated a different number before . How did we do that ?",
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"content": "Hmm .",
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"content": "I remember there being some other one floating around . But anyway , uh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "I don't really know .",
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"content": "Yeah , it 's g Anyway , the point is that given all of these different factors , it 's uh e it 's {disfmarker} it 's still going to be impossible to run through all of the possible situations or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Ooo , it 's just big .",
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"content": "But I mean , this 'll get us a bit closer at least , right ? I mean .",
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"content": "If it takes us a second to do , for each one , and let 's say it 's twenty billion , {comment} then that 's twenty billion seconds , which is {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Eva , do the math .",
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"content": "Can't .",
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"content": "Long !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Hours and hours and hours and hours . But we can do randomized testing .",
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"content": "Tah - dah !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Which probabilistically will be good enough .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . So , it be it it 's an idea that one could n for {disfmarker} for example run {disfmarker} run past , um , what 's that guy 's name ? You know ? He - he 's usually here . Tsk . J J Jer - Jerj",
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"content": "Here in the group ? Jerry Feldman .",
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"content": "Oh , yeah . That 's the guy . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we g",
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"content": "Wait , who ?",
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"content": "Yeah , i that would the g the bald guy .",
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"content": "Oh ! My advisor !",
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"content": "And um . so this is just an idea that 's floating around and we 'll see what happens . And um , hmm , what other news do I have ? Well we fixed some more things from the SmartKom system , but that 's not really of general interest , Um , Oh ! Questions , yeah . I 'll ask Eva about the E Bayes and she 's working on that . How is the generation XML thing ?",
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"content": "I 'm gonna work on that today and tomorrow .",
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"content": "OK . No need to do it today or tomorrow even . Do it next week or {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I 'm gonna finish it today , uh hopefully .",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "I wanna do one of those things where I stay here . Cuz uh , if I go home , I can't finish it . I 've tried about five times so far , where I work for a while and then I 'm like , I 'm hungry . So I go home , and then I think {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I 'm not going back .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah . Either that or I think to myself , I can work at home . And then I try to work at home , but I fail miserably .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Like I ended up at Blakes last night .",
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"content": "Non - conducive .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "No . I almost got into a brawl . But I did not finish the uh , But I 've been looking into it . I th @ @ It 's not like it 's a blank slate . I found everything that I need and stu and uh ,",
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"content": "At the b uh furthermore , I told Jerry that I was gonna finish it before he got back . So .",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "That 's approaching . He 's coming back when ? Uh next {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well , I think {disfmarker} we think we 'll see him definitely on Tuesday for the next {disfmarker} Or , no , wait . The meetings are on Thursday .",
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"content": "Maybe .",
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"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Who knows .",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well , we 'll see him next week .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "That 's good . Yeah . The paper .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "I was thinking about that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "I think I will try to work on the SmartKom stuff and I 'll {disfmarker} if I can finish it today , I 'll help you with that tomorrow , if you work on it ? I don't have a problem with us working on it though ? So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "And it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "So you would say it 's funky cool .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "I mean we just {disfmarker} I mean it wouldn't hurt to write up a paper , cuz then , I mean , yeah {disfmarker} I was talking with Nancy and Nancy said , you don't know whether you have a paper to {pause} write up until you write it up . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "And since Jerry 's coming back , we can run it by him too . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yep . Um , what 's your input ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Well , um , I don't have much experience with uh , conference papers for compu in the computer science realm , and so when I looked at what you had , which was apparently a complete submission , I just sort of said what {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I didn't really know what to do with it , like , this is the sort of the basic outline of the system or whatever , or {disfmarker} or \" here 's an idea \" , right ? That 's what that paper was , \" here 's {disfmarker} here 's one possible thing you could do \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "short , eight pages , and I just don't know what you have in mind for expanding . Like I 'd {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} what I didn't do is go to the web site of the conference and look at what they 're looking for or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , it seems to me that um {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Wait , is this a computer science conference or is it a {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Um , well it 's more {disfmarker} It 's both , right ? It 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of t cognitive , neural , psycho , linguistic , but all for the sake of doing computer science . So it 's sort of cognitive , psycho , neural , plausibly motivated , architectures of natural language processing . So it seems pretty interdisciplinary , and I mean , w w the keynote speaker is Tomasello and blah - blah - blah ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Right . Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "so , W the {disfmarker} the question is what could we actually do and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and keep a straight face while doing it .",
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"content": "Well , I really can't keep a straight face doing anything .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "And i My idea is ,",
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"content": "Setting that aside .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "well , you can say we have done a little bit and that 's this , and uh sort of the rest is position paper , \" we wanna also do that \" . Which is not too good . Might be more interesting to do something like let 's assume um , we 're right , we have as Jerry calls it , a delusion of adequacy , and take a \" where is X \" sentence ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and say , \" we will just talk about this , and how we cognitively , neurally , psycho - linguistically , construction grammar - ally , motivated , envision uh , understanding that \" .",
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"content": "Mmm .",
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"content": "So we can actually show how we parse it . That should be able to {disfmarker} we should be able to come up with , you know , a sort of a {disfmarker} a parse .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Right .",
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"content": "It 's on , just {disfmarker} just put it on .",
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"content": "I 'm OK .",
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"content": "Did Ben harass you ?",
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"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Was he supposed to harass me ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yes .",
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"content": "Well , he just told me that you came looking for me .",
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"content": "Oh .",
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"content": "figure this out .",
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"content": "You will suffer in hell , you know that .",
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"content": "Backwards . There 's a s diagram somewhere which tells you how to put that {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I know , I didn't understand that either !",
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"content": "No wait . You have to put it on exactly like that ,",
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"content": "This is it . Yeah .",
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"content": "so put that {disfmarker} those things over your ears like that .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "See the p how the plastic things ar arch out like that ? There we go .",
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "It does ! I 'm sorry I didn't mean to {disfmarker}",
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"content": "But that 's what you get for coming late to the meeting .",
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"content": "I 'm sorry . I 'm sorry , oh these are all the same . OK ! th this is not very {pause} on target .",
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"content": "Shoot .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah , it is .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Alright , you guys can continue talking about whatever you were talking about before .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "We 're talking about this um , alleged paper that we may , just , sort of w",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Oh ! Which Johno mentioned to me . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah . And I just sort of brought forth the idea that we take a sentence , \" Where is the Powder - Tower \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "and we {disfmarker} we p pretend to parse it , we pretend to understand it , and we write about it .",
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"content": "Hmm . About how {vocalsound} all of these things {disfmarker}",
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"content": "What 's the part that 's not pretend ? The writing ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "OK , then we pretend to write about .",
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"content": "The submitting to a major international conference . {comment} {comment} Yeah .",
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"content": "Tha - {vocalsound} Which conference is it for ?",
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"content": "It 's the whatever , architectures , eh you know , where {disfmarker} There is this conference , it 's the seventh already international conference , on neu neurally , cognitively , motivated , architectures of natural language processing .",
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"content": "Oh . Wow . Interesting .",
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"content": "And the keynote speakers are Tomasello , MacWhinney ?",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "So maybe you wanna write something too .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mmm . {vocalsound} Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "is {disfmarker} is it normally like {disfmarker} like , dialogue systems , or , you know , other NLP - ish things ?",
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"content": "Oh , it 's cognitive . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Even neuro .",
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"content": "And uh , both learning and like , comprehension , production , that kinda stuff .",
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"content": "Psycho . You could look at the web site .",
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"content": "OK . I don't know about it .",
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"content": "And the ad and {disfmarker} and the deadline is the fifteenth of June .",
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"content": "Yeah that 's pretty soon .",
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Hey . Plenty of time .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Why , we 've got over a week !",
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"content": "It would be nice to go write two papers actually . Yeah . And one {disfmarker} one from your perspective , and one from our peve per per",
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "Um .",
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"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I also think that if we sort of write about what we have done in the past six months , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we could sort of craft a nice little paper that {pause} if it gets rejected , which could happen , doesn't hurt",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "It 's a nice exercise , it 's {disfmarker} I usually enjoy writing papers . It 's not {disfmarker} I don't re regard it as a painful thing .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . It 's fun .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "And um , we should all do more for our publication lists . And . It just never hurts . And Keith and - or Johno will go , probably .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Will I ?",
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"content": "When is it and where ?",
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"content": "I would say that 's closer to six pages actually . Four thousand lines of ASCII ?",
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"content": "Four thousand lines . I mean . Isn't a isn't it about fifty s fifty five , sixty lines to a page ?",
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"content": "Look at the web page and let 's talk about it maybe tomorrow afternoon ?",
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "I 'm sorry . I 'm sorry , I 'm sorry . Sorry .",
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"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "And say , this is bad . Nuh ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "And then we can say , uh well what we do is this .",
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . And",
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"content": "And how much to get into the cognitive neural part ?",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "And people will sort of figure out or ask about the bits that are implicit .",
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"content": "Yeah . So this will be sort of documenting what we think , and documenting what we have in terms of the Bayes - net stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "And since there 's never a bad idea to document things , no ?",
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"content": "That would be my , uh {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} we should sketch out the details maybe tomorrow afternoon - ish , if everyone is around . I don't know . You probably wouldn't be part of it .",
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"content": "I remember you talking to me , just not what you said .",
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"content": "or whether the construction was gonna be in the Bayes - net ,",
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"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah sure .",
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Oh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , also he 's talking about suicide , and that 's {disfmarker} that 's not a notion I wanna have evoked .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , he 's not . Really ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "He is .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oops . {comment} I didn't really listen to it ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I was too young .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It sounds too rocking for that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway . So , what 's going on here ? So what are {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Was wollte der Kuenstler uns damit sagen ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Stop excluding me .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so we have tons of little things here ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I can't believe that that 's never been thought of before .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and we 've",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wait , what are the dots ? I don't remember what the dots were .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Those are little bugs .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Cool Keith .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , these are our , whatever , belief - net decision nodes , and they all contribute to these {pause} {nonvocalsound} things down here .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Wait , wait , what 's the middle thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's EDU .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a c",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "e e Our e e e",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But wh I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You . We . Us .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But what is it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , in the moment it 's a Bayes - net . And it has sort of fifty not - yet - specified interfaces . OK . Eh {pause} I have taken care that we actually can build little interfaces , {nonvocalsound} to other modules that will tell us whether the user likes these things and , n the {disfmarker} or these things , and he {disfmarker} whether he 's in a wheelchair or not ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Is that supposed to be the international sign for interface ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd never seen it before either .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Just t Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz things fit onto that , see ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "In a vaguely obscene fashion .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , this is a RME core by agent design , I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's so great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's maybe a different",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So wait , what a what are these letters again , Situr - {comment} Situation , User , Discourse and",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Situation , user , d ontology .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "User ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ontology .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What about the utterance ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Discourse .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's here .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , discourse . So that 's not like context , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Discourse is all things linguistic , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So this {disfmarker} this includes the {disfmarker} the current utterance plus all the previous utterances .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Interesting , uh - huh . User .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And for example w i s I Irena Gurevich is going to be here eh , end of July .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "User .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "She 's a new linguist working for EML . And what she would like to do for example is great for us . She would like to take the ent ontolog",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ouch .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , we have discussed in terms of the EVA {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Grateful for us ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Did you just say grateful for us ? OK , sorry . Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Think of {disfmarker} back at the EVA vector , and Johno coming up with the idea that if the person discussed the {disfmarker} discussed the admission fee , in {disfmarker} eh previously , that might be a good indication that , \" how do I get to the castle ? \" , actually he wants to enter .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or , you know , \" how do I get to X ? \" discussing the admission fee in the previous utterance , is a good indication .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So we don't want a hard code , a set of lexemes , or things , that person 's you know , sort of filter , or uh search the discourse history .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So what would be kind of cool is that if we encounter concepts that are castle , tower , bank , hotel , we run it through the ontology , and the ontology tells us it has um , admission , opening times , it has admission fees , it has this , it has that , and then we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we make a thesaurus lexicon , look up , and then search dynamically through the uh , discourse history for {pause} occurrences of these things in a given window of utterances .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And that might , you know , give us additional input to belief A versus B . Or E versus A .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not just a particular word 's {disfmarker} OK , so the {disfmarker} you 're looking for a few keys that you know are cues to {disfmarker} sorry , a few specific cues to some intention .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You can dynamically look up keys , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so , wait {disfmarker} so um , since this {disfmarker} since this sort of technical stuff is going over my head ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And then grep , basically .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the point is that you uh {disfmarker} that when someone 's talking about a castle , you know that it 's the sort of thing that people are likely to wanna go into ? Or , is it the fact that if there 's an admission fee , then one of the things we know about admission fees is that you pay them in order to go in ? And then the idea of entering is active in the discourse or something ? And then",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "blah - blah - blah ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the idea is even more general .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The idea is to say , we encounter a certain entity in a {disfmarker} in a in a utterance . So le let 's look up everything we {disfmarker} the ontology gives us about that entity , what stuff it does , what roles it has , what parts , whatever it has . Functions . And , then we look in the discourse , whether any of that , or any surface structure corresponding to these roles , functions aaa {comment} has ever occurred .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And then , the discourse history can t tell us , \" yeah \" , or \" no \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And then it 's up for us to decide what to do with it . t So i",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker} No , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , we may think that if you say um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} \" where is the theater \" , um , whether or not he has talked about tickets before , then we {disfmarker} he 's probably wanna go there to see something .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Or \" where is the opera in Par - Paris ? ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah ? Lots of people go to the opera to take pictures of it and to look at it ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and lots of people go to attend a performance .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And , the discourse can maybe tell us w what 's more likely if we know what to look for in previous statements . And so we can hard code \" for opera , look for tickets , look for this , look for that ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or look for Mozart , look for thi \" but the smarter way is to go via the ontology and dynamically , then look up u stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . But you 're still doing look up so that when the person {disfmarker} So the point is that when the person says , \" where is it ? \" then you sort of say , let 's go back and look at other things and then decide , rather than the other possibility which is that {pause} all through discourse as they talk about different things {disfmarker} You know like w prior to the \" where is it \" question they say , you know , \" how much does it cost to get in , you know , to {disfmarker} to see a movie around here \" , um , {vocalsound} \" where is the closest theater \" {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the point is that by mentioning admission fees , that just sort of stays active now .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You know . That becomes part of like , their sort of current ongoing active conceptual structure .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And then , um , over in your Bayes - net or whatever , when {disfmarker} when the person says \" where is it \" , you 've already got , you know since they were talking about admission , and that evokes the idea of entering , um , then when they go and ask \" where is it \" , then you 're Enter node is already active",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "because that 's what the person is thinking about .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's the sort of cognitive linguistic - y way ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , e ultimately that 's also what we wanna get at .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and probably not practical .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's the correct way . So , of course we have to keep memory of what was the last intention , and how does it fit to this , and what does it tell us , in terms of {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} what we 're examining .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And furthermore , I mean we can idealize that , you know , people don't change topics ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but they do . But , even th for that , there is a student of ours who 's doing a dialogue act um , recognition module .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , maybe , we 're even in a position where we can take your approach , which is of course much better , as to say how {disfmarker} how do these pieces {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . And much harder to r program .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And much harder to p to program .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . How {disfmarker} how do these pieces fit together ? Uh - huh . And um . But , OK , nevertheless . So these are issues but we {disfmarker} what we actually decided last week , is to , and this is , again , for your benefit {disfmarker} is to um , pretend we have observed and parsed an utterance such as \" where is the Powder - Tower \" , or \" where is the zoo \" , and specify um , what {disfmarker} what we think the {disfmarker} the output uh , observe , out {disfmarker} i input nodes for our Bayes - nets for the sub sub - D , for the discourse bit , should be . So that {disfmarker} And I will {disfmarker} I will then {comment} {vocalsound} come up with the ontology side uh , bits and pieces , so that we can say , OK we {disfmarker} we always just look at this utterance . That 's the only utterance we can do , it 's hard coded , like Srini , sort of hand parsed , hand crafted , but this is what we hope to be able to observe in general from utterances , and from ontologies , and then we can sort of fiddle with these things to see what it actually produces , in terms of output .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So we need to find out what the \" where is X \" construction will give us in terms of semantics and {vocalsound} Simspec type things .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} OK . Just \" where is X \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Or any variants of that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No ! Um , look at it this way , i Yeah . What did we decide . We decided sort of the {disfmarker} the prototypical \" where is X \" , where you know , we don't really know , does he wanna go there , or just wanna know where it is .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well we were",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the difference of \" where is the railway station \" , versus where {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} \" where is Greenland \" . Nuh ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh s I was just dancing , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We 're not videotaping any of this . So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} ah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , um , we 're supposed to {disfmarker} I mean we 're talking about sort of anything that has the semantics of request for location , right ? actually ? Or , I mean , anyway , the node in the uh {disfmarker} the ultimate , uh , in {disfmarker} in the Bayes - net thing when you 're done , the {disfmarker} the node that we 're talking about um , is one that says \" request for location , true \" , or something like that , right ? Um , and {disfmarker} and exactly how that gets activated , you know , like whether we want the sentence \" how do I get there ? \" to activate that node or not , you know , that 's {disfmarker} that 's sort of the issue that sort of the linguistic - y side has to deal with , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it {disfmarker} Yea - Nnn Well actually more {disfmarker} m more the other way around . We wanted something that represents uncertainty uh we in terms of going there or just wanting to know where it is , for example . Some generic information .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And so this is prototypically @ @ found in the \" where is something \" question , surface structure ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "We",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "which can be p you know , should be maps to something that activates both . I mean the idea is to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Alright , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hhh . I guess . I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "let 's have it fit nicely with the paper .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't see unde how we would be able to distinguish between the two intentions just from the g utterance , though .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , uh bef or , before we don't {disfmarker} before we cranked it through the Bayes - net . I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} we wouldn't . That 's exactly what we want .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We would ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We want to get {disfmarker} No . We wouldn't .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , but then so basically it 's just a {disfmarker} for every construction we have a node in the net , right ? And we turn on that node .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . What {disfmarker} what is this gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oy .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . What is the uh {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And then given that we know that {pause} the construction {pause} has these two things , we can set up probabilities {disfmarker} we can s basically define all the tables for ev for those {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it should be {disfmarker} So we have um , i let 's assume we {disfmarker} we call something like a loc - X node and a path - X node . And what we actually get if we just look at the discourse , \" where is X \" should activate or should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Should be both , whereas maybe \" where is X located \" , we find from the data , is always just asked when the person wants to know where it is , and \" how do I get to \" is always asked when the person just wants to know how to get there . Right ? So we want to sort of come up with what gets uh , input , and how inter in case of a \" where is \" question . So what {disfmarker} what would the outcome of {disfmarker} of your parser look like ? And , what other discourse information from the discourse history could we hope to get , squeeze out of that utterance ? So define the {disfmarker} the input into the Bayes - net {vocalsound} based on what the utterance , \" where is X \" , gives us . So definitely have an Entity node here which is activated via the ontology ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "s",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so \" where is X \" produces something that is s stands for X , whether it 's castle , bank , restroom , toilet , whatever . And then the ontology will tell us {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That it has a location or something like that ? {disfmarker} or th the ontology will tell us where actually it is located ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No . Not at all .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where it is located , we have , a user proximity node here somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "e which tells us how far the user {disfmarker} how far away the user is in respect to that uh entity .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So you 're talking about , for instance , the construction obviously involves this entity or refers {disfmarker} refers to this entity ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and from the construction also you know that it is a location {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} or a thing {disfmarker} thing that can be located . Right ? Ontology says this thing has a location slot . Sh - and that 's the thing that is being {disfmarker} that is the content of the question that 's being queried by one interpretation of \" where is X \" . And another one is , um , path from current {disfmarker} user current location to {comment} that location .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So . So is the question {disfmarker} I mean it 's just that I 'm not sure what the {disfmarker} Is the question , for this particular construction how we specify that that 's the information it provides ? Or {disfmarker} or asked for ? b Both sides , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you don't need to even do that . It 's just sort of what {vocalsound} what would be @ @ {comment} observed in uh {disfmarker} in that case .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Observed when you heard the speaker say \" where is X \" , or when {disfmarker} when that 's been parsed ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So these little circles you have by the D ? Is that {disfmarker} ? OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's exactly what we 're looking for .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I d I just {disfmarker} I don't like having {disfmarker} characterizing the constructions with location and path , or li characterizing them like that . Cuz you don't {disfmarker} It seems like in the general case you wouldn't know how {disfmarker} how to characterize them .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You wouldn't .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} or , for when . There could be an interpretation that we don't have a node for in the {disfmarker} I mean it just seems like @ @ has to have uh {disfmarker} a node for the construction and then let the chips fall where they may . Versus uh , saying , this construction either can mean location or path . And , in this cas and since {disfmarker} since it can mean either of those things , it would light both of those up .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's the same .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Thoughts ? Questions ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm thinking about it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It will be the same .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So I think r in here we have \" I 'll go there \" , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Answers ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And we have our Info - on . So in my c my case , this would sort of make this {pause} happy , and this would make the Go - there happy . What you 're saying is we have a Where - X question , Where - X node , that makes both happy . Right ? That 's what you 're proposing , which is , in my mind just as fine . So w if we have a construction {pause} node , \" where is X \" , it 's gonna both get the po posterior probability that {disfmarker} it 's Info - on up ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Info - on is True - up , and that Go - there is True - up , as well . Which would be exactly analogous to what I 'm proposing is , this makes {disfmarker} uh makes something here true , and this makes something {disfmarker} also something here true , and this makes this True - up , and this makes this True - up as well .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I kinda like it better without that extra level of indirection too . You know with {disfmarker} with this points to this points to that , and so on because {vocalsound} I don't know , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Is - uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because we get {disfmarker} we get tons of constructions I think . Because , you know , mmm people have many ways of asking for the same thing ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So un",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I change I changed my mind actually .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So I agree with that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I have a different kinda question , might be related , which is , OK so implicitly everything in EDU , we 're always inferring the speaker intent , right ? Like , what they want either , the information that they want , or {disfmarker} It 's always information that they want probably , of some kind . Right ? Or I {disfmarker} I don't know , or what 's something that they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The system doesn't massage you , no . No .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} OK . So , um , let 's see . So I don't know if the {disfmarker} I mean i if th just there 's more s here that 's not shown that you {disfmarker} it 's already like part of the system whatever , but , \" where is X \" , like , the fact that it is , you know , a speech - act , whatever , it is a question . It 's a question that , um , queries on some particular thing X , and X is that location . There 's , like , a lot of structure in representing that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So that seems different from just having the node \" location - X \" and that goes into EDU , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Precisely . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So tha is that what you 're t talking about ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , w Exactly . We have su we have specified two .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "wh what kinds of structure we want .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , the next one would be here , just for mood .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The next one would be what we can squeeze out of the uh I don't know , maybe we wanna observe the uh , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh the length of {disfmarker} of the words used , and , or the prosody",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and g a and t make conclusions about the user 's intelligence .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So in some ways {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "um , so in some ways in the other sort of parallel set of mo more linguistic meetings we 've been talking about possible semantics of some construction .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Where it was the simulation that 's , according to it {disfmarker} you know , that {disfmarker} that corresponds to it , and as well the {disfmarker} as discourse , whatever , conte infor in discourse information ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "such as the mood , and , you know , other stuff . So , are we looking for a sort of abbreviation of that , that 's tailored to this problem ? Cuz that {disfmarker} that has , you know , basically , you know , s it 's in progress still it 's in development still , but it definitely has various feature slots , attributes , um , bindings between things {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . U that 's exactly r um , why I 'm proposing {disfmarker} It 's too early to have {disfmarker} to think of them {disfmarker} of all of these discourse things that one could possibly observe ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so let 's just assume",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "For the subset of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "human beings are not allowed to ask anything but \" where is X \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This is the only utterance in the world . What could we observe from that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . That exactly \" where is X \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "In ter",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "not the {disfmarker} the choices of \" where is X \" or \" how do I get to X \" . Just \" where is X \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just \" where is X \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , but you know , do it {disfmarker} do it in such a way that we know that people can also say , \" is the town hall in front of the bank \" , so that we need something like a w WH focus . Nuh ? Should be {disfmarker} should be there , that , you know , this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} whatever we get from the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wait , so do , or do not take other kinds of constructions into account ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you {disfmarker} if you can , oh definitely do ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Where possible . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "where possible . Right ? If i if {disfmarker} if it 's not at all triggered by our thing , then it 's irrelevant ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and it doesn't hurt to leave it out for the moment . Um , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , it seems like for instance , \" where is X \" , the fact that it might mean um , \" tell me how to get to X \" , like {disfmarker} Do y So , would you wanna say that those two are both , like {disfmarker} Those are the two interpretations , right ? the {disfmarker} the ones that are location or path . So , you could say that the s construction is a question asking about this location , and then you can additionally infer , if they 're asking about the location , it 's because they wanna go to that place , in which case , the {disfmarker} you 're jumping a step {disfmarker} step and saying , \" oh , I know where it is",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but I also know how to get {disfmarker} they wanna seem {disfmarker} they seem to wanna get there so I 'm gonna tell them \" . So there 's like structure",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , th this {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that this is sort of like semantically ambiguous between these two .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "i do you kn sort of uh , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's really about this but why would you care about this ? Well , it 's because you also want to know this , or something like that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's like you infer the speaker intent ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and then infer a plan , a larger plan from that , for which you have the additional information ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "you 're just being extra helpful .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Think {disfmarker} Uh , well this is just a mental exercise .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "If you think about , focus on this question , how would you design {pause} that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} do you feel confident about saying this is part of the language already to {disfmarker} to detect those plans , and why would anyone care about location , if not , you know and so forth .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Or do you actually , I mean this is perfectly legitimate , and I {disfmarker} I would not have any problems with erasing this and say , that 's all we can activate , based on the utterance out of context .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And just by an additional link {disfmarker} Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "like ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the miracle that we get out the intention , Go - there , happens , based on what we know about that entity , about the user , about his various beliefs , goals , desires , blah - blah - blah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "with context and enough user information , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely fine . But this is the sort of thing , I {disfmarker} I propose that we think about ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so that we actually end up with um , um , nodes for the discourse and ontology so that we can put them into our Bayes - net , never change them , so we {disfmarker} all there is is \" where is X \" , and , Eva can play around with the observed things , and we can run our better JavaBayes , and have it produce some output . And for the first time in th in {disfmarker} in the world , we look at our output , and um {disfmarker} and see uh whether it {disfmarker} it 's any good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know ? I mean ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Here 's hoping .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Here 's hoping . Right ? Now cross your fingers .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I mean , for me this is just a ba matter of curiosity , I wanna {disfmarker} would like to look at uh , what this ad - hoc process of designing a belief - net would actually produce .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if we ask it where is something . And , maybe it also h enables you to think about certain things more specifically , um , come up with interesting questions , to which you can find interesting answers . And , additionally it might fit in really nicely with the paper . Because if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if we want an example for the paper , I suggest there it is .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So th this might be a nice opening paragraph for the paper as saying , \" you know people look at kinds of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} at ambiguities \" , and um , in the literature there 's \" bank \" and whatever kinds of garden path phenomenon .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And we can say , well , that 's all nonsense . A , A , uh these things are never really ambiguous in discourse , B , B , don't ever occur really in discourse , but normal statements that seem completely unambiguous , such as \" where is the blah - blah \" , actually are terribly complex , and completely ambiguous .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And so , what every everybody else has been doing so far in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} you know , has been completely nonsensical , and can all go into the wastepaper bin , and the only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's always a good way to begin . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I am great .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "All others are useless .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Nice overture , but , you know , just not really {disfmarker} OK , I 'm eja exaggerating , but that might be , you know , saying \" hey \" , you know , some stuff is {disfmarker} is actually complex , if you look at it in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the vacuum",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and ceases to be complex in reality . And some stuff that 's as {disfmarker} that 's absolutely straightforward in the vacuum , is actually terribly complex in reality . Would be nice sort of , uh , also , nice , um bottom - up linguistics , um , type message .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . True .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Versus the old top - down school . I 'm running out of time . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "When do you need to start wizarding ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "At four ten . OK , this is the other bit of news . The subjects today know Fey , so she can't be here , and do the wizarding . So I 'm gonna do the wizarding",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and Thilo 's gonna do the instructing .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Also we 're getting a {disfmarker} a person who just got fired uh , from her job . Uh a person from Oakland who is interested in maybe continuing the wizard bit once Fey leaves in August . And um , she 's gonna look at it today . Which is good news in the sense that if we want to continue , after the thir thir after July , we can . We could . And , um {disfmarker} and that 's also maybe interesting for Keith and whoever , if you wanna get some more stuff into the data collection . Remember this , we can completely change the set - up any time we want .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Look at the results we 've gotten so far for the first , whatever , fifty some subjects ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Fifty ? You 've had fifty so far , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , we 're approaching twenty now .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , until Fey is leaving , we surely will hit the {disfmarker} some of the higher numbers .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And um , so that 's cool . Can a do more funky stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Yeah , I 'll have to look more into that data . Is that around ? Like , cuz that 's pretty much getting posted or something right away when you get it ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ? I guess it has to be transcribed , huh ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "We have uh , eh found someone here who 's hand st hand transcribing the first twelve .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "First dozen subjects",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "just so we can build a {disfmarker} a language model for the recognizer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But , um {disfmarker} So those should be available soon .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The first twelve . And I can ch ch st e",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You know {disfmarker} I mean you know that I {disfmarker} that I looked at the first {disfmarker} the first one and got enough data to keep me going for , you know , probably most of July . So . {vocalsound} But , um . Yeah , a probably not the right way to do it actually .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But you can listen to {disfmarker} a y y y You can listen to all of them from your Solaris box .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If you want .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's always fun .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
}
] |
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Language generation"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Mental space interdependencies"
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{
"answer": "Several technical matters are being resolved: a conversion program is being written for data to be translated between XML and the Java Embedded-Bayes notation; the language generation templates are now available for the english version of the SmartKom system; SmartKom now works on three different machines at ICSI. On the other hand, future collaboration on belief-nets has already been agreed with another research group. The construction analysis and formalism are also progressing. Several issues that have been dealt with were mentioned during the meeting: indefinite pronouns and wh-questions, noun-phrase structure, etc. This analysis is being done with the help of a linguist, who often provides different perspectives to methods and terminology.",
"query": "What were the resolutions in the meeting?"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "For the SmartKom generation module, all the syntax-to-prosody rules are going to be re-written for English. Additionally, OGI can offer a range of synthesiser voices to choose from. ",
"query": "Language generation",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"87",
"130"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "As the translation of the german SmartKom into English moves on, the generation rules may prove difficult to tackle for someone without experience in functional programming, as they are written in LISP.",
"query": "What were the difficulties that were encountered by the language generation?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"75",
"98"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The Bayes-net is going to be the focus of the presentation. In order to complete a functioning prototype of the belief-net, it was decided to start expanding the Ontology and Discourse nodes by working with a simple construction, like \"where is X?\". A robust analysis of such a basic utterance will indicate what the limits of the information derived from the construction are, as well as ways to design the whole module and fit other constructions in. ",
"query": "What were the problems associated with mental spaces?",
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"176",
"211"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Additionally, in the example \"Where is X?\" construction, the ambiguity (Location or Path) could be coded either in the semantics of the construction or as if determined by context. The former could mean creating a different construction for every slight pragmatic variation, and the latter, some of the belief-net probabilities could be instantiated in the lexicon. ",
"query": "What was said of the \"where is X\" construction?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"146",
"189"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "Sorry . Mental {disfmarker} mental Palm Pilot . Right . Hence {pause} no problem .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Let 's see . So . What ? I 'm supposed to be on channel five ? Her . Nope . Doesn't seem to be ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hello {pause} I 'm channel one .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "What does your thing say on the back ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Testing .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , five . Alright , I 'm five .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sibilance . Sibilance . {comment} {pause} Three , three . I am three .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Eh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "See , that matches the seat up there . So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah , well , I g guess {pause} it 's coming up then , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Cuz it 's {disfmarker} That starts counting from zero and these start counting from one . Ergo , the classic off - by - one error .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "But mine is correct .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Is it ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "It 's one . Channel one .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Your mike {pause} number {pause} is what we 're t",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Look at the back .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Oh , oh , oh ! Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Ho !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "I 've bested you again , Nancy .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "But your p No , but the paper 's correct .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "The paper is correct .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Look at the paper .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "I didn't det I was saying the microphone , not the paper .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Nnn ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "it 's n",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "It 's always offset . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yes , you 've bested me again . That 's how I think of our continuing interaction . Damn ! Foiled again !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "So is Keith showing up ? He 's talking with George right now . Uh , is he gonna get a rip {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} rip himself away from {disfmarker} from that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "He 'll probably come later .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "What {disfmarker} He - he he 's probably not , is my guess .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , he {disfmarker} he was very affirmative in his way of saying he will be here at four . But {pause} you know , that was before he knew about that George lecture probably .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . This {disfmarker} this is not {disfmarker} It 's not bad for the project if Keith is talking to George . OK . So my suggestion is we just",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Forge ahead .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Forge ahead , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Are you in charge ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Um . Well , I sort of had informal talks with most of you . So , Eva just reported she 's really happy about the {pause} CBT 's being in the same order in the XML as in the um {disfmarker} be Java declaration format",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The e",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "so you don't have to do too much in the style sheet transversion .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Uh , yeah . Yeah , so .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} uh , Java {disfmarker} the embedded Bayes {pause} wants to take input {disfmarker} uh , uh , a Bayes - net {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some Java notation and Eva is using the Xalan style sheet processor to convert the XML that 's output by the Java Bayes for the {disfmarker} into the , uh , E Bayes input .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , maybe I could try , like , emailing the guy and see if he has any something already .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be weird , that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "But that 's some sort of conversion program ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And put them into different {pause} formats . Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I think you should demand things from him .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Yep , he could do that , too .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "He charges so much . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I think it 's a good idea that you may as well ask . Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , um , well {pause} pretty mu pretty much on t on the top of my list , I would have asked Keith how the \" where is X ? \" {pause} hand parse is standing . Um . {pause} But we 'll skip that . Uh , there 's good news from Johno . The generation templates are done .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the trees {pause} for {disfmarker} the XML trees for the {disfmarker} for the gene for the synthesizer are written . So I just need to {pause} do the , uh {disfmarker} write a new set of {pause} tree combining rules . But I think those 'll be pretty similar to the old ones . So . Just gonna be {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! You were gonna send me a note about hiring {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "I didn't finish the sentence but he understood it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I know what he 's talking about .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "OK . But Nancy doesn't .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Hiring somebody .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "We {disfmarker} w um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "The guy .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "OK , so {pause} natural language generation {pause} produces not a {disfmarker} just a surface string that is fed into a text - to - speech but , a {pause} surface string with a syntax tree that 's fed into a concept - to - speech .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm . Better .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Now and this concept - to - speech module has {pause} certain rules on how {pause} if you get the following syntactic structure , how to map this onto prosodic rules .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Sure . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "And Fey has foolheartedly agreed to rewrite uh , the German concept uh syntax - to - prosody rules {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "I didn't know she spoke German .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "No , she doesn't .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "But she speaks English .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Oh . Rewrite the German ones into English . OK , got it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Into English . And um therefore {pause} the , uh {disfmarker} if it 's OK that we give her a couple of more hours per week , then {pause} she 'll do that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "OK , got it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "What {pause} language is that {pause} written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's the LISP - type scheme .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "She knows how to program in Scheme ? I hope ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I {disfmarker} My guess is {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I asked for a commented version of that file ? If we get that , then it 's {pause} doable , even without getting into it , even though the Scheme li uh , stuff is really well documented in the {pause} Festival .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess if you 're not used to functional programming , Scheme can be completely incomprehensible . Cuz , there 's no {disfmarker} Like {pause} there 's lots of unnamed functions",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Syntax . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , it {disfmarker} We 'll sort this out . Um . But anyway , send me the note and then I 'll - I 'll check with , uh , Morgan on the money . I {disfmarker} I don't anticipate any problem but we have to {pause} ask . Oh , so this was {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} You know , on the generation thing , um if {comment} sh y she 's really going to do that , then we should be able to get prosody as well . So it 'll say it 's nonsense with perfect intonation .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Are we gonna {disfmarker} Can we change the voice of the {disfmarker} of the thing , because right now the voice sounds like a murderer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . We ha we have to change the voice .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Wh - Which one ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the little Smarticus {disfmarker} Smarticus sounds like a murderer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "That 's good to know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "\" I have your reservations . \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "But I will not give them to you unless you come into my lair .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "It is {disfmarker} Uh , we have the choice between the , uh , usual Festival voices , which I already told the SmartKom people we aren't gonna use because they 're really bad .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Festival ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "It 's the name of some program ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . Got it . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the synthesizer .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You know , the usual party voices .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , um",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know . That doesn't sound , {vocalsound} exactly right either .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OGI has , uh , crafted a couple of diphone type voices that are really nice and we 're going to use {pause} that . We can still , um , d agree on a gender , if we want . So we still have male or female .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} Well , let 's just pick whatever sounds best .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Whatever sounds best .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Unfortunately , probably male voices , a bit more research on .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Does OGI stand for {disfmarker} ? {comment} Original German Institute ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Orego",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Or",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Oregon .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Oregon Graduate Insti",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Oregon @ @ {comment} Graduate Institute",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Try Oregon .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It turns out there 's the long - standing links with these guys in the speech group .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Very long .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "In fact , there 's this guy who 's basically got a joint appointment , Hynek {pause} Hermansky . He 's - spends a fair amount of time here . Anyway . Leave it . Won't be a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . And it 's probably also absolutely uninteresting for all of you to , um learn that as of twenty minutes ago , David and I , per accident , uh managed to get the whole SmartKom system running on the {disfmarker} uh , ICSI Linux machines with the ICSI NT machines thereby increasing the number of running SmartKom systems in this house from {pause} one on my laptop to three .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "How was this by accident ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know . Tha - that 's the part I didn't understand .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I suggested to try something that was really kind of {disfmarker} even though against better knowledge shouldn't have worked , but it worked .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Intuition .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Will it work again ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} maybe a bit for the AI i intuition thing .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , um , we 'll never found out why . It - it 's just like why {disfmarker} why the generation ma the presentation manager is now working ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ! This is something you ha you get used to as a programmer , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Which",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "You know , {comment} and it 's cool , it works out that way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Hmm . So , {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the people at Saarbruecken and I decided not to touch it ever again . Yeah , that would work . OK . Um {disfmarker} I was gonna ask you where something is and what we know about that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where the \" where is \" construction is .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what thing is this ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where is X ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , but by {disfmarker} Uh , we can ask , uh , did you get to read all four hundred words ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I did .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Was it OK ? Was it ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I wa I was looking at it . It doesn't follow logically . It doesn't {disfmarker} The first paragraph doesn't seem to have any link to the second paragraph .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And so on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . That {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "You know , i Yeah , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Each paragraph is good , though . I li",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "I i Yeah . Well , it it 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It was written by committee .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Anyway . Um . But c the meeting looks like it 's , it 's gonna be good . So . I think it 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I didn't know about it until {pause} Robert told me , like , ",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I ra I ran across it in {disfmarker} I don't even know where , you know {disfmarker} some just {disfmarker} some weird place . And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about it",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah . Well , yeah . I was like , why didn't Dan tell me ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "since we know all the invited speakers , an",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , or some Anyway . So {disfmarker} But anyway , yeah . I so I {disfmarker} I did see that . Oh wha Yeah . Before we get started on this st so I also had a nice email correspondence with Daphne Kohler , who said yes indeed she would love to work with us on the , um , {disfmarker} you know , using these structured belief - nets and stuff but {pause} starting in August , that she 's also got a new student working on this and that we should get in touch with them again in August and then we 'll figure out a way for you {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} you to get seriously connected with , um their group . So that 's , uh {disfmarker} looks pretty good . And um {disfmarker} Yeah , I 'll say it now . So , um {disfmarker} And it looks to me like {comment} we 're now at a good point to do something {disfmarker} start working on something really hard . We 've been so far working on things that are easy .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , w Which is {comment} mental spaces and uh {disfmarker} and - or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's hard . Yeah , it 's hard .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's a hard puzzle . But the other part of it is the way they connect to these , uh , probabilistic relational models . So {pause} there 's all the problems that the linguists know about , about mental spaces , and the cognitive linguists know about , but then there 's this problem of the belief - net people have only done a moderately good job of dealing with temporal belief - nets . Uh , which they call dynamic {disfmarker} they incorrectly call dynamic belief - nets .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So there 's a term \" dynamic belief - net \" , doesn't mean that . It means time slices . And Srini used those and people use them . Uh . But one of the things I w would like to do over the next , uh , month , it may take more , {comment} is to st understand to what extent we can not only figure out the constructions for them for multiple worlds and uh sort of what the formalism will look like and where the slots and fillers will be , but also what that would translate into in terms of belief - net and the inferences . So the story is that if you have these probabilistic relational models , they 're set up , in principle , so that you can make new instances and instances connect to each other , and all that sort of stuff , so it should be feasible to set them up in such a way that if you 've got the past tense and the present tense and each of those is a separate {pause} uh , belief structure that they do their inferences with just the couplings that are appropriate . But that 's g that 's , as far as I can tell , it 's {disfmarker} it 's putting together two real hard problems . One is the linguistic part of what are the couplings and {disfmarker} and when you have a certain , uh , construction , that implies certain couplings and other couplings , you know , between let 's say between the past and the present , or any other one of these things and then we have this inference problem of exactly technically how does the belief - net work if it 's got um , let 's say one in {disfmarker} in , you know , different tenses or my beliefs and your beliefs , or any of these other ones of {disfmarker} of multiple models . So um you know , in the long run we need to solve both of those and my suggestion is that we start digging into them both , uh , in a way we that , you know , th hopefully turns out to be consistent , so that the {disfmarker} Um . And sometimes it 's actually easier to solve two hard problems than one",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because they constrain each other . I mean if you 've got huge ra huge range of possible choices um {disfmarker} We 'll see . But anyway , so that 's , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , like uh , I solved the {disfmarker} the problem of um {disfmarker} we were talking about how do you {disfmarker} various issues of how come a plural noun gets to quote \" count as a noun phrase \" , you know , occur as an argument of a higher construction , but a bare singular stem doesn't get to act that way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , and it would take a really long time to explain it now , but I 'm about to write it up this evening . I solved that at the same time as \" how do we keep adjectives from floating to the left of determiners and how do we keep all of that from floating outside the noun phrase \" to get something like \" I the kicked dog \" . Um . Did it {disfmarker} did it at once .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So maybe {disfmarker} maybe it 'll be a similar thing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I know , I th I I think that is gonna be sort of the key to this wh to th the big project of the summer of {disfmarker} of getting the constructions right is that people do manage to do this so there probably are some , uh , relatively clean rules , they 're just not context - free trees .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And if we {disfmarker} if the formalism is {disfmarker} is good , then we should be able to have , you know , sort of moderate scale thing . And that by the way is {disfmarker} is , Keith , what I encouraged George to be talking with you about . Not the formalism yet",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but the phenomena .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The p And {disfmarker} Oh , another thing , um there was this , uh thing that Nancy agreed to in a {disfmarker} in a weak moment this morning that",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I was really strong .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , sorry . In a {disfmarker} in a friendly moment .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Same thing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , uh , that we were {disfmarker} that we 're gonna try to get a uh , first cut at the revised formalism by the end of next week .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK ? Probably skipping the mental spaces part .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Seems {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . I do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , just trying to write up essentially what {disfmarker} what you guys have worked out so that everybody has something to look at . We 've talked about it , but only the innermost inner group currently , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Knows .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "knows , uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and {disfmarker} and not even all of them really do .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} The group as a whole knows but no individual member kno",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well that that {disfmarker} yeah th there 's one of the advantages of a document , right ? ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker} is that it actually transfers from head to head .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So anyway . So um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah , communication !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Communication .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hunh !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Communication , documentation and stuff . Anyway , so , uh , with a little luck {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} l let 's , let 's have that as a goal anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , what was the date there ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Monday or {disfmarker} ? It 's a Friday .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . No , w uh {disfmarker} we 're talking about a week fr e end of next week .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "End of next week .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , but {disfmarker} but the two of us will probably talk to you at well before th",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I thought you said beginning of n Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean . Anyway , w let 's talk separately about how t",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I have a busy weekend but after that {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} Yeah , gung - ho .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah , so {disfmarker} so someti sometime next week .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Great ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Now if it turns out that that effort leads us into some big hole that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , if you say we 're {disfmarker} we 're dump {disfmarker} dump {disfmarker} dump . There 's a really hard problem we haven't solved yet {disfmarker} that , that 's just fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But at {disfmarker} at least sort of try and work out what the state of the art is right now .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , t t if {disfmarker} to the extent that we have it , let 's write it",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and to the extent we don't , let 's find out what we need to do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Can we {disfmarker} ? {vocalsound} Is it worth {pause} thinking of an example out of our tourism thing domain , that involves a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a decent mental {pause} space shift {pause} or setting up {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think it is , but {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} but I interrupted before Keith got to tell us what happened with \" where is the Powder - Tower ? \" or whatever",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well . Uh , what was supposed to happen ? I 've sort of been actually caught up in some other ones , so , um , you know , I don't have a write - up of {disfmarker} or I haven't elaborated on the ideas that we were already talking about which were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , yeah . I think {disfmarker} I think we already came to the conclusion that we have two alternative {pause} paths that we {disfmarker} two alternative ways of representing it . One is sort of a {disfmarker} has a um",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's gone .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The question of whether the polysemy is sort of like in the construction or pragmatic .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "One of them was th Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "or comes {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "is resolved later . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think it has to be the {disfmarker} the second case .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so d ' you {disfmarker} Is it clear what we 're talking about here ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "The question is whether the construction is semantic or like ambiguous between asking for location and asking for path .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So you might be {disfmarker} yeah , y And asking for directions .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um or {disfmarker} or whether the construction semantically , uh , is clearly only asking for location",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Should we have a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but pragmatically that 's construed as meaning \" tell me how to get there \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {pause} assume these are two , uh , nodes we can observe in the Bayes - net .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So these are either true or false and it 's also just true {pause} or false . If we encounter a phrase such as \" where is X ? \" , should that set this to true and this to true , and the Bayes - net figures out which under the c situation in general is more likely ? Um , or should it just activate this , have this be false , and the Bayes - net figures out whether this actually now means {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh w that 's a s",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Slightly different .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , so that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a separate issue .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So I a I I th I agree with you that , um , it 's a disaster to try to make separate constructions for every uh , pragmatic reading ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "although there are some that will need to be there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there there 's some that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or have every construction list all the possible pragmatic implications of the same one .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You can't do that either .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , you know , c um {disfmarker} almost certainly \" can you pass the salt \" is a construction worth noting that there is this th this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Request .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Very yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So right , this one is maybe in the gray area . Is it {disfmarker} is it like that or is it just sort of obvious from world knowledge that no one {disfmarker} you wouldn't want to know the location without wanting to know how to get there or whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Ri Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "One Or in some cases , it 's {disfmarker} it 's quite definitely",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "s so that you just know {disfmarker} wanna know where it is .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well the question is basically , is this conventional or conversational implicature ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Might be , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And I guess , see , the more important thing at this stage is that we should be able to know how we would handle it in ei f in the short run it 's more important to know how we would treat {disfmarker} technically what we would do if we decided A and what we would do if we decided B , than it is t to decide A or B r right now .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which of that is . {comment} Yeah , OK",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Which one it is .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz there will be other k examples that are one way or the other . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "W we know for sure that we have to be able to do both .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So I guess {vocalsound} In the short run , let 's {disfmarker} let 's be real clear on h what the two alternatives would be .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then the {vocalsound} we had another idea floating around um , which we wanted to , uh , get your input on , and that concerns the {disfmarker} But the nice thing is w we would have a person that would like to work on it , and that 's Ir - Irina Gurevich from EML {pause} who is going to be visiting us , uh , the week before , uh , August and a little bit into August . And she would like to {vocalsound} apply the {pause} ontology that is , um {vocalsound} being crafted at EML . That 's not the one I sent you . The one I sent you was from GMD , out of a European CRUMPET .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It was terrible .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Agreed . Um , and one of the reas one of the {disfmarker} those ideas was , so , back to the old Johno observation that if y if you have a dialogue history {pause} and it said the word \" admission fee \" was uh , mentioned um , it 's more likely that the person actually wants to enter {pause} than just take a picture of it from the outside . Now what could imagine {disfmarker} to , you know , have a list for each construction of things that one should look up in the discourse history , yeah ? That 's the really stupid way . Then there is the {pause} really clever way that was suggested by Keith and then there is the , uh , middle way that I 'm suggesting and that is you {disfmarker} you get X , which is whatever , the castle . The ontology will tell us that castles have opening hours , that they have admission fees , they have whatever . And then , this is {disfmarker} We go via a thesaurus and look up {pause} certain linguistic surface structures {pause} that are related to these concepts and feed those through the dialogue history and check dynamically for each e entity . We look it up check whether any of these were mentioned and then activate the corresponding nodes on the discourse side . But Keith suggested that a {disfmarker} a much cleaner way would be {disfmarker} is , you know , to keep track of the discourse in such a way that you {disfmarker} if you know that something like that ha has been mentioned before , this just a continues to add up , you know , in th in a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So if someone mentions admission f fees , that activates an Enter schema which sticks around for a little while in your rep in the representation of what 's being talked about . And then when someone asks \" where is X ? \" you 've already got the {disfmarker} the Enter schema activated",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Kind of a priming",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and you 're able to {disfmarker} to conclude on it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "priming a spreading activation",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . So that 's certainly {pause} more {pause} realistic .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I m I mean psychologically . Now technically",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , is it {disfmarker} doesn't it seem like if you just managed the dialogue history with a {disfmarker} a thread , that you know , kept track of ho of the activity of {disfmarker} I mean , cuz it would {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the thread would know what nodes {pause} like , needed to be activated , so it could just keep track of {pause} how long it 's been since {pause} something 's been mentioned , and {pause} automatically load it in .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You could do that . Um . But here 's {disfmarker} here 's a way {disfmarker} in th in the bl Bayes - net you could {disfmarker} you could think about it this way , that if um {pause} at the time \" admissions fee \" was mentioned {pause} you could increase the probability {pause} that someone wanted to enter .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Turn prior on .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We - yeah {disfmarker} th th that 's what I wa I wasn't {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I wasn't thinking in terms of Enter schemas . I was just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Fair enough , OK , but , but , in terms of the c c the current implementation {disfmarker} right ? so that um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It would already be higher in the {pause} context .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "th that th the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the conditional probability that someone {disfmarker} So at the time you mentioned it {disfmarker} This is {disfmarker} this is essentially the Bayes - net equivalent of the spreading activation .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} In some ways it 's not as good but it 's {pause} the implementation we got .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . No , I mean",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We don't have a connectionist implementation . Now {disfmarker} Now my guess is that it 's not a question of time but it is a question of whether another {pause} intervening object has been mentioned .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , relevance .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we could look at dialo this is {disfmarker} Of course the other thing we ha we do is , is we have this data coming",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "which probably will blow all our theories ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but skipping that {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} but my guess is what {disfmarker} what 'll probably will happen , Here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a proposed design . {comment} is that there 're certain constructions which , uh , for our purposes do change the probabilities of EVA decisions and various other kinds and th that the , uh , standard way that {disfmarker} that the these contexts work is sort of stack - like or whatever , but that 's sort of the most recent thing . And so it could be that {pause} when another uh , en tourist entity gets mentioned , you",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Renew",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "re re essentially re - initiali you know , re - i essentially re - initialize the {pause} state .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And of course i if we had a fancier one with multiple worlds you could have {disfmarker} uh , you could keep track of what someone was {pause} uh saying about this and that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , \" I wanna go {disfmarker} in the morning",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "\" Here 's my plan for today .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I wanna {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Here 's my plan for tomorrow . \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or {disfmarker} Yeah , in the morning morning I I 'm planning t to go shopping ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "hypothetically .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "in the afternoon to the Powder - Tower {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , tal so I 'm talking about shopping and then you say , uh , you know , well , um \" What 's it cost ? \" or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} Anyway . So one could well imagine , but not yet .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But I do th think that the {disfmarker} {comment} It 'll turn out that it 's gonna be {disfmarker} depend pretty much on whether there 's been an override .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , if {disfmarker} if you ask \" how much does a train ride and {disfmarker} and cinema around the vineyards cost ? \" and then somebody tells you it 's sixty dollars and then you say \" OK How much is , uh {disfmarker} I would like to {pause} visit the {disfmarker} \" {vocalsound} whatever , something completely different , \" then I go to , you know , Point Reyes \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "it {disfmarker} it 's not more likely that you want to enter anything , but it 's , as a matter of fact , a complete rejection of entering by doing that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So when you admit have admission fee and it changes something , it 's only for that particular {disfmarker} It 's relational , right ? It 's only for that particular object .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I th th Yeah . Well , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and the simple idea is that it 's on it 's only for m for the current uh , tourist e entity of instre interest .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} I mean this {disfmarker} this function , so , has the current object been mentioned in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} with a question about {disfmarker} concerning its {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . It 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} It goes the other d it goes in the other direction . Is {disfmarker} When th When the {disfmarker} this is mentioned , {pause} the uh probability of {disfmarker} of , let 's say , entering changes",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Of that object . For {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "changes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You could just hav uh , just basically , ob it {disfmarker} It observes an {disfmarker} er , it sets the {disfmarker} a node for \" entered \" or \" true \" or something ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Now , uh {disfmarker} But I think Ro - Robert 's right , that to determine that , OK ? you may well want to go through a th thesaurus",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "\" discourse enter \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} So , if the issue is , if {disfmarker} so now th this construction has been matched and you say \" OK . Does this actually have any implications for our decisions ? \" Then there 's another piece of code {vocalsound} that presumably {pause} does that computation .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , sort of forward chaining in a way , rather than {pause} backward .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but what 's Robert 's saying is {disfmarker} is , and I think he 's right , {comment} is you don't want to try to build into the construction itself all the synonyms and all {disfmarker} you know , all the wo Uh maybe . I 'll have to think about that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I mean it {disfmarker} th {vocalsound} I can thi I can think of arguments in either direction on that . But somehow you want to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , it 's just another , sort of , construction side is how to get at the possible inferences we can draw from the discourse history or changing of the {pause} probabilities , and - or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Guess it 's like {disfmarker} I g The other thing is , whether you have a m m user model that has , you know , whatever , a current plan , whatever , plans that had been discussed , and I don't know , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} uh , what 's the argument for putting it in the construction ? Is it just that {pause} the s synonym selection is better , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wel Well , the ar the {disfmarker} The argument is that you 're gonna have the {disfmarker} If you 've recognized the word , you 've recognized the word , which means you have a lexical construction for it , so you could just as well tag the lexical construction with the fact that it 's a uh , you know , thirty percent increase in probability of entering . You {disfmarker} So you could {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker} you could invert {disfmarker} invert the whole thing , so you s you tag that information on to {pause} the lexicon",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "since you had to recognize it anyway . That {disfmarker} that 's the argument in the other direction . at {disfmarker} at {disfmarker} Yeah , and this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Even though uh the lexical construction itself {disfmarker} out {disfmarker} out of context , uh , won't do it . I mean , y you have to keep track whether the person says",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "\" But I but I 'm not interested in the opening times \" is sort of a more a V type .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah there 's , yeah ther there 's that as well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Hmm . So . But , we 'll {disfmarker} uh , we have time to {disfmarker} This is a s just a sidetrack , but uh I think it 's also something that people have not done before , is um , sort of abuse an ontology for these kinds of , uh , inferences , on whether anything relevant to the current something has been {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , has crept up in the dialogue history already , or not . And , um I have the , uh {disfmarker} If we wanted to have that function in the dialogue hi dialogue module of SmartKom , I have the written consent of Jan to put it in there .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Good . OK . {comment} {vocalsound} Well , this {disfmarker} this is highly relevant to someone 's thesis .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , um . That 's {disfmarker} uh , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm keeping on good terms with Jan .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You 've noticed that . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the point is , it 's very likely that Robert 's thesis is going to be along these lines ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , s",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and the local rules are if it 's your thesis , you get to decide how it 's done . OK . So if , you know {disfmarker} if this is {disfmarker} seriously , if this becomes part of your thesis , you can say , hey we 're gonna do it this way , that 's the way it 's done .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yay , it 's not me . It 's always me when it 's someone 's thesis .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no ! No , no . We 've got a lot {disfmarker} we 've got a lot of theses going .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There 's a few of us around now .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Now it 's not . Yay ! I know it is .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , let 's {disfmarker} let 's talk after Friday the twenty - ninth . Then we 'll see how f f",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So h he 's got a th he 's got a meet meeting in Germany with his thesis advisor .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he said he 's gonna f finish his thesis by then .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I should try to finish it by then . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . So I think {pause} in fact , That 's the other thing . uh , this is {disfmarker} this is , speaking of hard problems , {comment} this is a very good time um , to start trying to make explicit where construal comes in and {disfmarker} you know , where c where the construction per - se ends {pause} and where construal comes in ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 've {disfmarker} we 've done quite a bit of that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "cuz this is clearly part of th",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We 've been doing quite a bit of that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well I said . But that 's part of what the f",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We have many jobs for you , Ro - Robert .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , he 's gonna need this .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it seems to always land in your category .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The conclusion .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You 're lucky .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So . {vocalsound} Right . So thing {disfmarker} That 's part of why we want the formalism ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker} is because th it is gonna have implicit in it",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Was I ? In the room ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , you weren't there {pause} on purpose . Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Made it much easier to make these decisions .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Obviously .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well I {disfmarker} That 's tentative .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , right , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They aren't decisions , they 're ju they 're just proposals .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {vocalsound} Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , they 're decisions . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker} That 's the point , is {disfmarker} is th",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Constraints . Let 's call them constraints , around which one has to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , yeah . {vocalsound} There 's a problem with that word , too , though .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} {pause} Anyway . But so that 's that 's w Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it {disfmarker} he the decisions I made wer had to do with my thesis . So consequently don't I get to decide then that it 's Robert 's job ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Anyhow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'll just pick a piece of the problem and then just push the hard stuff into the center {pause} and say it 's Robert 's . Like .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 've always been {pause} completely in favor of consensus decisions ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll find a way .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we will , but um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I haven't . {comment} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it might even be {pause} interesting then to {pause} say that I should be forced to um , sort of pull some of the ideas that have been floating in my head out of the , uh {disfmarker} out of the top hat",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Always good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That metaphor is not going anywhere , you know .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ri - No . Absolutely . So , uh , wh you had {disfmarker} you know you ha You had done one draft .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , and , um , it 's {disfmarker} Ha - None of that is basically still around ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I didn't get",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And a another draft OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "D i",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's normal .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I i",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I guess it 's good I didn't read it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} I 'm shocked . This is the first time I 've seen a thesis proposal change . Right . Anyway , uh . {vocalsound} So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But , yeah , a second {disfmarker} that would be great . So , uh , a sec I mean you 're gonna need it anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I would like to d discuss it and , you know , get you guys 's input",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and make it sort of bomb - proof .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Bomb proof !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Bullet - proof .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's the word I was looking for .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Both proof .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Either way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Both .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good luck . {vocalsound} Really .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh So that , so th thi this {disfmarker} I mean , so this is the point , is we {disfmarker} we 're going to have to cycle through this ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but th the draft of the p proposal on the constructions is {disfmarker} is going to tell us a lot about {pause} what {pause} we think needs to be done by construal . And , um , we oughta be doing it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah , we need {disfmarker} we need some {disfmarker} Then we need to make some dates . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Meeting {disfmarker} regular meeting time for the summer , we really haven't found one . We did {pause} Thursdays one for a while . I just talked to Ami . It 's - it 's a coincidence that he can't do {disfmarker} couldn't do it today {pause} here .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": " Usually , he can .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Usually he has no real constraints .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And the NTL meeting moved to Wednesday ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "cuz of {disfmarker} of , uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was just an exception .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you weren't here , but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} s uh , {disfmarker} And so , if that 's OK with you ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's i Is it staying basically at the Wednesday noon ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . It was th off this week ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I always thought it was staying .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was th",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I thought it was just this week that we were changing it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . {pause} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And , um . How do we feel about doing it Wednesdays ? Because it seems to me that this is sort of a time where when we {pause} have things to discuss with other people , there {disfmarker} they seem to be s tons of people around .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The only disadvantage {pause} is that it may interfere with other",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} subgroup meetings",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "s you know , other {disfmarker} other {disfmarker} No , you {disfmarker} Uh , people in this group connecting with {disfmarker} with",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Those people who {pause} happen to be around .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "those people {pause} who {disfmarker} who might not be around so much . Uh , I don't care . I I uh you know I have no fixed {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "To tell you the truth , I 'd rath I 'd , I 'd {disfmarker} would like to avoid more than one ICSI meeting per day , if possible . But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's fine . I mean that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I 'd like to have them all in one day ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I can understand that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well p",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so package them up and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "people {disfmarker} people differ in their tastes in this matter .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm neutral .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {pause} I 'm always here anyway ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's OK , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} It doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . @ @ That 's {disfmarker} Me too . I 'm basically {disfmarker} I 'm here . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , if {disfmarker} one {pause} sort of thing is , this room is taken at {disfmarker} after three - thirty pr pretty much every day by the data collection .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So we have subjects anyway {disfmarker} Except for this week , we have subjects in here .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's why it was one .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So we just knew i",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So did you just say that Ami can't make one o '",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , he can .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So let 's say Thursday one . But for next week , this is a bit late . So {pause} I would suggest that we need to {disfmarker} to talk {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . About the c the {disfmarker} th",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Could we do Thursday at one - thirty ? Would that {disfmarker} that be horrible ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No . Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh really ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Because , uh , this room is again taken at two - thirty by Morgan .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . OK . You didn't tell me that . OK , that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} s meeting recorder meeting meeting meeting recording on meeting meetings {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , OK , OK . OK . {pause} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Interesting . So you 're proposing that we meet Tuesday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How about that ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Next week .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 're meeting Tuesday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I could",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean we usually meet Tuesday {disfmarker} or l like , linguists {pause} um , at two .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Would it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . Do you want to meet again here bef",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And the s Is the Speech - Gen meeting still at {disfmarker} on Tuesdays ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean w Well , actually we w we we did scrap our Monday time just because Bhaskara couldn't come Monday .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hhh . {comment} Maybe I do need a Palm Pilot .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So there 's {disfmarker} Nothing 's impeding Monday anymore {pause} either .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That doesn't apply to a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Although I thought you wanted to go camping on Monday {disfmarker} er , take off Mondays a lot so you could go camping .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Get a fresh start {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's another s thing . Yeah . But , um . I mean , there are also usually then holidays anyways . I mean {pause} like {disfmarker} {comment} Sometimes {pause} it works out that way .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Usually ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
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"content": "So . Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well , I mean , the linguists ' meeting {pause} i happens to be at two , but I think that 's {disfmarker} I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "That should be relatively flexible be",
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{
"content": "pretty flexible , I think .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There 's just {pause} sort of the two to four of us .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . The multiple meetings",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Right ? Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "And , you know , of course Nancy and I are just sort of always talking anyway and sometimes we do it in that room .",
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"content": "Right . Yeah .",
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"content": "So , you know , I mean .",
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Ha - ha - ha .",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , all of the proposed times sound fine with me .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Same here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Monday ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , whate I mean {disfmarker} What I think Robert 's saying is that",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Earlier in the week",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "earlier we {disfmarker} At least for next week , there 's a lot of stuff we want to get done ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so why don't we plan to meet Monday",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} we 'll see if we want to meet any more than that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What time ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "At o o o o one , two , three {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "One , two , three ? Three 's too late .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I i {pause} Yeah , I actually {disfmarker} Two is the earliest I can meet on Monday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Two - thirty ? OK , two .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Here I 'm blissfully agreeing to things and realizing that I actually do have some stuff scheduled on Monday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Sounds great . Uh , so that 's the eighteenth .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You guys will still remind me , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No way !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Y you 'll come and take all the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the headph the good headphones first and then remind me .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "W why do you {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . Sorry , two PM .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Why do I have this unless I 'm gonna write ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "do I get to see th uh , your formalism before {pause} that ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Fine . Yes . Uh . Would you like to ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . I was actually gonna work on it for tomorrow {disfmarker} like this {disfmarker} this weekend .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "I wo I would like {disfmarker} I would sort of {pause} get a {disfmarker} get a notion of what {disfmarker} what you guys have in store for me .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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{
"content": "Well m @ @ you know , w maybe Mond - Maybe we can put {disfmarker} This is part of what we can do Monday , if we want .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah . I OK .",
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{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
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"content": "Is some {disfmarker} some version",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah , so there was like , you know , m m in my head the goal to have like an intermediate version , like , everything I know .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "And then , w I would talk to you and figure out everything you know , that {disfmarker} you know , see if they 're consistent .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
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"content": "Yeah . OK . Why don't w Maybe you and I should meet sort of more or less first thing Monday morning and then we can work on this .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah . That 's f fine with me .",
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},
{
"content": "OK .",
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"content": "So . I might {disfmarker} I might {disfmarker} um ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "You - y",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "s You said you 're busy {pause} over th until the weekend , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sort of through the weekend because Kate has a photography show .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine . So we might continue our email thing",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and that might be fine , too . So , maybe I 'll send you some {disfmarker}",
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},
{
"content": "Um , if you have time after this I 'll show you the noun phrase thing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "OK . That would be cool . So . OK , and we 'll {disfmarker} You wanna m",
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{
"content": "So the idea is on Monday at two we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll see an intermediate version of the formalism for the constructions ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's OK for you {disfmarker}",
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},
{
"content": "and do an on - line merging with my construal {pause} ideas .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Sure , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's OK .",
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"content": "So it won't be , like , a for semi - formal presentation of my {pause} proposal . It 'll be more like towards {pause} finalizing that proposal .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz then you 'll find out more of what we 're making you do .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK , that 's fine . Yep , and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yikes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oy , {comment} deadlines .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "We 'll make a presentation of your propo {comment} of your proposal .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Perfect . Can you also write it up ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's like , \" this is what we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Abso",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "And the complement is Robert . \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll send you {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll send you a style file , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "You just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "I already sent you my fi {comment} my bib file . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , um . Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Someday we also have to {disfmarker} we should probably talk about the other side of the \" where is X \" construction , which is the issue of , um , how do you simulate questions ? What does the simspec look like for a question ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Because {pause} it 's a little different .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , now , we we w",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We had to {disfmarker} we had an idea for this which seemed like it would probably work .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "Great . OK . Yeah . Simspec may need {disfmarker} we may n need to re - name that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} Yeah . I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK ? So let 's think of a name for {disfmarker} for whatever the {disfmarker} this intermediate structure is . Oh , we talked about semspec , for \" semantic spec specification \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "and that seems {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "It 's more general",
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"content": "You know , so it 's a m minimal change .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Only have to change one vowel . That 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yeah . Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "All the old like {vocalsound} graphs ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
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"content": "just change the {disfmarker} just , like , mark out the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , a little substi substi You know , that 's what text substitution uh macros are for .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's good for you .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , uh , so let 's {disfmarker} let 's for the moment call it that until we think of something better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , yeah , we absolutely need to find {disfmarker} Part of what was missing were markings of all sorts that weren't in there , incl including the questions {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We didn't {disfmarker} we never did figure out how we were gonna do emphasis in {disfmarker} in uh , the semspec .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 've talked a little bit about {pause} that , too , which {disfmarker} uh , uh , it 's hard for me to figure out with sort of our general linguistic issues , how they map onto this particular one ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} OK , yeah , understood .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But that 's part of the formalism {disfmarker} is got to be uh , how things like that get marked .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "W do you have data , like the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} You have preliminary {pause} data ? Cuz I know , you know , we 've been using this one easy sentence and I 'm sure you guys have {disfmarker} uh , maybe you are the one who 've been looking at {pause} the rest of it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it 'd {disfmarker} it 'd be useful for me , if we want to {pause} have it a little bit more data oriented .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "To tell you the truth , what I 've been looking at has not been the data so far ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm {pause} mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I just sort of said \" alright let 's see if I can get noun phrases and , uh , major verb co uh , constructions out of the way first . \" And I have not gotten them out of the way yet .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Surprise . So , um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , I have not really approached a lot of the data , but I mean obviously like these {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the question one , since we have this idea about the indefinite pronoun thing and all that , you know , I ca can try and , um run with that , you know , try and do some of the sentence constructions now . It would make sense .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Do you wanna run the indefinite pronoun idea past Jerry ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , the basic idea is that um , uh {pause} you know {disfmarker} Uh , {vocalsound} let 's see {pause} if I can {pause} formulate this .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {pause} Mary fixed the car with a wrench .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you perform the mental sum and then , you know , \" who fixed the car with a wrench ? \" You {pause} basically are told , to {disfmarker} to do this In the {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} analogously to the way you would do \" someone fixed the car with a wrench \" . And then you hand it back to your hippocampus and find out {pause} what that , you know ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Means .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "means , and then {pause} come up with that {disfmarker} so who that someone was .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "The WH question has this as sort of extra thing which says \" and when you 're done , tell me who fills that slot \" or w you know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , um . And , you know , this is sort of a nice way to do it , the idea of sort of saying that you treat {disfmarker} from the simulation point of view or whatever {disfmarker} you treat , uh , WH constructions similarly to uh , indefinite pronouns like \" someone fixed the car \" because {pause} lots of languages , um , have WH questions with an indefinite pronoun in situ or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Use actually the same one .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and you just get intonation to tell you that it 's a question . So it makes sense",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Alright , which is",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Skolemization .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in logic , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} it 's actual Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . {vocalsound} Let 's put a Skolem {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Skolem constant in ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . shko",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah . {pause} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That - that 's not {disfmarker} that 's not saying it 's bad ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . No . Of course .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it 's just that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} the logicians have {disfmarker} have , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . It makes sense from that point of view , too , which is actually better .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "come up with this",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So yeah , um . Anyway , but just that kind of thing and we 'll figure out exactly how to write that up and so on , but",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , all the focus stuff . We sort of just dropped that cuz it was too weird and we didn't even know , like , what we were talking about {comment} exactly , what the object of study was .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um - mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} I mean , i part of {disfmarker} of what the exercise is , t by the end of next week , is to say what are the things that we just don't have answers for yet .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine . I mean",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you {disfmarker} if you do wanna discuss focus {pause} background and then get me into that because {disfmarker} I mean , I wo I w scientifically worked on that for {disfmarker} for almost two years .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , then certainly we will . Good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you should definitely , um be on on that {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} maybe by {disfmarker} after Monday we 'll {disfmarker} y you can see what things we are and aren't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . w We should figure out what our questions are , for example , {vocalsound} to ask you .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Wel - then t Hans . Has {disfmarker} I haven't seen Hans Boas ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "He 's been around .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Just maybe not today .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So has he been {disfmarker} been involved with this , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Eh . with us ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I would say that tha that those discussions have been primarily , um , Keith and {disfmarker} Keith and me , but um like in th the meeting {disfmarker} I mean , he sort of {disfmarker} I thin like the last meeting we had , I think we were all very much part of it",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but {pause} um",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Sometimes Hans has been sort of coming in there as sort of like a {pause} devil 's advocate type role or something ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but different perspec Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "like {pause} \" This make {disfmarker} you know , I 'm going to pretend I 'm a linguist who has nothing to do with this . This makes no sense . \" And he 'll just go off on parts of it which {pause} definitely need fixing",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but aren't where we 're at right now , so it 's",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} like what you call certain things ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "which we decided long ago we don't care that much right now .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But in a sense , it 's good to know that he {pause} of all people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "you know , like maybe a lot of people would have m much stronger reactions , so , you know , he 's like a relatively friendly linguist",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and yet a word like \" constraint \" causes a lot of problems . And , so . {pause} Right . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . This is consistent with um the role I had suggested that he {disfmarker} he play ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "OK , which was {pause} that o one of the things I would like to see happen is a paper that was tentatively called \" Towards a formal cognitive semantics \" which was addressed to these linguists {pause} uh {pause} who haven't been following {pause} this stuff at all .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "So {pause} it could be that he 's actually , at some level , thinking about how am I going to {pause} communicate this story {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "So , internally , we should just do {pause} whatever works ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "cuz it 's hard enough .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm . {pause} Sure .",
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"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "but y y you don't want to make it worse .",
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"content": "Yeah . No , right . I mean , tha that role is {disfmarker} is , uh , indispensable",
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"content": "So .",
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"content": "but that 's not where sort of our heads were at in these meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "It was a little strange .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah , yeah . {disfmarker} No , that 's fine . I just wanted t to I have to catch up with him , and I wanted t to get a feeling for that . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "So I don't know what his take will be on these meetings exactly , you know .",
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"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Cuz sometimes he sort of sounds like we 're talking a bunch of goobledy - gook from his point of view .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and Ben and {disfmarker} and Hans are , if {disfmarker} if anything , more {disfmarker} you know , they have more to say than , let 's say , I would about some of these things .",
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"content": "Right .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "s Which is fine .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "and {pause} um that 's , you know , I think {pause} very close to the maximum number of people working together that can get something done .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yes . Yeah . We actually have {disfmarker} I think we have been making progress ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "and its sort of surprising .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I definitely get that impression . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "You know , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah . So anyone else would like uh {comment} ruin the balance of {disfmarker} Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Well , but {disfmarker} Well . But th th then w then we have to come back to the bigger group .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} {pause} Great . And then we 're gon we 're gonna {disfmarker} because of this other big thing we haven't talked about is {pause} actually implementing this stuff ? So that I guess the three of us are gonna connect tomorrow about that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Yeah , we could talk tomorrow . I was just gonna say , though , that , for instance , there was {disfmarker} you know , out of a meeting with Johno {pause} came the suggestion that \" oh , could it be that the {pause} meaning {pause} constraints really aren't used for selection ? \" which has sort of been implicit {pause} in the parsing {pause} strategy we talked about .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "In which case we w we can just say that they 're the effects or the bindings . Which {pause} uh , so far , in terms of like putting up all the constraints as , you know , pushing them into type constraints , the {disfmarker} when I 've , you know , propo then proposed it to linguists who haven't yet given me {disfmarker} you know , we haven't yet thought of a reason that that wouldn't work . Right ? As long as we allow our type constraints to be reasonably {pause} complex .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Well , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Anyway , to be {disfmarker} to talk about later .",
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"content": "Yeah , it has to in the sense that you 're gonna use them eventu it 's {disfmarker} you know , it 's sort of a , um , generate and test kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . {pause} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "and if you over - generate then you 'll have to do more . I mean , if there are some constraints that you hold back and don't use uh , in your initial matching then you 'll match some things {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . {pause} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I d I don't think there 's any way that it could completely fail . It {disfmarker} it could be that uh , you wind up {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} The original bad idea of purely context - free grammars died because {pause} there were just vastly too many parses . You know , exponentially num num many parses . And so th the concern might be that {disfmarker} not that it would totally fail , but that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . That it would still generate too many . {comment} Right ? So by just having semantic even bringing semantics in for matching just in the form of j semantic types , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "it would still genera",
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"content": "Like \" conceptually these have to be construed as this , this , and this \" might still give us quite a few possibilities",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "that , you know {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and it certainly helps a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "We don't know , but , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "I mean , le let 's put it that way . So .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "No question . Yeah . And I think it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a perfectly fine place to start . You know , and say , let let 's see how far we can go this way .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . {pause} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "And , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Well it definitely makes the problem easier .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm in favor of that . Uh , cuz I think i I think it 's {disfmarker} As you know , I think it 's real hard and if w if we {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "So {pause} Friday , Monday",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Monday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . OK , that 's {disfmarker} Tuesday .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} {comment} th that 's the conclusion . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , you your dance card is {pause} completely filled now ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Shoot .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I have nothing to do this weekend but work .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Why don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "No , that 's not really true ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Bummer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "but like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "What about {disfmarker} What about DDR ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "It 's almost true .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Oh , I don't have it this weekend , so , tsk {comment} don't have to worry about that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "DDR , he asked ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Speaking of dance , Dance Dance Revolution I can't believe I 'm {disfmarker} It 's a {disfmarker} it 's like a game , but it 's for , like , dancing . Hard to {disfmarker} It 's like karaoke , but for dancing , and they tell you what {disfmarker} It 's amazing . It 's so much fun . Yeah , it 's so good . My friend has a home version and he brought it over , and we are so into it . It 's so amazing . Well , y you know of it ? I i i it 's one of your hobbies ? It 's great exercise , I must say . I can't wait to hear this . Uh - huh . Oh , definitely . They have , like , places {disfmarker} instead of like {disfmarker} Yeah , instead of karaoke bars now that have , like , DDR , like {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah , I didn't until I started hanging out with this friend , who 's like \" Oh , well , I can bring over the DDR if you want . \" Oh , oh , Dance Dance Revolution {disfmarker} OK . He actually brought a clone called Stepping Selection , but it 's just as good . So . Anyw",
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"answer": "The first phase of the data collection has finished. There is a new wizard for phase two, during which subjects will be given more complex scenarios. An alternative representation of the Bayes-net, it depicts context features as classes, and dependencies as relations between them. Following this, a visiting researcher presented an overview of a parallel project at the International University. It attempts to build a smart tutoring system for a computer science course. The assumption is that document searches can give more personalised results, if they take into account contextual parameters (user, situation). There were also further suggestions for meetings with ICSI researchers.",
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"answer": "The first phase of the data collection has finished. There is a new wizard for phase two, during which subjects will be given more complex scenarios. Also finished are the modifications on SmartKom: the remaining glitches will take no more than a day to iron out. A big part of the meeting was covered by the presentation of the PRM of the proposed system.",
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"answer": "As the data collection is going into its second phase, more complex scenarios will be used to generate more intricate dialogues. Subjects can be recruited from within the Psychology department students, since such participation in experiments is compulsory in their syllabus.",
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"answer": "An alternative representation of the Bayes-net, it depicts context features as classes, and dependencies as relations between them. The current outputs show the desirability of a site, as well as its EVA mode. The fact that this model allows for instantiations of classes fits the research purposes much better than the extended belief-net.",
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"content": "Why ?",
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{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "I 'm known . I {disfmarker}",
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"content": "No , cuz she already told me it , before she told you .",
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"content": "No , she told me a long time ago . She told me {disfmarker} she told me like two weeks ago .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Oh , well , it doesn't matter what time .",
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"content": "OK . You know how to toggle the display width {pause} function {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Well maybe she hadn't just started transcribing me yet .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "What is it ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Let me explain something to you .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "My laugh is better than yours .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "there .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "I beg to differ .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yo .",
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"content": "Um , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "But you have to say something genuinely funny before you 'll get an example .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "The thing is I don't know how to get to the next page . Here .",
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"content": "No . You should be {disfmarker} at least be self - satisfied enough to laugh at your own jokes .",
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"content": "No , it 's a different laugh .",
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"content": "How weird .",
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"content": "Oh ! Holy mackerel .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Wow . Whoa !",
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"content": "What ? ! Oh . OK . I wasn't even doing anything . {vocalsound} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Eva 's got a laptop , she 's trying to show it off .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "That was r actually Robert 's idea . But anyhow . Um",
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"content": "O K . So , here we are .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Once again .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Once again , right , together . Um , so we haven't had a meeting for a while , and {disfmarker} and probably won't have one next week , I think a number of people are gone . Um , so Robert , why don't you bring us up to date on where we are with EDU ?",
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"content": "Um , uh in a {disfmarker} in a smaller group we had uh , talked and decided about continuation of the data collection . So Fey 's time with us is almost officially over , and she brought us some thirty subjects and , t collected the data , and ten dialogues have been transcribed and can be looked at . If you 're interested in that , talk to me . Um , and we found another uh , cogsci student who 's interested in playing wizard for us . Here we 're gonna make it a little bit more complicated for the subjects , uh this round . She 's actually suggested to look um , at the psychology department students , because they have to partake in two experiments in order to fulfill some requirements . So they have to be subjected , {vocalsound} {comment} before they can actually graduate . And um , we want to design it so that they really have to think about having some time , two days , for example , to plan certain things and figure out which can be done at what time , and , um , sort of package the whole thing in a {disfmarker} in a re in a few more complicated um , structure . That 's for the data collection . As for SmartKom , I 'm {disfmarker} the last SmartKom meeting I mentioned that we have some problems with the synthesis , which as of this morning should be resolved . And , so ,",
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{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "\" should be \" means they aren't yet , but {disfmarker} but I think I have the info now that I need . Plus , Johno and I are meeting tomorrow , so maybe uh uh , when tomorrow is over , we 're done . And ha n hav we 'll never have to look at it again Maybe it 'll take some more time , to be realistic , but at least we 're {disfmarker} we 're seeing the end of the tunnel there . That was that . Um , the uh , uh I don't think we need to discuss the formalism that 'll be done officially s once we 're done . Um , something happened , in {disfmarker} on Eva 's side with the PRM that we 're gonna look at today , and um , we have a visitor from Bruchsal from the International University . Andreas , I think you 've met everyone except Nancy .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Sorry . Hi . Hi .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Hi . Hi .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "So when you said \" Andreas \" I thought you were talking about Stolcke .",
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"content": "And , um ,",
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{
"content": "Now I know that we aren't , OK .",
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"content": "Andy , you actually go by Andy , right ? Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Eh {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Cuz there is another Andreas around ,",
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"content": "Hmm .",
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{
"content": "so , to avoid some confusion .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "That will be {pause} Reuter ? Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "So my scientific director of the EML is also the dean of the International University , one of his many occupations that just contributes to the fact that he is very occupied . And , um , the {disfmarker} um , he @ @ might tell us a little bit about what he 's actually doing , and why it is s somewhat related , and {disfmarker} by uh using maybe some of the same technologies that we are using . And um . Was that enough of an update ?",
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"content": "I think so .",
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{
"content": "In what order shall we proceed ?",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Uh , yeah , sure . Um , so , I 've be just been looking at , um , Ack ! What are you doing ? Yeah . OK . Um , I 've been looking at the PRM stuff . Um , so , this is , sort of like the latest thing I have on it , and I sorta constructed a couple of classes . Like , a user class , a site class , and {disfmarker} and you know , a time , a route , and then {disfmarker} and a query class . And I tried to simplify it down a little bit , so that I can actually um , look at it more . It 's the same paper that I gave to Jerry last time . Um , so basically I took out a lot of stuff , a lot of the decision nodes , and then tried to {disfmarker} The red lines on the , um , graph are the um , relations between the different um , classes . Like , a user has like , a query , and then , also has , you know um , reference slots to its preferences , um , the special needs and , you know , money , and the user interest . And so this is more or less similar to the flat Bayes - net that I have , you know , with the input nodes and all that . And {disfmarker} So I tried to construct the dependency models , and a lot of these stuff I got from the flat Bayes - net , and what they depend on , and it turns out , you know , the CPT 's are really big , if I do that , so I tried to see how I can do , um {disfmarker} put in the computational nodes in between . And what that would look like in a PRM . And so I ended up making several classes {disfmarker} Actually , you know , a class of {disfmarker} with different attributes that are the intermediate nodes , and one of them is like , time affordability money affordability , site availability , and the travel compatibility . And so some of these classes are {disfmarker} s some of these attributes only depend on stuff from , say , the user , or s f just from , I don't know , like the site . S like , um , these here , it 's only like , user , but , if you look at travel compatibility for each of these factors , you need to look at a pair of , you know , what the um , preference of the user is versus , you know , what type of an event it is , or you know , which form of transportation the user has and whether , you know , the onsite parking matters to the user , in that case . And that makes the scenario a little different in a PRM , because , um , then you have one - user objects and potentially you can have many different sites in {disfmarker} in mind . And so for each of the site you 'll come up with this rating , of travel compatibility . And , they all depend on the same users , but different sites , and that makes a {disfmarker} I 'm tr I w I wa have been trying to see whether the PRM would make it more efficient if we do inferencing like that . And so , I guess you end up having fewer number of nodes than in a flat Bayes - net , cuz otherwise you would {disfmarker} c well , it 's probably the same . But um , No , you would definitely have {disfmarker} be able to re - use , like , {vocalsound} um , all the user stuff , and not {disfmarker} not having to recompute a lot of the stuff , because it 's all from the user side . So if you changed sites , you {disfmarker} you can , you know , save some work on that . But , you know , in the case where , it depends on both the user and the site , then I 'm still having a hard time trying to see how um , using the PRM will help . Um , so anyhow , using those intermediate nodes then , this {disfmarker} this would be the class that represent the intermediate nodes . And that would {disfmarker} basically it 's just another class in the model , with , you know , references to the user and the site and the time . And then , after you group them together this {disfmarker} no the dependencies would {disfmarker} of the queries would be reduced to this . And so , you know , it 's easier to specify the CPT and all . Um , so I think that 's about as far as I 've gone on the PRM stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No . So y you didn't yet tell us what the output is .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The output .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So what decisions does this make ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So it only makes two decisions , in this model . And one is basically how desirable a site is meaning , um , how good it matches the needs of a user . And the other is the mode of the visit , whether th It 's the EVA decision . Um , so , instead of um , {vocalsound} doing a lot of , you know , computation about , you know , which one site it wants of {disfmarker} the user wants to visit , I 'll come {disfmarker} well , try to come up with like , sort of a list of sites . And for each site , you know , where {disfmarker} h how {disfmarker} how well it fits , and basically a rating of how well it fits and what to do with it . So . Anything else I missed ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So that was pretty quick . She 's ac uh uh Eva 's got a little write - up on it that uh , probably gives the {disfmarker} the details to anybody who needs them . Um , so the {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you didn't look at all yet to see if there 's anybody has a implementation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No , not yet , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So one {disfmarker} so one of the questions , you know , about these P R Ms is",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "uh , we aren't gonna build our own interpreter , so if {disfmarker} if we can't find one , then we uh , go off and do something else and wait until s one appears . Uh , so one of the things that Eva 's gonna do over the next few weeks is see if we can track that down . Uh , the people at Stanford write papers as if they had one , but , um , we 'll see . So w Anyway . So that 's a {disfmarker} a major open issue . If there is an interpreter , it looks like you know , what Eva 's got should run and we should be able to actually um , try to solve , you know , the problems , to actually take the data , and do it . Uh , and we 'll see . Uh , I actually think it is cleaner , and the ability to instantiate , you know , instance of people and sites and stuff , um , will help in the expression . Whether the inference gets any faster or not I don't know . Uh , it wouldn't surprise me if it {disfmarker} if it doesn't .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's the same kind of information . I think there are things that you can express this way which you can't express in a normal belief - net , uh , without going to some incredible hacking of {disfmarker} sort of rebuilding it on the fly . I mean , the notion of instantiating your el elements from the ontology and stuff fits this very nicely and doesn't fit very well into the extended belief - net . So that was one of the main reasons for doing it . Um . I don't know . So , uh , people who have thought about the problem , like Robert i it looked to me like if {comment} Eva were able to come up with a {vocalsound} you know , value for each of a number of uh , sites plus its EVA thing , that a travel planner should be able to take it from there . And {disfmarker} you know , with some other information about how much time the person has and whatever , and then plan a route .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um - hmm , um , {vocalsound} well , first of all uh , uh , great looks , mu much cleaner , nnn , nnn , Certain {disfmarker} certain beauty in it , so , um , if beauty is truth , then , uh we 're in good shape . But , the um , as , uh , mentioned before we probably should look at t the details . So if you have a write - up then uh , I 'd love to read it",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker} because , um , i Can you go all the way back to the {disfmarker} the very top ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} uh these {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} these {disfmarker} w w when these are instantiated they take on the same values ? that we had before ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I can't really see the whole thing .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "or are they {disfmarker} have they changed , in a sense ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well I think I basically leave them to similar things .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Some of the things might {disfmarker} that might be different , maybe like {disfmarker} are that the hours for the site .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And , eventually I meant that to mean whether they 're open at this hour or not .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And status would be , you know , more or less like , whether they 're under construction , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} or stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And the , uh , other question I would have is that presumably , from the way the Stanford people talk about it , you can put the probabilities also on the relations . If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which is the structural uncertainty ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That I think was actually in the previous {disfmarker} the Ubenth stuff . I don't remember whether they carried that over to this or not ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh , structural uncertainty .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's sort of in the definition or {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in Daphne 's definition of a PRM is that classes and relations ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and you 're gonna have CPT 's over the classes and their relations .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "More uncertainty , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I should say .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I remember them learning when , you know , you don't know the structure for sure ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but I don't remember reading how you specify",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be exactly my question .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "wh to start with . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , uh , the {disfmarker} the plan is {disfmarker} is when Daphne gets back , we 'll get in touch and supposedly , um , we 'll actually get s deep {disfmarker} seriously connected to {disfmarker} to their work and",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "somebody 'll {disfmarker} Uh , you know {disfmarker} If it 's a group meeting once a week probably someone 'll go down and , whatever . So , we 'll actually figure all this out .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Then I think the w {vocalsound} long term perspective is {disfmarker} is pretty clear . We get rocking and rolling on this again , once we get a package , if , when , and how , then this becomes foregrounded",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "profiled , focused , again .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Designated ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Of course .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And um , until then we 'll come up with a something that 's {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} that 's way more complicated for you . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Because this was laughingly easy , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Actually I had to take out a lot of the complicated stuff , cuz I {disfmarker} I made it really complicated in the beginning , and Jerry was like , {vocalsound} \" this is just too much \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , um , you could , from this , go on and say suppose there 's a group of people traveling together and you wanted to plan something that somehow , with some Pareto optimal uh , {vocalsound} uh , thing for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . That 's definitely a job for artificial intelligence .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Except for humans can't really solve it either , so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's not {disfmarker} not even something humans {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Well that 's the {disfmarker} that would {disfmarker} that would be a {disfmarker} uh , you could sell it , as a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , eh you don't have to fight about this , just give your preferences to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And then you can blame the computer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "w Exactly .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . But what does it {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Would a pote potential result be to {disfmarker} to split up and never talk to each other again ? You know .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That should be one of them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be nice .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway . So . So there i there are some {disfmarker} some u uh , you know , uh , elaborations of this that you could try to put in to this structure , but I don't think it 's worth it now . Because we 're gonna see what {disfmarker} what else uh {disfmarker} what else we 're gonna do . Anyway . But uh , it 's good , yeah and {disfmarker} and there were a couple other ideas of {disfmarker} of uh , things for Eva to look at in {disfmarker} in the interim .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Good . Then , we can move on and see what Andreas has got out his sleeve . Or Andy , for that matter ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So uh , uh , well , thanks for having me here , first of all . Um , so maybe just a {disfmarker} a little background on {disfmarker} on my visit . So , uh , I 'm not really involved in any project , that 's uh {disfmarker} that 's relevant to you uh , a at the moment , uh , the {disfmarker} the reason is really for me uh , to have an opportunity to talk to some other researchers in the field . And {disfmarker} and so I 'll just n sort of give you a real quick introduction to what I 'm working on , and um , I just hope that you have some comments or , maybe you 're interested in it to find out more , and {disfmarker} and so I 'll be uh , happy to talk to you and {disfmarker} and uh , I 'd also like to find out some more and {disfmarker} and maybe I 'll just walk around the office and and then {disfmarker} and ask some {disfmarker} some questions , uh , in a couple days . So I 'll be here for uh , tomorrow and then uh , the remainder of uh , next week . OK , so , um , what I started looking at , uh , to begin with is just uh , content management systems uh , i i in general . So um , uh what 's uh {disfmarker} Sort of the state of the art there is to um {disfmarker} uh you have a bunch of {disfmarker} of uh documents or learning units or learning objects , um , and you store meta - data uh , associate to them . So there 's some international standards like the I - triple - E , uh {disfmarker} There 's an I - triple - E , LON standard , and um , these fields are pretty straightforward , you have uh author information , you have uh , size information , format information and so on . Uh , but they 're two uh fields that are um , more interesting . One is uh you store keywords associated with the uh {disfmarker} with the document , and one is uh , you have sort of a , um , well , what is the document about ? So it 's some sort of taxonomic uh , ordering of {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} of the units . Now , if you sort of put on your semantic glasses , uh you say , well that 's not all that easy , because there 's an implicit um , uh , assumption behind that is that uh , all the users of this system share the same interpretation of the keyword and the same interpretation of uh , whichever taxonomy is used , and uh , I think that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a very {disfmarker} that 's a key point of these systems and they sort of always brush over this real quickly without really elaborating much of that and uh {disfmarker} As a matter of fact , the only thing that m apparently really works out so far are library ordering codes , which are very , very coarse grain , so you have some like , science , biology , and then {disfmarker} But that 's really all that we have at the moment . So I think there 's a huge , um , uh need for improvement there . Now , what this uh {disfmarker} a standard like this would give us is we could um , sort of uh with a search engine just query uh , different repositories all over the world . But we can't really {disfmarker} Um , so what I 'm {disfmarker} what I try to do is um , to have um , uh {disfmarker} So . So the scenario is the following , you you 're working on some sort of project and you encounter a certain problem . Now , what {disfmarker} what we have at our university quite a bit is that uh , students um , try to u program a certain assignment , for example , they always run into the same problems , uh , and they always come running to us , and they 'll say why 's it not {disfmarker} it 's not working , and we always give out the same answer , so we thought , well , it 'd be nice to have a system that could sort of take care of this , and so , what I want to build is basically a {disfmarker} a smart F A Q system . Now , what you uh need to do here is you need to provide some context information which is more elaborate than \" I 'm looking for this and this and this keyword . \" So . And I think that I don't need to tell you this . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure you have the same {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when somebody utters a sentence in a certain , uh , context it , and {disfmarker} and the same sentence in another context makes a huge difference . So , I want to be able to model information like , um , so in the {disfmarker} in the context of {disfmarker} in the context of developing distributed systems , of a at a computer science school , um , what kind of software is the person using , which homework assignment is he or she working on at the moment , um , maybe what 's the background of that student 's um , which um , which error message was encountered . So this sort of information I think should be transmitted , uh , when a certain document is retrieved . Now , um , basically giving this um {disfmarker} Uh so we somehow need to have a formalized um , way of writing this down basically , and that 's where the shared interpretation of {disfmarker} of certain terms and keywords comes in again . And , using this and some {disfmarker} some uh , knowledge about the domain I think you can do some {disfmarker} some simple inferences . Like you know that when somebody 's working about {disfmarker} uh , working on {disfmarker} on servlets for example , he 's using Java , cuz servlets are used {disfmarker} are written in Java . So some {disfmarker} some inferences like that , now , um , u using this you can infer more information , and you could then match this to the meta - data of um {disfmarker} off the documents you 're {disfmarker} you 're searching against . So , uh what I wanna do is basically have some sort of um {disfmarker} given these inputs , and then I can compute how many documents match , and use this as a metric in the search . Now , what I plan to do is I want to uh sort of do a uh {disfmarker} uh {pause} try to improve the quality of the search results , and I want to do this by having a depth uh , um , um {disfmarker} steepest descent approach . So if I knew which operating system the person was working on , would this improve my search result ? And {disfmarker} and having uh , uh a symbolic formalized model of this I could simply compute that , and find out which um {disfmarker} which questions are worth um , asking . And that 's what I then propagate back to the user , and {disfmarker} and sort of try to optimize the search in this way . Now , the big problem that I 'm facing right now is um , it 's fairly easy to hack up a system uh quickly , that {disfmarker} that works in the small domain , but the problem is obviously the scalability . And uh uh , so Robert was mentioning uh , earlier today is that uh , Microsoft for example with their printer set up program has a Bayesian network , which does exactly this , but there you face a problem that these are very hard to extend . And so , uh what I 'm {disfmarker} What I try to do is basically try to model this uh , in a way that you could really combine uh , knowledge from very different sources , and {disfmarker} and um , sort of looking into some of the ideas that the semantic web community uh , came up with . Trying to {disfmarker} to have uh , an approach how to integrate s uh certain uh {disfmarker} representation of certain concepts and also some computational rules , um , what you can do with those . Um . What I 'm also looking into is a probabilistic approach into this because document retrievals is a very fuzzy procedure , so it 's probably not that easy to simply have a symbolic uh , computational model . That {disfmarker} that probably isn't expressive enough . So . So that 's another thing , um , which I think you 're also uh , uh looking into right now . And then um , uh sort of as an add - on to this whole idea , um , uh that would be now , depending on what the search engine or the content repository {disfmarker} depending on which {disfmarker} um , uh , which uh , rules and which ontologies it {disfmarker} it uses , or basically its view of the world , uh you can get very different results . So it might ma make a lot of sense to actually query a lot of different search engines . And there you could have an idea where you actually have sort of a {disfmarker} a peer to peer approach , where we 're all sort of carrying around our individual bookshelves , and um , if you have a question about a homework , it 's {disfmarker} probably makes sense to ask somebody who 's in your class with you , sort of the guru in the certain area , rather than going to some Yahoo - like uh , search engine . So these are some of the {disfmarker} just in a nutshell , some of the ideas . And I think a lot of the {disfmarker} even though it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a very different domain , but I think a lot of the , um , issues are {disfmarker} are fairly similar . So . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And so some of the {disfmarker} I don't know how much you know about the larger Heidelberg project , I {disfmarker} Are you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh I know , yeah I know abou about it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it seems like a lot of {disfmarker} some of the issues are the same . It 's like , um , you know , the c context - based factors that influence how you interpret ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um , s how to interpret . In {disfmarker} in this case , infer in in knowing {disfmarker} wanting to know what kinds of things to ask . We - we 've kind of talked about that , but we haven't worried too much about that end of the discourse .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But maybe you guys had that in the previous models .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , in a {disfmarker} in one {disfmarker} t one s mmm , small difference in a {disfmarker} in a way , is that he doesn't have to come up with an answer , but he wants to point to the places w w",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Documents that have the answers .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so . So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not building an expert {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I want to build a smart librarian , basically",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "that can point you to the right reference . I don't wanna compute the answer , so it 's a little bit easier for me .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well . Uh , you have to s still m understand what the content says about itself , and then match it to what you think the informational needs {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So you also don't have to figure out what the content is . You 're just taking the keywords as a topic text , as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I assume that {disfmarker} that the there will be learning systems that {disfmarker} that tag their {disfmarker} their content .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And um , um , m @ @ and basically what I {disfmarker} what I envision is that you {disfmarker} rather than just supplying a bunch of keywords you could basically {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for an FAQ for example you could state sort of like a logic condition , when this document applies . So \" this document explains how to set up your uh , mail account on Linux \" or something like this .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . So something {disfmarker} something very specific that you can then {disfmarker} But the {disfmarker} I think that the key point with these uh , learning systems is that uh , a learning system is only as good as uh the amount of content it {disfmarker} it carries .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Uh , unfortunately , Srini , who is heavily involved in DAML and all this sort of stuff is himself out of town .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Well I 'll go to the uh , Semantic Web Workshop , uh , in two weeks .",
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"content": "And , he 's in one of the rooms on the fifth floor and stuff ,",
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"content": "Hmm . Well , if you fal solve the problem , {vocalsound} hope you can do one for us too .",
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"content": "Alright , was there anything else for this ? One of these times soon we 're gonna hear about construal .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Um ,",
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"content": "Wait a second . That 's a long way away .",
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"content": "Maybe easier . I don't know . So this is reading , rather than teaching {disfmarker} Another project we started on , and {disfmarker} and didn't get funded for was , uh , to try to build an automatic tutoring program , for kids whose first language wasn't English . Which is like half the school population in California . Something like that ,",
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"content": "isn't it ? Yeah . So , enormous problem in California , and the idea was if we 're so smart about language understanding and speech understanding , couldn't we build {vocalsound} uh , programs that would be tutors for the kids . We think we could . Anyway . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} But this is a slightly different problem ,",
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "hello . Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "One t",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how many are there , one to five ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "One five , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , please .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Would you like to join the meeting ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , we don't wanna renumber them ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I bet {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them . So , let 's keep the same numbers on them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK , that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , Dan , are you on ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm on {disfmarker} I 'm on two and I should be on .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we {disfmarker} do {disfmarker} do we have a spare , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones , so I assume {pause} the various and assorted P Z Ms are on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We ' r we 're {disfmarker} we ' r This is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is a meeting meeting .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "This is abou we 're {disfmarker} we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Stuff . Yeah , this is not something you need to attend . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . e OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "You 're always having one of those days , Dave .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Y you 'd be welcome .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You 'd be welcome .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , Dan ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's not neck mounted . It 's supposed to be h head mounted .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It {disfmarker} it should be head mounted . Right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , then put it on your head .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What are you doing ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz when you do this , you can {disfmarker} Rouww - Rouww .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Why didn't I {disfmarker} you were saying that but I could hear you really well on the {disfmarker} on the transcription {disfmarker} on the , uh , tape .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their head",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but they were complaining about it . Because it 's not {disfmarker} it doesn't go over the ears .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Why ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's badly designed .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's very badly designed so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's very badly designed ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's only badly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's strange .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's what I have .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And it feels so good that way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It feels so good when I stop .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I again would like to do some digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Somebody wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Try it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Somebody wanna close the door ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We could do it with noise .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So let me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You 're always doing digits .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of {disfmarker} digit - y g sorta guy . OK . So this is Adam .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is the same one I had before .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I doubt it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's still the same words .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think we 're session four by the way . Or m it might be five .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Psss ! Oh , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I didn't bring my previous thing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's the microphone number .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's the microphone number .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , d leave the channel blank .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - oh . OK , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But number has to be {disfmarker} ? So we have to look up the number .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Five {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Good . OK . Well , this is Jane , on mike number five . Um . I just start ? Do I need to say anything more ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , transcript number .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Transcript number {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "This is Beck on mike four .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , God . No , let me do it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Why ? Are you gonna do something other than hit \" quit \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Should have done it before .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you said turn off the what ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The VU meter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was a reasonable hypothesis , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I See .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That was me ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I 'm sorry y",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I thought that was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That was malarkey .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug . Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No chance of that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No chance of that . Just because it 's beta . Look OK ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there was {disfmarker} there was a {disfmarker} there was a bug . There was a glitch last time we ran .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you know which channels {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we usually do that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , we don't .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But we {disfmarker} we ought to st we ought to standardize .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Why not ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I think , {vocalsound} uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan , {comment} about that . I think {disfmarker} I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Why don't you just do this ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's what we 've done before .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I know what they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're four , three , two , one . In order now .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Three , two , {vocalsound} and one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Three .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But I think {disfmarker} I think we should put them in standard positions . I think we should make little marks on the table top .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So that we can put them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I guess that 's the point .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 'll be a lot easier if we have a {disfmarker} if we have them permanently in place or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I do wish there were big booms coming down from the ceiling .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "You do ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Would it make you feel more important ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Wait till the projector gets installed .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 'll work .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 'll be good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 'll work .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , gosh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's gonna hang down , make noise .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "When 's it gonna be installed ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} it depends on",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is this b is this being recorded ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I think Lila actually is almost getting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out the purchase order .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I handed it off to her about a month ago .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , so , topic of this meeting is I wanna talk a little bit about transcription . Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services and Jane has been working on doing transcription . Uh , and so we wan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that and then get an update on the electronics , and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructure and tools , and so on . Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing and we should decide how we 're gonna {disfmarker} how we 're gonna handle some of these factors . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Distribute what ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The data ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . I mean , so we 're {disfmarker} we 're collecting a corpus and I think it 's gonna be generally useful . I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is {disfmarker} uh , has been done before . And so I think people will be interested in having {disfmarker} having it ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and so we will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "u Using , like , audio D V Ds or something like that ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Audio D V",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , or something . Yeah , audio D V C Ds ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or t",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . tapes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how do we {disfmarker} how do we just do all that infrastructure ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think {disfmarker} I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to {disfmarker} to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , but {disfmarker} but so should we do it in the same format as LDC",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . The {disfmarker} It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to {pause} preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , uh , as it is , it 's sort of a {pause} ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "A field trip .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there . That would be kind of fun .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Visit my friends and spend some time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Different for you . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits . So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other things that make it really easy to extract out {vocalsound} and align where the digits are . And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for them to do these digits tasks as well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc , um , so we might wanna change it over to something a little more standard .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You know , STM files , or XML , or something .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "An - and there 's interest up there ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "What 's that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's interest up there ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well they {disfmarker} they certainly wanna collect more data . And so they 're applying , I think I B Is that right ? Something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , for some more money to do more data . So we were planning to do like thirty or forty hours worth of meetings . They wanna do an additional hundred or so hours . So , they want a very large data set . Um , but of course we 're not gonna do that if we don't get money . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And I would like that just to get a disjoint speaker set and a disjoint room . I mean , one of the things Morgan and I were talking about is we 're gonna get to know this room really well ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the acoustics of this room .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "All about that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Including the fan .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Including the fan .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Did you notice the fan difference ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , now you 've touched the fan control , now all our data 's gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hear the difference ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's enormous .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's better .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna leave it off or not ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's better .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "All the others have been on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} You sure ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "y Absolut",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "things after the f then This fan 's wired backwards by the way . Uh , I think this is high speed here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's noticeable .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , not clear .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's {disfmarker} well like {vocalsound} \" low \" is mid {disfmarker} mid - scale .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it {disfmarker} Maybe it isn't .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So it could be {vocalsound} that it 's not actually wired backwards",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "it 's just that ambiguous .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I was wondering also , Get ready . {comment} whether the lights made any noise .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's definitely {disfmarker} Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , they do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a little bit .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "High pitch hum . Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} do our meetings in the dark with no air conditioning in the future .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just get a variety .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "They 're very good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It would {disfmarker} you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you {vocalsound} turn off the {disfmarker} {comment} turn off the air conditioning ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Carbon monoxide poisoning ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Short meetings , that 's right . Or {disfmarker} Yeah , sort of {comment} r r",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "got to finish this meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Tear t {pause} Tear your clothing off to stay cool .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , the a th air {disfmarker} the air conditioning 's still working , that 's just an auxiliary fan .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right , I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , in addition to this issue about the UW stuff there was announced today , uh , via the LDC , um , a corpus from I believe Santa Barbara .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I saw it . I 've been watching for that corpus .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , of general spoken English .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And I don't know exactly how they recorded it but apparently there 's a lot of different {vocalsound} styles of speech and what not .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "They had people come in to a certain degree and they {disfmarker} and they have DAT recorders .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see . So it is sort of far field stuff . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I assume so , actually , I hadn't thought about that . Unless they added close field later on but , um , I 've listened to some of those data and I , um , I 've been {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was actually on the advisory board for when they set the project up .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What 's it sound like ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm glad to see that it got released .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I wish {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So it it 's a very nice thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I wish we had someone here working on adaptation",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting . You know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But it may be {disfmarker} it may be useful in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "How do you mean {disfmarker} do you mean mechanical adaptation or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , software , to adapt the speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ? In doing , um , some of our first automatic speech recognition models , it may be useful to have that kind of data",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Great idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "because that 's very different than any kind of data that we have so far .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and their recording conditions are really clean . I mean , I 've {disfmarker} I 've heard {disfmarker} I 've listened to the data .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's not good , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's not great .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It sounds {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Tr",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "well but what I mean is that , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But far field means great distance ? I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Just these .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Not head mounted ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so that 's why they 're getting away with just two channels or something , or are they using multiple DATs ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , oh , good question and I can't ans answer it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well we can look into it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , and their web {disfmarker} their web page didn't answer it either . So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} that 's sort of a beside - the - point point . But .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Still a point .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in fact we get it for free",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "cuz they 're distributing it through the LDC .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So that would be {disfmarker} yeah , that would be something to look into . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , I can {disfmarker} I can actually arrange for it to arrive in short order if we 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The other thing too is from {disfmarker} from a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need to think about it a little bit .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in {disfmarker} in the discourse domain . But they also mentioned that they have it time aligned . I mean , I s I {disfmarker} I saw that write - up .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe we should {disfmarker} maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they did",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , absolutely .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} so that we can {disfmarker} we can compare .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's very nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK , why don't you go ahead and do that then Eric ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Alright , I 'll do that . I can't remember the name of the corpus . It 's Corps - S {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "CSAE .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "S {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Corpus of Spoken American English .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sp I 've been {disfmarker} I was really pleased to see that . I knew that they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they had had some funding problems in completing it",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but , um ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "this is clever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Apparently this was like phase one",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Got it through the LDC .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that unless of course they have funding issues",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Great . Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and then then it ma they may not do phase two but {vocalsound} from all the web documentation it looked like , \" oh , this is phase one \" , whatever that means .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Super . Super . Great . Yeah , that {disfmarker} I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So this is a very good corpus .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you know {disfmarker} So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sure , of course .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That would be a meeting meeting meeting ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "A meeting meeting meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz {disfmarker} uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and {disfmarker} and Morgan 's gonna be here , and we can meet , at least this subgroup . I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub {disfmarker} to see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We need {disfmarker} we need to talk to them some more .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "you know , say \" this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription \" , if nothing else . So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Let 's .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so {comment} {vocalsound} since that 's what we 're talking about . What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called \" Transcriber \" that seems to work very well . Um , so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface and , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And this requires humans just like the {disfmarker} the STP stuff .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yeah . Right , right . So we 're {disfmarker} we 're at this point only looking for word level . So all {disfmarker} all {disfmarker} so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it , and identify the speaker . And so the things we {disfmarker} that we know {disfmarker} that I know I want are {vocalsound} the text , the start and end , and the speaker . But other people are interested in for example stress marking . And so Jane is doing primary stress , {vocalsound} um , stress marks as well . Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and , {vocalsound} filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff , {vocalsound} we have to decide how much of that we wanna do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I did include a glo {comment} uh , a certain first pass . My {disfmarker} my view on it was when you have a repair {vocalsound} then , uh {disfmarker} it seems {disfmarker} I mean , we saw , there was this presentation in the {disfmarker} one of the speech group meetings about how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that you get it bracketed in terms of like {disfmarker} well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then also {vocalsound} if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're {disfmarker} like what I just did , {vocalsound} then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish . And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part {disfmarker} and sometimes or of it 's in the middle . Anyway , {vocalsound} so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ? Or is it real {disfmarker} is that what we 're talking about here ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's part of the thing we 're talking about . So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth , you know , forty minutes to an hour ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "As a pilot study .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yourself ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} this is like five times real time or ten times real time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , as a pilot study .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ten times about , is {disfmarker} and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use . And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I wanna hear about these {disfmarker} uh , we have a g you were s continuing with the transcription conventions for s",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "R right , so {disfmarker} so one {disfmarker} one option is to get linguistics grad students and undergrads to do it . And apparently that 's happened in the past . And I think that 's probably the right way to do it . Um , it will require a post pass , I mean people will have to look at it more than once to make sure that it 's been done correctly , but I just can't imagine that we 're gonna get anything that much better from a commercial one . And the commercial ones I 'm sure will be much more expensive .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Can't we get Joy to do it all ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , {vocalsound} that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ? Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who {disfmarker} who need money",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , duh , again o",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I object to that characterization !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I meant Joy . And so again , I have to say \" are we recording \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , thank you . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and then say , uh , Morgan has {disfmarker} has consistently resisted telling me how much money we have .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , the answer is zero .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's a reason why he 's resisted .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , if it 's zero then we can't do any transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , cuz we 're {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I have such a hard name .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I can't imagine us doing it ourselves . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we already {disfmarker} we already {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We already have a plan in place for the first meeting .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "N right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well th there is als Yeah , really . There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks , {vocalsound} you can {disfmarker} you could get people to {disfmarker} to um , to do it in exchange .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , i b but seriously , I {disfmarker} I mean , Morgan 's obviously in a bind over this and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory , which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's {disfmarker} that 's the best we can do .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "i b To not do anything until we get money is {disfmarker} is ridiculous .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We 're not gonna do any {disfmarker} get anything done if we do that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students , at {disfmarker} is that right ? Talking to people about that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I should 've sent email and I haven't yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I d do {disfmarker} So until you actually {vocalsound} have a little experience with what this {disfmarker} this French thing does we don't even have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And I do have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "She 's already done quite a bit .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we have .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I have {disfmarker} a bunch of hours ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry . So that 's where you came up with the f the ten X number ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Or is that really just a guess ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Actually that 's the {disfmarker} the one people usually use , ten X .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "How fast are you ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And I haven't really calculated {disfmarker} How fast am I ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah i",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I haven't done a s see , I 've been at the same time doing kind of a boot strapping in deciding on the transcription conventions that {disfmarker} that are {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , and {disfmarker} and stuff like , you know , how much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "There 's some interesting human factors problems like , {vocalsound} yeah , what span of {disfmarker} of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz then , you know , you get like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you get a span of five words , that 's easy .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But then you have to take the time to mark it . And then there 's the issue of {vocalsound} it 's easier to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hear it th right the first time if you 've marked it at a boundary instead of {vocalsound} somewhere in the middle ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "cuz then the word 's bisected or whatever and {disfmarker} And so I mean , I 've been sort of playing with , uh , different ways of mar cuz I 'm thinking , you know , I mean , if you could get optimal instructions you could cut back on the number of hours it would take .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "D does uh {disfmarker} this tool you 're using is strictly {disfmarker} it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , it doesn't but what a super tool . It 's a great environment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but is there anyway to {disfmarker} to wire a speech recognizer up to it and actually run it through {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's an interesting idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We 've {disfmarker} we 've thought about doing that",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but the recognition quality is gonna be horrendous .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , a couple things .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "First of all the time marking you 'd get {disfmarker} you could get by a tool .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so if the {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if the issue really",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "uh , I 'm think about the close caption that you see running by on {disfmarker} on live news casts .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Most of those are done by a person .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , yo I know {disfmarker} I know that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , I understand . And {disfmarker} in a lot of them you see typos and things like that ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it {disfmarker} but it occurs to me that {vocalsound} it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But if {disfmarker} if there was a way to merge the two {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we 've talked about it",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be fun .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well s but {disfmarker} but again the timing is for fr should be for free . The timing should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But we don't care about the timing of the words .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well I thought you just {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} said that was a critical issue .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , uh the {disfmarker} the boundary {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We cut it s s",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We don't {disfmarker} we don't know , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "boundary .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We haven't decided which {disfmarker} which time we care about , and that 's kind of one of the things that you 're saying , is like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have the option to put in more or less timing data {disfmarker} and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions , {vocalsound} we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} so what {disfmarker} what she 's done so far , is sort of {disfmarker} more or less breath g not breath groups , {comment} sort of phrases , continuous phrases .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so , um , that 's nice because you {disfmarker} you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end . So that seems to work really well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's ideal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Although I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you know , the alternative , which I was sort of experimenting with before I ran out of time , {vocalsound} recently was , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that , you know , ev if it were like an arbitrary segment of time {disfmarker} i t pre - marked cuz it does take time to put those markings in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's really the i the interface is wonderful because , you know , the time it takes is you listen to it , {vocalsound} and then you press the return key . But then , you know , it 's like , {vocalsound} uh , you press the tab key to stop the flow and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , the return key to p to put in a marking of the boundary . But , you know , obviously there 's a lag between when you hear it and when you can press the return key",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so it 's slightly delayed , so then you {disfmarker} you listen to it a second time and move it over to here .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "a",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So that takes time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "i a",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Now if it could all be pre - marked at some , {vocalsound} l you know , good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "ar but",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Are {disfmarker} are those d delays adjustable ? Those delays adjustable ? See a lot of people who actually build stuff with human computer interfaces {vocalsound} understand that delay ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and so when you {disfmarker} by the time you click it it 'll be right on because it 'll go back in time to put the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It could do that",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh , not in this case .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We could program that pretty easily ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "couldn't it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It has other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "couldn't we Dan ? Yeah , mis Mister TCL ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , interesting point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I would have thought so , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! {comment} Interesting point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , that would make a difference .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's not bad",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But , if we tried to do automatic speaker ID .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it does {disfmarker} take twice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But that would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But we 've got {disfmarker} we 've got the most channel data . We 'd have to do it from your signal . Right . I mean , we 've {disfmarker} we 've got {disfmarker} we 've got a lot of data .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good point ! Ah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess the question is how much time will it really save us versus the time to write all the tools to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We 've got volume .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right . but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting {vocalsound} ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "if we can go from ten X to five X we 're doing a big {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We 're gonna need {disfmarker} we 're gonna need ten to a hundred hours to train the tools , and validate the tools the do the d to {disfmarker} to do all this anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "If we 're just doing silence detection {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but it op",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I knew you were gonna do that . Just saw it coming .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry . I wish you had told me {disfmarker} wish you 'd told me .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Put {disfmarker} put it on your sweater .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "At what part ? OK , I 'm alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , i it seems like {disfmarker} Well , uh , I don't know . Yeah . I mean , it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's maybe like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a week 's work to get to do something like this . So forty or fifty hours .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Could you get it so that with {disfmarker} so it would {disfmarker} it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ? And the {disfmarker} the format 's really transparent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's just a matter of {vocalsound} a very c clear {disfmarker} it 's XML , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's very {disfmarker} I mean , I looked at the {disfmarker} the file format and it 's just {disfmarker} it has a t a time {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a time indication and then something or other , and then an end time or something or other .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So maybe {disfmarker} maybe we could try the following experiment . Take the data that you 've already transcribed",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Is this already in the past or already in the future ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Already in the past .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You 've already {disfmarker} you 've already done some ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "She 's {disfmarker} she 's done about half a meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "She {disfmarker} she 's done one {disfmarker} she 's one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes I have .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh - Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "About half ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm go",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "S I 'm not sure if it 's that 's much but anyway , enough to work with .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Several minutes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , and {disfmarker} and throw out the words , but keep the time markings . And then go through {disfmarker} I mean , and go through and {disfmarker} and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And see if it {disfmarker} see if it {disfmarker} see if it feels easier to you .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's what I was thinking . I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , you should do it {disfmarker} you should do it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries . So you do the whole thing three times and then we get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No . Now , there 's a plan .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} then w since we need some statistics do it three more .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And so you 'll get {disfmarker} you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . I 'll do that tomorrow . I should have it finished by the end of the day .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , but the thing is the fact that she 's {disfmarker} she 's did it before just might give a lower bound . That 's all .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , which is fine .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} And if the lower bound is nine X then w it 's a waste of time .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in {disfmarker} in that case . And it 's not really strictly comparable . So I think though it 's a good proposal to be used on a new {disfmarker} a new batch of text that I haven't yet done yet in the same meeting . Could use it on the next segment of the text .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The point we {disfmarker} where do we get the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the oracle boundaries from ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or the boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one person would have to assign the boundaries and the {disfmarker} and the other person would have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but couldn't I do it for the next {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we could get fake {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's easy enough .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see what you mean .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I could do that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but the oracle boundaries would come from volume on a partic specific channel wouldn't they ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That would be the automatic boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , no . You wanna know {disfmarker} given {disfmarker} Given a perfect human segmentation , I mean , you wanna know how well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker} the question is , is it worth giving you the segmentation ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see what you mean .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that {disfmarker} that 's easy enough .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I could generate the segmentation and {disfmarker} and you could do the words , and time yourself on it . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "A little double - blind - ear kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} that might be worth doing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . I like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That would at least tell us whether it 's worth spending a week or two trying to get a tool , that will compute the segmentations .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And the thing to keep in mind too about this tool , guys is that {vocalsound} sure , you can do the computation for what we 're gonna do in the future but if {disfmarker} if UW 's talking about doing two , or three , or five times as much stuff and they can use the same tool , then obviously there 's a real multiplier there .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing too is with {disfmarker} with speaker identification , if {disfmarker} if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well it w",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , use it . Yeah , that 's why we s bought the expensive microphones .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah , I mean , that 's a nice feature .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's a major {disfmarker} that 's like , one of the two things that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there 's gonna {disfmarker} there 's gonna be {disfmarker} in the meeting , like the reading group meeting that we had the other day , that 's {disfmarker} it 's gonna be a bit of a problem",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because , like , I wasn't wearing a microphone",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "f and there were other people that weren't wearing microphones .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But you didn't say anything worth while anyway , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 'll s",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's pretty much true",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "it might save ninety percent of the work though .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but , yes .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I need to {disfmarker} we need to look at what {disfmarker} what the final output is but it seems like {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} it doesn't {disfmarker} it seems like it 's not really not that hard to have an automatic tool to generate {vocalsound} the phrase marks , and the speaker , and speaker identity without putting in the words .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 've already become pretty familiar with the format ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be so great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "so it would be easy .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "If you 'd tell me where it is , huh ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We didn't finish the {disfmarker} the part of work already completed on this , did we ? I mean , you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you talked a little bit about the transcription conventions ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and , I guess you 've mentioned in your progress report , or status report , that you had written a script to convert it into {disfmarker} So , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} when I {disfmarker} i the {disfmarker} it 's quickest for me in terms of {vocalsound} the transcription part {vocalsound} to say {vocalsound} something like , you know , if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if Adam spoke to , um {disfmarker} to just say , \" A colon \" , Like who could be , you know , I mean at the beginning of the line .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and E colon {vocalsound} instead of entering the interface for speaker identification and clicking on the thing , uh , indicating the speaker ID . So , and then he has a script that will convert it into the {disfmarker} the thing that , uh , would indicate speaker ID .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's pretty cute .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "If that 's clear .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But at any rate . So , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's Perl script .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So {disfmarker} so I think the guess at ten X seems to be pretty standard . Everyone {disfmarker} more or less everyone you talk to says about ten times for hard technical transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Using wh using stone age",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "using stone age tools .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Using {disfmarker} using stone age tools . I mean , I looked at Cyber Transcriber",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well that 's true , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "which is a service that you send an audio file , they do a first - pass speech recognition . And then they {disfmarker} they do a clean up . But it 's gonna be horrible . They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} i just approximately , what did you find out in terms of price or {disfmarker} or whatever ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , for Cyber Transcriber they don't quote a price . They want you to call and {disfmarker} and talk . So for other services , um , they were about thirty dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Of {disfmarker} of tape ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Thirty {disfmarker} So , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or of action ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "For thirty dollars an hour for {disfmarker} of their work .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Oh , of their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so if it 's ten times it 's three hundred dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's three {disfmarker} that 's three hours .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "D did you talk to anybody that does closed captioning for {disfmarker} for uh , TV ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz they a usually at the end of the show they 'll tell what the name of the company is , the captioning company that 's doing it .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , so {disfmarker} so my {disfmarker} my search was pretty cursory .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It was just a net search . And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , the {disfmarker} the thing {disfmarker} the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but {comment} {vocalsound} that really this could be a big contribution we could make . Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it {disfmarker} what it 's like to {disfmarker} to manage the {disfmarker} manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but {vocalsound} it was a {disfmarker} it was a big hassle , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , uh , you know , they {disfmarker} they constantly could 've reminding people and going over it . And clearly some new stuff needs to be done here . And it 's {disfmarker} it 's only {vocalsound} our time , where \" our \" of course includes Dan , {vocalsound} Dan and you guys . It doesn't include me at all . Uh . j Just seems like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean I don't know if we 'd be able to do any thing f to help STP type problems . But certainly for this problem we can do a lot better than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Bec Why ? Because they wanted a lot more detail ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No . Because they had {disfmarker} because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the {disfmarker} the segmentation problem is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Trivial .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Only had two .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "They had two speakers over the telephone .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . So what took them so long ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , mostly because they were doing much lower level time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So they were doing phone and syllable transcription , as well as , uh , word transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And so we 're {disfmarker} w we decided early on that we were not gonna do that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . But there 's still the same issue of managing the process , of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of reviewing and keeping the files straight , and all this stuff , that {disfmarker} which is clearly a hassle .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . And so {disfmarker} so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's the ball park . There were several different companies that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and the {disfmarker} the range was very tight for technical documents . Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And who who knows if they 're gonna be able to m manage multal multiple channel data ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they won't .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They won't .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They w they 'll refuse to do it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We 'll have to mix them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , but I mean , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they won't {disfmarker} they won't {disfmarker} they will refuse to transcribe this kind of material .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then there 's the problem also that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's not what they 're d quoting for , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it is .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , they might {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they might quote it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "For quoting meetings ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sev - several of them say that they 'll do meetings , and conferences , and s and so on . None of them specifically said that they would do speaker ID , or speaker change mark .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Wow . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They all just said transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Th - th the th there may be just multiplier for five people costs twice as much and for ten people co {comment} Something like that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the {disfmarker} the way it worked is it {disfmarker} it was scaled . So what they had is , {vocalsound} if it 's an easy task it costs twenty - four dollars an hour and it will take maybe five or six times real time . And what they said is for the hardest tasks , bad acoustics , meeting settings , it 's thirty - two dollars an hour and it takes about ten times real time . So I think that we can count on that being about what they would do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It would probably be a little more",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "because we 're gonna want them to do speaker marking .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "A lot of companies I 've worked for y the , uh {disfmarker} the person leading the meeting , the executive or whatever , would sort of go around the room and {disfmarker} and mentally calculate h how many dollars per hour this meeting was costing ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ? In university {vocalsound} atmosphere you get a little different thing . But you know , it 's a lot like , \" he 's worth fifty an hour , he 's worth {disfmarker} \" And so he so here we 're thinking , \" well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars . \" You know ? It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , we have to have a short meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So ch {vocalsound} So every everybody ta Talk really fast .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's very interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Stop talking !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Let 's get it over with .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Talk {vocalsound} slowly but with few words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And clearly .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And only talk when you 're pointed to .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Content words only .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We could have some telegraphic meetings . That might be interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 'd be cheap .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Cheap to transcribe .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So . But at any rate , so we {disfmarker} we have a ballpark on how much it would cost if we send it out .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And we 're talking about do doing how many hours worth of meetings ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Thirty or forty .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So thirty or forty thousand dollars .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , for ten thousand dollars .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , meanwhile {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . What {disfmarker} Well , it was thirty times {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Three hundred .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Three hundred dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I 'm sorry , three hundred .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , I w got an extra factor of three there .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's thirty dollars an hour , essentially , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour . And the question is what 's the difference {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how much lower are they ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or ei eight dollars . What {disfmarker} do you know what the going rate is ? It 's {disfmarker} it 's {vocalsound} on the order of eight to ten .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think uh that would give us a {disfmarker} a good {disfmarker} good estimate .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I think . But I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ten .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , I was gonna say eight {disfmarker} you 'd say ten ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Let 's say ten .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , give them a break .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's easier .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right , these are linguistics grad students . Six .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't know what the {disfmarker} I don't know what the standard {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "but there is a standard pay scale",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I just don't know what it is .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so that means that even if it takes them thirty times real time it 's cheaper to {disfmarker} to do graduate students .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And there 's another aspect too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , it isn't . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be {disfmarker} you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh {disfmarker} tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle cuz they might get it more right the first time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And also we would have control of {disfmarker} I mean , we could give them feedback . Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we can't tell them , you know , \" for this meeting we really wanna mark stress",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and for this meeting we want {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and they 're not gonna provide {disfmarker} they 're not gonna provide stress , they 're not gonna re provide repairs , they 're not gonna {vocalsound} provide {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they may or may not provide speaker ID . So that we would have to do our own tools to do that . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just hypoth hypothetically assuming that {disfmarker} that we go ahead and ended up using graduate students . I who {disfmarker} who 's the person in charge ? Who 's gonna be the Steve here ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I hope it 's Jane .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Is that alright ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , interesting . Um , now would this involve some manner of uh , monetary compensation or would I be the voluntary , uh , coordinator of multiple transcribers for checking ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , I would imagine there would be some monetary involved but we 'd have to talk to Morgan about it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , out of {disfmarker} out of Adam 's pocket .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "You know , it just means you have to stop working for Dave . See ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's why Dave should have been here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't wanna stop working for Dave .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "To pr protect his people .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I would like you to do it because you have a lot more experience than I do ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cool . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but if {disfmarker} if that 's not feasible , I will do it with you as an advisor .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "W we 'd like you to do it and we 'd like to pay you .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We 'll see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Not being Morgan though , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We 'd like to . Unfortunately {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , six dollars an hour .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I see . Good . Yeah , no , that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I would be interested in that {disfmarker} in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK . More .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "more . Yeah . Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , any more on transcript we wanna talk about ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What s so what are you {disfmarker} so you 've done some portion of the first meeting . And what 's your plan ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "To carry on doing it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions . He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} It 's a good suggestion . So as far as I 'm concerned those transcription conventions are fixed right now . And so my next plan would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what do they {disfmarker} what do they cover ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They 're very minimal . So , {vocalsound} it would be good to {disfmarker} just to summarize that . So , um , {vocalsound} one of them is the idea of how to indicate speaker change ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and this is a way which meshes well with {disfmarker} with , uh , making it {vocalsound} so that , uh , you know , on the {disfmarker} At the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Boy , it 's such a nice interface . When you {disfmarker} when you get the , um {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you get the speech signal you also get {vocalsound} down beneath it , {vocalsound} an indication of , {vocalsound} uh , if you have two speakers overlapping in a s in a single segment , you see them {vocalsound} one {disfmarker} displayed one above each other . And then at the same time {vocalsound} the top s part of the screen is the actual verbatim thing . You can clip {disfmarker} click on individual utterances and it 'll take you immediately to that part of the speech signal , and play it for you . And you can , eh you can work pretty well between those two {disfmarker} these two things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Is there a limit to the number of speakers ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , the user interface only allows two . And so if {disfmarker} if you 're using their interface to specify overlapping speakers you can only do two .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But my script can handle any . And their save format can handle any . And so , um , using this {disfmarker} the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Do y is this a , uh , university project ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Th - this is the French software , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , French .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And they 're {disfmarker} they 've been quite responsive .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "their academic .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "eh",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I 've been exchanging emails on various issues .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , did you ask them to change the interface for more speakers ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , and they said that 's on {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the works for the next version .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so multi multichannels .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Multichannels was also {disfmarker} Well , they said they wanted to do it but that the code is really very organized around single channels . So I think that 's n unlikely to ha happen .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do - do you know what they 're using it for ? Why 'd they develop it ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "For this exact task ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "For transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Are they linguists ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , are they {disfmarker} are they linguists or are they speech recognition people ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I think they 're linguists .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ho",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Linguists .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They 're {disfmarker} they have some connection to the LDC cuz the LDC has been advising them on this process , the Linguistic Data Consortium . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} but a apart from that .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's also {disfmarker} All the source is available .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "If you {disfmarker} if you speak TCLTK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Great . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And they have {disfmarker} they 've actually asked if we are willing to do any development and I said , well , maybe .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So if we want {disfmarker} if we did {disfmarker} if we did something like programmed in a delay , which actually I think is a great idea , um , I 'm sure they would want that incorporated back in .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , I do too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Their pre pre - lay .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Pre - lay .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Pre - lay . Well , and they 've thought about things . You know , I mean , they {disfmarker} they do have {disfmarker} So you have {disfmarker} when you {disfmarker} when you play it back , um , it 's {disfmarker} it is useful to have , uh , a {disfmarker} a break mark to {disfmarker} se segment it . But it wouldn't be strictly necessary cuz you can use the {disfmarker} uh , the tabbed key to toggle {vocalsound} the sound on and off . I mean , it 'll stop the s speech you know if you if you press a tab . And , um . And so , uh , that 's a nice feature . And then also once you 've put a break in then you have the option of {vocalsound} cycling through the unit . You could do it like multiply until you get {comment} crazy and decide to stop cycling through that unit .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Loop it ? Yo - you n you know , there 's al also the {disfmarker} the user interface that 's missing .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's missing from all of our offices , and that is some sort of analog input for something like this . It 's what audio people actually use of course . It 's something that wh {vocalsound} when you move your hand further , the sound goes faster past it , like fast forward . You know , like a joy stick or a {disfmarker} uh , you could wire a mouse or trackball to do something like that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Why , that 's {disfmarker} That 's not something I wanted to have happen .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , but I 'm saying if this is what professionals who actually do this kind of thing for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} m for video or for audio {disfmarker} {vocalsound} where you {disfmarker} you need to do this ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I see . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we talked about things like foot pedals and other analog {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} I mean , tho those are things we could do but I {disfmarker} I just don't know how much it 's worth doing . I mean we 're just gonna have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ye - Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I agree . They {disfmarker} they have several options . So , uh , you know , I mentioned the looping option . Another option is it 'll pause when it reaches the end of the boundary . And then to get to the next boundary you just press tab",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and it goes on to the next unit .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's very nicely thought out .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "They thought about {disfmarker} and also it 'll {vocalsound} go around the c the , uh , I wanna say cursor but I 'm not sure if that 's the right thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Point , whatever .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , you can {disfmarker} so they thought about different ways of having windows that you c uh work within ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} But so in terms of the con the conventions , then , {vocalsound} uh , basically , {vocalsound} uh , it 's strictly orthographic which means with some w provisions for , uh , w uh , {vocalsound} colloquial forms . So if a person said , \" cuz \" instead of \" because \" then I put a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} an apostrophe at the beginning of the word and then in {disfmarker} in double ang angle brackets what the full lexical item would be .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And this could be {vocalsound} something that was handled by a table or something but I think {vocalsound} to have a convention marking it as a non - standard or wha I don't mean standard {disfmarker} but a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a non {vocalsound} uh , ortho orthographic , uh , whatever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Non - canonical .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "\" Gonna \" or \" wanna \" , you know , the same thing . And {disfmarker} and there would be limits to how much refinement you want in indicating something as non - standard pres pronunciation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "How are you handling backchannels ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Backchannels ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Comments .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um , you know {disfmarker} oh , yes , there was some {disfmarker} in my view , when i when you 've got it densely overlapping , um , I didn't worry about {disfmarker} I didn't worry about s specific start times .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by du",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I sort of thought that this is not gonna be {comment} easily processed anyway and {vocalsound} maybe I shouldn't spend too much time getting exactly when the person said {vocalsound} \" no \" , or , you know , uh , i \" immediate \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And instead just sort of rendered \" within this time slot , {vocalsound} there were two people speaking during part of it",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} if you want more detail , figure it out for yourself \" ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think what {disfmarker} w what Eric was talking about was channels other than the direct speech ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "was sort of the way I felt @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , what I mean is wh I mean , when somebody says \" uh - huh \" in the middle of , uh , a @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . That happened very seldom .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cuz I was {disfmarker} I was listening to {disfmarker} Dan was agreeing a lot to things that you were saying as you were talking .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , thank you Dan .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Appreciate it . Well , if it {disfmarker} if there was a word like \" right \" , you know , then I wou I would indicate {vocalsound} that it happened within the same tem time frame",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's an overlapping mark .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but wouldn't say exactly when it happened .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I 'll be right back .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I transcribed a minute of this stuff",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and there was a lot of overlapping . It was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "A lot of overlapping , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well there there 's a lot of overlapping at the beginning and end .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huge amounts .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It was at the beginning .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , when {disfmarker} when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting , {vocalsound} and we 're all sort of separated , and {disfmarker} and doing things . But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap but it {disfmarker} it 's marked pretty clearly . Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting . And so I think that {disfmarker} that often {disfmarker} {vocalsound} often you can't tell .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well that 's true . That 's another issue .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , Jane had {disfmarker} had comments like uh , to {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who the person was speaking to .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Only when it was otherwise gonna be puzzling",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because he was in the other room talking .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but someone who , uh , {vocalsound} was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Or when Dan said , \" I wa I wasn't talking to you \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true . I know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So you take a bathroom break in the middle and {disfmarker} and keep your head mount",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You have to turn off your mike .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you do ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well he was so {disfmarker} so he was checking the meter levels and {disfmarker} and we were handling things while he was labeling the {disfmarker} the whatever it was , the PDA ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": " And {disfmarker} and so he was {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} sort of {disfmarker} you were sort of talking {disfmarker} you know , so I was saying , like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} \" and I could label this one left . Right ? \" And he {disfmarker} and he said , \" I don't see anything \" . And he said {disfmarker} {vocalsound} he said , {vocalsound} \" I wasn't talking to you \" . Or {disfmarker} it wasn't {disfmarker} it didn't sound quite that rude .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But really , no , uh {disfmarker} w you know in the context if you know he can't hear what he 's saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but when you w when you listen to it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "he he It was a lot funnier if you were there though .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well what {disfmarker} what it {disfmarker} what happens is if you 're a transcriber listening to it it sounds like Dan is just being a total {disfmarker} {vocalsound} totally impolite .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I know . Well , you 'll see . You can listen to it . Oh , I thought it was you who was . No , well , but you were {disfmarker} you were asking off the wall questions .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} but if you knew that {disfmarker} that I wasn't actually in the room , and that Dan wasn't talking to me , it {disfmarker} it became OK . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So th",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's w that 's where I added comments .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who but {disfmarker} but this was unusual circum circumstance .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So this is {disfmarker} this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well and part of it was funny , uh {disfmarker} reason was because it was a mixed signal so you couldn't get any clues from volume {vocalsound} that , you know , he was really far away from this conversation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Stereo . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You couldn't do that symmetrically in any case .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I should rewrite the mix tool to put half the people in one channel and half in the other . I have a {pause} auto - gain - mixer tool that mixes all the head mounted microphones into one signal",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "and that seems to work really well for the uh {pause} transcribers .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But I thought it would be {disfmarker} you know , I {disfmarker} I didn't wanna add more contextual comments than were needed but that , it seemed to me , clarified that the con what was going on . And , uh {disfmarker} OK ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , s",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so normalization {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I was just gonna ask , uh , so I just wanted to c sort of finish off the question I had about backchannels ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "if that 's OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker} which was , so say somebody 's talking for a while",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and somebody goes \" mm - hmm \" in the middle of it , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and what not , does the conversation come out from the {disfmarker} or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment {vocalsound} of this other speaker or does it {disfmarker} does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} it in two .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK , my {disfmarker} my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying . Like {vocalsound} I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible . So {vocalsound} if someone said \" mm - hmm \" in the middle of a {disfmarker} of someone 's , {vocalsound} uh , uh , intonational contour , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I indicated it as , like what you just did .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "then I indicated it as a segment which contained {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} this utterance plus an overlap .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But that 's {disfmarker} but there 's only one {disfmarker} there 's only one time boundary for both speakers ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . And you know , it could be made more precise than that",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but I just thought {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think whenever we use these speech words we should always {vocalsound} do the thing like you 're talking about , accent ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see what you mean . And then {pause} \" hesitation \" . Yeah . OK , and so then , uh , in terms of like words like \" uh \" and \" um \" I just wrote them because I figured there 's a limited number , and I keep them to a {disfmarker} uh , limited set because it didn't matter if it was \" mmm \" or \" um \" , {comment} {vocalsound} you know , versus \" um \" . So I just always wrote it as U M .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And \" uh - huh \" , you know , \" UHUH . \" I mean , like a s set of like five . But in any case {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I didn't mark those .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "\" Uh - huh \" is \" U H H U H . \" H U H . \"",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'd be happy with that . That 'd be fine . It 'd be good to have that in the {disfmarker} in the conventions , what 's to be used .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Huh - uh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I did notice that there were some segments that had pauses on the beginning and end . We should probably mark areas that have no speakers as no speaker . Then , so question mark colon is fine for that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's a fine idea . That 's a fine idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Just say silence .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , what 's that mean ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "You mean re",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No one 's talking .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "ye s Oh . Silence all around .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We have to mark those ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Don't they {disfmarker} d can't we just leave them unmarked ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I d Well , you see , that 's possible too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I wanna leave the marked {disfmarker} I don't want them to be part of another utterance . So you just {disfmarker} you need to have the boundary at the start and the end .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the {disfmarker} part of the script or something more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , it seems like {disfmarker} it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these {vocalsound} automatic speaker detection turn placing things . Because suddenly {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , actually it sounds like there might be a problem {vocalsound} putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels . But assuming we can get around that somehow .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well you were saying , I think it can read {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It can read and write as many as you want , it 's just that it",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But what if you wanna edit it ? Right ? I mean , the point is we 're gonna generate {vocalsound} this transcript with five {disfmarker} five tracks in it , but with no words . Someone 's gonna have to go in and type in the words . Um , and if there are five {disfmarker} five people speaking at once ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right , i it 's {disfmarker} I didn't explain it well . If we use the {disfmarker} the little {disfmarker} the conventions that Jane has established , I have a script that will convert from that convention to their saved convention .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which allows five .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And it can be m edited after the fact ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "can't it also ? But their {disfmarker} but their format , if you wanted to in indicate the speakers right there instead of doing it through this indirect route , {vocalsound} then i they {disfmarker} a c window comes up and it only allows you to enter two speakers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But you 're saying that by the time you call it back in to {disfmarker} from their saved format it opens up a window with window with five speakers ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So . But .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! That is sort of {pause} f",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just user interface .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They didn't quite go the whole {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So i it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they didn't go the whole route ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the whole saved form the saved format and the internal format , all that stuff , handles multiple speakers .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "did they ? They just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just there 's no user interface for specifying multiple {disfmarker} any more than two .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So your {disfmarker} your script solves {disfmarker} Doesn't it solve all our problems ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "cuz we 're always gonna wanna go through this preprocessing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh , assuming it works .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And that works nicely cuz this so quick to enter . So I wouldn't wanna do it through the interface anyway adding which {disfmarker} worry who the speaker was .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . Right . Good .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh , let 's see what else . Oh , yes , I {disfmarker} I wanted to have {disfmarker} So sometimes a pers I {disfmarker} uh in terms of like the continuity of thought {vocalsound} for transcriptions , it 's {disfmarker} i it isn't just words coming out , it 's like there 's some purpose for an utterance . And {vocalsound} sometimes someone will {vocalsound} do a backchannel in the middle of it but you wanna show that it 's continued at a later point . So I have {disfmarker} I have a convention of putting like a dash {vocalsound} arrow just to indicate that this person 's utterance continues . And then when it uh , catches back up again then there 's an arrow dash , and then you have the opposite direction {vocalsound} to indicate continuation of ones own utterance versus , um , sometimes {vocalsound} we had the situation which is {disfmarker} you know , which you {disfmarker} which you get in conversations , {comment} of someone continuing someone else 's utterance ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and in that case I did a tilde arrow versus a arrow tilde , {vocalsound} to indicate that it was continuation but it wasn't {disfmarker} Oh , I guess I did {vocalsound} equal arrow for the {disfmarker} for the own {disfmarker} for yourself things",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "cuz it 's {disfmarker} the speakers the same . And then tilde arrow if it was a different {disfmarker} if a different speaker , uh , con continuation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But just , you know , the arrows showing continuation of a thought .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then you could track whether it was the same speaker or not by knowing {disfmarker} you know , at the end of this unit you 'd know what happened later . And that was like this person continued",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and you 'd be able to {vocalsound} look for the continuation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But the only time that becomes ambiguous is if you have two speakers . Like , if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} If you only have one person , if you only have one thought that 's continuing across a particular time boundary , you just need {vocalsound} one arrow at each end , and if it 's picked up by a different speaker , it 's picked up by a different speaker . The time it becomes ambiguous if you have more than one speaker and that {disfmarker} and they sort of swap . I guess if you have more than one thread going , then you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} then you need to know whether they were swapped or not .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "How often does that happen do you think ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully not very much .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I didn't use it very often .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Especially for meetings . I mean , if i if you were just recording someone 's day , it would be impossible . You know ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It l ou",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "if you were trying to do a remembrance agent . But I think for meetings it 's probably alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But , a lot of these issues , I think that for {disfmarker} uh , from my point of view , where I just wanna do speech recognition and information retrieval , it doesn't really matter .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But other people have other interests .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} it does feel {disfmarker} it does feel like it 's really in there . I {disfmarker} you know I did this {disfmarker} I did this transcription and I marked that , I marked it with ellipsis because it seemed like there was a difference . It 's something you wanted to indicate that it {disfmarker} that I {disfmarker} this was the end of the phrase , this was the end of {vocalsound} that particular transcript , but it was continued later .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And I picked up with an ellipsis .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I didn't have the equal , not equal thing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well that 's {disfmarker} you know , I mean {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} that 's why I didn't {comment} I didn't do it n {vocalsound} I mean , that 's why I thought about it , and {disfmarker} and re - ev",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and it didn't do {disfmarker} I didn't do it in ten times the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Is that something you want to do , Dan ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But it 's something @ @ that I feel we definitely ought to do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I also wanted to ask you if you have a time estimate on the part that you transcribed . Do you have a sense of how long {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it took me half an hour to transcribe a minute , but I didn't have any {disfmarker} I didn't even have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I was trying to get Transcriber to run but I couldn't . So I was doing it by typ typing into a text file and trying to fit {disfmarker} It was horrible .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So thirty to one 's what you got ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's a new upper limit ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , that 's {disfmarker} that 's because you didn't have the segmentation help and all the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But I think for a first try that 's about right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so if we hired a who if we hired a whole bunch of Dan 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It was actually {disfmarker} it was quite {disfmarker} it was a t",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "a",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "If we {pause} hire an infinite number of Dan 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it w",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 'd b a a",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And there 's always a warm up thing of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Are we gonna run out of disk space by the way ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "d Doesn't it beep in the other room when you 're out of disk space ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Is there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should s consider also , um , starting to build up a web site around all of these things .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Web site ! That 's great !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Dan 's sort of already started .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We could have like business - to - business E - commerce as well !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . No , but I 'm it would be interesting {disfmarker} it would be interesting to see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Can we sell banner ads ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Get {disfmarker} get paid for click - throughs ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "What a good idea ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that 's how we could pay for the transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I want to introduce {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I want to introduce the word \" snot - head \" into the conversation at this point .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We can have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You wanna word that won't be recognized ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You see , cuz {disfmarker} uh , cuz {disfmarker} Exactly . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I don't think so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hey , what about me ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The r w What {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You 're the one who raised the issue .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No . Alright , see here 's {disfmarker} here 's {disfmarker} here 's my thought behind it which is that , uh , the {disfmarker} the stuff that you 've been describing , Jane , I gu one has to , {vocalsound} of course {vocalsound} indicate , {comment} {vocalsound} um , i is very interesting ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and I I 'd like to be able to {disfmarker} to pore through , you know , the {disfmarker} the types of tr conventions that you 've come up with and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK , now , w the alternative to a web site would be to put it in Doctor speech .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {disfmarker} cuz what I have is a soft link to my transcription {vocalsound} that I have on my account",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Either 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We c",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but it doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We can do it all .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "we can do it all ! We can write {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Web site 's nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Then you have to t you have to do an HT access .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Web site 's what ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We could actually {disfmarker} maybe we could use the TCL plug - in . Oh , man .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ooo ! He 's committed himself to something .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ow . See he said the word TCL and {disfmarker} and that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But he does such a good job of it . He should be allowed to {disfmarker} to , you know , w do it .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I know , I know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I know , but that {disfmarker} but , I {disfmarker} Right . But I should be allowed to but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If you just did a crappy job , {vocalsound} no nobody would want you to do it .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own {disfmarker} {vocalsound} by my {disfmarker} according to my own priorities . Alright . Let 's look at it anyway . So definitely we should {disfmarker} we should have some kind of access to the data .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And we have {disfmarker} we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I have several and Dan has a few ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , so we can add in links and stuff like that to other things .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well so then th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Try {disfmarker} try to s consolidate . I mean , who wants to do that though ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "the other side is , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No one wants to do that . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , that 's the problem .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we could put {disfmarker} we could put sort of a disorganized sort of group gestalt {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Why ? What {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what 's the issue ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No one owns the project .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No one what ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No one owns the project .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I own the project but I don't wanna do it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No one wants to own the project .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "W well {pause} Do {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's mine ! All mine !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well then you have to do the web site .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "\" Wah - hah - hah - hah - hah - hah . \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's like , it 's that simple .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "b but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but what are you {disfmarker} what are you talking about for web site hacking ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that {disfmarker} that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . It 's {disfmarker} it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool . I haven't found any tools that I like .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You y",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just as easy to use {disfmarker} to edit the raw HTML as anything else .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No kidding ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's obviously not true ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's obviously not true .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , it it it 's obviously true that he hasn't found any he likes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The question is what is {disfmarker} what 's he looked at .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Which one do you use Jim ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I use something called Trellix .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's right . I remember . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Which produces also site maps .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Now , I guess if I were {disfmarker} if I were doing more powerful {disfmarker} excuse me {disfmarker} more complex web sites I might want to .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it 's - it it 's very powerful .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But most of the web sites I do aren't that complex .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , would this be to document it also for outside people or mainly for in house use ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But . I think both .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , I think in",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mostly in house .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think mostly internal .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but what does internal mean ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No , both .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you 're leaving . People at UW wanna look at it . I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's internal {comment} until {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Internal to the project .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We could do an HT access which would accommodate those things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , well , send me links and I wi send me pointers , rather , and I 'll put it together .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not {disfmarker} o",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK . I 'm not sure how {disfmarker} how {vocalsound} important that distinction is . I don't think {vocalsound} we should say , {vocalsound} \" oh , it 's internal therefore we don't have to make it very good \" . I mean , you can say {vocalsound} \" oh {disfmarker} oh , it 's internal",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "therefore we can put data in it that we don't {disfmarker} we don't have to worry about releasing \" . But I think the point is to try and {vocalsound} be coherent and make it a nice presentation .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . I agree .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it is true , that is {disfmarker} it benefits to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz you 're gonna have to wor do the work sooner or later .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . I mean , it 's the early on .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Even if it 's just writing things up .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK , um , let 's move on to electronics .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "d we {disfmarker} we out of tape {disfmarker} out of disk ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No , we 're doing {disfmarker} we 're doing great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I was looking for the actual box I plan to use , uh , but I {disfmarker} c all I could {disfmarker} I couldn't find it at the local store . But this is {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the technology . It 's actually a little bit thinner than this . And it 's two by two , by one , and it would fit right under the {disfmarker} right under th the the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the lip ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , does everyone know about the lip on the table ? It 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . There 's a lip in these tables .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And , it oc I p especially brought the bottom along to try and generate some frequencies that you may not already have recorded .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Clink ! Clink !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Let 's see {disfmarker} {vocalsound} see what it does to the {disfmarker} But this was the uh {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just to review , and I also brought this {comment} along rather than the projector so we can put these on the table , and sort of w push them around .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and crinkle them and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And th \" that \" being a diagram .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's the six tables that we 're looking at . These six tables here , {vocalsound} with {disfmarker} with little boxes sort of , uh , in the middle here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Which es would {disfmarker} I mean , the {disfmarker} the boxes are pretty much out of the way anyway . I 'll - I 'll show you the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the cro this is the table cross section . I don't know if people realize what they 're looking at .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You trying to {pause} screw up the m the microphones ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . He is . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well why not ? I mean , cuz this is what 's gonna happen . You got plenty of data . I won't come to your next meeting . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and you So this is the box 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Get your paper off my PDA !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , let {disfmarker} let the record show that this is exhibit two B .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . \" Or not to be \" . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , the box , uh {disfmarker} there 's a half inch lip here . The box is an inch thick so it hangs down a half an inch . And so the {disfmarker} the two {vocalsound} head set jacks would be in the front and then the little LED to indicate that that box is live . The {disfmarker} the important issue about the LED is the fact that we 're talking about eight of these total , which would be sixteen channels . And , uh , even though we have sixteen channels back at the capture , they 're not all gonna be used for this .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So there 'd be a subset of them used for {disfmarker} obviously j just use the ones at this end for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for this many . So {disfmarker} Excuse me . you 'd like a {disfmarker} a way to tell whether your box is live , so the LED wouldn't be on .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . All the lights .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So if you 're plugged in it doesn't work and the LED is off that 's {disfmarker} that 's a tip off . And then the , uh {disfmarker} would wire the {disfmarker} all of the cables in a {disfmarker} in a bundle come through here and o obviously collect these cables at the same time .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so this {disfmarker} this notion of putting down the P Z Ms {vocalsound} and taking them away would somehow have to be turned into leaving them on the table",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , we wanna do that definitely .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . And so the {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} we just epoxy them down or something . Big screw into the table .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Velcro .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and even though there 's eight cables they 're not really very big around so my model is to get a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a p piece of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Sleeve .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah , that {disfmarker} that stuff that people put with the little {disfmarker} you slip the wires into that 's {vocalsound} sort of shaped like that cross section .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK , not just sleeve them all ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm r a I 'm going up and then I 'm going down .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And leave them loose ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That looks like a semi - circle .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's like a {disfmarker} it 's a sleeping policeman .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Whoo !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Speed bump !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sleeping pol",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Speed bump .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Speed A \" sleeping policeman \" !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's like a speed bum {vocalsound} An",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Speed bump . That 's good . There we go s",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And they 're ac they 're actually ext extruded from plastic .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "What is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "They sorta look like this .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What does that mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's the s that 's British for speed bump ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is it a speed bump ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So that the wires go through here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , is that right ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I never heard that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's really cruel .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "s So it would c basically go on the diagonal here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It could go either way .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So why do we have sixteen channels instead of like some fewer number ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , because the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "How else are you gonna distribute them around the tables ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Because they 're there .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK , let me rephrase that . Why two each ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , because then you don't have to just have one each . So that if t if you have two people sitting next to each other they can actually go into the same box .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And to {disfmarker} See , thi this is really the way people sit on this table . Th",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Dot , dot , dot .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Which means two at each station .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well that {disfmarker} that 's the way people sit . That 's how many chairs are in the room .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm just saying that for the recording .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But then none of these .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh if {disfmarker} if you ha if you had nothing else .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . N none of these and no P Z Ms then .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Right . I agree .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Only if you had {disfmarker} Well it depends on this box , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , true enough . And actually , at the m my plan is to only bring eight wires out of this box .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I didn't understand {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} this box {disfmarker} Thi - thi thi this box is a one off deal .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That being the wiring box .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires , plus supply power to the microphones cuz the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} he the , uh , cheap head mounteds all require low voltage .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so you 'd imagine some sort of {disfmarker} in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well I w I I the simplest thing I could imagine , i which is really , really simple is to {disfmarker} quite literally that these things plug in . And there 's a {disfmarker} there 's a plug on the end of each of these {disfmarker} these , uh , ei eight cables .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Each of the blue wires ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But there are only four .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "An - and there 's only {disfmarker} there 's only four slots that are {disfmarker} you know , in {disfmarker} in the first version or the version we 're planning to {disfmarker} to build .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} that {disfmarker} that was the whole issue with the LED , that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and you 're live .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , then it comes on . I see , I see . OK , good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Now the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the subtle issue here is that {disfmarker} tha I {disfmarker} I haven't really figured out a solution for this . So , we it 'll have to be convention . What happens if somebody unplugs this because they plug in more of something else ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well the {disfmarker} there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered . So {disfmarker} th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , we {disfmarker} I had that last time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But uh there are actually {disfmarker} that you know , there 's an extra {disfmarker} there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So there are actually six {vocalsound} XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver and only five cables going in , I had the wrong five , so I ended up {vocalsound} not recording one of the channels and recording the mix .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "How interesting . D did you do any recognition on the mix {disfmarker} mix out ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wonder whether it works any {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But I subtracted the four that I did have from the mix and got a pretty good approximation of the @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Got the fifth ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You g",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , how great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And did it work ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Did it sound good ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not bad .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's not bad ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ain't science wonderful ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's amazing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So what 's the schedule on these things ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But , you always {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well I was wrestling with th with literally the w number of connectors in the cable and the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , uh , {vocalsound} powering system . And I {disfmarker} I was gonna do this very clever phantom power and I decided a couple days ago not to do it .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm ready to build it . Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "See",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so that it 's a little more presentable and organized .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just not sure what that is . I mean , some sort of cabinet .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well I can build a cabinet . The {disfmarker} the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "In other words , to figure out ex exactly what the right thing is . That cabinet can {disfmarker} can go away . We can use that for {disfmarker} for uh kindling or something . But if you can imagine what the right form factor is . Dan - Dan and I have sort of gone around on this , and we were thinking about something that opened up in the top {vocalsound} to allow access to the mixer for example .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But there 's these things sticking out of the mixer which are kind of a pain , so you end up with this thing that {disfmarker} if if you stuck the mixer up here and the top opened , it 'd be {disfmarker} it 'd be fine . You wouldn't necessarily {disfmarker} Well , you s understand what I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I understand .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} you can {disfmarker} you can start {disfmarker} start s sketching it out ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and I can certainly build it out of oak no problem , would it {disfmarker} you know , arb you know , arbitrarily amount of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I need a desk at home too , alright ? Is that gonna be a better solution than just going out and buy one ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , the {disfmarker} as we found out with the {disfmarker} the thing that , uh , Jeff bought a long time ago to hold our stereo system {vocalsound} the stuff you buy is total crap . And I mean this is something you buy .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "And it 's total crap .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's total crap . Well , it 's useless for this function . Works fine for holding a Kleenex ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right , Kleenex and telephones .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , so yeah , I g I guess it 's just a question , is that something you wanna spend your time on ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I {disfmarker} I 'm paid for .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I have no problem . No , but w certainly one of the issues is {disfmarker} is the , uh {disfmarker} is security .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we 've been {disfmarker} been {disfmarker} been lax and lucky .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Lax .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Really lucky with these things . But they 're not ours , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "the , uh {disfmarker} the flat panels .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm telling you , I 'm just gonna cart one of them away if they stay there much longer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well w yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , let the record show at {disfmarker} uh {vocalsound} at f four thirty - five {vocalsound} Adam Janin says {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Wow . Tempting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We 'll know {disfmarker} we 'll know to come after .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Tempting . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , um , j uh , then the other question is do we wanna try to do a user interface that 's available out here ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Slipped {disfmarker} almost slipped it by Dan .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Use - user interface {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "A user interface . I mean , do we wanna try to get a monitor ? Or just something .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well of course we do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And how do we want to do that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You mean like see {disfmarker} see meter readings , from {disfmarker} while sitting here .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "J just so we see something .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "How about use the thing that um ACIRI 's doing .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which is to say just laptop with a wireless .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Which we 'll borrow from them , {vocalsound} when we need it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What 's wrong with yours ? If we bought you a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , a Applecard . Sure . Right . Yeah , you could use my machine .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} or the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "N no , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm serious . Does {disfmarker} does the wireless thing work on your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Wait , isn't that an ethernet connection or is that a phone ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's an ethernet connection .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's going next door .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} no {disfmarker} no I 'm a I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I ain't joking here .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We jus",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm serious , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , no , absolutely , that 's the right way to do it . T to have it uh , just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and {disfmarker} and look in the thing every so often ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And given {disfmarker} given that we 've got a wireless {disfmarker} that we 've got a {disfmarker} we got the field .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but just have the {disfmarker} It 's right there .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? The antenna 's right there ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right outside the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Y I mean , we need {disfmarker} obviously need to clear this with ACIRI but , uh , how tough can that be ? There {disfmarker} it you 'd {disfmarker} all you need 's web access , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "W we don't need X access",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in theory .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "but I mean that 's fine . That 's {disfmarker} that 's what it does ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "great , great .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right , so it 's just a question of getting a laptop and a wireless modem .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "With a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} w",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , and he {disfmarker} he had , reque @ @ {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my proposal is you have a laptop .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No . Yeah . I do !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You don't ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if we bought you the thing would you mind using it with i the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I would love to but I 'm not sure if my laptop is compatible with the wave LAN thing they 're using .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "To {pause} Mac .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well Apple has their own thing , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "He 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Your new one ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Airport .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Apple has their own thing . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think what {disfmarker} I think you {disfmarker} I think it just plug plugs in a PC card , so you could probably make it run with that , but .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The question is , is there an Apple driver ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} e",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm sure . I imagine there is . But {disfmarker} uh anyway there are {disfmarker} there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the two t",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "and so I think if w if it doesn't {disfmarker} we should be able to find a machine that does that . I {disfmarker} I mean I know that doesn't {disfmarker} don't {disfmarker} don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , b that {disfmarker} to me that 's a whole nother . That 's a whole nother issue .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The idea of being able to walk into their office and say , \" oh , can I borrow your machine for a while \" , is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is a non - starter .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't think that 's gonna work . So , I mean , either {disfmarker} either we figure out how to use a machine somebody already {disfmarker} in the group already owns , {vocalsound} a a and the idea is that if it 's it perk , you know , it 's an advantage not {disfmarker} not a disadvan {comment} {vocalsound} or else we {disfmarker} we literally buy a machine e exactly for that purpose .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Absolutely . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Certainly it solves a lot of the problems with leaving a monitor out here all the time .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not a big fan of doing things to the room that make the room less attractive for other people ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ? Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , \" how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this \" or , whatev",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . I 've {disfmarker} I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "You 're kidding !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the next conference they will .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "So . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But that does mean {disfmarker} so we can use that as well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , the {disfmarker} certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , ask them what it costs . Ask them if they have an extra one . Who knows , they might have an extra {vocalsound} hardware s",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Good . Uh , the , uh {disfmarker} Tsk . It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk . There 's gonna be actually a {disfmarker} a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in . And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back . So we certainly could use that as {disfmarker} as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Huge VU meters .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So people sitting here {comment} are going {vocalsound} \" testing , one , two , three \" !",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , that 's another {disfmarker} that 's another possibility that , you know , solves {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} a",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's an end",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but I think the idea of having a control panel it 's {disfmarker} that 's there in front of you is really cool .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
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"content": "Yeah .",
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},
{
"content": "I had actually earlier asked if I could borrow one of the cards to do wireless stuff",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and they said , \" sure , whenever you want \" . So I think it won't be a problem .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cool . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and it 's a {disfmarker} a PCMCIA card , right ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "PC card ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "PC card .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so you can have a slot ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ? In your new machine ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it really come down to the driver .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
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{
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "well , that sounds like a d good solution one way or the other .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So Jim is gonna be doing wiring and you 're gonna give some thought to cabinets ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "We 'd {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Hey , what are those green lights doing ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "They 're flashing !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - oh ! Uh - oh ! Does that {disfmarker} it means {disfmarker} it means it 's gonna explode . No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "When people talk , it {disfmarker} they go on and off .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "using {disfmarker} using these {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "And it {disfmarker} and the f the five thousand for the wires , so if I 'm gonna do {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "I have to do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
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{
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "and it would cost {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "A PC and a peanuts .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Peanuts .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "PC and two thousand dollars for the A - to - D stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "And that 's about {disfmarker} cuz you wouldn't even need the mixer if you didn't have the {disfmarker} Oh th {vocalsound} the P Z",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "P Z Ms cost a lot . But anyway you 'd save , on the seven {disfmarker} seven or eight thousand for the {disfmarker} for the wireless system . So actually that might be attractive .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , I can move my thumb now .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "That 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "It 's nice {disfmarker} it 's nice to be thinking toward that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "Oh , I thought like if we talked softer the disk lasts longer .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "Well , actually shorten {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It also helps if you talk in a monotone .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Probably .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Constant volume all the time .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , interesting . And shorter words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Shorter words .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Now , shorter words wouldn't {disfmarker} would induce more dynamics , right ? You want to have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but if the words are more predictable .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "How about if you just go \" uh \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "That 's a long word !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "How do you spell that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "OK , can you do one more round of digits ? Are we done talking ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Well it 's a choice {disfmarker} if we get a choice , let 's keep talking .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Do we have more to talk about ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Sure . No , I 'm done .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "I 'm done .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Are you done ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm done ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm done .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Dan isn't but he 's not gonna say anything .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} there 's a problem {disfmarker} a structural problem with this though . You really need an incentive at the end if you 're gonna do digits again . Like , you know , candy bars or something ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll remember to bring M and M 's next time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or or a little , uh {disfmarker} you know , toothbrushes like they give you at the d dentist .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "Mmm !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Or both .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Or both .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Eric , you and I win . We didn't make any mistakes .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's harder at the end than at the beginning .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We don't know that for sure , do we ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I should have mentioned that s uh , to pause between lines but {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "No , I know . I 'm just giving you a hard time .",
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "But {disfmarker} I also think you said channel four",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Me .",
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"content": "Very good . So Eric , you win . But the other thing is that there 's a {disfmarker} there 's a colon for transcripts . And there shouldn't be a colon . Because see , everything else is stuff you fill in .",
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "But they 're in order !",
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{
"content": "But real",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "They start , six , seven , eight , nine , zero , one , two , three , four , five , six , eight , nine .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Where 'd they come from ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "And they 're in order because they 're sorted lexically by the file names , which are {disfmarker} have the numbers in digits .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And so they 're actually {disfmarker} this is like all the {disfmarker} all utterances that were generated by speaker MPJ or something .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "And then within MPJ they 're sorted by what he actually said .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Ugh ! I didn't know that . I should have randomized it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
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{
"content": "But the real question I have is that , why bother with these ?",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Oh , interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Why don't you just ask people to repeat numbers they already know ? Like phone numbers , you know , social security numbers .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Cuz we have these writt written down , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "That 's why {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "If we have it , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "Social security numbers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "we don't have to transcribe .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "You can {disfmarker} you can generate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Bank account numbers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "Credit card numbers ,",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "We don't have to tran",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "Yeah , please .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah . That 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Passport numbers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you just say {disfmarker} {vocalsound} say your credit card numbers , say your phone numbers , say your mother 's maiden name .",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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"content": "Go on .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Undergrad D"
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{
"content": "Actually , this {disfmarker} I got this directly from another training set , from Aurora .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "So . We can compare directly .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Looks good . Looks like there were no errors .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} the reason I made my mistake was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
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{
"content": "Wa - was this {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "There were no {disfmarker} there were no direct driver errors , by the look of it , which is good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Good news .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "OK , the mike 's off .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "So I 'm gonna stop it . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Thank you all .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"answer": "Members of the team discussed options to encode aspects of conversation that cannot be captured through microphones. overlaps, as well as methods to deduce the length of pauses and the reasons behind them. This led to discussing how else to document the conversations, and archive each participant’s responses separately. ",
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"answer": "PhD G explained how the data represents the number of overlaps regardless of the number of speakers. It is important to answer the question of whether overlaps are distributed evenly throughout or whether they are in bursts. Anonymizing the results and classifying overlaps by type may assist in standardizing cultural ways of conversing. PhD G proposed finding the average length of overlaps and the distribution of the duration of overlaps .",
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"content": "We 're , I mean {pause} we {disfmarker} We didn't have a house before .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . That is really great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah , so if {pause} uh {disfmarker} {pause} So if anyone hasn't signed the consent form , please do so .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "That 's terrific .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Oh , yeah !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "The new consent form . The new and improved consent form .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Now you won't be able to walk or ride your bike , huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "And uh , shall I go ahead and do some digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Uh , we were gonna do that at the end , remember ?",
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{
"content": "OK , whatever you want .",
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{
"content": "Yeah . Just {disfmarker} just to be consistent , from here on in at least , that {disfmarker} {pause} that we 'll do it at the end .",
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"content": "The new consent form .",
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"content": "It 's uh {disfmarker} {pause} Yeah , it doesn't matter . OK .",
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"content": "OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,",
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"content": "Testing , one , two , three .",
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{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Right ? That was {disfmarker} that was sort of the point . So , uh {pause} I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda {pause} to send it to me and no one did . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "So we all forgot .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "From last time I wanted to {disfmarker} Uh {pause} {pause} The {disfmarker} An iss uh {pause} one topic from last time .",
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"content": "Right , s OK , so one item for an agenda is uh {pause} Jane has some uh {vocalsound} uh some research to talk about , research issues . Um {pause} and {pause} Uh , Adam has some short research issues .",
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"content": "And I have some {pause} short research issues .",
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"content": "Um , I have a {pause} list of things that I think were done over the last three months I was supposed to {vocalsound} {vocalsound} send off , uh {pause} and , um {pause} I {disfmarker} I sent a note about it to uh {disfmarker} to Adam and Jane but I think I 'll just run through it {pause} also and see if someone thinks it 's inaccurate or {pause} uh insufficient .",
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{
"content": "A list that you have to send off to who ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , to uh uh , IBM .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . They 're , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . Um , So , uh {pause} so , I 'll go through that . Um , {pause} And , Anything else ? {pause} anyone wants to talk about ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What about the , um {disfmarker} your trip , yesterday ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . OK . Um . Sort of off - topic I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that 's {pause} Cuz that was all {disfmarker} all about the , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can chat with you about that {pause} off - line . That 's another thing . Um , And , Anything else ? Nothing else ? Uh , there 's a {disfmarker} I mean , there is a {disfmarker} {pause} a , um {pause} uh {pause} telephone call tomorrow , {pause} which will be a conference call {pause} that some of us are involved in {pause} for uh a possible proposal . Um , we 'll talk {disfmarker} we 'll talk about it next week if {disfmarker} if something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Do you want me to {pause} be there for that ? I noticed you C C ' ed me , but I wasn't actually a recipient . I didn't quite know what to make of that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh Well , we 'll talk {disfmarker} talk about that after our meeting . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK . So it sounds like the {disfmarker} the three main things that we have to talk about are , uh this list , uh Jane and {disfmarker} Jane and Adam have some research items , and , other than that , anything , {pause} as usual , {pause} anything goes beyond that . OK , uh , Jane , since {disfmarker} since you were sort of cut off last time why don't we start with yours , make sure we get to it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , it 's {disfmarker} it 's very {pause} eh {disfmarker} it 's {pause} very brief , I mean {disfmarker} just let me {disfmarker} just hand these out . Oops .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Is this the same as the email or different ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's slightly different . I {disfmarker} {pause} basically the same .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Same idea ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , same idea . So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so {pause} Basically , {vocalsound} um {pause} as you know , uh {pause} part of the encoding {pause} includes a mark that indicates {pause} an overlap . It 's not indicated {pause} with , um {pause} uh , tight precision , it 's just indicated that {disfmarker} OK , so , It 's indicated to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} so the people know {pause} what parts of sp which {disfmarker} which stretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others . So , I {pause} used this mark and , um {pause} and , uh {pause} uh , {pause} divided the {disfmarker} I wrote a script {pause} which divides things into individual minutes , {pause} of which we ended up with forty {pause} five , and a little bit . And , uh {pause} you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to {pause} sixty seconds .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , um {pause} What you can see is the number of overlaps {pause} and then {pause} to the right , {pause} whether they involve two speakers , three speakers , or more than three speakers . And , {pause} um {pause} and , what I was looking for sp sp specifically was the question of {pause} whether they 're distributed evenly throughout or whether they 're {pause} bursts of them . Um . And {pause} it looked to me as though {disfmarker} uh , you know {disfmarker} y this is just {disfmarker} {pause} eh {disfmarker} eh , this would {disfmarker} this is not statistically {pause} verified , {pause} but it {pause} did look to me as though there are bursts throughout , rather than being {pause} localized to a particular region . The part down there , where there 's the maximum number of {disfmarker} {pause} of , um {pause} overlaps is an area where we were discussing {pause} {vocalsound} whether or not it would be useful to indi to s to {pause} code {pause} stress , {pause} uh , sentence stress {pause} as possible indication of , uh {pause} information retrieval . So it 's like , {pause} you know , rather , {pause} lively discussion there .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "What was {disfmarker} what 's the {disfmarker} the parenthesized stuff {pause} that says , like {disfmarker} e the first one that says six overlaps and then two point eight ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , th {vocalsound} {pause} That 's the per cent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , six is , uh {pause} two point eight percent {pause} of the total number of overlaps in the {pause} session .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "At the very end , this is when people were , {pause} you know , packing up to go basically , there 's {pause} this final stuff , I think we {disfmarker} {pause} I don't remember where the digits {pause} fell . I 'd have to look at that . But {pause} the final three there are no overlaps at all . And {pause} couple times there {pause} are not .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , i it seems like it goes through bursts {pause} but , um {pause} that 's kind of it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Now , {pause} Another question is {pause} is there {disfmarker} are there {pause} individual differences in whether you 're likely to be overlapped with or to overlap with others . And , again {pause} I want to emphasize this is just one {pause} particular {pause} um {disfmarker} {pause} one particular meeting , and also there 's been no statistical testing of it all , but {pause} I , um {pause} I took the coding of {pause} the {disfmarker} I , you know , my {disfmarker} I had this script {pause} figure out , um {pause} who {pause} was the first speaker , who was the second speaker involved in a two - person overlap , I didn't look at the ones involving three or more . And , um {pause} {pause} this is how it breaks down in the individual cells of {pause} who tended to be overlapping most often with who {disfmarker} who else , and {pause} if you look at the marginal totals , which is the ones on the right side and across the bottom , you get {pause} the totals for an individual . So , {vocalsound} um {pause} If you {pause} look at the bottom , those are the , um {pause} numbers of overlaps in which {pause} um {pause} Adam was involved as the person doing the overlapping and if you look {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , but you 're o alphabetical , that 's why I 'm choosing you And then if you look across the right , {pause} then {pause} that 's where he was the {pause} person who was the sp first speaker in the pair {pause} and got overlap overlapped with by somebody .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , {pause} then if you look down in the summary table , {pause} then you see that , um {pause} th they 're differences in {pause} whether a person got overlapped with or {pause} overlapped by .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Is this uh {pause} just raw counts or is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Raw counts .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So it would be interesting to see how much each person spoke .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , very true {disfmarker} very true",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Normalized to how much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "it would be good to normalize with respect to that . Now on the table I did {pause} take one step toward , uh {pause} away from the raw frequencies by putting , {pause} uh {pause} percentages . So that the percentage of time {pause} of the {disfmarker} of the times that a person spoke , {pause} what percentage {pause} eh , w so . Of the times a person spoke and furthermore was involved in a two two - person overlap , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} what percentage of the time were they the overlapper and what percent of the time were they th the overlappee ? And there , it looks like you see some differences , um , {pause} that some people tend to be overlapped {pause} with more often than they 're overlapped , but , of course , uh i e {vocalsound} this is just one meeting , {pause} uh {pause} there 's no statistical testing involved , and that would be {pause} required for a {disfmarker} for a finding {pause} of {pause} any {pause} kind of {pause} scientific {pause} reliability .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "S so , i it would be statistically incorrect to conclude from this that Adam talked too much or something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} no actually , that would be actually statistically correct ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . And I 'm {pause} you know , I 'm {disfmarker} I don't see a point of singling people out ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "B I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I rather enjoyed it , but {disfmarker} but this",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "now , this is a case where obviously {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But the numbers speak for themselves .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He 's {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} you know , it 's like {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not saying on the tape who did {pause} better or worse",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , that 's right , so you don't nee OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because {pause} I don't think that it 's {disfmarker} I {pause} you know , and {disfmarker} and th here 's a case where of course , human subjects people would say be sure that you anonymize the results , {pause} and {disfmarker} and , so , might as well do this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , when {disfmarker} this is what {disfmarker} This is actually {disfmarker} when Jane sent this email first , is what caused me to start thinking about anonymizing the data .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , fair enough . Fair enough .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And actually , {pause} you know , the point is not about an individual , it 's the point about {pause} tendencies toward {pause} you know , different styles , different speaker styles .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh sure .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {pause} it would be , you know {pause} of course , {pause} there 's also the question of what type of overlap was this , and w what were they , and i and I {disfmarker} and I know that I can distinguish at least three types and , probably more , I mean , the {vocalsound} general {pause} {vocalsound} cultural idea which w uh , the conversation analysts originally started with in the seventies was that we have this {vocalsound} strict model where politeness involves that you let the person finish th before you start talking , and {pause} and you know , I mean , {pause} w we know that {disfmarker} {pause} an and they 've loosened up on that too s in the intervening time , that {pause} that that 's {disfmarker} that 's viewed as being {pause} a culturally - relative thing , I mean , {pause} that you have the high - involvement style from the East Coast where people {vocalsound} will overlap often as an indication of interest in what the other person is saying . And",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Exactly !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly !",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , there you go . Fine , that 's alright , that 's OK . And {disfmarker} and , {pause} you know , in contrast , so Deborah {disfmarker} d and also Deborah Tannen 's {pause} thesis she talked about differences of these types , {pause} that they 're just different styles , and it 's um {pause} you {disfmarker} you can't impose a model of {disfmarker} {pause} there {disfmarker} of the ideal being no overlaps , and {pause} you know , conversational analysts also agree with that , so it 's {pause} now , universally {pause} a ag agreed with . And {disfmarker} and , als I mean , I can't say universally , but anyway , the people who used to say it was strict , {pause} um {pause} now , uh {pause} don't . I mean they {disfmarker} they {pause} also {pause} {vocalsound} you know , uh {pause} uh , ack acknowledge the influence of {pause} sub of subcultural norms and {pause} cross - cultural norms and things . So , um Then it beco {pause} though {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just superficially to give {pause} um {pause} a couple ideas of the types of overlaps involved , I have at the bottom several that I noticed . So , {pause} {vocalsound} uh , there are backchannels , like what Adam just did now and , um {pause} {vocalsound} um , anticipating the end of a question and {pause} simply answering it earlier , and there are several of those in this {disfmarker} in these data where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because we 're {pause} people who 've talked to each other , um {pause} we know {pause} basically what the topic is , what the possibilities are and w and we 've spoken with each other so we know basically what the other person 's style is likely to be and so {vocalsound} and t there are a number of places where someone just answered early . No problem . And places {pause} also which I thought were interesting , where two or more people gave exactly th the same answer in unison {disfmarker} different words of course but you know , the {disfmarker} basically , {pause} you know everyone 's saying \" yes \" or {disfmarker} you know , or ev even more sp specific than that . So , uh , the point is that , um {pause} {vocalsound} overlap 's not necessarily a bad thing and that it would be im {pause} i useful to subdivide these further and see if there are individual differences in styles with respect to the types involved . And that 's all I wanted to say on that , {pause} unless people have questions .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , of course th the biggest , {pause} um {pause} result here , which is one we 've {disfmarker} {pause} we 've talked about many times and isn't new to us , but which I think would be interesting to show someone who isn't familiar with this {vocalsound} {pause} is just the sheer number of overlaps .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} Right ? {pause} that {disfmarker} that , um",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK {disfmarker} interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "here 's a relatively short meeting , it 's a forty {disfmarker} {pause} forty plus minute {pause} {vocalsound} meeting , and not only were there two hundred and fifteen overlaps {vocalsound} {pause} but , {pause} uh I think there 's one {disfmarker} {pause} one minute there where there {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} where there wasn't any overlap ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hundred ninety - seven .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's {disfmarker} {pause} {vocalsound} uh throughout this thing ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be interesting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} You have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , at the bottom , you have the bottom three .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "S n are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So four {disfmarker} four minutes all together with none {disfmarker} none .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But it w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so the bottom three did have s stuff going on ? There was speech ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , uh - huh . Yeah . But just no overlaps .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so if {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be interesting to see what the total amount of time is in the overlaps , versus {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , exactly and that 's {disfmarker} that 's where Jose 's pro project comes in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , I h I have this that infor I have th that information now .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I was about to ask {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , about how much is it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the duration of eh {disfmarker} of each of the overlaps .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "O oh , what 's {disfmarker} what 's the {disfmarker} what 's the average {pause} length ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "M I {disfmarker} I haven't averaged it now but , uh {pause} I {disfmarker} I will , uh I will do the {disfmarker} the study of the {disfmarker} {pause} with the {disfmarker} with the program with the {disfmarker} uh , the different , uh {pause} the , nnn , {pause} distribution of the duration of the overlaps .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You don't know ? OK , you {disfmarker} you don you don't have a feeling for roughly how {pause} much it is ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "mmm , {pause} Because the {disfmarker} the uh , @ @ is @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The duration is , uh {pause} the variation {disfmarker} the variation of the duration is uh , very big on the dat",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I suspect that it will also differ , {pause} depending on the type of overlap {pause} involved .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "but eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I 'm sure .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So backchannels will be very brief",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Because , on your surface eh {pause} a bit of zone of overlapping with the duration eh , overlapped and another very very short .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , i probably it 's very difficult to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} because the {disfmarker} the overlap is , uh on is only the {disfmarker} in the final \" S \" of the {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} the fin the {disfmarker} the end {disfmarker} the end word of the , um {pause} previous speaker {vocalsound} with the {disfmarker} the next word of the {disfmarker} the new speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I considered {pause} that 's an overlap but it 's very short , it 's an \" X \" with a {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} the idea is probably , eh {pause} when eh {disfmarker} when eh , we studied th th that zone , eh {pause} {pause} eh , we h we have eh eh {pause} confusion with eh eh noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "With eh {pause} that fricative sounds , but uh {pause} I have new information but I have to {disfmarker} to study .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , but I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} u",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Can I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "You split this by minute , um {pause} so if an overlap straddles {pause} the boundary between two minutes , that counts towards both of those minutes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Mm - hmm . Actually , um {vocalsound} um {pause} actually not . Uh , so {pause} le let 's think about the case where {vocalsound} A starts speaking {pause} {vocalsound} and then B overlaps with A , {pause} and then the minute boundary happens . And let 's say that {vocalsound} after that minute boundary , {vocalsound} um {pause} B is still speaking , {pause} and A overlaps {pause} with B , that would be a new overlap . But otherwise {pause} um , let 's say B {pause} comes to the conclusion of {disfmarker} of that turn without {pause} anyone overlapping with him or her , in which case there would be no overlap counted in that second minute .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "No , but suppose they both talk simultaneously {vocalsound} {pause} both a {disfmarker} a portion of it is in minute one and another portion of minute two .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . In that case , um {pause} my c {pause} the coding that I was using {disfmarker} {vocalsound} since we haven't , {pause} uh {pause} incorporated Adam 's , uh {pause} coding of overlap yets , the coding of Yeah , \" yets \" is not a word . Uh {vocalsound} since we haven't incorporated Adam 's method of handling overl overlaps yet {vocalsound} um {pause} then {pause} that would have fallen through the cra cracks . It would be an underestimate of the number of overlaps because , um {pause} I wou I wouldn't be able to pick it up from the way it was {pause} encoded so far .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I I",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We just haven't done th the precise second to sec you know , {pause} second to second coding of when they occur .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I I I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm confused now . So l l let me restate what I thought Andreas was saying and {disfmarker} and see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Let 's say that in {disfmarker} in second fifty - seven {pause} {vocalsound} of one minute , {pause} you start talking and I start talking and {pause} we ignore each other and keep on talking for six seconds .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So we go over {disfmarker} So we were {disfmarker} we were talking over one another , {pause} and it 's just {disfmarker} in each case , it 's just sort of one {pause} interval . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So , um {pause} we talked over the minute boundary . Is this {pause} considered as one overlap in each of the minutes , the way you have done this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , it wouldn't . It would be considered as an overlap in the first one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so that 's {pause} good , i I think , in the sense that I think Andreas meant the question ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} {pause} that 's good , yeah , cuz the overall rate is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Statistical .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They 're not double counted .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Other - otherwise you 'd get double counts , here and there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah but , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then it would be harder {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I should also say I did a simplifying , uh {pause} count in that {vocalsound} if A was speaking {pause} B overlapped with A and then A came back again and overlapped with B again , I {disfmarker} I didn't count that as a three - person overlap , I counted that as a two - person overlap , {pause} and it was A being overlapped with by D .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Because the idea was the first speaker {pause} had the floor {pause} and the second person {pause} started speaking and then the f the first person reasserted the floor {pause} kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "These are simplifying assumptions , didn't happen very often , there may be like three overlaps affected that way in the whole thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I want to go back and listen to minute forty - one .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz i i I find it interesting that there were a large number of overlaps and they were all two - speaker .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean what I thought {disfmarker} what I would have thought in {pause} is that when there were a large number of overlaps , it was because everyone was talking at once , {vocalsound} but uh apparently not .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting . That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's really neat .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's a lot of backchannel , a lot o a lot of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "This is {pause} really interesting data .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it is .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think what 's really interesting though , it is {pause} before d {pause} saying \" yes , meetings have a lot of overlaps \" is to actually find out how many more {pause} we have than two - party .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think so too , I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz in two - party conversations , like Switchboard , there 's an awful lot too if you just look at backchannels , if you consider those overlaps ? it 's also ver it 's huge . It 's just that people haven't been {pause} looking at that because they 've been doing single - channel processing for {pause} speech recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , the question is , you know , how many more overlaps {pause} {vocalsound} do you have {pause} of , say the two - person type , by adding more people . to a meeting , and it may be a lot more but i it may {disfmarker} {pause} it may not be .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , but see , I find it interesting even if it wasn't any more ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because {pause} since we were dealing with this full duplex sort of thing in Switchboard where it was just all separated out {vocalsound} we just {disfmarker} everything was just nice ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so that {disfmarker} so the issue is in {disfmarker} in a situation {pause} where th that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's not really {pause} \" nice \" . It depends what you 're doing . So if you were actually {pause} {vocalsound} having , uh {disfmarker} depends what you 're doing , if {disfmarker} Right now we 're do we have individual mikes on the people in this meeting . So the question is , you know {disfmarker} \" are there really more overlaps happening than there would be in a two - person {pause} party \" .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and there well may be , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Let {disfmarker} let m let me rephrase what I 'm saying cuz I don't think I 'm getting it across . What {disfmarker} what I {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} I shouldn't use words like \" nice \" because maybe that 's too {disfmarker} i too imprecise . But what I mean is {vocalsound} that , um in Switchboard , {pause} despite the many {disfmarker} many other problems that we have , one problem that we 're not considering is overlap . And what we 're doing now is , {pause} aside from the many other differences in the task , we are considering overlap and one of the reasons that we 're considering it , {pause} you know , one of them not all of them , one of them is {vocalsound} that w uh at least , {pause} you know I 'm very interested in {vocalsound} the scenario in which , uh {pause} both people talking are pretty much equally {pause} audible , {vocalsound} and from a single microphone . And so , {pause} in that case , it does get mixed in , {vocalsound} and it 's pretty hard to jus {pause} to just ignore it , to just do processing on one and not on the other .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I agree that it 's an issue here {pause} but it 's also an issue for Switchboard and if you {pause} think of meetings {pause} being recorded over the telephone , which I think , you know , this whole point of studying meetings isn't just to have people in a room but to also have {pause} meetings over different phone lines .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe far field mike people wouldn't be interested in that but all the dialogue issues still apply ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so if each of us was calling and having {pause} {vocalsound} a meeting that way {pause} you kn you know like a conference call . And , just the question is , {pause} y you know , in Switchboard {pause} you would think that 's the simplest case of a meeting of more than one person ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} {vocalsound} I 'm wondering how much more {pause} overlap {pause} of {pause} the types that {disfmarker} that Jane described happen with more people present . So it may be that having three people {pause} {vocalsound} is very different from having two people or it may not be .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's an important question to ask .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think what I 'm {disfmarker} {pause} All I 'm s really saying is that I don't think we were considering that in Switchboard .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Not you , me . But uh {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Were you ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Though it wasn't {pause} in the design .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Were you {disfmarker} were you {disfmarker} were you {disfmarker} were you measuring it ? I mean , w w were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "There {disfmarker} there 's actually to tell you the truth , the reason why it 's hard to measure is because of so , from the point of view of studying dialogue , I mean , which {pause} Dan Jurafsky and Andreas and I had some projects on , you want to know the sequence of turns .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So what happens is if you 're talking and I have a backchannel in the middle of your turn , and then you keep going what it looks like in a dialogue model is your turn and then my backchannel ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "even though my backchannel occurred completely inside your turn .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , for things like language modeling or dialogue modeling {pause} {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} We know that that 's wrong in real time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But , because of the acoustic segmentations that were done and the fact that some of the acoustic data in Switchboard were missing , people couldn't study it , but that doesn't mean in the real world that people don't talk that way . So , it 's {disfmarker} um",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I wasn't saying that . Right ? I was just saying that w now we 're looking at it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 've als",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , you {disfmarker} you maybe wanted to look at it before but , for these various technical reasons in terms of how the data was you weren't .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . We 're looking at it here .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's why it 's coming to us as new even though it may well be {pause} you know , if your {disfmarker} if your hypothes The hypothesis you were offering {vocalsound} eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? {disfmarker} if it 's the null poth {comment} hypothesis , and if actually you have as much overlap in a two - person , {vocalsound} we don't know the answer to that . The reason we don't know the answer to is cuz it wasn't studied and it wasn't studied because it wasn't set up . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , all I meant is that if you 're asking the question from the point of view of {pause} what 's different about a meeting , studying meetings of , say , more than two people versus {pause} what kinds of questions you could ask with a two - person {pause} meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's important to distinguish {pause} that , you know , this project {pause} is getting a lot of overlap {pause} but other projects were too , but we just couldn't study them . And and so uh",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "May have been . May have been . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , there is a high rate ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We do kn we don't know the numbers .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . It 's {disfmarker} but I don't know how high , in fact",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , here I have a question .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that would be interesting to know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "See , I mean , i i le let me t I mean , my point was just if you wanted to say to somebody , \" what have we learned about overlaps here ? \" just never mind comparison with something else ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "what we 've learned about is overlaps in this situation , is that {disfmarker} the first {disfmarker} {pause} the first - order thing I would say is that there 's a lot of them . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in the sense that i if you said if {disfmarker} i i i",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I don't di I agree with that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "In a way , I guess what I 'm comparing to is more the common sense notion of {vocalsound} how {disfmarker} how much people overlap . Uh {pause} you know the fact that when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when , uh , Adam was looking for a stretch of {disfmarker} of speech before , that didn't have any overlaps , and he w he was having such a hard time and now I look at this and I go , \" well , I can see why he was having such a hard time \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's also true of Switchboard .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's happening a lot .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It may not be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I wasn't saying it wasn't .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So it 's just , um",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I was commenting about this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . All I 'm saying is that from the",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm saying if I {disfmarker} {pause} I 'm saying if I have this complicated thing in front of me , {vocalsound} and we sh which , {pause} you know we 're gonna get much more sophisticated about when we get lots more data , But {disfmarker} Then , if I was gonna describe to somebody what did you learn {pause} right here , about , you know , the {disfmarker} the modest amount of data that was analyzed I 'd say , \" Well , the first - order thing was there was a lot of overlaps \" . In fact {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and it 's not just an overlap {disfmarker} bunch of overlaps {disfmarker} second - order thing is {vocalsound} it 's not just a bunch of overlaps in one particular point , {vocalsound} but that there 's overlaps , uh throughout the thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . No , I {disfmarker} I agree with that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's interesting . That 's all .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just {pause} {vocalsound} saying that it may {disfmarker} {pause} the reason you get overlaps may or may not be due to sort of the number of people in the meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's all .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I wasn't making any statement about that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and it would actually be interesting to find out",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because some of the data say Switchboard , which isn't exactly the same kind of context , I mean these are two people who don't know each other and so forth , But we should still be able to somehow say what {disfmarker} what is the added contra contribution to sort of overlap time of each additional person , or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be good to know ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but w we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I could certainly see it going either way .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Wh - yeah , I {disfmarker} I agree {disfmarker} I agree with Adam .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the reason is because I think there 's a limit {disfmarker} {pause} there 's an upper bound {pause} on how many you can have , simply {pause} from the standpoint of audibility . When we speak we {disfmarker} we do make a judgment of {pause} \" can {disfmarker} \" you know , as adults .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , children don't adjust so well , I mean , if a truck goes rolling past , {vocalsound} adults will well , depending , but mostly , adults will {disfmarker} will {disfmarker} {pause} will hold off to what {disfmarker} {pause} to finish the end of the sentence till the {disfmarker} till the noise is past .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And I think we generally do {vocalsound} monitor things like that , {pause} about {disfmarker} whether we {disfmarker} whether our utterance will be in the clear or not .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And partly it 's related to rhythmic structure in conversation , so , {vocalsound} you know , you {disfmarker} you t Yeah , this is d also um , people tend to time their {disfmarker} their {disfmarker} {vocalsound} their , um {pause} when they {pause} come into the conversation based on the overall rhythmic , {pause} uh uh , ambient thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So you don't want to be c cross - cutting . And {disfmarker} and , just to finish this , that um That I think that {vocalsound} there may be an upper bound on how many overlaps you can have , simply from the standpoint of audibility and how loud the other people are who are already {pause} in the fray . But I {disfmarker} you know , of certain types . Now if it 's just backchannels , {vocalsound} people {pause} may be doing that {pause} with less {pause} intention of being heard , {pause} just sort of spontaneously doing backchannels , in which case {pause} that {disfmarker} those might {disfmarker} there may be no upper bound on those .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I have a feeling that backchannels , which are the vast majority of overlaps in Switchboard , {pause} uh , don't play as big a role here , because it 's very unnatural I think , to backchannel if {disfmarker} in a multi - audience {disfmarker} you know , in a multi - person {vocalsound} {pause} audience .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "If you can see them , actually . It 's interesting , so if you watch people are going like {disfmarker} {comment} {comment} Right {disfmarker} right , like this here ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but That may not be the case if you couldn't see them .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "u",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {pause} but , it 's sort of odd if one person 's speaking and everybody 's listening , and it 's unusual to have everybody going \" uh - huh , uh - huh \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Actually , I think I 've done it {pause} a fair number of times today .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "There 's a lot of head - nodding , in this",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep , we need to put trackers on it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in the two - person {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "He could , he could .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Plus {disfmarker} plus {disfmarker} plus the {disfmarker} Yeah . So {disfmarker} so actually , um That 's in part because the nodding , if you have visual contact , {pause} the nodding has the same function , but on the phone , in Switchboard {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} that wouldn't work . So {vocalsound} so you need to use the backchannel .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you don't have it . Your mike is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , in the two - person conversations , {pause} when there 's backchannel , is there a great deal of {pause} overlap {pause} in the speech ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That is an earphone , so if you just put it {pause} so it 's on your ear .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} Cuz my impression is sometimes it happens when there 's a pause ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "E for example .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "you know , like you {disfmarker} you get a lot of backchannel , when somebody 's pausing",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "She 's doing that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what were you saying ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's hard to do both , huh ? Um {pause} no , when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when there 's backchannel , I mean , just {disfmarker} I was just listening , and {disfmarker} and when there 's two people talking and there 's backchannel it seems like , {pause} um the backchannel happens when , you know , the pitch drops and the first person {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and a lot of times , the first person actually stops talking and then there 's a backchannel {pause} and then they start up again , and so I 'm wondering about {disfmarker} h I just wonder how much overlap there is . Is there a lot ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think there 's a lot of the kind that Jose was talking about , where {disfmarker} {pause} I mean , this is called \" precision timing \" in {pause} conversation analysis , where {pause} {vocalsound} they come in overlapping , {pause} but at a point where the {pause} information is mostly {pause} complete . So all you 're missing is some last syllables or something or the last word or some highly predictable words .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So technically , it 's an overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But maybe a {disfmarker} just a small overlap ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {pause} you know , from information flow point of view it 's not an overlap in {pause} the predictable information .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "More , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be interesting if we could do prediction .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I was just thinking more in terms of alignment , alignment overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Language model prediction of overlap , that would be really interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {pause} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's exactly , exactly why we wanted to study the precise timing of overlaps ins in uh Switchboard ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "say , because there 's a lot of that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a first interesting {pause} labeling task . Uh , to distinguish between , say , backchannels {vocalsound} {pause} precision timing {disfmarker} Sort of {vocalsound} you know , benevolent overlaps , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} and w and {disfmarker} and sort of , um {pause} I don't know , hostile overlaps , where {vocalsound} someone is trying to grab the floor from someone else .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Let 's pick a different word .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that {disfmarker} that might be an interesting , um {pause} problem to look at .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hostile takeovers .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean you could do that . I ju I {disfmarker} I think that {pause} in this meeting I really had the feeling that wasn't happening , that {pause} the hostile {disfmarker} hostile type . These were {disfmarker} these were {pause} benevolent types , as people {pause} finishing each other 's sentences , and {pause} stuff .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I could imagine that as {disfmarker} there 's a fair number of {vocalsound} um cases where , and this is sort of , not {pause} really hostile , but sort of competitive , where {vocalsound} one person is finishing something and {vocalsound} you have , like , two or three people jumping {disfmarker} trying to {disfmarker} {pause} trying to {disfmarker} {pause} trying to , uh grab the next turn .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Trying to get the floor .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so it 's not against the person who talks first {pause} because actually we 're all waiting for that person to finish . But they all want to {pause} be next .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I have a feeling most of these things are {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} {pause} that are not {pause} a benevolent kind are {disfmarker} are {vocalsound} {pause} are , uh {pause} um {pause} {vocalsound} are {disfmarker} are competitive as opposed to real really {disfmarker} really hostile .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I wonder what determines who gets the floor ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , there are various things , you {disfmarker} you have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh a vote {disfmarker} vote in Florida .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's been studied a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Voting for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , o one thing {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wanted to {disfmarker} or you can tell a good joke and then everybody 's laughing and you get a chance to g break in .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Seniority .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But . But . Um . You know , the other thing I was thinking was that , {pause} um {pause} these {disfmarker} all these interesting questions are , of course , pretty hard to answer with , uh u {pause} you know , a small amount of data .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Ach .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , um {pause} I wonder if what you 're saying suggests that we should make a conscious attempt to have , um {vocalsound} a {disfmarker} a fair number of meetings with , uh a smaller number of people . Right ? I mean {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} most of our meetings are {pause} uh , meetings currently with say five , six , seven , eight people Should we {pause} really try to have some two - person meetings , {pause} or some three - person meetings and re record them {vocalsound} just to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to beef up the {disfmarker} the statistics on that ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a control . Well , {vocalsound} it seems like there are two possibilities there , I mean {pause} i it seems like {vocalsound} if you have just {pause} two people it 's not {pause} really , y like a meeting , w is not as similar as the rest of the {disfmarker} {pause} of the sample . It depends on what you 're after , of course , but {vocalsound} It seems like that would be more a case of the control condition , compared to , uh {pause} an experimental {pause} condition , with more than two .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , Liz was raising the question of {disfmarker} of whether i it 's the number {disfmarker} there 's a relationship between the number of people and the number of overlaps or type of overlaps there ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and , um {vocalsound} If you had two people meeting in this kind of circumstance then you 'd still have the visuals . You wouldn't have that difference {pause} also that you have in the {vocalsound} say , in Switchboard data . Uh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , I 'm just thinking that 'd be more like a c control condition .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , but from the acoustic point of view , it 's all good .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Is the same .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , acoustic is fine , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if the goal were to just look at overlap you would {disfmarker} you could serve yourself {disfmarker} save yourself a lot of time but not even transcri transcribe the words .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I was thinking you should be able to do this from the {pause} acoustics , on the close - talking mikes ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} that was my {disfmarker} my status report ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You 've been working on that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right , I mean Adam was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "so {vocalsound} {pause} Once we 're done with this stuff discussing ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "right . I mean , not as well as what {disfmarker} I mean , you wouldn't be able to have any kind of typology , obviously ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but you 'd get some rough statistics .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what do you think about that ? Do you think that would be useful ? I 'm just thinking that as an action item of whether we should try to record some two - person meetings or something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I guess my {disfmarker} my first comment was , um {pause} only that {vocalsound} um we should n not attribute overlaps only to meetings , but maybe that 's obvious , maybe everybody knew that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but that {vocalsound} in normal conversation with two people there 's an awful lot of the same kinds of overlap , and that it would be interesting to look at {pause} whether there are these kinds of constraints that Jane mentioned , that {vocalsound} what maybe the additional people add to this competition that happens right after a turn ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "you know , because now you can have five people trying to grab the turn , but pretty quickly there 're {disfmarker} they back off and you go back to this sort of only one person at a time with one person interrupting at a time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I don't know . To answer your question I {pause} it {disfmarker} I don't think it 's crucial to have controls but I think it 's worth recording all the meetings we {pause} can .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Can .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , um {pause} you know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I have an idea .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "D I wouldn't not record a two - person meeting just because it only has two people .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Could we {disfmarker} Could we , um {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} have in the past and I think continue {disfmarker} will continue to have a fair number of {pause} uh phone conference calls .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , {vocalsound} uh , {pause} and as a {disfmarker} to , um {vocalsound} as another c {pause} c comparison {pause} condition , {pause} we could um see what {disfmarker} what what happens in terms of overlap , when you don't have visual contact .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we talked about this repeatedly .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Can we actually record ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It just seems like that 's a very different {pause} thing than what we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh Well , we 'll have to set up for it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean {pause} physically {pause} can we record the o the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we 're not really set up for it {pause} to do that . But .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Or , this is getting a little extravagant , we could put up some kind of blinds or something to {disfmarker} {pause} to remove , uh {pause} visual contact .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Barriers !",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That 's what they did on Map Task , you know , this Map Task corpus ? They ran exactly the same pairs of people with and without visual cues and it 's quite interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we {disfmarker} we record this meeting so regularly it wouldn't be that {disfmarker} I mean {pause} a little strange .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , we can record , but no one can look at each other .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , we could just put {pause} b blindfolds on .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well y no you {disfmarker} f",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Close your eyes .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Blindf",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Turn off the lights .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and we 'd take a picture of everybody sitting here with blindfolds . That would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , th that was the other thing , weren't we gonna take a picture {pause} at the beginning of each of these meetings ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , what {disfmarker} I had thought we were gonna do is just take pictures of the whiteboards . rather than take pictures of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , linguistic {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Linguistic anthropologists would {disfmarker} would suggest it would be useful to also take a picture of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "There 's a head nodding here vigorously , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Why {disfmarker} why do we want to have a picture of the meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Ee - {pause} you mean , transc {pause} no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} because you get then the spatial relationship of the speakers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And that {pause} could be",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , you could do that by just noting on the enrollment sheet the {disfmarker} {pause} the seat number .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Seat number , that 's a good idea . I 'll do that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'll do that on the next set of forms .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you 'd number them somehow .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Is possible to get information from the rhythmic {disfmarker} f from the ge , eh {pause} uh , files .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I finally remembered to put , uh put native language on the newer forms .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "We can {disfmarker} can't you figure it out from the mike number ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The wireless ones . And even the jacks , I mean , I 'm sitting here and the jack is {pause} over {pause} in front of you .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But probably from these you could 've {comment} infer it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but It 's {disfmarker} it would be trivial {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It would be another task .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It would be a research task .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Having {disfmarker} having ground tu truth would be nice , so {pause} seat number would be good .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "You know where you could get it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Beam - forming during the digit {pause} uh stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm gonna put little labels on all the chairs with the seat number .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But you have to keep the chairs in the same pla like here .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Not the chairs . The chairs are {disfmarker} Chairs are movable .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Put them {disfmarker} {pause} Like , {pause} put them on the table where they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The chair {comment} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But you know , they {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} s the linguistic anthropologists would say it would be good to have a digital picture anyway ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Just remembered a joke .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because you get {pause} a sense also of posture . Posture , and we could like , {pause} you know , {pause} block out the person 's face or whatever",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "What people were wearing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "The fashion statement .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but , you know , these are important cues ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , Andreas was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "How big their heads are .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} how a person is sitting {pause} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But if you just f But from one picture , I don't know that you really get that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Andreas was wearing that same old sweater again .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right ? You 'd want a video for that , I think .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be better than nothing , is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} i Just from a single picture I think you can tell some aspects .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "A video , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Think so ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean I {disfmarker} I could tell you I mean , if I if I 'm in certain meetings I notice that there are certain people who really do {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker} The body language is very uh {disfmarker} is very interesting in terms of the dominance aspect .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And {disfmarker} and Morgan had that funny hair again .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} Well , I mean you black out the {disfmarker} that part .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But it 's just , you know , the {disfmarker} the body",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "He agreed .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Of course , the {disfmarker} where we sit at the table , I find is very interesting , that we do tend to {pause} cong {pause} to gravitate to the same place each time .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and it 's somewhat coincidental . I 'm sitting here so that I can run into the room if the hardware starts , you know , catching fire or something .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no , you {disfmarker} you just like to be in charge , that 's why you 're sitting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I just want to be at the head of the table .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Take control .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Speaking of taking control , you said you had some research to talk about .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 've been playing with , um uh , using the close - talking mike to do {disfmarker} to try to figure out who 's speaking . So my first attempt was just using thresholding and filtering , that we talked about {disfmarker} about two weeks ago , and so I played with that a little bit , and {vocalsound} it works O K , {pause} except that {pause} it 's very sensitive to your choice of {vocalsound} your filter width and your {vocalsound} threshold . So if you fiddle around with it a little bit and you get good numbers you can actually do a pretty good job of segmenting when someone 's talking and when they 're not . But if you try to use the same paramenters on another speaker , it doesn't work anymore , even if you normalize it based on the absolute loudness .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But does it work for that one speaker throughout the whole meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It does work for the one speaker throughout the whole meeting . Um Pretty well .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "How did you do it Adam ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Pretty well . How did I do it ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , wh what was the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The algorithm was , uh take o every frame that 's over the threshold , and then median - filter it , {vocalsound} and then look for runs .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So there was a minimum run length ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Every frame that 's over what threshold ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so that {disfmarker} A threshold that you pick .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "In terms of energy ? Ah !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Say that again ? Frame over fres threshold .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So you take a {disfmarker} each frame , and you compute the energy and if it 's over the threshold you set it to one , and if it 's under the threshold you set it to zero , {vocalsound} so now you have a bit stream {pause} of zeros and ones .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And then I median - filtered that {vocalsound} using , um {pause} a fairly long {pause} filter length . Uh {pause} well , actually I guess depends on what you mean by long , you know , tenth of a second sorts of numbers . Um and that 's to average out you know , pitch , you know , the pitch contours , and things like that . And then , uh looked for long runs .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And that works O K , if you fil if you tune the filter parameters , if you tune {vocalsound} how long your median filter is and how high you 're looking for your thresholds .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Did you ever try running the filter before you pick a threshold ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . I certainly could though . But this was just I had the program mostly written already so it was easy to do . OK and then the other thing I did , was I took {vocalsound} Javier 's speaker - change detector {disfmarker} acoustic - change detector , and I implemented that with the close - talking mikes , and {pause} unfortunately that 's not working real well , and it looks like it 's {disfmarker} the problem is {disfmarker} he does it in two passes , the first pass {vocalsound} is to find candidate places to do a break . And he does that using a neural net doing broad phone classification and he has the {vocalsound} the , uh {pause} one of the phone classes is silence . And so the possible breaks are where silence starts and ends . And then he has a second pass which is a modeling {disfmarker} a Gaussian mixture model . Um looking for {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} whether it improves or {disfmarker} or degrades to split at one of those particular places . And what looks like it 's happening is that the {disfmarker} even on the close - talking mike the broad phone class classifier 's doing a really bad job .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Who was it trained on ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember . Does an do you remember , Morgan , was it Broadcast News ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I think so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} So , at any rate , my next attempt , {pause} which I 'm in the midst of and haven't quite finished yet was actually using the {vocalsound} uh , thresholding as the way of generating the candidates . Because one of the things that definitely happens is if you put the threshold low {vocalsound} you get lots of breaks . All of which are definitely acoustic events . They 're definitely {vocalsound} someone talking . But , like , it could be someone who isn't the person here , but the person over there or it can be the person breathing . And then feeding that into the acoustic change detector . And so I think that might work . But , I haven't gotten very far on that . But all of this is close - talking mike , so it 's , uh {pause} just {disfmarker} just trying to get some ground truth .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Only with eh uh , but eh I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think , eh when {disfmarker} when , y I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I saw the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the speech from PDA and , eh {pause} close {pause} {vocalsound} talker . I {disfmarker} I think the there is a {disfmarker} a great difference in the {disfmarker} in the signal .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um but eh I {disfmarker} but eh I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean that eh eh {pause} in the {disfmarker} in the mixed file {vocalsound} you can find , uh {pause} zone with , eh {pause} great different , eh {pause} level of energy .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {pause} s my intention for this is {disfmarker} is as an aide for ground truth . not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I think for , eh {pause} algorithm based on energy , {pause} eh , that um h mmm , {disfmarker} more or less , eh , like eh {pause} eh , mmm , first sound energy detector .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Say it again ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "eh nnn . When y you the detect the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the first at {disfmarker} at the end of {disfmarker} of the {vocalsound} detector of , ehm princ um . What is the {disfmarker} the name in English ? the {disfmarker} the , mmm , {pause} {vocalsound} the de detector of , ehm of a word in the {disfmarker} in the s in {disfmarker} an isolated word in {disfmarker} in the background That , uh",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure what you 're saying , can you try {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean that when {disfmarker} when you use , eh {pause} eh {pause} any",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think he 's saying the onset detector .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Onset detector , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it 's probably to work well eh , because , eh {pause} you have eh , in the mixed files a great level of energy . eh {pause} and great difference between the sp speaker . And probably is not so easy when you use the {disfmarker} the PDA , eh that {disfmarker} Because the signal is , eh {pause} the {disfmarker} in the e energy level .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "in {disfmarker} in that , eh {pause} eh {pause} speech file {vocalsound} is , eh {pause} more similar . between the different eh , speaker , {vocalsound} um {pause} I {disfmarker} I think is {disfmarker} eh , it will {pause} i is my opinion .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . But different speakers .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It will be , eh {pause} more difficult to {disfmarker} to detect bass - tone energy . the {disfmarker} the change . I think that , um",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah , in the clo in the P D A , you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "In the PDA .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no question . It 'll be much harder .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Much harder .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} the another question , that when I review the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the work of Javier . I think the , nnn , the , nnn , {pause} that the idea of using a {pause} neural network {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to get a broad class of phonetic , eh {pause} from , eh uh a candidate from the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the speech signal . If you have , eh {vocalsound} uh , I 'm considering , only because Javier , eh {pause} only consider , eh {pause} like candidate , the , nnn , eh {pause} the silence , because it is the {disfmarker} the only model , eh {disfmarker} eh , he used that , eh {pause} {vocalsound} eh {pause} nnn , to detect the {disfmarker} the possibility of a {disfmarker} a change between the {disfmarker} between the speaker ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} another {disfmarker} another research thing , different groups , eh {pause} working , eh {pause} on Broadcast News {vocalsound} prefer to , eh {pause} to consider hypothesis eh {pause} between each phoneme .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , when a {pause} phone changes .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Because , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's more realistic that , uh {pause} only consider the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the silence between the speaker . Eh {pause} there {disfmarker} there exists eh {pause} silence between {disfmarker} between , eh {pause} a speaker . is {disfmarker} is , eh {pause} eh {pause} acoustic , eh {pause} event , important to {disfmarker} to consider .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I found that the , eh {pause} silence in {disfmarker} in many occasions in the {disfmarker} in the speech file , but , eh {pause} when you have , eh {pause} eh , two speakers together without enough silence between {disfmarker} between them , eh {pause} {vocalsound} I think eh {pause} is better to use the acoustic change detector basically and I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I IX or , mmm , BIC criterion for consider all the frames in my opinion .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , the {disfmarker} you know , the reason that he , uh {pause} just used silence {vocalsound} was not because he thought it was better , it was {disfmarker} it was {disfmarker} it was the place he was starting .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , he was trying to get something going ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , uh e e you know , as {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} {vocalsound} as is in your case , if you 're here for only a modest number of months you try to pick a realistic goal ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Do something .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But his {disfmarker} his goal was always to proceed from there to then allow broad category change also .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . But , eh {pause} do {disfmarker} do you think that if you consider all the frames to apply {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the , eh {pause} the BIC criterion to detect the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the different acoustic change , {vocalsound} eh {pause} between speaker , without , uh {pause} with , uh {pause} silence or {vocalsound} with overlapping , uh , I think like {disfmarker} like , eh {pause} eh a general , eh {pause} eh {pause} way of process the {disfmarker} the acoustic change .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "In a first step , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "An - and then , eh {pause} {vocalsound} eh {pause} without considering the you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you , um {pause} you can consider the energy {vocalsound} like a another parameter in the {disfmarker} in the feature vector , eh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} this is the idea . And if , if you do that , eh {pause} eh , with a BIC uh criterion for example , or with another kind of , eh {pause} of distance in a first step , {vocalsound} and then you , eh {pause} you get the , eh {pause} the hypothesis to the {disfmarker} this change acoustic , {vocalsound} eh {pause} {vocalsound} to po process",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Because , eh {pause} eh , probably you {disfmarker} you can find the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} eh {pause} a small gap of silence between speaker {vocalsound} with eh {pause} eh {pause} a ga mmm , {pause} {vocalsound} small duration Less than , {vocalsound} eh {pause} two hundred milliseconds for example",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and apply another {disfmarker} another algorithm , another approach like , eh {pause} eh {pause} detector of ene , eh detector of bass - tone energy to {disfmarker} to consider that , eh {vocalsound} that , eh {pause} zone . of s a small silence between speaker , or {vocalsound} another algorithm to {disfmarker} to process , {vocalsound} eh {pause} the {disfmarker} the segment between marks eh {pause} founded by the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} the BIC criterion and applied for {disfmarker} for each frame .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think is , eh {pause} nnn , it will be a an {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} a more general approach {vocalsound} the {pause} if we compare {disfmarker} with use , eh {pause} a neural net or another , eh {pause} speech recognizer with a broad class or {disfmarker} or narrow class , because , in my opinion eh {pause} it 's in my opinion , {vocalsound} eh if you {disfmarker} if you change the condition of the speech , I mean , if you adjust to your algorithm with a mixed speech file and to , eh {vocalsound} to , eh {pause} {vocalsound} adapt the neural net , eh {pause} used by Javier with a mixed file .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "uh With a m mixed file ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "With the what file ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "\" Mixed \" .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "with a {disfmarker} the mix , mix .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "\" Mixed . \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "\" Mixed ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . And {pause} and then you {disfmarker} you , eh you try to {disfmarker} to apply that , eh , eh , eh , speech recognizer to that signal , to the PDA , eh {pause} speech file , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I think you will have problems , because the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {pause} condition {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you will need t t I {disfmarker} I suppose that you will need to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to retrain it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , absolutely . This is {disfmarker} this is not what I was suggesting to do .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "u {vocalsound} Look , I {disfmarker} I think this is a {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} once {disfmarker} It 's a {disfmarker} I used to work , like , on voiced {disfmarker} on voice silence detection , you know , and this is this {pause} kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Really ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} If you {vocalsound} have somebody who has some experience with this sort of thing , and they work on it for a couple months , {vocalsound} they can come up with something that gets most of the cases fairly easily . Then you say , \" OK , I don't just wanna get most of the cases I want it to be really accurate . \" Then it gets really hard no matter what you do . So , the p the problem is is that if you say , \" Well I {disfmarker} I have these other data over here , {vocalsound} that I learn things from , either explicit training of neural nets or of Gaussian mixture models or whatever . \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {pause} Suppose you don't use any of those things . You say you have looked for acoustic change . Well , what does that mean ? That {disfmarker} that means you set some thresholds somewhere or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? and {disfmarker} and so {vocalsound} where do you get your thresholds from ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "From something that you looked at . So {vocalsound} you always have this problem , you 're going to new data um {pause} H how are you going to adapt whatever you can very quickly learn about the new data ? {vocalsound} Uh , if it 's gonna be different from old data that you have ? And I think that 's a problem {pause} with this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , also what I 'm doing right now is not intended to be an acoustic change detector for far - field mikes . What I 'm doing {vocalsound} is trying to use the close - talking mike {vocalsound} and just use {disfmarker} {pause} Can - and just generate candidate and just {pause} try to get a first pass at something that sort of works .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You have candidates .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker} actually {disfmarker} actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "the candidate .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "to make marking easier . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and I haven't spent a lot of time on it and I 'm not intending to spend a lot of time on it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . I {disfmarker} um , I , unfortunately , have to run ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "but , um {pause} I can imagine {pause} uh building {pause} a {pause} um {pause} model of speaker change {pause} detection {pause} that {vocalsound} takes into account {pause} both the far - field and the {vocalsound} uh {pause} actually , not just the close - talking mike for that speaker , but actually for all of th {pause} for all of the speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Everyone else .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "um {pause} If you model the {disfmarker} {pause} the {pause} effect that {pause} me speaking has on {pause} your {pause} microphone and everybody else 's microphone , as well as on that , {vocalsound} and you build , um {disfmarker} basically I think you 'd {disfmarker} you would {pause} build a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} an HMM that has as a state space all of the possible speaker combinations",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "All the {disfmarker} Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , um {vocalsound} you can control {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a little big .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that big actually , um",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Two to the N . Two to the number of people in the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Actually , Andreas may maybe {disfmarker} maybe just something simpler but {disfmarker} but along the lines of what you 're saying ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I was just realizing , I used to know this guy who used to build , uh {vocalsound} um , mike mixers {disfmarker} automatic mike mixers where , you know , t in order to able to turn up the gain , you know , uh {vocalsound} as much as you can , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you lower the gain on {disfmarker} on the mikes of people who aren't talking ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {comment} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "right ? And then he had some sort of {vocalsound} reasonable way of doing that ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} uh , what if you were just looking at very simple measures like energy measures but you don't just compare it to some threshold {pause} overall but you compare it to the {vocalsound} energy in the other microphones .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking about doing that originally to find out {pause} who 's the loudest , and that person is certainly talking .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But I also wanted to find threshold {disfmarker} uh , excuse me , mol overlap .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , not just {disfmarker} just the loudest .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But , eh",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I Sorry . I {disfmarker} I have found that when {disfmarker} when I I analyzed the {disfmarker} the speech files from the , {pause} eh {pause} mike , eh {pause} from the eh close eh {pause} microphone , eh {pause} I found zones with a {disfmarker} a different level of energy .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , I have to go .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Could you fill that out anyway ? Just , {pause} put your name in . Are y you want me to do it ? I 'll do it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But he 's not gonna even read that . Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "including overlap zone . including . because , eh {pause} eh {pause} depend on the position of the {disfmarker} of the microph of the each speaker {vocalsound} to , eh , to get more o or less energy {vocalsound} i in the mixed sign in the signal . and then , {vocalsound} if you consider energy to {disfmarker} to detect overlapping in {disfmarker} in , uh , and you process the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the speech file from the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the mixed signals . The mixed signals , eh . I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's difficult , um {vocalsound} {pause} only to en with energy to {disfmarker} to consider that in that zone We have eh , eh , overlapping zone Eh , if you process only the the energy of the , of each frame .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's probably harder , but I {disfmarker} I think what I was s nnn noting just when he {disfmarker} when Andreas raised that , was that there 's other information to be gained from looking at all {vocalsound} of the microphones and you may not need to look at very sophisticated things ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because if there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if most of the overlaps {disfmarker} you know , this doesn't cover , say , three , but if most of the overlaps , say , are two , {vocalsound} if the distribution looks like there 's a couple high ones and {disfmarker} and {pause} the rest of them are low ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And everyone else is low , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "you know , what I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "there 's some information there about their distribution even with very simple measures .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , by the way , I had an idea with {disfmarker} while I was watching Chuck nodding at a lot of these things , is that we can all wear little bells on our heads , {vocalsound} so that {vocalsound} then you 'd know that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ding , ding , ding , ding .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "\" Ding \" . That 's cute !",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think that 'd be really interesting too , with blindfolds . Then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Nodding with blindfolds ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The question is , {pause} like {pause} whether {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" what are you nodding about ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , trying with and {disfmarker} {pause} with and without , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Sorry , I 'm just {disfmarker} I 'm just going to sleep . \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But then there 's just one @ @ , like .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , I saw a uh {disfmarker} a woman at the bus stop the other day who , um , was talking on her cell phone {vocalsound} speaking Japanese , and was bowing . you know , profusely .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , that 's really common .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {comment} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just , kept {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's very difficult if you try {disfmarker} while you 're trying , say , to convince somebody on the phone it 's difficult not to move your hands . Not {disfmarker} You know , if you watch people they 'll actually do these things .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . I still think we should try a {disfmarker} a meeting or two with the blindfolds , at least of this meeting that we have lots of recordings of",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um , maybe for part of the meeting , we don't have to do it the whole meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think th I think it 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That could be fun . It 'll be too hard to make barriers , I was thinking because they have to go all the way",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "W Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "you know , I can see Chuck even if you put a barrier here .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we could just turn out the lights .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Actually {pause} well also {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can say I made barr barriers for {disfmarker} so that {disfmarker} the {pause} stuff I was doing with Collin wha {pause} which {pause} just used , um {pause} this {pause} kind of foam board .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Y Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "R really inexpensive . You can {disfmarker} you can masking tape it together , these are {pause} you know , pretty l large partitions .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But then we also have these mikes , is the other thing I was thinking , so we need a barrier that doesn't disturb {pause} the sound ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's true , it would disturb the , um {pause} the {disfmarker} the long - range {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The acoustics .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Blindfolds would be good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "it would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think , blindfolds .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it sounds weird but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {pause} you know it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's cheap and , uh Be interesting to have the camera going .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Probably we should wait until after Adam 's set up the mikes , But .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . I think we 're going to have to work on the , uh {disfmarker} {pause} on the human subjects {vocalsound} form .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I 'll be peeking .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right , we didn't tell them we would be blindfolding .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Do you mind being blindfolded while you 're interviewed ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's the one that we videotape . So . Um , I {disfmarker} I wanna move this along . Uh {pause} I did have this other agenda item which is , uh @ @ {disfmarker} it 's uh a list which I sent to uh {disfmarker} a couple folks , but um I wanted to get broader input on it , So this is the things that I think we did {vocalsound} in the last three months obviously not everything we did but {disfmarker} but sort of highlights that I can {disfmarker} {pause} can {pause} tell {pause} s some outside person , you know , what {disfmarker} what were you {pause} actually working on . Um {pause} in no particular order {vocalsound} uh , one , uh , ten more hours of meeting r meetings recorded , something like that , you know from {disfmarker} from , uh {pause} three months ago . Uh {pause} XML formats and other transcription aspects sorted out {pause} and uh {pause} sent to IBM . Um , pilot data put together and sent to IBM for transcription , uh {pause} next batch of recorded data put together on the CD - ROMs for shipment to IBM ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hasn't been sent yet , but {disfmarker} It 's getting ready .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , that 's why I phrased it that way , yeah OK . Um {pause} human subjects approval on campus , uh {pause} and release forms worked out so the meeting participants have a chance to request audio pixelization of selected parts of the spee their speech . Um {vocalsound} audio pixelization software written and tested . Um {pause} {vocalsound} preliminary analysis of overlaps in the pilot data we have transcribed , and exploratory analysis of long - distance inferences for topic coherence , that was {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} {pause} wasn't {pause} sure if those were the right way {disfmarker} {pause} that was the right way to describe that because of that little exercise that {disfmarker} that you {comment} and {disfmarker} and Lokendra did .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What was that called ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} well , I I 'm probably saying this wrong , but what I said was exploratory analysis of long - distance inferences {vocalsound} for topic coherence .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The , uh {pause} say again ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Something like that . Um {pause} so , uh {pause} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} a lot of that was from , you know , what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what you two were doing so I {disfmarker} I sent it to you , and you know , please mail me , you know , the corrections or suggestions for changing",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't want to make this twice it 's length but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but you know , just im improve it . Um Is there anything anybody {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I did a bunch of stuff for supporting of digits .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "\" Bunch of stuff for s \" OK , maybe {disfmarker} maybe send me a sentence that 's a little thought through about that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , {pause} OK , I 'll send you a sentence that doesn't just say \" a bunch of \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "\" Bunch of stuff \" , yeah , \" stuff \" is probably bad too ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . \" Stuff \" {pause} is not very technical .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'll try to {pause} phrase it in passive voice .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Technical stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "\" range of things \" , yeah . Um {pause} and {disfmarker} and you know , I sort of threw in what you did with what Jane did on {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} under the , uh {pause} uh {vocalsound} preliminary analysis of overlaps . Uh {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} Thilo , can you tell us about all the work you 've done on this project in the last , uh {pause} last three months ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} what is {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} Um . Not really .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's too complicated .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , {pause} I didn't get it . Wh - what is \" audio pixelization \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , audio pix wh he did it , so why don't you explain it quickly ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just , uh {pause} beeping out parts that you don't want included in the meeting so , you know you can say things like , \" Well , this should probably not be on the record , but beep \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK , OK . I got that .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we spent a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a fair amount of time early on just talk dealing with this issue about op w e e {vocalsound} we realized , \" well , people are speaking in an impromptu way and they might say something that would embarrass them or others later \" , and , how do you get around that",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": " OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so in the consent form it says , well you {disfmarker} we will look at the transcripts later and if there 's something that you 're {pause} unhappy with , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , and you can say {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But you don't want to just totally excise it because um uh , well you have to be careful about excising it , how {disfmarker} how you excise it keeping the timing right and so forth so that at the moment tho th the idea we 're running with is {disfmarker} is h putting the beep over it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you can either beep or it can be silence . I {disfmarker} I couldn't decide . which was the right way to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Beep is good auditorily ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "if someone is listening to it , there 's no mistake that it 's been beeped out ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but for software it 's probably better for it to be silence .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "No , no . You can {disfmarker} you know , you could make a m as long as you keep using the same beep , people could make a model of that beep ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And I use {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {pause} it 's an A below middle C beep ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I think the beep is a really good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's very clear . Then you don't think it 's a long pause .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Also {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's more obvious that there was something there than if there 's just silence .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker} I mean , he 's {disfmarker} he 's removing the old {pause} thing",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yea - right . Right . But I mean if you just replaced it with silence , {pause} it 's not clear whether that 's really silence or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "One {disfmarker} one question . Do you do it on all channels ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Of course .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Interesting . I like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you have to do it on all channels because it 's , uh {pause} audible .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Very clear . Very clear .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's potentially audible , you could potentially recover it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ke - keep a back door .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other thing that {disfmarker} you know , I mean the {disfmarker} the alternative might be to s",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I {disfmarker} I haven't thrown away any of the meetings that I beeped . Actually yours is the only one that I beeped and then , uh {pause} the ar DARPA meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Notice how quiet I am .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , and then the DARPA meeting I just excised completely ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "so it 's in a private directory .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "You have some people who only have beeps as their speech in these meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's great . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They 're easy to find , then .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so , uh {pause} I think we should , uh {pause} uh , go on to the digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I have one concept a t I {disfmarker} I want to say , which is that I think it 's nice that you 're preserving the time relations ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "s so you 're {disfmarker} you 're not just cutting {disfmarker} you 're not doing scissor snips . You 're {disfmarker} you 're keeping the , uh {pause} the time duration of a {disfmarker} de - deleted {disfmarker} deleted part .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , good , digits .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , since we wanna {pause} possibly synchronize these things as well . Oh , I should have done that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Shoot . Oh well .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So I guess if there 's an overlap , {pause} like , if I 'm saying something that 's {pause} bleepable and somebody else overlaps during it they also get bleeped , too ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You 'll lose it . There 's no way around that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um {pause} I d I did {disfmarker} before we do the digits , I did also wanna remind people , uh {pause} {vocalsound} please do send me , you know , uh thoughts for an agenda ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Agenda ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "yeah that {disfmarker} that would be that 'd be good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Eh So that , uh , people 's ideas don't get",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thursday crept up on me this week .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "yeah , well it does creep up , doesn't it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , I wanted to say , I think this is really interesting {pause} analysis .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It 's cool stuff , definitely .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I meant to say that before I started off on the {pause} Switchboard stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I was gonna say \" can you do that for the other meetings ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's neat .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "can you do it for them ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And , no actually , you can't .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker} actually I {disfmarker} I thought that 's what you were giving us was another meeting and I was like , \" Oh , OK ! \"",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Does it take {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "\" Ooo , cool ! \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Aw , thanks .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "How long does it {pause} take , just briefly , like {pause} t to {disfmarker} {pause} OK . {pause} to label the ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . I have the script now , so , I mean , it can work off the , uh {pause} other thing ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} As soon as we get labels , yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "But it has to be hand - labeled first ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Uh , well , yeah . Because , uh {pause} well , I mean {pause} once his {disfmarker} his algorithm is up and running then we can do it that way .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "If it works well enough . Right now it 's not . Not quite to the point where it works .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "But {pause} I {disfmarker} I just worked off of my",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "It 's really neat .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK , go ahead",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Appreciate that . I think {disfmarker} what I {disfmarker} what this has , uh , caused me {disfmarker} so this discussion caused me to wanna subdivide these further . I 'm gonna take a look at the , uh {pause} backchannels , how much we have anal I hope to have that for next time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , my {disfmarker} my algorithm worked great actually on these , but when you wear it like that or with the uh , lapel {pause} or if you have it very far from your face , that 's when it starts {pause} failing .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I can wear it , I mean if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we want it to work ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's too late now .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "right ? I {disfmarker} I don't want {pause} to change the way we do the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "I feel like this troublemaker .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "It 's uh {disfmarker} {pause} so , it was just a comment on the software , not a comment on {vocalsound} prescriptions on how you wear microphones .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , that 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's do digits .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Get the bolts , \" whh whh \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Let 's do it . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK , thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Do you want us to put a mark on the bottom of these when they 've actually been read , or do you just {pause} i i the only one that wasn't read is {disfmarker} is known , so we don't do it . OK .",
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"answer": "Postdoc C suggested a possible hypothesis that energy is increased as more people are speaking. New forms were discussed, as these will include more details that may have to be completed by analysts through interviews with participants. The Multitrans update by the graduate student seems promising, and has been sent for review. ",
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"answer": "Derivatives were not discussed with Jose but other possibilities were explored. First that log energy is basically compressing the distances. Another is that he needs to assess the different temporal sizes . He is taking everything over two hundred milliseconds and varying that number. He is also considering moving windows , as previously discussed. He is measuring at the frame level.",
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"content": "Starts {disfmarker} No . No .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No . That 's a different thing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There 's another {disfmarker} I don't know . It starts with a P or something . I forget the word for it , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Typically when you {disfmarker} you 're ab r starting around forty for most people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift things",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and th the {disfmarker} the symptom is typically that you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to {disfmarker} to see it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "In fact , uh m my brother 's a {pause} gerontological psychologist and he {disfmarker} he uh {vocalsound} came up with an {disfmarker} an uh {disfmarker} a uh body age test which uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it . And one of them is {disfmarker} is the distance {vocalsound} that you have to hold it at .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Give someone a piece of paper and then they {disfmarker} Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We 're {disfmarker} we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro here",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah . About how old I am .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We can edit that out if you want .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's optional .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So . This time the form discussion should be very short ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It also should be {pause} later .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Because Jane uh is not here yet .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And uh she 'll be most interested in that . Uh , she 's probably least involved in the signal - processing stuff so maybe we can just {disfmarker} just uh , I don't think we should go though an elaborate thing , but um uh Jose and I were just talking about {vocalsound} the uh {nonvocalsound} uh , speech e energy thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and I uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We didn't talk about the derivatives . But I think , you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} i if I can {disfmarker} if you don't mind my {disfmarker} my speaking for you for a bit , um {vocalsound} Uh . Right now , that he 's not really showing any kind of uh distinction , but uh {disfmarker} but we discussed a couple of the possible things that uh he can look at . Um . And uh one is that uh this is all in log energy and log energy is basically compressing the distances {vocalsound} uh {pause} between things . Um {pause} Another is that he needs to play with the {disfmarker} the different uh {pause} uh temporal sizes . He was {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds uh , and uh he 's going to vary that number and also look at moving windows , as we discussed before . Um And uh {disfmarker} and the other thing is that the {disfmarker} yeah doing the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} subtracting off the mean and the variance in the {disfmarker} {pause} uh and dividing it by the {pause} standard deviation in the log domain , {vocalsound} may not be {pause} the right thing to do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hi Jane !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We just started .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Could you take that mike there ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Are these the long term means ? Like , over the whole {disfmarker} I mean , the means of {pause} what ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh B Between {disfmarker} between {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "All the frames in the conversation ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or of things that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Between {disfmarker} Neither . It 's uh between the pauses {pause} uh for some segment .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so i i his {disfmarker} his {disfmarker} He 's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so you take that . And then he 's {disfmarker} he 's uh measuring at the frame level {disfmarker} still at the frame level , of what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker} and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount . um and {disfmarker} But one thing he was pointing out is when he {disfmarker} he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see {vocalsound} the change . And you can sort of {pause} see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that {vocalsound} if you sort of have log - X plus log - X , that 's the log of X plus the log of two",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe it 's not log distributed .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and it 's just , {pause} you know , it {disfmarker} it diminishes the {pause} effect of having two of them .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But you could do like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , right . So {disfmarker} So what I was suggesting to him is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "So just some kind of a simple {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Actually , a PDF . But , you know , uh But , either way .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "PDF",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , eith eith uh {vocalsound} B",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Something like that where it 's sort of data driven .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but I think {pause} also u I think a good first indicator is when the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the researcher looks at {vocalsound} examples of the data and can not see a change {pause} in how big the {disfmarker} the signal is , {vocalsound} when the two speaker {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then , that 's a problem right there . So . I think you should at least be able ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "doing casual looking and can get the sense , \" Hey , there 's something there . \" and then you can play around with the measures . And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's not really seeing it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . And when he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . So that was {disfmarker} that was the discussion we just had . Um . {vocalsound} The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this . Uh , when you did the {vocalsound} sampling ? uh {pause} over the {pause} speech segments or s or sampling over the {disfmarker} the individual channels in order to do the e uh the {pause} amplitude equalization , {vocalsound} did you do it over just the entire {disfmarker} everything in the mike channels ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You didn't try to find speech ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um {pause} sampled ten minutes randomly .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , OK . So then that means that someone who didn't speak {pause} very much {vocalsound} would be largely represented by silence .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And someone who would {disfmarker} who would be {disfmarker} So the normalization factor probably is {pause} i i i {pause} is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this was quite quick and dirty , and it was just for {pause} listening .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And for listening it seems to work really well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But , it 's not {disfmarker} Not a good measure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So th",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So yeah there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} There 's a good chance then given that different people do talk different amounts {pause} that there is {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there is still a lot more to be gained from gain norm normalization with some sort",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "if {disfmarker} if we can figure out a way to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . But we were agreed that in addition to that {comment} uh there should be {pause} s stuff related to pitch and harmonics and so forth .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So we didn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives , but uh again just {disfmarker} just looking at {disfmarker} Uh , I think uh Liz has a very good point , that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show {disfmarker} Well , actually , you do have some distributions here , uh for these cases .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You have some histograms , um {pause} and {pause} uh , they don't look very separate .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh {vocalsound} {pause} separated .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "This is the {disfmarker} the first derivate of log of frame energy uh without any kind of normalization .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Log energy . Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "These the These are the {disfmarker} the first experiments uh with comment uh",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Frame energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Except that {pause} it 's hard to judge this because the {disfmarker} they 're not normalized . It 's just number of frames .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , even so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "W {vocalsound} I mean , what I meant is , even if you use linear , {pause} you know , raw {pause} measures , like {pause} raw energy or whatever ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "\" Number \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use {disfmarker} you know , use the distribution to model the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} And so in {disfmarker} in these he 's got that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "He 's got some pictures . But he doesn't {disfmarker} he doesn't in the {disfmarker} he i",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "just in derivatives , but not in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "but he d but he doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , we don't {pause} know what they look like {pause} on the , {pause} tsk {disfmarker} {comment} For the raw .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "But he didn't h have it for the energy . He had it for the derivatives . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . I mean , there might be something there . I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Interesting",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Here I {disfmarker} I",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Oh that {disfmarker} yeah that 's a good q",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "in {disfmarker} No I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I haven't the result",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "did {disfmarker} did you have this sort of thing , for just the {disfmarker} just the l r uh the {disfmarker} the unnormalized log energy ? OK . Yeah . So she {disfmarker} she 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but it 's the {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the following .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well it might be just good to know what it looks like .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} That 's uh {pause} cuz I 'd mentioned scatter plots before but she 's right ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature {vocalsound} uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Catal - uh {disfmarker} Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the scatter plot {pause} combining eh different {pause} n two combination .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} but what she 's saying {pause} is , which is right , is {pause} le",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "combination of two , {pause} of energy and derivate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , let 's start with the {disfmarker} Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is {pause} we 're arguing that if you take energy {disfmarker} uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually {vocalsound} {pause} there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that sort of hypothesis .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the first way you 'd look at that , uh s she 's , you know , absolutely right , is that you would just take a look at the distribution of those two things , much as you 've plotted them here ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , but just {disfmarker} but just {disfmarker} {pause} just uh do it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well in this case you have three . You have the silence , and that {disfmarker} that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , uh with three colors or three shades or whatever , just {disfmarker} just look at those distributions .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then , given that as a base , you can see if that gets improved , you know , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} {pause} or worsened {pause} by the {disfmarker} looking at regular energy , looking at log energy , we were just proposing that maybe it 's {disfmarker} you know , it 's harder to {pause} see with the log energy , um and uh also these different normalizations , does a particular choice of normalization make it better ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I had maybe made it too complicated by suggesting early on , that you look at scatter plots because that 's looking at a distribution in two dimensions . Let 's start off just in one , uh , with this feature .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's probably the most basic thing , before anything very complicated .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um And then we w I think we 're agreed that pitch - related things are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are going to be a {disfmarker} a really likely candidate to help .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I agree , yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} But {pause} since {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up , {vocalsound} when two people were talking , {vocalsound} that 's {disfmarker} eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will {pause} match your intuition .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And she 's right , that a {disfmarker} that having a {disfmarker} having {disfmarker} {comment} having this table , with a whole bunch of things , {pause} with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the {disfmarker} the same kind of picture you have here .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Uh - huh . Yeah . But {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 's curious but uh I f I found it in the {disfmarker} in the mixed file , in one channel {vocalsound} that eh in several {disfmarker} oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level of energy",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "eh in the middle eh a zone of overlapping with mmm less energy",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and eh come with another speaker with high energy",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and the overlapping zone has eh less energy .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there 'll be some cases for which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Because there reach very many",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , the qu So {disfmarker} So they 'll be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I w want to point {pause} to visual things , But I mean they {disfmarker} there 'll be time {disfmarker} There 'll be overlap between the distributions , but the question is , \" If it 's a reasonable feature at all , there 's some separation . \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Especially locally .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . Locally .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "just locally , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} I was just going to say that {disfmarker} that {pause} right now we 're just exploring .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing is I Sorry . I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What you would imagine eventually , is that you 'll feed all of these features into some {pause} discriminative system .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And so even if {disfmarker} if one of the features does a good job at one type of overlap , another feature might do a good job at another type of overlap .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean the {disfmarker} the reason I had suggested the scatter f p features is I used to do this a lot , when we had thirteen or fifteen or twenty features {pause} to look at .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um Because something is a good feature uh by itself , you don't really know how it 'll behave in combination and so it 's nice to have as many {disfmarker} as many together at the same time as possible in uh in some reasonable visual form . There 's cool graphic things people have had sometimes to put together three or four in some funny {disfmarker} funny way . But it 's true that you shouldn't do any of that unless you know that the individual ones , at least , have {disfmarker} have some uh {disfmarker} some hope",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , especially for normalizing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's really important to {pause} pick a normalization that matches the distribution for that feature .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And it may not be the same for all the types of overlaps or the windows may not be the same . e Actually , I was wondering , {vocalsound} right now you 're taking a {disfmarker} all of the {pause} speech , from the whole meeting , and you 're trying to find points of overlap , but we don't really know which speaker is overlapping with which speaker ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "right ? So I mean another way would just be to take the speech from just , say , Morgan , And just Jane and then just their overlaps ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker} but by hand , by cheating , and looking at you know , if you can detect something that way , because if we can't do it that way , there 's no good way that we 're going to be able to do it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No prayer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} You know , there might be something helpful and cleaner about looking at just {pause} individuals and then that combination alone .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Plus , I think it has more elegant {disfmarker} e",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The m the right model will be {pause} easier to see that way . So if {disfmarker} I don't know , if you go through and you find Adam , cuz he has a lot of overlaps and some other speaker who also has e enough speech",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and just sort of look at those three cases of Adam and the other person and the overlaps ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "maybe {disfmarker} and just look at the distributions , maybe there is a clear pattern",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but we just can't see it because there 's too many combinations of {disfmarker} of people that can overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I had the same intuition last {disfmarker} last {disfmarker} last week .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So . Just seems sort of complex .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's {disfmarker} to start with it 's s your {disfmarker} your idea of simplifying , starting with something that {pause} you can see {pause} eh you know without the {pause} extra {pause} layers of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Cuz if energy doesn't matter there , like {disfmarker} I don't think this is true , but what if",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "To study individual ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "To study individual ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you don't have to study everybody individually",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , to study the simplest case to get rid of extra {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} Consider {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {pause} just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That was a great overlap by the way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What if it 's the case that when two people overlap they equate their {disfmarker} you know , there 's a {pause} conservation of energy and everybody {disfmarker} both people talk more softly ? I don't think this happens at all .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or what if what if the equipment {disfmarker} what if the equipment adjusts somehow ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Or they get louder .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "there 's some equalizing in there ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no we don't have that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , but {disfmarker} But I think that 's what I was saying about different types of overlap .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Saturation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "There are {disfmarker} there are different types , and within those types , like as Jose was saying , that {pause} sounded like a backchannel overlap , meaning the kind that 's {pause} a friendly encouragement , like \" Mm - hmm . \" , \" Great ! \" , \" Yeah ! \"",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it doesn't take {disfmarker} you don't take the floor . Um , but , some of those , as you showed , I think can be discriminated by the duration of the overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . It {disfmarker} Actually the s new student , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings {disfmarker} He 's {pause} getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again {pause} in mid - January . He 's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap . I don't know if he 's talked with you yet . But in sort of honing in on these different types",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is a s a general studio of the overlapping we 're studying the {disfmarker} i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well {pause} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I would s actually still recommend that he do the overall thing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it might be something that we can {pause} help by categorizing some of them and then , you know , look at that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "because {pause} it would be the quickest thing for him to do . He could {disfmarker} You see , he already has all his stuff in place ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "he has the histogram mechanism , he has the stuff that subtracts out {disfmarker} and all he has to do is change it uh uh from {disfmarker} from log to plain energy and plot the histogram and look at it . And then he should go on and do the other stuff bec but {disfmarker} But this will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , no . I didn't mean that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} for you to do that , but I was thinking if {disfmarker} if Don and I are trying to get {pause} categories",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and we label some data for you , and we say this is what we think is going {disfmarker} So you don't have to worry about it . And here 's the three types of overlaps .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll do the labelling for you .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Consider different class of overlap ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that we would be working on anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If there 's time .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then maybe {pause} you can try some different things for those three cases , and see if that helps , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . This is the thing I {disfmarker} I comment with you before , that uh we have a great variation of th situation of overlapping .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And the behavior for energy is , uh log energy , {vocalsound} is not uh the same all the time .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I guess I was just saying that {disfmarker} that right now uh from the means that you gave , I don't have any sense of whether even , you know , there are any significant number of cases for which there is distinct {disfmarker} and I would imagine there should be some {disfmarker} you know , there should be {disfmarker} The distributions should be somewhat separated .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh and I {disfmarker} I would still guess that if they are not separated at all , that there 's some {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's most likely something wrong in the way that we 're measuring it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , but {pause} um For instance , I mean I wouldn't expect that it was very common overall , that when two people were talking at the same time , that it would {disfmarker} that it really was lower ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "although sometimes , as you say , it would .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no , that was {disfmarker} That was a jok",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "or a sort of , a case where {disfmarker} where you would never know that unless you actually go and look at two individuals .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean . No . It could {disfmarker} it probably does happen sometimes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mind if I turned that light off ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The flickering is annoying me .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It might the case , though , that the significant energy , just as Jose was saying , comes in the non - backchannel cases . Because in back Most people when they 're talking don't change their own {pause} energy when they get a backchannel , cuz they 're not really predicting the backchannel .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And sometimes it 's a nod and sometimes it 's an \" mm - hmm \" .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the \" mm - hmm \" is really usually very low energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So maybe those don't actually have much difference in energy . But {pause} all the other cases might .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "e {vocalsound} e and {disfmarker} and again what they {disfmarker} what difference there was would kind of be lost in taking the log ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and the backchannels are sort of easy to spot s in terms of their words or {disfmarker} I mean , just listen to it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so , as well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it would be lost {pause} no matter what you do .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , no , if it 's {disfmarker} if i if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Tone",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it won't be as big .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , even if you take the log , you can {disfmarker} your model just has a more sensitive {pause} measures .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sure , but tone might be very",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you 're \" mm - hmm \" tone is going to be very different .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You could imagine doing specialized ones for different types of backchannels , if you could {disfmarker} if you had a good model for it . Your \" mm - hmm \" detector .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if you 're {disfmarker} a I guess my point is , if you 're doing essentially a linear separation , taking the log first does in fact make it harder to separate .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} So , uh if you i i So i if there {disfmarker} if there close to things it does",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it 's a nonlinear operation that does in fact change the distinction . If you 're doing a non if you 're doing some fancy thing then {disfmarker} then yeah . And right now we 're essentially doing this linear thing by looking across here and {disfmarker} and saying we 're going to cut it here . Um and that {disfmarker} that 's the indicator that we 're getting . But anyway , yeah , we 're not {pause} disagreeing on any of this , we should look at it more uh {disfmarker} more finely , but uh uh I think that {disfmarker} This often happens , you do fairly complicated things , and then you stand back from them and you realize that you haven't done something simple . So uh , if you generated something like that just for the energy and see , and then , a a a as {disfmarker} as Liz says , when they g have uh uh smaller um , more coherent groups to look at , that would be another interesting thing later .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then that should give us some indication {disfmarker} between those , should give us some indication of whether there 's anything to be achieved f from energy at all .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then you can move on to the uh {pause} uh more {nonvocalsound} pitch related stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think this is a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Not consider the log energy .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But then the {disfmarker} Have you started looking at the pitch related {pause} stuff at all , or {disfmarker} ? Pitch {pause} related ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Harmonicity and so on ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm preparing the {disfmarker} the program but I don't {disfmarker} I don't begin because eh {vocalsound} I saw your email",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Preparing to {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} I agree with you it 's better to {disfmarker} I suppose it 's better to {disfmarker} to consider the {disfmarker} the energy this kind of parameter {vocalsound} bef",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , that 's not what I meant . No , no . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Well , we certainly should see this but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that the harm I certainly wasn't saying this was better than the harmonicity and pitch related things I was just saying",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I go on with the {disfmarker} with the pitch ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "aha ! {pause} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was just saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I understood uh that eh {pause} I {disfmarker} I had to finish {pause} by the moment with the {vocalsound} and {disfmarker} and concentrate my {disfmarker} my energy in that problem .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . {vocalsound} OK . But I think , like , all these derivatives and second derivatives and all these other very fancy things , I think I would just sort of look at the energy {pause} and then get into the harmonicity as {disfmarker} as a suggestion .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . I go on with the pitch .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh OK . So maybe uh since w we 're trying to uh compress the meeting , um , I know Adam had some form stuff he wanted to talk about and did you have some ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I wanted to ask just s something on the end of this top topic . So , when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers , at the bottom of that I did have a proposal ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and I had plan to go through with it , of {disfmarker} of co coding the types of overlaps that people were involved in s just with reference to speaker style so , you know , with reference {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and you know I said that on my {disfmarker} in my summary ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that {pause} you know so it 's like people may have different amounts of being overlapped with or overlapping",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I remem Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but that in itself is not informative without knowing what types of overlaps they 're involved in so I was planning to do a taxonomy of types overlaps with reference to that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That would be great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , but it you know it 's like it sounds like you also have uh something in that direction .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That would be really great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "We have nothing {disfmarker} You know , basically , we got {pause} his environment set up . He 's {disfmarker} he 's a double - E {comment} you know . So . It 's mostly that , {pause} if we had to {pause} label it ourselves , we {disfmarker} we would or we 'd have to , to get started , but if {disfmarker} {pause} It {disfmarker} it would be much better if you can do it . You 'd be much better {comment} at doing it also because {vocalsound} you know , I {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker} I don't have a good feel for how they should be sorted out ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and I really didn't wanna go into that if I didn't have to . So if {disfmarker} If you 're w willing to do that or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It would be interesting , though , to talk , maybe not at the meeting , but at some other time about what are the classes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe we can OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's a research {pause} effort in and of itself ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it would be interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll {pause} turn out",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , You know , it 's always an interesting question .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It seems like we also s with reference to a purpose , too , that we we 'd want to have them coded .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I would think it 's interesting , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be really great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I can do that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And we 'd still have some {pause} funding for this project ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh uh",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "like probably , if we had to hire some {disfmarker} like an undergrad , because uh Don is being covered half time on something else {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , he {disfmarker} we 're not paying him {pause} the full RA - ship for {disfmarker} all the time . So . {vocalsound} um If we got it to where we wanted {disfmarker} we needed someone to do that {disfmarker} I don't think there 's really enough data where {disfmarker} where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , I see this as a prototype , to use the only the {disfmarker} the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think a a another parameter we c we {disfmarker} we can consider is eh the {pause} duration .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Another e e m besides eh the {disfmarker} the class of overlap , the duration . Because is possible {vocalsound} eh some s s um eh some classes eh has eh {pause} a type of a duration , eh , {pause} a duration very short uh when we have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we have overlapping with speech .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe {disfmarker} It may be correlated . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Is possible to have . And it 's interesting , {pause} I think , {pause} to consider the {disfmarker} the window of normalization , normalization window . Eh {pause} because eh if we have a type of , {pause} a kind of eh overlap , eh backchannel overlap , with a short duration , is possible {pause} eh to normali i i that if we normalize eh with eh {pause} eh consider only the {disfmarker} the eh window eh by the left eh ri eh {pause} side on the right side overlapping with a {disfmarker} a very {pause} eh oh a small window eh the {disfmarker} if the fit of normalization is eh mmm bigger eh in that overlapping zone eh very short",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's true . The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I me I {disfmarker} I understand . I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh {disfmarker} you have a overlapping zone very short",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and you consider eh n eh all the channel to normalize this very short eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "for example \" mmm mm - hmm hmm \" eh And the energy is not eh height eh I think if you consider all the channel to normalize and the channel is {pause} mmm bigger {pause} eh eh eh compared with the {disfmarker} with the overlapping eh duration ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "eh the effect is mmm stronger eh {pause} that I {disfmarker} I mean the {disfmarker} the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the {disfmarker} and the variance eh is different that if you consider {pause} only a {pause} window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . You {disfmarker} you want it around the overlapping part .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You want it to include something that 's not in overlapping",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} s If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's a sliding window , right ? So if you take the {disfmarker} the measure in the center of the overlapped {pause} piece , you know , there 'd better be some something .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But if your window is really huge then yeah you 're right you won't even {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , This is the {disfmarker} This is the {disfmarker} the idea , {vocalsound} to consider only the {disfmarker} the small window near {disfmarker} near {disfmarker} near the {disfmarker} the overlapping zone .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The portion of the {disfmarker} {comment} of the backchannel won't {disfmarker} won't effect anything . But you {disfmarker} Yeah . So . You know , you shouldn't be more than like {disfmarker} {pause} You should definitely not be three times as big as your {disfmarker} as your {pause} backchannel .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Then you 're gonna w have a wash . And hopefully it 's more like on the order of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure that 's {pause} necessarily true .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It is an empirical question , it seems like .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} because it {disfmarker} because um again if you 're just compensating for the gain ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yea",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "you know , the fact that this {disfmarker} this gain thing was crude , and the gain wh if someone is speaking relatively at consistent level , just to {disfmarker} to give a {disfmarker} an extreme example , all you 're doing is compensating for that . And then you still s And then if you look at the frame with respect to that , it still should {disfmarker} should uh change",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it depends how different your normalization is , as you slide your window across .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean . That 's something we don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's possible to try it both ways ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean we 're also talking about a couple of different things .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ? in this small",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , one is your analysis window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you 're doing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I was talking about the n normalization window .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} And they could be quite different .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This was sort of where {disfmarker} where we were last week .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , anyway We {disfmarker} we 'll have to look at some core things .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Um . But that 'd be great if {disfmarker} if you 're marking those",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But it is definitely true that we need to have the time marks ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and I was assuming that will be inherited because , if you have the words and they 're roughly aligned in time via forced alignment or whatever we end up using , then you know , this {pause} student and I would be looking at the time marks",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , I agree . Mm - hmm . Coming off of the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels Jane gave",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good . So , it wouldn't be {pause} I wasn't planning to label the time marks .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I can give you my transcription file ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I don't think you need to .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well we 're not any time soon going to get a forced alignment .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ? Not now .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's something that w Well , we {disfmarker} we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so somehow if {disfmarker} once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Great ! Good , good . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well again for the close {pause} mike stuff , we could come up {disfmarker} take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That might be good enough . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be worth a try . It would be interesting to see what we get .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz there 's {disfmarker} there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how {disfmarker} how would you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It would be very inefficient .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "is y if you 're interested in anything to do with words .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So . Anyway {pause} So that 'd be great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Good . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There 's something we should talk about later but maybe not just now . But , uh , should talk about our options as far as the uh uh {pause} transcription",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep , if IBM doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But . Well , w But we 'll do that later .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Do we hafta {pause} turn {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Let 's do that later .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Are we supposed to keep recording here ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "We 'll talk about it later .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} uh Uh \" forms \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Forms Next iteration of forms .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You had something on forms .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Oh good , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} So it 's two pages per person ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Nope . One 's a digit form , one 's a speaker form .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So one is a one time only {pause} speaker form and the other is the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh it 's the same . Oh no no . Is {disfmarker} is new Is OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So don't fill these out .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "This is just the suggestion for uh what the new forms would look like . So , they incorporate the changes {pause} that we talked about .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Date and time . Uh why did you switch the order of the Date and Time fields ? This is rather a low - level , but",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "On which one ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker} on the new one , Time comes first and then Date , but I thought {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh you mean on the digit form ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this is rather a low level question , but {disfmarker} but it used {disfmarker} used to be Date came first .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , because the user fills out the first three fields and I fill out the rest .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So it was intentional .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , how would the {disfmarker} How would the user know the time if they didn't know the date ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It 's an interesting observation , but it was intentional . Because the date is when you actually read the digits and the time and , excuse me , the time is when you actually read the digits , but I 'm filling out the date beforehand . If you look at the form in front of you ? that you 're going to fill out when you read the digits ? you 'll see I 've already filled in the date but not the time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I always assumed {disfmarker} So the time is supposed to be pretty exact , because I 've just been taking beginning time {disfmarker} time of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , me too .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 've noticed that in the forms .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the reason I put the time in , is so that the person who 's extracting the digits , meaning me , will know where to look in the meeting , to try to find the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Me too . Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh dear . We 've been {disfmarker} we 've been messing up your forms .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} I am put {disfmarker} I am putting the beginning of the meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you should call it , like , \" digits start time \" . Or .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And I haven't said anything . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "in {disfmarker} on there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Why {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} what were you putting in ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , I was saying if we started the meeting at two thirty ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'd put two thirty , and I guess d e everyone was putting two thirty ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's about fifty fifty .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and I didn't realize there was \" uh oh I 'm about to read this and I should \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Actually it 's about one third each . About one third of them are blank , about one third of them are when the digits are read , and about one third of them are when the {pause} meeting starts . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This would be a radical suggestion but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I could put instructions ? Nah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Ei - either that or maybe you could maybe write down when people {vocalsound} start reading digits on that particular session .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But if I 'm not at the meeting , I can't do that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I know , OK . That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he 's been setting stuff up and going away . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I see . Good point good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "For some reason he doesn't want to sit through every meeting that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep , but that is the reason Name , Email and Time are where they are .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I rest my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And then the others are later on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . w",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And the Seat is this number ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Seat and Session .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "\" For official use only \" That 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , he 's very professional .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "\" use only \"",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Actually you could {disfmarker} Well that does raise another question , which is why is the \" Professional use only \" line not higher ? Why doesn't it come in at the point of Date and Seat ? Oh . Because we 're filling in other things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , because {disfmarker} If y your {disfmarker} your professional use , you 're gonna already have the date , and the s",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} which form are you talking about ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well I 'm comparing the new one with the old one . This is the digit form .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh you 're talking about the digit form .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Digit . Digit form .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The digit form doesn't {disfmarker} The digit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! I wasn't supposed to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's alright .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "The digit form doesn't have a \" for official use only \" line . It just has a line , {pause} which is what you 're supposed to read .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} uh OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So on the digits form , everything above the line is a fill - in form",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry about that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and everything below the line is digits that the user reads .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Alright s but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here , so you really wanted to start with this other form .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No , either way is fine I just {disfmarker} You just started talking about something , and I didn't know which form you were referring to .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Alright yeah , I was comparing {disfmarker} so th this is {disfmarker} So I was looking at the change first . So it 's like we started with this and now we 've got a new version of it wi {pause} with reference to this . So the digit form , we had one already . Now the f the fields are slightly different .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So the main thing that the person fills out um {pause} is the name and email and time ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You do the rest ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Just as uh {disfmarker} as I have for all the others .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} And there 's an addition of the native language , which is a bit redundant .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This one has Native Language and this one does too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That 's because the one , the digit form that has native language is the old form not the new form .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Thank you . {pause} Thank you , thank you . There we go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . I 'll catch up here . OK , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "\" South Midland , North Midland \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's the old and that 's the new .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this was the problem with these categories , I {disfmarker} I picked those categories from TIMIT . I don't know what those are .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Actually , the only way I know is from working with the database and having to figure it out .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "With TIMIT , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , I was gonna ask",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So is South Midland like Kansas ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "wh w I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and North Midland like {disfmarker} like uh Illinois , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah . Nor - um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so what accent are we speaking ? Western ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "By definition ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And for simple for {disfmarker} for me ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Probably Western , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is mean my native language Spanish {disfmarker} Spanish ? eh The original is the center of Spain and the {vocalsound} beca",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean you could call it whatever you want . For the foreign language we couldn't classify every single one . So I just left it blank and you can put whatever you want .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Because is different , the Span - uh {pause} the Spanish language from the {disfmarker} the north of Spain , of the south , of the west and the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm not sure what to do about the Region field for English variety . You know , when I wrote {disfmarker} I was writing those down , I was thinking , \" You know , these are great {pause} if you 're a linguist \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I don't know how to {disfmarker} I don't know how to {disfmarker} I don't know how to categorize them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Actually even if you {vocalsound} {pause} t",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "If you 're {disfmarker} if e {vocalsound} if y",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This wasn't developed by {disfmarker} th these regions weren't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if you 're a TI or MIT {vocalsound} from {vocalsound} nineteen eighty - five .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah So I guess my only question was if {disfmarker} if you were a South Midland speaking region , person ? Would you know it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you would call yourself ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You know , I think if you 're talking {disfmarker} if you 're thinking in terms of places , {pause} as opposed to {pause} names different peop names people have given to {pause} different ways of talking , {pause} I would think North Midwest , and South Midwest would be more common than saying Midland , right , I mean , I {disfmarker} I went to s",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Now {pause} the usage {disfmarker} Maybe we can give them a li {pause} like a little map ? with the regions and they just {disfmarker} No , I 'm serious .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's not bad . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Because it takes less time , and it 's sort of cute",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "i at this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in that side {disfmarker} in that side of the {disfmarker} the paper .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "there 's no figure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well just a little {disfmarker} You know , it doesn't have all the detail , but you sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But what if you moved five times and {disfmarker} and uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I was thinking you could have ma multiple ones and then the amount of time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No , but you 're categorized . That 's the same {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so , roughly . So . You could say , {pause} you know \" ten years {pause} on the east coast , five years on the west coast \" or something or other .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , We {disfmarker} I think we don't want to get that level of detail at this form . I think that 's alright if we want to follow up . But .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I guess we don't really know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean I {disfmarker} As I said , I don't think there 's a huge {pause} benefit to this region thing . It {disfmarker} it gets {disfmarker} The problem is that for some things it 's really clear and usually listening to {comment} it you can tell right away if it 's a New York or Boston accent , but New York and Boston are two {disfmarker} well , I guess they have the NYC , but New England has a bunch of very different dialects and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} so does um S So do other places .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I picked these regions cuz we had talked about TIMIT , and those are right from TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . And so these would be {pause} satisfying like a speech {pause} research {pause} community if we released the database ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but as to whether subjects know where they 're from , I 'm not sure because um I know that they had to fill this out for Switchboard . This is i almost exactly the same as Switchboard regions",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "or very close . Yeah . Um And I don't know how they filled that out . But th if Midland {disfmarker} Yeah , Midland is the one that 's difficult I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think a lot of people {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Also Northwest you 've got Oreg - Washington and Oregon now which uh y people don't know if it 's western or northern .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I certainly don't . I mean , I was saying I don't even know what I speak .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's like Northwest",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Am I speaking {disfmarker} Am I speaking Western ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , what is Northern ? Well and what {disfmarker} and what 's Northern ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think originally it was North {disfmarker} Northwest",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Northwest ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so this is a real problem . I don't know what to do about it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either . And {disfmarker} and so I would think {disfmarker} I would say , I 've {disfmarker} I 've got a mix of California and Ohio .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I c I think at the first level , for example , we speak the same .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "our {disfmarker} our dialects Or {pause} whatever you {disfmarker} region are the same .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But I don't know what it is . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you have a like techno - speak accent I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "a techno - speak accent ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you know ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "A techno",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "A {disfmarker} a geek region ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's {disfmarker} I mean I {disfmarker} you can sort of identify",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Geek region .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "it f It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not that that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is different . Is different .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but maybe that {disfmarker} maybe we could leave this and see what people {disfmarker} See what people choose and then um let them just fill in if they don't {disfmarker} I mean I don't know what else we can do , cuz {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That 's North Midland .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm wondering about a question like , \" Where are you from mostly ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I 'm s I 'm {disfmarker} now that you mentioned it though , I am {disfmarker} really am confused by \" Northern \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I really am .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if {disfmarker} if you 're {pause} in New England , that 's North .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "If you 're {disfmarker} i if you 're",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Scandinavian , the Minnesota area 's north .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah . That 's {disfmarker} But that 's also North Midland ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , @ @ . {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and Oregon and {disfmarker} and Oregon and Washington are {disfmarker} are Western , but they 're also Northern .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Of course , that 's very different from , like , Michigan , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "uh , Idaho ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well there are hardly any subjects from Idaho .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Montana ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No problem .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Just rule them out .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "There 's only a few people in Idaho .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There are hardly any subjects from \" beep \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} Maybe we {disfmarker} Maybe we should put a little map and say \" put an X on where you 're from \" ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} in those {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah really .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We could ask where they 're from .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And if you put {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be pretty simple , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But - We went back to that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If you put eh the state ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well well we sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where are you from mostly ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we went {disfmarker} we went around this and then {pause} a lot of people ended up saying that it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
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"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I like the idea of asking \" what variety of English do you speak \" as opposed to where you 're from Because th if we start asking where we 're from , again you have to start saying , \" well , is that the language you speak or is that just where you 're from ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
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"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Let 's {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean it gives us good information on where they 're from , but that doesn't {comment} tell us anything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
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"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "We could always ask them if they 're from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "well , enough about their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean . So {disfmarker} so I would say Germany",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know am I speaking with German accent",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , see , I 'm thinking \" Where are you from mostly \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "because , you know , then you have some {disfmarker} some kind of subjective amount of time factored into it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah , I guess I could try to put {disfmarker} squeeze in a little map .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean there 's not a lot of r of room",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "I 'd say , uh , \" Boston , New York City , the South and Regular \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think of those , Northern is the only one that I don't even know what they 're meaning .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um {pause} And usually here {disfmarker} people here know what is their kind of mmm lang English language ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's a joke . That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So let 's make it up . S I mean , who cares . Right ? We can make up our own {disfmarker} So we can say \" Northwest \" , \" Rest of West \" or something . You know . \" West \" and I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ye I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't even {disfmarker} Yeah , exactly . That 's not really a region .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "\" Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So we could take out \" North \" {disfmarker} \" Northern \" .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's exactly what we 're arguing about .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "eh here Is easy for people to know ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} Yeah , w It 's {disfmarker} In {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's harder in America anywhere else , basically .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean some of them are very obvious . If you {disfmarker} if you talk to someone speaking with Southern drawl , you know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "N m Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or Boston .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Or Boston , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I can't do it , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Or Boston ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And those people , if you ask them to self - identify their accent they know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "They know very well .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I agree I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "They know they don't speak the same as the",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But is Boston New England ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And they 're proud of it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
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"content": "day o",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's identity thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And they 're glad to tell you .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "style .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well . Depends who you ask , I suppose .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "W {vocalsound} I guess that 's the problem with these categories .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But that 's why they have New York City but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we ca Well , why can't we just say characterize {disfmarker} something like char characterize your accent",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , Boston 's @ @ , too .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} \" Characterize your accent {pause} if you can . \"",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and so I would say , \" I don't know \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , which probably means you have a very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But someone from Boston with a really strong coloration would know . And so would an R - less Maine {disfmarker} or something ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's actually good .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I was {disfmarker} I was thinking of something along that line",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "How",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "because {pause} if you don't know , then , you know , ruling out the fact that you 're totally {pause} inept or something ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "if somebody doesn't know , it probably means their accent isn't very strong compared to the sort of midwest standard .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} I mean , it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from Texas who was absolutely sure that he didn't have any accent left .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and had {disfmarker} he had a pretty {vocalsound} noticeable drawl .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so . I propose , {pause} take out Northern add , don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {pause} Yeah . I {disfmarker} I would say more {disfmarker} more sweepingly , \" how would you characterize your accent ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you want to change the instructions also not just say region ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think this discussion has made me think that 's s something to consider .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if I {disfmarker} if I read this form , I think they 're going to ask {comment} it {disfmarker} they 're going to answer the same way if you say , \" What 's variety of English do you speak ? Region . \" as if you say \" what variety of region {disfmarker} region {comment} do you speak ? Please characterize your accent ? \" They 're going to answer the same way .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I guess {disfmarker} Well , I was not sure that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . I was suggesting not having the options , just having them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well what we talked about with that is {pause} is so that they would understand the granularity .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , but if , as Liz is suggesting , people who have strong accents know that they do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's what I had before , and you told me to list the regions to list them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and are {disfmarker} Well , I know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Each {disfmarker} each one has pros and cons",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah last week {disfmarker} last week I was sort of r arguing for having it wide open , but then everybody said \" Oh , no , but then it will be hard to interpret because some people will say Cincinnati and some will say Ohio \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean I had it wide open last week and {disfmarker} and you said TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What if we put in both ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what the \" Other \" is for .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Would people {disfmarker} No , I mean what if we put in both ways of asking them ? So . One is {pause} Region and the another one is \" if you had to characterize yourself {disfmarker} your accent , what would you say ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Won't they answer the same thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well they might only answer only one of the questions but if",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "They might say \" Other \" for Region because they don't know what category to use",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but they might have something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "because it is easier to have it open ended .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It just {disfmarker} And we {disfmarker} we might learn from what they say , as to which one 's a better {comment} way to ask it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "W This is just a small thing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Cuz I really don't know . ",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but um It says \" Variety \" and then it gives things that e have American as one of the choices . But then it says \" Region \" , but Region actually just applies to uh , US ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's why I put the \" Other \" in .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we thought about it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . We just {disfmarker} We sort of thought , \" yes , {disfmarker} \" y y I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "At the last meeting , my recollection was that {pause} we felt people would have uh less {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that there are so many types and varieties of {pause} these other languages and we are not going to have that many subjects from these different language groups",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and that it 's a huge waste of {disfmarker} of space .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I mean , I {disfmarker} I mean the way I had it last time {pause} was Region was blank ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I thought .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "it just said Region colon .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I think that that 's the best way to do it ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker} because of the problems we 're talking about but what we said last week , was no , put in a list , so I put in a list . So should we go back to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can make the list a little smaller .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , certainly dropping \" Northern \" I think is right , because none of us know what that is .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz , I mean {disfmarker} And keeping \" Other \" , and then {pause} maybe this North Midland , we call it \" North Midwest \" . South {pause} Midwest , or just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think so . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "South Midwest . Does that make sense ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "South Midwest ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That would help me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "U unless you 're from Midland , Kansas .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz {disfmarker} Midland {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know where Midland is",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There 's a {disfmarker} Or Midland {disfmarker} Midland {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is \" Midwest \" one word ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is it Midland {disfmarker} Midland {disfmarker} Midland , Texas or Midland , Kansas ? I forget .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah , one w",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But there 's a town . in {disfmarker} in there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I forget what it is @ @ .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that 's what they mean .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So . Kansas would be {pause} South Midland . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and wouldn't {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And Colorado , right across the border , would be {vocalsound} North Midland .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , th I 'm from Kansas , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Southern Midland . ",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Colora Oh , right . And then , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} dropping North , so it would be Western . It 's just one big shebang , where , of course , you have huge variation in dialects ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But that 's true of New England too .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But you do in the others , too . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {comment} but so do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So . I mean only one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I shouldn't say that . I have no clue . I was going to say the only one that doesn't have a huge variety is New York City . But I have no idea whether it does or not .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It does seem {disfmarker} I mean . I {disfmarker} I would think that these categories would be more {disfmarker} w would be easier for an an analyst to put in rather than the subject himself .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "U",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker} that was what happened with TIMIT , was that it was an analyst .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute . Where does {disfmarker} Where does {disfmarker} {pause} d w Where {disfmarker} Where 's {disfmarker} where does uh {vocalsound} New {disfmarker} New York west of {disfmarker} west of uh New York City and {pause} Pennsylvania {pause} uh and uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't know how it came from .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "New England",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . That 's New England I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "N No , it 's not .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I sort of thought they were part of the {disfmarker} one of the Midlands .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh no . No , no . {pause} No . Pennsylvania is not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "\" Other \" , it goes under \" Other \" , definitely under \" Other \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , Pennsylvania has a pretty strong dialect and it 's totally different than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Pennsylvania {disfmarker} Yeah . Pennsylvania is not New England . and uh New Jersey is not New England and Maryland is not New England and none of those are the South .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So . Another suggestion . Rather than have circle fill in forms , say \" Region , open paren , E G Southern comma Western comma close paren colon . \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK !",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Fine by me , fine by me .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . I like that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sure !",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "We 're all {pause} sufficiently {pause} tired of this that we 're agreeing with you .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's just {disfmarker} And we 'll see what we get .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Be easier on the subjects . I think that 's fine . No . I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I like that . I like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "You like it ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , maybe we do one non - English one as well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Southern , Cockney ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is that a {pause} real accent ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure , yeah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "How do you spell it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Cockney ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "N E",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "CO {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You could say Liverpool .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Liverpuddlian .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Actually , Liverpool doesn't l Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm s I ha",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well . Well . I mean , pure {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK , we 'll do it that way . Actually , I like that a lot . Because that get 's at both of the things we were trying to do ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the granularity , and the person can just self - assess and we don't have to argue about what these regions are .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . And it 's easy on the subjects .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Now I have one suggestion on the next section .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you have native language , you have region , and then you have time spent in English speaking country . Now , I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying \" which one parenthesis S {comment} paren closed parenthesis \" . Cuz if they spent {pause} time in {disfmarker} in Britain and America {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't have to be ex all {disfmarker} at all exact , just in the same open field format that you have .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yep , just which one . I think that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . with a {disfmarker} with an S",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "\" which one sss , {comment} optional S .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
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"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "We uh {disfmarker} We done ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . um s e Any {disfmarker} any other uh open mike topics or should we go {pause} right to the digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , did you guys get my email on the multitrans ? That {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Isn't that wonderful ! Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . So . I {disfmarker} I have a version also which actually displays all the channels .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent ! Thank you !",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It 's really great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But it 's hideously slow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} this is n Dan 's patches , Dan Ellis 's patches .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} the ones I applied , that you can actually do are Dan 's , because it doesn't slow it down .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "M",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Fantastic !",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Just uses a lot of memory .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So when you say \" slow \" , does that mean to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , the {disfmarker} the one that 's installed is fine . It 's not slow at all . I wrote another version . Which , instead of having the one pane with the one view , It has multiple panes {pause} with the views .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It 's really bad .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} So , it {disfmarker} it 's the redrawing of the w",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a consideration .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "oh uh - huh , w as you move .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "As you play , as you move , as you scroll . Just about anything , and it {disfmarker} it was so slow it was not usable . So that 's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And this 'll be a {disfmarker} hav having the multiwave will be a big help cuz {disfmarker} in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things , that 'll be a big help .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So . I think that the one Dan has is usable enough .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't display the others . It displays just the mixed signal .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But you can listen to any of them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's excellent . He also has version control which is another nice",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "e so you {disfmarker} e the patches that you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No , he suggested that , but he didn't {disfmarker} {pause} It 's not installed .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought it was in one of those patches .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No . No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK . Well . Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So is there any hope for actually displaying the wave form ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , not if we 're going to use Tcl - TK At least not if we 're going to use Snack .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean you would have to do something ourselves .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , or use the one that crawls .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I probably would be trying to use the {disfmarker} {comment} whatever 's there . And it 's useful to have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Why don't we {disfmarker} we see how Dan 's works and if it {disfmarker} If we really need the display {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean . I wonder {disfmarker} I 'm just wondering if we can display things other than the wave form . So . Suppose we have a feature {disfmarker} a feature stream . And it 's just , you know , a {disfmarker} a uni - dimensional feature , varying in time .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And we want to plot that , instead of the whole wave form .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That might be faster .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we could do that but that would mean changing the code .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean this isn't a program we wrote .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This is a program that we got from someone else , and we 've done patches on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , I 'll talk to you about it and we can see",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cou - i e I mean , y",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it 's definitely {pause} great to have the other one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If there was some {disfmarker} Is there some way to {pause} have someone write patches in something faster and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} link it in , or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Not easily .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean y yes we could do that . You could {disfmarker} you can write widgets in C . And try to do it that way but I just don't think {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's try it with Dan 's and if that isn't enough , we can do it otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think it is , cuz when I was playing with it , the mixed signal has it all in there . And so it 's really {disfmarker} It 's not too bad to find places in the {disfmarker} in the stream where things are happening .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll be bad .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And it 's also {disfmarker} also the case that {disfmarker} that uh this multi - wave thing {pause} is proposed to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . Dan proposed it to the Transcriber central people , and it 's likely that uh {disfmarker} So . And {disfmarker} and they responded favorably looks as though it will be incorporated in the future version .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "They said that the only reason they hadn't had the multi the parallel uh stream one before was simply that {pause} they hadn't had time to do it . And uh {pause} so it 's likely that this {disfmarker} this may be entered into the ch this central @ @ .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They may well have not had much demand for it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's true , too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This is a {disfmarker} {pause} a useful thing for us .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So . You mean they could {disfmarker} they could do it and it would be {pause} fast enough if they do it ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Depends on how much work they did .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . No . I just mean {disfmarker} I just mean that it 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that his {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . {pause} This one that we now have does have the status of {pause} potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Now , tha Now , if we develop further then , y uh , I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I think if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if one of us sat down and coded it , so that it could be displayed fast enough I 'm sure they would be quite willing to incorporate it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's a nice feature to have it {disfmarker} set that way . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But it 's not a trivial task .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I just like the idea of it being something that 's , you know , tied back into the original , so that other people can benefit from it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . However . I also understand that you can have {pause} widgets that are very useful for their purpose and that you don't need to always go that w route . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "anyway , shall we do digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Let 's do digits , uh , and then we 'll turn off the mikes , and then I have one other thing to discuss .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I actually have to leave . So . Um . I mean {pause} I had to leave at three thirty ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so I can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , I can wait {pause} for the digits but I can't stay for the discussion",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , you want to go first ? Or .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I c {pause} I have to make a call .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , should we {disfmarker} e should we switch off the g",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 'll talk to you about it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um . No , I can do digits if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} But I don't wanna butt in , or something .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} Alright . You go ahead .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But if there 's something on the rest of the {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'll be around just have to make call before quarter of . So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} Or we can talk about it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ke",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Why don't you read the digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why don't you read the digits and then you can {pause} go .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . {vocalsound} Alright . Oh , this is the new one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , don't {disfmarker} Don't read the old one .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Alright . The {disfmarker} And the time is . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Turn it off .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But wait till he {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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{
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"answer": "The group talked about the ongoing transcription effort and issues related to the Transcriber tool, which despite its limitations for capturing tight time markings for overlapping speech, will continue to remain in use. Speaker mn014 explained his efforts to pre-segment the signal into speech and non-speech portions for facilitating transcriptions. Recording equipment and procedures were discussed, with a focus on audible breathing and the need for standards in microphone wear and use. ",
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{
"answer": "Speaker C’s efforts to detect speech/non-speech portions in the mixed signal (using an HMM-based detector with Gaussian mixtures) have produced pre-segmentations that facilitate the transcription effort.",
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"answer": "Speaker mn014 trained the system to identify speech from loud versus quiet speakers. Such pre-segmentation modifications allow the experimenter to specify the minimum length of speech and silence portions desired, and also facilitate the identification of pauses and utterance boundaries. ",
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"answer": "There is no channel identifier to help in encoding speaker overlaps. Speech uttered while laughing is problematic for ASR. So far, speaker mn005's attempts to detect speaker overlap have been unsuccessful, as it has not been possible to normalize energy as a reliable indicator of overlap.",
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"answer": "The transcriber pool is making quick progress, and may be used in the future to perform other types of coding, e.g. a more detailed analysis of speaker overlap. Transcribers are coding non-speech gestures, such as audible breaths and laughter, both of which are useful for improving recognition results. ",
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"content": "OK . We seem to be recording .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Alright !",
"speaker": "Professor G"
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{
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"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We 're not crashing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Number four .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "not pre - doing everything . The lunch went a little later than I was expecting , Chuck .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Chuck was telling too many jokes , or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Pretty much .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . {vocalsound} Does anybody have an agenda ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I sent a couple of items . They 're {disfmarker} they 're sort of practical .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I thought {pause} somebody had .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if you 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "if {disfmarker} if that 's too practical for what we 're {pause} focused on .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we don't want anything too practical .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we only want th useless things .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , why don't we talk about practical things ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , um , I can {pause} give you an update on the {pause} transcription effort .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , maybe {nonvocalsound} raise the issue of microphone , uh , um procedures with reference to the {pause} cleanliness of the recordings .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK , transcription , uh , microphone issues {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And then maybe {nonvocalsound} ask , th uh , these guys . The {disfmarker} we have great {disfmarker} great , uh , p steps forward in terms of the nonspeech - speech pre - segmenting of the signal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , we have steps forward .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a big improvement .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I would prefer this .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah , well . OK . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We talk about the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the results of",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You have some {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I have a little bit of IRAM stuff",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "use {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but {pause} I 'm not sure if that 's of general interest or not .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , bigram ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "IRAM .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "IRAM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "IRAM .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "IRAM , bigram ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , m maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Bi - Bigram .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , let 's {disfmarker} let 's see where we are at three - thirty .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Since , uh {disfmarker} since I have to leave as usual at three - thirty , can we do the interesting stuff first ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I beg your pardon ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Which is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What 's the interesting stuff ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I beg your pardon ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Th - now you get to tell us what 's the interesting part .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Please specify .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , I guess the work that 's been {pause} done on segmentation would be most {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think that would be a good thing to start with .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , and , um , {vocalsound} the other thing , uh , which I 'll just say very briefly that maybe relates to that a little bit , which is that , um , uh , one of the suggestions that came up in a brief meeting I had the other day when I was in Spain with , uh , Manolo Pardo and {vocalsound} Javier , uh , Ferreiros , who was {pause} here before , was , um , why not start with what they had before but add in the non - silence boundaries . So , in what Javier did before when they were doing , um {disfmarker} h he was looking for , uh , speaker change {pause} points .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um . As a simplification , he originally did this only using {pause} silence as , uh , a {pause} putative , uh , speaker change point .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , he did not , say , look at points where you were changing broad sp uh , phonetic class , for instance . And for Broadcast News , that was fine . Here obviously it 's not .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , um , so one of the things that they were pushing in d in discussing with me is , um , w why are you spending so much time , uh , on the , uh , feature issue , uh , when perhaps if you sort of deal with what you were using before",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then just broadened it a bit , instead of just ta using silence as putative change point also {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So then you 've got {disfmarker} you already have the super - structure with Gaussians and H - you know , simple H M Ms and so forth . And you {disfmarker} you might {disfmarker} So there was a {disfmarker} there was a little bit of a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a difference of opinion because I {disfmarker} I thought that it was {disfmarker} it 's interesting to look at what features are useful .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , on the other hand I saw that the {disfmarker} they had a good point that , uh , if we had something that worked for many cases before , maybe starting from there a little bit {disfmarker} Because ultimately we 're gonna end up {vocalsound} with some s su kind of structure like that ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "where you have some kind of simple HMM and you 're testing the hypothesis that , {vocalsound} uh , there is a change .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so anyway , I just {disfmarker} reporting that .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , uh {disfmarker} So . Yeah , why don't we do the speech - nonspeech discussion ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Do {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hear {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Speech - nonspeech ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Um , so , uh , what we basically did so far was using the mixed file to {disfmarker} to detect s speech or nonspeech {pause} portions in that .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And what I did so far is I just used our old Munich system , which is an HMM - ba based system with Gaussian mixtures for s speech and nonspeech . And it was a system which used only one Gaussian for silence and one Gaussian for speech . And now I added , uh , multi - mixture possibility for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for speech and nonspeech .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And I did some training on {disfmarker} on one dialogue , which was transcribed by {disfmarker} Yeah . We {disfmarker} we did a nons s speech - nonspeech transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Jose .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that . And I did some pre - segmentations for {disfmarker} for Jane . And I 'm not sure how good they are or what {disfmarker} what the transcribers say . They {disfmarker} they can use it or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , they {disfmarker} they think it 's a terrific improvement . And , um , it real it just makes a {disfmarker} a world of difference .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there {nonvocalsound} was , uh , quiet speakers in the mix .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , yeah . That {disfmarker} that was one {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for {disfmarker} for the speech . So I saw that there were loud {disfmarker} loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And so I did two mixtures , one for the loud speakers and one for the quiet speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And did you hand - label who was loud and who was quiet , or did you just {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I did that for {disfmarker} for five minutes of one dialogue",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and that was enough to {disfmarker} to train the system .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "W What {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so it {disfmarker} it adapts , uh , on {disfmarker} while running . So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What kind of , uh , front - end processing did you do ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just our {disfmarker} our old Munich , uh , loudness - based spectrum on mel scale twenty {disfmarker} twenty critical bands and then loudness .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And four additional features , which is energy , loudness , modified loudness , and zero crossing rate . So it 's twenty - four {disfmarker} twenty - four features .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And you also provided me with several different versions ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "which I compared .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so you change {nonvocalsound} parameters . What {disfmarker} do you wanna say something about the parameters {nonvocalsound} that you change ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You can specify {vocalsound} the minimum length of speech or {disfmarker} and silence portions which you want . And so I did some {disfmarker} some modifications in those parameters , basically changing the minimum {disfmarker} minimum {pause} length for s for silence to have , er to have , um {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} to have more or less , uh , silence portions in inserted . So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right . So this would work well for , uh , pauses and utterance boundaries and things like that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But for overlap I imagine that doesn't work at all ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that you 'll have plenty of s sections that are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's true . But {nonvocalsound} it {disfmarker} it saves so much time {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {nonvocalsound} transcribers",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "just enormous , enormous savings . Fantastic .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great . Um , just qu one quickly , uh , still on the features . So {vocalsound} you have these twenty - four features .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , a lot of them are spectral features . Is there a {disfmarker} a transformation , uh , like principal components transformation or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It was IS two .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No . W w we {disfmarker} originally we did that",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "but we saw , uh , when we used it , uh , f for our close - talking microphone , which {disfmarker} yeah , for our {disfmarker} for our recognizer in Munich {disfmarker} we saw that w it 's {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not so necessary . It {disfmarker} it works as well f with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} without , uh , a LDA or something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . No , I was j {pause} curious .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't think it 's a big deal for this application ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK . But then there 's another thing that also Thilo 's involved with , which is , um {disfmarker} OK , and {disfmarker} and also Da - Dave Gelbart . So there 's this {disfmarker} this problem of {disfmarker} and w and {disfmarker} so we had this meeting . Th - the {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} also Adam , before the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} before you went away . Uh we , um {disfmarker} regarding the representation {nonvocalsound} of overlaps , because at present , {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} um , because {nonvocalsound} of the limitations of {vocalsound} th the interface we 're using , overlaps are , uh , not being {nonvocalsound} encoded by {nonvocalsound} the transcribers in as complete {nonvocalsound} and , uh , detailed a way as it might be , and as might be desired {disfmarker} I think would be desired in the corpus ultimately .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So we don't have start and end points {nonvocalsound} at each point where there 's an overlap . We just have the {disfmarker} the {nonvocalsound} overlaps {nonvocalsound} encoded in a simple bin . Well , OK . So {nonvocalsound} @ @ the limits of the {nonvocalsound} over of {disfmarker} of the interface are {vocalsound} such that we were {disfmarker} at this meeting we were entertaining how we might either expand {nonvocalsound} the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} interface or find other tools which already {pause} do what would be useful . Because what would ultimately be , um , ideal in my {disfmarker} my view and I think {disfmarker} I mean , I had the sense that it was consensus , is that , um , a thorough - going musical score notation would be {nonvocalsound} the best way to go . Because {nonvocalsound} you can have multiple channels , there 's a single time - line , it 's very clear , flexible , and all those nice things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , um , um , I spoke {disfmarker} I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} and he had , uh , excellent ideas on how {pause} the interface could be {pause} modified to {disfmarker} to do this kind of representation . But , um , he {disfmarker} in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already , um , existing interfaces which might already have these properties . So , do you wanna say something about that ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Um , I {vocalsound} talked with , uh , Munich guys from {disfmarker} from Ludwi - Ludwig Maximilians University , who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And they basically said they have {disfmarker} they have , uh , a tool they developed {pause} themselves and they can't give away , uh , f it 's too error - prone , and had {disfmarker} it 's not supported , a a a and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But , um , Susanne Bur - Burger , who is at se CMU , he wa who was formally at {disfmarker} in Munich and w and is now at {disfmarker} with CMU , she said she has something which she uses to do eight channels , uh , trans transliterations , eight channels simultaneously ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "but it 's running under Windows .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Under Windows .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm not sure if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if we can use it .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "She said she would give it to us .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't be a problem . And I 've got some {disfmarker} some kind of manual {pause} down in my office .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe we should get it and if it 's good enough we 'll arrange Windows machines to be available .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . We could {disfmarker} uh , potentially {nonvocalsound} so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I also wanted to be sure {disfmarker} I mean , I 've {disfmarker} I 've seen the {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is called Praat , PRAAT , {nonvocalsound} which I guess means spee speech in Dutch or something .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but then I 'm not sure {pause} that 's the right thing for us .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} In terms {nonvocalsound} of it being {nonvocalsound} Windows {nonvocalsound} versus {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No , no . Praat isn't {disfmarker} Praat 's multi - platform .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But I 'm just wondering , is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "No . No , Praat {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . So Praat may not be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 's not Praat . It 's called \" trans transedit \" {pause} I think .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a different one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the tool from {disfmarker} from Susanne .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see . Oh , I see . OK . OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The other thing , uh , to keep in mind , uh {disfmarker} I mean , we 've been very concerned to get all this rolling so that we would actually have data ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "but , um , I think our outside sponsor is actually gonna kick in",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and ultimately that path will be smoothed out . So I don't know if we have a long - term need to do lots and lots of transcribing . I think we had a very quick need to get something out and we 'd like to be able to do some later because just it 's inter it 's interesting . But as far a you know , uh , with {disfmarker} with any luck we 'll be able to wind down the larger project .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But you s",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What our decision was is that {pause} we 'll go ahead with what we have with a not very fine time scale on the overlaps .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and do what we can later {pause} to clean that up if we need to .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I was just thinking that , um , {vocalsound} if it were possible to bring that in , like , {vocalsound} you know , this week , then {nonvocalsound} when they 're encoding the overlaps {nonvocalsound} it would be nice for them to be able to specify when {disfmarker} you know , the start points and end points of overlaps .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "uh Th - they 're {nonvocalsound} making really quick progress .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , um , so my {disfmarker} my goal was {disfmarker} w m my charge was to get eleven hours by the end of the month . And it 'll be {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm clear that we 'll be able to do that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And did you , uh , forward Morgan Brian 's {pause} thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I sent {nonvocalsound} it to , um {disfmarker} who did I send that to ? I sent it to a list and I thought {nonvocalsound} I sent it to {nonvocalsound} the {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} e to the local list .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Meeting Recorder .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you did ? OK . So you probably did get that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You saw that ? So Brian did tell {nonvocalsound} me that {nonvocalsound} in fact what you said , that , {nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} that {nonvocalsound} our {disfmarker} that they are {pause} making progress and that he 's going {disfmarker} that {nonvocalsound} they 're {nonvocalsound} going {disfmarker} he 's gonna check the f the output of the first transcription and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , basically it 's {disfmarker} it 's all the difference in the world . I mean , basically he 's {disfmarker} he 's on it now .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's {disfmarker} this is a new development .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so this is {disfmarker} so i it 'll happen .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Super . Super . OK . Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , basically it 's just saying that one of our {disfmarker} one of our best people is on it ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "you know , who just doesn't happen to be here anymore . Someone else pays him . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But about the need for transcription ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Isn't that great ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , don't we {disfmarker} didn't we previously {vocalsound} decide that the {pause} IBM {pause} transcripts would have to be {pause} checked anyway and possibly augmented ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yes . That 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So , I think having a good tool is worth something no matter what .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . S OK . That 's {disfmarker} that 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and Dave Gelbart did volunteer ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and since he 's not here , I 'll repeat it {disfmarker} to at least modify Transcriber , which , if we don't have something else that works , I think that 's a pretty good way of going .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And we discussed on some methods to do it . My approach originally , and I 've already hacked on it a little bit {disfmarker} it was too slow because I was trying to display all the waveforms . But he pointed out that you don't really have to . I think that 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That if you just display the mix waveform and then have a user interface for editing the different channels , that 's perfectly sufficient .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . And just keep those {nonvocalsound} things separate . And {disfmarker} and , um , Dan Ellis 's hack already allows them to be {nonvocalsound} able to display {vocalsound} different {nonvocalsound} waveforms to clarify overlaps and things ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "No . They can only display one ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so that 's already {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "but they can listen to different ones .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes , but {disfmarker} Well , {vocalsound} uh , yes , but {nonvocalsound} what I mean is {pause} that , uh , from the transcriber 's {nonvocalsound} perspective , uh , those {nonvocalsound} two functions are separate . And Dan Ellis 's hack handles the , {vocalsound} um , choice {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} the ability to choose different waveforms {vocalsound} from moment to moment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But only to listen to , not to look at .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The waveform you 're looking at doesn't change .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {nonvocalsound} that 's {disfmarker} that 's OK , cuz they 're {disfmarker} they 're , you know , they 're focused on the ear anyway .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} and then",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "the hack to {vocalsound} preserve the overlaps {nonvocalsound} better would be one which creates different output files for each channel ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "which then {nonvocalsound} would also serve Liz 's request {pause} of having , you know , a single channel , separable , uh , cleanly , easily separable ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "uh , transcript tied to a single channel , uh , audio .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Have , uh , folks from NIST been in contact with you ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Not directly . I 'm trying to think if {disfmarker} if I could have gotten it over a list .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} I don't think so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , holidays may have interrupted things , cuz in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} They {vocalsound} seem to want to {pause} get absolutely clear on standards for {disfmarker} transcription standards and so forth with {disfmarker} with us .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! This was from before December . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Because they 're {disfmarker} they 're presumably going to start recording next month .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we should definitely get with them then ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and agree upon a format . Though I don't remember email on that . So was I not in the loop on that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah , I don't think I mailed anybody . I just think I told them to contact Jane {disfmarker} that , uh , if they had a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "if , uh {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that , uh , as the point person on it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Just , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah . Maybe I 'll , uh , ping them a little bit about it to {vocalsound} get that straight .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . I 'm keeping the conventions {pause} absolutely {pause} as simple {nonvocalsound} as possible .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So is it {disfmarker} cuz with any luck there 'll actually be a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} there 'll be collections at Columbia , collections at {disfmarker} at UW {disfmarker} I mean Dan {disfmarker} Dan is very interested in doing some other things ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think it 's important both for the notation and the machine representation to be the same .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and collections at NIST . So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "N there was also this , {nonvocalsound} uh , email from Dan regarding the {pause} speech - non nonspeech segmentation thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if , uh , uh , we wanna , uh {disfmarker} and Dan Gel - and Dave Gelbart is interested in pursuing the aspect {nonvocalsound} of using amplitude {nonvocalsound} as a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} as a basis for the separation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Cross - correlation .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . He was talking {disfmarker} he was talking {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we {disfmarker} he had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Cross",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cross - correlation .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Cross",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I had mentioned this a couple times before , the c the commercial devices that do , uh , {vocalsound} uh , voice , uh {disfmarker} you know , active miking ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "basically look at the amp at the energy at each of the mikes . And {disfmarker} and you basically compare the energy here to {vocalsound} some function of all of the mikes .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So , by doing that , you know , rather than setting any , uh , absolute threshold , you actually can do pretty good , uh , selection of who {disfmarker} who 's talking .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} And those {disfmarker} those systems work very well , by the way , I mean , so people use them in {vocalsound} panel discussions and so forth with sound reinforcement differing in {disfmarker} in sort of ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} and , uh , those {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} Boy , the guy I knew who built them , built them like twenty {disfmarker} twenty years ago ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so they 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the techniques work pretty well .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Fantastic . Cuz there is one thing that we don't have right now and that is the automatic , um , channel identifier .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that , you know , that would g help in terms of encoding of overlaps .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the transcribers would have less , uh , disentangling to do {pause} if that were available .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think , you know , basically you can look at some {disfmarker} p you have to play around a little bit , uh , to figure out what the right statistic is ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "but you compare each microphone to some statistic based on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the overall {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and we also have these {disfmarker} we have the advantage of having {pause} distant mikes too . So that , you cou yo",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , although the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} using the close - talking I think would be much better . Wouldn't it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Um . I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker} it 'd be {disfmarker} If I was actually working on it , I 'd sit there and {disfmarker} and play around with it , and {disfmarker} and get a feeling for it . I mean , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} But , uh , you certainly wanna use the close - talking , as a {disfmarker} at least .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if the other would {disfmarker} would add some other helpful dimension or not .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK . What {disfmarker} what are the different , uh , classes to {disfmarker} to code , uh , the {disfmarker} the overlap , you will use ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , to code d",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "What you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so types of overlap ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , so {nonvocalsound} at a meeting that wasn't transcribed , we worked up a {disfmarker} a typology .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Look like , uh , you t you explaining in the blackboard ? The {disfmarker} ? Yeah ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , exactly . That hasn't changed . So it {nonvocalsound} i the {disfmarker} it 's basically a two - tiered structure where the first one is whether {nonvocalsound} the person who 's interrupted continues or not . And then below that there 're {nonvocalsound} subcategories , uh , that have more to do with , {nonvocalsound} you know , is it , {vocalsound} uh , simply {nonvocalsound} backchannel",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or is {nonvocalsound} it , um , someone completing someone else 's thought , or is it someone in introducing a new thought .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right . And I hope that if we do a forced alignment with the close - talking mike , that will be enough to recover at least some of the time the time information of when the overlap occurred .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , {vocalsound} one would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We hope .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Who knows ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be {disfmarker} that 'd be nice . I mean , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So who 's gonna do that ? Who 's gonna do forced alignment ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , u uh , IBM was going to . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and I imagine they still plan to but {disfmarker} but , you know , I haven't spoken with them about that recently .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , my suggestion now is {disfmarker} is on all of these things to , uh , contact Brian .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . I 'll do that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is wonderful {nonvocalsound} to have a direct contact like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "uh Well , th lemme ask {nonvocalsound} you this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It occurs to me {disfmarker} {vocalsound} one of my transcribers t {nonvocalsound} told {nonvocalsound} me today that she 'll {nonvocalsound} be finished with one meeting , {vocalsound} um , by {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "well , she said tomorrow but then she said {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} you know , but {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} the , you know {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's just , uh , say",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "maybe the day after just to be s on the safe side . I could send Brian the , {nonvocalsound} um {disfmarker} the {nonvocalsound} transcript . I know these {nonvocalsound} are {disfmarker} er , uh , I could send him that {nonvocalsound} if {nonvocalsound} it would be possible , {nonvocalsound} or a good idea or not , to {nonvocalsound} try {nonvocalsound} to do a s forced alignment on what we 're {disfmarker} on the way we 're encoding overlaps now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , just talk to him about it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you know , basically he 's {disfmarker} he just studies , he 's a colleague , a friend , and ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "uh , they {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , you know , the {disfmarker} the organization always did wanna help us .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Super . Super .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It was just a question of getting , you know , the right people connected in , who had the time .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Is he on the mailing list ? The Meeting Recorder mailing li ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We should add him .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know for sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Did something happen , Morgan , that he got put on this , or was he already on it ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Add him .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , I , eh , eh , p It {disfmarker} it oc I {disfmarker} h it 's {disfmarker} Yeah , something happened . I don't know what .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "He asked for more work .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But he 's on it now .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That would be {nonvocalsound} like {disfmarker} that 'd be like him . He 's great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , uh , where are we ? Maybe , uh , uh , brief {disfmarker} Well , let 's {disfmarker} why don't we talk about microphone issues ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 'd be great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker} that was a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um , so one thing is that I did look on Sony 's for a replacement for the mikes {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for the head m head - worn ones cuz they 're so uncomfortable . But I think I need someone who knows more about mikes than I do , because I couldn't find a single other model that seemed like it would fit the connector , which seems really unlikely to me . Does anyone , like , know stores or {vocalsound} know about mikes who {disfmarker} who would know the right questions to ask ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I probably would . I mean , my knowledge is twenty years out of date but some of it 's still the same .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Uh , so maybe we c we can take a look at that .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "You couldn't {disfmarker} you couldn't find the right connector to go into these things ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep . When I looked , i they listed one microphone and that 's it",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Huh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "as having that type of connector . But my guess is that Sony maybe uses a different number for their connector than everyone else does . And {disfmarker} and so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , let 's look at it together",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "it seems {disfmarker} it seems really unlikely to me that there 's only one .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And there 's no adaptor for it ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Seems like there 'd be a {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "As I said , who knows ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Who {disfmarker} who are we buying these from ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I have it downstairs . I don't remember off the top of my head .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Yeah . We {disfmarker} we can try and look at that together .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh {disfmarker} just in terms of how you wear them {disfmarker} I mean , I had thought about this before . I mean , when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when you use a product like DragonDictate , they have a very extensive description about how to wear the microphone and so on .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But I felt that in a real situation we were very seldom gonna get people to really do it and maybe it wasn't worth concentrating on . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think that that 's {disfmarker} that 's a good back - off position . That 's what I was saying {vocalsound} earlier , th that , you know , we are gonna get some {vocalsound} recordings that are imperfect and , hey , that 's life . But I {disfmarker} I think that it {disfmarker} it doesn't hurt , uh , the naturalness of the situation to try to have people {pause} wear the microphones properly , if possible ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because , {vocalsound} um , the natural situation is really what we have with the microphones on the table .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh . That 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think , {vocalsound} you know , in the target applications that we 're talking about , people aren't gonna be wearing head - mounted mikes anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So this is just for u these head - mounted mikes are just for use with research .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , it 's gonna make {disfmarker} You know , if {disfmarker} if An - Andreas plays around with language modeling , he 's not gonna be m wanna be messed up by people breathing into the microphone .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'll dig through the documentation to DragonDictate and ste s see if they still have the little {pause} form .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But it does happen .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , and any {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It 's interesting , uh , I talked to some IBM guys , uh , last January , I think , I was there . And {disfmarker} so people who were working on the {disfmarker} on their ViaVoice dictation product .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And they said , uh , the breathing is really a {disfmarker} a terrible problem {pause} for them , to {disfmarker} to not recognize breathing as speech .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So , anything to reduce breathing is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is a good thing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's the {disfmarker} It seemed to me when I was using Dragon that it was really microphone placement helped an {disfmarker} in , uh {disfmarker} an enormous amount .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So you want it enough to the side so that when you exhale through your nose , it doesn't {disfmarker} the wind doesn't hit the mike .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh {disfmarker} Everyone 's adjusting their microphones , of course . And then just close enough so that you get good volume . So you know , wearing it right about here seems to be about the right way to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I remember when I was {disfmarker} when I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I used , uh , um , {vocalsound} a prominent laboratory 's , uh , uh , speech recognizer about , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} This was , boy , this was a while ago , this was about twelve {disfmarker} twelve years ago or something . And , um , they were {disfmarker} they were perturbed with me because I was breathing in instead of breathing out . And they had models for {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they had Markov models for br breathing out but they didn't have them for breathing in .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting . Well , what I wondered is whether it 's possible to have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to maybe use the display at the beginning",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "to be able to {disfmarker} to judge how {disfmarker} how correctly {disfmarker} I mean , have someone do some routine whatever , and {disfmarker} and then see if when they 're breathing it 's showing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , when {disfmarker} when it 's on , you can see it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if the {disfmarker} if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "You can definitely see it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Can you see the breathing ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And so , you know , I 've {disfmarker} I 've sat here and watched sometimes the breathing ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and the bar going up and down , and I 'm thinking , I could say something , but",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I don't want to make people self - conscious . Stop breathing !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it 's going to be imperfect .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "You 're not gonna get it perfect . And you can do some , uh , you know , first - order thing about it , which is to have people move it , uh , uh , a away from being just directly in front of the middle",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "but not too far away .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , i",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And then , you know , I think there 's not much {disfmarker} Because you can't al you know , interfere w you can't fine tune the meeting that much , I think .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's true . It just seems like i if something l simple like that can be tweaked {vocalsound} and the quality goes , you know , uh , dramatically up , then it might be worth {pause} doing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And then also {disfmarker} the position of the mike also . If it 's more directly , you 'll get better volume . So {disfmarker} so , like , yours is pretty far down {pause} below your mouth . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . My {disfmarker} my feedback from the transcribers is he is always close to crystal clear and {disfmarker} and just fan fantastic to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I don't know why that is .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , you {disfmarker} Yeah , of course . You 're {disfmarker} you 're also {disfmarker} uh , your volume is {disfmarker} is greater . But {disfmarker} but still , I mean , they {disfmarker} they say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I 've been eating a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I it makes their {disfmarker} their job extremely easy .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And then there 's mass .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I could say something about {disfmarker} about the {disfmarker} Well , I don't know what you wanna do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "About what ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "About the transcribers or anything or {disfmarker} ? I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , just to {disfmarker} to , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "why don't we do that ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "One more remark , uh , concerning the SRI recognizer . Um . It is useful to transcribe and then ultimately train models for things like breath , and also laughter is very , very frequent and important to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to model .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "if you can in your transcripts mark {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "mark them ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "mark very audible breaths and laughter especially ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They are .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They 're putting {disfmarker} Eh , so in curly brackets they put \" inhale \" or \" breath \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} and then in curly brackets they say \" laughter \" . Now they 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they 're not being {pause} awfully precise , uh , m So they 're two types of laughter that are not being distinguished .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "One is {vocalsound} when sometimes s someone will start laughing when they 're in the middle of a sentence .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then the other one is when they finish the sentence and then they laugh . So , um , I {disfmarker} I did s I did some double checking to look through {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} you 'd need to have extra e extra complications , like time tags indicating the beginning and ending of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of the laughing through the utterance .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It 's not so {disfmarker} I don't think it 's , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} and what they 're doing is in both cases just saying \" curly brackets laughing \" a after the unit .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "As {disfmarker} as long as there is an indication that there was laughter somewhere between {pause} two words {vocalsound} I think that 's sufficient ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Good . Oh !",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Against {disfmarker} they could do forced alignment .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "because actually the recognition of laughter once you kn um {disfmarker} you know , is pretty good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So as long as you can stick a {disfmarker} you know , a t a tag in there that {disfmarker} that indicates that there was laughter ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I didn't know that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "that would probably be , uh , sufficient to train models .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That would be a really interesting {pause} prosodic feature ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And let me ask y and I gotta ask you one thing about that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "when {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , um , if they laugh between two words , you {disfmarker} you 'd get it in between the two words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But if they laugh across three or four words you {disfmarker} you get it after those four words . Does that matter ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , the thing that you {disfmarker} is hard to deal with is whe {vocalsound} when they speak while laughing . Um , and that 's , uh {disfmarker} I don't think that we can do very well with that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , um , that 's not as frequent as just laughing between speaking ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So are {disfmarker} do you treat breath and laughter as phonetically , or as word models , or what ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh is it ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Huh . I {disfmarker} I think it 's frequent in {disfmarker} in the meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think he 's right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We tried both . Uh , currently , um , we use special words . There was a {disfmarker} there 's actually a word for {disfmarker} uh , it 's not just breathing but all kinds of mouth {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mouth stuff ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh , mouth {disfmarker} mouth stuff . And then laughter is a {disfmarker} is a special word .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "How would we do that with the hybrid system ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Same thing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So train a phone {pause} in the neural net ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Same thing ? Yeah . Yeah . You ha Oh . And each of these words has a dedicated phone .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it does ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} the mouth noise , uh , word has just a single phone , um , that is for that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So in the hybrid system we could train the net with a laughter phone and a breath sound phone .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's always the same thing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , you could {disfmarker} you could say well , let {disfmarker} we now think that laughter should have three sub sub {vocalsound} sub - units in the {disfmarker} the three states , uh {disfmarker} different states .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then you would have three {disfmarker} I mean , you know , eh , eh , it 's u",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Do whatever you want .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} the pronun the pronunciations {disfmarker} the pronunciations are l are somewhat non - standard .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "They actually are {disfmarker} uh , it 's just a single , s uh , you know , a single phone in the pronunciation , but it has a self - loop on it , so it can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To {pause} go on forever ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "r can go on forever .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And how do you handle it in the language model ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just a {disfmarker} it 's just a word .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's just a word in the language model .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We train it like any other word .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We also tried , {vocalsound} um , absorbing these {disfmarker} uh , both laughter and {disfmarker} and actually also noise , and , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . OK . Anyway . We also tried absorbing that into the pause model {disfmarker} I mean , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the model that {disfmarker} that matches the stuff between words .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , um , it didn't work as well . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huh . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Can you hand me your digit form ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I just wanna mark that you did not read digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Say hi for me .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Good . You {disfmarker} you did get me to thinking about {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm not really sure which is more frequent , whether f f laughing {disfmarker} I think it may be an individual thing . Some people are more prone to laughing when they 're speaking .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I was noticing that with Dan in the one that we , uh {disfmarker} we hand tran hand - segmented ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But I can't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} th he has these little chuckles as he talks .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure it 's very individual . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} one thing that c that we 're not doing , of course , is we 're not claiming to , uh , get {disfmarker} be getting a representation of mankind in these recordings . We have {vocalsound} this very , very tiny sample of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Speech researchers ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , r right .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Speech research .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , who knows . Uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Why don why don't we just {disfmarker} since we 're on this vein , why don't we just continue with , uh , what you were gonna say about the transcriptions",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um , um , the {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm really very for I 'm extremely fortunate with the people who , uh , applied and who are transcribing for us . They {vocalsound} are , um , um , uh really perceptive and very , um {disfmarker} and I 'm not just saying that cuz they might be hearing this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz they 're gonna be transcribing it in a few days .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , they 're super . They 're {disfmarker} the they {disfmarker} very quick .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Turn the mikes off and let 's talk .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know . I am {disfmarker} I 'm serious . They 're just super . So I , um , e you know , I {disfmarker} I brought them in and , um , trained them in pairs because I think people can raise questions {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you know , i i the they think about different things and they think of different {disfmarker} and um , I trained them to , uh , f on about a minute or two of the one that was already transcribed . This also gives me a sense of {disfmarker} You know , I can {disfmarker} I can use that later , with reference to inter - coder reliability kind of issues . But the main thing was to get them used to the conventions and , {vocalsound} you know , the idea of the {disfmarker} th th the size of the unit versus how long it takes to play it back so these {disfmarker} th sort of calibration issues . And then , um , I just set them loose and they 're {disfmarker} they all have e a already background in using computers . They 're , um {disfmarker} they 're trained in linguistics .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Good . Oh , no . Is that good or bad ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "They got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , they they 're very perce they 'll {disfmarker} So one of them said \" well , you know , he really said \" n \" , not really \" and \" ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so what {vocalsound} {disfmarker} what should I do with that ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And I said , \" well for our purposes ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I do have a convention . If it 's an {disfmarker} a noncanonical p \" That one , I think we {disfmarker} you know , with Eric 's work , I sort of figure we {disfmarker} we can just treat that as a variant . But I told them if {disfmarker} if there 's an obvious speech error , uh , like I said in one thing ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and I gave my {disfmarker} my example , like I said , \" microfon \" {pause} in instead of \" microphone \" . Didn't bother {disfmarker} I knew it when I said it . I remember s thinking \" oh , that 's not correctly pronounced \" . But it {disfmarker} but I thought {vocalsound} it 's not worth fixing cuz often when you 're speaking everybody knows what {disfmarker} what you mean .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "You 'll self - repair . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But I have a convention that if it 's obviously a noncanonical pronunciation {disfmarker} a speech error with {disfmarker} you know , wi within the realm of resolution that you can tell in this native English {disfmarker} American English speaker , you know that I didn't mean to say \" microfon . \" Then you 'd put a little tick at the beginning of the word ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and that just signals that , um , this is not standard , and then in curly brackets \" pron {nonvocalsound} error \" . And , um , and other than that , it 's w word level . But , you know , the fact that they noticed , you know , the \" nnn \" . \" He said \" nnn \" , not \" and \" . What shall I do with that ? \" I mean , they 're very perceptive . And {disfmarker} and s several of them are trained in IPA . C they really could do phonetic transcription if {disfmarker} if we wanted them to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , you know , it might be something we 'd wanna do with some , uh , s small subset {pause} of the whole thing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Where were they when {pause} we needed them ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We certainly wouldn't wanna do it with everything .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm also thinking these people are a terrific pool . I mean , if , uh {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I told them that , um , we don't know if this will continue past the end of the month",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and I also {disfmarker} m I think they know that the data p source is limited and I may not be able to keep them employed till the end of the month even , although I hope to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The other thing we could do , actually , uh , is , uh , use them for a more detailed analysis of the overlaps .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Oh , that 'd be so super . They would be so {disfmarker} s so terrific .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , this was something that we were talking about .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We could get a very detailed overlap if they were willing to transcribe each meeting four or five times . Right ? One for each participant . So they could by hand {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's one way to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But I 've been saying the other thing is just go through it for the overlaps .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And with the right in interface {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Given that y and {disfmarker} and do {disfmarker} so instead of doing phonetic , uh , uh , transcription for the whole thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which {vocalsound} we know from the {disfmarker} Steve 's experience with the Switchboard transcription is , you know , very , very time - consuming . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and you know , it took them I don't know how many months to do {disfmarker} to get four hours . And so {vocalsound} that hasn't been really our focus . Uh , we can consider it . But , I mean , the other thing is since we 've been spending so much time thinking about overlaps is {disfmarker} is maybe get a much more detailed analysis of the overlaps .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But anyway , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm open to c our consideration .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't wanna say that by fiat .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm open to every consideration of {vocalsound} what are some other kinds of detailed analysis that would be most useful .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think {vocalsound} this year we {disfmarker} we actually , uh , can do it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} due to @ @ {comment} variations in funding we have {disfmarker} we seem to be doing , uh , very well on m money for this {disfmarker} this year , and {vocalsound} next year we may have {disfmarker} have much less .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} you mean two thousand one ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So I don't wanna hire a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Calendar year or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , calendar year two thousand one .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} uh , it 's {disfmarker} we don't wanna hire a bunch of people , a long - term staff ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Full - time . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "because {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the funding that we 've gotten is sort of a big chunk for this year . But {vocalsound} having {pause} temporary people doing some specific thing that we need is actually a perfect match to that kind of , uh , funding .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then school will start in {disfmarker} in the sixt on the sixteenth .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Some of them will have to cut back their hours at that point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Are they working full - time now , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} Some of them are .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , why do I wouldn't say forty - hour weeks . No . But what I mean is {disfmarker} Oh , I shouldn't say it that way because {nonvocalsound} that does sound like forty - hour weeks . No . I th I {disfmarker} I would say they 're probably {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} they don't have o they don't have other things that are taking away their time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I don't see how someone could do forty hours a week on transcription .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {nonvocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} you can't .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No . You 're right . It 's {disfmarker} i it would be too taxing . But , um , they 're putting {nonvocalsound} in a lot of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I checked them over .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I haven't checked them all , but {pause} just spot - checking . They 're fantastic .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think it would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I remember when we were transcribing BeRP , uh , uh , {vocalsound} uh , Ron Kay , uh , volunteered to {disfmarker} to do some of that . And , he was {disfmarker} the first {disfmarker} first stuff he did was transcribing Chuck . And he 's saying \" You {disfmarker} you know , I always thought Chuck spoke really well . \"",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Well , you know , and I also thought , y Liz has this , eh , you know , and I do also , this {disfmarker} this interest in the types of overlaps that are involved . These people would be {nonvocalsound} great choices for doing coding of that type if we wanted ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We 'd have to mark them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or whatever . So , um .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think it would also be interesting to have , uh , a couple of the meetings have more than one transcriber do ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "cuz I 'm curious about inter - annotator agreement .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . Th - that 'd be {disfmarker} I think that 's a {disfmarker} a good idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "You know , there 's also , the e In my mind , I think A An - Andreas was {pause} leading to this topic , the idea that , um , {vocalsound} we haven't yet seen the {disfmarker} the type of transcript that we get from IBM , and it may just be , you know , pristine . But on the other hand , given the lesser interface {disfmarker} Cuz this is , you know {disfmarker} we 've got a good interface , we 've got great headphones , m um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It could be that they will uh {disfmarker} theirs will end up being a kind of fir first pass or something .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe an elaborate one , cuz again they probably are gonna do these alignments , which will also clear things up .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's true . Al - although you have to s Don't you have to start with a close enough approximation {nonvocalsound} of the {disfmarker} of the verbal part {nonvocalsound} to be able to {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well , tha that 's {disfmarker} that 's debatable .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , so the {disfmarker} so the argument is that if your statistical system is good {vocalsound} it will in fact , uh , clean things up .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So it it 's got its own objective criterion .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , so in principle you could start up with something that was kind of rough {disfmarker} I mean , to give an example of , um , something we used to do , uh , at one point , uh , back {disfmarker} back when Chuck was here in early times , is we would take , um , {vocalsound} da take a word and , uh , have a canonical pronunciation and , uh , if there was five phones in a word , {vocalsound} you 'd break up the word , {vocalsound} uh , into five equal - length pieces which is completely gross .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Wrong .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , th the timing is off {pause} all over the place in just about any word .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But it 's O K . You start off with that and the statistical system then aligns things , and eventually you get something that doesn't really look too bad .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , excellent . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so I think using a {disfmarker} a good {pause} aligner , um , actually can {disfmarker} can help a lot . Um . {vocalsound} But , uh , you know , they both help each other . If you have a {disfmarker} if you have a better starting point , then it helps the aligner . If you have a good alignment , it helps the , uh , th the human in {disfmarker} in taking less time to correct things .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . I guess there 's another aspect , too , and I don't know {disfmarker} uh , this {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} very possibly a different , uh , topic . But , {nonvocalsound} uh , just let me say {pause} with reference to this idea of , um , {vocalsound} higher - order organization within meetings . So like in a {disfmarker} you know , the topics that are covered during a meeting with reference to the other , uh , uses of the data ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "so being able to {pause} find where so - and - so talked about such - and - such , then , um , um {disfmarker} e I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I did sort of a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a rough {pause} pass {nonvocalsound} on encoding , like , episode - like level things on the , uh , transcribed meeting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "already transcribed meeting . And I don't know if , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "where {nonvocalsound} that {disfmarker} i if that 's something that we wanna do with each meeting , sort of like a , um {disfmarker} it 's like a manifest , when you get a box full of stuff , or {disfmarker} or if that 's , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , i I {disfmarker} I don't know what uh , level of detail would be most useful . I don't know i if that 's something that {pause} I should do when I look over it , or if we want someone else to do , or whatever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But this issue of the contents of the meeting in an outline form . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Meaning really isn't my thing . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I think it just {disfmarker} whoever is interested can do that . I mean , so if someone wants to use that data {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We 're running a little short here .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "We , uh , uh , cou trying to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm finished .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "eh , was {disfmarker} p Well , you know , the thing I 'm concerned about is we wanted to do these digits",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and I haven't heard , uh , from Jose yet .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK . What do you want ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We could skip the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We don't have to read digits each time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it {disfmarker} you know , another {disfmarker} another bunch of digits . More data is good .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so I 'd like to do that . But I think , do you , maybe , eh {disfmarker} ? Did you prepare some whole thing you wanted us just to see ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's prepared .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or what was that ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , k Sorry .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , how long a {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's fast , because , uh , I have the results , eh , of the study of different energy without the law length . Eh , um , eh , in the {disfmarker} in the measurement , uh , the average , uh , dividing by the {disfmarker} by the , um , variance . Um , I {disfmarker} th i",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "the other , uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the last w uh , meeting {disfmarker} eh , I don't know if you remain we have problem to {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with {disfmarker} with the parameter {disfmarker} with the representations of parameter , because the {disfmarker} the valleys and the peaks in the signal , eh , look like , eh , it doesn't follow to the {disfmarker} to the energy in the signal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And it was a problem , uh , with the scale .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "With what ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Eh , the scale .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Scale .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Scale .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Eh , and I {disfmarker} I change the scale and we can see the {disfmarker} the variance .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . But the bottom line is it 's still not , uh , separating out very well .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "The distribution {disfmarker} the distribution is {disfmarker} is similar .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's enough then . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean , that there 's no point in going through all of that if that 's the bottom line , really .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , I {disfmarker} I think we have to start {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , there there 's two suggestions , really , which is , uh {disfmarker} what we said before is that ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um , it looks like , at least that you haven't found an obvious way to normalize so that the energy is anything like a reliable , uh , indicator of the overlap .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm still {pause} a little f think that 's a little funny . These things l @ @ seems like there should be ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but you don't want to keep , uh {disfmarker} keep knocking at it if it 's {disfmarker} if you 're not getting any {disfmarker} any result with that . But , I mean , the other things that we talked about is , uh , {vocalsound} pitch - related things and harmonicity - related things ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} which we thought also should be some kind of a reasonable indicator . Um {disfmarker} But , uh , a completely different tack on it wou is the one that was suggested , uh , by your colleagues in Spain ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which is to say , don't worry so much about the , uh , features .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That is to say , use , you know , as {disfmarker} as you 're doing with the speech , uh , nonspeech , use some very general features .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , then , uh , look at it more from the aspect of modeling .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know , have a {disfmarker} have a couple Markov models and {disfmarker} and , uh , try to indi try to determine , you know , w when is th when are you in an overlap , when are you not in an overlap .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And let the , uh , uh , statistical system {pause} determine what 's the right way to look at the data .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I , um , I think it would be interesting to find individual features and put them together . I think that you 'd end up with a better system overall .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But given the limitation in time {vocalsound} and given the fact that Javier 's system already exists {pause} doing this sort of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , but , uh , its main limitation is that , again , it 's only looking at silences which would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "maybe that 's a better place to go .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that , eh , the possibility , eh , can be that , eh , Thilo , eh , working , eh , with a new class , not only , eh , nonspeech and speech , but , eh , in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the speech class ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "dividing , eh , speech , eh , of {disfmarker} from a speaker and overlapping , to try {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to do , eh , eh , a fast {disfmarker} a fast , eh , {vocalsound} experiment to {disfmarker} to prove that , nnn , this fea eh , general feature , {vocalsound} eh , can solve the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the problem ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and wh what {disfmarker} nnn , how far is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , I {disfmarker} I have prepared the {disfmarker} the pitch tracker now .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And I hope the {disfmarker} the next week I will have , eh , some results and we {disfmarker} we will show {disfmarker} we will see , eh , the {disfmarker} the parameter {disfmarker} the pitch , {vocalsound} eh , tracking in {disfmarker} with the program .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , nnn , nnn {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ha - h have you ever looked at the , uh , uh {disfmarker} Javier 's , uh , speech segmenter ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No . No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Maybe m you could , you kn uh show Thilo that .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz again the idea is there {disfmarker} the limitation there again was that he was {disfmarker} he was only using it to look at silence as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a p putative split point between speakers .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But if you included , uh , broadened classes then {pause} in principle maybe you can {pause} cover the overlap cases .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I 'm not too sure if {disfmarker} if we can {pause} really represent {vocalsound} overlap with {disfmarker} with the s {pause} detector I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I used up to now ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} to speech - nonspeech as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . But I think Javier 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "it 's only speech or it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's nonspeech .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I think Javier 's might be able to .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "N n",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't have the same Gaus - uh , H M M modeling ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "which is I think a drawback .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker} sort of has a simple one .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Does it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? It 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} it 's just a {disfmarker} isn't it just a Gaussian",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "for each {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And then {pause} he ch you choose optimal splitting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , it doesn't have {disfmarker} it doesn't have any temporal , uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe I 'm misremembering , but I did not think it had a Markov {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I thought it {disfmarker} Yeah . I gues I guess I don't remember either . Uh . It 's been a while .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , I could have a look at it .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Javier {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You mean Ja - eh , eh , Javier program ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , Javier di doesn't worked with , uh , a Markov {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I didn't think so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "He on only train {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So he 's just {disfmarker} he just computes a Gaussian over potential {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It was only Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And so I {disfmarker} I think it would work fine for detecting overlap .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This is the idea .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It 's just , uh , that i it {disfmarker} he has the two - pass issue that {disfmarker} What he does is , as a first pass he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} p he does , um , a guess at where the divisions might be and he overestimates . And that 's just a data reduction step , so that you 're not trying at every time interval .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so those are the putative {pause} places where he tries .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And right now he 's doing that with silence and that doesn't work with the Meeting Recorder . So if we used another method to get the first pass , I think it would probably work .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Sure . Yeah . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a good method . As long as the len as long the segments are long enough .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's the other problem .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "O - k OK . So let me go back to what you had , though .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The other thing one could do is {disfmarker} Couldn't {disfmarker} I mean , it 's {disfmarker} So you have two categories",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and you have Markov models for each . Couldn't you have a third category ? So you have , uh {disfmarker} you have , {vocalsound} uh , nonspeech , single - person speech , and multiple - person speech ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "He has this on his board actually . Don't you have , like those {disfmarker} those several different {vocalsound} categories on the board ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And then you have a Markov model for each ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I 'm not sure . I {disfmarker} I thought about , uh , adding , uh , uh , another class too . But it 's not too easy , I think , the {disfmarker} the transition between the different class , to model them in {disfmarker} in the system I have now . But it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it could be possible , I think ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "in principle .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , I {disfmarker} This is all pretty gross .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker} th the reason why , uh , I was suggesting originally that we look at features is because I thought , well , we 're doing something we haven't done before ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "we should at least look at the space and understand {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It seems like if two people {disfmarker} two or more people talk at once , it should get louder ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh , and , uh , uh , there should be some discontinuity in pitch contours ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I had the impression .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , there should overall be a , um , smaller proportion of the total energy that is explained by any particular harmonic {pause} sequence in the spectrum .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So those are all things that should be there .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So far , um , uh , Jose has {disfmarker} has been {disfmarker} By the way , I was told I should be calling you Pepe , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "by your friends , but Anyway ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um , uh , the {disfmarker} has {disfmarker} has , uh , been exploring , uh , e largely the energy issue and , um , as with a lot of things , it is not {disfmarker} uh , like this , it 's not as simple as it sounds .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then there 's , you know {disfmarker} Is it energy ? Is it log energy ? Is it LPC residual energy ? Is it {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is it , uh , delta of those things ? Uh , what is it no Obviously , just a simple number {disfmarker} {vocalsound} absolute number isn't gonna work . So {vocalsound} it should be with {disfmarker} compared to what ? Should there be a long window for the {vocalsound} normalizing factor and a short window for what you 're looking at ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or , you know , how b short should they be ? So ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "th he 's been playing around with a lot of these different things and {disfmarker} and so far at least has not come up with {vocalsound} any combination that really gave you an indicator .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I still have a hunch that there 's {disfmarker} it 's in there some place , but it may be {disfmarker} given that you have a limited time here , it {disfmarker} it just may not be the best thing to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to focus on for the remaining of it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . To overrule , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So pitch - related and harmonic - related , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {pause} somewhat more hopeful for it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But it seems like if we just wanna get something to work ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that , uh , their suggestion of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} Th - they were suggesting going to Markov models , uh , but in addition there 's an expansion of what Javier did . And one of those things , looking at the statistical component ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "One .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
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"speaker": "Professor G"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "But this was just very anecdotal sort of thing .",
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"content": "But it 's possible with my segmentation by hand {pause} that we have information about the {disfmarker} the overlapping ,",
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"content": "Right . So if we {disfmarker} if we fed the hand - segmentation to Javier 's and it doesn't work , then we know something 's wrong .",
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"speaker": "Professor G"
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"content": "Yep . Y do you know where his software is ? Have you used it at all ?",
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"content": "Are we on ? We 're on . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Is it on ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Yeah . OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "One , two {disfmarker} u OK .",
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"content": "Why is it so cold in here ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "so , uh , we haven't sent around the agenda . So , i uh , any agenda items anybody has , wants to talk about , what 's going on ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "I c I could talk about the meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Does everyone {disfmarker} has everyone met Don ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "It 's on ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Yeah ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Hello .",
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"content": "OK , agenda item one ,",
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"content": "We went {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "introduce Don . OK , we did that . Uh {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Well , I had a {disfmarker} just a quick question but I know there was discussion of it at a previous meeting that I missed , but just about the {disfmarker} the wish list item of getting good quality close - talking mikes on every speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "OK , so let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} So let 's just do agenda {pause} building right now . OK , so let 's talk about that a bit .",
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"content": "Uh , @ @ tuss close talking mikes , better quality . OK , {vocalsound} uh , we can talk about that . You were gonna {disfmarker} starting to say something ?",
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"content": "Well , you {disfmarker} you , um , already know about the meeting {comment} that 's coming up and I don't know if {disfmarker} if this is appropriate for this . I don't know . I mean , maybe {disfmarker} maybe it 's something we should handle outside of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "No , no , that 's OK .",
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"content": "What meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "We can {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} we can ta so n NIST is {disfmarker} NIST folks are coming by next week",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "and so we can talk about that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "I think",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Who 's coming ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Uh , uh , John Fiscus",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "and , uh , I think George Doddington will be around as well . Uh , OK , so we can talk about that . Uh , I guess just hear about how things are going with , uh , uh , the transcriptions . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Sure . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "That would sorta be an obvious thing to discuss . Um , An - anything else , uh , strike anybody ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Uh , we started {pause} running recognition on {pause} one conversation but it 's the r {pause} isn't working yet . So , But if anyone has {disfmarker}",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Wha",
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"content": "uh , the main thing would be if anyone has , um , knowledge about ways to , uh , post - process the wave forms that would give us better recognition , that would be helpful to know about .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Dome yeah , it sounds like a topic of conversation .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah , so , uh {disfmarker}",
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"content": "What about , uh , is there anything new with the speech , nonspeech stuff ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Yeah , we 're working more on it but , {vocalsound} it 's not finished .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "OK . Alright , that seems like a {disfmarker} a good collection of things . And we 'll undoubtedly think of {pause} other things .",
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"content": "I had thought under my topic that I would mention the , uh , four items that I {disfmarker} I , uh , put out for being on the agenda f on that meeting , which includes like the pre - segmentation and the {disfmarker} and the developments in multitrans .",
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"content": "Oh , under the NIST meeting .",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Alright , why don't we start off with this , u u I guess the order we brought them up seems fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Um , so , better quality close talking mikes . So the one issue was that the {disfmarker} the , uh , lapel mike , uh , isn't as good as you would like . And so , uh , it {disfmarker} it 'd be better if we had close talking mikes for everybody . Right ?",
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"content": "Is that {disfmarker} is that basically the point ?",
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"content": "yeah , the {disfmarker} And actually in addition to that , that the {disfmarker} the close talking mikes are worn in such a way as to best capture the signal . And the reason here is just that for the people doing work not on microphones but on sort of like dialogue and so forth , uh {disfmarker} or and even on prosody , which Don is gonna be working on soon , it adds this extra , you know , vari variable for each speaker to {disfmarker} to deal with when the microphones aren't similar .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "So {disfmarker} And I also talked to Mari this morning and she also had a strong preference for doing that . And in fact she said that that 's useful for them to know in starting to collect their data too .",
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"content": "uh , well one thing I was gonna say was that , um , i we could get more , uh , of the head mounted microphones even beyond the number of radio channels we have because I think whether it 's radio or wire is probably second - order . And the main thing is having the microphone close to you ,",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So it 's towards the corner of your mouth so that breath sounds don't get on it .",
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "And then just sort of about , uh , a thumb or {disfmarker} a thumb and a half away from your {disfmarker} from your mouth .",
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"content": "And this one isn't very adjustable ,",
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Is fixed . Yeah .",
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"content": "But if we could actually standardize , you know , the {disfmarker} the microphones , uh , as much as possible that would be really helpful .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Well , I mean it doesn't hurt to have a few extra microphones around ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "so why don't we just go out and {disfmarker} and get an order of {disfmarker} of if this microphone seems OK to people , uh , I 'd just get a half dozen of these things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Well the onl the only problem with that is right now , um , some of the Jimlets aren't working . The little {disfmarker} the boxes under the table .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "And so , w Uh , I 've only been able to find three jacks that are working .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Can we get these , wireless ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm not sure I 'm follow . Say that again ?",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah , but I mean it 's not just that , it 's also you know you",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's also like n no breathing , no {disfmarker} You know , it 's like it 's {disfmarker} it 's um ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it 's really {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} it makes a big difference from the transcribers ' point of view",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's an advantage when you don't breath .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and also from the research s point of view .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "When we 're doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that the point of doing the close talking mike is to get a good quality signal . We 're not doing research on close talking mikes .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we might as well get it as uniform as we can .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Now , this is locking the barn door after the horse was stolen . We do have thirty hours , of {disfmarker} of speech , which is done this way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That 's OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , uh , yeah , for future ones we can get it a bit more uniform .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Great , great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So I think just do a field trip at some point .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , probably {disfmarker} yeah , to the store we talked about and that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And there was some talk about , uh , maybe the h headphones that are uncomfortable for people , to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So , as {disfmarker} as I said , we 'll do a field trip and see if we can get all of the same mike that 's more comfortable than {disfmarker} than these things , which I think are horrible .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Great , thank you very much .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Especially for people with big heads .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's makes our job a lot easier .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , you know , we 're researchers , so we all have big heads .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , OK , second item was the , uh , NIST visit , and what 's going on there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , so , um , uh , Jonathan Fiscus is coming on the second of February and I 've spoken with , uh , {pause} u u a lot of people here , not everyone . Um , and , um , he expressed an interest in seeing the room and in , um , seeing a demonstration of the modified multitrans , which I 'll mention in a second , and also , um , he was interested in the pre - segmentation and then he 's also interested in the transcription conventions .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} So , um , it seems to me in terms of like , um , i i it wou You know , OK . So the room , it 's things like the audio and c and audi audio and acoustic {disfmarker} acoustic properties of the room and how it {disfmarker} how the recordings are done , and that kind of thing . And , um . OK , in terms of the multi - trans , well that {disfmarker} that 's being modified by Dave Gelbart to , uh , handle multi - channel recording .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I should 've {disfmarker} I was just thinking I should have invited him to this meeting . I forgot to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well that 's OK , I mean we 'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and it 's t and it looks really great . He {disfmarker} he has a prototype . I {disfmarker} I , uh , @ @ {comment} didn't {disfmarker} didn't see it , uh , yesterday but I 'm going to see it today . And , uh , that 's {disfmarker} that will enable us to do {pause} nice um , tight time marking of the beginning and ending of overlapping segments . At present it 's not possible with limitations of {disfmarker} of the , uh , original {pause} design of the software . And um . So , I don't know . In terms of , like , pre - segmentation , that {disfmarker} that continues to be , um , a terrific asset to the {disfmarker} to the transcribers . Do you {disfmarker} I know that you 're al also supplementing it further . Do you want to mention something about that c Thilo , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . What {disfmarker} what I 'm doing right now is I 'm trying to include some information about which channel , uh , there 's some speech in . But that 's not working at the moment . I 'm just trying to do this by comparing energies , uh {disfmarker} normalizing energies and comparing energies of the different channels .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "And so to {disfmarker} to give the transcribers some information in which channel there 's {disfmarker} there 's speech in addition to {disfmarker} to the thing we {disfmarker} we did now which is just , uh , speech - nonspeech detection on the mixed file . So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm relying on {disfmarker} on the segmentation of the mixed file",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "This is good . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "but I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm trying to subdivide the speech portions into different portions if there is some activity in {disfmarker} in different channels .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Excellent , so this 'd be like w e providing also speaker ID {pause} potentially .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful . Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Um , something I guess I didn't put in the list but , uh , on that , uh , same day later on in {disfmarker} or maybe it 's {disfmarker} No , actually {pause} it 's this week , uh , Dave Gelbart and I will be , uh , visiting with John Canny who i you know , is a CS professor ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "who 's interested in ar in array microphones .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "HCC . Oh , he 's doing array mikes .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And so we wanna see what commonality there is here . You know , maybe they 'd wanna stick an array mike here when we 're doing things",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That would be cool .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be neat .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} or maybe it 's {disfmarker} it 's not a specific array microphone they want",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That would be really neat .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but they might wanna just , {disfmarker} uh , you know , you could imagine them taking the four signals from these {disfmarker} these table mikes and trying to do something with them {disfmarker} Um , I also had a discussion {disfmarker} So , w uh , we 'll be over {disfmarker} over there talking with him , um , after class on Friday . Um , we 'll let you know what {disfmarker} what goes with that . Also had a completely unrelated thing . I had a , uh , discussion today with , uh , Birger Kollmeier who 's a , uh , a German , uh , scientist who 's got a fair sized group {vocalsound} doing a range of things . It 's sort of auditory related , largely for hearing aids and so on . But {disfmarker} but , uh , he does stuff with auditory models and he 's very interested in directionality , and location , and {disfmarker} and , uh , head models and {pause} microphone things . And so , uh , he 's {disfmarker} he and possibly a student , there w there 's , uh , a student of his who gave a talk here last year , uh , may come here , uh , in the fall for , uh , sort of a five month , uh , sabbatical . So he might be around . Get him to give some talks and so on . But anyway , he might be interested in {pause} this stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that reminds me , I had a {disfmarker} a thought of an interesting project that somebody could try to do with {pause} the data from here , either using , you know , the {disfmarker} the mikes on the table or using signal energies from the head worn mikes ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and that is to try to construct a map of where people were sitting ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , based on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well Dan {disfmarker} Dan had worked on that . Dan Ellis ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , did he ? Oh , that 's interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So that {disfmarker} that 's the cross - correlation stuff , was {disfmarker} was doing b beam - forming .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so you could plot out who was sitting next to who",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "A little bit ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , he didn't do a very extreme thing but just {disfmarker} it was just sort of",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , he did start on it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "e e given that , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the block of wood with the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the two mikes {comment} on either side ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "if I 'm speaking , or if you 're speaking , or someone over there is speaking , it {disfmarker} if you look at cross - correlation functions , you end up with a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if {disfmarker} if someone who was on the axis between the two is talking , then you {disfmarker} you get a big peak there . And if {disfmarker} if someone 's talking on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on , uh , one side or the other , it goes the other way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it even looks different if th t if the two {disfmarker} two people on either side are talking than if one in the middle . It {disfmarker} it actually looks somewhat different , so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Well I was just thinking , you know , as I was sitting here next to Thilo that um , when he 's talking , my mike probably picks it up better than {pause} your guys 's mikes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So if you just looked at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's another cl cue ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah , {comment} looked at {comment} the energy on my mike and you could get an idea about who 's closest to who .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or who talks the loudest .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well you have to {disfmarker} the appropriate normalizations are tricky , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and are probably the key .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You just search for Adam 's voice on each individual microphone , you pretty much know where everybody 's sitting .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We 've switched positions recently so you can't {disfmarker} Anyway . OK . So those are just a little couple of news items .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask one thing ? Uh , so , um , Jonathan Fiscus expressed an interest in , uh , microphone arrays .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , is there {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} b And I also want to say , his {disfmarker} he can't stay all day . He needs to uh , leave for {disfmarker} uh , from here to make a two forty - five flight",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so just morning .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "from {disfmarker} from Oakland .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it makes the scheduling a little bit tight but do you think that , um {disfmarker} that , uh , i John Canny should be involved in this somehow or not . I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Probably not but I {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll know better after I see him this Friday what {disfmarker} what kind of level he wants to get involved .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's premature . Fine . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , he might be excited to and it might be very appropriate for him to , uh , or he might have no interest whatsoever . I {disfmarker} I just really don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Is he involved in {disfmarker} Ach ! {comment} I 'm blanking on the name of the project . NIST has {disfmarker} has done a big meeting room {disfmarker} instrumented meeting room with video and microphone arrays , and very elaborate software . Is {disfmarker} is he the one working on that ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's what they 're starting up .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I mean , that 's what all this is about . They {disfmarker} they haven't done it yet . They wanted to do it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . I had read some papers that looked like they had already done some work .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well I think they 've instrumented a room but I don't {pause} think they {disfmarker} they haven't started recordings yet . They don't have the t the transcription standards . They don't have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Are they going to do video as well ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think they are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cuz what {disfmarker} what I had read was , uh , they had a uh very large amount of software infrastructure for coordinating all this , both in terms of recording and also live room where you 're interacting {disfmarker} the participants are interacting with the computer , and with the video , and lots of other stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "All {disfmarker} all I know is that they 've been talking to me about a project that they 're going to start up recording people meet in meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , it is related to ours . They were interested in ours . They wanted to get some uniformity with us , uh , about the transcriptions and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And one {disfmarker} one notable difference {disfmarker} u u actually I can't remember whether they were going to routinely collect video or not , but one {disfmarker} one , uh , difference from the audio side was that they are interested in using array mikes . So , um , I mean , I 'll just tell you the party line on that . The reason I didn't go for that here was because , uh , the focus , uh , both of my interest and of Adam 's interest was uh , in impromptu situations . And we 're not recording a bunch of impromptu situations but that 's because it 's different to get data for research than to actually apply it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so , uh , for scientific reasons we thought it was good to instrument this room as we wanted it . But the thing we ultimately wanted to aim at was a situation where you were talking with , uh , one or more other people i uh , in {disfmarker} in an p impromptu way , where you didn't {disfmarker} didn't actually know what the situation was going to be . And therefore it would not {disfmarker} it 'd be highly unlikely that room would be outfitted with {disfmarker} with some very carefully designed array of microphones . Um , so it was only for that reason . It was just , you know , yet another piece of research and it seemed like we had enough troubles just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So there 's no like portable array of mikes ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No . So there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} uh , there 's a whole range of things {disfmarker} there 's a whole array of things , {vocalsound} that people do on this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , um , the , uh {disfmarker} the big arrays , uh , places , uh , like uh , Rutgers , and Brown , and other {disfmarker} other places , uh , they have , uh , big arrays with , I don't know , a hundred {disfmarker} hundred mikes or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Xerox .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And so there 's a wall of mikes . And you get really , really good beam - forming {comment} with that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it 's {disfmarker} and , um , in fact at one point we had a {disfmarker} a proposal in with Rutgers where we were gonna do some of the sort of per channel signal - processing and they were gonna do the multi - channel stuff , but {pause} it d it d we ended up not doing it . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 've seen demonstrations of the microphone arrays . It 's amazing how {disfmarker} how they can cut out noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's r It 's really neat stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then they have little ones too",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And then they had the little ones , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but I mean {disfmarker} but they don't have our block of wood , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , our block of wood is unique .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But the {vocalsound} But the No , there are these commercial things now you can buy that have four mikes or something",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and , uh , um {disfmarker} So , yeah , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's a range of things that people do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so if we connected up with somebody who was interested in doing that sort of thing that 's {disfmarker} that 's a good thing to do . I mean , whenever I 've described this to other people who are interested on the {disfmarker} with the acoustic side that 's invariably the question they ask . Just like someone who is interested in the general dialogue thing will always ask {vocalsound} \" um , are you recording video ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and the acoustic people will always say , \" well are you doing , uh , uh , array microphones ? \" So it 's {disfmarker} it 's a good thing to do , but it doesn't solve the problem of how do you solve things when there 's one mike or at best two mikes in {disfmarker} in this imagined PDA that we have . So maybe {disfmarker} maybe we 'll do some more of it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well one thing I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know . I mean , I know that having an array of {disfmarker} I mean , I would imagine it would be more expensive to have a {disfmarker} an array of microphones . But couldn't you kind of approximate the natural sis situation by just shutting off uh , channels when you 're {disfmarker} later on ? I mean , it seems like if the microphones don't effect each other then couldn't you just , you know , record them with an array and then just not use all the data ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's just a lot of infrastructure that for our particular purpose we felt we didn't need to set up .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if ninety - nine percent of what you 're doing is c is shutting off most of the mikes , then going through the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "But if you get somebody who 's {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who has that as a primary interest then that put {disfmarker} then that drives it in that direction .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right , I mean if someone {disfmarker} if someone came in and said we really want to do it ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we don't care . That would be fine ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So to save that data you {disfmarker} You have to have one channel recording per mike in the array ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Buy more disk space .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , at some level {disfmarker} at some level .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I usually do a mix .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But then , you know , there 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What you save , I mean , if you 're going to do research with it . yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know what they 're going to do and I don't know how big their array is . Obviously if you were gonna save all of those channels for later research you 'd use up a lot of space .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , th",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well their software infrastructure had a very elaborate design for plugging in filters , and mixers , and all sorts of processing . So that they can do stuff in real time and not save out each channel individually .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it was , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , uh , for optimum flexibility later you 'd want to save each channel . But I think in practical situations you would have some engine of some sort doing some processing to reduce this to some {disfmarker} to the equivalent of a single microphone that was very directional .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , oh , OK , I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it seems {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sort of saving the result of the beam - forming .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it seems to me that there 's {disfmarker} you know , there are good political reasons for {disfmarker} for doing this , just getting the data , because there 's a number of sites {disfmarker} like right now SRI is probably gonna invest a lot of internal funding into recording meetings also , which is good , um , but they 'll be recording with video and they 'll be {disfmarker} You know , it 'd be nice if we can have at least , uh , make use of the data that we 're recording as we go since it 's sort of {disfmarker} this is the first site that has really collected these really impromptu meetings , um , and just have this other information available . So , if we can get the investment in just for the infra infrastructure and then , I don't know , save it out or have whoever 's interested save that data out , transfer it there , it 'd be g it 'd be good to have {disfmarker} have the recording . I think .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You mean to {disfmarker} to actually get a microphone array and do that ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , if {disfmarker} Even if we 're not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And video and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure about video . That 's sort of an {disfmarker} video has a little different nature since right n right now we 're all being recorded but we 're not being taped . Um , but it {disfmarker} definitely in the case of microphone arrays , since if there was a community interested in this , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but I think we need a researcher here who 's interested in it . To push it along .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "See the problem is it {disfmarker} it took , uh , uh , it took at least six months for Dan to get together the hardware and the software , and debug stuff in {disfmarker} in the microphones , and in the boxes . And it was a really big deal . And so I think we could get a microphone array in here pretty easily and , uh , have it mixed to {disfmarker} to one channel of some sort .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , e I think for I mean , how we 're gonna decide {disfmarker} For {disfmarker} for maximum flexibility later you really don't want to end up with just one channel that 's pointed in the direction of the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the p the person with the maximum energy or something like that . I mean , you {disfmarker} you want actually to {disfmarker} you want actually to have multiple channels being recorded so that you can {disfmarker} And to do that , it {disfmarker} we 're going to end up greatly increasing the disk space that we use up , we also only have boards that will take up to sixteen channels and in {pause} this meeting , we 've got eight people and {disfmarker} and six mikes . And there we 're already using fourteen .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we actually only have fifteen .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "E",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "One of them 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Details .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But fifteen , not sixteen .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well if there 's a way to say time {disfmarker} to sort of solve each of these f those {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So suppose you can get an array in because there 's some person at Berkeley who 's interested and has some {pause} equipment , uh , and suppose we can {disfmarker} as we save it we can , you know , transfer it off to some other place that {disfmarker} that holds this {disfmarker} this data , who 's interested , and even if ICSI it itself isn't . Um , and it {disfmarker} it seems like as long as we can time align the beginning , do we need to mix it with the rest ? I don't know . You know ? The",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think you 'd need a separate {disfmarker} a separate set up",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and the assumption that you could time align the two .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's just {disfmarker} it 's worth considering as sort of",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And y it 'd certainly gets skew .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "once you make the up front investment {comment} and can sort of save it out each time , and {disfmarker} and not have to worry about the disk space factor , then it mi it might be worth having the data .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not so much worried about disk space actually . I mentioned that , b as a practical matter ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "but the real issue is that , uh , there is no way to do a recording extended to what we have now with low skew . So {pause} you would have a t completely separate set up ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which would mean that the sampling times and so forth would be all over the place compared to this . So it would depend on the level of pr processing you were doing later , but if you 're d i the kind of person who 's doing array processing you actually care about funny little times . And {disfmarker} and so you actually wou would want to have a completely different set up than we have ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "one that would go up to thirty - two channels or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So basically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or a hundred thirty - two .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "or a hun Yeah . So , I 'm kinda skeptical , but um I think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , I don't think we can share the resource in that way . But what we could do is if there was someone else who 's interested they could have a separate set up which they wouldn't be trying to synch with ours which might be useful for {disfmarker} for them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right , I mean at least they 'd have the data and the transcripts ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then we can offer up the room ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can o offer the meetings , and the physical space , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} yeah , the transcripts , and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Right , I mean , just {disfmarker} it 'd be nice if we have more information on the same data . You know , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But it 's {disfmarker} if it 's impossible or if it 's a lot of effort then you have to just balance the two ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well I thi",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah , the thing will be , u u in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} again , in talking to these other people to see what {disfmarker} you know , what {disfmarker} what we can do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we 'll see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is there an interest in getting video recordings for these meetings ? ",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , so we have {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely . But it 's exactly the same problem , that you have an infrastructure problem , you have a problem with people not wanting to be video taped , and you have the problem that no one who 's currently involved in the project is really hot to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . So there 's not enough interest to overcome all of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . Internally , but I know there is interest from other places that are interested in looking at meeting data and having the video . So it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w although I {disfmarker} m {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I have to u u mention the human subjects problems , {pause} that i increase with video .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right , that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it 's , uh , people {disfmarker} people getting shy about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "There 's this human subjects problem . There 's the fact that then um , if {disfmarker} i I I 've heard comments about this before , \" why don't you just put on a video camera ? \" But you know , it 's sort of like saying , \" uh , well we 're primarily interested in {disfmarker} in some dialogue things , uh , but , uh , why don't we just throw a microphone out there . \" I mean , the thing is , once you actually have serious interest in any of these things then you actually have to put a lot of effort in .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , you really want to do it right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I know . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So I think NIST or LDC , or somebody like that I think is much better shape to do all that . We {disfmarker} there will be other meeting recordings . We won't be the only place doing meeting recordings . We are doing what we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , hopefully it 'll be useful .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it occurred to me , has Don signed a human subject 's form ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Probably not .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "A permission form ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Has Don {disfmarker} have you s did you si I thought you did actually .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , I was {disfmarker} I was here {disfmarker} I was here before once .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Didn't you read a digit string ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "You were here at a meeting before .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You were here at a meeting before .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and you {disfmarker} and you signed a form .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I think so .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Did you sign a form ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Did I ? I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm pretty sure . Well I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll get another one before the end of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You don't {disfmarker} you don't have to leave for it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Can I verbally consent ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Well I can't , I 'm wired in .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we don't , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You 're on recor you 're being recorded",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "o",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "we don't {disfmarker} we don't perform electro - shock during these meetings ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't care . You can do whatever you want with it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Usually .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Uh , transcriptions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Transcriptions , OK . Um , I thought about {disfmarker} there are maybe three aspects of this . So first of all , um , I 've got eight transcribers . Uh , seven of them are linguists . One of them is a graduate student in psychology . Um , Each {disfmarker} I gave each of them , uh , their own data set . Two of them have already finished the data sets . And {pause} the meetings run , you know , let 's say an hour . Sometimes as man much as an hour and a half .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "How big is the data set ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's {disfmarker} what I mean is one meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Each {disfmarker} each person got their own meeting . I didn't want to have any conflicts of , you know , of {disfmarker} of when to stop transcribing this one or {disfmarker} So I wanted to keep it clear whose data were whose , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , meetings , you know , I think that they 're {disfmarker} they go as long as a {disfmarker} almost two hours in some {disfmarker} in some cases . So , you know , that means {disfmarker} you know , if we 've got two already finished and they 're working on {disfmarker} Uh , right now all eight of them have differe uh , uh , additional data sets . That means potentially as many as ten might be finished by the end of the month .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hope so . But the pre - segmentation really helps a huge amount .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , also Dan Ellis 's innovation of the , uh {disfmarker} the multi - channel to here really helped a r a lot in terms of clearing {disfmarker} clearing up h hearings that involve overlaps . But , um , just out of curiosity I asked one of them how long {pause} it was taking her , one of these two who has already finished her data set . She said it takes about , uh , sixty minutes transcription for every five minutes of real time . So it 's about twelve to one , which is what we were thinking .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "or Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's well in the range .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "It 's pretty good .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh , these still , when they 're finished , um , that means that they 're finished with their pass through . They still need to be edited and all but {disfmarker} But it 's word level , speaker change , the things that were mentioned . OK , now I wanted to mention the , um , teleconference I had with , uh , Jonathan Fiscus . We spoke for an hour and a half and , um , had an awful lot of things in common .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "He , um , um , he in indicated to me that they 've {disfmarker} that he 's been , uh , looking , uh , uh , spending a lot of time with {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure the connection , but spending a lot of time with the ATLAS system . And I guess that {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I need to read up on that . And there 's a web site that has lots of papers . But it looks to me like that 's the name that has developed for the system that Bird and Liberman developed {comment} for the annotated {pause} graphs approach .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So what he wants me to do and what we {disfmarker} what we will do and {disfmarker} uh , is to provide them with the u already transcribed meeting for him to be able to experiment with in this ATLAS System . And they do have some sort of software , at least that 's my impression , related to ATLAS and that he wants to experiment with taking our data and putting them in that format , and see how that works out . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I explained to him in {disfmarker} in detail the , uh , conventions that we 're using here in this {disfmarker} in this word level transcript . And , um , you know , I {disfmarker} I explained , you know , the reasons that {disfmarker} that we were not coding more elaborately and {disfmarker} and the focus on reliability . He expressed a lot of interest in reliability . It 's like he 's {disfmarker} he 's really up on these things . He 's {disfmarker} he 's very {disfmarker} Um , independently he asked , \" well what about reliability ? \" So , {vocalsound} he 's interested in the consistency of the encoding and that sort of thing . OK , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , can you explain what the ATLAS {disfmarker} I 'm not familiar with this ATLAS system .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , at this point I think {disfmarker} Uh , well Adam 's read more {disfmarker} in more detail than I have on this . I need to acquaint myself more with it . But , um , there {disfmarker} there is a way of viewing {disfmarker} Uh , whenever you have coding categories , um , and you 're dealing with uh , a taxonomy , then you can have branches that {disfmarker} that have alternative , uh , choices that you could use for each {disfmarker} each of them . And it just ends up looking like a graphical representation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} Is ATLAS the {disfmarker} his annotated transcription graph stuff ? I don't remember the acronym . The {disfmarker} the one {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} what I think you 're referring to , they {disfmarker} they have this concept of an an annotated transcription graph representation .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "And that 's basically what I based the format that I did {disfmarker} I based it on their work almost directly , in combination with the TEI stuff . And so it 's very , very similar . And so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a data representation and a set of tools for manipulating transcription graphs of various types .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Is this the project that 's sort of , uh , between , uh , NIST and {disfmarker} and , uh , a couple of other places ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Including LDC .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "y right , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Then there 's their web site that has lots of papers . And I looked through them and they mainly had to do with this , um , this , uh , tree structure , uh , annotated tree diagram thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , um {disfmarker} and , you know , in terms of like the conventions that I 'm a that I 've adopted , it {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there 's no conflict at all .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And he was , you know , very interested . And , \" oh , and how 'd you handle this ? \" And I said , \" well , you know , this way \" and {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and we had a really nice conversation . Um , OK , now I also wanted to say in a different {disfmarker} a different direction is , Brian Kingsbury . So , um , I corresponded briefly with him . I , uh , c I {disfmarker} He still has an account here . I told him he could SSH on and use multi - trans , and have a look at the already done , uh , transcription . And he {disfmarker} and he did . And what he said was that , um , what they 'll be providing is {disfmarker} will not be as fine grained in terms of the time information . And , um , that 's , uh {disfmarker} You know , I need to get back to him and {disfmarker} and , uh , you know , explore that a little bit more and see what they 'll be giving us in specific ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The p the people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but I just haven't had time yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the folks that they 're , uh , subcontracting out the transcription to , are they like court reporters",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what ? Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Apparently {disfmarker} Well , I get the sense they 're kind of like that . Like it 's like a pool of {disfmarker} of somewhat uh , secretarial {disfmarker} I don't think that they 're court reporters . I don't think they have the special keyboards and that {disfmarker} and that type of training .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I get the sense they 're more secretarial . And that , um , uh , what they 're doing is giving them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Like medical transcriptionist type people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Nu - it 's mostly {disfmarker} it 's for their speech recognition products ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But aren't {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "that they 've hired these people to do .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so they 're hiring them , they 're coming . It 's not a service they send the tapes out to .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well they {disfmarker} they do send it out but my understanding is that that 's all this company does is transcriptions for IBM for their speech product .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! Oh . OK . I gotcha .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So most of it 's ViaVoice , people reading their training material for that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Up to now it 's been monologues , uh , as far my understood .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yep , exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and what they 're doing is",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Brian himself downloaded {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} So , um , Adam sent them a CD and Brian himself downloaded {disfmarker} uh , cuz , you know , I mean , we wanted to have it so that they were in familiar f terms with what they wanted to do . He downloaded {pause} from the CD onto audio tapes . And apparently he did it one channel per audio tape . So each of these people is {pause} transcribing from one channel .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then what he 's going to do is check it , a before they go be beyond the first one . Check it and , you know , adjust it , and all that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So each person gets one of these channels {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So if they hear something off in the distance they don't {disfmarker} they just go {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Well , but that 's OK , because , you know , you 'll do all them and then combine them .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But there could be problems , right ? with that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I have t I , you know I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think it would be difficult to do it that way . I really",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well if you 're tran if you got that channel right there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "d uh , in my case {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , no . We 're talking about close talking , not the {disfmarker} not the desktop .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "No , close talk .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Are you ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Well I th I think so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I sure hope so . It 'd be really foolish to do otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I would think that it would be kind of hard to come out with {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it 's sort of hard just playing the {disfmarker} you know , just having played the individual files . And I {disfmarker} I mean , I know you . I know what your voice sounds like . I 'm sort of familiar with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it 's pretty hard to follow , especially",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "One side .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "there are a lot of words that are so reduced phonetically that make sense when you know what the person was saying before .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it sort of depends where you are in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And especially since a lot of these {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I mean we had this {disfmarker} we 've had this discussion many times .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we have .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "And the answer is we don't actually know the answer because we haven't tried both ways .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , except I can say that my transcribers use the mixed signal mostly",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "unless there 's a huge disparity in terms of the volume on {disfmarker} on the mix . In which case , you know , they {disfmarker} they wouldn't be able to catch anything except the prominent {comment} channel ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "then they 'll switch between .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Well I think that {disfmarker} that might change if you wanted really fine time markings .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but really {disfmarker} Well , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But they 're not giving f really fine time markings .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Actually , are th so {vocalsound} are they giving any time markings ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "In other words , if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I have to ask him .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's {disfmarker} that 's my email to him . That needs to be forthcoming .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but the , uh {disfmarker} I did want to say that it 's hard to follow one channel of a conversation even if you know the people , and if you 're dealing furthermore with highly abstract network concepts you 've never heard of {disfmarker} So , you know , one of these people was {disfmarker} was transcribing the , uh , networks group talk and she said , \" I don't really know what a lot of these abbreviations are , \" \" but I just put them in parentheses cuz that 's the {disfmarker} that 's the convention and I just \" {disfmarker} Cuz you know , if you don't know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I 'd be curious to {disfmarker} to look at that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Just out of curiosity , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They also all have h heavy accents .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "The networks group meetings are all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Given all of the effort that is going on here in transcribing why do we have I B M doing it ? Why not just do it all ourselves ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , it 's historical . I mean , uh , some point ago we thought that uh , it {disfmarker} \" boy , we 'd really have to ramp up to do that \" ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "you know , like we just did , and , um , here 's , uh , a {disfmarker} a , uh , collaborating institution that 's volunteered to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , that was a contribution they could make . Uh in terms of time , money , you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it still might be a good thing",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just wondering now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Actu yeah , Mar - Mari asked me the same question as sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm wondering now if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well we can talk about more details later .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "um , you know , yeah , whether to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We 'll see . I mean , I think , th you know , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they 've proceeded along a bit . Let 's see what comes out of it , and {disfmarker} and , uh , you know , have some more discussions with them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . It 's very {disfmarker} a real benefit having Brian involved because of his knowledge of what the {disfmarker} how the data need to be used and so what 's useful to have in the format .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , um , Liz , with {disfmarker} with the SRI recognizer , {comment} can it make use of some time marks ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK , so this is a , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I guess I don't know what that means .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and actually I should say this is what Don has b uh , he 's already been really helpful in , uh , chopping up these {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so first of all you {disfmarker} um , I mean , for the SRI front - end , we really need to chop things up into pieces that are f not too huge . Um , but second of all , uh {disfmarker} in general because some of these channels , I 'd say , like , I don't know , at least half of them probably {comment} on average are g are ha are {disfmarker} have a lot of cross - ta sorry , some of the segments have a lot of cross - talk . Um , it 's good to get sort of short segments if you 're gonna do recognition , especially forced alignment . So , uh , Don has been taking a first stab actually using Jane 's first {disfmarker} the fir the meeting that Jane transcribed which we did have some problems with , and Thilo , uh , I think told me why this was , but that people were switching microphones around {comment} in the very beginning , so {disfmarker} the SRI re",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , th Yeah . No . They {disfmarker} they were not switching them but what they were {disfmarker} they were adjusting them ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and they {disfmarker} They were not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Adjusting . Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And aft after a minute or so it 's {disfmarker} it 's way better .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So we have to sort of normalize {comment} the front - end and so forth , and have these small segments .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So we 've taken that and chopped it into pieces based always on your {disfmarker} your , um , cuts that you made on the mixed signal . And so that every {disfmarker} every speaker has the same cuts . And if they have speech in it we run it through . And if they don't have speech in it we don't run it through . And we base that knowledge on the transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker} Just on the marks . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um , the problem is if we have no time marks , then for forced alignment we actually don't know where {disfmarker} you know , in the signal the transcriber heard that word . And so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if {disfmarker} if it 's a whole conversation and we get a long , uh , you know , par paragraph of {disfmarker} of talk ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "it 's for the length . I see .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "uh , I don't know how they do this . Um , we actually don't know which piece goes where .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I understand .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And , um , I think with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well you would need to {disfmarker} like a forced alignment before you did the chopping , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , we used the fact that {disfmarker} So when Jane transcribes them the way she has transcribers doing this , whether it 's with the pre - segmentation or not ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's already chunked .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "they have a chunk and then they transcribes {comment} the words in the chunk . And maybe they choose the chunk or now they use a pre - segmentation and then correct it if necessary . But there 's first a chunk and then a transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Then a chunk , then a transcription . That 's great , cuz the recognizer can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it 's all pretty good sized for the recognizer also .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right , and it {disfmarker} it helps that it 's made based on sort of heuristics and human ear I think .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good . Oh good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Th - but there 's going to be a real problem , uh , even if we chop up based on speech silence these , uh , the transcripts from I B M , we don't actually know where the words were , which segment they belonged to .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So that 's sort of what I 'm {pause} worried about right now .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Why not do a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a forced alignment ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's what she 's saying , is that you can't .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "If you do a forced alignment on something really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Got uh six sixty minutes of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "well even if you do it on something really long you need to know {disfmarker} you can always chop it up but you need to have a reference of which words went with which , uh , chop .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Now wasn't {disfmarker} I thought that one of the proposals was that IBM was going to do an initial forced alignment ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "after they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think that they are ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We 'll have to talk to Brian .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "um , yeah , I 'm sure they will and so we {disfmarker} we have to have a dialogue with them about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it sounds like Liz has some concerns",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe they have some {disfmarker} you know , maybe actually there is some , even if they 're not fine grained , maybe the transcribers {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh , I don't know , maybe it 's saved out in pieces or {disfmarker} or something . That would help .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , it 's just an unknown right now .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I need to {disfmarker} to write to him .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker} you know , it 's like I got over - taxed with the timing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right . But the {disfmarker} it is true that the segments {disfmarker} I haven't tried the segments that Thilo gave you but the segments that in your first meeting are great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's {disfmarker} that 's a good length .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "A good size . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right , cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I was thinking it would be fun to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} uh , uh , if {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} wouldn't mind , {comment} {vocalsound} to give us a pre - segmentation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "y yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , maybe you have one already of that first m of the meeting that uh , the first transcribed meeting , the one that I transcribed .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Um , I 'm sure I have some",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do you have a {disfmarker} could you generate a pre - segmentation ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "February sixteenth I think .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but that 's the one where we 're , um , trai training on , so that 's a little bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a little bit at odd to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , darn . Of course , of course , of course . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And actually as you get transcripts just , um , for new meetings , {comment} um , we can try {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker} the more data we have to try the {disfmarker} the alignments on , um , the better . So it 'd be good for {disfmarker} just to know as transcriptions are coming through the pipeline from the transcribers , just to sort of {disfmarker} we 're playing around with sort of uh , parameters f on the recognizer ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "cuz that would be helpful . Especially as you get , en more voices .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "The first meeting had I think just four people ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Four speakers , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Liz and I spoke d w at some length on Tuesday and {disfmarker} and I {disfmarker} and I was planning to do just a {disfmarker} a preliminary look over of the two that are finished and then give them to you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , great , great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's great . I guess the other thing , I {disfmarker} I can't remember if we discussed this in the meeting but , uh , I know you and I talked about this a little bit , there was an issue of , uh , suppose we get in the , uh , I guess it 's enviable position although maybe it 's just saying where the weak link is in the chain , uh , where we {disfmarker} we , uh {disfmarker} uh , we have all the data transcribed and we have these transcribers and we were {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} we 're still a bit slow on feeding {disfmarker} at that point we 've caught up and the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the , uh , the weak link is {disfmarker} is recording meetings . OK , um , two questions come , is you know what {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how do we {disfmarker} uh , it 's not really a problem at the moment cuz we haven't reached that point but how do we step out the recorded meetings ? And the other one is , um , uh , is there some good use that we can make of the transcribers to do other things ? So , um , I {disfmarker} I can't remember how much we talked about this in this meeting but there was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We had spoken with them about it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And there is one use that {disfmarker} that also we discussed which was when , uh , Dave finishes the {disfmarker} and maybe it 's already finished {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the modification to multi - trans which will allow fine grained encoding of overlaps . Uh , then it would be very {disfmarker} these people would be very good to shift over to finer grain encoding of overlaps . It 's just a matter of , you know , providing {disfmarker} So if right now you have two overlapping segments in the same time bin , well with {disfmarker} with the improvement in the database {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the , uh , sorry , in the interface , it 'd be possible to , um , you know , just do a click and drag thing , and get the {disfmarker} uh , the specific place of each of those , the time tag associated with the beginning and end of {disfmarker} of each segment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right , so I think we talking about three level {disfmarker} three things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "One {disfmarker} one was uh , we had s had some discussion in the past about some very high level labelings ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The types of overlaps {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "types of overlaps , and so forth that {disfmarker} that someone could do . Second was , uh , somewhat lower level",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "just doing these more precise timings . And the third one is {disfmarker} is , uh , just a completely wild hair brained idea that I have which is that , um , if , uh {disfmarker} if we have time and people are able to do it , to take some subset of the data and do some very fine grained analysis of the speech . For instance , uh , marking in some overlapping {disfmarker} potentially overlapping fashion , uh , the value of , uh , ar articulatory features .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "You know , just sort of say , OK , it 's voiced from here to here , there 's {disfmarker} it 's nasal from here to here , and so forth . Um , as opposed to doing phonetic {disfmarker} uh , you know , phonemic and the phonetic analysis ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , assuming , uh , articulatory feature values for those {disfmarker} those things . Um , obviously that 's extremely time - consuming . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That would be really valuable I think .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but , uh , we could do it on some small subset .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Also if you 're dealing with consonants that would be easier than vowels , wouldn't it ? I mean , I would think that {disfmarker} that , uh , being able to code that there 's a {disfmarker} a fricative extending from here to here would be a lot easier than classifying precisely which vowel that was .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Which one .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think vowels {disfmarker} vowels are I think harder .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but I think also it 's just the issue that {disfmarker} that when you look at the {disfmarker} u w u u when you look at Switchboard for instance very close up there are places where whether it 's a consonant or a vowel you still have trouble calling it a particular phone",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "at that point",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} but just saying what the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "because it 's {disfmarker} you know , there 's this movement from here to here",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm sure . Uh , yeah , I {disfmarker} I know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and it 's {disfmarker} so I",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You 're saying r sort of remove the high level constraints and go bottom - up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , describe {disfmarker} describe it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Then just say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep , just features .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Now I 'm suggesting articulatory features . Maybe there 's {disfmarker} there 's even a better way to do it but it {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but that 's , you know , sort of a traditional way of describing these things ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um , and {disfmarker} uh , I mean , actually this might be a g neat thing to talk to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Acoustic features versus psychological categories .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sort of . I mean , it 's still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "some sort of categories but {disfmarker} but something that allows for overlapping change of these things and then this would give some more ground work for people who were building statistical models that allowed for overlapping changes , different timing changes as opposed to just \" click , you 're now in this state , which corresponds to this speech sound \" and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this is like gestural {disfmarker} uh , these g",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , actually if we get into that it might be good to , uh , uh , haul John Ohala into this",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and ask his {disfmarker} his views on it I think .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But is {disfmarker} is the goal there to have this on meeting data ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "like so that you can do far field studies {comment} of those gestures or {disfmarker} um , or is it because you think there 's a different kind of actual production in meetings {comment} that people use ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , I think {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for that purpose I 'm just viewing meetings as being a {disfmarker} a neat way to get people talking naturally . And then you have i and then {disfmarker} and then it 's natural in all senses ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Just a source of data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "in the sense that you have microphones that are at a distance that you know , one might have , and you have the close mikes , and you have people talking naturally . And the overlap is just indicative of the fact that people are talking naturally ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ? So {disfmarker} so I think that given that it 's that kind of corpus ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if it 's gonna be a very useful corpus um , if you say w OK , we 've limited the use by some of our , uh , uh , censored choices , we don't have the video , we don't {disfmarker} and so forth , but there 's a lot of use that we could make of it by expanding the annotation choices .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , most of the things we 've talked about have been fairly high level , and being kind of a bottom - up person I thought maybe we 'd , {vocalsound} do some of the others .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , that would be good .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a nice balance .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That would be really nice to offer those things with that wide range .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and hopefully someone would make use of it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Really nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , people didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "uh , I mean , people have made a lot of use of {disfmarker} of TIMIT and , uh w due to its markings , and then {pause} the Switchboard transcription thing , well I think has been very useful for a lot of people .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I guess I wanted to , um , sort of make a pitch for trying to collect more meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I actually I talked to Chuck Fillmore and I think they 've what , vehemently said no before but this time he wasn't vehement and he said you know , \" well , Liz , come to the meeting tomorrow",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and try to convince people \" . So I 'm gonna {pause} try . Go to their meeting tomorrow and see if we can try , uh , to convince them",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz they have something like three or four different meetings ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because they have {disfmarker} And they have very interesting meetings from the point of view of a very different type of {disfmarker} of talk than we have here",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Talk {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and definitely than the front end meeting , probably . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You mean in terms of the topic {disfmarker} topics ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yes and in terms of the {disfmarker} the fact that they 're describing abstract things and , uh , just dialogue - wise ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I 'll try . And then the other thing is , I don't know if this is at all useful , but I asked Lila if I can maybe go around and talk to the different departments in this building to see if there 's any groups that , for a free lunch ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "if we can still offer that , might be willing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You mean non - ICSI ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "non - ICSI , non - academic ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess you {disfmarker} you can try",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "you know , like government people ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The problem is so much of their stuff is confidential .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "It would be very hard for them .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is it in these departments ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Also it does seem like it takes us way out of the demographic . I mean , it seems like we {disfmarker} we had this idea before of having like linguistics students brought down for free lunches",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Well , tha I think that 's her point .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and that 's a nice idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Right , and then we could also {disfmarker} we might try advertising again because I think it 'd be good if {disfmarker} if we can get a few different sort of non - internal types of meetings",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and just also more data . So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Does {disfmarker} does John Ohala have weekly phonetics lab meetings ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "And I think , uh , if we could get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So I actually wrote to him and he answered , \" great , that sounds really interesting \" . But I never heard back because we didn't actually advertise openly . We a I mean w I told {disfmarker} I d asked him privately . Um , and it is a little bit of a trek for campus {pause} folks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You might give them a free lunch .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Um , so it 's still worthwhile .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , um , it would be nice if we got someone other than me who knew how to set it up and could do the recording",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so u I didn't have to do it each time .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Exactly , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "and I was thinking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He - he 's supposed {disfmarker} he 's supposed to be trained {vocalsound} to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Plus we could also get you know , a s a student .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , next week {pause} you 're going to do it all .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm willing to try to learn . I mean , I 'm {disfmarker} I would do my best . Um , the other thing is that {disfmarker} there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that hard .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "disfluency tagging , um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y {comment} working on for language modeling . And Mari 's also interested in it , Andreas as well . So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , \" well \" , and that \" well \" is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag . Uh , and things like that , um , th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Of course some of that can be li done lexically .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "A lot of it can be done {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I also {disfmarker} they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Great . So a {disfmarker} a lot of this kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I think there 's a second pass and I don't really know what would exist in it . But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} um , that maybe these transcribers could do . So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They 'd be really good . They 're {disfmarker} they 're very {disfmarker} they 're very consistent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I wanted to {disfmarker} whi while we 're {disfmarker} Uh , so , to return just briefly to this question of more meeting data , um {disfmarker} I have two questions . One of them is , um , Jerry Feldman 's group , they {disfmarker} they , uh , are they {disfmarker} I know that they recorded one meeting . Are they willing ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "I think they 're open to it . I think , you know , all these things are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think there 's {disfmarker} we should go beyond , uh , ICSI but , I mean , there 's a lot of stuff happening at ICSI that we 're not getting now that we could .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that we could .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "OK . I thought that all these people had sort of said \" no \" twice already .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If that 's not the case then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , no . No . So th there was the thing in Fillmore 's group but even there he hadn't {disfmarker} What he 'd said \" no \" to was for the main meeting . But they have several smaller meetings a week ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , the notion was raised before that that could happen . And it just , you know {disfmarker} it just didn't come together",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , and {disfmarker} and the other thing too is when they originally said \" no \" they didn't know about this post - editing capability thing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . That was a big fear .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's important .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I mean there 's possibilities there . I think Jerry 's group , yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Uh , there 's {disfmarker} there 's , uh , the networks group , uh , I don't {disfmarker} Do they still meeting regularly or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Well , I don't know if they meet regularly or not but they are no longer recording .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "But I mean , ha ha have they said they don't want to anymore or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Um , ugh , what was his name ?",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Joe Sokol ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "When {disfmarker} with him gone , it sorta trickled off .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "OK , so they 're down to three or four people",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "They {disfmarker} and they stopped {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "but the thing is three or four people is OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "We might be able to get the administration {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Well he was sort of my contact , so I just need to find out who 's running it now .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "I see that Lila has a luncheon meeting in here periodically .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah , I mean , it {disfmarker} One thing that would be nice",
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"content": "I don't know {disfmarker}",
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"content": "and this {disfmarker} it sounds bizarre but , I 'd really like to look at {disfmarker} to get some meetings where there 's a little bit of heated discussion , like ar arguments and {disfmarker} or emotion , and things like that . And so I was thinking if there 's any like Berkeley political groups or something . I mean , that 'd be perfect . Some group , \" yes , we must {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Who 's willing to get recorded and distributed ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Well , you know , something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Yeah , I don't think the more political argumentative ones would be willing to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "No , but maybe stu student , uh , groups or , um , film - makers , or som Something a little bit colorful .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Film - maker .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "And I don't mean that they 're angry",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "of {disfmarker} {comment} Yes . Really .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "but just something with some more variation in prosodic contours and so forth would be neat . So if anyone has ideas , I 'm willing to do the leg work to go try to talk to people but I don't really know which groups are worth pursuing .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Well there was this K P F A",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it turned out to be a bit of a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "And I had one other {disfmarker} one other aspect of this which is , um , uh , uh , Jonathan Fiscus expressed primar uh y a major interest in having meetings which were all English speakers . Now he wasn't trying to shape us in terms of what we gather",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but that 's what he wanted me to show him . So I 'm giving him our , um {disfmarker} our initial meeting because he asked for all English . And I think we don't have a lot of all English meetings right now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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{
"content": "Of all {disfmarker} all nat all native speakers .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Did he mean , uh {disfmarker} did he mean and non - British ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "The all native .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "That 's what I mean , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Well if he meant and non - British I think we have zero .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "He doesn't care . No . Eh , well , British is OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "He said British was OK ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Why ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "British is English ?",
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Well , I don't {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't think {disfmarker} if he didn't say that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "I bet he meant native speaking American .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
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"content": "I bet he did .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "American English ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
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"content": "Oh , really .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
},
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"content": "So , why would he care ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Knowing the application {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "I remember a study that BBN did where they trained on {disfmarker} this was in Wall Street Journal days or something , they trained on American English and then they tested on , uh , different native speakers from different areas . And , uh , uh , the worst match was people whose native tongue was Mandarin Chinese . The second worst was British English .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "That 's funny .",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} German was much better ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Ooo , ooo .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "I didn't have the context of that .",
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"content": "it was Swiss w Yeah , so it 's {disfmarker} so I think , you know , if he 's {disfmarker} if he 's thinking in terms of recognition kind of technology I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think he would probably want , uh {vocalsound} American English ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "I wonder if we have any .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "yeah . It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} yeah , unless we 're gonna train with a whole bunch of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "I think that the {disfmarker} Feldman 's meetings tend to be more that way , aren't they ? I mean , I sort of feel like they have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "you know , Dan wasn't there and before Jose started coming ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "So , uh , what about {disfmarker} what about people who involved in some artistic endeavor ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
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"content": "I mean , film - making or something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Exactly , that 's what I was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "You 'd think like they would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "something where there {disfmarker} there is actually discussion where there 's no right or wrong answer but {disfmarker} but it 's a matter of opinion kind of thing . Uh , anyway , if you {disfmarker} if you have ideas {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "We can just discu we can just have a political discussion one day .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Uh , I could make that pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Well , like computer science .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah , I know you are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "and {disfmarker} and that {disfmarker} that has a chance to give us some very interesting fun data . So if anyone has ideas ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "if you know any groups that are m you know ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Well I had asked some {disfmarker} some of the students at the business school .",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "I could {disfmarker}",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Put a little ad up saying , \" come here and argue \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "Yeah . \" If you 're really angry at someone use our conference room . \"",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "The Business school . Uh , the business school might be good . I actually spoke with some students up there",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "and they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they expressed willingness back when they thought they would be doing more stuff with speech .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Really .",
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"content": "But when they lost interest in speech they also {pause} stopped answering my email about other stuff , so .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Hmm .",
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"content": "We should probably bleep that out .",
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"content": "about {disfmarker} about tax cuts or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "I heard that at Cal Tech they have a special room {disfmarker} someone said that they had a special room to get all your frustrations out that you can go to and like throw things and break things .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Th - that 's not what we want .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "No , not to that extent",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "but , um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Yeah , but we don't want them to throw the far field mikes is the thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Oh . {vocalsound} Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD D"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah . Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Padded cell .",
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"content": "It 'd be fun to get like a {disfmarker} a p visit from the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Mmm .",
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"content": "The entire room .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Pre - processing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Oh , you already did that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "but that , um , it would be helpful if I can stay in the loop somehow with , um , people who are doing any kind of post - processing , whether it 's to separate speakers or to improve the signal - to - noise ratio , or both , um , that we can sort of try out as we 're running recognition . Um , so , i is that {disfmarker} Who else is work I guess Dan Ellis and you",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Yeah , and Dave uh {pause} Gel - Gelbart again ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "and Dave .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "he 's {disfmarker} he 's interested in {disfmarker} in fact we 're look starting to look at some echo cancellation kind of things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Which uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "I am not sure how much that 's an issue with the close talking mikes ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Hmm ?",
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},
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"content": "but who knows ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "And the question is to w to what extent is it getting hurt by , uh {disfmarker} by any room acoustics or is it just {disfmarker} uh , given that it 's close it 's not a problem ?",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "but I 'm not an expert . It seems like a problem with cross - talk .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "That {disfmarker} that may be true .",
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "And so it 'd be w good to know about it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "So the problem is like , uh , on the microphone of somebody who 's not talking they 're picking up signals from other people {comment} and that 's {vocalsound} causing problems ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "R right , although if they 're not talking , using the {disfmarker} the inhouse transcriptions , were sort of O K because the t no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "But if they 're talking at all and they 're not talking the whole time , so you get some speech and then a \" mm - hmm \" , and some more speech , so that whole thing is one chunk . And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it , that 's where it 's a big problem .",
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"content": "You know , this does like seem like it would relate to some of what Jose 's been working on as well , the encoding of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "And {disfmarker} and he also , he was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "The energy ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "right . Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "I was t I was trying to remember , you have this interface where you {disfmarker} i you ha you showed us one time on your laptop that you {disfmarker} you had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah , c Yeah . May {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I only display the different colors for the different situation . But , eh , for me and for my problems , is uh {disfmarker} is enough . Because , eh , it 's possible , eh , eh , in a simp sample view , uh , to , nnn , to compare with c with the segment , the {disfmarker} the kind of assessment what happened with the {disfmarker} the different parameters . And only with a different bands of color for the , uh , few situation , eh , I consider for acoustic event is enough to @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @ {comment} set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to {disfmarker} to transcribe . No ? Because , uh , before , you {disfmarker} you are talking about the {disfmarker} the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to {disfmarker} t to mark the different situations during the transcription",
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"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "during the transcription . No ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Well , you 're saying {disfmarker} So , uh , symbols for differences between laugh , and sigh , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and slam the door and stuff ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . The s the symbols , you {disfmarker} you talk of before .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Or some other kind of thing ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "No ? To {disfmarker} to mark {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "Well , I wouldn't say {vocalsound} symbols so much . The {disfmarker} the main change that I {disfmarker} that I see in the interface is {disfmarker} is just that we 'll be able to more finely c uh , time things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "But I {disfmarker} I also st there was another aspect of your work that I was thinking about when I was talking to you",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Hmm .",
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"content": "which is that it sounded to me , Liz , as though you {disfmarker} and , uh , maybe I didn't q understand this , but it sounded to me as though part of the analysis that you 're doing involves taking segments which are of a particular type and putting them together .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "And th so if you have like a p a s you know , speech from one speaker , {pause} then you cut out the part that 's not that speaker ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "and you combine segments from {pause} that same speaker to {disfmarker} {comment} and run them through the recognizer . Is that {pause} right ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Well we try to find as close of start and end time of {disfmarker} as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "because then we {disfmarker} we 're more guaranteed that the recognizer will {disfmarker} for the forced alignment which is just to give us the time boundaries , because from those time boundaries then the plan is to compute prosodic features .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "And the sort of more space you have that isn't the thing you 're trying to align the more errors we have . Um , so , you know , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} it would help to have either pre - processing of a signal that creates very good signal - to - noise ratio ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Cuz i OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very {disfmarker} to have closer , {vocalsound} um , time {disfmarker} you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both . And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that . So I just wanted to {pause} see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good . Uh , the IBM one is more {disfmarker} it 's an open question right now . And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is {disfmarker} is yet another way we can improve things in that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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{
"content": "Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that experiment he did a while back ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Right . You can , um {disfmarker} The problem is just that the acoustic {disfmarker} when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you {disfmarker} you 'll get , a uh {disfmarker} an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Oh , so that 's the problem , is the {disfmarker} the signal - to - noise ratio .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Yeah . It 's not the fact that you have like {disfmarker} I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the {disfmarker} at the edges of {disfmarker} of segmentations .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Or even words inserted that weren't {disfmarker} weren't there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Right , things {disfmarker} things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "cuz what they had done there is align and then chop .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Um , and this problem is a little bit j more global . It 's that there are problems even in inside the alignments , uh , because of the fact that there 's enough acoustic signal there t for the recognizer to {disfmarker} to eat , {vocalsound} as part of a word . And it tends to do that . S So , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "but we probably will have to do something like that in addition . Anyway . So , yeah , bottom {disfmarker} bottom line is just I wanted to make sure I can be aware of whoever 's working on these signal - processing techniques for , uh , detecting energies ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "because that {disfmarker} that 'll really help us .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "O K , uh tea has started out there I suggest we c run through our digits and ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc G"
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"content": "Uh , So , OK , we 're done .",
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"answer": "The group discussed the collection status for a set of connected digits recordings that are nearly complete and ready to be trained on a recognizer. Anticipated results were discussed in reference to results obtained for other digits corpora, i.e. Aurora and TI-digits. The group also considered the prospect of performing fine-grained acoustic-phonetic analyses on a subset of Meeting Recorder digits or Switchboard data. Pre-segmentation manipulations that allow for the segmentation of channel-specific speech/non-speech portions of the signal and the distinction of foreground versus background speech were discussed. Finally, speaker fe008 and fe016 reported on new efforts to adapt transcriptions to the needs of the SRI recognizer, including conventions for encoding acronyms, numbers, ambient noise, and unidentified inbreaths.",
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"answer": "The group discussed the collection status for a set of connected digits recordings that are nearly complete and ready to be trained on a recognizer. Anticipated results were discussed in reference to results obtained for other digits corpora, i.e. Aurora and TI-digits.",
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"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I wanted to discuss digits briefly , but that won't take too long .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh good . Right . OK , agenda items , Uh , we have digits , What else we got ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "New version of the presegmentation .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "New version of presegmentation .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , do we wanna say something about the , an update of the , uh , transcript ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why don't you summarize the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Update on transcripts .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "And I guess that includes some {disfmarker} the filtering for the , the ASI refs , too .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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{
"content": "Filtering for what ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "For the references that we need to go from the {disfmarker} the {pause} fancy transcripts to the sort of {nonvocalsound} brain - dead .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "It 'll {disfmarker} it 'll be {disfmarker} basically it 'll be a re - cap of a meeting that we had jointly this morning .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "With Don , as well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
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"content": "Got it . Anything else more pressing than those things ? So {disfmarker} So , why don't we just do those . You said yours was brief , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "OK . OK well , the , w uh as you can see from the numbers on the digits we 're almost done . The digits goes up to {pause} about four thousand . Um , and so , uh , we probably will be done with the TI - digits in , um , another couple weeks . um , depending on how many we read each time . So there were a bunch that we skipped . You know , someone fills out the form and then they 're not at the meeting and so it 's blank . Um , but those are almost all filled in as well . And so , once we 're {disfmarker} it 's done it would be very nice to train up a recognizer and actually start working with this data .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "So we 'll have a corpus that 's the size of TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "And so {disfmarker} One particular test set of TI - digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Test set , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "So , I {disfmarker} I extracted , Ther - there was a file sitting around which people have used here as a test set . It had been randomized and so on",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "and that 's just what I used to generate the order . of these particular ones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Oh ! Great . Great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "So , I 'm impressed by what we could do , Is take the standard training set for TI - digits , train up with whatever , you know , great features we think we have , uh for instance , and then test on uh this test set .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "And presumably uh it should do reasonably well on that , and then , presumably , we should go to the distant mike , and it should do poorly .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then we should get really smart over the next year or two , and it {disfmarker} that should get better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Right . And inc increase it by one or two percent , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Yeah , {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Um , but , in order to do that we need to extract out the actual digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
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"content": "Um , so that {disfmarker} the reason it 's not just a transcript is that there 're false starts , and misreads , and miscues and things like that . And so I have a set of scripts and X Waves where you just select the portion , hit R , um , it tells you what the next one should be , and you just look for that . You know , so it {disfmarker} it 'll put on the screen , \" The next set is six nine , nine two two \" . And you find that , and , hit the key and it records it in a file in a particular format .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "So is this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "And so the {disfmarker} the question is , should we have the transcribers do that or should we just do it ? Well , some of us . I 've been do I 've done , eight meetings , something like that , just by hand . Just myself , rather . So it will not take long . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Uh , what {disfmarker} what do you think ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "My feeling is that we discussed this right before coffee and I think it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a fine idea partly because , um , it 's not un unrelated to their present skill set , but it will add , for them , an extra dimension , it might be an interesting break for them . And also it is contributing to the , uh , c composition of the transcript cuz we can incorporate those numbers directly and it 'll be a more complete transcript . So I 'm {disfmarker} I think it 's fine , that part .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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"content": "There is {disfmarker} there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "So you think it 's fine to have the transcribers do it ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "There 's one other small bit , which is just entering the information which at s which is at the top of this form , onto the computer , to go along with the {disfmarker} where the digits are recorded automatically .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "And so it 's just , you know , typing in name , times {disfmarker} time , date , and so on . Um , which again either they can do , but it is , you know , firing up an editor , or , again , I can do . Or someone else can do .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "And , that , you know , I 'm not , that {disfmarker} that one I 'm not so sure if it 's into the {disfmarker} the , things that , I , wanted to use the hours for , because the , the time that they 'd be spending doing that they wouldn't be able to be putting more words on .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "But that 's really your choice , it 's your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
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{
"content": "So are these two separate tasks that can happen ? Or do they have to happen at the same time before {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "No they don't have {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} you have to enter the data before , you do the second task , but they don't have to happen at the same time .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's just I have a file whi which has this information on it , and then when you start using my scripts , for extracting the times , it adds the times at the bottom of the file . And so , um , I mean , it 's easy to create the files and leave them blank , and so actually we could do it in either order .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Um , it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of nice to have the same person do it just as a double - check , to make sure you 're entering for the right person . But , either way .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah just by way of uh , uh , a uh , order of magnitude , uh , um , we 've been working with this Aurora , uh data set . And , uh , the best score , on the , nicest part of the data , that is , where you 've got training and test set that are basically the same kinds of noise and so forth , uh , is about , uh {disfmarker} I think the best score was something like five percent , uh , error , per digit .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Per digit .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "So , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Per digit .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "You 're right . So if you were doing {pause} ten digit , uh , recognition , {vocalsound} you would really be in trouble . So {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} The point there , and this is uh car noise uh , uh things , but {disfmarker} but real {disfmarker} real situation ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "well , \" real \" , Um , the {disfmarker} uh there 's one microphone that 's close , that they have as {disfmarker} as this sort of thing , close versus distant . Uh but in a car , instead of {disfmarker} instead of having a projector noise it 's {disfmarker} it 's car noise . Uh but it wasn't artificially added to get some {disfmarker} some artificial signal - to - noise ratio . It was just people driving around in a car . So , that 's {disfmarker} that 's an indication , uh that was with , many sites competing , and this was the very best score and so forth , so . More typical numbers like",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Although the models weren't , that good , right ? I mean , the models are pretty crappy ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "You 're right . I think that we could have done better on the models , but the thing is that we got {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is the kind of typical number , for all of the , uh , uh , things in this task , all of the , um , languages . And so I {disfmarker} I think we 'd probably {disfmarker} the models would be better in some than in others . Um , so , uh . Anyway , just an indication once you get into this kind of realm even if you 're looking at connected digits it can be pretty hard .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . It 's gonna be fun to see how we , compare at this . Very exciting . s @ @ .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How did we do on the TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well the prosodics are so much different s it 's gonna be , strange . I mean the prosodics are not the same as TI - digits , for example .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure how much of effect that will have .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "H how do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean , the prosodics ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , just what we were talking about with grouping . That with these , the grouping , there 's no grouping at all , and so it 's just {disfmarker} the only sort of discontinuity you have is at the beginning and the end .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So what are they doing in Aurora , are they reading actual phone numbers ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Aurora I don't know . I don't know what they do in Aurora .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "or , a {disfmarker} a digit at a time , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'm not sure how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "no , no I mean it 's connected {disfmarker} it 's connected , uh , digits ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Connected .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah . But .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So there 's also the {disfmarker} not just the prosody but the cross {disfmarker} the cross - word modeling is probably quite different .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "H How",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But in TI - digits , they 're reading things like zip codes and phone numbers and things like that ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "do we do on TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so it 's gonna be different . I don't remember . I mean , very good , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean we were in the .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "One and a half percent , two percent , something like that ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I th no I think we got under a percent , but it was {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} but I mean . The very best system that I saw in the literature was a point two five percent or something that somebody had at {disfmarker} at Bell Labs , or . Uh , but . But , uh , sort of pulling out all the stops .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh really ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "s @ @ . It s strikes me that there are more {disfmarker} each of them is more informative because it 's so , random ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I think a lot of systems sort of get half a percent , or three - quarters a percent ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and we 're {disfmarker} we 're in there somewhere .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But that {disfmarker} I mean it 's really {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's close - talking mikes , no noise , clean signal , just digits , I mean , every everything is good .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's the beginning of time in speech recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes , exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And we 've only recently got it to anywhere near human .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's like the , single cell , you know , it 's the beginning of life ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Pre - prehistory .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And it 's still like an order of magnitude worse than what humans do .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "When {disfmarker} When they 're wide awake , yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . After coffee .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "after coffee , you 're right . Not after lunch .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so , um , what I 'll do then is I 'll go ahead and enter , this data . And then , hand off to Jane , and the transcribers to do the actual extraction of the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . One question I have that {disfmarker} that I mean , we wouldn't know the answer to now but might , do some guessing , but I was talking before about doing some model modeling of arti uh , uh , marking of articulatory , features , with overlap and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , and , um , On some subset . One thought might be to do this uh , on {disfmarker} on the digits , or some piece of the digits . Uh , it 'd be easier , uh , and so forth . The only thing is I 'm a little concerned that maybe the kind of phenomena , in w i i The reason for doing it is because the {disfmarker} the argument is that certainly with conversational speech , the stuff that we 've looked at here before , um , just doing the simple mapping , from , um , the phone , to the corresponding features that you could look up in a book , uh , isn't right . It isn't actually right . In fact there 's these overlapping processes where some voicing some up and then some , you know , some nasality is {disfmarker} comes in here , and so forth . And you do this gross thing saying \" Well I guess it 's this phone starting there \" . So , uh , that 's the reasoning . But , It could be that when we 're reading digits , because it 's {disfmarker} it 's for such a limited set , that maybe {disfmarker} maybe that phenomenon doesn't occur as much . I don't know . Di - an anybody {disfmarker} ? {pause} Do you have any {disfmarker} ? {pause} Anybody have any opinion about that ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and that people might articulate more , and you that might end up with more {disfmarker} a closer correspondence .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I agree .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sort of less predictability ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} You hafta {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker} Would , this corpus really be the right one to even try that on ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's definitely true that , when people are , reading , even if they 're re - reading what , they had said spontaneously , that they have very different patterns . Mitch showed that , and some , dissertations have shown that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So the fact that they 're reading , first of all , whether they 're reading in a room of , people , or rea you know , just the fact that they 're reading will make a difference .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And , depends what you 're interested in .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "See , I don't know . So , may maybe the thing will be do {disfmarker} to take some very small subset , I mean not have a big , program , but take a small set , uh , subset of the conversational speech and a small subset of the digits , and {pause} look and {disfmarker} and just get a feeling for it . Um , just take a look . Really .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "H That could {disfmarker} could be an interesting design , too , cuz then you 'd have the com the comparison of the , uh , predictable speech versus the less predictable speech",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I don't think anybody is , I at least , I don't know , of anybody , uh , well , I don't know , {vocalsound} the answers .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hey .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and maybe you 'd find that it worked in , in the , case of the pr of the , uh , non - predictable .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hafta think about , the particular acoustic features to mark , too , because , I mean , some things , they wouldn't be able to mark , like , uh , you know , uh , tense lax .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Some things are really difficult . You know ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "just listening .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "M I think we can get Ohala in to , give us some advice on that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Also I thought you were thinking of a much more restricted set of features , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was , like he said , {vocalsound} I was gonna bring John in and ask John what he thought .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . Sure . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right . But I mean you want {disfmarker} you want it be restrictive but you also want it to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to have coverage .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "You know i you should . It should be such that if you , if you , uh , if you had o um , all of the features , determined that you {disfmarker} that you were uh ch have chosen , that that would tell you , uh , in the steady - state case , uh , the phone . So , um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Even , I guess with vowels that would be pretty hard , wouldn't it ? To identify actually , you know , which one it is ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It would seem to me that the points of articulation would be m more , g uh , I mean that 's {disfmarker} I think about articulatory features , I think about , points of articulation , which means , uh , rather than vowels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Points of articulation ? What do you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , is it , uh , bilabial or dental or is it , you know , palatal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker} which are all like where {disfmarker} where your tongue comes to rest .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Place , place .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Place of ar place of articulation .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uvular .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Place .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Place . Thank you , what {disfmarker} whatev whatever I s said , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I really meant place .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , I see .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK we got our jargon then , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's also , there 's , really a difference between , the pronunciation models in the dictionary , and , the pronunciations that people produce . And , so , You get , some of that information from Steve 's work on the {disfmarker} on the labeling",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and it really , I actually think that data should be used more . That maybe , although I think the meeting context is great , that he has transcriptions that give you the actual phone sequence . And you can go from {disfmarker} not from that to the articulatory features , but that would be a better starting point for marking , the gestural features , then , data where you don't have that , because , we {disfmarker} you wanna know , both about the way that they 're producing a certain sound , and what kinds of , you know what kinds of , phonemic , differences you get between these , transcribed , sequences and the dictionary ones .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well you might be right that mi might be the way at getting at , what I was talking about , but the particular reason why I was interested in doing that was because I remember , when that happened , and , John Ohala was over here and he was looking at the spectrograms of the more difficult ones . Uh , he didn't know what to say , about , what is the sequence of phones there . They came up with some compromise . Because that really wasn't what it look like . It didn't look like a sequence of phones",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "it look like this blending thing happening here and here and here .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you have this feature here , and , overlap , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There was no name for that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But it still is {disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker} there are two steps . One {disfmarker} you know , one is going from a dictionary pronunciation of something , like , \" gonna see you tomorrow \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Or \" gonta \" .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "it could be \" going to \" or \" gonna \" or \" gonta s \" you know .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And , yeah . \" Gonna see you tomorrow \" , uh , \" guh see you tomorrow \" . And , that it would be nice to have these , intermediate , or these {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} these reduced pronunciations that those transcribers had marked or to have people mark those as well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Because , it 's not , um , that easy to go from the , dictionary , word pronuncia the dictionary phone pronunciation , to the gestural one without this intermediate or a syllable level kind of , representation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't think Morgan 's suggesting that we do that , though .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Do you mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , I I I 'm jus at the moment of course we 're just talking about what , to provide as a tool for people to do research who have different ideas about how to do it . So for instance , you might have someone who just has a wor has words with states , and has uh {disfmarker} uh , comes from articulatory gestures to that . And someone else , might actually want some phonetic uh intermediate thing . So I think it would be {disfmarker} be best to have all of it if we could . But {pause} um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} What I 'm imagining is a score - like notation , where each line is a particular feature .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so you would say , you know , it 's voiced through here , and so you have label here , and you have nas nasal here , and , they {disfmarker} they could be overlapping in all sorts of bizarre ways that don't correspond to the timing on phones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean this is the kind of reason why {disfmarker} I remember when at one of the Switchboard , workshops , that uh when we talked about doing the transcription project , Dave Talkin said , \" can't be done \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "He was {disfmarker} he was , what {disfmarker} what he meant was that this isn't , you know , a sequence of phones , and when you actually look at Switchboard that 's , not what you see , and , you know . And . It ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And in {disfmarker} in fact the inter - annotator agreement was not that good , right ? On the harder ones ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "yeah I mean it was",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It depends how you look at it , and I {disfmarker} I understand what you 're saying about this , kind of transcription exactly ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "because I 've seen {disfmarker} you know , where does the voicing bar start and so forth .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "All I 'm saying is that , it is useful to have that {disfmarker} the transcription of what was really said , and which syllables were reduced . Uh , if you 're gonna add the features it 's also useful to have some level of representation which is , is a reduced {disfmarker} it 's a pronunciation variant , that currently the dictionaries don't give you",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "because if you add them to the dictionary and you run recognition , you , you add confusion .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So people purposely don't add them . So it 's useful to know which variant was {disfmarker} was produced , at least at the phone level .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So it would be {disfmarker} it would be great if we had , either these kind of , labelings on , the same portion of Switchboard that Steve marked , or , Steve 's type markings on this data , with these .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's all , I mean . Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no I {disfmarker} I don't disagree with that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And Steve 's type is fairly {disfmarker} it 's not that slow , uh , uh , I dunno exactly what the , timing was , but .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah u I don't disagree with it the on the only thing is that , What you actually will end {disfmarker} en end up with is something , i it 's all compromised , right , so , the string that you end up with isn't , actually , what happened . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's the best compromise that a group of people scratching their heads could come up with to describe what happened .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And it 's more accurate than , phone labels .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But . And it 's more accurate than the {disfmarker} than the dictionary or , if you 've got a pronunciation uh lexicon that has three or four ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The word .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "this might be have been the fifth one that you tr that you pruned or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's like a continuum .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} you 're going all the way down ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I meant is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "an and in some places it would fill in , So {disfmarker} the kinds of gestural features are not everywhere .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So there are some things that you don't have access to either from your ear or the spectrogram ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but you know what phone it was and that 's about all you can {disfmarker} all you can say .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then there are other cases where , nasality , voicing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's basically just having , multiple levels of {disfmarker} of , information and marking , on the signal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well the other difference is that the {disfmarker} the features , are not synchronous ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "right . They overlap each other in weird ways .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not a strictly one - dimensional signal .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I think that 's sorta qualitatively different .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . You can add the features in , uh , but it 'll be underspecified .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Th - there 'll be no way for you to actually mark what was said completely by features .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well not with our current system but you could imagine designing a system , that the states were features , rather than phones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And i if you 're {disfmarker} Well , we {disfmarker} we 've probably have a {vocalsound} separate , um , discussion of , uh {disfmarker} of whether you can do that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} Well , {pause} isn't that {disfmarker} I thought that was , well but that {disfmarker} wasn't that kinda the direction ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I thought",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I mean , what , what {disfmarker} where this is , I mean , I I want would like to have something that 's useful to people other than those who are doing the specific kind of research I have in mind , so it should be something broader . But , The {disfmarker} but uh where I 'm coming from is , uh , we 're coming off of stuff that Larry Saul did with {disfmarker} with , um , uh , John Dalan and Muzim Rahim in which , uh , they , uh , have , um , a m a multi - band system that is , uh , trained through a combination of gradient learning an and EM , to {pause} um , estimate , uh , {vocalsound} the , uh , value for m for {disfmarker} for a particular feature . OK . And this is part of a larger , image that John Dalan has about how the human brain does it in which he 's sort of imagining that , individual frequency channels are coming up with their own estimate , of {disfmarker} of these , these kinds of {disfmarker} something like this . Might not be , you know , exact features that , Jakobson thought of or something . But I mean you know some , something like that . Some kind of low - level features , which are not , fully , you know , phone classification . And the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} th this particular image , of how thi how it 's done , is that , then given all of these estimates at that level , there 's a level above it , then which is {disfmarker} is making , some kind of sound unit classification such as , you know , phone and {disfmarker} and , you know . You could argue what , what a sound unit should be , and {disfmarker} and so forth . But that {disfmarker} that 's sort of what I was imagining doing , um , and {disfmarker} but it 's still open within that whether you would have an intermediate level in which it was actually phones , or not . You wouldn't necessarily have to . Um , but , Again , I wouldn't wanna , wouldn't want what we {disfmarker} we produced to be so , know , local in perspective that it {disfmarker} it was matched , what we were thinking of doing one week , And {disfmarker} and , and , you know , what you 're saying is absolutely right . That , that if we , can we should put in , uh , another level of , of description there if we 're gonna get into some of this low - level stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , um {disfmarker} I mean if we 're talking about , having the , annotators annotate these kinds of features , it seems like , You know , you {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the question is , do they do that on , meeting data ? Or do they do that on , Switchboard ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I was saying ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "W Well it seems like you could do both .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "maybe meeting data isn't the right corpus .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I was thinking that it would be interesting , to do it with respect to , parts of Switchboard anyway , in terms of ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} partly to see , if you could , generate first guesses at what the articulatory feature would be , based on the phone representation at that lower level .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It might be a time gain . But also in terms of comparability of , um ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well cuz the yeah , and then also , if you did it on Switchboard , you would have , the full continuum of transcriptions .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "what you gain Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "You 'd have it , from the lowest level , the ac acoustic features , then you 'd have the , you know , the phonetic level that Steve did ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that {disfmarker} that 's all I was thinking about .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And you could tell that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it is telephone band , so , the bandwidth might be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be a complete , set then .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And you get the relative gain up ahead .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It 's so it 's a little different . So I mean i we 'll see wha how much we can , uh , get the people to do , and how much money we 'll have and all this sort of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} it might be good to do what Jane was saying uh , you know , seed it , with , guesses about what we think the features are , based on , you know , the phone or Steve 's transcriptions or something . to make it quicker .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but , Might be do both .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so based on the phone transcripts they would all be synchronous , but then you could imagine , nudging them here and there .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Adjusting ? Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Scoot the voicing over a little , because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well I think what {disfmarker} I mean I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm a l little behind in what they 're doing , now , and , uh , the stuff they 're doing on Switchboard now . But I think that , Steve and the gang are doing , something with an automatic system first and then doing some adjustment . As I re as I recall . So I mean that 's probably the right way to go anyway , is to {disfmarker} is to start off with an automatic system with a pretty rich pronunciation dictionary that , that , um , you know , tries , to label it all . And then , people go through and fix it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So in {disfmarker} in our case you 'd think about us s starting with maybe the regular dictionary entry , and then ? Or {pause} would we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well , regular dictionary , I mean , this is a pretty rich dictionary . It 's got , got a fair number of pronunciations in it",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Or you could start from the {disfmarker} if we were gonna , do the same set , of sentences that Steve had , done , we could start with those transcriptions .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So I was thinking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's actually what I was thinking , is tha {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "the problem is when you run , uh , if you run a regular dictionary , um , even if you have variants , in there , which most people don't , you don't always get , out , the actual pronunciations ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so that 's why the human transcriber 's giving you the {disfmarker} that pronunciation ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Actually maybe they 're using phone recognizers .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and so y they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} I thought that they were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Is that what they 're doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "They are .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "we should catch up on what Steve is ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} I think that would be a good i good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I think that i i we also don't have , I mean , we 've got a good start on it , but we don't have a really good , meeting , recorder or recognizer or transcriber or anything yet , so . So , I mean another way to look at this is to , is to , uh , do some stuff on Switchboard which has all this other , stuff to it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And then , um , As we get , further down the road and we can do more things ahead of time , we can , do some of the same things to the meeting data .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm {disfmarker} and these people might {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they are , s most of them are trained with IPA .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "They 'd be able to do phonetic - level coding , or articulatory .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Are they busy for the next couple years , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , I mean they , they {disfmarker} they 're interested in continuing working with us , so {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} I , and this would be up their alley , so , we could {disfmarker} when the {disfmarker} when you d meet with , with John Ohala and find , you know what taxonomy you want to apply , then , they 'd be , good to train onto it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Anyway , this is , not an urgent thing at all ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "just it came up .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be very interesting though , to have {pause} that data .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think so , too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I wonder , how would you do a forced alignment ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Interesting idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "To {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} I mean , you 'd wanna iterate , somehow . Yeah . It 's interesting thing to think about .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It might be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean you 'd {disfmarker} you 'd want models for spreading .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking it might be n",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Of the f acoustic features ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well it might be neat to do some , phonetic , features on these , nonword words . Are {disfmarker} are these kinds of words that people never {disfmarker} the \" huh \"s and the \" hmm \"s and the \" huh \" {vocalsound} and the uh {disfmarker} These k No , I 'm serious . There are all these kinds of {pause} functional , uh , elements . I don't know what you call {pause} them . But not just fill pauses but all kinds of ways of {pause} interrupting {comment} and so forth .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And some of them are , {vocalsound} yeah , \" uh - huh \"s , and \" hmm \"s , and , \" hmm ! \" \" hmm \" {comment} \" OK \" , \" uh \" {comment} Grunts , uh , that might be interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "He 's got lip {disfmarker} {pause} lipsmacks .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "In the meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We should move on .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , new version of , uh , presegmentation ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , oh yeah , um , {vocalsound} I worked a little bit on the {disfmarker} on the presegmentation to {disfmarker} to get another version which does channel - specific , uh , speech - nonspeech detection . And , what I did is I used some normalized features which , uh , look in into the {disfmarker} which is normalized energy , uh , energy normalized by the mean over the channels and by the , minimum over the , other . within each channel . And to {disfmarker} to , mm , to , yeah , to normalize also loudness and {disfmarker} and modified loudness and things and that those special features actually are in my feature vector .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , and , therefore to be able to , uh , somewhat distinguish between foreground and background speech in {disfmarker} in the different {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} each channel . And , eh , I tested it on {disfmarker} on three or four meetings and it seems to work , well yeah , fairly well , I {disfmarker} I would say . There are some problems with the lapel mike .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Of course .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wow that 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I understand that 's what you were saying about your problem with , minimum .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And . Yeah , and {disfmarker} and I had {disfmarker} I had , uh , specific problems with .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I get it . So new use ninetieth quartile , rather than , minimum .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} yeah , then {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I did some {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some things like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "as there {disfmarker} there are some {disfmarker} some problems in , when , in the channel , there {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} the the speaker doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't talk much or doesn't talk at all . Then , the , yeah , there are {disfmarker} there are some problems with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with n with normalization , and , then , uh , there the system doesn't work at all . So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm glad that there is the {disfmarker} the digit part , where everybody is forced to say something ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so , that 's {disfmarker} that 's great for {disfmarker} for my purpose . And , the thing is I {disfmarker} I , then the evaluation of {disfmarker} of the system is a little bit hard , as I don't have any references .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well we did the hand {disfmarker} the one by hand .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's the one {disfmarker} one wh where I do the training on so I can't do the evaluation on So the thing is , can the transcribers perhaps do some , some {disfmarker} some meetings in {disfmarker} in terms of speech - nonspeech in {disfmarker} in the specific channels ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Well won't you have that from their transcriptions ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK , so , now we need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No , cuz we need is really tight .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so , um , I think I might have done what you 're requesting , though I did it in the service of a different thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I have thirty minutes that I 've more tightly transcribed with reference to individual channels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK , that 's great . That 's great for me . Yeah , so .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I could {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully that 's not the same meeting that we did .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , actually it 's a different meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , e so the , you know , we have the , th they transcribe as if it 's one channel with these {disfmarker} with the slashes to separate the overlapping parts .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then we run it through {disfmarker} then it {disfmarker} then I 'm gonna edit it and I 'm gonna run it through channelize which takes it into Dave Gelbart 's form format .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you have , all these things split across according to channel , and then that means that , if a person contributed more than once in a given , overlap during that time bend that {disfmarker} that two parts of the utterance end up together , it 's the same channel ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then I took his tool , and last night for the first thirty minutes of one of these transcripts , I , tightened up the , um , boundaries on individual speakers ' channels ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "cuz his {disfmarker} his interface allows me to have total flexibility in the time tags across the channels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {pause} um , so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "so , yeah {disfmarker} yeah , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's great , but what would be nice to have some more meetings , not just one meeting to {disfmarker} to be sure that {disfmarker} that , there is a system ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , current {disfmarker} This week .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Might not be what you need .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so if we could get a couple meetings done with that level of precision I think that would be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Uh , how {disfmarker} how m much time {disfmarker} so the meetings vary in length , what are we talking about in terms of the number of minutes you 'd like to have as your {disfmarker} as your training set ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It seems to me that it would be good to have , a few minutes from {disfmarker} from different meetings , so . But I 'm not sure about how much .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , now you 're saying different meetings because of different speakers or because of different audio quality or both or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Both {disfmarker} both . Different {disfmarker} different number of speakers , different speakers , different {pause} conditions .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we don't have that much variety in meetings yet , uh , I mean we have this meeting and the feature meeting and we have a couple others that we have uh , couple examples of . But {disfmarker} but , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , m Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Even probably with the gains {pause} differently will affect it , you mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , not really as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Poten - potentially .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "uh , because of the normalization , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cuz you use the normalization ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We can try running {disfmarker} we haven't done this yet because , um , uh , Andreas an is {disfmarker} is gonna move over the SRI recognizer . i basically I ran out of machines at SRI ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "cuz we 're running the evals and I just don't have machine time there . But , once that 's moved over , uh , hopefully in a {disfmarker} a couple days , then , we can take , um , what Jane just told us about as , the presegmented , {vocalsound} {nonvocalsound} the {disfmarker} the segmentations that you did , at level eight or som {comment} at some , threshold that Jane , tha {pause} right , and try doing , forced alignment . um , on the word strings .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , shoot !",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The pre presegment",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "With the recognizer ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And if it 's good , then that will {disfmarker} that may give you a good boundary . Of course if it 's good , we don't {disfmarker} then we 're {disfmarker} we 're fine ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . M",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but , I don't know yet whether these , segments that contain a lot of pauses around the words , will work or not .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I would quite like to have some manually transcribed references for {disfmarker} for the system , as I 'm not sure if {disfmarker} if it 's really good to compare with {disfmarker} with some other automatic , found boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , if we were to start with this and then tweak it h manually , would that {disfmarker} that would be OK ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {pause} sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They might be OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} you know it really depends on a lot of things ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but , I would have maybe a transciber , uh , look at the result of a forced alignment and then adjust those .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . To a adjust them , or , yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That might save some time .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "If they 're horrible it won't help at all , but they might not be horrible .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} but I 'll let you know when we , uh , have that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "How many minutes would you want from {disfmarker} I mean , we could {pause} easily , get a section , you know , like say a minute or so , from every meeting that we have so f from the newer ones that we 're working on , everyone that we have . And then , should provide this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "If it 's not the first minute of {disfmarker} of the meeting , that {disfmarker} that 's OK with me , but , in {disfmarker} in the first minute , uh , Often there are some {disfmarker} some strange things going on which {disfmarker} which aren't really , well , for , which {disfmarker} which aren't re re really good . So . What {disfmarker} what I 'd quite like , perhaps , is , to have , some five minutes of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of different meetings , so .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Somewhere not in the very beginning , five minutes , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , then I wanted to ask you just for my inter information , then , would you , be trai cuz I don't quite unders so , would you be training then , um , the segmenter so that , it could , on the basis of that , segment the rest of the meeting ? So , if I give you like {pause} five minutes is the idea that this would then be applied to , uh , to , providing tighter time {pause} bands ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I could do a {disfmarker} a retraining with that , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wow , interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but I hope that I {disfmarker} I don't need to do it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So , uh it c can be do in an unsupervised way .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Excellent , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure , but , for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for those three meetings whi which I {disfmarker} which I did , it seems to be , quite well , but , there are some {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} as I said some problems with the lapel mike , but , perhaps we can do something with {disfmarker} with cross - correlations to , to get rid of the {disfmarker} of those . And . Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's what I {disfmarker} that 's my {pause} future work . Well {disfmarker} well what I want to do is to {disfmarker} to look into cross - correlations for {disfmarker} for removing those , false overlaps .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Are the , um , wireless , different than the wired , mikes , at all ? I mean , have you noticed any difference ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure , um , if {disfmarker} if there are any wired mikes in those meetings , or , uh , I have {disfmarker} have to loo have a look at them but , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I think there 's no difference between ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just the lapel versus everything else ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so then , if that 's five minutes per meeting we 've got like twelve minutes , twelve meetings , roughly , that I 'm {disfmarker} that I 've been working with , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of the meetings that you 're working with , how many of them are different , tha",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "are there any of them that are different than , these two meetings ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} oh wa in terms of the speakers or the conditions or the ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , speakers . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , we have different combinations of speakers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , just from what I 've seen , uh , there are some where , um , you 're present or not present , and , then {disfmarker} then you have the difference between the networks group and this group",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know , some of the NSA meetings , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I didn't know in the group you had if you had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so you have the networks meeting ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep , we do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Do you have any of Jerry 's meetings in your , pack , er ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , no .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We could , I mean you {disfmarker} you recorded one last week or so . I could get that new one in this week {disfmarker} I get that new one in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . u",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We 're gonna be recording them every {pause} Monday ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz I think he really needs variety ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and having as much variety for speaker certainly would be a big part of that I think .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so if I , OK , included {disfmarker} include , OK , then , uh , if I were to include all together samples from twelve meetings that would only take an hour and I could get the transcribers to do that right {disfmarker} I mean , what I mean is , that would be an hour sampled , and then they 'd transcribe those {disfmarker} that hour , right ? That 's what I should do ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't mean transcribe",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Ye - But you 're {disfmarker} y",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} I mean adjust . So they get it into the multi - channel format and then adjust the timebands so it 's precise .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So that should be faster than the ten times kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . I did {disfmarker} I did , um , uh , so , last night I did , uh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh gosh , well , last night , I did about half an hour in , three hours , which is not , terrific ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but , um , anyway , it 's an hour and a half per {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that 's probably .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I can't calculate on my , {vocalsound} on my feet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Do the transcribers actually start wi with , uh , transcribing new meetings , or {pause} are they ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , um they 're still working {disfmarker} they still have enough to finish that I haven't assigned a new meeting ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but the next , m m I was about to need to assign a new meeting and I was going to take it from one of the new ones ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and I could easily give them Jerry Feldman 's meeting , no problem . And , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So they 're really running out of , data , prett I mean that 's good .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , that first set .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Um , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They 're running out of data unless we s make the decision that we should go over and start , uh , transcribing the other set .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "There {disfmarker} the first {disfmarker} the first half .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so I was in the process of like editing them but this is wonderful news .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We funded the experiment with , uh {disfmarker} also we were thinking maybe applying that that to getting the , Yeah , that 'll be , very useful to getting the overlaps to be more precise all the way through .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So this , blends nicely into the update on transcripts .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it does . So , um , {comment} um , Liz , and {disfmarker} and Don , and I met this morning , in the BARCO room , with the lecture hall ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , please . Go ahead . And this afternoon .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and this afternoon , it drifted into the afternoon , {comment} {vocalsound} uh , concerning this issue of , um , the , well there 's basically the issue of the interplay between the transcript format and the processing that , they need to do for , the SRI recognizer . And , um , well , so , I mentioned the process that I 'm going through with the data , so , you know , I get the data back from the transcri Well , s uh , metaphorically , get the data back from the transcriber , and then I , check for simple things like spelling errors and things like that . And , um , I 'm going to be doing a more thorough editing , with respect to consistency of the conventions . But they 're {disfmarker} they 're generally very good . And , then , I run it through , uh , the channelize program to get it into the multi - channel format , OK . And {pause} the , what we discussed this morning , I would summarize as saying that , um , these units that result , in a {disfmarker} a particular channel and a particular timeband , at {disfmarker} at that level , um , vary in length . And , um , {nonvocalsound} their recognizer would prefer that the units not be overly long . But it 's really an empirical question , whether the units we get at this point through , just that process I described might be sufficient for them . So , as a first pass through , a first chance without having to do a lot of hand - editing , what we 're gonna do , is , I 'll run it through channelize , give them those data after I 've done the editing process and be sure it 's clean . And I can do that , pretty quickly , with just , that minimal editing , without having to hand - break things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And then we 'll see if the units that we 're getting , uh , with the {disfmarker} at that level , are sufficient . And maybe they don't need to be further broken down . And if they do need to be further broken down then maybe it just be piece - wise , maybe it won't be the whole thing . So , that 's {disfmarker} that 's what we were discussing , this morning as far as I {disfmarker} Among {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "also we discussed some adaptational things ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Then lots of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so it 's like ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} You know I hadn't , uh , incorporated , a convention explicitly to handle acronyms , for example , but if someone says , PZM it would be nice to have that be directly interpretable from , the transcript what they said ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "or Pi - uh Tcl {disfmarker} TCL I mean . It 's like y it 's {disfmarker} and so , um , I 've {disfmarker} I 've incorporated also convention , with that but that 's easy to handle at the post editing phase , and I 'll mention it to , transcribers for the next phase but that 's OK . And then , a similar conv uh , convention for numbers . So if they say one - eighty - three versus one eight three . Um , and also I 'll be , um , encoding , as I do my post - editing , the , things that are in curly brackets , which are clarificational material . And eh to incorporate , uh , keyword , at the beginning . So , it 's gonna be either a gloss or it 's gonna be a vocal sound like a , laugh or a cough , or , so forth . Or a non - vocal sound like a doors door - slam , and that can be easily done with a , you know , just a {disfmarker} one little additional thing in the , in the general format .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we j we just needed a way to , strip , you know , all the comments , all the things th the {disfmarker} that linguist wants but the recognizer can't do anything with . Um , but to keep things that we mapped to like reject models , or , you know , uh , mouth noise , or , cough . And then there 's this interesting issue Jane brought up which I hadn't thought about before but I was , realizing as I went through the transcripts , that there are some noises like , um , well the {disfmarker} good example was an inbreath , where a transcriber working from , the mixed , signal , doesn't know whose breath it is ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and they 've been assigning it to someone that may or may not be correct . And what we do is , if it 's a breath sound , you know , a sound from the speaker , we map it , to , a noise model , like a mouth - noise model in the recognizer , and , yeah , it probably doesn't hurt that much once in a while to have these , but , if they 're in the wrong channel , that 's , not a good idea . And then there 's also , things like door - slams that 's really in no one 's channel , they 're like {disfmarker} it 's in the room .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {pause} uh , Jane had this nice , uh , idea of having , like an extra , uh couple tiers ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "An extra channel .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 've been {disfmarker} I 've been adding that to the ones I 've been editing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . And we were thinking , that is useful also when there 's uncertainties . So if they hear a breath and they don't know who breath it is it 's better to put it in that channel than to put it in the speaker 's channel because maybe it was someone else 's breath , or {disfmarker} Uh , so I think that 's a good {disfmarker} you can always clean that up , post - processing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So a lot of little details , but I think we 're , coming to some kinda closure , on that . So the idea is then , uh , Don can take , uh , Jane 's post - processed channelized version , and , with some scripts , you know , convert that to {disfmarker} to a reference for the recognizer and we can , can run these . So {pause} when that 's , ready {disfmarker} you know , as soon as that 's ready , and as soon as the recognizer is here we can get , twelve hours of force - aligned and recognized data . And , you know , start , working on it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "so we 're , I dunno a coup a week or two away I would say from , uh , if {disfmarker} if that process is automatic once we get your post - process , transcript .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And that doesn't {disfmarker} the amount of editing that it would require is not very much either . I 'm just hoping that the units that are provided in that way , {nonvocalsound} will be sufficient cuz I would save a lot of , uh , time , dividing things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , some of them are quite long . Just from {disfmarker} I dunno how long were {disfmarker} you did one ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I saw a couple , {vocalsound} around twenty seconds , and that was just without looking too hard for it , so , I would imagine that there might be some that are longer .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well n One question , e w would that be a single speaker or is that multiple speakers overlapping ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "No . No , but if we 're gonna segment it , like if there 's one speaker in there , that says \" OK \" or something , right in the middle , it 's gonna have a lot of dead time around it ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . It 's not the {disfmarker} it 's not the fact that we can't process a twenty second segment , it 's the fact that , there 's twenty seconds in which to place one word in the wrong place",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You know , if {disfmarker} if someone has a very short utterance there , and that 's where , we , might wanna have this individual , you know , ha have your pre pre - process input .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's very important .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I thought that perhaps the transcribers could start then from the {disfmarker} those mult multi - channel , uh , speech - nonspeech detections , if they would like to .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I just don't know , I have to run it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in doing the hand - marking ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's what I was thinking , too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's probably what will happen , but we 'll try it this way and see .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's probably good enough for force - alignment . If it 's not then we 're really {disfmarker} then we def definitely",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , but for free recognition I 'm {disfmarker} it 'll probably not be good enough . We 'll probably get lots of errors because of the cross - talk , and , noises and things .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good s I think that 's probably our agenda , or starting up there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh I wanted to ask one thing , the microphones {disfmarker} the new microphones ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? K .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "when do we get , uh ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , they said it would take about a week .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , exciting . K . K .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "K .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You ordered them already ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So what happens to our old microphones ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They go where old microphones go .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Do we give them to someone , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well the only thing we 're gonna have extra , for now ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We don't have more receivers , we just have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right , we don so the only thing we 'll have extra now is just the lapel .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker} not the , bodypack , just the lapel .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Just the lapel itself .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , and then one of the {disfmarker} one of those . Since , what I decided to do , on Morgan 's suggestion , was just get two , new microphones , um , and try them out . And then , if we like them we 'll get more .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Since they 're {disfmarker} they 're like two hundred bucks a piece , we won't , uh , at least try them out .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's a replacement for this headset mike ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And they 're gonna do the wiring for us .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "What 's the , um , style of the headset ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's , um , it 's by Crown , and it 's one of these sort of mount around the ear thingies , and , uh , when I s when I mentioned that we thought it was uncomfortable he said it was a common problem with the Sony . And this is how apparently a lot of people are getting around it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And I checked on the web , and every site I went to , raved about this particular mike . It 's apparently comfortable and stays on the head well , so we 'll see if it 's any good . But , uh , I think it 's promising .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You said it was used by aerobics instructors ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": " Yep . Yep , so it was {disfmarker} it was advertised for performers",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That says a lot .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "For the recor for the record Adam is not a paid employee or a consultant of Crown .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "I said \" For the record Adam is {disfmarker} is not a paid consultant or employee of Crown \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "However , he may be solicited after these meetings are distributed .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well we 're using the Crown P Z",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Don't worry about finishing your dissertation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "These are Crown aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The P Z Ms are Crown , aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I thought they were .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You bet . You bet .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And they work very well .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So if we go to a workshop about all this {disfmarker} this it 's gonna be a meeting about meetings about meetings . OK . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And then it {disfmarker} we have to go to the planning session for that workshop .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , what {disfmarker} Which 'll be the meeting about the meeting about the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , god .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz then it would be a meeting about the meeting about the meeting about meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Just start saying \" M four \" . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . M to the fourth .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Should we do the digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep , go for it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S {pause} s",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Pause between the lines , remember ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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],
"topic": "Status of recording data"
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],
"topic": "Proposal for a grant"
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"topic": "Speaker overlap"
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"topic": "Transcription procedures"
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{
"answer": "The group talked about the status of the first test set of digits data, naming conventions for files, speaker identification tags, and encoding files with details about the recording. The group also discussed a proposal for a grant from the NSF's ITR (Information Technology Research) program, transcriptions, and efforts by speaker mn005 to detect speaker overlap using harmonicity-related features. Particular focus was paid to questions about transcription procedures, i.e. how to deal with overlooked backchannels, and audible breaths.",
"query": "What was the meeting about?"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "A small percentage of transcripts will be changed to reflect mis-read, uncorrected digits. A speaker database will be compiled to establish consistent links between speakers and their corresponding identification tags. ",
"query": "What problems and solutions were discussed about the recording data?",
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"86"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The first test set of digits is complete and includes 4,000 lines, each comprising between 1-10 digits. New digits forms were distributed for eliciting different prosodic groupings of numbers. New naming conventions were discussed as means for facilitating the sorting process. Existing files will be changed so that all filenames are of equal length. Similar changes will be made to speaker identification tags. Files will also contain information specifying channel, microphone, and broadcaster information.",
"query": "What was the status of the recording data?",
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"55",
"112"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The transcribers should only code audible breaths within a grouping of words, and not outside regions of continuous speech. It was further determined that audible breaths are an important facet of recorded speech, and that removing them from the corpus would be contrary to the aims of the project. Speaker mn005 will prepare his results for detecting speaker overlap and present them in the next meeting.",
"query": "What were the instructions for the transcribers?",
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},
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"answer": "Transcribers are likely to overlook backchannels in densely populated sections of speaker overlap. Speaker mn014 reported that this is also problematic for the automatic detection of speech and non-speech, as backchannels that are very short and not loud enough will inevitably be overlooked. Speaker mn005 reported problems distinguishing between possible harmonics and other frequency peaks, and creating an algorithm for obtaining the instantaneous frequency. The encoding of all audible breaths is too time-consuming.",
"query": "What problems were encountered with transcriptions?",
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}
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK we 're on and we seem to be working .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We didn't crash {disfmarker} we 're not crashing anymore",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "One , two , three , four , f",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and it really bothers me .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No crashing .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I do . I crashed when I started this morning .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You crashed {disfmarker} crashed this morning ? I did not crash this morning .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know , how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Really ? Yeah . Maybe , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "First time {disfmarker} first time in the day , you know .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe it 's once you 've {pause} done enough meetings {comment} it won't crash on you anymore .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a matter of experience .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Self - learning , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do we have an agenda ? Liz {disfmarker} Liz and Andreas can't sh can't {disfmarker} uh , can't come .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I do .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , they won't be here .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I have agenda and it 's all me .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Did {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz no one sent me anything else .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Did they send , uh , the messages to you about the meeting today ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea but I just got it a few minutes ago .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right when you were in my office it arrived .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK , cuz I checked my mail . I didn't have anything .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ? I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right , so {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I was just gonna talk briefly about the NSF ITR .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , great .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and then , you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Can w",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I won't say much , but {disfmarker} {comment} uh , but then , uh , you said {disfmarker} wanna talk about digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I have a short thing about digits and then uh I wanna talk a little bit about naming conventions , although it 's unclear whether this is the right place to talk about it . So maybe just talk about it very briefly and take the details to the people who {disfmarker} for whom it 's relevant .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I could always say something about transcription . I 've been {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} uh , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Well if we {disfmarker} Yeah , we shouldn't add things in just to add things in . I 'm actually pretty busy today ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "so if we can {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "a short meeting would be fine .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "This does sound like we 're doing fine , yeah . That won't do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So the only thing I wanna say about digits is , we are pretty much done with the first test set . There are probably forms here and there that are marked as having been read that weren't really read . So I won't really know until I go through all the transcriber forms and extract out pieces that are in error . So I wa Uh . Two things . The first is what should we do about digits that were misread ? My opinion is , um , we should just throw them out completely , and have them read again by someone else . You know , the grouping is completely random ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "so it {disfmarker} it 's perfectly fine to put a {disfmarker} a group together again of errors and have them re - read , just to finish out the test set .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Oh ! By {disfmarker} throw them out completely ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Um , the other thing you could do is change the transcript to match what they really said . So those are {disfmarker} those are the two options .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "But there 's often things where people do false starts . I know I 've done it , where I say {disfmarker} say a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "What the transcribers did with that is if they did a correction , and they eventually did read the right string , {comment} you extract the right string .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Oh , you 're talking about where they completely read the wrong string and didn't correct it ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And didn't notice . Which happens in a few places .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Well , and s and you 're talking string - wise , you 're not talking about the entire page ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "Correct .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "I get it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "And so the {disfmarker} the two options are change the transcript to match what they really said , but then {disfmarker} but then the transcript isn't the Aurora test set anymore . I don't think that really matters because the conditions are so different . And that would be a little easier .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Well how many are {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how often does that happen ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , five or six times .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so it 's not very much .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's not much at all .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Seems like we should just change the transcripts",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "to match .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's five or six times out of {pause} thousands ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Four thousand .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Four thousand ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Four thous Ah ! Four thousand .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I would , uh , {vocalsound} tak do the easy way ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it 's kinda nice {disfmarker} I mean , wh who knows what studies people will be doing on {disfmarker} on speaker - dependent things",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and so I think having {disfmarker} having it all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "the speakers who we had is {disfmarker} is at least interesting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} um , how many digits have been transcribed now ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Four thousand lines . And each line is between one and about ten digits .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Four thousand lines ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I didn't {disfmarker} I didn't compute the average . I think the average was around four or five .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's a couple hours of {disfmarker} of , uh , speech , probably .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Which is a yeah reasonable {disfmarker} reasonable test set .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And , Jane , I do have a set of forms which I think you have copies of somewhere .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh you do ? Oh OK , good , good .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was just wond I thought I had {disfmarker} had all of them back from you . And then the other thing is that , uh , the forms in front of us here that we 're gonna read later , were suggested by Liz",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , not yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
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"content": "because she wanted to elicit some different prosodics from digits . And so , uh , I just wanted people to , take a quick look at the instructions",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Eight eight two two two nine .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "and the way it wa worked and see if it makes sense and if anyone has any comments on it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "I see . And the decision here , uh , was to continue with uh the words rather than the {disfmarker} the numerics .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Uh , yes , although we could switch it back . The problem was O and zero . Although we could switch it back and tell them always to say \" zero \" or always to say \" O \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Or neither .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But it 's just two thing {disfmarker} ways that you can say it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get at natural groupings , but it {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the problem also is she did want to stick with digits . I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals , {comment} they might say forty - three instead of four three .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , if there 's space , though , between them . I mean , you can {disfmarker} With {disfmarker} when you space them out they don't look like , uh , forty - three anymore .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , she and I were talking about it ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "She 's right . It 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's a different problem . I mean it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker} it 's an interesting problem {disfmarker} I mean , we 've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people {disfmarker} If you say s \" three nine eight one \" sometimes people will say \" thirty - nine eighty - one \" or \" three hundred {disfmarker} three hundred eighty - nine one \" , or {disfmarker} I don't think they 'd say that ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but th",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Not very frequently",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
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"content": "no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but , {vocalsound} they certainly could .",
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},
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"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke about",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , we 're probably gonna be collecting meetings for a while and if we decide we still wanna do some digits later we might be able to do some different ver different versions ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Do something different ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but this is the next suggestion ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "so . OK . OK , so uh e l I guess , let me , uh , get my {disfmarker} my short thing out about the NSF . I sent this {disfmarker} actually this is maybe a little side thing . Um , I {disfmarker} I sent to what I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was \" M {disfmarker} MTG RCDR hyphen joint \" .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It was . Joint . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} That 's because they set the one up at UW {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub {comment} side .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might just wanna mail to Mari",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} no , th I got {disfmarker} I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK , good .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So the moderator actually did repost it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I had sent one earlier {disfmarker} Actually the same thing happened to me {disfmarker} I had sent one earlier . The message says , \" You 'll be informed \" and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just to prevent spam .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I see . Yeah so O {disfmarker} OK . Well , anyway , I guess {disfmarker} everybody here {disfmarker} Are y are {disfmarker} you are on that list , right ? So you got the note ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on {disfmarker} on more {disfmarker} more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from {disfmarker} I guess higher level from my point of view . Uh , {vocalsound} and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh {disfmarker} so is i for {disfmarker} it was a {vocalsound} proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation . It 's the {pause} second year of their doing , uh , these grants . They 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} a lot of them are {disfmarker} some of them anyway , are larger {disfmarker} larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and . So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we {disfmarker} we , uh , got through that . And so th the {disfmarker} the next phase will be {disfmarker} we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal . And I 'm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hope to be doing very little of it . And {disfmarker} uh , {vocalsound} which was also true for the pre - proposal , so . Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it . So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "When 's {disfmarker} when 's the full proposal due ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I think April ninth , or something . So it 's about a month .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "p s",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And they said end of business day you could check on the reviewer forms ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "u",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Tomorrow .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Tomorrow . March second , I said .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Tomorrow ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 've been a day off all week .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Tomorrow .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I guess that 's a good thing cuz that way I got my papers done early .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It would be interesting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It is . It is actually quite amazing .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . My favorite is was when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when one reviewer says , uh , \" you know , this should be far more detailed \" , and the nex the next reviewer says , \" you know , there 's way too much detail \" .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Or \" this is way too general \" , and the other reviewer says , \" this is way too specific \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "\" This is way too hard \" , \" way too easy \" .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "We 'll see . Maybe there 'll be something useful . And {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well it sounded like they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} the first gate was pretty easy . Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Do you know anything about the numbers ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No . Just {disfmarker} just th",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's just from his message it sounded like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I said something , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Gary Strong 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I should go back and look . I didn't {disfmarker} I don't think that 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . He said the next phase 'll be very , competitive",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Very {disfmarker} very ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because we didn't want to weed out much in the first phase .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well we 'll have to see what the numbers are .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Or something like that ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But they {disfmarker} they have to weed out enough so that they have enough reviewers .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , you know , maybe they didn't r weed out as much as usual , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's usually a pretty {disfmarker} But it {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's certainly not {disfmarker} I 'm sure that it 's not down to one in two or something of what 's left .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure it 's , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how many awards are there , do you know ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well there 's different numbers of w awards for different size {disfmarker} They have three size grants . This one there 's , um {disfmarker} See the small ones are less than five hundred thousand total over three years and that they have a fair number of them . Um , and the large ones are , uh , boy , I forget , I think , more than , uh , more than a million and a half , more than two million or something like that . And {disfmarker} and we 're in the middle {disfmarker} middle category .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was . But , um {disfmarker} Uh , I don't remember , but it 's {pause} pr probably along the li I {disfmarker} I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or {disfmarker} that they 'll fund , or twenty . I mean when they {disfmarker} Do you {disfmarker} do you know how many they funded when they f in {disfmarker} in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I thought it was smaller , that it was like four or five , wasn't it ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well they fund {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh it doesn't matter , we 'll find out one way or another .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean last time I think they just had two categories , small and big ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and this time they came up with a middle one , so it 'll {disfmarker} there 'll be more of them that they fund than {disfmarker} of the big .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "If we end up getting this , um , what will it mean to ICSI in terms of , w wh where will the money go to , what would we be doing with it ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly what we say in the proposal .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I mean uh which part is ICSI though .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You know , it {disfmarker} i None of it will go for those yachts that we 've talking about .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Dang !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , no , I mean it 's {disfmarker} u It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just for the research {disfmarker} to continue the research on the Meeting Recorder stuff ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's extending the research , right ? Because the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator {disfmarker} uh , especially with the newer things {disfmarker} with the more acoustically - oriented things are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are lower level . And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of {disfmarker} of , um , the conversation {disfmarker} of mapping the conversations",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "to different kind of planes . So . Um . But , um . So it 's all it 's all stuff that none none of us are doing right now , or none of us are funded for , so it 's {disfmarker} so it 's {disfmarker} it would be new .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So assuming everybody 's completely busy now , it means we 're gonna hafta , hire more students , or , something ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well there 's evenings , and there 's weekends , and {disfmarker} Uh . Yeah , there {disfmarker} there would be {disfmarker} there would be new hires , and {disfmarker} and there {disfmarker} there would be expansion , but , also , there 's always {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for everybody there 's {disfmarker} there 's always things that are dropping off , grants that are ending , or other things that are ending , so ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "there 's {disfmarker} there 's a {vocalsound} continual need to {disfmarker} to bring in new things .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but there definitely would be new {disfmarker} new {disfmarker} new , uh , students ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and so forth , both at {disfmarker} at UW and here .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Are there any students in your class who are {vocalsound} expressing interest ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um , not {pause} clear yet . Not clear yet .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Other than the one who 's already here .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I mean we got {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} yeah , two of them are {disfmarker} two in the c There 're {pause} two in the class already here , and then {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} uh , then there 's a third who 's doing a project here , who , uh {disfmarker} But he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he won't be in the country that long ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and , maybe another will end up .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Actually there is one other guy who 's looking {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's that guy , uh , Jeremy ? {comment} I think .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , yeah that 's {disfmarker} that 's all I was gonna say is that {disfmarker} that that 's {disfmarker} you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and , {vocalsound} it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in {disfmarker} in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know {disfmarker} We 'll see what happens . Uh , the last one was {disfmarker} that you had there , {comment} was about naming ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . It just , uh {disfmarker} we 've been cutting up sound files , in {disfmarker} for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition . And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming . So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier . Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "same number of characters so that when you 're sorting filenames you can easily extract out bits and pieces that you want . And that 's easy enough to do . And I don't think we have so many meetings that that 's a big deal just to change the names . So that means , uh , instead of calling it \" MR one \" , \" MR two \" , you 'd call it \" MRM zero zero one \" , \" MRM zero zero two \" , things like that . Just so that they 're {disfmarker} they 're all the same length .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , when you , do things like that you can always {disfmarker} as long as you have {disfmarker} uh , you can always search from the beginning or the end of the string .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "The problem is that they 're a lot of fields .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "You know , so \" zero zero two \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Alright ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "so we {disfmarker} we have th we 're gonna have the speaker ID , the session , uh {disfmarker} uh , information on the microphones ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , your example was really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "information on the speak on the channels and all that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "And so if each one of those is a fixed length , the sorting becomes a lot easier .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "She wanted to keep them {vocalsound} the same lengths across different meetings also . So like , the NSA meeting lengths , {comment} all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And as I said , the it 's {disfmarker} we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz of digits .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures . And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I would think though that the transcribe {disfmarker} the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "so , it 's a different {pause} set .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "I would change them to match . So instead of being MR one it would be MRM zero zero one . But I don't think that 's a big deal .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Fine . Fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "So for {disfmarker} for m the meetings we were thinking about three letters and three numbers for meeting I Ds . Uh , for speakers , M or F and then three numbers , For , uh {disfmarker} and , uh , that also brings up the point that we have to start assembling a speaker database so that we get those links back and forth and keep it consistent . Um , and then , uh , the microphone issues . We want some way of specifying , more than looking in the \" key \" file , what channel and what mike . What channel , what mike , and what broadcaster . Or {disfmarker} I don't know how to s say it . So I mean with this one it 's this particular headset with this particular transmitter w {pause} as a wireless .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And you know that one is a different headset and different channel . And so we just need some naming conventions on that .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "that 's gonna become especially important once we start changing the microphone set - up . We have some new microphones that I 'd like to start trying out , um , once I test them . And then we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll need to specify that somewhere . So I was just gonna do a fixed list of , uh , microphones and types .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , as I said {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , {pause} {vocalsound} since we have such a short agenda list I guess I wi I will ask how {disfmarker} how are the transcriptions going ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the news is that I 've {disfmarker} I uh {disfmarker} s So {disfmarker} in s um {disfmarker} So I 've switched to {disfmarker} Start my new sentence . I {disfmarker} I switched to doing the channel - by - channel transcriptions to provide , uh , the {disfmarker} uh , tighter time bins for {disfmarker} partly for use in Thilo 's work and also it 's of relevance to other people in the project . And , um , I discovered in the process a couple of {disfmarker} of interesting things , which , um , one of them is that , um , it seems that there are time lags involved in doing this , uh , uh , using an interface that has so much more complexity to it . And I {disfmarker} and I wanted to maybe ask , uh , Chuck to help me with some of the questions of efficiency . Maybe {disfmarker} I was thinking maybe the best way to do this in the long run may be to give them single channel parts and then piece them together later . And I {disfmarker} I have a script , I can piece them together . I mean , so it 's like , I {disfmarker} I know that I can take them apart and put them together and I 'll end up with the representation which is where the real power of that interface is .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of {disfmarker} of , uh , utterances to check through .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm a little confused . I thought that {disfmarker} that one of the reason we thought we were so much faster than {disfmarker} than , uh , the {disfmarker} the other transcription , uh , thing was that {disfmarker} that we were using the mixed {pause} file .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes . OK . But , um , with the mixed , when you have an overlap , you only have a {disfmarker} a choice of one start and end time for that entire overlap , which means that you 're not tightly , uh , tuning the individual parts th of that overlap by different speakers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So someone may have only said two words in that entire big chunk of overlap .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And for purposes of {disfmarker} of , uh , things like {disfmarker} well , so things like training the speech - nonspeech segmentation thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Th - it 's necessary to have it more tightly tuned than that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And w and w and , you know , is a It would be wonderful if , uh , it 's possible then to use that algorithm to more tightly tie in all the channels after that but , um , you know , I 've {disfmarker} th the {disfmarker} So , I I don't know exactly where that 's going at this point . But m I was experimenting with doing this by hand and I really do think that it 's wise that we 've had them start the way we have with , uh , m y working off the mixed signal , um , having the interface that doesn't require them to do the ti uh , the time bins for every single channel at a t uh , through the entire interaction .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I did discover a couple other things by doing this though , and one of them is that , um , um , once in a while a backchannel will be overlooked by the transcriber .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "As you might expect ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "because when it 's a b backchannel could well happen in a very densely populated overlap . And if we 're gonna study types of overlaps , which is what I wanna do , an analysis of that , then that really does require listening {comment} to every single channel all the way through the entire {comment} length for all the different speakers . Now , for only four speakers , that 's not gonna be too much time , but if it 's nine speakers , then that i that is more time . So it 's li you know , kind of wondering {disfmarker} And I think again it 's like this {disfmarker} it 's really valuable that Thilo 's working on the speech - nonspeech segmentation because maybe , um , we can close in on that wi without having to actually go to the time that it would take to listen to every single channel from start to finish through every single meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but those backchannels will always be a problem I think . Uh especially if they 're really short and they 're not very loud and so it {disfmarker} it can {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it will always happen that also the automatic s detection system will miss some of them , so .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well so then {disfmarker} then , maybe the answer is to , uh , listen especially densely in places of overlap ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "just so that they 're {disfmarker} they 're not being overlooked because of that , and count on accuracy during the sparser phases .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz there are large s spaces of the {disfmarker} That 's a good point . There are large spaces where there 's no overlap at all . Someone 's giving a presentation ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or whatever . That 's {disfmarker} that 's a good {disfmarker} that 's a good thought . And , um , let 's see , there was one other thing I was gonna say . I {disfmarker} I think it 's really interesting data to work with , I have to say , it 's very enjoyable . I really , not {disfmarker} not a problem spending time with these data . Really interesting . And not just because I 'm in there . No , it 's real interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well I think it 's a short meeting . Uh , you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're still in the midst of what you 're doing from what you described last time , I assume ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Is true .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I haven't results , eh , yet",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but , eh , I {disfmarker} I 'm continue working with the mixed signal now , {comment} after the {disfmarker} the last experience .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I 'm tried to {disfmarker} to , uh , adjust the {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to improve , eh , an harmonicity , eh , detector that , eh , I {disfmarker} I implement .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But I have problem because , eh , I get , eh , eh , very much harmonics now .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um , harmonic {disfmarker} possi possible harmonics , uh , eh , and now I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm trying to {disfmarker} to find , eh , some kind of a , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of h of help , eh , using the energy to {disfmarker} to distinguish between possible harmonics , and {disfmarker} and other fre frequency peaks , that , eh , corres not harmonics . And , eh , I have to {disfmarker} to talk with y with you , with the group , eh , about the instantaneous frequency , because I have , eh , an algorithm , and , I get , mmm , eh , t t results {disfmarker} similar results , like , eh , the paper , eh , that I {disfmarker} I am following . But , eh , the {disfmarker} the rules , eh , that , eh , people used in the paper to {disfmarker} to distinguish the harmonics , is {disfmarker} doesn't work well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I not sure that i {vocalsound} eh , the {disfmarker} the way {disfmarker} o to {disfmarker} ob the way to obtain the {disfmarker} the instantaneous frequency is {pause} right , or it 's {disfmarker} it 's not right . Eh ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I haven't enough file feeling to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to distinguish what happened .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'd like to talk with you about it . If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if , uh {disfmarker} If I don't have enough time and y you wanna discuss with someone else {disfmarker} some someone else besides us that you might want to talk to , uh , might be Stephane .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I talked with Stephane and {disfmarker} and Thilo",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and {disfmarker} and Thilo , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "they {disfmarker} nnn they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {comment} {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {vocalsound} didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not too experienced with {vocalsound} harmonics",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "they think that {comment} the experience is not enough to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is this the algorithm where you hypothesize a fundamental , and then get the energy for all the harmonics of that fundamental ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , no it 's {disfmarker} No {disfmarker} No . No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then hypothesize a new fundamental and get the energy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's wh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't proth process the {disfmarker} the fundamental . I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I , ehm {disfmarker} I calculate the {disfmarker} the phase derivate using the FFT .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} The algorithm said that , eh , {vocalsound} if you {disfmarker} if you change the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , eh , nnn {disfmarker} the X - the frequency \" X \" , eh , using the in the instantaneous frequency , you can find , eh , how , eh , in several frequencies that proba probably the {disfmarker} the harmonics , eh ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "the errors of peaks {disfmarker} the frequency peaks , eh , eh , move around {pause} these , eh {disfmarker} eh frequency harmonic {disfmarker} the frequency of the harmonic . And , {vocalsound} eh , if you {disfmarker} if you compare the {disfmarker} the instantaneous frequency , {vocalsound} eh , {vocalsound} of the {disfmarker} of the , eh , continuous , eh , {vocalsound} eh , filters , that , eh {disfmarker} that , eh , they used eh , to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to get , eh , the {disfmarker} the instantaneous frequency ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "it probably too , you can find , {vocalsound} eh , that the instantaneous frequency {vocalsound} for the continuous , eh , {vocalsound} eh {disfmarker} the output of the continuous filters are very near . And in {pause} my case {disfmarker} i in {disfmarker} equal with our signal , {vocalsound} it doesn't happened .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'd hafta look at that and think about it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I haven't worked with that either so I 'm not sure {disfmarker} The way {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the simple - minded way I suggested was what Chuck was just saying , is that you could make a {disfmarker} a sieve . You know , y you actually say that here is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's {disfmarker} let 's hypothesize that it 's this frequency or that frequency , and {disfmarker} and , uh , maybe you {disfmarker} maybe you could use some other cute methods to , uh , short cut it by {disfmarker} by uh , making some guesses ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh , I would , uh {disfmarker} I mean you could make some guesses from , uh {disfmarker} from the auto - correlation or something but {disfmarker} but then , given those guesses , try , um , uh , only looking at the energy at multiples of the {disfmarker} of that frequency , and {disfmarker} and see how much of the {disfmarker} take the one that 's maximum . Call that the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Using the energy of the {disfmarker} of the multiple of the frequency .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Of all the harmonics of that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do you hafta do some kind of , uh , low - pass filter before you do that ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I don't use .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But , I {disfmarker} I know many people use , eh , low - pass filter to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to get , eh , the pitch .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No . To get the pitch , yes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't use . To get the pitch , yes .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "To get the pitch , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But the harmonic , no .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But i But the harmonics are gonna be , uh , uh , I don't know what the right word is . Um , they 're gonna be dampened by the uh , vocal tract , right ? The response of the vocal tract .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so {disfmarker} just looking at the energy on those {disfmarker} at the harmonics , is that gonna {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well so the thing is that the {disfmarker} This is for , uh , a , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I m what you 'd like to do is get rid of the effect of the vocal tract . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And just look at the {disfmarker} at {disfmarker} at the signal coming out of the glottis .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , well , yeah that 'd be good .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but I don't know that you need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Open wide !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but I don't need you {disfmarker} know if you need to get rid of it . I mean that 'd {disfmarker} that 'd be nice but I don't know if it 's ess if it 's essential . Um , I mean {disfmarker} cuz I think the main thing is that , uh , you 're trying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "wha what are you doing this for ? You 're trying distinguish between the case where there is , uh {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} where there are more than {disfmarker} uh , where there 's more than one speaker and the case where there 's only one speaker .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So if there 's more than one speaker , um {disfmarker} yeah I guess you could {disfmarker} I guess {disfmarker} yeah you 're {disfmarker} so you 're not distinguished between voiced and unvoiced , so {disfmarker} so , i if you don't {disfmarker} if you don't care about that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "See , if you also wanna {vocalsound} just determine {disfmarker} if you also wanna determine whether it 's unvoiced , {vocalsound} then I think you want to {pause} look {disfmarker} look at high frequencies also , because the f the fact that there 's more energy in the high frequencies is gonna be an ob sort of obvious cue that it 's unvoiced .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But , i i uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean i i but , um , other than that I guess as far as the one person versus two persons , it would be {pause} primarily a low frequency phenomenon . And if you looked at the low frequencies , yes the higher frequencies are gonna {disfmarker} there 's gonna be a spectral slope . The higher frequencies will be lower energy . But so what . I mean {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that 's {disfmarker} that 's w",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I will prepare for the next week eh , all my results about the harmonicity and {pause} will {disfmarker} will try to come in and to discuss here , because , eh , I haven't enough feeling to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to u {vocalsound} many time to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to understand what happened with the {disfmarker} with , eh , so many peaks , eh , eh , and {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I see the harmonics there many time but , eh , {vocalsound} there are a lot of peaks , eh , that , eh , they are not harmonics .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I have to discover what {disfmarker} what is the {disfmarker} the w the best way to {disfmarker} to {comment} {disfmarker} to {comment} c to use them",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , but {disfmarker} yeah I don't think you can {disfmarker} I mean you 're not gonna be able to look at every frame , so I mean {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean I {disfmarker} I really {disfmarker} I I really thought that the best way to do it , and I 'm speaking with no experience on this particular point , but , {vocalsound} my impression was that the best way to do it was however you {disfmarker} You 've used instantaneous frequency , whatever . {comment} However you 've come up {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} with your candidates , you wanna see how much of the energy is in that",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "as coppo as opposed to all of the {disfmarker} all {disfmarker} the total energy . And , um , if it 's voiced , I guess {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so y I think maybe you do need a voiced - unvoiced determination too . But if it 's voiced ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "um , and the , uh {disfmarker} e the fraction of the energy that 's in the harmonic sequence that you 're looking at is relatively low , then it should be {disfmarker} then it 's more likely to be an overlap .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Is height . Yeah . This {disfmarker} this is the idea {disfmarker} the idea I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I had to {disfmarker} to compare the {disfmarker} the ratio of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the energy of the harmonics with the {disfmarker} eh , with the , eh , total energy in the spectrum and try to get a ratio to {disfmarker} to distinguish between overlapping and speech . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But you 're looking a y you 're looking at {disfmarker} Let 's take a second with this . Uh , uh , you 're looking at f at the phase derivative , um , in {disfmarker} in , uh , what domain ? I mean this is {disfmarker} this is in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in bands ? Or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just overall {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker} o i w the band {disfmarker} the band is , eh , from zero to {disfmarker} to four kilohertz . And I {disfmarker} I ot I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And you just take the instantaneous frequency ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I u m t I {disfmarker} I used two m two method {disfmarker} two methods . Eh , one , eh , based on the F {disfmarker} eh , FTT . to FFT to {disfmarker} to obtain the {disfmarker} or to study the harmonics from {disfmarker} from the spectrum directly ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and to study the energy and the multiples of",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "frequency . And another {disfmarker} another algorithm I have is the {disfmarker} in the {pause} instantaneous frequency , based on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the FFT to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to calculate the {disfmarker} the phase derivate in the time . Eh , uh n the d I mean I {disfmarker} I have two {disfmarker} two algorithms .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But , eh , in m {pause} i in my opinion the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the instantaneous frequency , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the behavior , eh , was {disfmarker} th it was very interesting . Because I {disfmarker} I saw {vocalsound} eh , how the spectrum {pause} concentrate , eh ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "around the {disfmarker} the harmonic . But then when I apply the {disfmarker} the rule , eh , of the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} {pause} the instantaneous frequency of the ne of the continuous filter in the {disfmarker} the near filter , the {disfmarker} the rule that , eh , people propose in the paper doesn't work . And I don't know why .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But the instantaneous frequency , wouldn't that give you something more like the central frequency of the {disfmarker} you know , of the {disfmarker} where most of the energy is ? I mean , I think if you {disfmarker} Does i does it {disfmarker} Why would it correspond to pitch ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I not sure . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I try to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "When {vocalsound} first I {disfmarker} {pause} {vocalsound} I calculate , eh , using the FFT ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Di - digital camera .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "and you know about , that in principle we might be able to , um , handle breaths by accessi by using cross - talk from the other things , be able that {disfmarker} in principle , maybe we could get rid of them , so maybe {disfmarker} And I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know , I mean we had this an and I didn't {disfmarker} couldn't get back to you ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "but the question of whether it 'd be possible to eliminate them from the audio signal , which would be the ideal situation ,",
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"content": "and breaths are part of real speech .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "OK , so maybe the question is notating it . Yeah ?",
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"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} i Right . If {disfmarker} if it gets in the way of what somebody is doing with it then you might wanna have some method which will allow you to block it , but you {disfmarker} it 's real data . You don't wanna b but you don't {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "And {disfmarker} breath , you know , everyone breathes , they breathe all the time . And once in a while breath is communicative , but r very rarely . OK , so now , I had a discussion with Chuck about the data structure",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and the idea is that the transcripts will {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} get stored as a master there 'll be a master transcript which has in it everything that 's needed for both of these uses .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "And the one that 's used for speech recognition will be processed via scripts . You know , like , Don 's been writing scripts",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and {disfmarker} and , uh , to process it for the speech recognition side . Discourse side will {vocalsound} have this {disfmarker} this side over he the {disfmarker} we we 'll have a s ch Sorry , not being very fluent here . But , um , this {disfmarker} the discourse side will have a script which will stri strip away the things which are non - communicative . OK . So then the {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's think about the practicalities of how we get to that master copy with reference to breaths . So what I would {disfmarker} r r what I would wonder is would it be possible to encode those automatically ? Could we get a breath detector ?",
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"content": "Oh , just to save the transcribers time .",
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"content": "Well , I mean , you just have no idea . I mean , if you 're getting a breath several times every minute ,",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "and just simply the keystrokes it takes to negotiate , to put the boundaries in , to {disfmarker} to type it in , i it 's just a huge amount of time .",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "And you wanna be sure it 's used , and you wanna be sure it 's done as efficiently as possible , and if it can be done automatically , that would be ideal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "what if you put it in but didn't put the boundaries ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Well , but {disfmarker}",
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"content": "So you just know it 's between these other things ,",
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"content": "Well , OK . So now there 's {disfmarker} there 's another {disfmarker} another possibility",
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"content": "right ?",
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"content": "which is , um , the time boundaries could mark off words {comment} from nonwords . And that would be extremely time - effective , if that 's sufficient .",
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"content": "Yeah I mean I 'm think if it 's too {disfmarker} if it 's too hard for us to annotate the breaths per se , {vocalsound} we are gonna be building up models for these things and these things are somewhat self - aligning , so if {disfmarker} so , {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} i i if we say there is some kind of a thing which we call a \" breath \" or a \" breath - in \" or \" breath - out \" , {vocalsound} the models will learn that sort of thing . Uh , so {disfmarker} but you {disfmarker} but you do want them to point them at some region where {disfmarker} where the breaths really are . So {disfmarker}",
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"content": "OK . But that would maybe include a pause as well ,",
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"content": "and that wouldn't be a problem to have it , uh , pause plus breath plus laugh plus sneeze ?",
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"content": "Yeah , i You know there is {disfmarker} there 's this dynamic tension between {disfmarker} between marking absolutely everything , as you know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and marking just a little bit and counting on the statistical methods . Basically the more we can mark the better . But if there seems to be a lot of effort for a small amount of reward in some area , and this might be one like this {disfmarker} Although I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'd be interested to h get {disfmarker} get input from Liz and Andreas on this to see if they {disfmarker} Cuz they 've - they 've got lots of experience with the breaths in {disfmarker} in , uh , uh , their transcripts .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "They have lots of experience with breathing ?",
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"content": "Actually {disfmarker} Well , {vocalsound} yes they do , but we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we can handle that without them here . But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , uh , you were gonna say something about {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I think , um , one possible way that we could handle it is that , um , you know , as the transcribers are going through , and if they get a hunk of speech that they 're gonna transcribe , u th they 're gonna transcribe it because there 's words in there or whatnot . If there 's a breath in there , they could transcribe that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "That 's what they 've been doing . So , within an overlap segment , they {disfmarker} they do this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "Right . But {disfmarker} Right . But if there 's a big hunk of speech , let 's say on Morgan 's mike where he 's not talking at all , um , don't {disfmarker} don't worry about that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "So what we 're saying is , there 's no guarantee that , um {disfmarker} So for the chunks that are transcribed , everything 's transcribed . But outside of those boundaries , there could have been stuff that wasn't transcribed . So you just {disfmarker} somebody can't rely on that data and say \" that 's perfectly clean data \" . Uh {disfmarker} do you see what I 'm saying ?",
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"content": "Yeah , you 're saying it 's {disfmarker} uncharted territory .",
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"content": "So I would say don't tell them to transcribe anything that 's outside of a grouping of words .",
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"content": "That sounds like a reasonable {disfmarker} reasonable compromise .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Yeah , and that 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that quite co corresponds to the way I {disfmarker} I try to train the speech - nonspeech detector , as I really try to {disfmarker} not to detect those breaths which are not within a speech chunk but with {disfmarker} which are just in {disfmarker} in a silence region .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "See , in a {disfmarker} in a way this is a really key point , that for speech recognition , uh , research , uh , um , e a {disfmarker} it 's not just a minor part . In fact , the {disfmarker} I think I would say the core thing that we 're trying to do is to recognize the actual , meaningful components in the midst of other things that are not meaningful . So it 's critical {disfmarker} it 's not just incidental it 's critical for us to get these other components that are not meaningful . Because that 's what we 're trying to pull the other out of . That 's our problem . If we had nothing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "if we had only linguistically - relevant things {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if we only had changes in the spectrum that were associated with words , with different spectral components , and , uh , we {disfmarker} we didn't have noise , we didn't have convolutional errors , we didn't have extraneous , uh , behaviors , and so forth , and {vocalsound} moving your head and all these sorts of things , then , actually speech recognition i i isn't that bad right now . I mean you can you know it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} the technology 's come along pretty well .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the reason we still complain about it is because is {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when you have more realistic conditions then {disfmarker} then things fall apart .",
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"content": "OK , fair enough . I guess , um , I {disfmarker} uh , what I was wondering is what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} at what level does the breathing aspect enter into the problem ? Because if it were likely that a PDA would be able to be built which would get rid of the breathing , so it wouldn't even have to be processed at thi at this computational le well , let me see , it 'd have to be computationally processed to get rid of it , but if there were , uh , like likely on the frontier , a good breath extractor then , um , and then you 'd have to {disfmarker}",
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"content": "But that 's a research question , you know ? And so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Yeah , well , see and that 's what I wouldn't know .",
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"content": "that {disfmarker} And we don't either . I mean so {disfmarker} so the thing is it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} right now it 's just raw d it 's just data that we 're collecting , and so {vocalsound} we don't wanna presuppose that people will be able to get rid of particular degradations because that 's actually the research that we 're trying to feed . So , you know , an and maybe {disfmarker} maybe in five years it 'll work really well ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "and {disfmarker} and it 'll only mess - up ten percent of the time , but then we would still want to account for that ten percent , so .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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"content": "Uh - huh . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "One of the {disfmarker} um , just to add to this {disfmarker} one of the ways that we will be able to get rid of breath is by having models for them . I mean , that 's what a lot of people do nowadays .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "And so in order to build the model you need to have some amount of it marked , so that you know where the boundaries are .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "So {disfmarker} I mean , I don't think we need to worry a lot about breaths that are happening outside of a , you know , conversation . We don't have to go and search for them to {disfmarker} to mark them at all , but , I mean , if they 're there while they 're transcribing some hunk of words , I 'd say put them in if possible .",
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"content": "OK , and it 's also the fact that they differ a lot from one channel to the other because of the way the microphone 's adjusted .",
"speaker": "Postdoc F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "OK .",
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{
"content": "Should we do the digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Yep . OK .",
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"content": "OK .",
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"answer": "The group discussed digits data, recent ASR results, the status of transcriptions, and disk space and storage format issues. Approximately two hours of digits have been recorded, half of which have been extracted. Researchers doing ASR are looking into methods for generating a better channel-based segmentation to improve recognition results for close-talking microphone data. Transcription checking procedures were reviewed, and efforts to coordinate the channelization and presegmention of data with the tightening of time bins were discussed. The group also talked about downsampling and strategies for coping with low disk space.",
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"answer": "A test set of digits data totalling two hours is nearly complete. Digit extraction has been performed on roughly half of this data",
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"answer": "Future work may involve experimenting with the reading of digits in different prosodic groupings.",
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"answer": "Transcription checking procedures were reviewed, and efforts to coordinate the channelization and presegmention of data with the tightening of time bins were discussed.",
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"content": "And we already got the crash out of the way . It did crash , so I feel much better , earlier .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": " Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Interesting . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Will you get the door , and {disfmarker} ? ",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . You collected an agenda , huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I did collect an agenda . So I 'm gonna go first . Mwa - ha - ha ! It shouldn't take too long .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so we 're pretty much out of digits . We 've gone once through the set . Um , so the only thing I have to do",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No there 's only ten .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . so I {disfmarker} I just have to go through them",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and uh pick out the ones that have problems , and either correct them or have them re - read . So we probably have like four or five more forms to be read , to be once through the set . I 've also extracted out about an hour 's worth . We have about two hours worth . I extracted out about an hour 's worth which are the f digits with {disfmarker} for which whose speaker have speaker forms , have filled out speaker forms . Not everyone 's filled out a speaker form . So I extracted one for speakers who have speaker forms and for meetings in which the \" key \" file and the transcript files are parsable . Some of the early key files , it looks like , were done by hand , and so they 're not automatically parsable and I have to go back and fix those . So what that means is we have about an hour of transcribed digits that we can play with . Um , Liz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So you think two {disfmarker} you think two hours is the {disfmarker} is the total that we have ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And you think we th uh , I {disfmarker} I didn't quite catch all these different things that are not quite right , but you think we 'll be able to retrieve the other hour , reasonably ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just a question of a little hand - editing of some files and then waiting for more people to turn in their speaker forms . I have this web - based speaker form , and I sent mail to everyone who hadn't filled out a speaker form , and they 're slowly s trickling in .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So the relevance of the speaker form here , s",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's for labeling the extracted audio files .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "By speaker ID and microphone type .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't like whether they were giving us permission to use their digits or something .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No , I spoke with Jane about that and we sort of decided that it 's probably not an issue that {disfmarker} We edit out any of the errors anyway . Right ? So the there are no errors in the digits ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "you 'll always read the string correctly . So I can't imagine why anyone would care . So the other topic with digits is uh , Liz would like to elicit different prosodics , and so we tried last week with them written out in English . And it just didn't work at all because no one grouped them together . So it just sounded like many many more lines instead of anything else . So in conversations with Liz and uh Jane we decided that if you wrote them out as numbers instead of words it would elicit more phone number , social security number - like readings . The problem with that is it becomes numbers instead of digits . When I look at this , that first line is \" sixty one , sixty two , eighteen , eighty six , ten . \" Um , and so the question is does anyone care ? Um , I 've already spoken with Liz and she feels that , correct me if I 'm wrong , that for her , connected numbers is fine ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to connected digits . Um , I think two hours is probably fine for a test set , but it may be a little short if we actually wanna do training and adaptation and all that other stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah Um , do um you want different prosodics , so if you always had the same groupings you wouldn't like that ? Is that correct ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , we actually figured out a way to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the groupings are randomly generated .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No but , I was asking if that was something you really cared about because if it wasn't , it seems to me if you made it really specifically telephone groupings that maybe people wouldn't , uh , go and do numbers so much . You know if it if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think they may still do it , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe some , but I probably not so much .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What about putting a hyphen between the numbers in the group ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you have uh",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Six dash one , you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "if you go six six six uh dash uh two nine three one .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} well OK {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it might help , I would like to g get away from having only one specific grouping .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I was asking , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , so if that 's your question ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but I mean it seems to me that , at least for us , we can learn to read them as digits",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "if that 's what people want . I {disfmarker} I 'm",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "don't think that 'd be that hard to read them as single digits .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , and it seems like that might be better for you guys since then you 'll have just more digit data ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and that 's always a good thing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a little bit better for me too because the digits are easier to recognize . They 're better trained than the numbers .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So we could just , uh , put in the instructions \" read them as digits \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right , read them as single digits , so sixty - one w is read as six one ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and if people make a mistake we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "How about \" O \" versus \" zero \" ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the other thing is we could just bag it because it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's - I 'm not worrying about it I mean , because we do have digits training data that we have from uh from OGI . I 'm sorry , digits {disfmarker} numbers training that we have from OGI , we 've done lots and lots of studies with that . And um .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But it 's nice to get it in this room with the acous",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , no , I guess what I 'm saying is that",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Just let them read it how they read it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "to some extent maybe we could just read them {disfmarker} have them read how {disfmarker} how they read it and it just means that we have to expand our {disfmarker} our vocabulary out to stuff that we already have .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well that 's fine with me as long as {disfmarker} It 's just that I didn't want to cause the people who would have been collecting digits the other way to not have the digits .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can go back to the other thing later .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean we s we {disfmarker} we 've {disfmarker} We can do this for awhile",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and then go back to digits for awhile , or um . Do yo I mean , do you want {disfmarker} do you want this {disfmarker} Do you need training data or adaptation data out of this ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "How much of this do you need ? with uh the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's actually unclear right now . I just thought well we 're {disfmarker} if we 're collec collecting digits , and Adam had said we were running out of the TI forms , I thought it 'd be nice to have them in groups , and probably , all else being equal , it 'd be better for me to just have single digits",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "since it 's , you know , a recognizer 's gonna do better on those anyway , um , and it 's more predictable . So we can know from the transcript what the person said and the transcriber , in general .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , well if you pre",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But if they make mistakes , it 's no big deal if the people say a hundred instead of \" one OO \" . and also w maybe we can just let them choose \" zero \" versus \" O \" as they {disfmarker} as they like because even the same person c sometimes says \" O \" and sometimes says \" zero \" in different context ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and that 's sort of interesting . So I don't have a Specific need cuz if I did I 'd probably try to collect it , you know , without bothering this group , but If we can try it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK so {disfmarker} so I can just add to the instructions to read it as digits not as connected numbers .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , and you can give an example like , you know , \" six {disfmarker} sixty - one would be read as six one \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And i actually it 's no more artificial than what we 've been doing with words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And I think people will get it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure people can adapt to this , read it single .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The spaces already bias it toward being separated .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's just easier to read .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And I know I 'm gonna find this easier than words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , absolutely , cognitively it 's much easier .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK I also had a hard {disfmarker} hard time with the words ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but then we went back and forth on that . OK , so let 's give that a try",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . And is the spacing alright or do you think there should be more space between digits and groups ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Or is that alright ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I mean what do other people think cuz you guys are reading {comment} them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think that i it 's fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} to me it looks like you 've got the func the idea of grouping and you have the grou the idea of separation",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and , you know , it 's just a matter of u i the instructions , that 's all .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Great . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And I think there are about ten different gouping patterns",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Let 's try it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well let 's give it a try .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "isn't that right , Liz ? That we did .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Righ - right , and you just {disfmarker} they 're randomly {nonvocalsound} generated and randomly assigned to digits .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I did {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , I {disfmarker} I was just gonna say , so we have in the vicinity of forty hours of {disfmarker} of recordings now . And you 're saying two hours , uh , is digits , so that 's roughly the ratio then ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "something like twenty {disfmarker} twenty to one . Which I guess makes {disfmarker} makes sense . So if we did another forty hours of recordings then we could get another couple hours of this .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah like you say , I think a couple hours for a {disfmarker} for a {disfmarker} for a test {disfmarker} test set 's OK . It 'd be nice to get , you know , more later because we 'll {disfmarker} we might use {disfmarker} use this up , uh , in some sense ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I also would like to argue for that cuz it {disfmarker} it seems to me that , um , there 's a real strength in having the same test replicated in {disfmarker} a whole bunch of times and adding to that basic test bank .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? Cuz then you have , you know , more and more , u chances to get away from random errors . And I think , um , the other thing too is that right now we have sort of a stratified sample with reference to dialect groups , and it might be {disfmarker} there might be an argument to be made for having uh f for replicating all of the digits that we 've done , which were done by non - native speakers so that we have a core that totally replicates the original data set , which is totally American speakers , and then we have these stratified additional language groups overlapping certain aspects of the database .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right . I think that uh trying to duplicate , spending too much effort trying to duplicate the existing TI - digits probably isn't too worthwhile because the recording situation is so different .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's gonna be very hard to be comparable .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Except that if you have the stimuli {pause} comparable , then it says something about the {disfmarker} the contribution of setting",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No it 's {disfmarker} it 's not the same .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "A little bit , but the other differences are so major .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean read versus not .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "They 're such major sources of variance that it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What 's an example of a {disfmarker} of m some of the other differences ? Any other a difference ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well i i individual human glottis {vocalsound} is going to be different for each one ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "you know , it 's just {disfmarker} There 's so many things .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , and not just that ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and enunciation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean the uh the corpus itself . I mean , we 're collecting it in a read digit in a particular list , and I 'm sure that they 're doing more specific stuff . I mean if I remember correctly it was like postman reading zipcodes and things like that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "TI - digits was ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I thought so .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I thought {disfmarker} I thought it was read .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Was it read ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think the reading zipcode stuff you 're thinking of would be OGI .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I may well be .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no TI - digits was read in th in read in the studio I believe .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I haven't ever listened to TI - digits . So I don't really know how it compares .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but regardless it 's gonna {disfmarker} it 's hard to compare cross - corpus .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} It - it 's different people {pause} is the {disfmarker} is the core thing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And they 're different circumstances with different recording environment and so forth , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's really pretty different . But I think the idea of using a set thing was just to give you some sort of framework , so that even though you couldn't do exact comparisons , it wouldn't be s valid scientifically at least it 'd give you some kind of uh frame of reference . Uh , you know it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hey Liz , What {disfmarker} what do the groupings represent ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "You said there 's like ten different groupings ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right , just groupings in terms of number of groups in a line , and number of digits in a group , and the pattern of groupings .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Are the patterns {disfmarker} like are they based on anything or",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I {disfmarker} I just roughly looked at what kinds of digit strings are out there , and they 're usually grouped into either two , three , or four , four digits at a time .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And they can have , I mean , actually , things are getting longer and longer . In the old days you probably only had three sequences , and telephone numbers were less , and so forth . So , there 's between , um {disfmarker} Well if you look at it , there are between like three and five groups , and each one has between two and four groupings and {disfmarker} I purposely didn't want them to look like they were in any kind of pattern .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And which group appears is picked randomly , and what the numbers are are picked randomly .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So unlike the previous one , which I d simply replicated TI - digits , this is generated randomly .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But I think it 'd be great i to be able to compare digits , whether it 's these digits or TI - digits , to speakers , um , and compare that to their spontaneous speech , and then we do need you know a fair amount of {disfmarker} of digit data because you might be wearing a different microphone",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and , I mean {disfmarker} so it 's {disfmarker} it 's nice to have the digits you know , replicated many times . Especially for speakers that don't talk a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} um , for adaptation . No , I 'm serious ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah all we have for some people is digits .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "so we have a problem with acoustic adaptation , and we 're not using the digit data now , but you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you 're not .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Not for adaptation , nope . v W we 're not {disfmarker} we were running adaptation only on the data that we ran recognition on and I 'd {disfmarker} As soon as someone started to read transcript number , that 's read speech and I thought \" well , we 're gonna do better on that ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "that 's not fair to use \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah that 's true , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , it might be fair to use the data for adaptation , so . So those speakers who are very quiet , {comment} shy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That would be interesting to see whether that helps .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "r Right {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Like Adam ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that would help adapting on {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , I have a real problem with that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , it sh I mean it 's the same micropho see the nice thing is we have that in the {disfmarker} in the same meeting ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Same {disfmarker} same acoustics ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and so you don't get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "same microphone ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "same channel .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right , and so I still like the idea of having some kind of {pause} digit data .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean , for the {disfmarker} for the um acoustic research , for the signal - processing , farfield stuff , I see it as {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} as the place that we start . But , th I mean , it 'd be nice to have twenty hours of digits data , but {disfmarker} but uh the truth is I 'm hoping that we {disfmarker} we through the {disfmarker} the stuff that {disfmarker} that you guys have been doing as you continue that , we get , uh , the best we can do on the spontaneous stuff uh , uh nearfield , and then um , we do a lot of the testing of the algorithms on the digits for the farfield , and at some point when we feel it 's mature and we understand what 's going on with it then we {disfmarker} we have to move on to the spontaneous data with the farfield . So .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The only thing that we don't have , I know this sounds weird , and maybe it 's completely stupid , but we don't have any overlapping digits .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we talked about that a couple times .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "An - yea I know it 's weird , but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Overlapping digits !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the problem I see with trying to do overlapping digits is the cognitive load .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Alright everybody 's laughing . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Dueling digits .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No it 's {disfmarker} it 's not stupid , it 's just {disfmarker} I mean , try to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just talkin for the stuff that like Dan Ellis is gonna try ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , here , let 's try it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "you know , cross - talk cancellation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You read the last line , I 'll read the first line .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Let 's try it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wait {disfmarker} oh it {disfmarker} these are all the same forms .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Sixty - one .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK {comment} So but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so you read the last line , I 'll read the first line .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'll p",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So you plu you plug your ears .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh I guess if you plug you 're ears you could do it , but then you don't get the {disfmarker} the same effects .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , what I mean is actually no not the overlaps that are well - governed linguistically , but the actual fact that there is speech coming from two people",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and the beam - forming stuf all the acoustic stuff that like Dan Ellis and {disfmarker} and company want to do .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Digits are nice and well behaved , I mean",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I guess we could try .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , it 's just a thought .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We could try doing some .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it would go faster .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Parallel .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It would take one around {comment} amount of ti",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's the P - make of digit reading .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Well OK . Well let 's try it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . I {disfmarker} I mea I 'm {disfmarker} I was sort of serious , but I really , I mean , I 'm {disfmarker} I don't feel strongly enough that it 's a good idea ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "See , y",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "You do the last line , I 'll do the first line .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "O . {comment} That 's not bad .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I can do it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I couldn't understand a single thing you guys were saying .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "A and that prosody was great , by the way .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think it was numbers , but I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it sort of sounded like a duet , or something .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Performance art .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Alright , let 's try three at once you {disfmarker} you pick one in the middle .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The Aurora theater .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Go .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry . I 'm mean I think it 's doable ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The poor transcribers",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "they 're gonna hate us .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , we {disfmarker} we could have a round like where you do two at a time , and then the next person picks up when the first guy 's done , or something .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So pairwise .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh like a round , yeah , like in a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Like a ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just pairwise ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "what do you call it ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "or yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Round .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "A round .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Row , row , row your boat .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Li - a r like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah , like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's gonna require some coordination .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Then it would go like h twice as fast , or {pause} a third as fast .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You have to have a similar pace .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , it 's just a thought .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm actually sort of serious if it would help people do that kind o but the people who wanna work on it we should talk to them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I don't think we 're gonna collect vast amounts of data that way ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but I think having a little bit might at least be fun for somebody like Dan to play around with ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe if we wanted to do that we would do it as a separate session ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "something like that rather than doing it during a real meeting and you know , do two people at a time then three people at a time and things like that . So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Can try it out .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "See {disfmarker} see what Dan thinks .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "If we have nothing {disfmarker} if we have no agenda we could do it some week .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Spend the whole time reading digits with different qu quantities .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I thought this was gonna be fast .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "c c Can I can I have an another {disfmarker} another question w about this ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh well .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , um , there are these digits , which are detached digits , but there are other words that contain the same general phon phoneme sequences . Like \" wonderful \" has \" one \" in it and {disfmarker} and Victor Borge had a {disfmarker} had a piece on this where he inflated the digits . Well , I wonder if there 's , um , an if there would be a value in having digits that are in essence embedded in real words to compare in terms of like the articulation of \" one \" in \" wonderful \" versus \" one \" as a digit being read .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's \" two \" bad . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm all \" four \" it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Not after I \" eight \" though .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , they don't all work as well , do they ? Hmm . What does nine work in ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Nein !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "You scream it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nein ! You have to be German ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . In German ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's German , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's great for the Germans .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Nein .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It only sounds w good when you scream it , though . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think everybody 's a little punchy here {vocalsound} today .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , I just wanted to offer that as a possible task",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "because , you know , if we were to each read his embedded numbers words in sent in sentences cuz it 's like an entire sketch he does and I wouldn't take the inflated version . So he talks about the woman being \" two - derful \" , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} a But , you know , if it were to be deflated , just the normal word , it would be like a little story that we could read .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if it would be useful for comparison , but it 's embedded numbers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I think for something like that we 'd be better off doing like uh TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't know . Well I think the question is what the research is , so I mean , I presume that the reason that you wanted to have these digits this way is because you wanted to actually do some research looking at the prosodic form here .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So if somebody wanted to do that , if they wanted to look at the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the difference of the uh phones in the digits in the context of a word versus uh the digits {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a non - digit word versus in digit word , uh that would be a good thing to do , but I think someone would have to express interest in that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I think , to {disfmarker} I mean if you were interested in it then we could do it , for instance .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK , thank you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK , are we done with digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um , We have ASR results from Liz , transcript status from Jane , and disk space and storage formats from Don . Does {disfmarker} do we have any prefer preference on which way we wanna {disfmarker} we wanna go ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well I was actually gonna skip the ASR results part , in favor of getting the transcription stuff talked about",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "since I think that 's more important to moving forward , but I mean Morgan has this paper copy and if people have questions , um , it 's pretty preliminary in terms of ASR results because we didn't do anything fancy , but I think e just having the results there , and pointing out some main conclusions like it 's not the speaking style that differs , it 's the fact that there 's overlap that causes recognition errors . And then , the fact that it 's almost all insertion errors , which you would expect but you might also think that in the overlapped regions you would get substitutions and so forth , um , leads us to believe that doing a better segmentation , like your channel - based segmentation , or some kind of uh , echo cancellation to get basically back down to the individual speaker utterances would be probably all that we would need to be able to do good recognition on the {disfmarker} on the close - talking mikes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So these {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , why don't you , if you have a hard copy , why don't you email it to the list .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's about the summary {disfmarker} But this is {disfmarker} Morgan has this paper .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh it 's in the paper .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it 's the same thing ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's the same thing I mailed to every everybody that w where it was ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "it {disfmarker} it 's that paper .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK then , it 's already been mailed .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , we basically , um , did a lot of work on that",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} Let 's see , th I guess the other neat thing is it shows for sure w that the lapel , you know within speaker is bad .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Horrible ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And it 's bad because it picks up the overlapping speech .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , your {disfmarker} your ASR results were run on the channels synchronized ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , cuz that 's all that w had been transcribed at the time ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "um but as we {disfmarker} I mean I wanted to here more about the transcription . If we can get the channel asynchronous or the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the closer t that would be very interesting for us",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's why I only used the part from use",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which we had uh about uh about the alt over all the channels",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah sure . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or mixed channel",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "rather mixed signal .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So if there was a segment of speech this long",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and oh and someone said \" oh , \" the whole thing was passed to the recognizer ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And someone said \" oh \" in the front {disfmarker} in the middle .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There were several speakers in it , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . In fact I {disfmarker} I pulled out a couple classic examples in case you wanna u use them in your talk of",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's why there 's so many insertion errors ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Chuck on the lapel , so Chuck wore the lapel three out of four times .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I noticed that Chuck was wearing the lapel a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Early on , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , and I wore the lapel once , and for me the lapel was OK . I mean I still {disfmarker} and I don't know why . I 'm {disfmarker} But um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Probably how you wear it {disfmarker} wore it I would guess .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "for you it was {disfmarker} Or who was next to me or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , where you were sitting probably affected it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right , but when Chuck wore the lapel and Morgan was talking there 're a couple really long utterances where Chuck is saying a few things inside , and it 's picking up all of Morgan 's words pretty well and so the rec you know , there 're error rates because of insertion {disfmarker} Insertions aren't bounded , so with a one - word utterance and ten insertions you know you got huge error rate .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
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"content": "And that 's {disfmarker} that 's where the problems come in . So I this is sort of what we expected , but it 's nice to be able to {disfmarker} to show it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And also I just wanted to mention briefly that , um , uh Andreas and I called up Dan Ellis who 's still stuck in Switzerland , and we were gonna ask him if {disfmarker} if there 're {disfmarker} you know , what 's out there in terms of echo cancellation and things like that . Not that we were gonna do it , but we wanted to know what would need to be done .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "And he said , \" Lots lots lots lots . \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And he {disfmarker} We 've given him the data we have so far , so these sychronous cases where there are overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "And he 's gonna look into trying to run some things that are out there and see how well it can do",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
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"content": "because right now we 're not able to actually report on recognition in a real paper , like a Eurospeech paper , because it would look sort of premature .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So the idea is that you would take this big hunk where somebody 's only speaking a small amount in it , and then try to figure out where they 're speaking {comment} based on the other peopl",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Right . Or who 's {disfmarker} At any point in time who 's the foreground speaker , who 's the background speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "So yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "I thought we were just gonna move the boundaries in .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah , should it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Well that 's with the hand stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
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"content": "So there 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "But how would you do that automatically ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Well ther there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Uh , I 've actually done some experiments with cross - correlation",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "and it seems to work pretty well to {disfmarker} to get rid of those {disfmarker} those overlaps ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "I mean that that 's the sort of thing that you would do .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Yeah . Exactly , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "So why do you want to do echo cancellation ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , it would be techniques used from adaptive {disfmarker} adaptive echo cancellation which I don't know enough about to talk about .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} it just to r to remove cross - talk .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "But , right , um , and that would be similar to what you 're also trying to do , but using um , you know , more than energy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know what exactly would go into it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "So it would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "So the idea is to basically run this on the whole meeting . and get the locations , which gives you also the time boundaries of the individual speak",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "OK . So do sort of what he 's already {disfmarker} what he 's trying to do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Right . Except that there are many techniques for the kinds of cues , um , that you can use to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah , in another way ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "OK , I s I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah , Dave {disfmarker} Dave uh is , um , also gonna be doin usin playing around with echo cancellation for the nearfield farfield stuff ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "so we 'll be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "And I guess Espen ? This {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} is he here too ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "May also be working {disfmarker} So it would just be ver that 's really the next step because we can't do too much , you know , on term in terms of recognition results knowing that this is a big problem",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um , until we can do that kind of processing . And so , once we have some {disfmarker} some of yours ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah I 'm working on it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and @ @ we 'll move on .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think this also ties into one of the things that Jane is gonna talk about too .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I also wanted to say I have done all this chopping up of digits ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "so I have some naming conventions that we should try to agree on . So let 's do that off - line ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "we don't need to do it during the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Right . Definitely {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I have scripts that will extract it out from \" key \" files",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Uh , and Don should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and do all the naming automatically ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so you don't have to do it by hand .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You 've compiled the list of , uh , speaker names ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "So that that 's it for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Speakers and {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Not names , but I Ds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah , names {disfmarker} names in the {disfmarker} names to I Ds ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "so you",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "and it does all sorts of matches because the way people filled out names is different on every single file so it does a very fuzzy sort of match .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So at this point we can sort of finalize the naming , and so forth ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "and we 're gonna basically re rewrite out these waveforms that we did because as you notice in the paper your \" M O in one meeting and \" M O - two \" in another meeting and it 's {disfmarker} we just need to standardize the",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah . That was my fault .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "um , no it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "No , I didn't notice that actually . ",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "um , that 's why those comments are s {vocalsound} are in there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then disregard it then .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Yep . So th I now have a script that you can just say basically look up Morgan ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "and it will give you his ID .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Great , great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "So . Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Terrific .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "alright . Do we {disfmarker} Don , you had disk space and storage formats . Is that something we need to talk about at the meeting , or should you just talk with Chuck at some other time ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , I had some general questions just about the compression algorithms of shortening waveforms and I don't know exactly who to ask . I thought that maybe you would be the {disfmarker} the person to talk to . So , is it a lossless compression {comment} when you compress ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Entropy coding .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "It just uses entropy coding ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "OK . So , I mean , I guess my question would be is I just got this new eighteen gig drive installed . Um , yeah , which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "And I assume half of it is scratch and half of it is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "I 'm not exactly sure how they partitioned it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Probably , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "But um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "That 's typical , huh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "yeah , I don't know what 's typical here , but um , it 's local though , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "That doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "You can access it from anywhere in ICSI . N {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "OK . Alright . How do you do that ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "In fact , this is an eighteen gig drive , {comment} or is it a thirty six gig drive with eighteen {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "N {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Eighteen .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Eigh - eighteen . It was a spare that Dave had around {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Oh OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see . OK . Alright , I did know that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so the {disfmarker} the only question is how much of it {disfmarker} The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So what you wanna do is use the scratch for stuff that you can regenerate .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , the stuff that isn't backed up is not a big deal because disks don't crash very frequently ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "as long as you can regenerate it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean all of this stuff can be regenerated ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "it 's just a question {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Then put it all on scratch",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "Well the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "because we 're {disfmarker} ICSI is {disfmarker} is bottlenecked by backup .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , very good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So we wanna put {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well I 'd leave all the {disfmarker} All the transcript stuff shouldn't {disfmarker} should be backed up ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but all the waveform {disfmarker} {comment} Sound files should not be backed up ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "the ones that you write out .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , I mean , I guess th the other question was then , should we shorten them , downsample them , or keep them in their original form ? Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It just depends on your tools . I mean , because it 's not backed up and it 's just on scratch , if your sc tools can't take shortened format , I would leave them expanded ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so you don't have to unshorten them every single time you wanna do anything .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We can downsample them ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that 'd be OK ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "To downsample them ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , we get the same performance .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean the r the front - end on the SRI recognizer just downsamples them on the fly ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah , I guess the only argument against downsampling is to preserve just the original files in case we want to experiment with different filtering techniques .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} So that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Yeah , if",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah , l I mean over all our data , we {disfmarker} we want to not downsample .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "fe You 'd {disfmarker} you wanna not . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So we 're {disfmarker} what we 're doing is we 're writing out {disfmarker} I mean , this is just a question . We 're writing out these individual segments , that wherever there 's a time boundary from Thilo , or {disfmarker} or Jane 's transcribers , you know , we {disfmarker} we chop it {pause} there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And the reason is so that we can feed it to the recognizer ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and throw out ones that we 're not using and so forth .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And those are the ones that we 're storing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , as I said , since that 's {disfmarker} it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take {disfmarker} downsample it ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "and compress it however you 're e the SRI recognizer wants to take it in .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "ye",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So we can't shorten them ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but we can downsample them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean {disfmarker} yeah , I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "As {disfmarker} yeah , as long as there is a {disfmarker} a form that we can come from again , that is not downsampled , {comment} then ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "r Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Oh yeah th",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah those are gonna be kept .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . That {disfmarker} that 's why we need more disk space",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uuu",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "cuz we 're basically duplicating the originals , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Then it 's fine . But for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} fu future research we 'll be doing it with different microphone positions and so on",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No . We always have the original long ones .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "we would like to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "So the SRI front - end won't take a uh {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} a large audio file name and then a {disfmarker} a list of segments to chop out {comment} from that large audio file ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "They actually have to be chopped out already ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and it {disfmarker} it will be {disfmarker} yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders . You c you can actually move them around .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Uh , you can get rid of",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "is that you could run all the English speaking ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Yeah , it it 's a lot faster .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Right . You can grab everything with the word \" the \" in it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "and all the men , and all the women . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and {disfmarker} So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} I don't think that 's really right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "but it 's {disfmarker} but it 's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"speaker": "Grad D"
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"content": "These are long {disfmarker} These are long {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so s For example , what if you wanted to run {disfmarker} run all the native speakers .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You know . This is an hour of speech .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right , so if {disfmarker} if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way . The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name . And so , you know , you just say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We - yeah that 's {disfmarker} so that 's part of it",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "y so you just say you know \" asterisk E asterisk dot wave \" , and you get what you want .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker} Right . And the other part is just that once they 're written out it {disfmarker} it is a lot faster to {disfmarker} to process them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Rather than doing seeks through the file .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So . Otherwise , you 're just accessing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This is all just temporary access , so I don't {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} it 's all just {disfmarker} It 's fine . You know . Fine to do it however is convenient .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean it just depends how big the file is . If the file sits in memory you can do extremely fast seeks",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . The other thing is that , believe it or not {disfmarker} I mean , we have some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and they don't . Two gig ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So we 're also looking at these in Waves like for the alignments and so forth . You can't load an hour of speech into X Waves .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "You need to s have these small files , and in fact , even for the Transcriber program Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes you can .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you {disfmarker} you can give Waves a start and an end time . And middle .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you try to load s really long waveform into X Waves , you 'll be waiting there for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , I {disfmarker} I 'm not suggesting you load a long wave file ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just saying you give it a start and an end time . And it 'll just go and pull out that section .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I th w The transcribers didn't have any problem with that did they Jane ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "What 's th u w in what respect ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Loading the long {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , with the Transcriber tool , it 's no problem .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They loaded {disfmarker} they loaded the long long files into X Waves .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It takes a very long ti",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah just to load a transcription",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In the {disfmarker} in Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "takes a long time ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It takes a l very long time .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but not for the wavefile . The wavefile is there immediately .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Are you talking about Transcriber or X Waves ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} because i we used X Waves to do the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It was also true of the digits task which was X Waves .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And they were loading the full mixed files then ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Very quickly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and it didn't seem to be any problem .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Well we {disfmarker} we have a problem with that , you know , time - wise on a {disfmarker} It - it 's a lot slower to load in a long file ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Seemed really fast .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and also to check the file , so if you have a transcript , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well regardless , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think overall you could get everything to work by accessing the same waveform and trying to find two {disfmarker} you know , the begin and end times . Um , but I think it 's more efficient , if we have the storage space , to have the small ones .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and , it 's no problem , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Because it 's not backed up .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So we just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "If we don't have a spare disk sitting around we go out and we buy ourselves an eighty gigabyte drive and make it all scratch space . You know , it 's not a big deal .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You 're right about the backup being {pause} a bottleneck .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's good to think towards scratch .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so these wouldn't be backed up , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So remind me afterward",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and I 'll {disfmarker} and we 'll look at your disk and see where to put stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright . I mean , I could just u do a DU on it right ? And just see which {disfmarker} how much is on each {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Each partition . And you wanna use , either XA or scratch .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well X question mark , anything starting with X is scratch .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "With two {disfmarker} two digits .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Two digits , right , XA , XB , XC . OK ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , @ @ .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Jane ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So I got a little print - out here . So three on this side , three on this side . And I stapled them . OK . Alright so , first of all , um , there was a {disfmarker} an interest in the transcribe transcription , uh , checking procedures and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and I can {vocalsound} tell you first , uh , to go through the steps although you 've probably seen them . Um , as you might imagine , when you 're dealing with , um , r really c a fair number of words , and uh , @ @ {comment} natural speech which means s self - repairs and all these other factors , that there 're lots of things to be , um , s standardized and streamlined and checked on . And , um , so , I did a bunch of checks , and the first thing I did was obviously a spell - check . And at that point I discovered certain things like , um , \" accommodate \" with one \" M \" , that kind of thing . And then , in addition to that , I did an exhaustive listing of the forms in the data file , which included n detecting things like f faulty punctuation and things {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sorry to interrupt",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "you could {disfmarker} could I just back up a little bit",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sure , please ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , please , please .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So you 're doing these {disfmarker} So {pause} the whole process is that the transcribers get the conversation",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and they do their pass over it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And then when they 're finished with it , it comes to you ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and you begin these sanit these quality checks .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . I do these checks .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah . Thank you . And so , uh , I do a {disfmarker} an exhaustive listing of the forms {disfmarker} Actually , I will go through this in {disfmarker} in order , so if {disfmarker} if we could maybe wait and stick keep that for a second cuz we 're not ready for that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So on the fifth page , seven down {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . Exactly ! Exactly ! Alright so , {vocalsound} a spelling check first then an exhaustive listing of the , uh {disfmarker} all the forms in the data with the punctuation attached and at that point I pick up things like , oh , you know , word followed by two commas . And th and then another check involves , uh , being sure that every utterance has an identifiable speaker . And if not , then that gets checked . Then there 's this issue of glossing s w so - called \" spoken - forms \" . So there {disfmarker} mo for the most part , we 're keeping it standard wo word level transcription . But there 's {disfmarker} w And that that 's done with the assumption that {pause} pronunciation variants can be handled . So for things like \" and \" , the fact that someone doesn't say the \" D \" , uh that 's not important enough to capture in the transcription because a {disfmarker} a good pronunciation , uh , you know , model would be able to handle that . However , things like \" cuz \" where you 're lacking an entire very prominent first syllable , and furthermore , it 's a form that 's specific to spoken language , those are r reasons {disfmarker} f for those reasons I {disfmarker} I kept that separate , and used the convention of using \" CUZ \" for that form , however , glossing it so that it 's possible with the script to plug in the full orthographic form for that one , and a couple of others , not many . So \" wanna \" is another one , \" going {disfmarker} \" uh , \" gonna \" is another one , with just the assumption , again , that this {disfmarker} th these are things which it 's not really fair to a c consider {disfmarker} expect that {disfmarker} a pronunciation model , to handle . And Chuck , you in you indicated that \" cuz \" is {disfmarker} is one of those that 's handled in a different way also , didn't you ? Did I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker} so it might not have been {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It might not have been you ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but someone told me that in fact \" cuz \" is treated differently in , um , i u in this context because of that r reason that , um , it 's a little bit farther than a pronunciation variant . OK , so after that , let 's see ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So that was part of the spell - check , {comment} or was that {disfmarker} that was after the spell - check ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um . Well so when I get the exhau So the spell - check picks up those words because they 're not in the dictionary .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So it gets \" cuz \" and \" wanna \" and that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And then you gloss them ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm - hmm . Run it through {disfmarker} I have a sed {disfmarker} You know , so I do sed script saying whenever you see \" gonna \" you know , \" convert it to gonna \" , you know , \" gloss equals quote going - to quote \" , you know . And with all these things being in curly brackets",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so they 're always distinctive . OK , I also wrote a script which will , um , retrieve anything in curly brackets , {vocalsound} or anything which I 've classified as an acronym , and {disfmarker} a pronounced acronym . And the way I tag ac pronounced acronyms is that I have underscores between the components . So if it 's \" ACL \" then it 's \" A \" underscore \" C \" underscore \" L \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And so {disfmarker} so your list here , are these ones that actually occurred in the meetings ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And the th Yes . Uh - huh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Whew !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , so now . Uh and {disfmarker} a",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We are acronym - loaded .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , can I ask a question about the glossing , uh before we go on ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , for a word like \" because \" is it that it 's always predictably \" because \" ? I mean , is \" CUZ \" always meaning \" because \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes , but not the reverse . So sometimes people will say \" because \" in the meeting , and if {disfmarker} if they actually said \" because \" , then it 's written as \" because \" with no {disfmarker} w \" cuz \" doesn't even figure into the equation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but in our meetings people don't say \" hey cuz how you doing ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Beca - because {disfmarker} Right . {comment} {vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Except right there .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , so , I guess {disfmarker} So , from the point of view of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the only problem is that with {disfmarker} for the recognition we {disfmarker} we map it to \" because \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and so if we know that \" CUZ \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but they have the gloss .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well Don has a script .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but , we don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You have the gloss form so you always replace it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "If that 's how {disfmarker} what you wanna do .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . And Don knows this ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and he 's bee he has a glo he has a script that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I replace the \" cuz \" with \" because \" if it 's glossed .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "S Right . But , if it 's {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But then there are other glosses that we don't replace , right ? Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes . And that 's why there 're different tags on the glosses ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , then it 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "on the different {disfmarker} on the different types of comments , which we 'll {disfmarker} which we 'll see in just a second .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So the pronounceable acronyms get underscores , the things in curly brackets are viewed as comments . There 're comments of four types . So this is a good time to introduce that . The four types . w And maybe we 'll expand that",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but the {disfmarker} but the comments are , um , of four types mainly right now . One of them is , um , the gloss type we just mentioned .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Can {disfmarker} ca",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Another type is , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So a are we done with acronyms ? Cuz I had a question on what {disfmarker} what this meant .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm still doing the overview . I haven't actually gotten here yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK so , gloss is things like replacing the full form u with the , um , more abbreviated one to the left . Uh , then you have if it 's {disfmarker} uh , there 're a couple different types of elements that can happen that aren't really properly words , and wo some of them are laughs and breathes , so we have {disfmarker} uh that 's prepended with a v a tag of \" VOC \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Whew ! ",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the non - vocal ones are like door - slams and tappings , and that 's prepended with a no non - vocalization .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So then it {disfmarker} just an ending curly brace there , or is there something else in there .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , so i e this would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "A comment , basically .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Let 's just take one example .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then the no non - vocalization would be something like a door - slam . They always end . So it 's like they 're paired curly brackets . And then the third type right now , {vocalsound} uh , is {pause} m things that fall in the category of comments about what 's happening . So it could be something like , you know , \" referring to so - and - so \" , \" talking about such - and - such \" , uh , you know , \" looking at so - and - so \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So on the m",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "on the middle t So , in the first case that gloss applies to the word to the left . But in the middle two {disfmarker} Th - it 's not applying to anything , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and this gets substituted here .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "They 're impulsive .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huh - uh . No , they 're events .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well the \" QUAL \" can be {disfmarker} The \" QUAL \" is applying to the left .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "They 're actually {disfmarker} They have the status of events .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , I just meant the middle two ones , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , and actually , um , it is true that , with respect to \" laugh \" , there 's another one which is \" while laughing \" ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "\" While laughing \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and that is , uh , i i An argument could be made for this {disfmarker} tur turning that into a qualitative statement because it 's talking about the thing that preceded it , but at present we haven't been , um , uh , coding the exact scope of laughing , you know , and so to have \" while laughing \" , you know that it happened somewhere in there which could well mean that it occurred separately and following , or , you know , including some of the utterances to the left . Haven't been awfully precise about that , but I have here , now we 're about to get to the {disfmarker} to this now , I have frequencies . So you 'll see how often these different things occur . But , um , uh , the very front page deals with this , uh , final c pa uh , uh , aspect of the standardization which has to do with the spoken forms like \" mm - hmm \" and \" mm - hmm \" and \" ha \" and \" uh - uh \" and all these different types . And , um , uh , someone pointed out to me , this might have been Chuck , {comment} about , um {disfmarker} about how a recognizer , if it 's looking for \" mm - hmmm \" with three M 's , {vocalsound} and it 's transcribed with two M 's , {vocalsound} that it might {disfmarker} uh , that it might increase the error rate which is {disfmarker} which would really be a shame because um , I p I personally w would not be able to make a claim that those are dr dramatically different items . So , right now I 've standardized across all the existing data with these spoken forms .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I should say",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's a small list .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "all existing data except thirty minutes which got found today . So , I 'm gonna {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm gonna {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm gonna check {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's known as \" found data \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Acsu - actually yeah . I got {disfmarker} It was stored in a place I didn't expect ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's like the z Zapruder Film .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and um , w we , uh , sh yea reconstructed how that happened .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I wanna work with lost data .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's much easier .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And this is {disfmarker} this 'll be great . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll be able to get through that tonight , and then everyth i well , actually later today probably .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And so then we 'll have everything following these conventions . But you notice it 's really rather a small set of these kinds of things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And I made it so that these are , um , with a couple exceptions but , things that you wouldn't find in the spell - checker so that they 'll show up really easily . And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Jane , can I ask you a question ? What 's that very last one correspond to ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I don't even know how to pronounce that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . Now that {disfmarker} that s only occurs once ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and I 'm thinking of changing that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , is that like someone 's like burning or some such thing ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So - c I haven't listened to it so I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Like their hair 's on fire ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I haven't heard it actually . I n I need to listen to that one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's the Castle of Ah !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually we {disfmarker} we gave this to our pronunciation person ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it looks like that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "she 's like , \" I don't know what that is either \" . So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Did she hear the th did she actually hear it ? Cuz I haven't heard it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No , we just gave her a list of words that , you know , weren't in our dictionary and so of course it picked up stuff like this , and she just didn't listen so she didn't know . We just {disfmarker} we 're waiting on that {pause} just to do the alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah I 'm curious to se hear what it is , but I didn't know {disfmarker} wanna change it to something else until I knew .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it 's \" argh \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , sss , {comment} you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But that 's not really like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hhh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "No one really says \" argh , \" you know ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , no one say",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you just did .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Except for now !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's another {disfmarker} there 's another word error .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , that 's right . We 're gonna have a big problem when we talk about that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Cha - ching .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We 're gonna never recognize this meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "In Monty Python you say \" argh \" a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So . Well , or if you 're a C programmer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You say arg - C and arg - V all the time .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But it has a different prosody .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Arg .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It does .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Arg {disfmarker} arg - max , arg - min , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , Jane , what 's the {disfmarker} d",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe he died while dictating .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I have one question about the the \" EH \" versus like the \" AH \" and the \" UH \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's partly a nonnative - native thing ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but I have found \" EH \" in native speakers too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But it 's mostly non - native {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "H",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's \" eh \" versus \" ah \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "S OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Eh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Eh ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "\" Eh , \" yeah right , cuz there were {disfmarker} were some speakers that did definite \" eh 's \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but right now we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They were the Canadians , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Canadians , yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So , it {disfmarker} it 's actually probably good for us to know the difference between the real \" eh \" and the one that 's just like \" uh \" or transcribed \" aaa \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "cuz in {disfmarker} like in Switchboard , you would see e all of these forms , but they all were like \" uh \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You mean just the single letter \" a \" {comment} as in the particle ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "The transcription or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Article .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , no , I mean like the {disfmarker} the \" UH \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "\" UH \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} the \" UH \" , \" EH \" , \" AH \" were all the same . And then , we have this additional non - native version of {disfmarker} uh , like \" eeh \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "All the \" EH \" 's I 've seen have been like that . They 've been like \" eh \" like that have bee has been transcribed to \" EH \" . And sometimes it 's stronger ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "like \" eeh \" {comment} which is like closer to \" EH \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just {disfmarker} these poor transcribers , they 're gonna hate this meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I know . We should go off - line .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} we 're not doing {disfmarker} We 're not doing length .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Quick Thilo , do a {disfmarker} do a filled pause for us .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ooo {comment} no .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But you 're a native German speaker so it 's not a {disfmarker} not a issue for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Them Canadians .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Onl yeah . No , only if you don't have lax vowels , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This makes sense .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} like Japanese and Spanish",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I think you 've {disfmarker} uh - huh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I didn't get that ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That makes sense .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and so , you know , I mean , th th I have {disfmarker} there are some , um , Americans who {disfmarker} who are using this \" eh \" too , and I haven't listened to it systematically , maybe with some of them , uh , they 'd end up being \" uh 's \" but , uh , I my spot - checking has made me think that we do have \" eh \" in also , um , American e e data represented here . But any case , that 's the {disfmarker} this is reduced down from really quite a long a much longer list ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this is great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's good ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and this is",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "This is really really helpful .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "functionally pretty , you know , also {disfmarker} It was fascinating , I was listening to some of these , uh , I guess two nights ago , and it 's just hilarious to liste to {disfmarker} to do a search for the \" mm - hmm 's \" . And you get \" mm - hmm \" and diff everybody 's doing it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "And just listen to them ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} I wanted to say {disfmarker} I w think it would be fun to make a montage of it because there 's a \" Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Performance art ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "just extract them all .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's really {disfmarker} it 's really fun to listen to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Morgan can make a song out of it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "All these different vocal tracts , you know , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's the same item . It 's very interesting . OK . Uh , then the acronyms y and the ones in parentheses are ones which the transcriber wasn't sure of ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and I haven't been able to listen to to {disfmarker} to clarify , but you can see that the parenthesis convention makes it very easy to find them",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "o How about question mark ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "cuz it 's the only place where {disfmarker} where they 're used .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The question marks , yeah . What are those ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Question mark is punctuation . So it {disfmarker} they said that @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "um , \" DC ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So they {disfmarker} so it 's \" PLP ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Exactly . Yeah , so the only {disfmarker} Well , and I do have a stress marker here . Sometimes the contrastive stress is showing up , and , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry , I {disfmarker} I got lost here . What - w what 's the difference between the parenthesized acronym and the non - parenthesized ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The parenthesized is something that the transcriber thought was ANN , but wasn't entirely sure . So I 'd need to go back or someone needs to go back , and say , you know , yes or no ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and then get rid of the parentheses .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But the parentheses are used only in that context in the transcripts , of of noti noticing that there 's something uncertain .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , P - make is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean cuz they {disfmarker} they have no idea ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good one . That 's correct .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "right . If you hear CTPD , I mean , they do pretty well",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't recognize a lot of these .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "you know how are {disfmarker} how are they gonna know ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I know ! I {disfmarker} I was saying that I think a lot of them are the Networks meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see a few .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "NSA ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "a lot of these are {disfmarker} are coming from them . I listened to some of that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we don't have that many acronyms comparatively in this meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Although I see {disfmarker} I see plenty of uh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's not so bad .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And Robustness has a fair amount ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but the NSA group is just very very many .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The recognizer , it is funny . Kept getting PTA for PDA .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's pretty close .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "This is close , right ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's not bad .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and the PTA was in these , uh , topics about children ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "so , anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Is the P - PTA working ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right and sometimes , I mean , you see a couple of these that are actually \" OK 's \" so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} may be that they got to the point where {disfmarker} I mean it was low enough understandable {disfmarker} understandability that they weren't entirely sure the person said \" OK . \" You know , so it isn't really necessarily a an undecipherable acronym ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's a lot of \" OK 's \" .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but just n needs to be double checked . Now we get to the comments . This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "The number to the left is the number of incidences ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Count . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Number of times out of the entire database ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "w except for that last thirty minutes I haven't checked yet .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So CTS is really big here ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I wonder what it is .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So what is the difference between \" papers rustling \" and \" rustling papers \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "IP , I know what IP is .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'd have to listen . I {disfmarker} I I agree . I w I 'd like to standardize these down farther but , um , uh , uh , to me that sounds equivalent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , I {disfmarker} I 'm a little hesitant to {disfmarker} to collapse across categories unless I actually listen to them .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Seems so .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh I 'm sure we 've said XML more than five times .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , then , at least now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Now it 's at least six times , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "S s six now , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Six . OK well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Wh - the self - referential aspect of these {disfmarker} these p",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm wai",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it 's very bad .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well this is exactly how people will prove that these meetings do differ because we 're recording , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Y no normally you don't go around saying , \" Now you 've said it six times .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {comment} that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Now you 've said \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But did you notice that there were seven hundred and eighty five instances of \" OK \" ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Seven hundred eighty - five instances .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's just without the {disfmarker} without punc punctuation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , I didn't . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And that 's an underestimate",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Extra forty one if it 's questioned .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Where 's that ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "cuz they 're Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So th",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "On the page two of acronyms .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Is this after {disfmarker} like did you do some uh replacements for all the different form of \" OK \" to this ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Seven hundred eighty .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Of \" OK \" , yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So that 's the single existing convention for \" OK \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute , w s",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So now we 're up to seven hundred and eighty eight .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Although , what 's {disfmarker} there 's one with a slash after it . That 's kind of disturbing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 'll have to look at it you know .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I looked for that one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I actually explicitly looked for that one ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and I think that , um , I {disfmarker} I 'm not exactly sure about that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Was that somewhere where they were gonna say \" new speaker \" or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist . And it may be , I don't {disfmarker} I can't explain that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "That 's alright . I 'm just pointing that out .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I i it 's the only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "it 's the only pattern that has a slash after it , and I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's an epiphenomenon .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well there 's not @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So I 'll just {disfmarker} I was just looking at the bottom of page three there , is that \" to be \" or \" not to be \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's no tilde in front of it ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh that 's cute .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's funny . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK anyways , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "\" Try to stay on topic , Adam . \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "There is th one {disfmarker} Y well , no , that 's r that 's legitimate . So now , uh , comments , you can see they 're listed again , same deal , with exhaustive listing of everything found in everything except for these final th thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK so , um , on some of these QUALs ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "are they really QUALs , or are they glosses ? So like there 's a \" QUAL TCL \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "\" TCL \" . Where do you see that ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . The reason is because w it was said \" tickle \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "What 's a QUAL ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not gloss . OK , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Sh - shouldn't it be \" QUAL TICKLE \" or something ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It wasn't said \" TCL \" . Of course .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "On the {disfmarker} in the actual script {disfmarker} in the actual transcript , I s I {disfmarker} So this {disfmarker} this happens in the very first one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I actually wrote it as \" tickle \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Because we {disfmarker} they didn't say \" TCL \" , they said \" tickle \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then , following that is \" QUAL TCL \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I f I forget , what 's QUAL ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Qual - qualifier .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's just comment about what they said .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Comment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "It 's not something you wanna replace {pause} with",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Comment or contextual comment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So they didn't mean \" tickle \" as in Elmo ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Tickle ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "they meant \" tickle \" as in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But at some point {disfmarker} I mean , we probably shoul",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We 'll probably add it to the language model .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But we should add it to the dictionar",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , to the pronunciation model .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "What did I say ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "To the language model {disfmarker} model .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Language , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well both .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Add what , Liz ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We can go on lan lan add it to both dictionary and language model .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh lan Oh OK - we OK",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "it 's in the language model , w yeah , but it so it 's the pronunciation model that has to have a pronunciation of \" tickle \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well \" tickle \" was pronounced \" tickle \" . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "\" tickle \" is pronounced \" tickle \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What are you saying ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's pronounced the same {disfmarker} it 's pronounced the same as the verb .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So I think it 's the language model that makes it different .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry . What I meant is that there should be a pronunciation \" tickle \" for TCL as a word .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And that word in the {disfmarker} in , you know , it stays in the language model wherever it was .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you never would put \" tickle \" in the language model in that form ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Right . There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah . Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in {disfmarker} in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these . Tcl 's one of them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , y yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right , so y so , whoever 's creating the new models , will have to also go through the transcripts and change them synchronously .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It 's just disturbing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . We have this {disfmarker} there is this thing I was gonna talk to you about at some point about , you know , what do we do with the dictionary as we 're up updating the dictionary , these changes have to be consistent with what 's in the {disfmarker} Like spelling people 's names and so forth . If we make a spelling correction to their name , like someone had Deborah Tannen 's name mispelled , and since we know who that is , you know , we could correct it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You can correct it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but we need to make sure we have the mispel If it doesn't get corrected we have to have a pronunciation as a mispelled word in the dictionary .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Things like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "These are so funny to read .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , of course now the {disfmarker} the Tannen corre the spelling c change .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's what gets {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I picked those up in the frequency check .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's {disfmarker} it 's not an issue ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our {disfmarker} the dictionary up to date . And then , yeah , in the case of \" tickle \" I guess we would just have a , you know , word \" TCL \" which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You add it to the dictionary .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "which normally would be an acronym , you know , \" TCL \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but just has another pronunciation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "\" ICSI \" is {disfmarker} is one of those that sometimes people pronounce and sometimes they say \" ICSI . \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , those that are l are listed in the acronyms , I actually know",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "they were said as letters . The others , um , e those really do need to be listened to cuz I haven't been able to go to all the IC ICSI things ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {comment} and until they 've been listened to they stay as \" ICSI \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Don and I were just noticing , love this one over on page three , \" vocal {disfmarker} vocal gesture mimicking sound of screwing something into head to hold mike in place . \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It 's this , \" rrre - rrre - rrre \" . It was me .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It was ! In fact , it was ! Yeah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "A lot of these are me the {disfmarker} the \" beep is said with a high pit high pitch and lengthening . \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "He {disfmarker} he s he said {disfmarker} he said get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "To head .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That was the {disfmarker} I was imitating uh , beeping out {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Beep .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Perfect . Yeah that 's it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh there is something spelled out \" BEEEEEEP \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's been changed .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "in the old {disfmarker} Thank you . Because he was saying , \" How many E 's do I have to allow for ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You need a lot of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What I meant was \" beep \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You need a lot of qualification Adam .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I guess so .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That 's been changed . So , exactly , that 's where the lengthening comment c came in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Subtext .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "s chan brought it down .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right , thanks , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So they 're vocalization ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And those of course get {disfmarker} get picked up in the frequency check",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "glosses .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "because you see \" beep \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and you know {disfmarker} I mean it gets kicked out in the spelling , and it also gets kicked out in the , uh , freq frequency listing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I have the {disfmarker} there 're various things like \" breathe \" versus \" breath \" versus \" inhale \" and , hhh , you know , I don't know . I {disfmarker} I think they don't have any implications for anything else so it 's like I 'm tempted to leave them for now an and {disfmarker} It 's easy enough to find them when they 're in curly brackets . We can always get an exhaustive listing of these things and find them and change them .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "\" Sings finale - type song \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that was in the first meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I don't actually remember what it was . But that was {disfmarker} Eric did that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Tah - dah ! I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe something like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Something like that maybe , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 'd qualify .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "On the glosses for numbers ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "it seems like there are lots of different ways it 's being done .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Interesting question .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . OK , now first of all {disfmarker} Ooo - ooo ! Very important .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "\" Ooo - ooo . \"",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh Chuck {disfmarker} Chuck led to a refinement here which is to add \" NUMS \" if these are parts of the read numbers . Now you already know i that I had , uh , in places where they hadn't transcribed numbers , I put \" numbers \" in place of any kind of numbers , but there are places where they , um , it {disfmarker} th this convention came later an and at the very first digits task in some transcripts they actually transcribed numbers . And , um , d Chuck pointed out that this is read speech , and it 's nice to have the option of ignoring it for certain other prob uh p uh , things . And that 's why there 's this other tag here which occurs a hundred and five {disfmarker} or three hundred and five times right now which is just {disfmarker} well n n \" NUMS \" by itself",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "\" NUMS \" , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "which means this is part of the numbers task . I may change it to \" digits \" . I mean , i with the sed command you can really just change it however you want because it 's systematically encoded , you know ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Have to think about what 's the best for {disfmarker} for the overall purposes , but in any case , um , \" numbers \" and \" NUMS \" are a part of this digits task thing . Um , now th Then I have these numbers that have quotation marks around them . Um , I didn't want to put them in as gloss comments because then you get the substitution . And actually , th um , {vocalsound} the reason I b did it this way was because I initially started out with the other version , you have the numbers and you have the full form and the parentheses , however sometimes people stumble over these numbers they 're saying . So you say , \" Seve - seventy eight point two \" , or whatever . And there 's no way of capturing that if you 're putting the numbers off to the side . You can't have the seven and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So what 's to the left of these ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "The left is i so example the very first one ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "it would be , spelled out in words , \" point five \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK , that 's what I was asking . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Only it 's spelled out in words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Point FIVE , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So i this is also spelled out in {disfmarker} in words . \" Point five . \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And then , in here , \" NUMS \" , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss . It comes out as \" NUMS quote dot five \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "\" gloss one one one dash one three zero \" .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what 's to the left of that ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well now {disfmarker} In that case it 's people saying things like \" one one one dash so - and - so \" or they 're saying uh \" two {disfmarker} I mean zero \" whatever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And in that case , it 's part of the numbers task , and it 's not gonna be included in the read digits anyway ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So there will be a \" NUMS \" tag on those lines ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} I m in the uh {disfmarker} There is .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 've added that all now too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "There 's a \" numbers \" tag {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry I 'm {disfmarker} I didn't follow that last thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Wait .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , so gloss {disfmarker} in the same line that would have \" gloss quote one one one dash one thirty \" , you 'd have a gloss at the end of the line saying , uh , \" curly bracket NUMS curly bracket \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So if you {disfmarker} if you did a , uh , a \" grep minus V nums \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so you could do \" grep minus V nums \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and you get rid of anything that was read .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's the {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So there wouldn't be something like i if somebody said something like , \" Boy , I 'm really tired , OK . \" and then started reading that would be on a separate line ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK great . Cuz I was doing the \" grep minus V \" quick and dirty and looked like that was working OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Great . Now why do we {disfmarker} what 's the reason for having like the point five have the \" NUMS \" on it ? Is that just like when they 're talking about their data or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This is more because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh these are all these , the \" NUMS point \" , this all where they 're saying \" point \" something or other .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "These are all like inside the spontaneous {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing too is for readability of the transcript . I mean if you 're trying to follow this while you 're reading it it 's really hard to read , you know {disfmarker} eh , \" so in the data column five has \" , you know , \" one point five compared to seventy nine point six \" , it 's like when you see the words it 's really hard to follow the argument . And this is just really a {disfmarker} a way of someone who would handle th the data in a more discourse - y way to be able to follow what 's being said .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Label it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So this is where Chuck 's , um , overall h architecture comes in ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "where we 're gonna have a master file of the channelized data . Um , there will be scripts that are written to convert it into these t these main two uses and th some scripts will take it down th e into a f a for ta take it to a format that 's usable for the recognizer an uh , other scripts will take it to a form that 's usable for the {disfmarker} for linguistics an and discourse analysis . And , um , the implication that {disfmarker} that I have is that th the master copy will stay unchanged . These will just be things that are generated ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and e by using scripts .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Master copies of superset .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "When things change then the {disfmarker} the script will cham change but the {disfmarker} but there won't be stored copies of {disfmarker} in different versions of things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , I guess I 'd have one request here which is just , um , maybe to make it more robust , th that the tag , whatever you would choose for this type of \" NUMS \" {comment} where it 's inside the spontaneous speech , is different than the tag that you use for the read speech .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . That would argue for changing the other ones to be \" digits \" or something .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , that way w if we make a mistake parsing , or something , we don't see the \" point five \" , or {disfmarker} or it 's not there , then we",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "a Just {disfmarker} an And actually for things like \" seven eighths \" , or people do fractions too I guess , you {disfmarker} maybe you want one overall tag for sort of that would be similar to that ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Except {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} As long as they 're sep as they 're different strings that we {disfmarker} that 'll make our p sort of processing more robust .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we really will get rid of everything that has the \" NUMS \" string in it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I suppose what you could do is just make sure that you get rid of everything that has \" curly brace NUMS curly brace \" .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Ex - exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean that would be the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . That was {disfmarker} that was my motivation . And i these can be changed , like I said .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You know , I mean , as I said I was considering changing it to \" digits \" . And , it just {disfmarker} i you know , it 's just a matter of deciding on whatever it is , and being sure the scripts know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It would probably be safer , if you 're willing , to have a separate tag just because um , then we know for sure . And we can also do counts on them without having to do the processing . But you 're right , we could do it this way , it {disfmarker} it should work . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and it makes it {disfmarker} I guess the thing about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but it it 's probably not hard for a person to tell the difference",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because one 's in the context of a {disfmarker} you know , a transcribed word string ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The other thing is you can get really so minute with these things",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and increase the size of the files and the re and decrease the readability to such an extent by simply something like \" percent \" . Now I {disfmarker} I could have adopted a similar convention for \" percent \" , but somehow percent is not so hard , you know ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "i It 's just when you have these points and you 're trying to figure out where the decimal places are {disfmarker} And we could always add it later . Percent 's easy to detect . Point however is {disfmarker} is uh a word that has a couple different meanings . And you 'll find both of those in one of these meetings , where he 's saying \" well the first point I wanna make is so - and - so \" and he goes through four points , and also has all these decimals .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So Liz , what does the recognizer do ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "what does the SRI recognizer output for things like that ? \" seven point five \" . Does it output the word {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Seven point five \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right , the word \" seven \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the numbers ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "The number \" seven \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The word .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The word \" seven \" , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So I 'd {disfmarker} so \" I 'd like {disfmarker} I 'd like to talk about point five \" .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and actually , you know the language {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "it 's the same point , actually , the {disfmarker} the p you know , the word \" to \" and the word y th \" going to \" and \" to go to \" those are two different \" to 's \" and so there 's no distinction there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's just {disfmarker} just the word \" point \" has {disfmarker} Yeah , every word has only one , yeah e one version even if {disfmarker} even if it 's {disfmarker} A actually even like the word \" read \" {comment} and \" read \" Those are two different words . They 're spelled the same way , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And they 're still gonna be transcribed as READ .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , I {disfmarker} I like the idea of having this in there , I just {disfmarker} I was a little bit worried that , um , the tag for removing the read speech {disfmarker} because i What if we have like \" read letters \" or , I don't know ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We might wanna {disfmarker} just a separate tag that says it 's read .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "like \" read something \" like \" read \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah , basically . But other than that I it sounds great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK ? Are we done ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well I wanted to say also regarding the channelized data ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I guess we 're not done .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that , um , Thilo requested , um , that we ge get some segments done by hand to e e s reduce the size of the time bins wh like was Chuc - Chuck was mentioning earlier that , um , that , um , if you {disfmarker} if you said , \" Oh \" and it was in part of a really long , s complex , overlapping segment , that the same start and end times would be held for that one",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "as for the longer utterances ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "We did that for one meeting , right ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "so you have that data don't you ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's the training data .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And he requested that there be , uh , similar , uh , samples done for five minute stretches c involving a variety of speakers and overlapping secti sections .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He gave me {disfmarker} he did the {disfmarker} very nice , he {disfmarker} he did some shopping through the data and found segments that would be useful . And at this point , all four of the ones that he specified have been done . In addition the I 've {disfmarker} I have the transcribers expanding the amount that they 're doing actually .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So right now , um , I know that as of today we got an extra fifteen minutes of that type , and I 'm having them expand the realm on either side of these places where they 've already started .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Oh great . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} you know , and I {disfmarker} and he 's gonna give me some more sections that {disfmarker} that he thinks would be useful for this purpose .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Because it 's true , I mean , if we could do the {disfmarker} the more fine grained tuning of this , uh , using an algorithm , that would be so much more efficient . And , um . So this is gonna be {pause} useful to expand this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I thought we {disfmarker} we sh we sh perhaps we should try to {disfmarker} to start with those channelized versions just to {disfmarker} just to try it . Give it {disfmarker} Give one tr transcriber the {disfmarker} the channelized version of {disfmarker} of my speech - nonspeech detection and look if {disfmarker} if that 's helpful for them , or just let them try if {disfmarker} if that 's better or If they {disfmarker} if they can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You mean to start from scratch f in a brand new transcript ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be excellent . Yeah , that 'd be really great . As it stands we 're still in the phase of sort of , um , cleaning up the existing data getting things , uh , in i m more tight tightly time {disfmarker} uh , aligned . I also wanna tell {disfmarker} um , I also wanted to r raise the issue that {disfmarker} OK so , there 's this idea we 're gonna have this master copy of the transcript , it 's gonna be modified by scripts t into these two different functions . And actually the master {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Two or more . Two or more different functions .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Two {disfmarker} two or more . And that the master is gonna be the channelized version .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So right now we 've taken this i initial one , it was a single channel basically the way it was input . And now , uh , thanks to the advances made in the interface , we can from now on use the channelized part , and , um , any changes that are made get made in the channelized version kind of thing . But I wanted to get all the finished {disfmarker} all the checks {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that has implications for your script .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , uh , have those {disfmarker} e e the vis the ten hours that have been transcribed already , have those been channelized ? And I know {disfmarker} I 've seen @ @ {disfmarker} I 've seen they 've been channelized ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , they have .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "All ten hours ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Except for the missing thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "have they uh {disfmarker} have they been {disfmarker} has the time {disfmarker} have the time markings been adjusted , uh , p on a per channel {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , for {disfmarker} for a total of like twenty m f for a total of {disfmarker} Let 's see , four times {disfmarker} total of about an {disfmarker} {pause} thirty minutes . That 's {disfmarker} that 's been the case .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And plus the training , whatever you have .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I guess , I mean , I don't know if we should talk about this now , or not , but I",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's just we 're {pause} missing tea .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , but I mean my question is like should I wait until all of those are processed , and channelized , like the time markings are adjusted before I do all the processing , and we start like branching off into the {disfmarker} into the {disfmarker} our layer of uh transcripts .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know the problem {disfmarker} the problem is that some {disfmarker} some of the adjustments that they 're making are to bring {disfmarker} are to combine bins that were {disfmarker} time bins which were previously separate . And the reason they do that is sometimes there 's a word that 's cut off .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And so , i i i it 's true that it 's likely to be adjusted in the way that the words are more complete . And ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "OK . No I know {disfmarker} I know that adjusting those things are gonna {disfmarker} is gonna make it better .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so I {disfmarker} it 's gonna be a more reliable thing and I 'm not sure {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "I mean I 'm sure about that ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "but do you have like a time frame when you can expect like all of it to be done , or when you expect them to finish it , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well partly it depends on how {disfmarker} um , how e effective it will be to apply an algorithm because i this takes time ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you know , it takes a couple hours t to do , uh , ten minutes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't doubt it . Um , so .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So right now the {disfmarker} what you 're doing is you 're taking the {disfmarker} uh , the o original version and you 're sort of channelizing yourself , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'm doing it myself . I mean i if the time markings aren't different across channels , like the channelized version really doesn't have any more information .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , I was just {disfmarker} I mean , originally I had done before like the channelized versions were coming out .",
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"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "So I {disfmarker} I th I think probably the way it 'll go is that , you know , when we make this first general version and then start working on the script , that script @ @ that will be ma you know primarily come from what you 've done , um , we 'll need to work on a channelized version of those originals .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "and so it 's a question of like what {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "And so it should be pretty much identical to what you have t except for the one that they 've already tightened the boundaries on .",
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"content": "Yep . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Um , So",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Yeah , I mean {disfmarker}",
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"content": "uh , and then probably what will happen is as the transcribers finish tightening more and more , you know , that original version will get updated",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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"content": "and then we 'll rerun the script and produce better uh versions .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "But the {disfmarker} I guess the ef the effect for you guys , because you 're pulling out the little wave forms into separate ones , that would mean these boundaries are constantly changing you 'd have to constantly re rerun that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "so , maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "But that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "But that {disfmarker} that 's not hard .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "I I think the harder part is making sure that the transc the transcription {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "OK .",
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"content": "So if you b merge two things , then you know that it 's the sum of the transcripts , but if you split inside something , you don't where the word {disfmarker} which words moved .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "And that 's wh that 's where it becomes a little bit {disfmarker} uh , having to rerun the processing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "The cutting of the waveforms is pretty trivial .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah . I mean as long as it can all be done automatically , I mean , then that 's not a concern .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "You know , if I just have to run three scripts to extract it all and let it run on my computer for an hour and a half , or however long it takes to parse and create all the reference file , that 's not a problem .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
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"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"speaker": "Grad C"
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"speaker": "Postdoc E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "I can't think of any of the {disfmarker} other ones .",
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"content": "OK . Great .",
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"answer": "The group discussed the preparation of a data sample for IBM, the manual adjustment of time bins by transcribers, recognition results for a test set of digits data, and forced alignments. Participants also talked about Eurospeech 2001 submissions, and exchanged comments on the proceedings of the recently attended Human Language Technologies conference (HLT'01). Preliminary recognition results were presented for a subset of digits data. Efforts to deal with cross-talk and improve forced alignments for non-digits data were also discussed.",
"query": "What was said in the meeting?"
}
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{
"answer": "One meeting recording has been channelized and pre-segmented for delivery to IBM. A subset of Meeting Recorder data will be prepared (i.e. pre-segmented and manually adjusted) for delivery to IBM. ",
"query": "What was said about IBM? ",
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{
"answer": "Preliminary recognition results were obtained for a subset of digits data. The error rate distribution was multimodal, reflecting differences in performance for native versus non-native speakers, and also possible pre-processing errors. ",
"query": "What were the preliminary recognition results?",
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"answer": "The Transcriber interface may require modifications if it becomes necessary for transcribers to quickly switch among waveform displays.",
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]
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"answer": "Transcribers risk overlooking speech that is deeply embedded in the mixed signal. Should transcriptions be derived from each of the close-talking channels or from the mixed signal alone? The pre-segmentation tool does not perform well on short utterances, e.g. backchannels.",
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"answer": "Deleting segments of the recordings is expected to be very time-consuming for transcribers. More results are needed for generating adequate submissions for Eurospeech'01.",
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"answer": "Future efforts will involve an attempt to get good forced alignments on digits data and generate a report for Eurospeech'01.",
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "How about channel",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We 're recording .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and no crash .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I pre - crashed it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Pre - crashed !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It never crashes on me .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What is {disfmarker} what is that ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it depends on if the temp files are there or not , that {disfmarker} at least that 's my current working hypothesis ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that I think what happens is it tries to clear the temp files and if they 're too big , it crashes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "When the power went out the other day and I restarted it , it crashed the first time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "After the power out",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So then there would be no temp files .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK . {comment} Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , it doesn't {disfmarker} it doesn't clear those necessarily ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh wait {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it doesn't clear them , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , no connection .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in the temp directory they 're in the scratch , so . They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But that 's usually the meeting that I recorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well this wasn't {disfmarker} Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesday afternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh well .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker} Oh , right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and the power had gone out earlier in the day .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Huh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know when would be a good excuse for it , but I just can't wait to be giving a talk t and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and use the example from last week with everybody t doing the digits at once .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That was fun .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I 'd love to play somebody that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That was fun .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It was quick .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It was . It was really efficient .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Talk about a good noise shield . You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room . Nobody could listen in .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And we 'll just all leave ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , and then everyone can listen to it later .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If you wanna know what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Actually isn't that what we have been doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's what it sounds like .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Practically , huh . With all the overlaps .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "What are we doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I 'm just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't mind hearing how the conference was .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What conference ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I had one question about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , really . It 's all a blur .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Aren't the UW folks coming this weekend ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No . The next ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Next weekend ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Next weekend , week from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That is right . The next weekend .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not the days coming up , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's like the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "A week from Saturday .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's when they 're coming .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "within ten days .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's correct .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , are we {disfmarker} do we have like an agenda or anything that we should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , but that would be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Why don't we w",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so the deal is that I can , um , {vocalsound} uh , I can be available after , uh , like ten thirty or something . I don't know how s how early you wanted to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They 're not even gonna be here until eleven or so .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz they 're flying up that day .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Wait , this is on {disfmarker} on Sunday ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Saturday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or Saturday ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Saturday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Saturday .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "S Saturday .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , y",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Eurospeech is due on Friday and then I 'm going down to San {disfmarker} uh , San Jose Friday night , so , if {disfmarker} you know , if we start nice and late Saturday that 's a good thing .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean , they 're flying up from {disfmarker} from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Seattle .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "down from Seattle .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "They 're flying from somewhere to somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and they 'll end up here . So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast on that {disfmarker} that morning .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So , i I {disfmarker} I will be {disfmarker} I mean , he 's taking a very early flight",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven . It might end up really being twelve . So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know . Uh , So . That 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well we can start gathering those {disfmarker} those ideas , but then we {disfmarker} we should firm it up by next {disfmarker} next Thursday 's meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we {disfmarker} in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So have you heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , um , he 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along . Uh , {vocalsound} oh I {disfmarker} I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine {disfmarker} with the beeps they would be {disfmarker} That 's easy for them to do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Great . OK . So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I {disfmarker} I have the program to insert the beeps . What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but that should be really easy to do . So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "He 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "that we 've tightened it up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of a meeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well for this experiment I think we can use pre pretty much anything .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "This experiment of just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well we had {disfmarker} we had talked about doing maybe EDU as a good choice , though . Well , {vocalsound} whatever we have .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well we 've talked about that as being the next ones we wanted to transcribe .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But for the purpose of sending him a sample one to {disfmarker} f",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe it doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't think it matte",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll , um , get {disfmarker} make that available .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK , and has it been corrected ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Oh , well , wait . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the {vocalsound} processes we were talking about as well .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then we go in and adjust the boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah that 's right . Yeah , we haven't done that . I {disfmarker} I could set someone on that tomorrow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "And time how long it takes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "I think they 're coming {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"content": "And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . What would be a good number of minutes ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to {disfmarker} to do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yes except that if they had {disfmarker} if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them {disfmarker} It 's just dependent of how much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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"content": "Like I {disfmarker} I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
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"content": "I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} I mean , is it pretty easy ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at {disfmarker} Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we {disfmarker} you run it through this other {disfmarker} other stuff ? Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data {disfmarker} keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so . Oh , that 's right . So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's {disfmarker} then it 's {disfmarker} then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then it 's IBM .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thing over the entire meeting , and then {disfmarker} and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And have them fix it over the entire meeting too ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "As of what point ? I mean . The {disfmarker} I guess the question on my mind is do we wait for the transcribers to adjust the marks for the whole meeting before we give anything to IBM , or do we go ahead and send them a sample ? Let their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Why wouldn't we s @ @ w i if they were going sequentially through it , why wouldn't we give them {disfmarker} I mean i are we trying to get something done by the time Brian comes ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That was the question . Though .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So if we {disfmarker} if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh . That {disfmarker} I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't think {disfmarker} I mean , h they {disfmarker} they typically work for what , four hours , something like that ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , I gue hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I think the they should be able to get through a whole meeting in one sitting . I would think , unless it 's a lot harder than we think it is , which it could be , certainly .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If it 's got like for speakers then I guess {disfmarker} I mean if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We 're just doing the individual channels ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or seven or eight .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Individual channels . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's gonna be , depending on the number of people in the meeting , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I guess there is this issue of , you know , if {disfmarker} if the segmenter thought there was no speech on {disfmarker} on a particular stretch , on a particular channel ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and there really was , then , if it didn't show up in a mixed signal to verify , then it might be overlooked , so , I mean , the question is \" should {disfmarker} should a transcriber listen to the entire thing or can it g can it be based on the mixed signal ? \" And I th eh so far as I 'm concerned it 's fine to base it on the mixed signal at this point , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's what it seems to me too , in that if they need to , just like in the other cases , they can listen to the individual , if they need to .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And that cuts down the time . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But they don't have to for most of it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's good . So . Yeah . Good , good , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I don't see how that will work , though .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what aspect ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So how do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , they have the normal channeltrans interface where they have each individual speaker has their own line ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but you 're listening to the mixed signal and you 're tightening the boundaries , correcting the boundaries . You shouldn't have to tighten them too much because Thilo 's program does that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Should be pretty good , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Except for {vocalsound} it doesn't do well on short things , remember .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right , so {disfmarker} so you 'll have to I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It will miss them . It will miss most of the really short things .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But those would be {disfmarker} those would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . It will {disfmarker} it will miss {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you have to say \" uh - huh \" more slowly to {disfmarker} to get c",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'm s I 'm actually serious .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'll work on that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So it will miss stuff like that which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , so {disfmarker} so that 's something that the transcribers will have to {disfmarker} have to do .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when {disfmarker} in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's what I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm concerned about the part .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I am too . And I think it 's an empirical question .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Can't we {disfmarker} uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh they can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but then they have to do {disfmarker} but then they {disfmarker} for this meeting they would have to do seven times real time , and it would probably be more than that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Because they 'd have to at least listen to each channel all the way through .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But i but it 's very quick ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "right ? I mean , you scan {disfmarker} I mean , if you have a display of the waveform .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you 're talking about visually .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "w Well , the other problem is the breaths",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I just don't think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "cuz you also see the breaths on the waveform . I 've {disfmarker} I 've looked at the int uh , s I 've tried to do that with a single channel , and {disfmarker} and you do see all sorts of other stuff besides just the voice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I think that they 're going much more on acoustics than they are on visuals .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well that {disfmarker} that I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What you {disfmarker} the digital {disfmarker} what the digital task that you had your interface ? Um , I know for a fact that one of those {disfmarker} sh she could really well {disfmarker} she could judge what th what the number was based on the {disfmarker} on the waveform .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's actually true . Yeah , you 're right . You 're absolutely right . Yeah , I found the same thing that when I was scanning through the wave form {vocalsound} I could see when someone started to read digits just by the shapes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , she could tell which one was seven .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Um , maybe .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So I don't {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm now entirely confused about what they do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , they 're {disfmarker} they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are they looking at visually ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , they have a choice . They could choose any signal to look at . I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed . But I 've {disfmarker} I 've tried looking at the single signal and {disfmarker} and in order to judge when it {disfmarker} when it was speech and when it wasn't ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but the problem is then you have breaths which {disfmarker} which show up on the signal .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But the procedure that you 're imagining , I mean , people vary from this , is that they have the mixed signal wave form in front of them ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and they have multiple , uh , well , let 's see , there isn't {disfmarker} we don't have transcription yet . So {disfmarker} but there 's markers of some sort that have been happening automatically ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and those show up on the mixed signal ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "There 's a @ @ clicks ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "N the t",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "they show up on the separate ribbons . So you have a separate ribbon for each channel ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "There 're separate ribbons .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and i i it 'll be {disfmarker} because it 's being segmented as channel at a time with his {disfmarker} with Thilo 's new procedure , then you don't have the correspondence of the times across the bins {disfmarker} uh across the ribbons uh you could have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And is there a line moving across the waveform as it goes ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so The way you 're imaging is they kind of play it , and they see oh this happened , then this happened , then {disfmarker} and if it 's about right , they just sort of let it slide ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and if it {disfmarker} if it {disfmarker} there 's a question on something , they stop and maybe look at the individual wave form .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well not {disfmarker} not \" look \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , they wouldn't look at it {pause} at this point . They would just listen .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "They {disfmarker} they might look at it , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , the problem is that the {disfmarker} the interface doesn't really allow you to switch visuals .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Not very quickly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "The problem is that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} the Tcl - TK interface with the visuals , it 's very slow to load waveforms .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You can but it takes time . That 's it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And so when I tried {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that was the first thing I tried when I first started it ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . Visually . You can {disfmarker} you can switch quickly between the audio ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but you just can't get the visual display to show quickly . So you have to {disfmarker} It takes , I don't know , three , four minutes to {disfmarker} Well , I mean , it takes {disfmarker} it takes long enough {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's very slow to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It takes long enough cuz it has to reload the I {disfmarker} I don't know exactly what it 's doing frankly cuz {disfmarker} but it t it takes long enough that it 's just not a practical alternative .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That w",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well it {disfmarker} it does some sort of shape pre - computation so that it can then scroll it quickly ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But you can cancel that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah . But then you can't change the resolution or scroll quickly .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Now you could set up multiple windows , each one with a different signal showing , and then look between the windows .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Huh !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe that 's the solution .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker} we could do different interfaces ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What if you preload them all ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "right ? I mean , so {disfmarker} so we could use like X Waves instead of Transcriber ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and it loads faster , certainly .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What if you were to preload all the channels or {disfmarker} or initially {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's what I tried originally .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "like doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I actually before , uh , Dave Gelbart did this , I did an interface which showed each waveform and ea a ribbon for each waveform ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but the problem with it is even with just three waveforms it was just painfully slow to scroll . So you just scroll a screen and it would , you know go \" kur - chunk ! \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And so it just was not doable with the current interface .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You know , I am thinking if we have a meeting with only four speakers and , you know , you could fire up a Transcriber interface for , y you know , in different windows , multiple ones , one for each channel . And it 's sort of a {disfmarker} a hack but I mean it would be one way of seeing the visual form .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I think that if we decide that we need {disfmarker} that they need to see the visuals , we need to change the interface so that they can do that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's actually what I thought of , loading the chopped up waveforms , I mean , you know , that {disfmarker} that would make it faster {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "An But isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The chopped up waveforms .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The problem is if {disfmarker} if anything 's cut off , you can't expand it from the chopped up {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Isn't that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right , but if you a at some point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And wouldn't that be the same {comment} as the mixed signal ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean the individual channels that were chopped up that {disfmarker} it 'd be nice to be able to go back and forth between those short segments .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz you don't really nee like nine tenths of the time you 're throwing most of them out , but what you need are tho that particular channel , or that particular location ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "um , might be nice , cuz we save those out already , {comment} um , to be able to do that . But it won't work for IBM of course , it only works here cuz they 're not saving out the individual channels .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I do think that this {disfmarker} this will be a doable procedure ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and have them starting with mixed",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from {disfmarker} from audio view .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , hopefully , I mean {disfmarker} The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized . So I think they should be able to hear . The only problem is {disfmarker} is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not . So , I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right but {disfmarker} but once {disfmarker} once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch . Right . And then you would switch into the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But right now , to do this limitation , the switching is going to be switching of the audio ? Is what she 's saying .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right , so {disfmarker} so",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so they 're using their ears to do these markings anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "did Dave {disfmarker} Did Dave do that change where you can actually just click rather than having to go up to the menu to listen to the individual channels ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Click {disfmarker} Um ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I had suggested it before . I just don't know whether he did it or not .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure what {disfmarker} click what {disfmarker} click on the ribbon ? Yeah , you can get that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "oh , oh , get {disfmarker} you can get the , uh {disfmarker} you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but , um , maybe he 's changed it again .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I disagree . There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you {disfmarker} it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio . There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel . So right now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , I just don't {disfmarker} I don't see that it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , that 's the i I {disfmarker} I think that might be a personal style thing . I find it really convenient the way {disfmarker} the way it 's set up right now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly {disfmarker} \" well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan \" , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine . Yeah , it 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No I {disfmarker} I agree that 'd be nice . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , um , Done with that ? Does any {disfmarker} I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any {disfmarker} any Eurospeech submission related to this ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time . I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper . So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see . So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah there was that {disfmarker} we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I haven't {disfmarker} I haven't listened to them either ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I was going to do that this afternoon .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but there must be something wrong , I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , Morgan and I were {disfmarker} were having a debate {comment} about that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "unless our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Whereas I think it it 's probably something pathologic and actually Stephane 's results , I think confirm that . He s he did the Aurora system also got very lousy average error , like fifteen or {disfmarker} or , uh , fifteen to twenty percent average ? But then he ran it just on the lapel , and got about five or six percent word error ? So that {disfmarker} that means to me that somewhere in the other recordings there are some pathological cases . But , you know , we {disfmarker} th that may not be true . It may be just some of the segments they 're just doing a lousy job on . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll listen to it and find out since you 'd actually split it up by segment .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I can actually listen to it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Did you run the {disfmarker} Andreas {disfmarker} the r SRI recognizer on the digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought he had sent that around to everyone ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "did you just sent that to me ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , I d I didn't .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Since I considered those preliminary , I didn't .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I it wasn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But , yeah , if you take {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It was bimodal .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So if you {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's actually , um , it {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it was trimodal , actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , was it trimodal , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "trimodal , so",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There 's zero , a little bit , and a lot .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "there were {disfmarker} {vocalsound} t there was {disfmarker} there was one h one bump at ze around zero , which were the native speakers ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Zero percent error ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the non - pathological native speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Then there was another bump at , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} oh , like fifteen or something .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is error you 're talking about ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh was it fifteen ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "whe",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Those were the non - natives . And then there was another distinct bump at , like , a hundred , {vocalsound} which must have been some problem .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wow ! Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I can't imagine that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What is patho what do you mean by pathological ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just something really wrong with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry , I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "A bug is what I mean ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "In the recording",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "so that it 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And there was this one meeting , I forget which one it was , where like , uh , six out of the eight channels were all , like {disfmarker} had a hundred percent error .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Which probably means like there was a {disfmarker} th the recording interface crashed ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "or there was a short {disfmarker} you know , someone was jiggling with a cord",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or , uh , I extracted it incorrectly ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "it was labeled {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "it was transcribed incorrectly , something really bad happened , and I just haven't listened to it yet to find out what it was .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So , if I excluded the pathological ones , {vocalsound} by definition , those that had like over ninety - five percent error rate , {vocalsound} and the non - natives , then the average error rate was like one point four or something ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What we 're calling .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker} which seemed reasonable given that , you know , the models weren't tuned for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And the grammar wasn't tuned either .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And it didn't matter whether it was the lapel or whether it was the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It was just a @ @ . I haven't split it up that way ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But there 's no overlap during the digit readings , so it shouldn't really matter .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but it would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No , but there 's a little difference ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There 's a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and we haven't looked at it for digits ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I was curious about that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so , cuz {disfmarker} because what he was {disfmarker} what I was saying when I looked at those things is it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I was almost gonna call it quadrimodal because {vocalsound} {disfmarker} because there was a whole lot of cases where it was zero percent .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They just plain got it all right . And then there {disfmarker} and then there was another bunch that were couple percent or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But if you p if you actually histogrammed it , and {disfmarker} it was a nice {disfmarker} uh , you know , it {disfmarker} it was {disfmarker} zero was the most of them ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "A normal . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but then there were {disfmarker} the others were sort of decaying from there .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And then there was the bump for the non - natives and then the pathological ones ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I see . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cuz some of our non - natives are pretty non - native . So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} did you have , uh , something in the report about , uh , {disfmarker} about , uh , for f uh , forced alignment ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Have you {disfmarker} have you started on that ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , yeah , so I 've been struggling with the forced alignments . Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So the scheme that I drew on the board last time where we tried to , um {vocalsound} allow reject models for the s speech from other speakers , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} most of the time it doesn't work very well . So , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} and the {disfmarker} I haven't done {disfmarker} I mean , the only way to check this right now was for me to actually {vocalsound} load these into X Waves and , you know , plus the alignments , and s play them and see where the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And it looks {disfmarker} And so I looked at all of the utterances from you , Chuck , in that one conversation , I don't know which {disfmarker} You probably know which one I mean , it 's where you were on the lapel {vocalsound} and Morgan was sitting next to you and we can hear everything Morgan says .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and some of what you {disfmarker} I mean , you also appear quite a bit in that cross - talk . So , {vocalsound} I actually went through all of those , there were I think fifty - five segments , {vocalsound} um , in {disfmarker} in X Waves , and {disfmarker} and sort of did a crude check , and {vocalsound} more often than not , it {disfmarker} it gets it wrong . So there 's either the beginning , mostly the beginning word , {vocalsound} where th you , um , you know , Chuck talks somewhere into the segment , but the first , um , word of what he says , often \" I \" but it 's very reduced \" I , \" that 's just aligned {vocalsound} to the beginning of someone else 's speech , uh in that segment , which is cross - talk . So , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} I 'm still tinkering with it , but it might well be that we can't get clean alignments out of this {disfmarker} out of those , uh , {vocalsound} channels , so .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Unless maybe we do this , uh , um , cancellation business .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right , but that 's {disfmarker} I mean , that was our plan ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but it 's clear from Dan that this is not something you can do in a short amount of time .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , the short amount of time thing , right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so we {disfmarker} you know , we had spent a lot of time , um , writing up the HLT paper and we wanted to use that , uh , kind of analysis ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but the HLT paper has , you know , it 's a very crude measure of overlap . It 's not really something you could scientifically say is overlap , it 's just whether or not the , um , the segments that were all synchronized , whether there was some overlap somewhere .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "c High correlation .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And , you know , that pointed out some differences , so he thought well if we can do something quick and dirty because Dan said the cross - cancellation , it 's not straight - forward . If it were straight - forward then we would try it , but {disfmarker} so , it 's sort of good to hear that it was not straight - forward , thinking if we can get decent forced alignments , then at least we can do sort of a overall report of what happens with actual overlap in time , but , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I didn't think that his message said it wasn't straight - forward .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well if we 'd just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I thought he 's just saying you have to look over a longer time window when you do it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and the {disfmarker} but there are some issues of this timing , um , in the recordings",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you just have to look over longer time when you 're trying to align the things , you can't {disfmarker} you can't just look {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . are you talking about the fact that the recording software doesn't do time - synchronous ? Is that what you 're referring to ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That seems to me you can do that over the entire file and get a very accurate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I don't thi I d I don't think that was the issue .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} yeah , that was sort of a side issue .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I didn't think so either .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The issue was that you have {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} you have have {disfmarker} you first have to have a pretty good speech detection on the individual channels .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And it 's dynamic , so I guess it was more dynamic than some simple models would be able t to {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so there are some things available , and I don't know too much about this area where if people aren't moving around much than you could apply them , and it should work pretty well if you took care of this recording time difference .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right , which should be pretty straight forward .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Which a at least is well defined , and",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um , but then if you add the dynamic aspect of adapting distances , then it wasn't {disfmarker} I guess it just wasn't something that he could do quickly {pause} and not {disfmarker} in time for us to be able to do something by two weeks from now , so . Well less than a week . So {disfmarker} um , so I don't know what we can do if anything , that 's sort of worth , you know , a Eurospeech paper at this point .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , Andreas , how well did it work on the non - lapel stuff ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's what I was gonna say .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I haven't checked those yet .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "C",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's very tedious to check these .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , we would really need , ideally , a transcriber {vocalsound} to time mark the {disfmarker} you know , the be at least the beginning and s ends {comment} of contiguous speech . Um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} and , you know , then with the time marks , you can do an automatic comparison of your {disfmarker} of your forced alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} really the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} at least in terms of how we were gonna use this in our system was to get an ideal {disfmarker} an idea , uh , for each channel about the start and end boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , MNCM . ",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We don't really care about like intermediate word boundaries , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's how I 've been looking at it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I don't care that the individual words are aligned correctly ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} you don't wanna , uh , infer from the alignment that someone spoke who didn't .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right , exactly . So that 's why I was wondering if it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , maybe if it doesn't work for lapel stuff , we can just not use that",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I haven't {disfmarker} I ha just haven't had the time to , um , do the same procedure on one of the {disfmarker} so I would need a k I would need a channel that has {vocalsound} a speaker whose {disfmarker} who has a lot of overlap but s you know , is a non - lapel mike . And , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} where preferably , also there 's someone sitting next to them who talks a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So a meeting with me in it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "maybe someone can help me find a good candidate and then I would be willing to",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We c you know what ? Maybe the best way to find that would be to look through these .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know , hand",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz you can see the seat numbers , and then you can see what type of mike they were using . And so we just look for , you know , somebody sitting next to Adam at one of the meetings {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Actually y we can tell from the data that we have ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "From the insertions , maybe ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "um , yeah , there 's a way to tell .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "fr fr from the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It might not be a single person who 's always overlapping that person but any number of people ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and , um , if you align the two hypothesis files across the channels , you know , just word alignment , you 'd be able to find that . So {disfmarker} so I guess that 's sort of a last {disfmarker} ther there 're sort of a few things we could do . One is just do like non - lapels if we can get good enough alignments . Another one was to try to get {disfmarker} somehow align Thilo 's energy segmentations with what we have . But then you have the problem of not knowing where the words are because these meetings were done before that segmentation . But maybe there 's something that could be done .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what is {disfmarker} why do you need the , um , the forced alignment for the HLT {disfmarker} I mean for the Eurospeech paper ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess I {disfmarker} I wanted to just do something not on recognition experiments because that 's ju way too early , but to be able to report , you know , actual numbers . Like if we {disfmarker} if we had hand - transcribed pe good alignments or hand - checked alignments , then we could do this paper . It 's not that we need it to be automatic . But without knowing where the real words are , in time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it was to get {disfmarker} it was to get more data and better {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to squeeze the boundaries in .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To {disfmarker} to know what an overlap really {disfmarker} if it 's really an overlap , or if it 's just a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a segment correlated with an overlap ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and I guess that 's the difference to me between like a real paper and a sort of , promissory paper . So , um , if we d it might be possible to take Thilo 's output and like if you have , um , like right now these meetings are all ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ugh ! I forgot the digital camera again .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Every meeting !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know , they 're time - aligned , so if these are two different channels and somebody 's talking here and somebody else is talking here , just that word , if Thilo can tell us that there 're boundaries here , we should be able to figure that out",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "because the only thing transcribed in this channel is this word . But , um , you know , if there are things {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Two words .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you have two and they 're at the edges , it 's like here and here , and there 's speech here , then it doesn't really help you , so , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Thilo 's won't put down two separate marks in that case {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well it w it would , but , um , we don't know exactly where the words are because the transcriber gave us two words in this time bin",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Thilo 's will . But .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and we don't really know , I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's a merging problem . If you had a {disfmarker} if you had a s if you had a script which would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "yeah it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 've thought about this , um , and I 've discussed {disfmarker} I 've discussed it with Thilo ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you have any ideas . I would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um , the , I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} in principle I could imagine writing a script which would approximate it to some degree , but there is this problem of slippage ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe {disfmarker} Maybe that will get enough of the cases to be useful .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , that {disfmarker} that would be really helpful . That was sort of another possibility .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know s cuz it seemed like most of the cases are in fact the single word sorts , or at least a single phrase",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well they {disfmarker} they can be stretched .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "in most of the bins .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't make that generalization cuz sometimes people will say , \" And then I \" and there 's a long pause",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and finish the sentence and {disfmarker} and sometimes it looks coherent and {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} I mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's not a simple problem . But it 's really {disfmarker} And then it 's coupled with the problem that sometimes , you know , with {disfmarker} with a fricative you might get the beginning of the word cut off and so it 's coupled with the problem that Thilo 's isn't perfect either . I mean , we 've i th it 's like you have a merging problem plus {disfmarker} so merging plus this problem of , uh , not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "y i i if the speech - nonspeech were perfect to begin with , the detector , that would already be an improvement , but that 's impossible , you know , i that 's too much to ask .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And so i and may you know , I mean , it 's {disfmarker} I think that there always {disfmarker} th there would have to be some hand - tweaking , but it 's possible that a script could be written to merge those two types of things . I 've {disfmarker} I 've discussed it with Thilo and I mean {disfmarker} in terms of not him doing it , but we {disfmarker} we discussed some of the parameters of that and how hard it would be to {disfmarker} in principle {disfmarker} to write something that would do that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I guess in the future it won't be as much as an issue if transcribers are using the tightened boundaries to start with , then we have a good idea of where the forced alignment is constrained to .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's just , you know , a matter of we had the revolution {disfmarker} we had the revolution of improved , uh , interface , um , one month too late ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm no I don't know if this",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Tools .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but it 's like , you know , it 's wonderful to have the revolution ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh it 's {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so it 's just a matter of {disfmarker} of , you know , from now on we 'll be able to have things channelized to begin with .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . And we 'll just have to see how hard that is .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so whether the corrections take too much time .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I was just thinking about the fact that if Thilo 's missed these short segments , that might be quite time - consuming for them to insert them .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But he {disfmarker} he also can adjust this minimum time duration constraint and then what you get is noises mostly ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Spurious .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but that might be OK , an",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It might be easier to delete something that 's wrong than to insert something that 's missing .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . And you can also see in the waveform {disfmarker} exac",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What do you think , Jane ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If you can feel confident that what the {disfmarker} yeah , that there 's actually something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that you 're not gonna miss something ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz then {disfmarker} then you just delete it , and you don't have to pick a time .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well the problem is I {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a really good question , and I really find it a pain in the neck to delete things because you have to get the mouse up there on the t on the text line and i and otherwise you just use an arrow to get down {disfmarker} I mean , i it depends on how lar th there 's so many extra things that would make it one of them harder than the other , or {disfmarker} or vice versa . It 's not a simple question . But , you know , I mean , in principle , like , you know , if one of them is easier then to bias it towards whichever one 's easier .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess the semantics aren't clear when you delete a segment , right ? Because you would say {disfmarker} You would have to determine what the surroundings were .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You could just say it 's a noise , though , and write , you know , a post - processor will just {disfmarker} all you have to do is just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If it 's really a noise .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or just say it 's {disfmarker} just put \" X , \" you know , like \" not speech \" or something ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's easier to add than delete , frankly ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then you can get {disfmarker} Yeah , or",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "because you have to , uh , maneuver around on the {disfmarker} on both windows then .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "To add or to delete ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "To delete .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Anyways , so I {disfmarker} I guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . That {disfmarker} Maybe that 's an interface issue that might be addressable .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's possible .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But I think it 's the semantics that are {disfmarker} that are questionable to me , that you delete something {disfmarker} So let 's say someone is talking to here , and then you have a little segment here . Well , is that part of the speech ? Is it part of the nonspeech ? I mean , w what do you embed it in ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "There 's something nice , though , about keeping , and this is probably another discussion , keeping the stuff that Thilo 's detector detected as possible speech and just marking it as not speech than deleting it . Because then when you align it , then the alignment can {disfmarker} you can put a reject model or whatever ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . So then they could just like put {disfmarker} Oh that 's what you meant by just put an \" X \" there .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and you 're consistent with th the automatic system ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's an interesting idea .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "whereas if you delete it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so all they {disfmarker} So that all they would have to do is put like an \" X \" there .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or some , you know , dummy reject mod",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So blank for {disfmarker} blank for silence , \" S \" \" S \" for speech , \" X \" \" X \" for something else .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "whatever , yeah . That 's actually a better way to do it cuz the a the forced alignment will probably be more consistent than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , like , I think there 's a complication which is that {disfmarker} that you can have speech and noise in s",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean if it 's just as easy , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , you know , on the same channel , the same speaker , so now sometimes you get a ni microphone pop and , uh , I mean , there 're these fuzzy hybrid cases , and then the problem with the boundaries that have to be shifted around . It 's not a simple {disfmarker} not a simple problem .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , quick question , though , at a high level do people think , let 's just say that we 're moving to this new era of like using the , um , pre - segmented t you know , non - synchronous conversations , does it make sense to try to take what we have now , which are the ones that , you know , we have recognition on which are synchronous and not time - tightened , and try to get something out of those for sort of purposes of illustrating the structure and the nature of the meetings , or is it better to just , you know , forget that and tr I mean , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think we 'll have to , eventually . And my hope was that we would be able to use the forced alignment to get it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . That was everybody 's hope .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But if we can't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And maybe we can for the non - lapel , but",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But if we can't , then maybe we just have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "is it worth {disfmarker} if we can't then we can fake it even if we 're {disfmarker} we report , you know , we 're wrong twenty percent of the time or ten percent of the time .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm thinking {disfmarker} are you talking about for a paper , or are talking about for the corpus .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} uh , that 's a good question actually .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean cuz for the corpus it would be nice if everything were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Actually that 's a good question because we 'd have to completely redo those meetings , and we have like ten of them now .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We wouldn't have to re - do them , we would just have to edit them .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , and also , I mean , I still haven't {disfmarker} I still haven't given up on forced alignment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "No , you 're right , actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think that when Brian comes , this 'll be uh an interesting aspect to ask him as well b",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "When {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "when Brian Kingsbury comes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , Brian . You s I thought you said Ryan . And it 's like , \" Who 's Ryan ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , good question .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , Ryan could come .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , that 's a good point , though , because for feature extraction like for prosody or something , I mean , the meetings we have now , it 's a good chunk of data {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "we need to get a decent f OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what my hope has been ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So we should at least try it even if we can't ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what {disfmarker} you know , ever since the {disfmarker} the February meeting that I transcribed from last year , forced alignment has been on the {disfmarker} on the table as a way of cleaning them up later .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "On the table , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so I 'm hopeful that that 's possible . I know that there 's complication in the overlap sections and with the lapel mikes ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we might be able , at the very worst , we can get transcribers to correct the cases where {disfmarker} I mean , you sort of have a good estimate where these places are because the recognition 's so poor . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we were never just gonna go with these as the final alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so you 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We were always gonna run them past somebody .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So we need some way to push these first chunk of meetings into a state where we get good alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm probably going to spend another day or so trying to improve things by , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} by using , um , acoustic adaptation . Um , the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Right now I 'm using the unadapted models for the forced alignments , and it 's possible that you get considerably better results if you , uh , manage to adapt the , {vocalsound} uh , phone models to the speaker and the reject model to the {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to all the other speech . Um , so",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Could you {disfmarker} could you at the same time adapt the reject model to the speech from all the other channels ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's what he just said .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's what he was saying .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I just said .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , not just the speech from that {disfmarker} of the other people from that channel ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but the speech from the a actual other channels .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , I see . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so . I don't think that would work ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ? Because you 'd {disfmarker} A lot of it 's dominated by channel properties .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "th Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But what you do wanna do is take the , even if it 's klugey , take the segments {disfmarker} the synchronous segments , the ones from the HLT paper , where only that speaker was talking .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you want to u",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Use those for adaptation , cuz if you {disfmarker} if you use everything , then you get all the cross - talk in the adaptation , and it 's just sort of blurred .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "If you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And that we know , I mean , we have that . And it 's about roughly two - thirds , I mean , very roughly averaged .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's not completely negligible . Like a third of it is bad for adaptation or so .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Cool . I thought it was higher than that , that 's pr",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It really {disfmarker} it depends a lot . This is just sort of an overall {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well I know what we 're not turning in to Eurospeech , a redo of the HLT paper .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} I don't wanna do that ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm doing that for AVIOS .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But I think we 're {disfmarker} oh , Morgan 's talk went very well , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Bleep .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , \" bleep \" . Yeah , really .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think Morgan 's talk went very well it woke {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "you know , it was really a well presented {disfmarker} and got people laughing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Some good jokes in it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Especially the batteried meter popping up ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that was hilarious . Right when you were talking about that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You know , that wa that was the battery meter saying that it was fully charged ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's full . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You said , \" Speaking about energy \" , or {vocalsound} something .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But that was funny .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That was very nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "He {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he was onto the bullet points about talking about the {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} the little hand - held , and trying to get lower power and so on ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Po - low power",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and Microsoft pops up a little window saying \" Your batteries are now fully charged . \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm thinking about scripting that for my talk , you know , put {disfmarker} put a little script in there to say \" Your batteries are low \" right when I 'm saying that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . No I mean , i in {disfmarker} in your case , I mean , you were joking about it , but , I mean , your case the fact that your talking about similar things at a couple of conferences , it 's not {disfmarker} these are conferences that have d really different emphases . Whereas HLT and {disfmarker} and Eurospeech , pretty {disfmarker} pretty {disfmarker} pretty similar , so I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can't see really just putting in the same thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Are too close , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , I d I don't think that paper is really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the HLT paper is really more of a introduction - to - the - project paper , and , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for Eurospeech we want some results if we can get them .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} probably wouldn't make sense ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or some {disfmarker} or some {disfmarker} I mean , I would see Eurospeech {disfmarker} if we have some Eurospeech papers , these will be paper p p uh , submissions .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "These will be things that are particular things , aspects of it that we 're looking at , rather than , you know , attempt at a global paper about it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Detail , yeah . Overall .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I did go through one of these meetings . I had , uh , one of the transcribers go through and tighten up the bins on one of the , uh , NSA meetings , and then I went through afterwards and double - checked it so that one is really very {disfmarker} very accurate .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I men I mentioned the link . I sent {disfmarker} You know that one ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} which one ? I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um , I 'm trying to remember {disfmarker} I don't remember the number off hand .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Those are all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's one of the NSA 's . I sent email before the conference , before last week .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Bef - What I mean is Wednesday , Thursday .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "That might {disfmarker} might have been the one {disfmarker} one of the ones that we did .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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{
"content": "I 'm sure that that one 's accurate , I 've been through it {vocalsound} myself .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So that might actually be useful but they 're all non - native speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So we could compare before and after",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , that 's what I was gonna say . The problem with those , they 're all German .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "oh , Darn !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's the problem with the NSA speakers .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And e and e and extremely hard to follow , like word - wise ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I bet the transcri I mean , I have no idea what they 're talking about ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I corrected it for a number of the words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "so ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure that , um , they 're {disfmarker} they 're accurate now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , actually I have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to go .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , this is tough for a language model probably {disfmarker} ",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but that might be useful just for speech .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , Andreas is leaving {disfmarker} leaving the building . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "See ya .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "See ya . I don't think we 'll go much longer .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , oh , before you l go {disfmarker} I guess it 's alright for you to talk a little without the mike {disfmarker} I noticed you adjusting the mike a lot , did it not fit you well ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well I won I noticed when you turned your head , it would {disfmarker} it would tilt .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it wasn't just tightened enough , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the {disfmarker} yeah , the s thing that you have tightened @ @ ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Actually if {disfmarker} if you have a larger head , that mike 's gotta go farther away which means the {disfmarker} the balance is gonna make it wanna tip down .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , see ya .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz , I 'm just thinking , you know , we were {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 've been talking about changing the mikes , uh , for a while ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and if these aren't {disfmarker} acoustically they seem really good , but if they 're not comfortable , we have the same problems we have with these stupid things .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's com This is the first time I 've worn this , I find it very comfortable .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I find it very comfortable too , but , uh , it looked like Andreas was having problems , and I think Morgan was saying it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , but I had it on {disfmarker} I had it on this morning and it was fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Can I see that ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh you did wear it this morning ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , it 's off , so you can put it on .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} yeah , I don't want it on , I just {disfmarker} I just want to , um , say what I think is a problem with this . If you are wearing this over your ears and you 've got it all the way out here , then the balance is gonna want to pull it this way .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Where as if somebody with a smaller head has it back here ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's more balanced .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Then it {disfmarker} then it falls back this way so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So we have to",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well wh what it 's supposed to do is the backstrap is supposed to be under your crown , and so that should be {disfmarker} should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "if it 's right against your head there , which is what it 's supposed to be , that balances it so it doesn't slide up .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So this is supposed to be under that little protuberance .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep , right {disfmarker} right below {disfmarker} if you feel the back of your head , you feel a little lump ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um , and so it 's supposed to be right under that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's really supposed to go more like this than like this .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes , exactly .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But then isn't that going to {disfmarker} Well , I guess you can control that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that tilts , right ? In lots and lots of different ways .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm not saying anything about bias towards small headsize ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "About heads ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but does seem , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It would be an advantage .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , wonder if it 's {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if he was wearing it over his hair instead of under his hair .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we should {disfmarker} We shou we should work on compressing the heads , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think probably it was {disfmarker} Yeah . It probably just wasn't tight enough to the back of his head . I mean , so the directions do talk about bending it to your size , which is not really what we want .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The other thing that would do it would be to hang a five pound weight off the back .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that 's good !",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What did you say ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "A little ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "wh",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hang a five pound weight off the {disfmarker} off the back .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hang a five pound weight off the back .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We did that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Weight .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} at Boeing I used {disfmarker} I was doing augmented reality so they had head - mounts on , and we {disfmarker} we had a little jury - rigged one with a welder 's helmet ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Counter - balance .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and we had just a bag with a bunch of marbles in it {vocalsound} as a counter - balance .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe this could be helpful just for evening the conversation between people . If people {disfmarker} those who talk a lot have to wear heavier weights or something , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um , so , uh , what was I gonna say ? Oh , yeah , I was gonna say , uh , I had these , uh , conversations with NIST folks also while I was there and {disfmarker} and , uh , um , so they {disfmarker} they have their {disfmarker} their plan for a room , uh , with , um , mikes in the middle of the table , and , uh , close - mounted mikes ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and they 're talking about close - mounted and lapels , just cuz",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And arrays ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "sort of {disfmarker} and the array .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And arrays ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so they were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "which is the i interesting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yep . And cameras .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And yeah , like multiple {disfmarker} multiple video cameras coverin covering every {disfmarker} everybody {disfmarker} every place in the room ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and video , right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , the {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the mikes in the middle , the head - mounted mikes , the lapel mikes , the array , uh , with {disfmarker} well , there 's some discussion of fifty - nine ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Fifty - nine elements .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "they might go down to fifty - seven Because , uh , there is , uh , some pressure from a couple people at the meeting for them to use a KEMAR head . I forget what KEMAR , uh , stands for ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but what it is is it 's dummy head that is very specially designed ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , so what they 're actually doing is they 're really {disfmarker} there 's really two recording systems .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So they may not be precisely synchronous , but the but there 's two {disfmarker} two recording systems , one with , I think , twenty - four channels , and one with sixty - four channels . And the sixty - four channel one is for the array , but they 've got some empty channels there , and anyway they {disfmarker} like they 're saying they may give up a couple or something if {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for the KEMAR head if they go {disfmarker} go with that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , it is a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , h uh , J Jonathan Fiscus did say that , uh , they have lots of software for doing calibration for skew and offset between channels",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and that they 've found that 's just not a big deal .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm not {pause} too worried about that . I was thinking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But they 're still planning to do like fake {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Scenario - based .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "they have to do something like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Y right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Their {disfmarker} their legal issues won't allow them to do otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But it sounded like they were {pause} pretty well thought out",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and they 're {disfmarker} they 're gonna be real meetings ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "it 's just that they 're with str with people who would not be meeting otherwise .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Did {disfmarker} did they give a talk on this or was this informal ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , we just had some discussions , various discussions with them .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's just informal .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I also sat and chatted with several of the NIST folks . They seemed like a good group .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What was the , um {disfmarker} the paper by , um , Lori Lamel that you mentioned ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , we sh we should just have you {disfmarker} have you read it , but , I mea ba i i uh , we 've all got these little proceedings ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "but , um , basically , it was about , um , uh , going to a new task where you have insufficient data and using {disfmarker} using data from something else , and adapting , and how well that works . Uh , so in {disfmarker} in fact it was pretty related to what Liz and Andreas did , uh , except that this was not with meeting stuff , it was with",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , like I think they s didn't they start off with Broadcast News system ? And then they went to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The - their Broadcast News was their acoustic models and then all the other tasks were much simpler .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So they were command and control and that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "TI - digits was one of them , and , uh , Wall Street Journal .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What was their rough {disfmarker} what was their conclusion ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , read Wall Street Journal . It works .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's a good paper , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , that was one of the ones that I liked .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Bring the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} It not only works , in some cases it was better , which I thought was pretty interesting , but that 's cuz they didn't control for parameters . So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Probably .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You know , the Broadcast News nets were {disfmarker} not nets ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Did they ever try going {disfmarker} going the other direction from simpler task to more complicated tasks ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "acoustic models {comment} were a lot more complex .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "n Not in that paper .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That might be hard .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , one of the big problems with that is {disfmarker} is often the simpler task isn't fully {disfmarker} doesn't have all the phones in it ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and that {disfmarker} that makes it very hard .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But I 've done the same thing . I 've been using Broadcast News nets for digits ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "like for the spr speech proxy thing that I did ? That 's what I did .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . It works .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , and they have {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} they have better adaptation than we had than that {disfmarker} that system ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so they {disfmarker} um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You mean they have some .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah , we should probably what would {disfmarker} actually what we should do , uh , I haven't said anything about this , but probably the five of us should pick out a paper or two that {disfmarker} that , uh , you know , got our interest , and we should go around the room at one of the Tuesday lunch meetings and say , you know , what {disfmarker} what was good about the conference ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Present . Yep . Do a trip report .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , the summarization stuff was interesting , I mean , I don't know anything about that field , but for this proposal on meeting summarization , um , I mean , it 's sort of a far cry because they weren't working with meeting type data , but he got sort of an overview on some of the different approaches ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Do you remember who the groups were that we 're doing ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so . Well there 're {disfmarker} this was the last day ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "A lot of different ones .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "R I think {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "but , I mean , there 's {disfmarker} that 's a huge field and probably the groups there may not be representative of the field , I {disfmarker} I don't know exactly that everyone submits to this particular conference ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Was {disfmarker} were there folks from BBN presenting ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but yet there was , let 's see , this was on the last day , Mitre , BBN , and , um , Prager {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mitre , BBN , IBM . Uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Maryland .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "um , I wo it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Columbia have anything ? No .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "no it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't {disfmarker} Who {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who did the order one ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "this was Wednesday morning . The sentence ordering one , was that Barselou , and these guys ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ugh ! {comment} I 'm just so bad at that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it 's in the program , I should have read it to remind myself , but that 's sort of useful and I think like when Mari and Katrin and Jeff are here it 'd be good to figure out some kinds of things that we can start doing maybe just on the transcripts cuz we already have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we do have word transcripts .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I like the idea that Adam had of {disfmarker} of , um , z maybe generating minutes based on some of these things that we have because it would be easy to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to do that just , you know , and {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it has to be , though , someone from this group because of the technical nature of the thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Someone who actually does take notes , um , {vocalsound} I 'm very bad at note - taking .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But I think what 's interesting is there 's all these different evaluations , like {disfmarker} just , you know , how do you evaluate whether the summary is good or not ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I always write down the wrong things .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I do take notes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and that 's what 's {disfmarker} was sort of interesting to me is that there 's different ways to do it ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "A judge .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Was SRA one of the groups talking about summarization , no ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hm - umm . No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It was an interesting session . One of those w",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And as I said , I like the Microsoft talk on {pause} scaling issues in , uh , word sense disambiguation ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that was interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that was an interesting discussion ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , I",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it was the only one {disfmarker} It was the only one that had any sort of real disagreement about .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The data issue comes up all the ti",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I didn't have as much disagreement as I would have liked ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but I didn't wanna {disfmarker} I wouldn I didn't wanna get into it because , uh , you know , it was the application was one I didn't know anything about ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , it just would have been , you know , me getting up to be argumentative , but {disfmarker} but , uh , I mean , the missing thi so {disfmarker} so what they were saying {disfmarker} it 's one of these things {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} you know , all you need is more data , sort of {disfmarker} But I mea i wh it {disfmarker} @ @ that 's {disfmarker} that 's dissing it , uh , improperly , I mean , it was a nice study . Uh , they were doing this {disfmarker} it wasn't word - sense disambiguation , it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it sort of was .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "was it w was it word - sense ? Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But it was {disfmarker} it was a very simple case of \" to \" versus \" too \" versus \" two \" and \" there \" , \" their \" , \" they 're \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And there and their and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and that you could do better with more data , I mean , that 's clearly statistically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And so , what they did was they had these different kinds of learning machines , and they had different amounts of data , and so they did like , you know , eight different methods that everybody , you know , uh , argues about {disfmarker} about , \" Oh my {disfmarker} my kind of learning machine is better than your kind of learning machine . \" And , uh , they were {disfmarker} started off with a million words that they used , which was evidently a number that a lot of people doing that particular kind of task had been using . So they went up , being Microsoft , they went up to a billion . And then they had this log scale showing a {disfmarker} you know , and {disfmarker} and naturally everything gets {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Them being beep , {comment} they went off to a billion .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "they {disfmarker} well , it 's a big company , I didn't {disfmarker} I didn't mean it as a ne anything negative ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but i i i",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You mean the bigger the company the more words they use for training ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think the reason they can do that , is that they assumed that text that they get off the web , like from Wall Street Journal , is correct , and edit it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So that 's what they used as training data . It 's just saying if it 's in this corpus it 's correct .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . But , I mean , yes . Of course there was the kind of effect that , you know , one would expect that {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} that you got better and better performance with more and more data . Um , but the {disfmarker} the real point was that the {disfmarker} the different learning machines are sort of all over the place , and {disfmarker} and by {disfmarker} by going up significantly in data you can have much bigger effect then by switching learning machines and furthermore which learning machine was on top kind of depended on where you were in this picture , so ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This was my concern about the recognizer in Aurora .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , That {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That the differences we 're seeing in the front - end is b",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Are irrelevant .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "are irrelevant once you get a real recognizer at the back - end .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "If you add more data ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , could well be . So {disfmarker} so , I mean , that was {disfmarker} that was kind of , you know , it 's a good point , but the problem I had with it was that the implications out of this was that , uh , the kind of choices you make about learning machines were therefore irrelevant which is not at {disfmarker} n t as for as I know in {disfmarker} in tasks I 'm more familiar with @ @ is not at all true . What i what is {disfmarker} is true is that different learning machines have different properties , and you wanna know what those properties are . And someone else sort of implied that well we s you know , a all the study of learning machine we still don't know what those properties are . We don't know them perfectly , but we know that some kinds use more memory and {disfmarker} and some other kinds use more computation and some are {disfmarker} are hav have limited kind of discrimination , but are just easy to use , and others are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But doesn't their conclusion just sort of {disfmarker} you could have guessed that before they even started ? Because if you assume that these learning things get better and better and better ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You would guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "then as you approach {disfmarker} there 's a point where you can't get any better , right ? You get everything right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's just no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So they 're all approaching .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , but there was still a spread . They weren't all up They weren't converging .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But what I 'm saying is that th they have to , as they all get better , they have to get closer together .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It w",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "They were all still spread . But they {disfmarker} Right , right . Sure . But they hadn't even come close to that point . All the tasks were still improving when they hit a billion .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But they 're all going the same way , right ? So you have to get closer .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Eventually . O one would",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But they didn't get closer .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh they didn't ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "They just switched position .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "well that 's getting cl I mean , yeah , the spread was still pretty wide that 's th that 's true ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but , uh , I think it would be irntu intu intuition that this would be the case , but , uh , to really see it and to have the intuition is quite different , I mean , I think somebody w w let 's see who was talking about earlier that the effect of having a lot more data is quite different in Switchboard than it is in {disfmarker} in Broadcast News ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's different for different tasks .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It was Liz . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it depends a lot on whether , you know , it {disfmarker} disambiguation is exactly the case where more data is better , right ? You 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you can assume similar distributions ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but if you wanted to do disambiguation on a different type of , uh , test data then your training data , then that extra data wouldn't generalize ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But , I think one of their p They {disfmarker} they had a couple points . w {comment} Uh , I think one of them was that \" Well , maybe simpler algorithms and more data are {disfmarker} is better \" . Less memory , faster operation , simpler . Right ? Because their simplest , most brain - dead algorithm did pretty darn well",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "when you got {disfmarker} gave it a lot more data . And then also they were saying , \" Well , m You have access to a lot more data . Why are you sticking with a million words ? \" I mean , their point was that this million - word corpus that everyone uses is apparently ten or fifteen years old . And everyone is still using it , so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But anyway , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's just the {disfmarker} the i it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not really the conclusion they came to so much , as the conclusion that some of the , uh , uh , commenters in the crowd {vocalsound} came up with",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But we could talk about this stuff , I think this would be fun to do . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "that , uh , you know , this therefore is further evidence that , you know , more data is really all you should care about , and that I thought was just kind of going too far the other way ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Machine - learning .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} the , uh , one {disfmarker} one person ga g g got up and made a {disfmarker} a brief defense , uh , but it was a different kind of grounds , it was that {disfmarker} that , uh , i w the reason people were not using so much data before was not because they were stupid or didn't realize data was important , but in fact th they didn't have it available . Um , but the other point to make a again is that , uh , machine learning still does matter , but it {disfmarker} it matters more in some situations than in others , and it {disfmarker} and also there 's {disfmarker} there 's not just mattering or not mattering , but there 's mattering in different ways . I mean , you might be in some situation where you care how much memory you 're using , or you care , you know , what recall time is ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or you care , you know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or you only have a million words {pause} for your {disfmarker} some new task .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or {disfmarker} or , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or done another language , or {disfmarker} I mean , you {disfmarker} so there 's papers on portability and rapid prototyping and blah - blah - blah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and then there 's people saying , \" Oh , just add more data . \"",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And there 's cost !",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , these are like two different religions , basically .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Cost .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "There 's just plain cost ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's a big one .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know , so {disfmarker} so these , I mean th the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the speech side , the thing that @ @ always occurs to me is that if you {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} one person has a system that requires ten thousand hours to train on , and the other only requires a hundred , and they both do about the same because the hundred hour one was smarter , that 's {disfmarker} that 's gonna be better . because people , I mean , there isn't gonna be just one system that people train on",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and then that 's it for the r for all of time . I mean , people are gonna be doing other different things , and so it {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these things matters {disfmarker} matter .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that 's one of the slides they put up .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , this was a very provocative slide . She put this up , and it was like this is {disfmarker} this p people kept saying , \" Can I see that slide again ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then they 'd make a comment , and one person said , well - known person said , um , you know , \" Before you dismiss forty - five years including my work {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Forty - five years of research .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But th you know , the same thing has happened in computational linguistics , right ? You look at the ACL papers coming out , and now there 's sort of a turn back towards , OK we 've learned statistic {disfmarker} you know , we 're basically getting what we expect out of some statistical methods , and , you know , the there 's arguments on both sides ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think the matters is the thing that {disfmarker} that was misleading .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That was very offending , very offending .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} all {disfmarker} all of them are based on all the others , right ? Just , you {disfmarker} you can't say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe they should have said \" focus \" or something .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , so . {disfmarker} And I 'm saying the same thing happened with speech recognition , right ? For a long time people were hand - c coding linguistic rules and then they discovered machine - learning worked better . And now they 're throwing more and more data and worrying {disfmarker} perhaps worrying less and less about , uh , the exact details of the algorithms .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then you hit this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Except when they have a Eurospeech paper .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , tea is {disfmarker} tea is , uh , starting .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Shall we read some digits ? Are we gonna do one at a time ? Or should we read them all agai at once again .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Let 's do it all at once .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"answer": "The group discussed efforts to train and test the Aurora group's HTK-based recognition system on ICSI's digits corpus. Members also discussed efforts to produce forced alignments from a selection of Meeting Recorder data. Performance in both tasks was adversely affected by the manner of recording conditions implemented and difficulties attributing utterances to the appropriate speakers. While debugging efforts resulted in improved forced alignments, dealing with mixed channel speech and speaker overlap remains a key objective for future work. The group is additionally focused on a continued ability to feed different features into the recognizer and then train the system accordingly. ",
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"answer": "For comparing Meeting Recorder digits results, it was decided that the Aurora HTK-based system should be tested on data from the TI digits corpus",
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"answer": "Current speech alignment techniques assume that foreground speech must be continuous and, barring some isolated words and backchannels, can not cope with overlapping background speech. Performing adaptations on both the foreground and background speaker produced a new variety of misalignments, a problem resulting, in part, from the fact that background speakers often match better to foreground conditions. ",
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"content": "OK , we 're on .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wireless check that they 're on .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "C we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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{
"content": "I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK , our agenda was quite short .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , could you {pause} close the door , maybe ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "Sure . Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on {disfmarker} on , uh , forced alignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on ,",
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"content": "but they didn't ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "We should do that second , because Liz might join us in time for that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Um . OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing , {vocalsound} which I came unprepared for , uh , {vocalsound} is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants to discuss about the Saturday meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "So . Any {disfmarker} I mean , maybe not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Digits and alignments . But {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
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"content": "Talk about aligning people 's schedules .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah . I mean {disfmarker} Right . Yeah , I mean , it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 's schedules .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Forced align .",
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"content": "If we 're very {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "With {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} whatever it was , a month and a half or something ahead of time , the only time we could find in common {disfmarker} roughly in common , was on a Saturday .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ugh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's pretty sad .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Have {disfmarker} Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in more of the meeting ? I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , if we had the {disfmarker} if we had the telephone on the table {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "No . But , h I mean , he probably has to go do something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "No , actually I {disfmarker} I have to {disfmarker} I have to shuttle {pause} kids from various places to various other places .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So . And I don't have {disfmarker} and I don't , um , have a cell phone",
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"content": "A cell phone ?",
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"content": "so I can't be having a conference call while driving .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "R r right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "No . {comment} It 's not good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "So we have to {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "That 's not good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Plus , it would make for interesting noise {disfmarker} background noise .",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yep .",
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"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
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"content": "So we have to equip him with a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with a head - mounted , uh , cell phone",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,",
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"content": "so it could get real {disfmarker} {vocalsound} real car noise .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Take advantage .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "I 'll let {disfmarker} I 'd let {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
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{
"content": "I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at the digits , eh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So , anyway , I can talk about digits . Um , did everyone get the results or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically {disfmarker} the only thing that was even slightly surprising was that the lapel did so well . Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising as maybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} as I felt it was . The lapel mike is a very high - quality microphone . And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually some advantages to it in terms of breath noises and clothes rustling {pause} if no one else is talking .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Um , so , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , the lapel 's gonna be better on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Or the cross - talk . Yeah .",
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"content": "The lapel is typically worse on the {disfmarker} on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustling their clothes ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Right . I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
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"content": "so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a very different task than sort of the natural .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah . You don't move much during reading digits , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers {disfmarker} other people 's talking is an indication of that it {disfmarker} the fact it is a good microphone .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Right . So in the digits , in most {disfmarker} most cases , there weren't other people talking .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "D do the lapel mikes have any directionality to them ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "There typically don't , no .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Because I {disfmarker} I suppose you could make some that have sort of {disfmarker} that you have to orient towards your mouth ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "They have a little bit ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "and then it would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "but they 're not noise - cancelling . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "They 're {disfmarker} they 're intended to be omni - directional .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And th it 's {disfmarker} and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , you know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , also , Andreas , on that one the {disfmarker} the back part of it should be right against your head . And that will he keep it from flopping aro up and down as much .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "It is against my head .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . Yeah , we actually talked about this in the , uh , front - end meeting this morning , too . Much the same thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
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"content": "and {disfmarker} and it was {disfmarker} uh , I mean , there the point of interest to the group was primarily that , um , {vocalsound} the , uh {disfmarker} the system that we had that was based on H T K , that 's used by , you know , {pause} all the participants in Aurora , {vocalsound} was so much worse {vocalsound} than the {disfmarker} than the S R",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Everybody .",
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"content": "And the interesting thing is that even though , {vocalsound} yes , it 's a digits task and that 's a relatively small number of words and there 's a bunch of digits that you train on , {vocalsound} it 's just not as good as having a {disfmarker} a l very large amount of data and training up a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a nice good big {vocalsound} HMM . Um , also you had the adaptation in the SRI system , which we didn't have in this . Um . So . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "And we know {disfmarker} Di - did I send you some results without adaptation ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Um . A {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a couple percent or some I mean {disfmarker} Well , I don't know it {disfmarker} Overall {disfmarker} Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember , but there was {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} there was a significant , um , loss or win {comment} from adaptation {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with adaptation . And , um , that was the phone - loop adaptation . And then there was a very small {disfmarker} like point one percent on the natives {disfmarker} uh , win from doing , um , you know , adaptation to {pause} the recognition hypotheses . And {pause} I tried both means adaptation and means and variances , and the variances added another {disfmarker} or subtracted another point one percent . So , {vocalsound} it 's , um {disfmarker} that 's the number there . Point six , I believe , is what you get with both , uh , means and variance adaptation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "But I think one thing is that , uh , I would presume {disfmarker} Hav - Have you ever t {vocalsound} Have you ever tried this exact same recognizer out on the actual TI - digits test set ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "It might be interesting to do that . Cuz my {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} cuz my sense , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "But {disfmarker} but , I have {disfmarker} I mean , people {disfmarker} people at SRI are actually working on digits .",
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "I could {disfmarker} and they are using a system that 's , um {disfmarker} you know , h is actually trained on digits , um , but h h otherwise uses the same , you know , decoder , the same , uh , training methods , and so forth ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "and I could ask them what they get {pause} on TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah , bu although I 'd be {disfmarker} I think it 'd be interesting to just take this exact actual system so that these numbers were comparable",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "and try it out on TI - digits .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Well , Adam knows how to run it ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah . No problem .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "so you just make a f",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Cuz our sense from the other {disfmarker} from the Aurora , uh , task is that {disfmarker}",
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"content": "And try it with TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "I mean , cuz we were getting sub one percent {vocalsound} numbers on TI - digits also with the tandem thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "So , {vocalsound} one {disfmarker} so there were a number of things we noted from this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "One is , yeah , the SRI system is a lot better than the HTK {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "this , you know , very limited training HTK system .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "Uh , but the other is that , um , the digits {vocalsound} recorded here in this room with these close mikes , i uh , are actually a lot harder than the {pause} studio - recording TI - digits . I think , you know , one reason for that , uh , might be that there 's still {disfmarker} even though it 's close - talking , there still is some noise and some room acoustics .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "And another might be that , uh , I 'd {disfmarker} I would presume that in the studio , uh , uh , situation recording read speech that if somebody did something a little funny or n pronounced something a little funny or made a little {disfmarker} that they didn't include it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "They didn't include it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "they made them do it again .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Whereas , I took out {pause} the ones that I noticed that were blatant {disfmarker} that were correctable .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "So that , if someone just read the wrong digit , I corrected it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "And then there was another one where Jose couldn't tell whether {disfmarker} I couldn't tell whether he was saying zero or six . And I asked him and he couldn't tell either .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad I"
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"content": "So I just cut it out .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "You know , so I just e edited out the first , i uh , word of the utterance . Um , so there 's a little bit of correction but it 's definitely not as clean as TI - digits . So my expectations is TI - digits would , especially {disfmarker} I think TI - digits is all {pause} American English .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Right ? So it would probably do even a little better still on the SRI system , but we could give it a try .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Well . But {pause} remember , we 're using a telephone bandwidth front - end here , uh , on this , uh {disfmarker} on this SRI system , so , {vocalsound} um , I was {disfmarker} I thought that maybe that 's actually a good thing because it {disfmarker} it gets rid of some of the {disfmarker} uh , the noises , um , you know , in the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} below and above the {disfmarker} um , the , you know , speech bandwidth",
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
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"content": "It is wide - band . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "and it was actually twenty kilohertz sampling .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I couldn't remember whether that was TI - digits or one of the other digit tasks .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . But {disfmarker} but , I would {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's easy enough to try , just run it on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "See w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , Morgan , you 're getting a little breath noise .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Now , eh , does {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You might wanna move the mike down a little bit .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "one {disfmarker} one issue {disfmarker} one issue with {disfmarker} with that is that {vocalsound} um , the system has this , uh , notion of a speaker to {disfmarker} which is used in adaptation , variance norm uh , you know , both in , uh , mean and variance normalization and also in the VTL {pause} estimation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I noticed the script that extracted it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Do y ? Is {disfmarker} ? So does {disfmarker} so th so does {disfmarker} does , um , {vocalsound} the TI - digits database have speakers that are known ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And is there {disfmarker} is there enough data or a comparable {disfmarker} comparable amount of data to {disfmarker} to what we have in our recordings here ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That I don't know . I don't know . I don't know how many speakers there are ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and how many speakers per utterance .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other thing would be to do it without the adaptation and compare to these numbers without the adaptation . That would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Uh , but I 'm not so much worried about the adaptation , actually , than {disfmarker} than the , um , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} the , uh , VTL estimation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If you have only one utterance per speaker you might actually screw up on estimating the {disfmarker} the warping , uh , factor . So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I strongly suspect that they have more speakers than we do . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . But it 's not the amount of speakers , it 's the num it 's the amount of data per speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we {disfmarker} we could probably do an extraction that was roughly equivalent .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , although I {disfmarker} I sort of know how to run it , there are a little {disfmarker} a f few details here and there that I 'll have to {pause} dig out .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . The key {disfmarker} So th the system actually extracts the speaker ID from the waveform names .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I saw that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And there 's a {disfmarker} there 's a script {disfmarker} and that is actually all in one script . So there 's this one script that parses waveform names and extracts things like the , um , speaker , uh , ID or something that can stand in as a speaker ID . So , we might have to modify that script to recognize the , um , speakers , {vocalsound} um , in the {disfmarker} in the , uh , um , {vocalsound} TI - digits {pause} database .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . And that , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Or you can fake {disfmarker} you can fake {pause} names for these waveforms that resemble the names that we use here for the {disfmarker} for the meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "That would be the , sort of {disfmarker} probably the safest way to do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I might have to do that anyway to {disfmarker} to do {disfmarker} because we may have to do an extract to get the {pause} amount of data per speaker about right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The other thing is , isn't TI - digits isolated digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Or is that another one ? I 'm {disfmarker} I looked through a bunch of the digits t corp corpora , and now they 're all blurring .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz one of them was literally people reading a single digit . And then others were connected digits .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Most of TI - digits is connected digits , I think .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I mean , we had a Bellcore corpus that we were using . It was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that 's {disfmarker} that was isolated digits .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it 's the Bell Gram . Bell Digits . Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "By the way , I think we can improve these numbers if we care to compr improve them {vocalsound} by , um , {vocalsound} not starting with the Switchboard models but by taking the Switchboard models and doing supervised adaptation on a small amount of digit data collected in this setting .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Because that would adapt your models to the room acoustics and f for the far - field microphones , you know , to the noise . And that should really improve things , um , further . And then you use those adapted models , which are not speaker adapted but sort of acous you know , channel adapted {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Channel adapted .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "use that as the starting models for your speaker adaptation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} But the thing is , uh {disfmarker} I mean , w when you {disfmarker} it depends whether you 're ju were just using this as a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a starter task for {disfmarker} you know , to get things going for conversational or if we 're really interested i in connected digits . And I {disfmarker} I think the answer is both . And for {disfmarker} for connected digits over the telephone you don't actually want to put a whole lot of effort into adaptation",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "because {vocalsound} somebody {pause} gets on the phone and says a number and then you just want it . You don't {disfmarker} don't , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} that one 's better .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Um , but , you know , I {disfmarker} uh , my impression was that you were actually interested in the far - field microphone , uh , problem , I mean . So , you want to {disfmarker} you want to {disfmarker} That 's the obvious thing to try .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Then , eh {disfmarker} because you {disfmarker} you don't have any {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "That 's where the most m acoustic mismatch is between the currently used models and the {disfmarker} the r the set up here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that 'd be anoth another interesting data point .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I guess I 'm saying I don't know if we 'd want to do that as the {disfmarker} as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Other way .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Other way . Liz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Now you 're all watching me .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It f it clips over your ears .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Alright . This way .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If you have a strong fe if you have a strong preference , you could use this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "You 're all watching . This is terrible .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just we {disfmarker} we think it has some spikes . So , uh , we {disfmarker} we didn't use that one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I 'll get it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But you could if you want .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . At any rate , I don't know if w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . And Andre - Andreas , your {disfmarker} your microphone 's a little bit low .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It is ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if we wanna use that as the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it pivots .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So if you see the picture",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} like this .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and then you have to scr",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I already adjusted this a number of times .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Eh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think these mikes are not working as well as I would like .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "can't quite seem to {disfmarker} Yeah , I think this contraption around your head is not {pause} working so well .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Too many adju too many adjustments . Yeah . Anyway , what I was saying is that I {disfmarker} I think I probably wouldn't want to see that as sort of like the norm , that we compared all things to .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That looks good . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "To , uh , the {disfmarker} to have {disfmarker} have all this ad all this , uh , adaptation . But I think it 's an important data point , if you 're {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . The other thing that {disfmarker} that , uh {disfmarker} of course , what Barry was looking at was {disfmarker} was just that , the near versus far . And , yeah , the adaptation would get {vocalsound} th some of that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , I think even {disfmarker} even if there was , uh , only a factor of two or something , like I was saying in the email , I think that 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that 's a big factor . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "N",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Liz , you could also just use the other mike if you 're having problems with that one .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This would be OK . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we think that this has spikes on it ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It 's this thing 's {disfmarker} This is too big for my head .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so it 's not as good acoustically ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , basically your ears are too big .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , mine are too . E th everybody 's ears are too big for these things .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , my {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} But this is too big for my head . So , I mean , {comment} {comment} it doesn't {disfmarker} you know , it 's sit",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you 'd rather have this one then it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's {pause} great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} To get that , uh , pivoted this way , it pivots like this .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No this way . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There you go .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And there 's a screw that you can tighten .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And then it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I already {pause} tried to get it close .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So if it doesn't bounce around too much , that 's actually good placement .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That looks good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But it looks like it 's gonna bounce a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , where were we ? Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Digits . Adaptation .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , adaptation , non - adaptation , um , factor of two , um {disfmarker} Oh , yeah . I know what I was go w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What k u By the way , wh what factor of two did you {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no , no .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's tha that {disfmarker} that we were saying , you know , well is {disfmarker} how much worse is far than near , you know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , th OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I mean it depends on which one you 're looking at ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That factor of two .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but for the everybody , it 's {vocalsound} little under a factor or two .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I know what I was thinking was that maybe , uh , i i we could actually t t try at least looking at , uh , some of the {disfmarker} the large vocabulary speech from a far microphone , at least from the good one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , before I thought we 'd get , you know , a hundred and fifty percent error or something , but if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if , uh {disfmarker} if we 're getting thirty - five , forty percent or something , {vocalsound} u um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Actually if you run , though , on a close - talking mike over the whole meeting , during all those silences , you get , like , four hundred percent word error .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . I understand . But doing the same kind of limited thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or some high number .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . Get all these insertions . But I 'm saying if you do the same kind of limited thing {vocalsound} as people have done in Switchboard evaluations or as {disfmarker} a",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Where you know who the speaker is and there 's no overlap ? And you do just the far - field for those regions ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . The same sort of numbers that we got those graphs from . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Could we do exactly the same thing that we 're doing now , but do it with a far - field mike ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , do it with one of {disfmarker} on",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we extract the times from the near - field mike , but you use the acoustics from the far - field mike .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . I understand that . I just meant that {disfmarker} so you have {pause} three choices . There 's , um {disfmarker} You can use times where that person is talking only from the transcripts but the segmentations were {disfmarker} were synchronized . Or you can do a forced alignment on the close - talking to determine that , the you know , within this segment , these really were the times that this person was talking and elsewhere in the segment other people are overlapping and just front - end those pieces . Or you can run it on the whole data , which is {disfmarker} which is , you know , a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but how did we get the {disfmarker} how did we determine the links , uh , that we 're testing on in the stuff we reported ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "In the H L T paper we took {pause} segments that are channel {disfmarker} time - aligned , which is now h being changed in the transcription process , which is good , and we took cases where the transcribers said there was only one person talking here , because no one else had time {disfmarker} any words in that segment and called that \" non - overlap \" .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And tha And that 's what we were getting those numbers from .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Tho - good {disfmarker} the good numbers .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The bad numbers were from {pause} the segments where there was overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we could start with the good ones .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But anyway {disfmarker} so I think that we should try it once with {vocalsound} the same conditions that were used to create those , and in those same segments just use one of the P Z",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we {disfmarker} we can do that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then , you know , I mean , the thing is if we were getting , uh {disfmarker} what , thirty - five , forty percent , something like that on {disfmarker} on that particular set , uh , does it go to seventy or eighty ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or , does it use up so much memory we can't decode it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It might also depend on which speaker th it is and how close they are to the PZM ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how different they are from each other .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You want to probably choose the PZM channel that is closest to the speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "To be best {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "For this particular digit ones , I just picked that one .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "f",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So we would then use that one , too ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is kind of central .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's {disfmarker} so i but I would {disfmarker} I 'd pick that one . It 'll be less good for some people than for other , but I {disfmarker} I 'd like to see it on the same {disfmarker} exact same data set that {disfmarker} that we did the other thing on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker} I sh actually should 've picked a different one ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because {pause} that could be why the PDA is worse . Because it 's further away from most of the people reading digits .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's further away . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's probably one of the reasons .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . You could look at , I guess , that PZM or something .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But the other is , it 's very , uh {disfmarker} I mean , even though there 's {disfmarker} I 'm sure the f f the {disfmarker} the SRI , uh , front - end has some kind of pre - emphasis , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} still , th it 's picking up lots of low - frequency energy .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , even discriminating against it , I 'm sure some of it 's getting through . Um . But , yeah , you 're right . Prob - a part of it is just the distance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And aren't these pretty bad microphones ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , they 're bad . But , I mean , if you listen to it , it sounds OK . You know ? u Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . When you listen to it , uh , the PZM and the PDA {disfmarker} Yeah , th the PDA has higher sound floor but not by a lot . It 's really pretty {disfmarker} uh , pretty much the same .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I just remember you saying you got them to be cheap on purpose . Cheap in terms of their quality . So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , they 're {pause} twenty - five cents or so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Th - we wanted them to be {disfmarker} to be typical of what would be in a PDA .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So they are {disfmarker} they 're not the PZM three hundred dollar type . They 're the twenty - five cent ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "buy them in packs of thousand type .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean , the thing is people use those little mikes for everything because they 're really not bad .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Everything .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you 're not {vocalsound} doing something ridiculous like feeding it to a speech recognizer , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {disfmarker} you know , you can hear the sou hear the sounds just fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's {disfmarker} They {disfmarker} I mean , i it 's more or less the same principles as these other mikes are built under , it 's just that {pause} there 's less quality control . They just , you know , churn them out and don't check them . Um . So . So that was {disfmarker} Yeah . So that was i interesting result . So like I said , the front - end guys are very much interested in {disfmarker} in this is as {disfmarker} as well and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , but where is this now ? I mean , what 's {disfmarker} where do we go from here ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That was gonna be my question .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker} so we have a {disfmarker} we have a {disfmarker} a system that works pretty well but it 's not , you know , the system that people here are used to using {disfmarker} to working with .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think what we wanna do is we want to {disfmarker} eh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what {disfmarker} what do we do now ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and we 've talked about this in other {pause} contexts {disfmarker} we want to {vocalsound} have the ability to feed it different features .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then , um , {vocalsound} from the point of view of the front - end research , it would be s uh , substituting for HTK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's the key thing . And then if we can feed it different features , then we can try all the different things that we 're trying there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then , um , uh , also Dave is {disfmarker} is thinking about using the data in different ways , uh , to {vocalsound} um , uh , explicitly work on reverberation",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "starting with some techniques that some other people have {pause} found somewhat useful , and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker} so the key {pause} thing that 's missing here is basically the ability to feed , you know , other features {vocalsound} i into the recognizer",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and also then to train the system .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , uh , es I don't know when Chuck will be back but that 's exactly what he {disfmarker} he 's gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "H h He 's {disfmarker} he 's sort of back , but he drove for fourteen hours an and wasn't gonna make it in today .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So , I think that 's one of the things that he said he would be working on . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Just sort of t to make sure that {pause} we can do that",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} uh , I mean , the {disfmarker} the front - end is f i tha that 's in the SRI recognizer is very nice in that it does a lot of things on the fly but it unfortunately {pause} is not {pause} designed and , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like the , uh , ICSI system is , where you can feed it from a pipeline of {disfmarker} of the command . So , the {disfmarker} what that means probably for the foreseeable future is that you have to , uh , dump out , um {disfmarker} you know , if you want to use some new features , you have to dump them into individual files and {pause} give those files to the recognizer .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We do {disfmarker} we tend to do that anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So , although you {disfmarker} you can pipe it as well , we tend to do it that way because that way you can concentrate on one block and not keep re - doing it over and over .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I 've {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So tha that 's exactly what the P - file {pause} is for .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the cumbersome thing is {disfmarker} is , um {disfmarker} is that you actually have to dump out little {disfmarker} little files .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So for each segment that you want to recognize {vocalsound} you have to {pause} dump out {pause} a separate file .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Just like i th like th as if there were these waveform segments , but instead you have sort of feature file segments . But , you know {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Cool . OK . So the s the {disfmarker} the next thing we had on the agenda was something about alignments ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yes , we have {disfmarker} I don't know , did you wanna talk about it , or {disfmarker} ? I can give a {disfmarker} I was just telling this to Jane and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} W we {disfmarker} we were able to get some definite improvement on the forced alignments by looking at them first and then realizing the kinds of errors {pause} that were occurring and um , some of the errors occurring very frequently are just things like the first word being moved to as early as possible in the recognition , which is a um , I think was both a {disfmarker} a pruning {pause} problem and possibly a problem with needing constraints on word locations . And so we tried both of these st things . We tried saying {disfmarker} I don't know , I got this {vocalsound} whacky idea that {disfmarker} just from looking at the data , that when people talk {pause} their words are usually chunked together . It 's not that they say one word and then there 's a bunch of words together . They 're {comment} might say one word and then another word far away if they were doing just backchannels ? But in general , if there 's , like , five or six words and one word 's far away from it , that 's probably wrong on average . So , um {disfmarker} And then also , ca the pruning , of course , was too {disfmarker} too severe .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's actually interesting . The pruning was the same value that we used for recognition . And we had lowered that {disfmarker} we had used tighter pruning after Liz ran some experiments showing that , you know , it runs slower and there 's no real difference in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Actually it was better with {disfmarker} slightly better or about th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No gain .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "it was the same with tighter pruning .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So for free recognition , this {disfmarker} the lower pruning value is better .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's probably cuz the recognition 's just bad en at a point where it 's bad enough that {disfmarker} that you don't lose anything .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} Correct . Right . Um , but it turned out for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} to get accurate alignments it was really important to open up the pruning significantly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} because otherwise it would sort of do greedy alignment , um , in regions where there was no real speech yet from the foreground speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} so that was one big factor that helped improve things and then the other thing was that , you know , as Liz said the {disfmarker} we f enforce the fact that , uh , the foreground speech has to be continuous . It cannot be {disfmarker} you cannot have a background speech hypothesis in the middle of the foreground speech . You can only have background speech at the beginning and the end .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , yeah , it isn't always true , and I think what we really want is some clever way to do this , where , um , you know , from the data or from maybe some hand - corrected alignments from transcribers that things like words that do occur just by themselves {pause} a alone , like backchannels or something that we did allow to have background speech around it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "those would be able to do that ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "but the rest would be constrained . So , I think we have a version that 's pretty good for the native speakers . I don't know yet about the non - native speakers . And , um , we basically also made noise models for the different {disfmarker} sort of grouped some of the {pause} mouth noises together . Um , so , and then there 's a background speech model . And we also {disfmarker} There was some neat {disfmarker} or , interesting cases , like there 's one meeting where , {vocalsound} um , Jose 's giving a presentation and he 's talking about , um , the word \" mixed {pause} signal \" and someone didn't understand , uh , that you were saying \" mixed \" {disfmarker} I think , Morgan . And so your speech - ch was s saying something about mixed signal .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And the next turn was a lot of people saying \" mixed \" , like \" he means mixed signal \" or \" I think it 's mixed \" . And the word \" mixed \" in this segment occurs , like , a bunch of times .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sh",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And Chuck 's on the lapel here , and he also says \" mixed \" but it 's at the last one , and of course the aligner th aligns it everywhere else to everybody else 's \" mixed \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "cuz there 's no adaptation yet . So there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think there 's some issues about {disfmarker} u We probably want to adapt at least the foreground speaker . But , I guess Andreas tried adapting both the foreground and a background generic speaker , and that 's actually a little bit of a f funky model . Like , it gives you some weird alignments , just because often the background speakers match better to the foreground than the foreground speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So there 's some things there ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "especially when you get lots of the same words , uh , occurring in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , the {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think you can do better by {vocalsound} uh , cloning {disfmarker} so we have a reject phone . And you {disfmarker} and what we wanted to try with {disfmarker} you know , once we have this paper written and have a little more time , {vocalsound} uh , t cloning that reject model and then one copy of it would be adapted to the foreground speaker to capture the rejects in the foreground , like fragments and stuff , and the other copy would be adapted to the background speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , in general we actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right now the words like {pause} partial words are {pause} reject models and you normally allow those to match to any word .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But then the background speech was also a reject model , and so this constraint of not allowing rejects in between {disfmarker} you know , it needs to differentiate between the two . So just sort of working through a bunch of debugging kinds of issues .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And another one is turns , like people starting with {vocalsound} \" well I think \" and someone else is {pause} \" well how about \" . So the word \" well \" is in this {disfmarker} in this {pause} segment multiple times , and as soon as it occurs usually the aligner will try to align it to the first person who says it . But then that constraint of sort of {disfmarker} uh , proximity constraint will push it over to the person who really said it in general .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is the proximity constraint a hard constraint , or did you do some sort of probabilistic weighting distance , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right now it 's a kluge .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . We {disfmarker} w OK . We {disfmarker} it 's straightforward to actually just have a {disfmarker} a penalty that doesn't completely disallows it but discourages it . But , um , we just didn't have time to play with , you know , tuning yet another {disfmarker} yet another parameter .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The ve level . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And really the reason we can't do it is just that we don't have a {disfmarker} we don't have ground truth for these . So , {vocalsound} we would need a hand - marked , um , {vocalsound} word - level alignments or at least sort of the boundaries of the speech betw you know , between the speakers . Um , and then use that as a reference and tune the parameters of the {disfmarker} of the model , uh , to op to get the best {pause} performance .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "G given {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , I wa I wa I was gonna ask you anyway , uh , how you assessed that things were better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I looked at them . I spent two days {disfmarker} um , in Waves {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it was painful because {vocalsound} the thing is , you know the alignments share a lot in common , so {disfmarker} And you 're {disfmarker} yo you 're looking at these segments where there 's a lot of speech . I mean , a lot of them have a lot of words . Not by every speaker",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but by some speaker there 's a lot of words . No , not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean that if you look at the individual segments from just one person you don't see a lot of words ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Ju",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but altogether you 'll see a lot of words up there .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so the reject is also mapping and pauses {disfmarker} So I looked at them all in Waves and just lined up all the alignments , and , at first it sort of looked like a mess and then the more I looked at it , I thought \" OK , well it 's moving these words leftward and {disfmarker} \" You know , it wasn't that bad . It was just doing certain things wrong . So {disfmarker} But , I don't , you know , have time to l {comment} to look at all of them and it would be really useful to have , like , a {disfmarker} a transcriber who could use Waves , um , just mark , like , the beginning and end of the foreground speaker 's real words {disfmarker} like , the beginning of the first word , the end of the last word {disfmarker} and then we could , you know , do some adjustments .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} OK . I have to ask you something , is i does it have to be Waves ? Because if we could benefit from what you did , incorporate that into the present transcripts , {comment} that would help .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then , um , the other thing is , I believe that I did hand So . One of these transcripts was gone over by a transcriber and then I hand - marked it myself so that we do have , uh , the beginning and ending of individual utterances . Um , I didn't do it word level ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but in terms {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} so for {disfmarker} for one of the N S A groups . And also I went back to the original one that I first transcribed and {disfmarker} and did it w uh , w uh , utterance by utterance for that particular one . So I think you do have {disfmarker} if that 's a sufficient unit , I think that you do have hand - marking for that . But it 'd be wonderful to be able to {vocalsound} benefit from your Waves stuff .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We don't care what {disfmarker} what tool you use .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , if {disfmarker} if you can , um {disfmarker} if you wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . I used it in Transcriber",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "U uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} it 's in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "well , Jane and I were {disfmarker} just in terms of the tool , talking about this . I guess Sue had had some {pause} reactions . You know , interface - wise if you 're looking at speech , you wanna be able to know really where the words are . And so , {vocalsound} we can give you some examples of sort of what this output looks like ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . Middle of the word , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "um , and see if you can in maybe incorporate it into the Transcriber tool some way , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I th I 'm thinking just ch e e incorporating it into the representation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "You mean like {disfmarker} Yeah , word start insights .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "if you have start points , if you have , like , time tags ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which is what I assume . Isn't that what {disfmarker} what you {disfmarker} ? Well , see , Adam would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , whatever you use .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we convert it to this format that the , um , NIST scoring tool unders uh , CTM . Conversation Time - Marked file . And {disfmarker} and then that 's the {disfmarker} that 's what the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think Transcriber , uh , outputs CTM .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "If it {disfmarker} ? OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So you would know this more than I would .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It seems like she {disfmarker} if she 's g if she 's moving time marks around ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "since our representation in Transcriber uses time marks , it seems like there should be some way of {disfmarker} of using that {disfmarker} benefitting from that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it wou the advantage would just be that when you brought up a bin you would be able {disfmarker} if you were zoomed in enough in Transcriber to see all the words ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "you would be able to , like , have the words sort of located in time , if you wanted to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so if we e e even just had a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} It sounds like w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we almost do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , if we {disfmarker} We have two .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We have two .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Just ha uh , trying out {pause} the alignment {vocalsound} procedure that you have on that",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you could actually get something , um {disfmarker} uh , uh , get an objective measure . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You mean on {disfmarker} on the hand - marked , um {disfmarker} So we {disfmarker} we only r hav I only looked at actually alignments from one meeting that we chose ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think MR four , just randomly , um {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually , not randomly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Not randomly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We knew {disfmarker} we knew that it had these insertion errors from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It had sort of {pause} average recognition performance in a bunch of speakers",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and it was a Meeting Recorder meeting . Um . But , yeah , we should try to use what you have . I did re - run recognition on your new version of MR one .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I mean the {disfmarker} the one with Dan {pause} Ellis in it {vocalsound} and Eric .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good ! Uh - huh . Yeah , exactly . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that was the new version .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} That {disfmarker} Yeah , actually it wasn't the new new , it was the medium new .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but we would {disfmarker} we should do the {disfmarker} the latest version .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It was the one from last week .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} did you adjust the {disfmarker} the utterance times , um , for each channel ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes , I did . And furthermore , I found that there were a certain number where {disfmarker} {vocalsound} not {disfmarker} not a lot , but several times I actually {vocalsound} moved an utterance from {vocalsound} Adam 's channel to Dan 's or from Dan 's to Adam 's . So there was some speaker identif And the reason was because {vocalsound} I transcribed that at a point before {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , before we had the multiple audio available f so I couldn't switch between the audio . I {disfmarker} I transcribed it off of the mixed channel entirely , which meant in overlaps , I was at a {disfmarker} at a terrific disadvantage .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In addition it was before the channelized , uh , possibility was there . And finally I did it using the speakers of my , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , off the CPU on my {disfmarker} on my machine cuz I didn't have a headphone .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it @ @ , like , I mean {disfmarker} Yeah , I {disfmarker} I mean , i in retrospect {vocalsound} it would 've been good to ha {vocalsound} have got I should 've gotten a headphone . But in any case , um , thi this is {disfmarker} this was transcribed in a {disfmarker} in a , {vocalsound} uh , less optimal way than {disfmarker} than the ones that came after it , and I was able to {disfmarker} you know , an and this meant that there were some speaker identif identifications which were changes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I know there were some speaker labelling problems , um , after interruptions .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Fixed that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you 're referring to ? I mean , cuz there 's this one instance when , for example , you 're running down the stairs .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I remember this meeting really well .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Don {disfmarker} Don has had {disfmarker} {vocalsound} He knows {disfmarker} he can just read it like a play .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . It 's a {disfmarker} Yeah , I 've {disfmarker} I 've {disfmarker} I 'm very well acquainted with this meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I can s",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "\" And then she said , and then he said . \"",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know it by heart . So , um , {vocalsound} there 's one point when you 're running down the stairs .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And , like , there 's an interruption . You interrupt somebody , but then there 's no line after that . For example , there 's no speaker identification after that line .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you 're talking about ? Or were there mislabellings as far as , like , the a Adam was {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That was fixed , um , before {disfmarker} i i i I think I I think I understood that pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz I thought I let you know about that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Thank you for mentioning . Yeah , no , tha that {disfmarker} That I think went away a couple of versions ago ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but it 's good to know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But you 're actually saying that certain , uh , speakers were mis mis - identified .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , with {disfmarker} under {disfmarker} um , uh , listening to the mixed channel , there were times when , as surprising as that is , I got Adam 's voice confused with Dan 's and vice versa {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "not for long utterances ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but jus just a couple of places ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and embedde embedded in overlaps . The other thing that was w interesting to me was that I picked up a lot of , um , backchannels which were hidden in the mixed signal ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which , you know , I mean , you c not {disfmarker} not too surprising . But the other thing that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hadn't thought about this , but I thou I wanted to raise this when you were {disfmarker} uh , with respect to also a strategy which might help with the alignments potentially , but that 's {disfmarker} When I was looking at these backchannels , they were turning up usually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} very often in {disfmarker} w well , I won't say \" usually \" {disfmarker} but anyway , very often , I picked them up in a channel {vocalsound} w which was the person who had asked a question . S so , like , someone says \" an and have you done the so - and - so ? \" And then there would be backchannels , but it would be the person who asked the question . Other people weren't really doing much backchannelling . And , you know , sometimes you have the {disfmarker} Yeah , uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's interesting . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , i it wouldn't be perfect , but {disfmarker} but it does seem more natural to give a backchannel when {disfmarker} when you 're somehow involved in the topic ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's really interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and the most natural way is for you to have initiated the topic by asking a question .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} No . I think it 's {disfmarker} actually I think what 's going on is backchannelling is something that happens in two - party conversations .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And if you ask someone a question , you essentially initiating a little two - party conversation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , actu Yeah , when we looked at this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So then you 're {disfmarker} so and then you 're expected to backchannel because the person is addressing you directly and not everybody .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Exactly my point . An - and so this is the expectation thing that {disfmarker} uh , uh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "just the dyadic {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But in addition , you know , if someone has done this analysis himself and isn't involved in the dyad , but they might also give backchannels to verify what {disfmarker} what the answer is that this {disfmarker} that the {disfmarker} the answerer 's given {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "H",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I tell you , I say {disfmarker} I say \" uh - huh \" a lot ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , but it 's interesting cuz , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "while people are talking to each other .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But there are fewer {disfmarker} I think there are fewer \" uh - huhs \" .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There you go . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , just from {disfmarker} We were looking at word frequency lists to try to find the cases that we would allow to have the reject words in between in doing the alignment . You know the ones we wouldn't constrain to be next to the other words .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And \" uh - huh \" is not as frequent as it sort of would be in Switchboard , if you looked at just a word frequency list of one - word short utterances . And \" yeah \" is way up there , but not \" uh - huh \" . And so I was thinking thi it 's not like {pause} you 're being encouraged by everybody else to keep {pause} talking in the meeting . And uh , that 's all , I I 'll stop there , cuz I I think what you say makes a lot of sense .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's right . And that would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But it was sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , an And what you say is the {disfmarker} is the re uh , o other side of this , which is that , you know , so th there are lots of channels where you don't have these backchannels , w when a question has been asked and {disfmarker} and these {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right . There 's just probably less backchannelling in general ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So that 's good news , really .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "even if you consider every other person altogether one person in the meeting , but we 'll find out anyway . We were {disfmarker} I guess the other thing we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} I should say is that we 're gonna , um try {disfmarker} compare this type of overlap analysis to Switchboard , where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and CallHome , where we have both sides , so that we can try to answer this question of , you know , {vocalsound} is there really more overlap in meetings or is it just because we don't have the other channel in Switchboard",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and we don't know what people are doing . Try to create a paper out of that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , y y you folks have probably {pause} already told me , but were {disfmarker} were you intending to do a Eurospeech submission , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , you mean the one due tomorrow ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we 're still , like , writing the scripts for doing the research , and we will {disfmarker} Yes , we 're gonna try .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And I was telling Don , do not {pause} take this as an example of how people should work .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Do as I say ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's r",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So , {comment} we will try .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "don't do as I do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 'll probably be a little late ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but I 'm gonna try it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It is different . In previous years , Eurospeech only had the abstract due by now , not the full paper .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And so all our timing was off . I 've given up on trying to do digits . I just don't think that what I have so far makes a Eurospeech paper .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm no We may be in the same position , and I figured {vocalsound} we 'll try , because that 'll at least get us to the point where we have {disfmarker} We have this really nice database format that Andreas and I were working out that {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 's not very fancy . It 's just a ASCII line by line format , but it does give you information {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's the {disfmarker} it 's the spurt format .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} Yeah , we 're calling these \" spurts \" after Chafe . I was trying to find what 's a word for {pause} a continuous region with {pause} pauses around it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I know that th the Telecom people use {disfmarker} use \" spurt \" for that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "They do ? Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I was using that for a while when I was doing the rate of speech stuff ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I would jus",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because I {disfmarker} because I looked up in some books and I found {disfmarker} OK , I wanna find a spurt {vocalsound} in which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ah , right ! It 's just , like , defined by the acoustics .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} an because {disfmarker} cuz it 's another question about how {pause} many pauses they put in between them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Horrible .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But how fast do they do {pause} the words within the spurt ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's what we were calling spurt ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "you know \" Burst \" also ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Burst .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Isn't \" burst \" is used also ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Spurt has the horrible name overloading with other {disfmarker} with hardware at ICSI .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Here . Just very locally , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , well , Chafe had this wor I think it was Chafe , or somebody had a {disfmarker} the word \" spurt \" originally ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but that just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Here @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "and so I {disfmarker} But tha that 's good to know .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Was thi it 's Chafe ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , see , I know S Sue wrote about spurts of development .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we should talk {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it was Sue {disfmarker} ? Y",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , in any case , I think it 's a good term ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So we have spurts and we have spurt - ify dot shell and spurt - ify",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And ma maybe {disfmarker} maybe Chafe did .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then it 's got all {disfmarker} it 's a verb now .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I know {disfmarker} I know Ch - Chafe dealt with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So s",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's cool .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "W uh , w",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Chafe speaks about intonation units .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But maybe he speaks about spurts as well",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "We",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and I just don't know . Yeah , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I 've heard \" burst \" also .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So what we 're doing {disfmarker} uh , this {disfmarker} this is just {disfmarker} maybe someone has s some {disfmarker} some ideas about how to do it better ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but we {disfmarker} So we 're taking these , uh , alignments from the individual channels . We 're {disfmarker} from each alignment we 're producing , uh , one of these CTM files ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
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"content": "which essentially has {disfmarker} it 's just a linear sequence of words with the begin times for every word and the duration .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "It looks like a Waves label file almost . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and of course {disfmarker}",
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Right . But it has {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} the first column has the meeting name , so it could actually contain several meetings . Um . And the second column is the channel . Third column is the , um , start times of the words and the fourth column is the duration of the words . And then we 're , um {disfmarker} OK . Then we have a messy alignment process where we actually insert into the sequence of words the , uh , tags for , like , where {disfmarker} where sentence {disfmarker} ends of sentence , question marks , um , {vocalsound} various other things .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Yeah . These are things that we had Don {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "So , Don sort of , um , propagated the punctuation from the original transcriber {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "so whether it was , like , question mark or period or , {vocalsound} um , you know , comma and things like that , and we kept the {disfmarker} and disfluency dashes {disfmarker} uh , kept those in because we sort of wanna know where those are relative to the spurt overlaps {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "sp overlaps ,",
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"content": "So {disfmarker} so those are actually sort of retro - fitted into the time alignment .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "or {disfmarker}",
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"content": "And then we merge all the alignments from the various channels and we sort them by time . And then there 's a {disfmarker} then there 's a process where you now determine the spurts . That is {disfmarker} Actually , no , you do that before you merge the various channels . So you {disfmarker} you id identify by some criterion , which is pause length {disfmarker} you identify the beginnings and ends of these spurts , and you put another set of tags in there to keep those straight .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "And then you merge everything in terms of , you know , linearizing the sequence based on the time marks . And then {vocalsound} you extract the individual channels again , but this time you know where the other people start and end talking {disfmarker} you know , where their spurts start and end . And so you extract the individual channels , uh , one sp spurt by spurt as it were . Um , and inside the words or between the words you now have begin and end {pause} tags for overlaps . So , you {disfmarker} you basically have everything sort of lined up and in a form where you can look at the individual speakers and how their speech relates to the other speakers ' speech .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "because even if you weren't studying overlaps , if you wanna get a transcription for the far - field mikes , how are you gonna know which words from which speakers occurred at which times relative to each other ? You have to be able to {pause} get a transcript like {disfmarker} like this anyway , just for doing far - field recognition . So , you know , it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "I thi it 's just an issue we haven't dealt with before , how you time - align things that are overlapping anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "That 's wonderful .",
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"content": "I mean , s when I came up with the original data {disfmarker} suggested data format based on the transcription graph , there 's capability of doing that sort of thing in there .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Right . But you can't get it directly from the transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Right . Well , this is {disfmarker} this is just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah , this is like a poor man 's ver formatting version . But it 's , you know {disfmarker} It 's clean , it 's just not fancy .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
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"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Well , there 's lots of little things . It 's like there 're twelve different scripts which you run and then at the end you have what you want . But , um , at the very last stage we throw away the actual time information . All we care about is whether {disfmarker} that there 's a certain word was overlapped by someone else 's word . So you sort of {disfmarker} at that point , you discretize things into just having overlap or no overlap . Because we figure that 's about the level of analysis that we want to do for this paper .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "But if you wanted to do a more fine - grained analysis and say , you know , how far into the word is the overlap , you could do that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "It 's just {disfmarker} it 'll just require more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "What 's interesting is it 's exactly what , um , i in discussing with , um , Sue about this ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "um , she , um , i i i indicated that that {disfmarker} you know , that 's very important for overlap analysis .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's nice to know ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "and also I think as a human , like , I don't always hear these in the actual order that they occur . So I can have two foreground speakers , you know , Morgan an and {vocalsound} um , Adam and Jane could all be talking , and I could align each of them to be starting their utterance at the correct time , and then look where they are relative to each other , and that 's not really what I heard .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "And that 's another thing she said .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "Cuz it 's just hard to do .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "It 's sort of {disfmarker} Yeah , you sort of move things around until you get to a {pause} low information point",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "and yo then you can bring in the other person . So it 's {vocalsound} actually not even possible , I think , for any person to listen to a mixed signal , even equalize , and make sure that they have all the words in the right order . So , I guess , we 'll try to write this Eurospeech paper .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Superb .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "I mean , we will write it . Whether they accept it {pause} late or not , I don't know . Um , and the good thing is that we have {disfmarker} It 's sort of a beginning of what Don can use to link the prosodic features from each file to each other .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah . That 's the good thing about these pape",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "No , it 's {disfmarker} that 's the good thing about these pape paper deadlines and , uh , you know , class projects , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and things like that ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Forces you to do the work .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Strict .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Nah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "i Because these {disfmarker} the conference organizers actually have an interest in getting lots of submissions .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "And good ones , good ones , which sometimes means {pause} a little extra time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "And good submission",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "but the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the morning meeting folks actually have an {disfmarker} an extra month or so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yep . The Aurora {disfmarker} there 's a special Aurora {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "When {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "There 's a special Aurora session",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and the Aurora pe people involved in Aurora have till Ma - uh , early May {pause} or something to turn in their paper .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Oh , well maybe we 'll submit to s {comment} {vocalsound} Actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Well , then you can just {disfmarker} Maybe you can submit the digits paper on e for the Aurora session .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I could !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
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"content": "I if it w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I could submit that to Aurora .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That would be pretty {disfmarker} pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "S That wouldn't work .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "No , it wouldn't work .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's not Aurora .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's not the Aurora {disfmarker} I mean , it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's actually the Aurora task .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe they 'll get s",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Aurora 's very specific .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "It",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Well , maybe it won't be after this {vocalsound} deadline {pause} extension .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but the people {disfmarker} I mean , a {disfmarker} a paper that is not on Aurora would probably be more interesting at that point",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe they 'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because everybody 's so sick and tired of the Aurora task .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought you meant this was just the digits section . I didn't know you meant it was Aurora digits .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , no . If you {disfmarker} if you have {disfmarker} it 's to {disfmarker} if you discuss some relation to the Aurora task , like if you use the same {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is not the Aurora task . So they just do a little grep for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do {disfmarker} uh , d d Do not {disfmarker} do not {disfmarker} we are not setting a good example .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , a relation other than negation , maybe ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is not a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "um . So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But the good thing is this does {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I I don't know . I mean , you could {disfmarker} you could do a paper on {pause} what 's wrong with the Aurora task by comparing it to {pause} other ways of doing it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "How well does an Aurora system do on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} you know , on digits collected in a {disfmarker} in this environment ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "PhD H"
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{
"content": "Different way . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Pretty hokey .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's a littl little far - fetched . Nah , I mean , the thing is Aurora 's pretty closed community .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you know , the people who were involved in the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the only people who are allowed to test on that are people who {disfmarker} who made it above a certain threshold in the first round ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "It 's very specific .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
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"speaker": "PhD A"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "No . I didn't mean anybody {disfmarker} any particular system . I meant this H T K back - end .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Oh , you don't like HTK ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
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{
"content": "I don't h I don't have any stock in HTK or Entropic or anything .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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{
"content": "No . I mean , this {disfmarker} it it 's the HTK {pause} that is trained on a very limited amount of data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
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"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "Oh , yeah . I {disfmarker} I really think that that 's true . And they i i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "If yo if you sort of hermetically stay within one task and don't look left and right , then you 're gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "They had something very specific in mind when they designed it . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "And so {disfmarker} so you can {disfmarker} you can argue about maybe that wasn't the right thing to do , but , you know , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they had something specific .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "But , one of the reasons I have Chuck 's messing around with {disfmarker} with the back - end that you 're not supposed to touch {disfmarker} I mean , for the evaluations , yes , we 'll run a version that hasn't been touched .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
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"content": "But , uh , one of the reasons I have him messing around with that , because I think it 's sort of an open question that we don't know the answer to . People always say very glibly {vocalsound} that i if you s show improvement on a bad system , that doesn't mean anything , cuz it may not be {disfmarker} {vocalsound} show {disfmarker} uh , because , you know , it doesn't tell you anything about the good system .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I 've always sort of felt that that depends . You know , that if some peopl If you 're actually are getting at something that has some {pause} conceptual substance to it , it will port .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And in fact , most methods that people now use were originally tried with something that was not their absolute {pause} best system at some level . But of course , sometimes it doesn't , uh , port . So I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's an interesting question . If we 're getting {pause} three percent error on , uh , u uh , English , uh , nati native speakers , {vocalsound} um , using the Aurora system , and we do some improvements and bring it from three to two , {vocalsound} do those same improvements bring , uh , th you know , the SRI system from one point three to {disfmarker} you know , to {vocalsound} point eight ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Zero .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well . You know , so that 's {disfmarker} that 's something we can test .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think we 've {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 've covered that one up extremely well .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Whew !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , um {disfmarker} Yeah . So tha so we 'll {disfmarker} you know , maybe you guys 'll have {disfmarker} have one . Uh , you {disfmarker} you and , uh {disfmarker} and Dan have {disfmarker} have a paper that {disfmarker} that 's going in .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know , that 's {disfmarker} that 's pretty solid , on the segmentation {pause} stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I will send you the {disfmarker} the final version ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And the Aurora folks here will {disfmarker} will definitely get something in on Aurora ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which is not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Actually this {disfmarker} this , um {disfmarker} So , there 's another paper .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's a Eurospeech paper but not related to meetings . But it 's on digits . So , um , uh , a colleague at SRI developed a improved version of MMIE training .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And he tested it mostly on digits because it 's sort of a {disfmarker} you know , it doesn't take weeks to train it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . And got some very impressive results , um , with , you know , discriminative , uh , Gaussian training . Um , you know , like , um , error rates {pause} go from {disfmarker} I don't know , in very noisy environment , like from , uh , uh {disfmarker} I for now I {disfmarker} OK , now I have the order of magnit I 'm not sure about the order of magnitude . Was it like from ten percent to {vocalsound} eight percent or from e e you know , point {disfmarker} you know , from one percent to point eight percent ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "H i it got {disfmarker} it got better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It got better . That 's the important thing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hey , that 's the same percent relative ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh , something in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Twenty percent relative gain .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , {vocalsound} let 's see . I think the only thing we had left was {disfmarker} unless somebody else {disfmarker} Well , there 's a couple things . Uh , one is {pause} anything that , um , {vocalsound} anybody has to say about Saturday ? Anything we should do in prep for Saturday ? Um {disfmarker} I guess everybody knows about {disfmarker} I mean , u um , Mari was asking {disfmarker} was trying to come up with something like an agenda and we 're sort of fitting around people 's times a bit . But , um , {vocalsound} clearly when we actually get here we 'll {pause} move things around this , as we need to , but {disfmarker} so you can't absolutely count on it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Are we meeting in here probably or {disfmarker} ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That was my thought .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Are we recording it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We won't have enough microphones ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "u No . I {disfmarker} I hadn't in intended to .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's no way .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We won we wanna {disfmarker} I mean , they 're {disfmarker} there 's gonna be , uh , Jeff , Katrin , Mari and two students .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So there 's five {pause} from there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And Brian .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And Brian 's coming ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But you know th",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so that 's six .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And plus all of us .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Can use the Oprah mike .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Depends how fast you can {pause} throw it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It seems like too many {disfmarker} too much coming and going .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's just {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We don't even have enough channel {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because it would be a different kind of meeting ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that 's what I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I hadn't {pause} really thought of it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe just {disfmarker} maybe not the whole day",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but just , you know , maybe some {disfmarker} I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe part of it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "part of it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe part of it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Make everyone read digits .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "At the same time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "At the same time .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "At the same time .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Please .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We c",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's their initiation into our",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Any",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Into our {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} our cult .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , our {disfmarker} Yeah , our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the sections that are not right afte you know , after lunch when everybody 's still munching and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So can you send out a schedule once you know it , jus ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is there a r ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . I guess I sent it around a little bit .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's a res Is it changed now , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} I hadn't heard back from Mari after I {disfmarker} I u u uh , brought up the point abou about Andreas 's schedule . So , {vocalsound} um , maybe when I get back there 'll be {pause} some {disfmarker} some mail from her .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , I 'll make a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm looking forward to seeing your representation . That 'd be , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And w we should get {pause} the two meetings from y",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I 'd like to see that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I know about the first meeting , um , but the other one that you did , the NSA one , which we {pause} hadn't done cuz we weren't running recognition on it , because the non - native speaker {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "there were five non - native speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I see . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But , it would be useful for the {disfmarker} to see what we get {pause} with that one . So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Great . OK . It 's , uh , two thousand eleven twenty - one one thousand .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , three . Right . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Great . I sent email when I finished the {disfmarker} that one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "N S A three , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That was sort of son Yeah , that 's right . That 's right . That 's much simpler .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what they said but I know the number .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Th - that part 's definitely gonna confuse somebody who looks at these later .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , this is {disfmarker} we we 're recording secret NSA meetings ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Not the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Not that NSA .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . The {disfmarker} th the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They are hard to understand .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's network services and applications .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wait .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They 're very , uh , out there .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea what they 're talking about .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The , um {disfmarker} th the other good thing about the alignments is that , um , it 's not always the machine 's fault if it doesn't work . So , you can actually find , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's the person 's fault .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "problem {disfmarker} uh , proble",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's Morgan 's fault .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You can find {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's always Morgan 's fault .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You can find , uh , problems with {disfmarker} with the transcripts , um , you know ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and go back and fix them .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Tha - There are some cases like where the {disfmarker} the wrong speaker {disfmarker} uh , these ca Not a lot , but where the {disfmarker} the wrong person {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the speech is addre attached to the wrong speaker",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and you can tell that when you run it . Or at least you can get {pause} clues to it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So these are from the early transcriptions that people did on the mixed signals , like what you have .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess it does w Mm - hmm . It also raises the possibility of , um , using that kind of representation {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , this 'd be something we 'd wanna check , {comment} but maybe using that representation for data entry and then displaying it on the channelized , uh , representation , cuz it {disfmarker} I think that the {disfmarker} I mean , my {disfmarker} my preference in terms of , like , looking at the data is to see it {pause} in this kind of musical score format .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And also , s you know , Sue 's preference as well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you can get it to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} but , I mean , this {disfmarker} if this is a better interface for making these kinds of , uh , you know , lo clos local changes , then that 'd be fine , too . I don't {disfmarker} I have no idea . I think this is something that would need to be checked . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Th - the other thing I had actually was , I {disfmarker} I didn't realize this till today , but , uh , this is , uh , Jose 's last day .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Is my last {disfmarker} my last day .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You 're not gonna be here tomorrow ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "My {disfmarker} {vocalsound} my last meeting {pause} about meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's right . Tomorrow {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "The last meeting meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Because , eh , I leave , eh , the next Sunday .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It 's off .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I will come back to home {disfmarker} to Spain .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I d so I {disfmarker} I jus",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I would like to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to say thank you very much , eh , to all people {pause} in the group and at ICSI ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It was good having you .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because I {disfmarker} I enjoyed @ @ very much ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh . And I 'm sorry by the result of overlapping , because , eh , {vocalsound} I haven't good results , eh , yet but , eh , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I pretend {comment} to {disfmarker} to continuing out to Spain , eh , during the {disfmarker} the following months ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "eh , because I have , eh , another ideas but , eh , I haven't enough time to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with six months it 's not enough to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to research ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "eh , and e i I mean , if , eh , the topic is , eh , so difficult , uh , in my opinion , there isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe somebody else will come along and will be , uh , interested in working on it and could start off from where you are also , you know . They 'd make use of {disfmarker} of what you 've done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , eh , I {disfmarker} I will try to recommend , eh , at , eh , {vocalsound} the Spanish government but , eh , the following @ @ scholarship , eh , eh , {vocalsound} eh , will be here {pause} more time , because eh , i in my opinion is {disfmarker} is better , {vocalsound} eh , for us {pause} to {disfmarker} to spend more time here and to work more time i i in a topic .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's a very short time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No ? But , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , six months is hard .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It is .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I think a year is a lot better .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's difficult . You {disfmarker} e you have , eh {disfmarker} you are lucky , and you {disfmarker} you find a solution {comment} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some few tim uh , months , eh ? OK . But , eh , I think it 's not , eh , common . But , eh , anyway , thank you . Thank you very much . Eh , I {disfmarker} I bring the chocolate , eh , to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} to tear , uh , with {disfmarker} with you ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
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},
{
"content": "Nice .",
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},
{
"content": "uh . I {disfmarker} I hope if you need , eh , something , eh , from us in the future , I {disfmarker} I will be at Spain , {vocalsound} to you help , uh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Thank you , Jose .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And , thank you very much .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Have a good trip .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Keep in touch .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . I guess , uh , unless somebody has something else , we 'll read {disfmarker} read our digits",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and we 'll get our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "get our last bit of , uh , Jose 's {disfmarker} Jose {disfmarker} Jose 's digit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Are we gonna do them simultaneously or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'm sorry ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ye - ye you prefer , eh , to eat , eh , chocolate , eh , at the coffee break , eh , at the {disfmarker} ? {vocalsound} Or you prefer now , before after {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , we have a time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No , we prefer to keep it for ourselves .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "During {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we have a s a time {disfmarker} time constraint .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "during digits .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So keep it away from that end of the table .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Why is it that I can read your mind ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 've gotta wait until after di after we take the mikes off .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So are we gonna do digits simultaneously",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} This is our reward if we {pause} do our digi",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or what ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Simultaneous digit chocolate task .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think , eh , it 's enough , eh , for more peopl for more people {pause} after .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "We 're gonna {disfmarker} we 're gonna do digits at the same {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , thanks , Jose .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "To Andreas , the idea is {disfmarker} is good . {vocalsound} s To eat here .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Wow . Very nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wow .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Tha - that 's {disfmarker} that looks great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Th - it doesn't {disfmarker} it won't leave this room .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so in the interest of getting to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We could do digits while other people eat .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's background crunching .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We don't have background chewing .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Nice .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Is , eh , a {disfmarker} another acoustic event .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Background crunch . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , we don't have any data with background eating .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm serious . You",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "She 's {disfmarker} she 's serious .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I am serious .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just the rest of the digits {disfmarker} the rest of the digits are very clean ,",
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},
{
"content": "She is serious .",
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},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Are you {disfmarker} ? Oh , they 're clean .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um , without a lot of background noise ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker} You have to write down , like , while y what you 're {disfmarker} what ch chocolate you 're eating",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so I 'm just not sure {disfmarker}",
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},
{
"content": "cuz they might make different sounds , like n nuts {disfmarker} chocolate with nuts , chocolate without nuts .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Crunchy frogs .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Chocolate adaptation .",
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},
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},
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"content": "That w Oh , yeah , they {disfmarker} they might .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's hard to {disfmarker} hard to say .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe those ? They 're so {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} You know , this is a different kind of speech ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Take {disfmarker} take several .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
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"content": "looking at chocolates , deciding {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "you know , it 's another style .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I may {disfmarker} I may hold off .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But if I was {disfmarker} eh , but maybe I 'll get some later . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} well , why don't we {disfmarker} ? He {disfmarker} he 's worried about a ticket . Why don't we do a simultaneous one ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Simultaneous one ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And you laughed at me , too , f the first time I said that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Remember to read the transcript number , please .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I have to what ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "You laughed at me , too , the first time I sa said {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I did ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You really shouldn't , uh , te",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and now I love it so much .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK , everyone ready ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
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"speaker": "PhD A"
},
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},
{
"content": "so that you don't get confused , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "we want it synchronized .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , you 've done this one before ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hey , you 've done this before . Haven't you ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Together ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You 've read {pause} digits together with us , haven't you {disfmarker} I mean , at the same time ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} Oh , and you haven't done this either .",
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},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you haven't !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I the first time is {pause} traumatic ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Y {vocalsound} Yeah , bu",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and the groupings are important ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "so yo you 're supposed to pause between the groupings .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "The grouping .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You mean that the {disfmarker} the grouping is supposed to be synchronized ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be good .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Synchronized digits .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We - we 'll give everybody the same sheet",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's like a {disfmarker} like a Greek {disfmarker} like a Greek choir ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but they say different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hey , what a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We could do the same sheet for everyone .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Have them all read them at once .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , different digits",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but same groupings .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or just same digits .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So they would all be {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 'd be good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "See if anyone notices .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "There 's so many possibilities .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} then we can sing them next time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . OK , why don't we go ? Uh , one two three {disfmarker} Go !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mmm !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And Andreas has the last word .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Did you read it twice or what ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "He 's try No , he 's trying to get good recognition performance .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He had the h",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "He had the {disfmarker} the long form .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And we 're off .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
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}
] |
Bmr020
|
Academic
|
[
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"53"
]
],
"topic": "Meeting preliminaries"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"54",
"447"
]
],
"topic": "Paper submission"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"478",
"1138"
]
],
"topic": "Transcriptions for IBM"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The main topics of the agenda were a paper submitted to Eurospeech and the organising of the recording transcriptions to be done by IBM. The results presented in the former show a significant percentage of overlapping speech even without counting in backchanneling. Regarding the transcriptions to be carried out by IBM, the discussion mainly concerned the format of the recordings that should be sent to them. Suggestions included sending only the channels with the dominant speakers for transcription, but it was finally agreed on sending the original files with minimal modifications, as there will be extensive in-house post-processing.",
"query": "What were the main topics?"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "There is a slight worry about the acceptance of the paper submitted to Eurospeech as the deadline was exceeded.",
"query": "What was said about the deadline?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"53",
"65"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "As to the content of the paper, the overlap statistics have not been normalised against the number of participants in the conversation, although the dependency is probably going to be a weak one. Additionally, the correlation between pauses in speech and interruptions does not provide a cause-and-effect link for these phenomena. ",
"query": "What were the contents of the paper?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"185",
"200"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The statistics in the paper are based on the transcripts of two meetings and two telephone conversation corpora. In the first two, the overlapped words vary between 9% and 18%. The telephone conversation results were in-between and very similar to each other.",
"query": "What statistics were included in the paper?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"131",
"138"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Before that, the files will be automatically pre-segmented into speech/non-speech bins and the beeps will be inserted. ",
"query": "What pre-processing was needed for the IBM transcripts?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"624",
"631"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "In order to make things easier for the transcribers, breathy channels, which are erroneously marked as speech, will be re-classified correctly with other methods.",
"query": "What would help the transcribers?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"869",
"883"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The preparation of files for transcription by IBM is facing some minor difficulties, as some features (hand-coded time boundaries, multiplicity of channels etc) may complicate the generation of beep files.",
"query": "What difficulties were faced?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"711",
"724"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "OK , we 're recording .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We can say the word \" zero \" all we want ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm doing some",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "square brackets , coffee sipping , square brackets .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's not allowed , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cur - curly brackets .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Is that voiced or unvoiced ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Curly brackets .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Curly brackets .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Curly brackets .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , correction for transcribers .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm ! {comment} {vocalsound} Gar - darn !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Channel two .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Do we use square brackets for anything ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "These poor transcribers .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "u",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Not ri not right now . I mean {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "There 's gonna be some zeros from this morning 's meeting because I noticed that",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "u",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were {disfmarker} Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's still not a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's {disfmarker} in the beginning , it 's {pause} bad .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} you wanna keep them on so you get {pause} good noise {disfmarker} noise floors , through the whole meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
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"content": "That 's interesting . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I probably just should have left it on . Yeah I did have to run , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is there any way to change that in the software ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Change what in the software ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where like you just don't {disfmarker} like if you {disfmarker} if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something {disfmarker} in the card , or somewhere in the hardware {disfmarker} Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some {vocalsound} random , @ @ {comment} noise floor {disfmarker} like a small noise floor .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
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{
"content": "I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea . We can do that in post - processing if {disfmarker} if the application needs it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Manual post - processing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} u I actually don't know what the default {comment} is anymore as to how we 're using the {disfmarker} the front - end stuff but {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} when we use the ICSI front - end ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "As an argument .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "but um , there is an {disfmarker} there is an o an option in {disfmarker} in RASTA , which , um , {vocalsound} in when I first put it in , uh , back in the days when I actually wrote things , uh , {vocalsound} I {pause} did actually put in a random bit or so that was in it ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding uh {disfmarker} adding flat spectrum ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to the spectrum . So then I just started doing that",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Mmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "instead of calling \" rand \" {comment} or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so . So it d it does that . Gee ! Here we all are !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane {disfmarker} was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's an agenda ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I sort of {vocalsound} condensed the three things you said into that . And then just {disfmarker} I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days . So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should let me know now .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I hope they accept it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} both actu as {disfmarker} as a submission and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , as a paper . Um {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , you sent it in {pause} late .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess you {disfmarker} first you have to do the first one ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh they {disfmarker} they had some extension that they announced or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah . Liz had sent them a note saying \" could we please {pause} have another \" {comment} {pause} I don't know , \" three days \" or something , and they said yes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "And then she said \" Did I say three ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I meant four . \"",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that was the other thing uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But u",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh , Dave Gelbart sent me email , I think he sent it to you too , {comment} that um , there 's a special topic , section in si in Eurospeech on new , corp corpors corpora . And it 's not due until like May fifteenth .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh this isn't the Aurora one ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's another one ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a different one .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "No it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huh !",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And uh ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I got this mail from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I s forwarded it to Jane as I thought being the most relevant person . Um {disfmarker} So , I thought it was highly relevant {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "have you {disfmarker} did you look at the URL ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think so too . Um , I haven't gotten over to there yet ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but what {disfmarker} our discussion yesterday , I really {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wanna submit one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Was this {pause} SmartKom message ? I think {pause} Christoph Draxler sent this ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And , you offered to {disfmarker} to join me , if you want me to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I 'll help ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but obviously I can't , really do , most of it ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "I think several people {disfmarker} sent this ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But any {disfmarker} any help you need I can certainly provide .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there were some interesting results in this paper , though . For instance that Morgan {disfmarker} uh , accounted for fifty - six percent of the Robustness meetings in terms of number of words .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker} in terms of what ? In term",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Number of words .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "One ? Wow ! OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "That 's just cuz he talks really fast .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Do you mean ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "n No .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I know",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Short words .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker} is it partly , eh , c correctly identified words ? Or is it {disfmarker} or just overall volume ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No . Well , according to the transcripts .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But re well regardless . I think it 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's in all of them ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we didn't mention Morgan by name",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and he talks a lot .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "we just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "One participant .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} we have now , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} something about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Did you identify him as a senior {pause} member ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No , we as identify him as the person dominating the conversation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I mean I get these AARP things , but I 'm not se really senior yet , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but uh , other than that delightful result , what was the rest of the paper about ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , well it was about {disfmarker} it had three sections",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} three kinds of uh results , if you will . Uh , the one was that the {disfmarker} just the {disfmarker} the amount of overlap",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The good , the bad , and the ugly .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "um , s in terms of {disfmarker} in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a \" spurt \" , which is essentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds . Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were and how many overlapped words there were . {vocalsound} Um , for four different {pause} corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetings Switchboard and CallHome , and , found {disfmarker} and sort of compared the numbers . Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect the Meeting Recorder {pause} meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical in fact , and the Robustness meetings were {disfmarker} had the least , so {disfmarker} One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephone conversations have {vocalsound} about the same amount of overlap ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm surprised .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "sort of in gen you know {disfmarker} order of magnitude - wise as , uh {disfmarker} as face - to - face meetings with multiple {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I have {disfmarker} I had better start changing all my slides !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Also , I {disfmarker} in the Levinson , the pragmatics book , {comment} in you know , uh , textbook , {vocalsound} there 's {disfmarker} I found this great quote where he says {vocalsound} you know {disfmarker} you know , how people {disfmarker} it talks about how uh {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how people are so good at turn taking ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} so {disfmarker} they 're so good that {vocalsound} generally , u the overlapped speech does not {disfmarker} is less than five percent .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's interesting . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So , this is way more than five percent .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Did he mean face {disfmarker} like face - to - face ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , in real conversations ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "everyday conversations .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It 's s what these conversation analysts have been studying for years and years there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , of course , no , it doesn't necessarily go against what he said , cuz he said \" generally speaking \" . In order to {disfmarker} to go against that kind of a claim you 'd have to big canvassing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And in f",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , he {disfmarker} he made a claim {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} we have pretty limited sample here .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Five percent of time or five percent of what ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was gonna ask that too .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's time .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} i it 's not against his conclusion ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but still {disfmarker} but still {disfmarker} u",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that , {vocalsound} you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there are slight {disfmarker} There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You know , the difference between um {disfmarker} between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like , {vocalsound} you know , close to {disfmarker} in meetings like these , uh {disfmarker} you know , close to twenty percent .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for instance ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Robustness meeting ? It was {vocalsound} about half of the r So , {vocalsound} in terms of number of words , it 's like seventeen or eigh eighteen percent for the Meeting Recorder meetings and {vocalsound} about half that for , {vocalsound} uh , the Robustness .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe ten percent ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But I don't know if that 's really a fair way of comparing between , multi - party , conversations and two - party conversations . Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} then you have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's just something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I just wonder if you have to normalize by the numbers of speakers or something .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} Yeah , then normalize by {disfmarker} by something like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , we didn't get to look at that ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "but this obvious thing to see if {disfmarker} if there 's a dependence on the number of uh {disfmarker} participants .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Good idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} I bet there 's a weak dependence . I 'm sure it 's {disfmarker} it 's not a real strong one .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Because you",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz not everybody talks .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You have a lot of {disfmarker} a lot of two - party , subsets within the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well regardless {disfmarker} it 's an interesting result regardless .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} and we also d computed this both with and without backchannels ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "so you might think that backchannels have a special status because they 're essentially just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . So , did {disfmarker} we all said \" uh - huh \" and nodded at the same time ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "R right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But , even if you take out all the backchannels {disfmarker} so basically you treat backchannels l as nonspeech , as pauses ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "you still have significant overlap . You know , it goes down from maybe {disfmarker} For Switchboard it goes down from {disfmarker} I don't know {disfmarker} f um {disfmarker} {comment} I don't know {disfmarker} f fourteen percent of the words to maybe {vocalsound} uh I don't know , eleven percent or something {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not a dramatic change ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker} Anyway , so it 's uh {disfmarker} That was {disfmarker} that was one set of {pause} results , and then the second one was just basically the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the stuff we had in the {disfmarker} in the HLT paper on how overlaps effect the {pause} recognition performance .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Nope . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And we rescored things um , a little bit more carefully . We also fixed the transcripts in {disfmarker} in numerous ways . Uh , but mostly we added one {disfmarker} one number , which was what if you {pause} uh , basically score ignoring all {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} the conjecture from the HLT results was that {vocalsound} most of the added recognition error is from insertions {vocalsound} due to background speech . So , we scored {vocalsound} all the recognition results , {vocalsound} uh , in such a way that the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh by the way , who 's on channel four ? You 're getting a lot of breath .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I j was just wondering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's me .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , well Don 's been working hard .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so if you have the foreground speaker speaking here , and then there 's some background speech , may be overlapping it somehow , um , and this is the time bin that we used , then of course you 're gonna get insertion errors here and here .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So we scored everything , and I must say the NIST scoring tools are pretty nice for this , where you just basically ignore everything outside of the , {vocalsound} uh , region that was deemed to be foreground speech . And where that was we had to use the t forced alignment , uh , results from s for {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} That 's somewhat {disfmarker} that 's somewhat subject to error , but still we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , Don did some ha hand - checking and {disfmarker} and we think that {disfmarker} based on that , we think that the results are you know , valid , although of course , some error is gonna be in there . But basically what we found is after we take out these regions {disfmarker} so we only score the regions that were certified as foreground speech , {comment} {vocalsound} the recognition error went down to almost {vocalsound} uh , the {pause} level of the non - overlapped {pause} speech . So that means that {vocalsound} even if you do have background speech , if you can somehow separate out or find where it is , {vocalsound} uh , the recognizer does a good job ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "even though there is this back",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess that doesn't surprise me , because , with the close - talking mikes , the {disfmarker} the signal will be so much stronger .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what sort of normalization do you do ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Uh , well , we just {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} we do {disfmarker} u you know , vit",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean in you recognizer , in the SRI recognizer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we do uh , VTL {disfmarker} {vocalsound} vocal tract length normalization , w and we uh {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we uh , {vocalsound} make all the features have zero mean and unit variance .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Over an entire utterance ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Or windowed ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Over {disfmarker} over the entire c over the entire channel .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Don't {pause} train {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Over the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but you know . Um , now we didn't re - align the recognizer for this . We just took the old {disfmarker} So this is actually a sub - optimal way of doing it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "right ? So we took the old recognition output and we just scored it differently . So the recognizer didn't have the benefit of knowing where the foreground speech {disfmarker} a start",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Were you including the {disfmarker} the lapel {pause} in this ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And did the {disfmarker} did {disfmarker} did the la did the {disfmarker} the problems with the lapel go away also ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , it {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "fray for {disfmarker} for insertions ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It u not per {disfmarker} I mean , not completely , but yes ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Less so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "dramatically . So we have to um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well I should bring the {disfmarker} should bring the table with results . Maybe we can look at it {pause} Monday .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I would presume that you still would have somewhat higher error with the lapel for insertions than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . It 's {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz again , looking forward to the non - close miked case , I think that we s still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not looking forward to it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "i it 's the high signal - to - noise ratio",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "here that {disfmarker} that helps you .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "u s Right . So {disfmarker} so that was number {disfmarker} that was the second set of {disfmarker} uh , the second section . And then , {vocalsound} the third thing was , we looked at , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , what we call \" interrupts \" , although that 's {disfmarker} that may be {vocalsound} a misnomer , but basically {vocalsound} we looked at cases where {disfmarker} Uh , so we {disfmarker} we used the punctuation from the original transcripts and we inferred the beginnings and ends of sentences . So , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Di - did you use upper - lower case also , or not ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "U upper lower case or no ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No , we only used , you know , uh periods , uh , question marks and {pause} exclamation . And we know that there 's th that 's not a very g I mean , we miss a lot of them ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's OK but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but it 's f i i",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Comma also or not ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No commas . No . And then {vocalsound} we looked at locations where , uh , if you have overlapping speech and someone else starts a sentence , you know , where do these {disfmarker} where do other people start their {vocalsound} turns {disfmarker} not turns really , but you know , sentences ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} So we only looked at cases where there was a foreground speaker and then at the to at the {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} the foreground speaker started into their sentence and then someone else started later .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Somewhere in between the start and the end ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK ? And so what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Somewhere in between the start and the end of the foreground ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Uh , so that such that there was overlap between the two sentences .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , the {disfmarker} the question was how can we {disfmarker} what can we say about the places where the second or {disfmarker} or actually , several second speakers , {vocalsound} um {pause} start their {pause} \" interrupts \" , as we call them .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Three words from the end .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "At pause boundaries .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "w And we looked at this in terms of um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "On T - closures , only .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so we had {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we had um u to {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for the purposes of this analysis , we tagged the word sequences , and {disfmarker} and we time - aligned them . Um , and we considered it interrupt {disfmarker} if it occurred in the middle of a word , we basically {disfmarker} you know , considered that to be a interrupt as if it were at {disfmarker} at the beginning of the word . So that , {vocalsound} if any part of the word was overlapped , it was considered an interrupted {pause} word .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And then we looked at the {disfmarker} the locatio the , {vocalsound} um , you know , the features that {disfmarker} the tags because we had tagged these word strings , {comment} {vocalsound} um , that {disfmarker} that occurred right before these {disfmarker} these uh , interrupt locations .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Tag by uh",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And the tags we looked at are {vocalsound} the spurt tag , which basically says {disfmarker} or actually {disfmarker} Sorry . End of spurt . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} whether there was a pause essentially here , because spurts are a {disfmarker} defined as being you know , five hundred milliseconds or longer pauses , and then we had things like discourse markers , uh , backchannels , uh , disfluencies . um , uh , filled pauses {disfmarker} So disfluen the D 's are for , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} the interruption points of a disfluency , so , where you hesitate , or where you start the repair there . Uh , what else do we had . Uh , repeated {disfmarker} you know , repeated words is another of that kind of disfluencies and so forth . So we had both the beginnings and ends of these {disfmarker} uh so , the end of a filled pause and the end of a discourse marker . And we just eyeballed {disfmarker} I mean {vocalsound} we didn't really hand - tag all of these things . We just {pause} looked at the distribution of words , and so every {vocalsound} \" so yeah \" , and \" OK \" , uh , and \" uh - huh \" were {disfmarker} were the {disfmarker} were deemed to be backchannels and {vocalsound} \" wow \" and \" so \" and {vocalsound} uh \" right \" , uh were um {disfmarker} {pause} Not \" right \" . \" Right \" is a backchannel . But so , we sort of {disfmarker} just based on the lexical {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , identity of the words , we {disfmarker} we tagged them as one of these things . And of course the d the interruption points we got from the original transcripts . So , and then we looked at the disti so we looked at the {pause} distribution of these different kinds of tags , overall uh , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and particularly at the interruption points . And uh , we found that there is a marked difference so that for instance after {disfmarker} so at the end after a discourse marker or after backchannel or after filled pause , you 're much more likely to be interrupted {vocalsound} than before . OK ? And also of course after spurt ends , which means basically in p inside pauses . So pauses are always an opportunity for {disfmarker} So we have this little histogram which shows these distributions and , {vocalsound} um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I wonder {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "you know , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} No big surprises , but it is {pause} sort of interesting from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's nice to actually measure it though .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I wonder about the cause and effect there . In other words uh {pause} if you weren't going to pause you {disfmarker} you will because you 're g being interrupted .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well we 're ne",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . There 's no statement about cause and effect .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right . No , no , no .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is just a statistical correlation ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right , I {disfmarker} I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But he {disfmarker} yeah , he 's {disfmarker} he 's right , y I mean maybe you weren't intending to pause at all , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You were intending to stop for fifty - seven milliseconds ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but then Chuck came in",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and so you {vocalsound} paused for a second",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Anyway . {comment} So ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "or more .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "uh , and that was basically it . And {disfmarker} and we {disfmarker} so we wrote this and then , {vocalsound} we found we were at six pages , and then we started {vocalsound} cutting furiously",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} threw out half of the {vocalsound} material again , and uh played with the LaTeX stuff and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Made the font smaller and the narrows longer .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "uh , and {disfmarker} until it fi",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Font smaller , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , no . W well , d you couldn't really make everything smaller",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Put the abstract end .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but we s we put {disfmarker} Oh , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Took out white space .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you know the {disfmarker} the gap between the two columns is like ten millimeters ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters and that helped some . And stuff like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't there {disfmarker} wasn't there some result , Andreas {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I thought maybe Liz presented this at some conference a while ago about {vocalsound} uh , backchannels",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh , and that they tend to happen when uh {pause} the pitch drops . You know you get a falling pitch . And so that 's when people tend to backchannel .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - i i do you rem",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "y We didn't talk about , uh , prosodic , uh , properties at all ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "although that 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I take it that 's something that uh Don will {disfmarker} will look at",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 're gonna be looking at that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "now that we have the data and we have the alignment , so . This is purely based on you know the words",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I have a reference for that though . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh you do .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So am I recalling correctly ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I didn't know about Liz 's finding on that ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "About {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but I know of another paper that talks about something",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'd like to see that reference too .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It made me think about a cool little device that could be built to uh {disfmarker} to handle those people that call you on the phone and just like to talk and talk and talk . And you just have this little detector that listens for these {vocalsound} drops in pitch and gives them the backchannel . And so then you {vocalsound} hook that to the phone and go off",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and do the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} do whatever you r wanna do ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "while that thing keeps them busy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There 's actually {disfmarker} uh there 's this a former student of here from Berkeley , Nigel {disfmarker} Nigel Ward .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Do you know him ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "He did a system uh , in {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he lives in Japan now , and he did this backchanneling , automatic backchanneling system .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , exactly what you describe ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but for Japanese . And it 's apparently {disfmarker} for Japa - in Japanese it 's really important that you backchannel . It 's really impolite if you don't , and {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Actually for a lot of these people I think you could just sort of backchannel continuously and it would {pause} pretty much be fine .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't matter ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's w That 's what I do .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Random intervals .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There was {disfmarker} there was of course a Monty Python sketch with that . Where the barber who was afraid of scissors was playing a {disfmarker} a tape of clipping sounds , and saying \" uh - huh \" , \" yeah \" , \" how about them sports teams ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Anyway . So the paper 's on - line and y I {disfmarker} I think I uh {disfmarker} I CC ' ed a message to Meeting Recorder with the URL so you can get it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Printed it out , haven't read it yet .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , uh one more thing . So I {disfmarker} I 'm actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} about to send Brian Kingbury an email saying where he can find the {disfmarker} the s the m the material he wanted for the s for the speech recognition experiment , so {disfmarker} but I haven't sent it out yet because actually my desktop locked up , like I can't type anything . Uh b so if there 's any suggestions you have for that I was just gonna send him the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Is it the same directory that you had suggested ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I made a directory . I called it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "He still has his Unix account here , you know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well this isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "He does ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And he {disfmarker} and he 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but he has to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I 'd hafta add him to Meeting Recorder , I guess ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "he prefe he said he would prefer FTP",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and also , um , the other person that wants it {disfmarker} There is one person at SRI who wants to look at the {vocalsound} um , you know , the uh {disfmarker} the data we have so far ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and so I figured that FTP is the best {pause} approach . So what I did is I um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} I made a n new directory after Chuck said that would c that was gonna be a good thing . Uh , so it 's \" FTP {vocalsound} {pause} pub",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Pub real .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "real \" {disfmarker} Exactly . MTGC {disfmarker} What is it again ? CR {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Ask Dan Ellis .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "u R D {disfmarker} RDR , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} Yeah . Right ? The same {disfmarker} the same as the mailing list ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} {pause} No vowels .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and then under there {disfmarker} Um actually {disfmarker} Oh and this directory , {vocalsound} is not readable . It 's only uh , accessible . So , {vocalsound} in other words , to access anything under there , you have to {vocalsound} be told what the name is .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's sort of a g {vocalsound} quick and dirty way of doing access control .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} uh , and the directory for this I call it I \" ASR zero point one \" because it 's sort of meant for recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Beta ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} then in there I have a file that lists all the other {vocalsound} files , so that someone can get that file and then know the file names and therefore download them . If you don't know the file names you can't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Is that a dash or a dot in there ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I mean you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Don't {disfmarker} don't {disfmarker} don't say .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Dash . Anyway . So all I {disfmarker} all I was gonna do there was stick the {disfmarker} the transcripts after we {disfmarker} the way that we munged them for scoring , because that 's what he cares about , and {disfmarker} um , and also {disfmarker} and then the {disfmarker} the {pause} waveforms that Don segmented . I mean , just basically tar them all up f I mean {disfmarker} w for each meeting I tar them all into one tar file and G - zip them and stick them there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I uh , put digits in my own home directory {disfmarker} home FTP directory ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but I 'll probably move them there as well .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So we could point Mari to this also for her {vocalsound} March O - one request ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . March O - one .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You n Remember she was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh she wanted that also ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well she was saying that it would be nice if we had {disfmarker} they had a {disfmarker} Or was she talking {disfmarker} Yeah . She was saying it would be nice if they had eh {pause} the same set , so that when they did experiments they could compare .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right , but they don't have a recognizer even .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , we can send {disfmarker} I can CC Mari on this so that she knows {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , for the thing that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "We need to give Brian the beeps file ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so I was gonna probably put it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We can put it in the same place . Just put in another directory .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it I 'll make another directory .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , make ano make another directory .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You don't n m",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And , Andreas , um , sampled ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They are ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think so . Yeah . Um , so either we should regenerate the original {vocalsound} versions , {comment} {pause} or um , we should just make a note of it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Oh . Beca - Well {disfmarker} OK , because in one directory there 's two versions .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's the first meeting I cut both versions . Just to check which w if there is a significant difference .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . And so I {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} OK so {disfmarker} but for the other meetings it 's the downsampled version that you have .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They 're all downsampled , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Oh that 's th important to know , OK so we should probably {disfmarker} uh {pause} give them the non - downsampled versions .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright , then I 'll hold off on that and I 'll wait for you um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Probably by tomorrow",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "gen",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I can {disfmarker} I 'll send you an email .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright . OK . Yeah , definitely they should have the full bandwidth version ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because I mean {disfmarker} I I think Liz decided to go ahead with the {pause} downsampled versions cuz we can {disfmarker} There was no s like , r significant difference .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah . OK . Well , it takes {disfmarker} it takes up less disk space , for one thing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It does take up less disk space , and apparently it did even better {pause} than the original {disfmarker} than the original versions ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "which you know , is just , probably random .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , it was a small difference",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But , um {pause} they probably w want the originals .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but yeah . Yeah . OK . OK , good . Good that {disfmarker} Well , it 's a good thing that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , I think we 're losing , Don and Andreas at three - thirty , right ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey mon hafta booga .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's why it was good to have Andreas , say these things but {disfmarker} So , we should probably talk about the IBM transcription process stuff that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , um you know that Adam created um , a b a script to generate the beep file ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "To then create something to send to IBM . And , um , you {disfmarker} you should probably talk about that . But {disfmarker} but you were gonna to use the {pause} originally transcribed file because I tightened the time bins and that 's also the one that they had already {vocalsound} in trying to debug the first stage of this . And uh , my understanding was that , um {disfmarker} I haven't {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I haven't listened to it yet ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but it sounded very good and {disfmarker} and I understand that you guys {vocalsound} were going to have a meeting today , before this meeting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It was just to talk about how to generate it . Um , just so that while I 'm gone , you can regenerate it if you decide to do it a different way . So uh , Chuck and Thilo should , now more or less know how to generate the file",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and , {vocalsound} the other thing Chuck pointed out is that , um , {vocalsound} since this one is hand - marked , {vocalsound} there are discourse boundaries . Right ? So {disfmarker} so when one person is speaking , there 's breaks .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Whereas Thilo 's won't have that . So what {disfmarker} what we 're probably gonna do is just write a script , that if two , chunks are very close to each other on the same channel we 'll just merge them .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK . Ah , interesting . Yeah . Yeah . Oh , sure . Yeah , sure . Makes sense .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , and that will get around the problem of , the , {vocalsound} you know \" one word beep , one word beep , one word beep , one word beep \" .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ah ! Clever . Yes . Clever . Yeah . Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , in fact after our meeting uh , this morning Thilo came in and said that {vocalsound} um , there could be {pause} other differences between {vocalsound} the uh {pause} already transcribed meeting with the beeps in it and one that has {pause} just r been run through his process .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's the purpose . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So tomorrow , {vocalsound} when we go to make the um {pause} uh , chunked file {vocalsound} for IBM , we 're going to actually compare the two . So he 's gonna run his process on that same meeting ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Great idea !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and then we 're gonna do the beep - ify on both , and listen to them and see if we notice any real differences .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Beep - ify !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , now one thing that prevented us from apply you {disfmarker} you from applying {disfmarker} Exactly . The training {disfmarker} So that is the training meeting . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w and we know that . Wel - uh we just wanna if {disfmarker} if there 're any major differences between {vocalsound} doing it on the hand",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Oh , interesting . Ah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Interesting idea . Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So this training meeting , uh w un is that uh {pause} some data where we have uh very um , {vocalsound} you know , accurate {pause} time marks ? for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I went back and hand - marked the {pause} ba the bins , I ment I mentioned that last week .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} but there 's {disfmarker} yeah , but there is this one issue with them in that there 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there are time boundaries in there that occur in the middle of speech .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Like when we went t to um {disfmarker} When I was listening to the original file that Adam had , it 's like you {disfmarker} you hear a word then you hear a beep {vocalsound} and then you hear the continuation of what is the same sentence .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's on the other channel . That 's because of channel overlap .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , and {disfmarker} and so the {disfmarker} th",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} i",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So there are these chunks that look like uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that have uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean that 's not gonna be true of the foreground speaker . That 'll only be if it 's the background speaker .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right . So you 'll {disfmarker} you 'll have a chunk of , you know , channel {vocalsound} A which starts at zero and ends at ten , and then the same channel starting at eleven , ending at fifteen , and then again , starting at sixteen , ending at twenty . Right , so that 's three chunks where {vocalsound} actually we w can just make one chunk out of that which is A , zero , twenty .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I just said ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I just wanted to make sure that it was clear .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I thought that was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} if you were to use these , you have to be careful not to pull out these individual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! I mean it {disfmarker} Right , I mean w I mean what I would {disfmarker} I was interested in is having {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a se having time marks for the beginnings and ends of speech by each speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's definitely a problem .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , because we could use that to fine tune our alignment process",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Battery .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "to make it more accurate .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Battery ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} uh , it {disfmarker} I don't care that you know , there 's actually abutting segments that we have to join together . That 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But what we do care about is that {vocalsound} the beginnings and ends um {pause} are actually close to the speech {vocalsound} inside of that",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think Jane tightened these up by hand .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so what is the {disfmarker} sort of how tight are they ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it looks much better .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Looks good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They were , um , reasonably tight , but not excruciatingly tight .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That would 've taken more time . I just wanted to get it so tha So that if you have like \" yeah \" {comment} in a {disfmarker} swimming in a big bin , then it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "No , no ! I don",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Let me make a note on yours .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "actually I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} it 's f That 's fine because we don't want to {disfmarker} th that 's perfectly fine . In fact it 's good . You always want to have a little bit of pause or nonspeech around the speech , say for recognition purposes . Uh , but just {disfmarker} just u w you know get an id I just wanted to have an idea of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of how much extra you allowed um {disfmarker} so that I can interpret the numbers if I compared that with a forced alignment segmentation .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I can't answer that ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but my main goal was {pause} um , in these areas where you have a three - way overlap {vocalsound} and one of the overlaps involves \" yeah \" , {vocalsound} and it 's swimming in this huge bin , {vocalsound} I wanted to get it so that it was clo more closely localized .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Right . But are we talking about , I don't know , {pause} a {vocalsound} {pause} tenth of a second ? a {disfmarker} ? You know ? How {disfmarker} how much {disfmarker} how much extra would you allow at most {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I wanted to {disfmarker} I wanted it to be able to {disfmarker} l he be heard normally ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so that if you {disfmarker} if you play {pause} back that bin and have it in the mode where it stops at the boundary , {vocalsound} it sounds like a normal word .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't sound like the person {disfmarker} i it sounds normal . It 's as if the person could 've stopped there .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And it wouldn't have been an awkward place to stop .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Now sometimes you know , it 's {disfmarker} these are involved in places where there was no time . And so , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} there wouldn't be {pause} a gap afterwards because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean some cases , there 're some people {pause} um , who {disfmarker} who have very long {pause} segments of discourse where , {vocalsound} you know , they 'll {disfmarker} they 'll breath {pause} and then I put a break .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But other than that , it 's really pretty continuous and this includes things like going from one sentence into the {disfmarker} u one utterance into the next , one sentence into the next , um , w without really stopping . I mean {disfmarker} i they , i you know in writing you have this {vocalsound} two spaces and a big gap",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but uh {pause} {vocalsound} i some people are planning and , you know , I mean , a lot {disfmarker} we always are planning {pause} what we 're going to say next .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But uh , in which case , the gap between {pause} these two complete syntactic units , {vocalsound} um , which of course n spoken things are not always complete syntactically , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but it would be a shorter p shorter break {vocalsound} than {vocalsound} maybe you might like .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But the goal there was to {pause} not have {vocalsound} the text be so {disfmarker} so crudely {pause} parsed in a time bin . I mean , because {vocalsound} from a discourse m purpose {pause} it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's more {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's more useful to be able to see {disfmarker} and also you know , from a speech recognition purpose my impression is that {vocalsound} if you have too long a unit , it 's {disfmarker} it doesn't help you very much either , cuz of the memory .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . That 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , that means that {vocalsound} the amount of time after something is variable depending partly on context , but my general goal {vocalsound} when there was {pause} sufficient space , room , pause {pause} after it {pause} to have it be {pause} kind of a natural feeling {pause} gap .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Which I c I don't know what it would be quantified as . You know , Wally Chafe says that {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} in producing narratives , the spurts that people use {vocalsound} tend to be , {vocalsound} uh , that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} what would be a pause might be something like two {disfmarker} two seconds .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And um , that would be , you know one speaker . The discourse {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the people who look at turn taking often do use {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I was interested that you chose uh , {vocalsound} you know um , {comment} the {disfmarker} you know that you use cuz I think that 's a unit that would be more consistent with sociolinguistics . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well we chose um , you know , half a second because {vocalsound} if {disfmarker} if you go much larger , you have a {disfmarker} y you know , your {disfmarker} your statement about how much overlap there is becomes less , {vocalsound} um , precise ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "because you include more of actual pause time into what you consider overlap speech . Um , so , it 's sort of a compromise ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {comment} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , I also used I think something around zero point five seconds for the speech - nonspeech detector {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's also based {disfmarker} I mean Liz suggested that value based on {vocalsound} the distribution of pause times that you see in Switchboard and {disfmarker} and other corpora .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "for the minimum silence length .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "In any case , this {disfmarker} this uh , meeting {pause} that I hand {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hand - adjusted two of them I mentioned before ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and I sent {disfmarker} I sent email ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so at some point we will try to fine - tune our forced alignment",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And I sent the {comment} {pause} path .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "maybe using those as references because you know , what you would do is you would play with different parameters . And to get an object You need an objective {vocalsound} measure of how closely you can align the models to the actual speech . And that 's where your your data would be {pause} very important to have . So , I will {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and hopefully the new meetings {pause} which will start from the channelized version will {disfmarker} will have better time boundaries {pause} and alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But I like this idea of {disfmarker} uh , for our purposes for the {disfmarker} for the IBM preparation , {vocalsound} uh , n having these {pause} joined together ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker} It makes a lot of sense . And in terms of transcription , it would be easy to do it that way .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The way that they have with the longer units ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "not having to fuss with adding these units at this time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Whi - which could have one drawback . If there is uh a backchannel in between those three things ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the n the backchannel will {disfmarker} will occur at the end of {disfmarker} of those three .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the previous version where in the n which is used now , {vocalsound} there , the backchannel would {disfmarker} would be in - between there somewhere , so .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "That would be more natural",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's right , but you know , thi this brings me to the other f stage of this which I discussed with you earlier today ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "which is {vocalsound} the second stage is {vocalsound} um , w what to do {pause} in terms of the transcribers adjustment of these data . I discussed this with you too . Um , the tr so the idea initially was , we would get {vocalsound} uh , for the new meetings , so the e EDU meetings , that {vocalsound} Thilo ha has now presegmented all of them for us , on a channel by channel basis . And um , so , I 've assigned {disfmarker} I 've {disfmarker} I 've assigned them to our transcribers and um , so far I 've discussed it with one , with uh {disfmarker} And I had a {pause} about an hour discussion with her about this yesterday , we went through {vocalsound} uh EDU - one , at some extent . And it occurred to me that {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} that {vocalsound} basically what we have in this kind of a format is {disfmarker} you could consider it as a staggered mixed file , we had some discussion over the weekend a about {disfmarker} at {disfmarker} at this other meeting that we were all a at {disfmarker} um , {vocalsound} about whether the tran the IBM transcribers should hear a single channel audio , or a mixed channel audio . And um , {vocalsound} in {disfmarker} in a way , by {disfmarker} by having this {disfmarker} this chunk and then the backchannel {vocalsound} after it , it 's like a stagal staggered mixed channel . And um , {vocalsound} it occurred {pause} to me in my discussion with her yesterday that um , um , the {disfmarker} {pause} the {disfmarker} the maximal gain , it 's {disfmarker} from the IBM {pause} people , may be in long stretches of connected speech . So it 's basically a whole bunch of words {vocalsound} which they can really do , because of the continuity within that person 's turn . So , what I 'm thinking , and it may be that not all meetings will be good for this , {comment} but {disfmarker} but what I 'm thinking is that {vocalsound} in the EDU meetings , they tend to be {vocalsound} driven by a couple of dominant speakers . And , if the chunked files focused on the dominant speakers , {vocalsound} then , when {disfmarker} when it got s patched together when it comes back from IBM , we can add the backchannels . It seems to me {vocalsound} that {vocalsound} um , you know , the backchannels per - se wouldn't be so hard , but then there 's this question of the time {pause} @ @ {comment} uh , marking , and whether the beeps would be {vocalsound} uh y y y And I 'm not exactly sure how that {disfmarker} how that would work with the {disfmarker} with the backchannels . And , so um {disfmarker} And certainly things that are {vocalsound} intrusions of multiple words , {vocalsound} taken out of context and displaced in time from where they occurred , {vocalsound} that would be hard . So , m my {vocalsound} thought is {pause} i I 'm having this transcriber go through {vocalsound} the EDU - one meeting , and indicate a start time {nonvocalsound} f for each dominant speaker , endpoi end time for each dominant speaker , and the idea that {vocalsound} these units would be generated for the dominant speakers , {vocalsound} and maybe not for the other channels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the only , um , disadvantage of that is , then it 's hard to use an automatic method to do that . The advantage is that it 's probably faster to do that than it is to use the automated method and correct it . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "We 'll just have to see .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I think um , you know , the original plan was that the transcriber would adjust the t the boundaries , and all that for all the channels but , {vocalsound} you know , that is so time - consuming , and since we have a bottleneck here , we want to get IBM things that are usable s as soon as possible , then this seemed to me it 'd be a way of gett to get them a flood of data , which would be useful when it comes back to us . And um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh also , at the same time she {disfmarker} when she goes through this , she 'll be {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} If there 's anything that {vocalsound} was encoded as a pause , but really has something transcribable in it , {vocalsound} then she 's going to {vocalsound} uh , make a mark {disfmarker} w uh , so you know , so {vocalsound} that {disfmarker} that bin would be marked as it {disfmarker} as double dots and she 'll just add an S . And in the other {disfmarker} in the other case , if it 's marked as speech , {vocalsound} and really there 's nothing transcribable in it , then she 's going to put a s dash , and I 'll go through and it {disfmarker} and um , you know , with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} with a substitution command , get it so that it 's clear that those are the other category . I 'll just , you know , recode them . But um , {vocalsound} um , the transcribable events {pause} that um , I 'm considering in this , {vocalsound} uh , continue to be {vocalsound} laugh , as well as speech , and cough and things like that , so I 'm not stripping out anything , just {disfmarker} just you know , being very lenient in what 's considered speech . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Jane ? In terms of the {disfmarker} this new procedure you 're suggesting , {vocalsound} um , u what is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that different .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm a little confused , because how do we know where to put beeps ? Is it {disfmarker} i d y is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Transcriber will do it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So what it {disfmarker} what it {disfmarker} what it involves is {disfmarker} is really a s uh , {vocalsound} uh , the original pr procedure , but {vocalsound} only applied to {pause} uh , a certain {pause} strategically chosen {pause} s aspect of the data .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "We pick the easy parts of the data basically ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and transcriber marks it by hand .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You got it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But after we 've done Thilo 's thing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , after . Oh , OK ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I didn't {disfmarker} I didn't understand that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , I 'm @ @ {disfmarker} now I 'm confused .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . We start with your presegmented version {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK , and I 'm leaving .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I have to go as well .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , leave the mikes on , and just put them on the table .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "We start with the presegmented version {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Let me mark you as no digits .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You start with the presegmentation , r {vocalsound} yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And then um , {vocalsound} the transcriber , {vocalsound} instead of going painstakingly through all the channels and moving the boundaries around , and deciding if it 's speech or not , but not transcribing anything . OK ? Instead of doing that , which was our original plan , {vocalsound} the tra They focus on the dominant speaker {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . They just {vocalsound} do that on {pause} the main channels .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So what they do is they identify who 's the di dominant speaker , and when the speaker starts .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I mean , you 're still gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And you just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So we 're {disfmarker} It 's based on your se presegmentation , that 's the basic {pause} thing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and you just use the s the segments of the dominant speaker then ? For {disfmarker} for sending to {disfmarker} to IBM or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So , now Jane , my question is {vocalsound} when they 're all done adjusting the w time boundaries for the dominant speaker , {comment} have they then also erased the time boundaries for the other ones ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh No . No , no . Huh - uh . S",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So how will we know who {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's why she 's notating the start and end points of the dominant speakers . So , on a {disfmarker} you know , so {vocalsound} i in EDU - one , i as far as I listened to it , you start off with a {disfmarker} a s section by Jerry . So Jerry starts at minute so - and - so , and goes until minute so - and - so . And then Mark Paskin comes in . And he starts at {vocalsound} minute such - and - such , and goes on till minute so - and - so . OK . And then {vocalsound} meanwhile , she 's listening to {vocalsound} {pause} both of these guys ' channels , determining if there 're any cases of misclassification of speech as nothing , and nothing as speech ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} a and adding a tag if that happens .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So she does the adjustments on those guys ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But you know , I wanted to say , his segmentation is so good , that {vocalsound} um , the part that I listened to with her yesterday {vocalsound} didn't need any adjustments of the bins .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "On that meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So far we haven't . So this is not gonna be a major part of the process , at least {disfmarker} least not in {disfmarker} not on ones that {disfmarker} that really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So if you don't have to adjust the bins , why not just do what it {disfmarker} for all the channels ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Why not just throw all the channels to IBM ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well there 's the question o of {pause} whether {disfmarker} Well , OK . She i It 's a question of how much time we want our transcriber to invest here {vocalsound} when she 's gonna have to invest that when it comes back from IBM anyway .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So if it 's only inserting \" mm - hmm \"s here and there , then , wouldn't that be something that would be just as efficient to do at this end , instead of having it go through I B M , then be patched together , then be double checked here .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} But then we could just use the {disfmarker} the output of the detector , and do the beeping on it , and send it to I B",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Without having her check anything .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "I think we just {disfmarker} we just have to listen to it and see how good they are .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "For some meetings , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure it {disfmarker} i n",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm open to that , it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if it 's working well ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} And some {disfmarker} on some meetings it 's good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that sounds like a good idea since as you say you have to do stuff with the other end anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well yea OK , good . I mean the detector , this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean we have to fix it when it comes back anyhow .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Now , you were saying that they {disfmarker} they differ in how well they work depending on channel s sys systems and stuff .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we should perhaps just select meetings on which the speech - nonspeech detection works well ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But EDU is great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and just use , {vocalsound} those meetings to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to send to IBM and , do the other ones .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Release to begin with .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "How interesting . You know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "What 's the problem {disfmarker} the l I forget . Is the problem the lapel , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it really depends . Um , my {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my impression is that it 's better for meetings with fewer speakers , and it 's better for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for meetings where nobody is breathing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "the dead meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "get {disfmarker} That 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So in fact this might suggest an alternative sort of a {disfmarker} a c a hybrid between these two things .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , the undead meeting , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} the one suggestion is you know we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we run Thilo 's thing and then we have somebody go and adjust all the time boundaries",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and we send it to IBM . The other one is {vocalsound} we just run his thing and send it to IBM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There 's a {disfmarker} a another possibility if we find that there are some problems ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and that is {vocalsound} if we go ahead and we {vocalsound} just run his , and we generate the beeps file , then we have somebody listen beeps file .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And erase {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And they listen to each section and say \" yes , no \" whether that section is",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is intelligible .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "i i intelligible or not . And it just {disfmarker} You know , there 's a little interface which will {disfmarker} for all the \" yes \" - es it {disfmarker} then that will be the final {vocalsound} beep file .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Blech .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting ! Cuz that 's {disfmarker} that 's directly related to the e end task .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Stress test .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "How interesting !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean it wouldn't be that much fun for a transcriber to sit there , hear it , beep , yes or no .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Nope .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But it would be quick .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It would be {disfmarker} kind of quick but they 're still listening to everything .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But there 's no adjusting . And that 's what 's slow . There 's no adjusting of time boundaries .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} eh , listening does take time too .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't know , I {disfmarker} I think I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm really tending towards {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "One and a half times real time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , {vocalsound} what 's the worst that happens ? Do the transcribers {disfmarker} I mean as long as th on the other end they can say there 's {disfmarker} there 's something {disfmarker} conventions so that they say \" huh ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . They {disfmarker} they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then we can flag those later .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "i i It {disfmarker} i",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We can just catch it at the {disfmarker} catch everything at this side .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe that 's the best way to go ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "How interesting !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean it just depends on how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well EDU {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "u u u",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I was gonna say , EDU - one is good enough ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "maybe we could include it in this {disfmarker} in this set of uh , this stuff we send .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah there 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think there are some meetings where it would {disfmarker} would {disfmarker} It 's possible like this .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I think , we won't know until we generate a bunch of beep files automatically , listen to them and see how bad they are .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "We won't be able to s include it with this first thing ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "because there 's a part of the process of the beep file which requires knowing the normalization coefficients .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So a",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's not hard to do . Just {disfmarker} it takes {disfmarker} you know , it just takes five minutes rather than , taking a second .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So . I just hand {disfmarker} hard - coded it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right , except I don't think that {disfmarker} the c the instructions for doing that was in that directory , right ? I {disfmarker} I didn't see where you had gener",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , but it 's easy enough to do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} but I have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Doing the gain ? It 's no problem . Adjusting the gain ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "n Doing th No , getting the coefficients , for each channel .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's no problem .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Know what numbers .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So we just run that one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There are lots of ways to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We can do that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I have one program that 'll do it . You can find other programs .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I used it , so .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We just run that",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "J - sound - stat ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Minus D , capital D .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I have {pause} another suggestion on that , which is , {vocalsound} since , really what this is , is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is trying to in the large , send the right thing to them and there is gonna be this {disfmarker} this post - processing step , um , why don't we check through a bunch of things by sampling it ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? In other words , rather than , um , uh , saying we 're gonna listen to everything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I didn't mean listen to everything , I meant , just see if they 're any good .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So y you do a bunch of meetings , you listen to {disfmarker} to a little bit here and there ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if it sounds like it 's almost always right and there 's not any big problem you send it to them .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Send it to them .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , you know , then they 'll send us back what we {disfmarker} w what {disfmarker} what they send back to us ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 'd be great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll fix things up and {vocalsound} some meetings will cost more time to fix up than others .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We should {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And we should just double - check with Brian on a few simple conventions on how they should mark things .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . When they {disfmarker} when there 's either no speech in there ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {vocalsound} something they don't understand ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "things like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cuz @ @ uh what I had originally said to Brian was well they 'll have to mark , when they can't distinguish between the foreground and background ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "because I thought that was gonna be the most prevalent . But if we send them without editing , then we 're also gonna hafta have m uh , notations for words that are cut off ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and other sorts of , uh , acoustic problems .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They do already .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And they may just guess at what those cut - off words are ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "but w I mean we 're gonna adjust {disfmarker} everything when we come back {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But what {disfmarker} what we would like them to do is be conservative so that they should only write down the transcript if they 're sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And otherwise they should mark it so that we can check .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mark it . Sure . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we have the unintelligibility {pause} convention .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And actually they have one also ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "i Can I maybe have {disfmarker} have an order of {disfmarker} it 's probably in your paper that I haven't looked at lately , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Certainty .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , an order of magnitude notion of {disfmarker} of how {disfmarker} on a good meeting , how often uh , do you get segments that come in the middle of words and so forth , and uh {disfmarker} in a bad meeting how {vocalsound} often ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Was is it in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what is the t",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well he 's saying , you know , that the {disfmarker} the EDU meeting was a good {disfmarker} good meeting ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "In a good meeting , what ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so it was almost {disfmarker} it was almost always doing the right thing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "the characteristics .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So I wanted to get some sense of what {disfmarker} what almost always meant . And then , uh in a bad meeting , {vocalsound} or p some meetings where he said oh he 's had some problems , what does that mean ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "So I mean does one of the does it mean one percent and ten percent ? Or does it mean {vocalsound} five percent and fifty percent ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} Maybe percentage isn't the right word ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Just",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but you know how many {disfmarker} how many per minute , or {disfmarker} You know .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} the problem is that , nnn , the numbers Ian gave in the paper is just uh , some frame error rate . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's not really {disfmarker} {vocalsound} What will be effective for {disfmarker} for the transcribers , is {disfmarker} They have to {disfmarker} yeah , in in they have to insure that that 's a real s spurt or something . And {disfmarker} but , {vocalsound} the numbers {disfmarker} Oops . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Let me think . So the {pause} speech {disfmarker} the amount of speech that is missed by the {pause} detector , for a good meeting , I th is around {pause} or under one percent , I would say . But there can be {disfmarker} Yeah . For {disfmarker} yeah , but there can be more {disfmarker} There 's {disfmarker} There 's more amount speech {disfmarker} uh , more amount of {disfmarker} Yeah well , the detector says there is speech , but there is none . So that {disfmarker} that can be a lot when {disfmarker} when it 's really a breathy channel .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But I think that 's less of a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They 'll just listen . It 's just wasted time .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And th and that 's for a good meeting . Now what about in a meeting that you said we 've {disfmarker} you 've had some more trouble with ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I can't {comment} really {disfmarker} hhh , {comment} {pause} Tsk . {comment} I {pause} don't have really representative numbers , I think . That 's really {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I did {pause} this on {disfmarker} on four meetings and only five minutes of {disfmarker} of every meet of {disfmarker} of these meetings so , {vocalsound} it 's not {disfmarker} not that representative , but , it 's perhaps , Fff . Um {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's perhaps then {disfmarker} it 's perhaps five percent of something , which s uh the {disfmarker} the frames {disfmarker} speech frames which are {disfmarker} which are missed , but um , I can't {disfmarker} can't really tell .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So i Sometime , we might wanna go back and look at it more in terms of {vocalsound} how many times is there a spurt that 's {disfmarker} that 's uh , interrupted ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Something like that ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The other problem is , that when it {disfmarker} when it uh d i on the breathy ones , where you get {vocalsound} {vocalsound} breathing , uh , inti indicated as speech .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And I guess we could just indicate to the transcribers not to {pause} encode that if they {disfmarker} We could still do the beep file .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah again I {disfmarker} I think that that is probably less of a problem because if you 're {disfmarker} if there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} If {disfmarker} if a {disfmarker} if a word is {disfmarker} is split , then they might have to listen to it a few times to really understand that they can't quite get it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Whereas if they listen {nonvocalsound} to it and there 's {disfmarker} don't hear any speech I think they 'd probably just listen to it once .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So there 'd {disfmarker} you 'd think there 'd be a {disfmarker} a factor of three or four in {disfmarker} in , uh , cost function ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "you know , between them or something .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} but I think that 's {disfmarker} n that really doesn't happen very often that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that a word is cut in the middle or something . That 's {disfmarker} that 's really not {disfmarker} not normal .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so what you 're saying is that nearly always what happens when there 's a problem is that {disfmarker} is that uh , there 's {vocalsound} some uh , uh nonspeech that uh {disfmarker} that is b interpreted as speech .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That is marked as speech . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well then , we really should just send the stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That would be great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Because that doesn't do any harm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You know , if they {disfmarker} they hear you know , a dog bark and they say what was the word , they {comment} you know , they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I als I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ruff ruff !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I also thought of {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there are really some channels where it is almost {comment} um , only bre breathing in it . And to {disfmarker} to re - run 's",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Eh , um . Yeah . I 've got a {disfmarker} a {pause} P - a {pause} method with loops into the cross - correlation with the PZM mike , and then to reject everything which {disfmarker} which seems to be breath .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , I could run this on those breathy channels , and perhaps throw out {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Wow , that 's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But I think {disfmarker} I th Again , I think that sort of {disfmarker} that that would be good ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and what that 'll do is just cut the time a little further .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I think none of this is stuff that really needs somebody doing these {disfmarker} these uh , uh , explicit markings .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Oh , I 'd be delighted with that , I {disfmarker} I was very impressed with the {disfmarker} with the result . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cuz the other thing that was concerning me about it was that it seemed kind of specialized to the EDU meeting , and {disfmarker} and that then when you get a meeting like this or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and you have a b a bunch of different dominant speakers",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "you know , how are you gonna handle it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Whereas this sounds like a more general solution",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , I pr I much prefer this ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I was just trying to find a way {disfmarker} Cuz I {disfmarker} I don't think the staggered mixed channel is awfully good as a way of handling overlaps .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Well good . That {disfmarker} that really simplifies thing then .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "And we can just , you know , get the meeting , process it , put the beeps file , send it off to IBM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "With very little {pause} work on our side .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Process it , hear into it . I would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do what ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , {pause} listen to it , and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or at least sample it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , sample it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sample it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I would just use some samples ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "make sure you don't send them three hours of \" bzzz \" {comment} or something .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That won't be good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah that would be very good .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then we can you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
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"content": "That 'll oughta be a good way to get the pipeline going .",
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"content": "I mean , {comment} what 're we gonna do ?",
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},
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "a hand - transcriber would have trouble with that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah ,",
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},
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "I mean it 's an infinite number of channels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "But ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So just put them on some other channel .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah cuz there will be no channel on which it is foreground .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Right , but , uh , in general I don't think we want them transcribing the background , cuz that would be too much work . ",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
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{
"content": "Right ? For it {disfmarker} because in the overlap sections , then they 'll",
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"content": "Well I don't think Jane 's saying they 're gonna transcribe it , but they 'll just mark it as being {disfmarker} there 's some background stuff there ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "But that 's gonna be all over the place .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
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{
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Oh , I think {disfmarker} I think it 'd be easy to to say \" background laptop \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "How would they know that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But wait a minute , why would they treat them differently ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Because otherwise it 's gonna be too much work for them to mark it . They 'll be marking it all over the place .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Sure , but how are they gonna tell bet the difference between that and two people just talking at the same time ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Oh , you can tell . Acoustically , can't you tell ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "It 's really good sound , so {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Oh is it ? Oh !",
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"content": "Well , I mean , isn't there a category something like uh , \" sounds for someone for whom there is no i close mike \" ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Yeah that would be very important ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "But how do we d how do we do that for the I B M folks ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
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"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "How can they tell that ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Well we may just have to do it when it gets back here .",
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"content": "Yes , that 's my opinion as well .",
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"content": "So we don't do anything for it {disfmarker} with it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "And they 'll just mark it however they mark it ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "That sounds good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "No , not default .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Well , as it comes back , we have a uh {disfmarker} when we can use the channelized interface for encoding it , then it 'll be easy for us to handle .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah . So . Shall we uh , do digits and get out of here ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I have o I have one question . Do you think we should send the um {disfmarker} that whole meeting to them and not worry about pre - processing it ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yes ma '",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Or {disfmarker} Uh , what I mean is {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} we should {vocalsound} leave the {vocalsound} part with the audio in the uh , beep file that we send to IBM for that one , or should we {vocalsound} start after the {disfmarker} that part of the meeting is over in what we send .",
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"content": "Which part ?",
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"content": "With {disfmarker}",
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"content": "So , the part where they 're using sounds from their {disfmarker} from their laptops .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "w If we have speech from the laptop should we just uh , excise that from what we send to IBM , or should we {vocalsound} i give it to them and let them do with it what they can ?",
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"content": "I think we should just {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's gonna be too much work if we hafta {vocalsound} worry about that I think .",
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"content": "Yeah , I think if we just {disfmarker} m send it all to them . you know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"content": "Worry about it when we get back .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Good . And see how well they do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Let {disfmarker} Yeah , worry about it when we get back in .",
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"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"speaker": "Grad A"
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"content": "OK . Alright .",
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"content": "I think that {disfmarker} that will be a little bit of a problem",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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"content": "as it really switches around between {vocalsound} two different channels , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm , and {disfmarker} and they 're very {disfmarker} it 's very audible ? on the close - talking channels ?",
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"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Oh well . I mean , it 's the same problem as the lapel mike .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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{
"content": "Oh , interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "Comparable , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , alright . Digits .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's do digits .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "OK , so we read the transcript number first , right ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Are we gonna do it altogether or separately ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} What time is it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , {vocalsound} why don't we do it together ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , quarter to four .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's a nice fast way to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "One , two , three , go !",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "It 's kind of interesting if there 're any more errors in these , {vocalsound} than we had the first set .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , yeah , I think there probably will be .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you guys plug your ears when you do it ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I do .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I usually do .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
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{
"content": "I do .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "I don't .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I didn't this time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc C"
},
{
"content": "You don't ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I haven't been ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "How can you do that ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "no .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Uh , concentration .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Perhaps there are {vocalsound} lots of errors in it",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Gah !",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Total concentration . Are you guys ready ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "You hate to have your ears plugged ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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"topic": "What to include in the meeting corpus and how to structure it"
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"answer": "The participants discussed how meetings would be transcribed, what kind of information to include in their corpus as well as how to structure it, issues with storing data, and their model. They were particularly concerned with how IBM could assist with transcribing meetings and how they would manage large amounts of data if they include more information in their corpus, given that they were running low on storage. They decided that they could store the data on tapes for backup, and that they would wait and see how IBM transcribes their meetings. As for the modeling, PhD I reported several results and a few members of the team decided to further discuss progress in a smaller meeting later on.",
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"answer": "The discussion centered on the extent to which the recordings should be segmented for the corpus and which recordings should be included in the corpus. The team expressed that it would be helpful to filter out breath and non-verbal sounds. It also expressed that for two person conversations and transcripts that do not follow their general meeting setup, it could create a different directory.",
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"answer": "The team felt that the current file system they were using was running out of space, specifically back-up capacity. They needed to figure out a way to back-up the data they were collecting. They decided that the tape system that ICSI has is pretty reliable. But they needed to discuss the matter with the system administrator.",
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"content": "So we 're on .",
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"content": "Yeah . That 's better .",
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"content": "And , {comment} somewhere is my agenda . I think the most important thing is Morgan wanted to talk about , uh , the ARPA {pause} demo .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Well , so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s again start off with {disfmarker} with , uh , Yeah , I 'll get it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want to start off with the agenda . And then , given that , uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten , fifteen minutes late , we can try to figure out what we can do most effectively without them here . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} so , one thing is , yeah , talk about demo ,",
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"content": "OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBM transcription status ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?",
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"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": " What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "Uh , we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add the data to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "The data . The data which we are collecting here .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "So why don't we have that on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The SmartKom data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , reorganization status .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Reorganization status .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Files and directories ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Files and directories .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX {disfmarker} Linux . I think it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation and recognition , and update on SRI recognition experiments .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And then if ti if there 's time I wanted to talk about digits , but it looked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition we wanna maybe focus on when An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And also the SmartKom thing should b",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "SmartKom also , Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in a lot of those things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "At least ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably be interested .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interested in all this , but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably , if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talk on for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganization status , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agenda item . I don't really have anything to say other than that we still haven't done it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , I uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "maybe I said {disfmarker} maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and we sort of have a plan for getting things organized and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} and I think a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the next level zero back - up so that there won't be huge number of {disfmarker} of added ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that was basically it . Not {disfmarker} not much @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Although Dave basically said that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he 'll do a d level zero then .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everything ready , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during this meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we 're {disfmarker} we 're basically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of the background . So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up to date . So . And I 've been sharing them with U - d UW folks also .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showing them ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sharing them .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Sharing them with the UW folks .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe we should talk about the IBM transcription status . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later . Uh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where we separated each beeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , and so it just goes \" beep one beep \" and then the phrase , and then \" beep two beep \" and then the phrase . And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of where they are in the file .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And we have done that on the {pause} automatic segmentations .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And we did it with the automatic segmentation , and I don't think {disfmarker} We ne we didn't look at it in detail . We just sent it to IBM . We {disfmarker} we sorta spot - checked it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I listened to {pause} probably , uh , five or ten minutes of it from the beginning .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I sorta spot - checked here and there and it sounded pretty good . So . I think it 'll work .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , we 'll just hafta see what we get back from them . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And the main thing will be if we can align what they give us with what we sent them . I mean , that 's the crucial part .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And I think we 'll be able to do that at {disfmarker} with this new beep format .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Well , I think it 's also they are much less likely to d have errors .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , so the problem wi last time is that there were errors in the transcripts where they put beeps where there weren't any , or {disfmarker} and they put in extraneous beeps .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And with the numbers there , it 's much less likely .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one interesting note is {disfmarker} uh , or problem {disfmarker} I dunno if this was just because of how I play it back , I say , uh , SND - play and then the file , every once in a while , @ @ {comment} uh , like a beep sounds like it 's cut into two beeps .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Into two pieces .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I dunno if that 's an , uh , artifact of playback {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "bu uh , I don't think it 's probably in the original file . Um , but , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I recognize that , too . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ha . That 's interesting . I didn't hear that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But with this new format , um , that hopefully they 're not hearing that , and if they are , it shouldn't throw them .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe we better listen to it again , make sure , but , I mean , certainly the software shouldn't do that ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's what I thought .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I it 's probably just , you know , mmm , somehow the audio {pause} device gets hung for a second ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Some latency or something .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hiccups .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "As long as they have one number , and they know that there 's only one beep maximum {vocalsound} that goes with that number .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The only {disfmarker} the only part that might be confusing is when Chuck is reading digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , actually , are we having them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Seven four eight beep seven beep {vocalsound} eight three two \" .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but are we having them do digits ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Because , uh , we don't {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker} In order to cut them out we 'd have to listen to it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we didn't cut those out .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They are not transcribed yet . So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And we wanted to avoid doing that ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "so we {disfmarker} they are transcribing the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We can {disfmarker} we can ignore it when we get it back ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Although we could tell them {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} we could tell them , if you hear someone reading a digits string just say \" bracket digit bracket \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and don't bother actually computing the di writing down the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be great . That 'd be what I 'm having the transcribers here do , cuz it can be extracted later .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And then I wanted to talk about {disfmarker} but as I said I {disfmarker} we may not have time {disfmarker} what we should do about digits . We have a whole pile of digits that haven't been transcribed .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Le - let 's talk about it , because that 's {disfmarker} that 's something that I {disfmarker} I know Andreas is less interested in than Liz is ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "so , you know . It 's good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Do we have anything else to say about transcription ? About IBM stuff ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Brian {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {vocalsound} sent bresset {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} sent Brian a message about {pause} {vocalsound} the meeting and I haven't heard back yet . So . I g hope he got it and hopefully he 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "maybe he 's gone , I dunno . He didn't even reply to my message . So . I should probably ping him just to make sure that he got it . ",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So , we have a whole bunch of digits , if we wanna move on to digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Actually , maybe I {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} one relate more related thing in transcription . So that 's the IBM stuff . We 've got that sorted out . Um , how 're we doing on the {disfmarker} on the rest of it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We 're doing well . I {disfmarker} I hire {disfmarker} I 've hired two extra people already , expect to hire two more .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , um , {vocalsound} I 've prepared , um , uh , a set of five which I 'm {disfmarker} which I 'm calling set two , which are now being edited by my head transcriber , {vocalsound} in terms of spelling errors and all that . She 's also checking through and mar and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and monitoring , um , the transcription of another transcriber . You know , I mean , she 's going through and doing these kinds of checks .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , I 've moved on now to what I 'm calling set three . I sort of thought if I do it in sets {disfmarker} groups of five , then I can have , like , sort of a {disfmarker} a parallel processing through {disfmarker} through the {disfmarker} the current .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and you indicated to me that we have a g a goal now , {vocalsound} for the {disfmarker} for the , um , {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} the , uh , DARPA demo , of twenty hours . So , I 'm gonna go up to twenty hours , be sure that everything gets processed , and released , and {disfmarker} {pause} {comment} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's what my goal is . Package of twenty hours right now , {vocalsound} and then once that 's done , move on to the next .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh , so twenty hours . But I guess the other thing is that , um , that {disfmarker} that 's kinda twenty hours ASAP because the longer before the demo we actually have the twenty hours , the more time it 'll be for people to actually do cool things with it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Good . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm hiring people who , {vocalsound} uh , really are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They would like to do it full - time , several of these people . And {disfmarker} and I don't think it 's {vocalsound} possible , really , to do this full - time , but , that {disfmarker} what it shows is motivation to do as many hours as possible .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 'll keep your accuracy up . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And they 're really excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Got a good core group now .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , I guess the {disfmarker} So the difference if {disfmarker} if , um , if the IBM stuff works out , the difference in the job would be that they p primarily would be checking through things that were already done by someone else ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Again . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Is that most of what it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And correcting .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Correcting .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Correcting . We 'll {disfmarker} we 'll expect that they 'll have to move some time bins and do some corrections .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} you know , I 've also d uh , discovered {disfmarker} So with the new transcriber I 'm {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Uh , lemme say that my , uh {disfmarker} So , um {disfmarker} At present , um , the people have been doing these transcriptions a channel at a time . And , that sort of , um , {vocalsound} is useful , and t you know , and then once in a while they 'll have to refer to the other channels to clear something up . OK . Well , {vocalsound} I realize that , um , w i we we 're using the pre - segmented version , and , um , the pre - segmented version is extremely useful , and wouldn't it be , useful also to have the visual representation of those segments ? And so I 've {disfmarker} {pause} uh , {pause} I , uh , uh , I 've {comment} trained the new one {disfmarker} uh , the new the newest one , {vocalsound} to , um , {vocalsound} use the visual from the channel that is gonna be transcribed at any given time . And that 's just amazingly helpful . Because what happens then , is you scan across the signal and once in a while you 'll find a blip that didn't show up in the pre - segmentation .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And that 'll be something like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I it 's ver {disfmarker} it 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I see what you mean . A backchannel , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Once in a while it 's a backchannel .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sometimes it seems to be , um , similar to the ones that are being picked up .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And they 're rare events , but you can really go through a meeting very quickly . You just {disfmarker} you just , you know , yo you s you scroll from screen to screen , looking for blips . And , I think that we 're gonna end up with , uh {pause} better coverage of the backchannels ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but at the same time we 're benefitting tremendously from the pre - segmentation because {vocalsound} there are huge places where there is just absolutely no activity at all . And , uh , the audio quality is so good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So they can {disfmarker} they can , um , scroll through that pretty quick ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think that that 's gonna , also {pause} eh , {comment} you know , speed the efficiency of this part of the process .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . OK . Uh , yeah . So , uh {disfmarker} Yeah . So let 's talk about the digits , since they 're not here yet .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so , we have a whole bunch of digits that we 've read and we have the forms and so on , um , but only a small number of that ha well , not a small number {disfmarker} only a subset of that has been transcribed . And so we need to decide what we wanna do . And , uh , Liz and Andreas {disfmarker} actually they 're not here , but , they did say at one point that they thought they could do a pretty good job of just doing a forced alignment . And , again , I don't think we 'll be able to do with that alone , because , um , sometimes people correct themselves and things like that . But {disfmarker} so , I was just wondering what people thought about how automated can we make the process of finding where the people read the digits , doing a forced alignment , and doing the timing .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , forced alignment would be one thing . What about just actually doing recognition ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we {disfmarker} we know what they read , because we have the forms .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , they make mistakes .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . But , the point is that we wanna get a set of clean digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You 're talking about as a pre - processing step .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right , Morgan ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you 're {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure what I 'm talking about . I mean {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we 're talking about digits now . And {disfmarker} and so , um , there 's a bunch of stuff that hasn't been marked yet . Uh . And , um , {vocalsound} there 's the issue that {disfmarker} that they {disfmarker} we know what {disfmarker} what was said , but do we ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , so one option i",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Because people make mistakes and stuff . I was just asking , just out of curiosity , if {disfmarker} if with , uh {disfmarker} uh , the SRI recognizer getting one percent word error , uh , would we {disfmarker} would we do {pause} better {disfmarker} ? So , if you do a forced alignment but the force but the {disfmarker} but the transcription you have is wrong because they actually made mistakes , uh , or {vocalsound} false starts , it 's {disfmarker} it 's much less c {vocalsound} it 's {pause} much less common than one percent ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But that 's pretty uncommon . Um , if we could really get one percent on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We should be able to .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess {disfmarker} yeah , I guess if we segmented it , we could get one percent on digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that 's just my question . I 'm not saying it should be one way or the other , but it 's {disfmarker} If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But , Well , there {disfmarker} there 're a couple different of doing it . We could use the tools I 've already developed and transcribe it . Hire some people , or use the transcribers to do it . We could let IBM transcribe it . You know , they 're doing it anyway , and unless we tell them different , they 're gonna transcribe it . Um , or we could try some automated methods .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And my {disfmarker} my tendency right now is , well , if IBM comes back with this meeting and the transcript is good , just let them do it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} Y you raised a point , kind of , uh , euphemistically {disfmarker} but , I mean , m maybe it is a serious problem . Ho - what will they do when they go {disfmarker} hear \" beep {pause} seven {pause} beep {pause} seven three five two \" {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} you think they 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "It 's pretty distinct .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The beeps are {pause} pre - recorded .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "It 'll {comment} only be a problem for m for mine .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , it 'd be preceded by \" I 'm reading transcript so - and - so \" ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , I think if they 're processing it at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "I mean , it 'll be {disfmarker} it will be in the midst of a digit string .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} I mean it {disfmarker} sure , there {disfmarker} there might be a place where it 's \" beep seven {pause} beep eight {pause} beep {pause} eight {pause} beep \" . But , you know , they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're gonna macros for inserting the beep marks . And so , I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll be a problem . We 'll have to see , but I don't think it 's gonna be a problem .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I dunno , I {disfmarker} I think that that 's {disfmarker} if they are in fact going to transcribe these things , uh , certainly any process that we 'd have to correct them , or whatever is {disfmarker} needs to be much less elaborate for digits than for other stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , why not ? Sure . That was it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That was it . Just , what do we do with digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We have so many of them , {vocalsound} and it 'd be nice to {pause} actually do something with them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Well , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we wanna have them . Yeah , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You mean there 're more than ten ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Anything else ? Your mike is a little low there .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "I in Berkeley , yeah . So , {vocalsound} uh {pause} You {disfmarker} you have to go a little early , right ? At twenty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I can stay till about , uh , three forty .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So le let 's make sure we do the ones that {disfmarker} that , uh , saved you .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So there was some {disfmarker} Uh {pause} {vocalsound} In {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} Adam 's agenda list , he had something from you about segmentation this last recognition ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . So this is just partly to inform everybody , um , and {disfmarker} and of course to get , um , input .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um , so , {nonvocalsound} uh , we had a discussion {disfmarker} Don and Liz and I had discussion last week about how to proceed with , uh , you know , with Don 's work ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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"content": "Ch",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
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"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and {disfmarker} and , uh , one of the obvious things that occur to us was that we 're {disfmarker} since we now have Thilo 's segmenter and it works , you know , amazingly well , {vocalsound} um , we should actually basically re - evaluate the recognition , um , results using {disfmarker} you know , without cheating on the segmentations .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , that should be fairly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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{
"content": "And how do we find the transcripts for those so that {disfmarker} ? Yeah . The references for {disfmarker} for {pause} those segments ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Oh , OK . So , there 's actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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{
"content": "It 's not that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Why do you ask ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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{
"content": "I could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "No , actually , um , NIST has , um m a fairly sophisticated scoring program {vocalsound} that you can give a , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a time ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Hand ones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} You know , you basically just give two {pause} time - marked sequences of words , and it computes the um {disfmarker} the , {comment} uh {disfmarker} {comment} you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} th",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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{
"content": "It does all the work for you .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "it does all the work for you .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , it {disfmarker} we just {disfmarker} and we use that actually in Hub - five to do the scoring . Um . So what we 've been using so far was sort of a {pause} simplified version of the scoring . And we can {disfmarker} we can handle the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the type of problem we have here .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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{
"content": "So , basically you give some time constraints for {disfmarker} for the references and for {disfmarker} for the hypothesis ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "So , we ha Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
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"content": "and {disfmarker} Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the {pause} start of your speech and the end of it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "So do",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or stuff like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . It does time - constrained word - alignment .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So that should be possible . I mean that shouldn't be a problem . Uh , so that was the one thing , and the other was that , um {disfmarker} What was the other problem ? Oh ! That Thilo wanted to use {pause} the recognizer alignments to train up his , um , speech detector .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so that we could use , uh {disfmarker} you know there wouldn't be so much hand {vocalsound} labelling needed to , uh {disfmarker} to generate training data for {disfmarker} for the speech detector .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'm just in progress of {disfmarker} of doing that . So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I think you 're in the process of doing that .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , you can {disfmarker} {comment} you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It 'll give you a lot more data , too . Won't it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , it 's basically {disfmarker} s I think , eight meetings or something which {disfmarker} which I 'm using , and , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} before it was twenty minutes of one meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} should {comment} be a little bit better .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That won't be perfect {disfmarker} the alignments aren't perfect ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but , um , it 's probably still better to have all this extra data , than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "We 'll see that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , I had a question about that . If you find that you can {vocalsound} lower the false alarms that you get where there 's no speech , that would be useful {pause} for us to know . So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "There were the false alarms .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , {vocalsound} r right now you get f fal you know , false {disfmarker} false , uh , speech regions when it 's just like , um , {vocalsound} breath or something like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and I 'd be interested to know the {disfmarker} wha if you retrain um ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "do those actually go down or not ? Because {pause} of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'll {disfmarker} can make {disfmarker} an can , like , make a c comparison of {disfmarker} of the old system to the {disfmarker} to the new one , and {pause} then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just to see if by doing nothing in the modeling of {disfmarker} just having that training data wh what happens .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um another one that we had on Adam 's agenda {pause} that definitely involved you was s something about SmartKom ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , Rob Porzel {disfmarker} eh , Porzel ? and the , uh {disfmarker} Porzel {disfmarker} and the , uh , SmartKom group are collecting some dialogues .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Porzel . Porzel .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Basically they have one person sitting in here , looking at a picture , and a wizard sitting in another room somewhere . And , uh , they 're doing a travel task . And , uh , it involves starting {disfmarker} I believe starting with a {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's always the wizard , but it starts where the wizard is pretending to be a computer and it goes through a , uh , {vocalsound} speech generation system .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Actually , it 's changed to a synthesis for {disfmarker} for the first part now .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Synthesis system .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , and then , it goes to a real wizard and they 're evaluating that . And they wanted to use this equipment , and so the w question came up , is {disfmarker} well , here 's some more data . Should this be part of the corpus or not ? And my attitude was yes , because there might be people who are using this corpus for {pause} acoustics , as opposed to just for language . Um , or also for dialogue of various sorts . Um , so it 's not a meeting . Right ? Because it 's two people and they 're not face to face .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute . So , I just wanted to understand it , cuz I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} uh , hadn't quite followed this process .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . So , it 's wizard in the sen usual sense that the person who is asking the questions doesn't know that it 's , uh , a machi not a machine ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "At the beginning .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker} actually , w w the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} We do this {disfmarker} I dunno who came up with it , but I think it 's a really clever idea . We simulate a computer breakdown halfway through the session , and so then after that , the person 's told that they 're now talking to a , uh {disfmarker} to a human .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's a human operator .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But of course they don't know that it 's the same person both times .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , we {disfmarker} we collect {disfmarker} we collect both human - computer and human - human data , essentially , in the same session .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "You might wanna try collecting it the other way around sometime , saying that th the computer isn't up yet",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker} so then you can separate it out whether it 's the beginning or end kind of effects .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's an idea .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "\" I have to go now . You can talk to the computer . \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a lot more believable , too ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" No ! \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "if you tell them that they 're {disfmarker} the computer part is running on a Windows machine . And the whole breakdown thing kinda makes sense .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "O Just {disfmarker} just reboot it .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Abort {disfmarker} abort , retry , fail ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So did they actually save the far - field {pause} data ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , this was {disfmarker} this was the question .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz at first they weren't {disfmarker} they weren't sa",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so they were saying they were not going to ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and I said , \" well that 's silly , if {disfmarker} if we 're gonna try to do it for a corpus , there might be people who are interested in acoustics . \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "projector {comment} We were not saying we are not {pause} doing it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We wer we just wanted to do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , the {disfmarker} the question is do we save one or two far - field channels or all of them ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I see no reason not to do all of them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that if we have someone who is doing acoustic studies , uh , it 's nice to have the same for every recording .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Nnn . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So , what is the purpose of this recording ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "This is to get acoustic and language model training data for SmartKom. OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's to be traini to b training data and development data for the SmartKom {pause} system .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "The English system ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Where does this {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can have him vary the microphones , too ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "B",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or they 're different s speakers .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so for their usage , they don't need anything .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "so why not {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but I 'm not sure about the legal aspect of {disfmarker} of that . Is {disfmarker} is there some contract with SmartKom or something about the data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "What they {disfmarker} or , is {disfmarker} is that our data which we are collecting here ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We 've never signed anything that said that we couldn't use anything that we did .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We weren't supposed to collect any data .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah , th th that was the question .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This was all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No that 's not a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Basically .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} L look , it seems to me that if we 're doing it anyway and we 're doing it for these {disfmarker} these purposes that we have , {vocalsound} and we have these distant mikes , we definitely should re should save it all as long as we 've got disk space ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and disk is pretty cheap .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So should we save it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Now th Yeah . So we save it because it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's potentially useful . And now , what do we do with it is {disfmarker} is a s separate question .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , anybody who 's training something up could {vocalsound} choose to put it {disfmarker} eh , to u include this or not .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I would not say it was part of the meetings corpus . It isn't . But it 's some other data we have , and if somebody doing experiment wants to train up including that then they can . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I guess it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} begs the question of what is the meeting corpus . So if , at UW they start recording two - person hallway conversations is that part of the meeting corpus ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} I th think the idea of two or more people conversing with one another is key .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , this has two or more people conversing with each other .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , well",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "They 're just not face to face .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "What if we just give it a {disfmarker} a name like we give these meetings a name ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , it doesn't . Right ? It has {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that was my intention .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And then later on some people will consider it a meeting and some people won't ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That was my intention . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} s {vocalsound} so part of the reason that I wanted to bring this up is , {vocalsound} do we wanna handle it as a special case or do we wanna fold it in ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Just give it a {vocalsound} title .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I think it is a s",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "we give everyone who 's involved as their own user ID , give it session I Ds , {vocalsound} let all the tools that handle Meeting Recorder handle it , or do we wanna special case it ? And if we were gonna special case it , who 's gonna do that ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it {disfmarker} it makes sense to handle it with the same infrastructure , since we don't want to duplicate things unnecessarily .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But as far as distributing it , we shouldn't label it as part of this meeting corpus .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We should let it be its own corp",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I don't see why not . It 's just a different topic .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I ha I have an extra point , which is the naturalness issue . Because we have , like , meetings that have a reason . That 's one of the reasons that we were talking about this . And {disfmarker} and those {disfmarker} and this sounds like it 's more of an experimental setup .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's got a different purpose .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It 's scenario - based , it 's {disfmarker} it 's human - computer interface {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's really pretty different .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But I I {disfmarker} I have no problem with somebody folding it in for some experiment they 're gonna do , but I don't think i it {disfmarker} it doesn't match anything that we 've described about meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Whereas everything that we talked about them doing at {disfmarker} at UW and so forth really does . They 're actually talking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So w so what does that mean for how we are gonna organize things ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You can {disfmarker} you can {disfmarker} Again , as {disfmarker} as I think Andreas was saying , {vocalsound} if you wanna use the same tools and the same conventions , there 's no problem with that . It 's just that it 's , you know , different directory , it 's called something different , it 's {disfmarker} you know . It is different . You can't just fold it in as if it 's {disfmarker} I mean , digits are different , too . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but those are folded in ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It might also be potentially confusing .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and it 's just {disfmarker} you just mark the transcripts differently . So {disfmarker} so one option is you fold it in ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and just simply in the file you mark somewhere that this is this type of interaction , rather than another type of interaction .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I th",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don I wouldn't call reading digits \" meetings \" . Right ? I mean , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we were doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , but {disfmarker} but , {vocalsound} I put it under the same directory tree .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's in \" user doctor speech data MR \" .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Can we just have a directory called , like , \" other stuff \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Other .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker} or , I dunno .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I don't care what directory tree you have it under .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and just , um , store it there .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean that 's just a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . My preference is to have a single procedure so that I don't have to think too much about things .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , just have a marking .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "O - You {disfmarker} you can use whatever procedure you want that 's p convenient for you .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "If we do it any other way that means that we need a separate procedure , and someone has to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "All I 'm saying is that there 's no way that we 're gonna tell people that reading digits is meetings . And similarly we 're not gonna tell them that someone talking to a computer to get travel information is meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Those aren't meetings . But if it makes it easier for you to pu fold them in the same procedures and have them under the same directory tree , knock yourself out .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "There 's a couple other questions that I have too ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {pause} one of them is , what about , uh , consent issues ? And the other one is , what about transcription ? Are {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Transcription is done in Munich .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So we don't have to worry about transcribing it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , w we will hafta worry about format .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That 's a {disfmarker} that 's another argument to keep it separate , because it 's gonna follow the SmartKom transcription conventions and not the ICSI meeting transcription conventions .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Good point .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , I didn't realize that . That 's {disfmarker} that 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Good point . But I 'm sure no one would have a problem with our folding it in for some acoustic modeling or {disfmarker} or some things . Um . Do we h do we have , uh , um , American - born folk , uh , reading German {disfmarker} German , uh , pla uh , place names and so forth ? Is that {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , great .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "They {disfmarker} they even have a reading list .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I bet that sounds good , huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's pretty funny .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "You can do that if you want .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I dunno if you want that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Heidelberg",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Exactly",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Disk might eventually be an issue so we might {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we might need to , uh , {vocalsound} get some more disk pretty soon .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna be a subject ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I be pretty good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "We 're about {disfmarker} we 're about half {disfmarker} halfway through our disk right now .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That was one of our concerns .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Are we only half ? I thought we were more than that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We 're probably a little more than that because we 're using up some space that we shouldn't be on . So , once everything gets converted over to the disks we 're supposed to be using we 'll be probably , uh , seventy - five percent .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , when I was looking for space for Thilo , I found one disk that had , uh , I think it was nine gigs and another one had seventeen .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And everything else was sorta committed . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Were those backed - up or non - backed - up ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Those were non - backed - up .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Non - back - up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So that 's different .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "S oh , you 're talking about backed - up .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm much more concerned about the backed - up . The non - backed - up ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I haven't looked to see how much of that we have .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , i is cheap . I mean , if we need to we can buy a disk , hang it off a s uh , workstation . If it 's not backed - up the sysadmins don't care too much .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I mean , pretty much anytime we need a disk , we can get it at the rate that we 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You can {disfmarker} I shouldn't be saying this , but , you can just {disfmarker} you know , since the back - ups are every night , you can recycle the backed - up diskspace .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} {pause} that 's risky .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You really shouldn't be saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I didn't say that .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I didn't say that .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Beep that out .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Da - we had allowed Dave to listen to these {disfmarker} {vocalsound} these , {vocalsound} uh , recordings .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , I me and there 's been this conversation going on about getting another file server , and {disfmarker} and {vocalsound} we can do that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "We 'll take the opportunity and get another big raft of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of disk , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's really the back - up issue rather than the file server issue .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think {disfmarker} {comment} I think there 's an argument for having {disfmarker} you know , you could use our old file server for {disfmarker} for disks that have data that {pause} is very rarely accessed , and then have a fast new file server for data that is , um , heavily accessed .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . My understanding is , the issue isn't really the file server .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "We could always put more disks on .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's the back it 's the back - up capaci",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It 's the back - up system .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} which is near saturation , apparently . So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} I think the file server could become an issue as we get a whole bunch more new compute machines .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Soon .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And we 've got , you know , fifty machines trying to access data off of Abbott at once .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 're alright for now because the network 's so slow .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think {disfmarker} I think we 've raised this before and someone said this is not a reliable way to do it , but the {disfmarker} What about putting the stuff on , like , C - CD - ROM or DVD or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That was me . I was the one who said it was not reliable . The - they {disfmarker} they wear out .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} th",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But they wear out just from sitting on the shelf ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Or from being {pause} read and read ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No . Read and write don't hurt them too much unless you scratch them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But the r the write once , and the read - writes , don't last . So you don't wa you don't wanna put ir un reproduceable data {pause} on them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Wear out after what amount of time ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Year or two .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Would it be {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Year or two ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But if that {disfmarker} then you would think you 'd {pause} hear much more clamoring about data loss",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean , yeah , all the L",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know many people who do it on CD . I mean , they 're {disfmarker} the most {disfmarker} fo",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "LDC - all the LDC distributions are on CD - ROM .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They 're on CD , but they 're not {disfmarker} tha that 's not the only source .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They have them on disk . And they burn new ones every once in a while . But if you go {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you go k",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But we have like thirty {pause} you know , from {pause} ten years ago ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We have all sorts of CD - ROMs from a long time ago .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , th th OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Ten years ago .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Ninety - one , and they 're still all fine .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Were they burned or were they pressed ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , both . I 've burned them and they 're still OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the pressed ones last for",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , usually they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "well , not forever , they 've been finding even those degrade .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , the burned ones {disfmarker} I mean , when I say two or three years what I 'm saying is that I have had disks which are gone in a year .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "On the average , it 'll probably be three or four years . But , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you don't want to per p have your only copy on a media that fails .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "And they do . Um , if you have them professionally pressed , y you know , they 're good for decades .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So how about {disfmarker} ? So {disfmarker} so how about putting them on that plus , like on a {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on DAT or some other medium that isn't risky ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I think th um , we can already put them on tape . And the tape is hi is very reliable .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} the only issue is then {pause} if we need access to them . So that 's fine f if we don't need access to them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} if they last {disfmarker} Say , they actually last , like , five years , huh , in {disfmarker} in the typical case , and {disfmarker} and occasionally you might need to recreate one , and then you get your tape out , but otherwise you don't . Can't you just {disfmarker} you just put them on {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So you just archive it on the tape , and then put it on CD as well ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So you 're just saying put them on C Ds for normal access .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "What you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , you can do that but that 's pretty annoying , because the C Ds are so slow .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "See {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "What 'd be nice is a system that re - burned the C Ds every {vocalsound} year .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "H everytime it was a \" gonna \" {disfmarker} \" gonna die \" .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , the C Ds are {disfmarker} are an op",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's like {disfmarker} like dynamic ra DRAM .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Just before .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just before they be before it goes bad , it burns them in .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the CD is an alternative to tape .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "ICSI already has a perfectly good tape system and it 's more reliable .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You know {disfmarker} I would think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So for archiving , we 'll just use tape .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "One {disfmarker} one thing I don't understand is , if you have the data {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you if the meeting data is put on disk exactly once , then it 's backed - up once and the back - up system should never have to bother with it , uh , more than once .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , regardless {disfmarker} Well , first of all there was , um , a problem with the archive in that I was every once in a while doing a chmod on all the directories an or recursive chmod and chown , because {vocalsound} they weren't getting set correctly every once in a while ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and I was just , {vocalsound} doing a minus R star , {vocalsound} not realizing that that caused {pause} it to be re - backed - up .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But normally you 're correct . But even without that , the back - up system is becoming saturated .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but this back - up system is smart enough to figure out that something hasn't changed and doesn't need to be {pause} backed - up again .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "The b I think th the {disfmarker} at least the once tha that you put it on , it would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it would {comment} {vocalsound} kill that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sure , but we still have enough changed that the nightly back - ups are starting to take too long .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker} so then , if {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so then , let 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It has nothing to do with the meeting . It 's just the general ICSI back - up system is becoming saturated .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK . Right . So , what if we buy , uh {disfmarker} uh , what {disfmarker} what do they call these , um {pause} high density {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , why don't you have this {disfmarker} have a {disfmarker} this conversation with Dave Johnson tha rather than with me ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no . Because this is {pause} maybe something that we can do without involving Dave , and {disfmarker} and , putting more burden on him . How about we buy , uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh , one of these high density tape drives ? And we put the data actually on non - backed - up disks . And we do our own back - up once and for all {disfmarker} all , and then {disfmarker} and we don't have to bother this @ @ up ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Actually , you know , we could do that just with the tape {disfmarker} with the current tape .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I dunno what the these tapes {disfmarker} uh , at some point these {disfmarker} I dunno . What kind of tape drive is it ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I dunno but it 's an automatic robot so it 's very convenient .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Wh The o the one that we have ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You just run a program to restore them .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But it might interfere with their back - up schedule ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , we have s we {disfmarker} Don't we have our own ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "eh .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Something wi th that doesn't {disfmarker} that isn't used by the back - up gang ? Don't we have something downstairs ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "What kinda tape drive ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just in {disfmarker} ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} no , but Andreas 's point is a good one . And we don't have to do anything ourselves to do that . They 're already right now on tape .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right . So your {disfmarker} your point is , and I think it 's a good one , that we could just get more disk and put it there .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . On an XH {disfmarker} uh , X {disfmarker} X whatever partition .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's not a bad idea .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's basically what I was gonna say , is that a disk is {disfmarker} is so cheap it 's es essentially , you know , close to free . And the only thing that costs is the back - up {pause} issue , {vocalsound} eh , to first order .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So once it 's on tape {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "And we can take care of that by putting it on non - back {pause} up drives and just backing it up once onto this tape .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Good . It 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , who 's gonna do these back - ups ? The people that collect it ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh Well , I 'll talk to Dave , and {disfmarker} and see what th how {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} what the best way of doing that is .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's probably gonna n",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There 's a little utility that will manually burn a tape for you , and that 's probably the right way to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and we should probably make that part of the procedure for recording the meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , s",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's what I 'm wondering , if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {pause} we 're g we 're gonna automate that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "My intention is to {pause} do a script that 'll do everything .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you don't have to physically put a tape in the drive ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No . It 's all tape robot ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Or s ? s ? {comment} Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so you just sit down at your computer and you type a command .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just {disfmarker} Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but then you 're effectively using the resources of the back - up system . Or is that a different tape robot ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But not at the same time .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But y but you would be anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "He 's saying get a whole different drive .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no . See {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But there 's no reason to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just give a dedi",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} we already have it there and it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm saying is @ @ i if you go to Dave , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and ask him \" can I use your tape robot ? \" , he will say , \" well {pause} that 's gonna screw up our back - up operation . \"",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No , we won't . He 'll say \" if {disfmarker} if that means {pause} that it 's not gonna be backed - up standardly , great . \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "He - I {disfmarker} Dave has {disfmarker} has promoted this in the past . So I don't think he 's actually against it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's definitely no problem .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "What about if the times overlap with the normal back - up time ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , it 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} it 's just a utility which queues up . It just queues it up and {disfmarker} and when it 's available , it will copy it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And then you can tell it to then remove it from the disk or you can , you know , do it a a few days later or whatever you wanna do , after you confirm that it 's really backed - up .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "NW {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You saying NW archive ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "NW archive .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yep {comment} {vocalsound} And if you did that during the day it would never make it to the nightly back - ups .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's what it is .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And then there wouldn't be this extra load .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it {disfmarker} if he {disfmarker} you have to put the data on a {disfmarker} on a non - backed - up disk to begin with .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , but you can have it NW archive to {disfmarker} you can have , {vocalsound} uh , a non - backed - up disk NW archived ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} so that {disfmarker} otherwise you don't {disfmarker} you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and it 'll never show up on the nightly back - ups .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right . And then it never {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right . Which I 'm sure would make ever the sysadmins very happy .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So , I think that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "That 's what we should do .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So , that means we 'll probably wanna convert all {disfmarker} all those files {disfmarker} filesystems to non - backed - up media .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um , another , thing on the agenda said SRI recognition experiments ? What 's that ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "SRI recognition ? Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "That wasn't me .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um . well ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Who 's that ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "we have lots of them . Uh , I dunno . Chuck , do you have any {disfmarker} any updates ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "N I 'm successfully , uh , increasing the error rate . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Lift the Herve approach .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I mean I 'm just playing with , um , the number of Gaussians that we use in the {disfmarker} the recognizer , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , you have to sa you have to {pause} tell people that you 're {disfmarker} you 're doing {disfmarker} you 're trying the tandem features .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I 'm using tandem features .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh you are ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "A and I 'm still tinkering with the PLP features .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I got confused by the results . It sai because {disfmarker} uh , the {pause} meeting before , {vocalsound} you said \" OK , we got it down to where they 're {disfmarker} they 're within a tenth of a percent \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That was on males .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . That was {disfmarker} that was before I tried it on the females .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "See , women are nothi are , trouble .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It 's the women are the problem . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? As we all know . So .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , let 's just say that men are simple .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {comment} so , when {disfmarker} So I {disfmarker} I had {disfmarker} I ha",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "That was a quick response .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , we had reached the point where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I 'm well rehearsed .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "we had reached the point where , {comment} um , on the male portion of the {pause} development set , the , um {disfmarker} or one of the development sets , I should say {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , um {disfmarker} the male error rate with , uh , ICSI PLP features was pretty much identical with , uh , SRI features . which are {pause} MFCC . So , um , then I thought , \" Oh , great . I 'll j I 'll {disfmarker} just let 's make sure everything works on the females . \" And the error rate {disfmarker} you know , there was a three percent difference .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Is there less training data ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we don",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No , actually there 's more training data .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "This is on just digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hub - five .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh , Swi",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry . OK . This is on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This is Hub - five .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hub - five . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , and the test data is CallHome and Switchboard . So , uh {disfmarker} so then {pause} um {disfmarker} Oh , and plus the {disfmarker} the vocal tract {pause} length normalization didn't {disfmarker} actually made things worse . So something 's really seriously wrong . So {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Aha ! OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} but you see , now , between {disfmarker} between the males and the females , there 's certainly a much bigger difference in the scaling range , than there is , say , just within the males . And what you were using before was scaling factors that were just from the {disfmarker} the m the {pause} SRI front - end . And that worked {disfmarker} that worked fine .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's true . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but now you 're looking over a larger range and it may not be so fine .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} d so the one thing that I then tried was to put in the low - pass filter , which we have in the {disfmarker} So , most {disfmarker} most Hub - five systems actually band - limit the {disfmarker} uh , at about , uh , thirty - seven hundred , um , hertz .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Although , you know , normally , I mean , the channel goes to four {disfmarker} four thousand . Right ? So , um {disfmarker} And that actually helped , uh {disfmarker} uh , a little bit .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} and it didn't hurt on the males either . So , um {disfmarker} And I 'm now , uh , trying the {disfmarker} Oh , and suddenly , also the v the vocal tract length normalization only in the test se on the test data . So , you can do vocal tract length normalization on the test data only or on both the training and the test .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And you expect it to help a little bit if you do it only on the test , and s more if you do it on both training and test .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so the {disfmarker} It now helps , if you do it only on the test , and I 'm currently retraining another set of models where it 's both in the training and the test , and then we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll have , hopefully , even better results . So {disfmarker} But there 's {disfmarker} It looks like there will still be some difference , maybe between one and two percent , um , for the females .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so , um , you know , I 'm open to suggestions .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And it is true that the , uh {disfmarker} that the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , we are using the {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} it can't be just the VTL ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because if you don't do VTL in both systems , uh , you know , the {disfmarker} the females are considerably worse in the {disfmarker} with the PLP features .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} no . I {disfmarker} I remember that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's much worse . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So there must be some {disfmarker} something else going on .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , what 's the standard {disfmarker} ? Yeah , so I thought the performance was actually a little better on females than males .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I thought , too .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um , {pause} that {pause} ye {comment} overall , yes , but on this particular development test set , they 're actually a little worse . But that 's beside the point . We 're looking at the discrepancy between the SRI system and the SRI system when trained with ICSI features .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right . I 'm just wondering if that {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you have any indication of your standard features ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "What 's {disfmarker} Are the freq ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "you know , if that 's also different {pause} or in the same direction or not .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You 're {disfmarker} This is {disfmarker} lemme ask a q more basic que",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , is this , uh {disfmarker} uh , iterative , Baum - Welch training ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Or is it Viterbi training ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's Baum - Welch training .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Baum - Welch training . And how do you determine when to {disfmarker} to stop iterating ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Well , actually , we {disfmarker} we just basically do a s a fixed number of iterations .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in this case four . Um , which {disfmarker} Eh , we used to do only three , and then we found out we can squeeze {disfmarker} And it was basically , we 're s we 're keeping it on the safe side . But you 're d Right . It might be that one more iteration {vocalsound} would {disfmarker} would help , but it 's sort of",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe {disfmarker} or maybe you 're doing one too many .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , but with Baum - Welch , there shouldn't be an over - fitting issue , really .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {comment} Well , there can be . Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , you can try each one on a cross - validation set ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "It d if you {disfmarker} if you remember some years ago Bill Byrne did a thing where he was {disfmarker} he was looking at that ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "can't you ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and he showed that you could get it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So . But {disfmarker} {comment} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . We can {disfmarker} Well , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the easy one to check ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because we save all the intermediate models",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Do you {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "And in each case , ho",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "um , I 'm sorry {disfmarker} in each case how do you determine , you know , the {disfmarker} the usual {pause} fudge factors ? The , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , uh , language , uh , scaling , acoustic scaling , uh , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} I uh {disfmarker} {comment} I 'm actually re - optimizing them . Although that hasn't shown to make {pause} a big difference .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK . And the pru the question he was asking at one point about pruning , uh {disfmarker} Remember that one ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Pruning {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Well , he was {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} it looked like the probabil at one point he was looking at the probabilities he was getting out {disfmarker} at the likelihoods he was getting out of PLP versus mel cepstrum , and they looked pretty different ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Pruning in the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the likelihoods were {pause} lower for the PLP .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "as I recall .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And so , uh , there 's the question {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I you mean {disfmarker} did you see this in the SRI system ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Was just looking through the log files ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , the likelihoods are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You can't directly compare them , because , for every set of models you compute a new normalization . And so these log probabilities , they aren't directly comparable",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because you have a different normalization constants for each model you train .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But , still it 's a question {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "if you have some threshold somewhere in terms of beam search or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . That 's what I was wondering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "W yeah . I mean {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you have one threshold that works well because the range of your likelihoods is in this area {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We prune very conservatively . I mean , as we saw with the meeting data , um {pause} we could probably tighten the pruning without really {disfmarker} So we we basically we have a very open beam .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But , you 're only talking about a percent or two .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Here we 're - we 're saying that we there {disfmarker} gee , there 's this b eh , there 's this difference here . And {pause} it {disfmarker} See cuz , i i {comment} there could be lots of things . Right ? But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , um , let 's suppose just for a second that , uh , we 've sort of taken out a lot of the {disfmarker} the major differences , uh , between the two .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Course . Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we 're already sort of using the mel scale and we 're using the same style filter integration , and {vocalsound} and , well , we 're making sure that low and high {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , there is {disfmarker} the difference in that . So , for the PLP features we use the triangular filter shapes . And for the {disfmarker} in the SRI front - end we use the trapezoidal one .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "And what 's the top frequency of each ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , now it 's the same . It 's thirty {disfmarker} thirty to seven hundred and sixty hertz .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exp - one 's triangular , one 's trapezoidal . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Before we {disfmarker} i i th with straight PLP , it 's trapezoidal also .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But then we had a slight difference in the {disfmarker} in the scale . Uh , so .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Since currently the Feacalc program doesn't allow me to change {pause} the filter shape independently of the scale .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , I did the experiment on the SRI front - end where I tried the {disfmarker} y where the standard used to be to use trapezoidal filters . You can actually continuously vary it between the two . And so I wen I swi I tried the trap eh , triangular ones . And it did slightly worse , but it 's really a small difference .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Coup - Couple tenths of a percent or something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not just losing some {vocalsound} frequency range .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . So , it 's not {disfmarker} I don't think the filter shape by itself will make a huge {comment} difference .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . So the oth {vocalsound} the other thing that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , f i We 've always viewed it , anyway , as the major difference between the two , is actually in the smoothing , that the {disfmarker} that the , um , {vocalsound} PLP , and {disfmarker} and the reason PLP has been advantageous in , uh , slightly noisy situations is because , {vocalsound} PLP does the smoothing at the end by an auto - regressive model ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and mel cepstrum does it by just computing the lower cepstral coefficients .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Um . So , um {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {pause} one thing I haven't done yet is to actually do all of this with a much larger {disfmarker} with our full training set . So right now , we 're using a {disfmarker} I don't know , forty ? I i it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} eh {comment} it 's a f training set that 's about , um , you know , by a factor of four smaller than what we use when we train the full system . So , some of these smoothing issues are over - fitting for that matter .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And the Baum - Welch should be much less of a factor , if you go full {disfmarker} whole hog .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Could be . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so , w so , just um {disfmarker} so the strategy is to first sort of treat things {pause} with fast turn - around on a smaller training set and then , {vocalsound} when you 've sort of , narrowed it down , you try it on a larger training set .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so , we haven't done that yet .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Now the other que related question , though , is {disfmarker} is , {vocalsound} uh , what 's the boot models for these things ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Th - th the boot models are trained from scratch . So we compute , um {disfmarker} So , we start with a , um , alil alignment that we computed with the b sort of the best system we have . And {disfmarker} and then we train from scratch . So we com we do a , you know , w um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We collect the {disfmarker} uh , the observations from those alignments under each of the feature sets that {disfmarker} that we {pause} train . And then , from there we do , um {disfmarker} There 's a lot of , actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The way it works , you first train a phonetically - tied mixture model . Um . You do a total of {disfmarker} First you do a context - independent PTM model . Then you switch to a context {disfmarker} You do two iterations of that . Then you do two iterations of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of context - dependent phonetically - tied mixtures . And then from that you {disfmarker} you do the {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you go to a state - clustered model ,",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and you do four iterations of that . So there 's a lot of iterations overall between your original boot models and the final models . I don't think that {disfmarker} Hmm . We have never seen big differences . Once I thought \" oh , I can {disfmarker} Now I have these much better models . I 'll re - generate my initial alignments . Then I 'll get much better models at the end . \" Made no difference whatsoever . It 's {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} eh , i",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , mis for making things better .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "the boot models are recur",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , this for making things worse . This it migh Th - the thought is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is possible {disfmarker} another possible {pause} partial cause is if the boot models {vocalsound} used a comple used a different feature set , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . But there are no boot models , in fact . You {disfmarker} you 're not booting from initial models . You 're booting from initial alignments .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Which you got from a different feature set .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's correct .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So , those features look at the data differently , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you know , they {disfmarker} they will find boundaries a little differently , though {disfmarker} You know , all th all that sort of thing is actually slightly different . I 'd expect it to be a minor effect ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , what I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm saying is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , we e w f w For a long time we had used boot alignments that had been trained with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with the same front - end but with acoustic models that were , like , fifteen percent worse than what we use now .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And with a dict different dictionary {disfmarker} with a considerably different dictionary , which was much less detailed and much less well - suited .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so , {vocalsound} then we switched to new boot alignments , which {disfmarker} which now had the benefit of all these improvements that we 've made over two years in the system .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , the result in the end was no different .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , what I 'm saying is , the exact nature of these boot alignments is probably not {pause} a big factor in the quality of the final models .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe not . But {pause} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I st still see it as {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} there 's {disfmarker} there 's a history to this , too ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "but I {disfmarker} uh , I don't wanna go into ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I th I think it could be the things {pause} that it {disfmarker} the data is being viewed in a certain way , uh , that a beginning is here rather than there and so forth ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "because the actual signal - processing you 're doing is slightly different .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} that 's probably not it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Anyway , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I should really reserve , uh , any conclusions until we 've done it on the large training set , um , and until we 've seen the results with the {disfmarker} with the VTL in training .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . At some point you also might wanna take the same thing and try it on , uh , some Broadcast News data or something else that actually has {disfmarker} has some noisy {disfmarker} {vocalsound} noisy components , so we can see if any conclusions we come to holds {vocalsound} across {pause} different data .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , with this , I have to leave .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So , is there something quick about Absinthe {pause} that you {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "With this said .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Just what we were talking about before , which is that I ported a Blass library to Absinthe , and then got {disfmarker} got it working with fast - forward , and got {vocalsound} {vocalsound} a speedup roughly proportional to the number of processors times the clock cycle .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's pretty good .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Um , I 'm in the process of doing it for Quicknet , but there 's something going wrong and it 's about half the speed that I was estimating it should be , and I 'm not sure why .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "But I 'll keep working on it . But the {disfmarker} what it means is that it 's likely that for net training and forward passes , we 'll {disfmarker} Absinthe will be a good machine . Especially if we get a few more processors and upgrade the processors .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "A few more processors ? How many are you shooting for ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "There 're five now . It can hold eight .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 'll just go buy them , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And it 's also five - fifty megahertz and you can get a gigahertz .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Can you mix {pause} t uh , processors of different speed ?",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so . I think we 'd have to do all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Probably just throw away the old ones , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Thank you {pause} for the box ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'll just go buy their process .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can stick them in another system . I dunno .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "We 'd have to get a {disfmarker} almost certainly have to get a , uh , Netfinity server .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "They 're pretty {disfmarker} pretty specialized .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD I"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is Liz coming back , do you know , or {disfmarker} ? I dunno . Yeah . Oh , you don't . OK . Alright . Alright . See you . Um . Alright . So {disfmarker} Uh , they 're having tea out there . So I guess the other thing that we were gonna talk about is {disfmarker} is , uh , demo . And , um , so , these are the demos for the {pause} uh , July , uh , meeting {pause} and , um {disfmarker} DARPA mee",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "July what ? Early July ? Late July ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I think it 's July fifteenth .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sixteen to eighteen , I think .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Is that it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Roughly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sixteenth , eighteenth . Yeah . So , we talked about getting something together for that , but maybe , uh {disfmarker} maybe we 'll just put that off for now , given that {disfmarker} But I think maybe we should have a {disfmarker} a sub - meeting , I think , uh , probably , uh , Adam and {disfmarker} and , uh , Chuck and me should talk about {disfmarker} should get together and talk about that sometime soon .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Over a cappuccino tomorrow ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {comment} something like that . Um , uh , you know , maybe {disfmarker} maybe we 'll involve Dan Ellis at some {disfmarker} some level as well .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um . OK . The {disfmarker} the tea is {disfmarker} is going , so , uh , I suggest we do , uh {disfmarker} uh , a unison .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "A unison digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Gets our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Which is gonna be a little hard for a couple people because we have different digits forms .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We have a {disfmarker} I found a couple of old ones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 'll be interesting . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Have you done digits before ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I haven't done it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , uh , the idea is just to read each line {pause} with a short pause between lines ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "not between {disfmarker} And , uh , since we 're in a hurry , we were just gonna read everyone all at once . So , if you sorta plug your ears and read {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So first read the transcript number , and then start reading the {pause} digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK ? One , two , three .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK we 're done .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
}
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"2",
"53"
]
],
"topic": "Transcription status and edits"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"54",
"260"
]
],
"topic": "DARPA demos and GUI"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"261",
"395"
]
],
"topic": "XML tools and meeting data quality"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"396",
"648"
]
],
"topic": "Backups and collecting notes with meetings"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The meeting discussed the progress of the transcription, the DARPA demos, tools to ensure meeting data quality, data standardization, backup tools, and collecting tangential meeting information. The team was making good progress on the transcription but was still concerned with correcting some of the data. Besides that, they were working on adapting the THISL GUI for their project and figuring out visual tools for meeting participants to help them know when their recording equipment was failing. The team also discussed collecting additional information, like laughter and breath data as well as meeting notes.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team had started moving to XML as their general format to standardize their data. Though, there is still concern about the limitations of XML. The participants noted that sometimes the mic of one subject catches sound from another. They also discussed implementing tools to help participants know when the quality of their audio is bad.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on XML tools and meeting data quality",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"262",
"395"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team agreed that it was important to keep good backups. Their main concern was the time difference between getting more disks and recording new meetings. They did not want to rely on burning CD's at all because of potential loss of data. They also started discussing whether it would be a good idea to collect meeting notes from the participants as well, but that would entail installing new infrastructure.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on backups and collecting notes with meetings",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"397",
"648"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad H brought up that they were standardizing the data in XML, though Grad H was not satisfied with the current data format. Grad H was also building tools to extract information from XML's in various languages, mainly Java and Perl.",
"query": "What did Grad H think about using XML tools?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"262",
"274"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad G thought that it would be important to collect seat information in the key files to know where someone was sitting. This would be useful when people had to be bleeped out upon being heard in someone else's microphone. Grad G wanted to figure out what seating arrangements led to other participants' voices showing up in the microphone.",
"query": "What did Grad G think about meeting data quality?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"275",
"303"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad G thought that it would be helpful to let the participants conveniently bleep things out during the meeting. While synchronizing bleeps from during the meeting would require some infrastructure, a faster version could be set up. Though, G did think that the synchronization infrastructure would be a useful addition.",
"query": "What did grad G think about collecting notes and related data with meetings?",
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"493",
"570"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The postdoc thought that it was a good idea to collect digital notes during the meeting in principle, but was concerned about the noise it would add to the mic. Postdoc thought that notes could even be taken after the meeting, by transcribers. All in all, he thought notes were useful for generating summaries.",
"query": "What did the Postdoc think about collecting notes with meetings?",
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so . If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} the next {disfmarker} next occupants were pushing for it , so . Um . So . Agenda is {disfmarker} according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Seven ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Seve - several , several .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking . I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I g",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Certainly . Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . No change .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Just {disfmarker} So , \" transcripts \" is the sub - directory ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Um and then just {disfmarker} we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK , wh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I also got anot a short remark to the transcription . I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well the second one of those",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . It 's already at IBM ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "is already at IBM .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but the other ones {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's the one that {pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "These are separate from the ones that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "As soon as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , these are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "They 're the IBM set .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's this one .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is my mike on ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and let them work on that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yes , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK , good .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "especially for the information retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hm - mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right , which uh {disfmarker} So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are {disfmarker} there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool . And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats . And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working . So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do {disfmarker} type in a {disfmarker} a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what kind of uh {disfmarker} what does that look like ? The string that you type in .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh of hits .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "What are you {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} are they keywords , or are they {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Keywords .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And so {disfmarker} and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written . Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at . Dan says it 's pretty good",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but it does mean you need to be running a web server .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so it {disfmarker} it 's pretty big and complex . Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which I think looks great . I think that 's a nice demo . Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows . And so I think that 's the way we should go .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the {disfmarker} the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "You can find a searched string and play . So e Are you {disfmarker} So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they {pause} uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based {disfmarker} So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that . So it {disfmarker} it 's",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So i it uses {disfmarker} So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't {disfmarker} you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents . Cuz you can imagine if {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do {disfmarker} wouldn't wanna do a search .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hm - mmm . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Um you have to do preindexing and so that {disfmarker} these tools do all that . And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So what does the user see as the result of the query ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "On which tool ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "THISL .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them . Click on them rather {comment} with a mouse .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So if you typed in \" small heads \" or something you could",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right , you 'd get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "get back a uh uh {comment} something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "something {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you 'd get to listen to \" beep \" .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "or some",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That was a really good look . It 's too bad that that couldn't {vocalsound} come into the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You couldn't get a video .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Guess who I practice on ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And then again , maybe not . So , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable . Yeah , it loo it {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my recollection of it is it 's {disfmarker} it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that sounds good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "That sounds really neat .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff . Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it . And it {disfmarker} it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working . So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's {disfmarker} um , I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But you were saying that {disfmarker} that the uh {disfmarker} that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . It certainly helps .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But what those {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so that the normal UNIX function calls all work .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And you have to have all the o",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um , But the problem is that {disfmarker} that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on . So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "How about having it run under free BSD ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well what you need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Free BSD would probably be easier .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "All you need to do is say to Dan \" gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf \" and it 'll be done in a day .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Actually you know I should check because he did port it to SPRACHcore",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so he might have done that already .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wouldn't be surprised .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'll check at that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But it would {disfmarker} what would serve {disfmarker} would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How does it play ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I hope he never listens to these meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It 's amazing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Blanking on his name .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Tony Robinson ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Tony Robinson ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Do I mean Tony ? I guess I do .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "James Christie .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or S or Steve Renals .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Steve Renal - Steve Renals .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Which one do I mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Steve Renals is not SoftSound , is he ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "My brain is not working ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then it 's Steve Renals .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So uh just getting documentation and uh and f and formats ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so that 's all going pretty well ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Assuming we 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think we 'll be OK with that . Um we have {disfmarker} Well , that 's a good point too .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a crazy idea {pause} actually .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Why don't you try and merge {pause} Transcriber {pause} and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well this is one of the reasons {disfmarker} This is the {disfmarker} one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart {disfmarker} Gelbart {disfmarker} Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And then you get {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} then you get the Windows media playing for free .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well that 's Snack , not {disfmarker} not Transcriber .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can {disfmarker} but you can use a {disfmarker} a lot of the same functionality and it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , I mean , I {disfmarker} I think THISL {disfmarker} THISL GUI probably uses Snack . And so my intention was just to base it on that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well my thought was is that it would be nice {disfmarker} it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And if it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Do you have {disfmarker} you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well that {disfmarker} eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it . Or whatever .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in {comment} the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on . We {disfmarker} we can look into it ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean we have to {disfmarker} I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system . Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it {disfmarker} it looks like a BSD system .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the \" include \" files are a little different and the function calls are a little different .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the {disfmarker} the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but {disfmarker} but um , uh {disfmarker} and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech {comment} stuff that Thilo has done {pause} s {pause} looks like .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "ranked .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh {vocalsound} work that Don 's been doing .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries . Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing . It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well I think at {disfmarker} at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if that would be of interest or not .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "pointing at something I don't know much about ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you 're looking at this now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Are you looking at Waves or Matlab ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah I 'm starting to and um {disfmarker} Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah def",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and then that 'll give us a week or so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ooo . The end of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , the end of this month or next month ? Oh , you mean like today ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This month .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ju",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "June . June . June .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Next month .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , next month .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Today isn't June first ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "There 's another one .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "is it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} that 'll {disfmarker} that 'll give us {disfmarker} that 'll give us a week or so to uh {disfmarker} to port things over to my laptop and make sure that works ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think , I mean eh where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean I 'll be here .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk to whoever 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our {disfmarker} you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doing",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and so either {disfmarker} it might not be integrated but it {disfmarker} it could potentially be in it .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , this is to an audience of researchers",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Could find some .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's different .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good . Done with that . XML tools ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools where you {disfmarker} we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything and I think that 's definitely the right way to go because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools . Um . So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML because I 'm not particularly happy with what we have now . I mean it works with Transcriber but it {disfmarker} it 's a pain to use it in other tools uh because it doesn't mark start and end .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Start and end of each {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Utterance .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Utterance . Just marks {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's implicit in {disfmarker} in there",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but you have to do a lot of processing to get it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so {disfmarker} and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business . Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later . Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing {disfmarker} extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on users because the user database is that way {disfmarker} I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then also the transcripts . And so l just let me know there {disfmarker} it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if {disfmarker} if that 's desirable .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , quick question on that . Is {disfmarker} do we have the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the seat information ? In {disfmarker} in the Key files now ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh in {disfmarker} For the new one",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "it 's been recorded ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Seat ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Great . Sea - yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} where you 're sitting .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Not {disfmarker} not the quality or anything . No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "n",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" It 's pretty soft and squishy . \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , but that might just be me . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's more seat information than we wanted .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Never mind .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , when Morgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should bleep that out .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "how {disfmarker} how w eh where is it in the Key file ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . The square bracket .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I mean I haven't been putting it in and {disfmarker} in by {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "You haven't been putting it in .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well bu",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I have not .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Isn't it always on the digits ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Some of these are missing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Isn't it always on the digits forms ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Some fall out of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well it",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so we can go back and fill them in for the ones we have .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ooo .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean they 're on th right , these , but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I never {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I don't think Chuck was either",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I never knew we were supposed to put it in the Key file .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I had told you guys about it",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh really ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so we 're both sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean this is why I wanna use a g a tool to do it rather than the plain text",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So . Um if you use the Edit - key , or Key - edit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Edit - key .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's Edit - key , {comment} command {disfmarker} Did I show you guys that ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You mentioned it ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I did show it to you ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but I think you both said \" no , you 'll just use text file \" .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Text .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and so if you don't fill it in , you 're not gonna get it in the meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker} Right . Well I {disfmarker} I just realized I hadn't been doing it",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and probably {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "u",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and then the other thing also that Thilo noticed is , on the microphone , on channel zero it says hand - held mike or Crown mike ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "you actually have to say which one .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I know {disfmarker} Yeah , I usually delete the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK . I didn't do that either .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "maybe I forgot to d",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Takes me no time at all to edit these .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it 's almost {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's cuz you kn",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not doing anything .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I know why .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And I was {disfmarker} I was looking at Chuck 's , like , \" oh what did Chuck do , OK I 'll do that \" . So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And then uh also in a couple of places instead of filling the participants under \" participants \" they were filled in under \" description \" .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And so that 's also a problem . So anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "We will do better .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's it . Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool , the {disfmarker} the one that shows up here , {comment} that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected . And it 's not quite ready to go yet because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not because the best quality ones , the Crown ones , {comment} are about the same level if they 're off and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um these {disfmarker} these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference . So I 'm working on that and it {disfmarker} it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But with the screensaver kicking in , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "y yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Oops . Speaking of which .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on the thing . There 's a little level meter but of course no one ever pays attention to it . So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "It would be nice if {disfmarker} if these had little light indicators , little L E Ds for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh buzzer .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a buzzer .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "\" Bamp , bamp ! \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Small shocks",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "administered to the {disfmarker} OK . Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK , disk backup , et cetera ? Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup and he pretty much said \" yeah , you could do that if you want \" but he thought it was a bad idea . In fact what he said is doing the manual one , {comment} doing uh NW archive to copy it {comment} is a good idea and we should do that and have it backed up . He w he 's a firm believer in {disfmarker} in lots of different modalities of backup . I mean , his point was well taken . This data cannot be recovered .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna {disfmarker} if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just the monthly full .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But he said that {disfmarker} that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that , that we 're getting a new backup system and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Things that are recreatable easily and also {disfmarker} Yeah , basically things that are recreatable .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The expanded files and things like that .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "They take up a lot more room anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh but we do need more disk .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So we can get more disk . Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And I {disfmarker} I think I agree with him . I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't think there was any other et cetera there .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um unfortunately {disfmarker} we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it and that 's a multi - step procedure . And second of all the {disfmarker} the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I think burning them for distribution is fine but burning them for backup is not a good idea .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz th they {disfmarker} they fail after a couple years .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I do have uh uh {disfmarker} It 's a different topic . Can I add one top topic ? We have time ? I wanted to ask , I know that uh that Thilo you were , um , bringing the Channeltrans interface onto the Windows machine ? And I wanted to know is th",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Basically it 's done ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful . Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it {disfmarker} Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version but it 's solved .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Does {disfmarker} and that {disfmarker} does that mean , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "maybe I should know this but I don't . Does this mean that the {disfmarker} that this could be por uh ported to a Think - Pad note or some other type of uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , basically uh I did install it on my laptop and yeah",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "it worked .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ! Good . CrossPads ? CrossPads ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh got an email from uh James Landay who basically said \" if you 're not using them , could you return them ? \" So he said he doesn't need them , he just periodically w at the end of each term sends out email to everyone who was recorded as having them and asks them if they 're still using them .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "So we 've never used them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We used them once .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Once ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we used them a couple times ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Couple times .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Them ? There 's more than one ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we have two . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "My opinion on it is , first , I never take notes anyway so I 'm not gonna use it , um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And I have {disfmarker} uh so my {disfmarker} my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea , and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes . On the other hand , I {disfmarker} the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy . So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk . And I {disfmarker} and I don't know if it 's audible on the {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I sort of thought that was a disadvantage . I do take notes , I mean , I could be taking notes on these things and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings but {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , what is a CrossPad ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's um {disfmarker} it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And so you have time and position stuff stored",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so that you can {disfmarker} you have a record of whatever it is you 've written .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then you can download it and they have OCR and searching and all sorts of things .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So i if you take notes it 's a great little device .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Could {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But I don't take notes ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in {disfmarker} in higher - level things ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "not just the , you know , microphone stuff but also summarization and so forth and the question is if you were going to go to some gold standard of what wa what was it that happened in the meeting you know , where would it come from ? And um I think that was one of the things ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "right ? And so the {disfmarker} it seemed like a neat idea . We 'll have a {disfmarker} you know , have a scribe , have somebody uh take good notes and then that 's part of the record of the meeting . And then we did it once or twice and we sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep , and then just sort of died out .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "probably chose the wrong scribe but it was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well I did it one time",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "u but I guess the {disfmarker} the other thing I 'm thinking is if we wanted that kind of thing I wonder if we 'd lose that much by having someone be a scribe by listening to the tape , to the recording afterwards and taking notes in some other interface .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean we 're transcribing it anyways , why do we need notes ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh it 's la it 's useful ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Because that 's summary .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "have a summary and high points .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Summary .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} there 's also {disfmarker} there 's this use that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Summarize it from the transcription .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} Well , what if you 're sitting there and you just wanna make an X and you don't wanna take notes and you 're {disfmarker} you just wanna",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Doodle .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "get the summary of the transcript from this time location like {disfmarker} you know , and {disfmarker} and then while you 're bored you don't do anything and once in a while , maybe there 's a joke and you put a X and {disfmarker} {comment} But {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in other words you can use that just to highlight times in a very simple way . Also with {disfmarker} I was thinking and I know Morgan disagrees with me on this but suppose you have a group in here and you wanna let them note whenever they think there might be something later that they might not wanna distribute in terms of content , they could just sort of make an X near that point or a question mark that sort of alerts them that when they get the transcript back they c could get some red flags in that transcript region and they can then look at it . So . I know we haven't been using it but I w I can imagine it being useful just for sort of marking time periods",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "which you then get back in a transcript",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I guess {disfmarker} so , you know , what {disfmarker} what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some {disfmarker} there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important . But {disfmarker} then you don't {disfmarker} you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean that was one of the issues we talked about originally and that that 's w part of the difficulty is that we need an infrastructure for using the time {disfmarker} the CrossPads and so that means synchronizing the time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "You know you want it pretty close and there 's a fair amount of skew because it 's a hand - held unit with a battery",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well when {disfmarker} when I d",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and so you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "so you have to synchronize at the beginning of each meeting all the pads that are being used , so that it 's synchronized with the time on that and then you have to download to an application , and then you have to figure out what the data formats are and convert it over if you wanna do anything with this information .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "w Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Why {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "There is an alternative .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "unless someone {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "There is an alternative , I mean , it 's still , there 's uh {disfmarker} you know , your point stands about there be {disfmarker} needing to be an infrastructure , but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it . You c I mean , I {disfmarker} when I {disfmarker} when I did it I synchronized it by voice , by whispering \" one , two , three , four \" onto the microphone",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and uh , you know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's transcribed . It 's in the transcript .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then mark it .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "Well it 's in the transcript .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , could we keep one of these things for another year ? Would h I mean is there a big cau",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We can keep all {disfmarker} both of them for the whole whole year .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "just {disfmarker} just in case we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do but I {disfmarker} it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure but we could at least try it out .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else , we {disfmarker} we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task . I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh part of the reason {disfmarker} I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "and so forth so and {disfmarker} and Jane is more into it but eh uh you know I don't know if you wanna really do {disfmarker} do this all the time so I think the thing is to {disfmarker} to get someone to actually buy into it and have at least some series of meetings where we do it . Um {disfmarker} and if so , it 's probably worth having one . The p the {disfmarker} the problem with the {disfmarker} the more extended view , all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it , I mean it just hasn't happened anyway . But maybe if we can get a person to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting but it might be a useful , neat part of the project that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time that happen that you just wanna make a note of , like what Jane was talking about with some later browsing , just {disfmarker} just as a convenience , even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card . And {disfmarker} and that way you can synchronize very easily with the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the meeting because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the {disfmarker} the Linux server and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what kind of input would you be {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} so , I mean , if you 're not worried about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Buttons .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "You 'd just be pressing like a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} well you have a PDA and may and you could have the same sort of X interface or whatever , I mean , you 'd have to do a little eh a little bit of coding to do it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But you could imagine ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that be good .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if {disfmarker} if all you really wanted was {disfmarker} you didn't want this secondary note - taking channel but just sort of being able to use m markers of some sort , a PDA with a l a wireless card would be the {disfmarker} probably the right way to go . I mean even buttons you could do , sort of , I mean , as you said .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "M right .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That would be fine too .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "right ? You have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I don't have , you know , grandiose ideas in mind but I 'm just sort of thinking well we 've {disfmarker} we 're getting into the next year now and we have a lot of these things worked out at {disfmarker} in terms of the speech maybe somebody will be interested in this and {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I like this PDA idea . Yeah .",
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{
"content": "Yeah , I do like the idea of having a couple buttons",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Well I 'm sure there would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Or like this is my \" I 'm supposed to do this \" kind of button ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"content": "like \" I better remember to {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Action item .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Yeah something like that or {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "I mean I think the CrossPad idea is a good one .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "It 's just a question of getting people to use it and getting the infrastructure set up in such a way that it 's not a lot of extra work . I mean that 's part of the reason why it hasn't happened is that it 's been a lot of extra work for me",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , and not just for you .",
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"content": "But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,",
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"content": "doesn't it ? I mean {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard .",
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{
"content": "But I mean , say , if i if {disfmarker} if you 're writing {disfmarker} if you 're writing notes in it does {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it can't do handwriting recognition , right ?",
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"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "it 's all digital .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "I {disfmarker} I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a {disfmarker} to a {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
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"content": "Right . You don't have to {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "The transfer function is less errorful ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Oh , nicely put .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Well it also {disfmarker} it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually , right ? That 's why we have this little {disfmarker} I don't know what {disfmarker} I don't wanna cause more work for anyone but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it and so if we don't have to return it and we can keep it for a year {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} w we don't {disfmarker} we certainly don't have to return it , as I said . All {disfmarker} all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it . The point is that we haven't used it at all and are we going to ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "So we have no but {disfmarker} uh by I {disfmarker} I would suggest you return one . Because we {disfmarker} we you know , we {disfmarker} we haven't used it at all .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "We c",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "We have some aspirations of using them",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "One would probably be fine .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Maybe we could do like a student project , you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when somebody laughed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "although there is a little {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Well , I 'm {disfmarker} yeah , that 's not a bad {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah .",
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"content": "Jeremy 's gonna be an {disfmarker} he 's a new student starting on modeling brea breath and laughter , actually , which sounds funny but I think it should be cool ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Sounds breathy to me .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK . \" Ha - ha - ha . \"",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Breath and lau \" ha - ha - ha - ha \" . \" Ha - ha - ha - ha . \"",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Well dear .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "That reminded me of something . Oh well , too late . It slipped out .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "You 're {disfmarker} you 're gonna tease me ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Oh , equipment .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Ordered {disfmarker} Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that . W uh {disfmarker} {comment} We ordered uh more wireless , and so they should be coming in at some point .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "You know what he means but isn't that funny sounding ? \" We ordered more wireless . \" It 's like wires are the things so you 're wiring {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we ordered more absence of the thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan .",
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"content": "wired less , wired more .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "I just {disfmarker} it 's sort of a anachronism , I mean it 's like {disfmarker} It 's great .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Should we do digits ? Do we have anything else ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "OK .",
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"content": "I mean there 's {disfmarker} there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um {disfmarker} recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's {disfmarker} it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now . Uh why don't we start with our {disfmarker} our esteemed guest .",
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"content": "OK . Alright .",
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"content": "So just the transcript number and then the {disfmarker} then the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} Yes , this is number two for me today .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "We could do simultaneous . Initiate him .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we could .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Should we do simultaneous ?",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Well , I 'm just thinking , are you gonna try to save the data before this next group comes in ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
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{
"content": "Yeah , absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "Yeah , so we might wanna do it simultaneous .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "I mean you hav sorta have to .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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"content": "Well OK , so let 's do one of those simultaneous ones .",
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"content": "Right , so {disfmarker} so we might n we might need to do that actually .",
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"content": "That sounds good .",
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Everybody ready ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
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{
"content": "A one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "You have to plug your ears , by the way uh Eric ,",
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{
"content": "Well I have to ,",
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"content": "You don't have to .",
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"content": "OK , alright .",
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"answer": "The meeting was mostly about the logistics of covering the legal bases around releasing meeting data. The team wanted to make sure that meeting participants would not sue for libel or releasing unwanted information. The team also went over the transcriptions that IBM had done as well as storage space, which was finally looking up. The meeting ended with a general discussion about the progress of the group and future directions.",
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"answer": "The team decided to release their data on July 15th, but they still wanted to give people time to bleep things from the transcripts. There was skepticism that they could actually reach out to people and get everyone's consent that they were okay with whatever was being released.",
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"answer": "The team thought that people would not respond to their emails, which would be compounded by them being out of town over the summer. Based on knowledge about similar data collection, they thought that emails should be enough, but skepticism about getting consent with emails prevailed.",
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "Adam , what is the mike that , uh , Jeremy 's wearing ? ",
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{
"content": "It 's the ear - plug mike .",
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"content": "Ear - plug .",
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"content": "That 's good .",
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"content": "Is that a wireless , or {disfmarker} ? Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "No .",
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"content": "It 's wired .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Is that {disfmarker} Does that mean you can't hear anything during the meeting ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"content": "It 's old - school .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
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{
"content": "Huh ? What ? Huh ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Should we , uh , close the door , maybe ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "It {disfmarker} it 's a fairly good mike , actually .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike . All I really know is that the signal level is OK . I don't know if it 's a {disfmarker} the quality .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Well , that 's a",
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"content": "Ugh ! So I didn't send out agenda items because until five minutes ago we only had one agenda item and now we have two . So . {vocalsound} And , uh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "OK . So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said last week , it was there 's this suggestion of alternating weeks on {vocalsound} more , uh , automatic speech recognition related or not ? Was that sort of {pause} the division ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "Right .",
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"content": "So which week are we in ?",
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"content": "Well {disfmarker} We haven't really started , but I thought we more {disfmarker} we more or less did Meeting Recorder stuff last week , so I thought we could do , uh {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I thought we had a thing about speech recognition last week too .",
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"content": "Yeah .",
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"content": "But I figure also if they 're short agenda items , we could also do a little bit of each .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So . I seem to be having difficulty getting this adjusted . Here we go .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "OK .",
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"content": "So , uh , as most of you should know , I did send out the consent form thingies and , uh , so far no one has made any {disfmarker} Ach ! {comment} {comment} any comments on them . So , no on no one has bleeped out anything .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "So . I don't expect anyone to . But .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Um . {vocalsound} So , w what follows ? At some point y you go around and get people to sign something ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "No . We had spoken w about this before",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but I 've forgotten .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "and we had decided that they have {disfmarker} they only needed to sign once . And the agreement that they already signed simply said that we would give them an opportunity . So as long as we do that , we 're covered .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And how long of an opportunity did you tell them ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , July fifteenth .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "July fifteenth . Oh , so they have a plenty of time , and y",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Given that it 's that long , um , um {disfmarker} Why was that date chosen ? You just felt you wanted to {disfmarker} ?",
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"content": "Jane told me July fifteenth . So , that 's what I set it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "Oh . I just meant that that was {pause} the release date that you had on the {pause} data .",
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{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Oh . I {disfmarker} I didn't understand that there was something specific .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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"content": "I , uh {disfmarker} I thought {disfmarker}",
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"content": "You {disfmarker} y you had {disfmarker}",
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"content": "I don't {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "I had heard July fifteenth , so that 's what I put .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"content": "No , the only {disfmarker} th the only {pause} mention I recall about that was just that July fifteenth or so is when {vocalsound} this meeting starts .",
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"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "That 's right . That 's why .",
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"content": "Oh , I see .",
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"content": "You said you wanted it to be available then .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "I didn't mean it to be the hard deadline .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "It 's fine with me if it is , or we cou But I thought it might be good to remind people two weeks prior to that",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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"content": "w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "in case , uh {disfmarker} you know , \" by the way {pause} this is your last {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We probably should have talked about it , cuz i because if we wanna be able to give it to people July fifteenth , if somebody 's gonna come back and say \" OK , I don't want this and this and this used \" , uh , clearly we need some time to respond to that . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah . As I said , we {disfmarker} I just got one date",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Damn !",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "and that 's the one I used .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "So . But I can send a follow - up . I mean , it 's almost all us . I mean the people who are in the meeti this meeting was , uh , these {disfmarker} the meetings that {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} are in set one .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "Was my {disfmarker} was my response OK ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
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{
"content": "I just wrote you {disfmarker} replied to the email saying they 're all fine .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Right . I mean , that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
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{
"content": "OK , good .",
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{
"content": "I {disfmarker} we don't {disfmarker} My understanding of what we {pause} had agreed upon when we had spoken about this months ago was that , uh , we don't actually need a reply .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That makes it easy .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We just need to tell them that they can do it if they want .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . I just didn't remember , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so no reply is no changes .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And he 's got it so that the default thing you see when you look at the page is \" OK \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's very clear all the way down the page , \" OK \" . And they have two options they can change it to . One of them is {pause} \" censor \" , and the other one is \" incorrect \" . Is it {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} your word is \" incorrect \" ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Which means also we get feedback on {pause} if {pause} um , there 's something that they w that needs to be {pause} adjusted , because , I mean , these are very highly technical things . I mean , it 's an added , uh , level of checking on the accuracy of the transcription , as I see it . But in any case , people can agree to things that are wrong .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The reason I did that it was just so that people would not censor {disfmarker} not ask to have stuff removed because it was transcribed incorrectly ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And the reason I liked it was because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "was because it , um {disfmarker} it gives them the option of , uh , being able to correct it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Approve it and correct it . And {pause} um . So , you have {pause} it nicely set up so they email you and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "When they submit the form , it gets processed and emailed to me .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . And I wanted to say the meetings that are involved in that set are Robustness and Meeting Recorder .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The German ones will be ready for next week . Those are three {disfmarker} three of those . A different set of people . And we can impose {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "The German ones ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Those {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "NSA .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . I spoke loosely . The {disfmarker} the German , French {disfmarker} Sorry , the German , {vocalsound} Dutch , and Spanish ones .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Spanish . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , those are the NSA meetings ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The non - native {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Those are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "German , Dutch , Swiss and Spanish .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh ! OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The all non - native {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's r",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK . I 'd {disfmarker} I d",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {pause} It 's the other group .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I It was the network {disfmarker} network services group .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah , exactly . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I didn't mean to {pause} isolate them .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise known as the German , Dutch , and Spanish .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sorry . It was {disfmarker} it was not the best characterization .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But what {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what I meant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not {disfmarker} n no m no overlap with our present members . And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicit deadline , something like {pause} a week {pause} before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I would suggest we discuss {disfmarker} I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "so that we have a uniform thing . So , tha that 's a month , which is fine . I mean , it seems {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Twelve hours .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , the only thing I said in the email is that {pause} the data is going to be released on the fifteenth . I didn't give any other deadline .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So my feeling is if someone after the fifteenth says , \" wow I suddenly found something \" , we 'll delete it from our record . We just won't delete it from whatever 's already been released .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . That 's a little bit difficult .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "What else can we do ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "If someone says \" hey , look , I {pause} found something in this meeting and {pause} it 's libelous and I want it removed \" . What can we do ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well . {pause} That 's true .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We have to remove it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I agree with that part , but I think that it would {disfmarker} it , uh {disfmarker} we need to have , uh , a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a message to them very clearly that {vocalsound} beyond this date , you can't make additional changes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , um , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} i I think that somebody might {pause} request something even though we say that . But I think it 's good to at least start some place like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So if we agreed , {vocalsound} OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have {disfmarker} if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that {disfmarker} say that , you know , i a as {pause} um , {vocalsound} \" per the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff \" and so forth \" and , uh , because we w \" these , uh {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say \" because we , uh , will continually be making these things available {vocalsound} to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within this amount of time \" , whatever time we agree upon .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Did I ? No , I haven't yet . No , just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . OK , well why don't you do that and then make comments on what you want me to change ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no . I 'm not saying that you should change anything . I I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm trying to spark a discussion hopefully among people who have read it so that {disfmarker} that you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you can , uh , decide on something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm not telling you what to decide .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just saying you should decide something ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . OK , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And if you disagree with it , why don't you read it and give me comments on it ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that there 's one missing line .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , the one thing that I did read and that you just repeated to me {pause} was that you gave the specific date of July fifteenth .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And you also just said that the reason you said that was because someone said it to you . So what I 'm telling you {pause} is that what you should do is come up with a length of time that you guys think is enough",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and you should use that rather than {pause} this date that you just got from somewhere . That 's all I 'm saying .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I ha I have one question . This is in the summer period and presumably people may be out of town . But we can make the assumption , can't we ? that , um , they will be receiving email , uh , most of the month . Right ? Because if someone {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} well , it {disfmarker} well , you 're right . Sometimes somebody will be {pause} away and , uh , you know , there 's , uh {disfmarker} for any length of time that you {vocalsound} uh , choose {pause} there is some person sometime who will not {pause} end up reading it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} it 's , you know , just a certain risk to take .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S so maybe when {disfmarker} Am I on , by the way ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . You should be .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Hello ? Hello ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "You should be channel B .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Alright . So . The , um {disfmarker} Maybe we should say in {disfmarker} w you know , when the whole thing starts , when they sign the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the agreement {vocalsound} that {disfmarker} you know , specify exactly uh , what , you know , how {disfmarker} how they will be contacted and they can , you know {disfmarker} they can be asked to give a phone number and an email address , or both . And , um , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "We did that , I {disfmarker} I believe .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} A And , then , you know , say very clearly that if they don't {disfmarker} if we don't hear from them , you know , as Morgan suggested , by a certain time or after a certain {vocalsound} period after we contact them {vocalsound} that is implicitly giving their agreement .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , they 've already signed a form .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And the form says {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And nobody {disfmarker} nobody really reads it anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So . And the s and the form was approved by Human Subjects ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Says that . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , the f",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , if that 's i tha if that 's already {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "so , eh , that 's gonna be a little hard to modify .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the form {disfmarker} Well , the form doesn't say , if {disfmarker} uh , you know , \" if you don't respond by X number of days or X number of weeks {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I see . Uh {disfmarker} Oh , OK . So what does it say about the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the process of {disfmarker} of , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} y the review process ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't have a time limit . That you 'll be provided access to the transcripts and then , uh , allowed to {pause} remove things that you 'd like to remove , before it goes to the general {disfmarker} uh , larger audience .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Here .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "You can read what you already signed .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I guess when I {pause} read it , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not as diligent as Chuck , but I had the feeling I should probably respond and tell Adam , like , \" I got this and I will do it by this date , and if you don't hear from me by then {disfmarker} \" You know , in other words responding to your email {pause} once , right away , saying \" as soon as you get this could you please respond . \"",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And then if you {disfmarker} if the person thinks they 'll need more time because they 're out of town or whatever , they can tell you at that point ? Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I just {disfmarker} I didn't wanna do that , because I don't wanna have a discussion with every person {pause} if I can avoid it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what I wanted to do was just send it out and say \" on the fifteenth , the data is released ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "if you wanna do something about it , do something about it , but that 's it \" .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I kind of like this .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , we 're assuming that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} that would be great if {disfmarker} but you should probably have a {pause} legal person look at this and {pause} make sure it 's OK . Because if you {disfmarker} if you , uh , do this {vocalsound} and you {disfmarker} then there 's a dispute later and , uh , some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , someone who understands these matters concludes that they didn't have , uh , you know , enough opportunity to actually {vocalsound} exercise their {disfmarker} their right {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Or they {disfmarker} they might never have gotten the email , because although they signed this , they don't know by which date to expect your email . And so {pause} someone whose machine is down or whatever {disfmarker} I mean , we have no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "in internally we know that people are there ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , OK . l Let me {disfmarker} Let me reverse this .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "but we have no confirmation that they got the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So let 's say someone {disfmarker} I send this out , and someone doesn't respond . Do we delete every meeting that they were in ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} we 're hoping that doesn't happen ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "but that 's why there 's such a thing as registered mail",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That will happen .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That will happen .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That will absolutely happen . Because people don't read their email , or they 'll read and say \" I don't care about that , I 'm not gonna delete anything \" and they don just won't reply to it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} uh , do we have mailing addresses for these people ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "No . We have what they put on the speaker form ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} Most {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "which was just generic contact information .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "But the ones that we 're dealing with now are all local ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "except the ones who {disfmarker} I mean , we {disfmarker} we 're totally in contact with all the ones in those two groups .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So maybe , uh , I {disfmarker} you know , that 's not that many people and if I {disfmarker} if , uh {disfmarker} i i there is an advantage to having them admit {disfmarker} and if I can help with {disfmarker} with processing that , I will . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} there is an advantage to having them be on record as having received the mail and indicating {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean I thought we had discussed this , like , a year ago .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , we did .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And so it seems like this is a little odd for it to be coming up yet again .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You 're right . Well , I {disfmarker} you know . But sometimes {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we {disfmarker} we haven't experienced it before .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You 'll either wonder {pause} at the beginning or you 'll wonder at the end .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Need to get it right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there 's no way to get around {disfmarker} I It 's pretty much the same am amount of work except for an additional email just saying they got the email .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And maybe it 's better legally to wonder before {disfmarker} you know , a little bit earlier than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's much easier to explain {pause} this way .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , why don't you talk {pause} t",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "T t to have it on record .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Morgan , can you talk to our lawyer about it , and find out what the status is on this ? Cuz I don't wanna do something that we don't need to .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but w Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Because what {disfmarker} I 'm telling you , people won't respond to the email . No matter what you do , you there 're gonna be people who {pause} you 're gonna have to make a lot of effort to get in contact with .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , then we make the effort .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , i it 's k",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And do we want to spend that effort ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "We make the effort .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It 's kind of like signing up for a mailing list . They have opt in and opt out . And there are two different ways . I mean , and either way works probably , I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Except I really think in this case {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm agr I agree with Liz , that we need to be {pause} in the clear and not have to after the fact say \" oh , but I assumed \" , and \" oh , I 'm sorry that your email address was just accumulating mail without notifying you \" , you know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "If this is a purely administrative task , we can actually have administration do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But the thing is that , you know , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think , without going through a whole expensive thing with our lawyers , {vocalsound} from my previous conversations with them , my {disfmarker} my sense very {pause} much is that we would want something on record {pause} as indicating that they actually were aware of this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we had talked about this before",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I thought that we had even gone by the lawyers asking about that and they said you have to s they 've already signed away the f with that form {disfmarker} that they 've already signed once .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember that this issue of {pause} the time period allowed for response was ever covered .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We never really talked about that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Or the date at which they would be receiving the email from you .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or how they would indicate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "They probably forgot all about it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We certainly didn't talk , uh , about {disfmarker} with them at all about , uh , the manner of them being {disfmarker} {vocalsound} made the , uh , uh , materials available .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We do it like with these {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That was something that was sort of just within our implementation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We can use it {disfmarker} we can use a {disfmarker} a ploy like they use to , um {disfmarker} you know , that when they serve , like {disfmarker} uh , uh , uh {disfmarker} {comment} uh , you know , like dead - beat dads , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they make it look like they won something in the lottery and then they open the envelope",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And they 're served .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and that {disfmarker} Right ? Because {disfmarker} and then the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the thing is served . So you just make it , you know , \" oh , you won {disfmarker} you know , go to this web site and you 've , uh {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That 's why you never open these things that come in the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That one .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's just , we 've gone from one extreme to the other , where at one point , a few months ago , Morgan was {disfmarker} you were saying let 's not do anything ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right . {vocalsound} Right . No , it I {disfmarker} it might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , it doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "i i it {disfmarker} it might well be the case {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "and now we 're {disfmarker} we 're saying we have to follow up each person and get a signature ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "it might {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , what are we gonna doing here ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It might well be the case that {disfmarker} that this is perfectly {disfmarker} you know , this is enough to give us a basis t to just , eh , assume their consent if they don't reply .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But , I 'm not {disfmarker} you know , me not being a lawyer , I wouldn't just wanna do that without {pause} having the {disfmarker} the expert , uh , opinion on that .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And how many people ? Al - altogether we 've got twenty people . These people are people who read their email almost all the time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Then I think we had better find out , so that we can find a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Let me look at this again .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I really don't see that it 's a problem . I {disfmarker} I think that it 's a common courtesy to ask them {disfmarker} uh , to expect for them to , uh , be able to have @ @ {comment} us try to contact them ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker} for th",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "u just in case they hadn't gotten their email . I think they 'd appreciate it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . My {disfmarker} Adam , my {disfmarker} my view before was about {pause} the nature of what was {disfmarker} of the presentation ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "of {disfmarker} of how {pause} my {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} the things that we 're questioning were along the lines of how easy {disfmarker} uh , h how m how much implication would there be that it 's likely you 're going to be changing something , as opposed to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That was the kind of dispute I was making before .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I remember that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But , um , the attorneys , I {disfmarker} uh , I can guarantee you , the attorneys will always come back with {disfmarker} and we have to decide how stringent we want to be in these things , but they will always come back with saying {vocalsound} that , um , you need to {disfmarker} you want to have someth some paper trail or {disfmarker} which includes electronic trail {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that they have , uh , in fact {pause} O K 'd it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , I think that if you f i if {pause} we send the email as you have and if there 's half the people , say , who don't respond {pause} at all by , you know , some period of time , {vocalsound} we can just make a list of these people and hand it to , uh {disfmarker} you know , just give it to me and I 'll hand it to administrative staff or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and they 'll just call them up and say , you know , \" have you {disfmarker} Is {disfmarker} is this OK ? And would you please mail {disfmarker} you know , mail Adam that it is , if i if it , you know , is or not . \" So , you know , we can {disfmarker} we can do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The other thing that there 's a psychological effect that {disfmarker} at least for most people , that if they 've responded to your email saying \" yes , I will do it \" or \" yes , I got your email \" , they 're more likely to actually do it {comment} {pause} later {pause} than to just ignore it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And of course we don't want them to bleep things out , but it {disfmarker} it 's a little bit better if we 're getting the {disfmarker} their , uh , final response , once they 've answered you once than if they never answer you 'd {comment} at al at all . That 's how these mailing houses work . So , I mean , it 's not completely lost work because it might benefit us in terms of getting {pause} responses .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "You know , an official OK from somebody {pause} is better than no answer , even if they responded that they got your email . And they 're probably more likely to do that once they 've responded that they got the email .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I also think they 'd just simply appreciate it . I think it 's a good {disfmarker} a good way of {disfmarker} of fostering goodwill among our subjects . Well , our participants .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I think the main thing is {disfmarker} I mean , what lawyers do is they always look at worst cases .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sending lots of spam .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So they s so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} Tha - that 's what they 're paid to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And so , {vocalsound} it is certainly possible that , uh , somebody 's server would be down or something and they wouldn't actually hear from us , and then they find this thing is in there and we 've already distributed it to someone . So , {vocalsound} what it says in there , in fact , is that they will be given an opportunity to blah - blah - blah ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "but if in fact {disfmarker} if we sent them something or we thought we sent them something but they didn't actually receive it for some reason , {vocalsound} um , then we haven't given them that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , so how far do we have to go ? Do we need to get someone 's signature ? Or , is email enough ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I i i em email is enough .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do we have to have it notarized ? I mean {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , I 've been through this {disfmarker} I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 've been through these things a f things f like this a few times with lawyers now",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "so I {disfmarker} I {vocalsound} I I 'm pretty comfortable with that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do you track , um , when people log in to look at the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . If they submit the form , I get it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "If they don't submit the form , it goes in the general web log . But that 's not sufficient .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Cuz if someone just visits the web site that doesn't {pause} imply anything in particular .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Except that you know they got the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I could get you on the notify list if you want me to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm already on it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "For that directory ? OK , great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So again , hopefully , um , this shouldn't be quite as odious a problem either way , uh , in any of the extremes we 've talked about because {vocalsound} uh , we 're talking a pretty small {pause} number of people .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "W For this set , I 'm not worried , because {pause} we basically know everyone on it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know , they 're all more or less here or it 's {disfmarker} it 's Eric and Dan and so on . But for some of the others , you 're talking about visitors who are {pause} gone from ICSI , whose email addresses may or may not work ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So what are we gonna do when we run into someone that we can't get in touch with ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I don't think , uh {disfmarker} They 're so recent , these visitors .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I {disfmarker} they 're also so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "They 're prominent enough that they 're easy to find through {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I w I 'll be able to {disfmarker} if you have any trouble finding them , I really think I could find them .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Other methods ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz it {disfmarker} what it {disfmarker} what it really does promise here is that we will ask their permission . Um , and I think , you know , if you go into a room and close the door and {disfmarker} and ask their permission {vocalsound} and they 're not there , it doesn't seem {comment} that that 's the intent of , uh , meaning here . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the qu the question is just whether {disfmarker} how active it has to be . I mean , because they {disfmarker} they filled out a contact information and that 's where I 'm sending the information .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so far everyone has done email . There isn't anyone who did , uh , any other contact method .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the way ICSI goes , people , uh , who , uh , were here ten years ago still have acc {vocalsound} have forwards to other accounts and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's unusual that {disfmarker} that they , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So my original impression was that that was sufficient , that if they give us contact information and that contact information isn't accurate that {pause} we fulfilled our burden .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Then they just come back .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "All my files were still here .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Same as us .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So if we get to a boundary case like that then maybe I will call the attorney about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , hopefully we won't need to .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I d I just don't think we will . For all the reasons that we 've discussed .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll see if we do or not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And we 'll see how many people respond to that email .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So far , two people have .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think very few people will",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , you know , people {disfmarker} people see long emails about things that they don't think {vocalsound} is gonna be high priority , they typically , uh , don't {disfmarker} don't read it , or half read it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz people are swamped .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And actually ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "um , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} didn't anticipate this so I {disfmarker} that 's why I didn't give this comment , and it {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} this discussion has made me think it might be nice to have a follow - up email within the next couple of days saying \" by the way , you know , we wanna hear back from you by X date and please {disfmarker} \" , and then add what Liz said {disfmarker} \" please , uh , respond to {disfmarker} please indicate you received this mail . \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , or e well , maybe even additionally , uh , um , \" Even if you 've decided you have no changes you 'd like to make , if you could tell us that \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Respond to the email . {comment} Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . It is the first time through the cycle .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . That would {disfmarker} that would definitely work on me . You know , it makes you feel m like , um , if you were gonna p if you 're predicting that you might not answer , you have a chance now to say that . Whereas , I {disfmarker} I mean , I would be much more likely myself ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the other th",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "given all my email , t to respond at that point , saying \" you know what , I 'm probably not gonna get to it \" or whatever , rather than just having seen the email , thinking I might get to it , and never really , {vocalsound} uh , pushing myself to actually do it until it 's too late .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I was {disfmarker} I was thinking that it also {pause} lets them know that they don't have to go to the page to {pause} accept this .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right . R Right . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Yeah . So that way they could {disfmarker} they can see from that email that if they just write back and say \" I got it , no changes \" , they 're off the hook .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "They don't have to go to the web page",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the other thing I 've learned from dealing with {disfmarker} dealing with people sending in reviews and so forth , uh , is , um , {vocalsound} if you say \" you 've got three months to do this review \" , {vocalsound} um , people do it , you know , {vocalsound} two and seven eighths months from now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "If you say \" you 've got three weeks to do this review \" , they do {disfmarker} do it , you know , two and seven eighths weeks from now {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they do the review .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker} So , if we make it {pause} a little less time , I don't think it 'll be that much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , and also if we want it ready by the fifteenth , that means we better give them deadline of the first , if we have any prayer of actually getting everyone to respond in time .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "There 's the responding part and there 's also what if , uh , I mean , I hope this doesn't happen , what if there are a bunch of deletions that have to get put in and changes ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Then {vocalsound} we actually have to deal with that",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Some lead time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "if we want it to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ugh ! Disk space ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "By the way , has {disfmarker} has Jeremy signed the form ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "oh my god ! I hadn't thought about that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That for every meeting {disfmarker} any meeting which has any bleeps in it we need yet another copy of .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Just that channel .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Can't you just do that channel ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no . We have to do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , of course not .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You have to do all of them ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You need all the channels .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Do you have to do the other close - talking ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "as well as all of these .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "You have to do all {disfmarker} You could just do it in that time period , though ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Absolutely . There 's a lot of cross - talk .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "but I guess it 's a pain .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , but you have to copy the whole file .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Because we 're gonna be releasing the whole file .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You 're right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} you know , I think at a certain point , that copy that has the deletions will become the master copy .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's just I hate deleting any data . So I {disfmarker} I don't want {disfmarker} I really would rather make a copy of it , rather than bleep it out",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Are you del are you bleeping it by adding ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker} Overlapping . So , it 's {disfmarker} it 's exactly a censor bleep . So what I really think is \" bleep \"",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I I I I understand , but is {disfmarker} is it summing signals",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then I want to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "or do you {pause} delete the old one and put the new one in ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I delete the old one , put the new one in .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Cuz {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's nothing left of the original signal .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Cuz if you were summing , you could {disfmarker} No . But anyway {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It would be qui quite easy to get it back again .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And then w I was gonna say also that the they don't have to stay on the system , as you know ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Then someday we can sell the {pause} unedited versions .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "cuz {disfmarker} cuz the {disfmarker} the ones {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Say again ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Once it 's been successfully bleeped , can't you rely on the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Or {pause} we 'll tell people the frequency of the beep",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Encrypt it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then they could subtract the beep out .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You can hide it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Can't you rely on the archiving to preserve the older version ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't be that hard to hide it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Exactly . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's true . Yeah . Yep , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "See , this is good . I wanted to create some {pause} side conversations in these meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You could encrypt it , you know , with a {disfmarker} with a two hundred bit {disfmarker} {vocalsound} thousand bit , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You can use spread spectrum .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hide it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Here we go .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there you go .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we don't have enough asides .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I have an idea . You reverse the signal ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "so it {disfmarker} it lets people say what they said backwards .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Backwards .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Then you have , like , subliminal , uh , messages ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But , ha you 've seen the {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} the speech recognition system that reversed very short segments .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "like .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Did you read that paper ? It wouldn't work .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "The speech recognizer still works .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And if you do it backward then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's cuz they use forward - backward .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "H - good old HMM .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Forward but backward . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's backward - forward .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good point . A point . Well , I 'm sorry if I sound a little peeved about this whole thing . It 's just we 've had meeting after meeting after meeting a on this and it seems like we 've never gotten it resolved .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but we never also {disfmarker} we 've also never done it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "This is the first cycle .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "If it makes {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "There 're bound to be some glitches the first time through .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} And , uh {disfmarker} and I 'm sorry responding without , uh , having much knowledge , but the thing is , uh , I am , like , one of these people who gets a gazillion mails and {disfmarker} and stuff comes in as",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , and that 's exactly why I did it the way I did it , which is the default is if you do nothing we 're gonna release it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because , you know , I have my {pause} stack of emails of to d to be done , that , you know , fifty or sixty long , and the ones at the top I 'm never gonna get to .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {pause} So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Move them to the bottom .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so the only thing we 're missing is {disfmarker} is some way to respond to easily to say , uh , \" OK , go ahead \" or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right . So , i this is gonna mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Just re - mail them to yourself and then they 're at the bottom .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's actually definitely a good point . The m email doesn't specify that you can just reply to the email , as op as opposed to going to the form",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "In {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And it also doesn't give a {disfmarker} a specific {disfmarker} I didn't think of it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "S I think it 's a good idea {disfmarker} an ex explicit time by which this will be considered definite .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , release .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and it has to be a time earlier than that endpoint .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's converging .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} um , I 've seen this recently . Uh , I got email , and it {disfmarker} i if I use a MIME - capable mail reader , it actually says , you know , click on this button to confirm receipt {pause} of the {disfmarker} of the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's like certified mail .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "A lot of mailers support return receipt .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Could do that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "But it doesn't confirm that they 've read it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . This is different . This is not {disfmarker} So , I {disfmarker} I know , you can tell , you know , the , uh , mail delivery agent to {disfmarker} to confirm that the mail was delivered to your mailbox .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , no . This was different . Ins - in the mail , there was a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , just a button .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "uh , th there was a button that when you clicked on it , it would send , uh , you know , a actual acknowledgement to the sender that you had actually looked at the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah . Unfor - Yeah , we could do that . But I hate that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But it o but it only works for , you know , MIME - capable {disfmarker} you know , if you use Netscape or something like that for your n",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You might as well just respond to the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And we actually need a third thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that you 've looked at it , it 's that you 've looked at it and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and agree with one of the possible actions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , no . You can do that .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know , you can put this button anywhere you want ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh ? Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and you can put it the bottom of the message and say \" here , by {disfmarker} you know , by clicking on this , I {disfmarker} I agree {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , you know , I acknowledge {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That i i my first - born children are yours , and {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Quick question . Are , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I could put a URL in there without any difficulty and {pause} even pretty simple MIME readers can do that . So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But why shouldn't they just {pause} email back ? I don't see there 's a problem .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Reply .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It 's very nice . I {disfmarker} I like the high - tech aspect of it ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . {vocalsound} I actually don't .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I appreciate it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just saying that",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} cuz I use a text mail reader .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "if ev but I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Don't you use VI for your mai ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Wow . That 's {disfmarker} that 's my guy . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you read email {pause} in VI ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} I like VI .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} i There 's these logos {pause} that you can put at the bottom of your web page , like \" powered by VI \" .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , quick question .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You could put wed bugs in the email .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "How m",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Like , there were three meetings this time , or so",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "or how many ? Six ? But , no of different people . So I guess if you 're in both these types of meetings , you 'd have a lot . But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} How {disfmarker} I mean , it also depends on how many {disfmarker} Like , if we release {disfmarker} this time it 's a fairly small number of meetings , but what if we release , like , twenty - five meetings to people ? In th",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , what my s expectation is , is that we 'll send out one of these emails {pause} every time a meeting has been checked and is ready .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Oh . Oh , OK . So this time was just the first chunk . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . Tha - that was my intention . It 's just {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} that we just happened to have a bunch all at once .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , maybe {disfmarker} Is that {pause} the way it 's gonna be , you think , Jane ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I agree with you . It 's {disfmarker} we could do it , uh {disfmarker} I I could {disfmarker} I 'd be happy with either way , batch - wise {disfmarker} What I was thinking {disfmarker} Uh , so this one {disfmarker} That was exactly right , that we had a {disfmarker} uh , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I had wanted to get the entire set of twelve hours ready . Don't have it . But , uh , this was the biggest clump I could do by a time where I thought it was reasonable .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "People would be able to check it and still have it ready by then . My , um {disfmarker} I was thinking that with the {pause} NSA meetings , I 'd like {disfmarker} there are three of them , and they 're {disfmarker} uh , I {disfmarker} I will have them done by Monday . Uh , unfortunately the time is later and I don't know how that 's gonna work out , but I thought it 'd be good to have that released as a clump , too , because then , {vocalsound} you know , they 're {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they have a {disfmarker} it it 's in a category , it 's not quite so distracting to them , is what I was thinking , and it 's all in one chu But after that , when we 're caught up a bit on this process , then , um , I could imagine sending them out periodically as they become available .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I could do it either way . I mean , it 's a question of how distracting it is to the people who have to do the checking .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We heard anything from IBM ? at all ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Let 's see . We {disfmarker} Yeah , right . So we got the transcript back from that one meeting . Everything seemed fine . Adam {pause} had a script that will {pause} put everything back together and there was {disfmarker} Well , there was one small problem but it was a simple thing to fix . And then , um , {vocalsound} we , uh {disfmarker} I sent him a pointer to three more . And so he 's {pause} off and {pause} working on those .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Now we haven't actually had anyone go through that meeting , to see whether the transcript is correct and to see how much was missed and all that sort of stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That 's on my list .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "So at some point we need to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's on my list .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's gonna have to go through our regular process .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the one thing I noticed is it did miss a lot of backchannels . There are a fair number of \" yeahs \" and \" uh - huhs \" that {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} that aren't in there . So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But I think {disfmarker} Yeah . Like you said , I mean , that 's {disfmarker} that 's gonna be our standard proc that 's what the transcribers are gonna be spending most of their time doing , I would imagine ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "once {disfmarker} once we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "One question about the backchannels .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It 's gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do you suppose that was because they weren't caught by the pre - segmenter ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , interesting . Oh , interesting . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They 're {disfmarker} they 're not in the segmented .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that the {pause} IBM people didn't do it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Just they didn't get marked .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So maybe when the detector for that gets better or something {disfmarker} I w I {disfmarker} There 's another issue which is this {disfmarker} we 've been , uh , contacted by University of Washington now , of course , to , um {disfmarker} We sent them the transcripts that correspond to those {pause} six meetings and they 're downloading the audio files . So they 'll be doing that . Chuck 's {disfmarker} Chuck 's , uh , put that in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , I pointed them to the set that Andreas put , uh , on the {vocalsound} web so th if they want to compare directly with his results they can . And , um , then once , uh , th we can also point them at the , um , uh , the original meetings and they can grab those , too , with SCP .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Wait . So you put the reference files {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . They d they wanted the audio .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Jane sent them the , uh , transcripts .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean of the transcripts . Um . Well , we can talk about it off - line .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "There 's another meeting in here , what , at four ? Right ? Yeah , so we have to finish by three forty - five .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "D d So , does Washi - does {disfmarker} does UW wanna u do this {disfmarker} wanna use this data for recognition or for something else ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , for recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think they 're doing w",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "didn't they want to do language modeling on , you know , recognition - compatible transcripts",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "This is to show you , uh , some of the things that turn up during the checking procedure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um @ @ {comment} So , this is from one of the NSA meetings and , uh , i if you 're familiar with the diff format , the arrow to the left is what it was , and the arrow to the right is {pause} what it was changed to . So , um . {vocalsound} And now the first one . \" OK . So , then we started a weekly meeting . The last time , uh {disfmarker} \" And the transcriber thought \" little too much \" But , {vocalsound} uh , really , um , it was \" we learned too much \" , which makes more sense syntactically as well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "And these {disfmarker} the parentheses were f from {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} Oh , this {disfmarker} that 's the convention for indicating uncertain .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "U uncertains .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So the transcriber was right .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "You know , she was uncertain about that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So she 's right to be uncertain . And it 's also a g a good indication of the {disfmarker} of that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {comment} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "The next one . This was about , uh , Claudia and {pause} she 'd been really b busy with stuff , such as waivers . Uh , OK . Um , next one . Um . {vocalsound} This was {pause} an interesting one . So the original was \" So that 's not {disfmarker} so Claudia 's not the bad master here \" , and then he laughs , but it really \" web master \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Web master .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {comment} Uh - oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "And then you see another type of uncertainty which is , you know , they just didn't know what to make out of that . So instead of \" split upon unknown \" , {comment} it 's \" split in principle \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Jane , these are from IBM ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Spit upon ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The top lines ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , no . These are {disfmarker} these are our local transcriptions of the NSA meetings .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "No , these are {pause} ours .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The transcribers {disfmarker} transcriber 's version ver versus the checked version .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "My {disfmarker} my checked version , after I go through it .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , then you get down here . Um . Sometimes some speakers will insert foreign language terms . That 's the next example , the next one . The , uh , version beyond this is {disfmarker} So instead of saying \" or \" , especially those words , \" also \" and \" oder \" and some other ones . Those sneak in . Um , the next one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "That 's cool .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Discourse markers .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Discourse markers .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what ? Discourse markers ? Sure . Sure , sure , sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Discourse markers .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And it 's {disfmarker} and it makes sense",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "cuz it 's , like , below this {disfmarker} it 's a little subliminal there .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Um . OK , the next one , uh , {vocalsound} this is a term . The problem with terminology . Description with th the transcriber has \" X as an advance \" . But really it 's \" QS in advance \" . I mean , I {disfmarker} I 've benefited from some of these , uh , cross - group meetings . OK , then you got , um , {vocalsound} uh , instead of \" from something - or - other cards \" , {comment} it 's \" for multicast \" . And instead of \" ANN system related \" , it 's \" end system related \" . This was changed to an acronym initially and it should shouldn't have been . And then , you can see here \" GPS \" was misinterpreted . It 's just totally understanda This is {disfmarker} this is a lot of jargon . Um , and the final one , the transcriber had th \" in the core network itself or the exit unknown , not the internet unknown \" . And it {disfmarker} it comes through as \" in the core network itself of the access provider , not the internet backbone core \" . Now this is a lot of {pause} terminology . And they 're generally extremely good ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "but , you know in this {disfmarker} this area it really does pay to , um {disfmarker} to double check and I 'm hoping that when the checked versions are run through the recognizer that you 'll see s substantial improvements in performance cuz the {disfmarker} you know , there 're a lot of these in there .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So how often {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I bet {disfmarker} I bet they 're acoustically challenging parts anyway , though .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "No , actually no .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Huh - uh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ? Uh , it 's {disfmarker} Oh , so it 's just jargon .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's jargon . Yeah . I mean this is {disfmarker} cuz , you know you don't realize in daily life how much you have top - down influences in what you 're hearing .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And it 's jar it 's jargon coupled with a foreign accent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} But we don't {disfmarker} I mean , our language model right now doesn't know about these words anyhow . So ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "you know , un until you actually {pause} get a decent language model , @ @ {comment} Adam 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It probably won't do any better .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "You probably won't notice a difference . But it 's {disfmarker} I mean , it 's definitely good that these are fixed . I mean , {vocalsound} obviously .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , also from the standpoint of getting people 's approval ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "cuz if someone sees a page full of uh , um , barely decipherable w you know , sentences , and then is asked to approve of it or not , {vocalsound} it 's , uh , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Did I say that ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That would be a shame if people said \" well , I don't approve it because {pause} the {disfmarker} it 's not what I said \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's exactly why I put the extra option in ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . That 's why we discussed that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "is that I was afraid people would say , \" let 's censor that because it 's wrong \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I don't want them to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And then I also {disfmarker} the final thing I have for transcription is that I made a purchase of some other headphones",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "C",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "because of the problem of low gain in the originals . And {disfmarker} and they very much appro they mu much prefer the new ones , and actually I {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I think that there will be fewer things to correct because of the {disfmarker} the choice . We 'd originally chosen , uh , very expensive head headsets",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ugh !",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "but , um , they 're just not as good as these , um , in this {disfmarker} with this respect to this particular task .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Well , return the old ones .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It 's probably impedance matching problems .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "but we chose them because that 's what 's been used here by prominent projects in transcription .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Could be .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it i we had every reason to think they would work .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So you have spare headsets ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "You have spare headsets ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "They 're just earphones . They 're not headsets . They 're not microphones .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . I mean , just earphones ? Um , because I , uh , I could use one on my workstation , just to t because sometimes I have to listen to audio files and I don't have to b go borrow it from someone and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "We have actua actually I have {disfmarker} W Well , the thing is , that if we have four people come to work {pause} for a day , I was {disfmarker} I was hanging on to the others for , eh {disfmarker} for spares ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "but I can tell you what I recommend .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "No , but you 'd {disfmarker} If you {disfmarker} Yeah , w we should get it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sure . No problem .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "But if you need it , just get it .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Come on .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If you need it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 'd just have to be a s a separate order {disfmarker} an added order .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I still {disfmarker} I still need to get a pair , too .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "They 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're pretty inexpensive .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker} We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm using one of these . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think I have a pair that I brought from home , but it 's f just for music listening",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "No . Just {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just buy them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sh - Just get the model number",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and it 's not {disfmarker} Nnn . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Just buy them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Where do you buy these from ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Cambridge SoundWorks , just down the street .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} ? You just b go and b",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They always have them in stock .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "W uh , could you email out the brand ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sure . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I think {disfmarker} sounds like people are interested .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Definitely .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "It 's made a difference in {disfmarker} in how easy . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "I realized something I should talk about . So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . u It 's short . I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No , no . Why don't you {disfmarker} why don't you go ahead since it 's short .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , uh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought you meant the disk space . Yeah , we know disk space is short .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The disk space was short . Yeah . That 's what I thought too .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That 's a great ambiguity .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's one of these {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's social",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} I i i it i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , discourse level",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's great . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "double {disfmarker} double {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was really goo",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "See , if I had that little {pause} scratch - pad , I would have made an X there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Thank you , thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well , we 'll give you one then .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} So , um , without thinking about it , when I offered up my hard drive last week {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um , this is always a suspect phrase .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It was while I was out of town .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , um , no . I , uh {disfmarker} I realized that we 're going to be doing a lot of experiments , um , {vocalsound} o for this , uh , paper we 're writing , so we 're probably gonna need a lot more {disfmarker} We 're probably gonna need {vocalsound} that disk space that we had on that eighteen gig hard drive . But , um , we also have someone else coming in that 's gonna help us out with some stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "We 've just ordered a hundred gigabytes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} OK . We just need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "I think we need , like , another eighteen gig disk {pause} to be safe .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 're getting three thirty {disfmarker} thirty - sixes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "That are going into the main f file server .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Markham 's ordering and they should be coming in soon .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "W Well . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Soon ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , I guess the thing is is , all I need is to hang it off , like , {vocalsound} the person who 's coming in , Sonali 's , computer .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so {disfmarker} so , you mean the d the internal {disfmarker} the disks on the machines that we just got ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Whew . Or we can move them .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "These are gonna go onto Abbott .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Ne - new disks .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Or extra disk ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Onto Abbott , the file server .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So are we gonna move the stuff off of my hard drive onto that when those come in ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Once they come in . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Do {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when is this planned for {pause} roughly ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They should be {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I imagine next week or something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "If you 're {disfmarker} if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I think if I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I vacillate between no space free and {pause} a few gig free .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think I can find something if I 'm desperate",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "and , um , in the meantime I 'll just hold out .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That was the only thing I wanted to bring up .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "It should be soon . We {disfmarker} we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So there 's another hundred gig . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Great .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK . It 's great to be able to do it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "just say \" oh yeah , a hundred gig ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "no big deal \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . A hundred gig here , a hundred gig there .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , each meeting is like a gig or something ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's eventually real disk space .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so it 's really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . Yeah . I was just going to comment that I I 'm going to , uh , be on the phone with Mari tomorrow , late afternoon .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We 're supposed to {vocalsound} get together and talk about , uh , where we are on things . Uh , there 's this meeting coming up , uh , and there 's also an annual report . Now , I never actually {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was asking about this . I don't really quite understand this . She was re she was referring to it as {disfmarker} I think this actually {pause} didn't just come from her , but this is {pause} what , uh , DARPA had asked for . Um , she 's referring to it as the an annual report for the fiscal year . But of course the fiscal year starts in October , so I don't quite understand w w why we do an annual report that we 're writing in July .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "She 's either really late or really early .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Or she 's getting a good early start .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I think basically it it 's none of those . It 's that the meeting is in July so they {disfmarker} so DARPA just said do an annual report . So . So . So anyway , I 'll be putting together stuff . I 'll do it , uh , you know , as much as I can without bothering people , just by looking at {disfmarker} at papers and status reports . I mean , the status reports you do are very helpful .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so I can grab stuff there . And if , uh {disfmarker} if I have some questions I 'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "When we remember to fill them out .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If {pause} people could do it as soon as {disfmarker} as you can , if you haven't done one si recently . Uh . {vocalsound} Uh , but , you know , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure before {pause} it 's all done , I 'll end up bugging people for {disfmarker} for more clarification about stuff . Um . {vocalsound} But , um , I don't know , I guess {disfmarker} I guess I know pretty much what people have been doing . We have these meetings and {disfmarker} and there 's the status reports . Uh . But , um . Um . Yeah . So that wasn't a long one . Just to tell you that . And if something {vocalsound} hasn't , uh {disfmarker} I 'll be talking to her late tomorrow afternoon , and if something hasn't been in a status report and you think it 's important thing to mention on {vocalsound} this kind of thing , uh , uh , just pop me a one - liner and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll have it in front of me for the phone conversation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I guess , uh , you you 're still pecking away at the {pause} demos and all that , probably .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And Don is {pause} gonna be helping out with that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Did you wanna talk about that this afternoon ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Not here , but later today ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We should probably talk off - line about when we 're gonna talk off - line .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah , I might want to get updated about it in about a week cuz , um , I 'm actually gonna have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a few days off the following week , a after the {disfmarker} after the picnic . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That 's all I had .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we were gonna do sort of status of speech transcription {disfmarker} automatic transcription , but we 're kind of running late . So .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "How long does it take you to save the data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Fifteen minutes .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . If you wanna do a quick",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "ten minute {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Guess we should stop , like , twenty of at the latest .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we have another meeting coming in that they wanna record .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And there 's the digits to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So maybe {disfmarker} may maybe {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we can skip the digits .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We could . Fi - five minute report or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's up to you . I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Whatever you want .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I would love to hear about it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What do you have to say ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "especially since {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm interested , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I 'm gonna be on the phone tomorrow , so this is just a {pause} good example of {pause} the sort of thing I 'd like to {pause} hear about .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wait . Why is everybody looking at me ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz he looked at you",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "and says you 're sketching .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I 'm not sure what you were referring to .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker} actually , I 'm not sure what {disfmarker} ? Are we supposed to have done something ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "No . We were just talking before about alternating the subject of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And this week we were gonna try to do {pause} t automatic transcription {pause} status .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Alternating .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "I wasn't here last week . Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But we sort of failed .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We did that last week . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Hhh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I thought we did .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Did we ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We did .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK . So now {disfmarker} now we have the schedule . So next week we 'll do automatic transcription status , plus anything that 's real timely .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Whew !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Good update .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Whew !",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Dodged that bullet .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Nicely done , Liz .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "A woman of few words .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but lots of prosody . OK . {vocalsound} OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Th",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , we {disfmarker} we really haven't done anything .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Well , since last week .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker} the next thing on our agenda is to go back and look at the , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the automatic alignments because , uh , I got some {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I learned from Thilo what data we can use as a benchmark to see how well we 're doing on automatic alignments of the background speech {disfmarker} or , of the foreground speech with background speech .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh , I guess , the new data that Don will start to process {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , we haven't actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "the , um {disfmarker} when he can get these {disfmarker} You know , before we were working with these segments that were all synchronous and that caused a lot of problems",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "because you have timed sp at {disfmarker} on either side .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Right , right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And so that 's sort of a stage - two of trying the same kinds of alignments with the tighter boundaries with them is really the next step .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "I 'll be interested .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "We did get our , um {disfmarker} I guess , good news . We got our abstract accepted for this conference , um {disfmarker} workshop , ISCA workshop , in , um , uh , New Jersey . And we sent in a very poor abstract , but they {disfmarker} very poor , very quick . Um , but we 're hoping to have a paper for that as well , which should be an interesting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "When 's it due ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "The t paper isn't due until August . The abstracts were already due . So it 's that kind of workshop .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean , the good news is that that will have sort of the European experts in prosody {disfmarker} sort of a different crowd , and I think we 're the only people working on prosody in meetings so far , so that should be interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What 's the name of the meeting ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it 's ISCA Workshop on Prosody in Speech Recognition and Understanding , or something like that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's called Prosody to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc A"
},
{
"content": "some generic {disfmarker} Uh , so it 's focused on using prosody in automatic systems and there 's a {disfmarker} um , a web page for it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Y you going to , uh , Eurospeech ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't have a paper",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "but I 'd kinda like to go , if I could . Is that alright ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "We 'll discuss it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . {vocalsound} I guess that 's \" no \" .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "My {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my car {disfmarker} my car needs a good wash , by the way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , that th Hey , if that 's what it takes , that 's fine with me .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'll pick up your dry - cleaning , too . Should we do digits ?",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Can I go next ? Because I have to leave , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Go for it . Hmm ! Thanks . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "So you get to be the one who has all the paper rustling . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
}
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"topic": "Decisions about the neural net model and data structure"
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"topic": "Different language data sources and expanding dimensionality of model"
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"answer": "The meeting included an introduction to the project, the mechanics of training the data, standardizing the data for the models, the time involved, and planning efficient use of computational resources . The team members shared and discussed the existing model as well as the tests they intended to run. There was a problem standardizing labels as well as converting HTK labels to the format that the team wanted. Adding more dimensions to the current model was also causing concern because of the upper bound on computational resources.",
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"answer": "The team was gathering data from different languages and preparing relevant baselines. The professor reiterated that the multilingual focus was key since the reason for this project was to replace mel cepstra with a more robust, multilingual model. They needed sufficient diversity in the languages they used.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about language training data for cell phones",
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"answer": "Grad G thought that the multi-lingual aspect of the model was not very important. The professor disagreed. He explained that the point of the project was to have something robust that could apply to many languages.",
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"answer": "The team arrived at the conclusion that they only needed sufficient breadth, not every possible language. As long as most languages used over cellular phones were covered, they were fine. The similarity between different languages would help them cover more ground with fewer languages.",
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"answer": "The Spanish data was not in the desired HTK format and needed to be processed, which was turning into somewhat of a challenge. The team also realized that moving data was making their processes slower and they needed to rely on faster machines to complete their tasks. The team discussed various linguistic features and computational methods for linguistic analysis that they could incorporate.",
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"answer": "The professor expressed that copying the information between drives clogged the network and slowed down their task. Though, the team was getting four more 36 GB drives. The professor also wanted to get more information on space available on computational servers.",
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"answer": "The team thought that doing a cheating experiment, where they try to identify the most important features, would be useful. Even if the results were not as great as they expected them to be, it could still be a valuable addition to their work. They thought that they could normalize the features using a sigmoid and try this for their work.",
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{
"content": "Channel one .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Test .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Hello .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Channel three .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Test .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So you think we 're going now , yes ? OK , good . Alright Going again Uh {disfmarker} So we 're gonna go around as before , and uh do {disfmarker} do our digits . Uh transcript one three one one dash one three three zero . {comment} three two three {comment} four seven six five {comment} five three one six two four one {comment} six seven {comment} seven {comment} eight {comment} nine zero nine four zero zero three {comment} zero one five eight {comment} one seven three five three {comment} two six eight zero {comment} three six two four three zero seven {comment} four {comment} five zero six nine four {comment} seven four {comment} eight five seven {comment} nine six one five {comment} O seven eight O two {comment} zero nine six zero four zero zero {comment} one {comment} two {comment} Uh {disfmarker} Yeah , you don't actually n need to say the name .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK , {vocalsound} this is Barry Chen and I am reading transcript",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 'll probably be bleeped out .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So . That 's if these are anonymized , but {vocalsound} Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {comment} OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} not that there 's anything defamatory about uh {disfmarker} eight five seven or {vocalsound} or anything , but",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , anyway . Uh {disfmarker} so here 's what I have for {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was just jotting down things I think th w that we should do today . Uh {disfmarker} This is what I have for an agenda so far Um , We should talk a little bit about the plans for the uh {disfmarker} the field trip next week . Uh {disfmarker} a number of us are doing a field trip to uh Uh {disfmarker} OGI And uh {disfmarker} mostly uh First though about the logistics for it . Then maybe later on in the meeting we should talk about what we actually you know , might accomplish . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in and {pause} kind of go around {disfmarker} see what people have been doing {disfmarker} talk about that , {pause} a r progress report . Um , Essentially . Um {disfmarker} And then uh {disfmarker} Another topic I had was that uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} Dave here had uh said uh \" Give me something to do . \" And I {disfmarker} I have {disfmarker} I have uh {disfmarker} failed so far in doing that . And so maybe we can discuss that a little bit . If we find some holes in some things that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} someone could use some help with , he 's {disfmarker} he 's volunteering to help .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 've got to move a bunch of furniture .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , always count on a {vocalsound} serious comment from that corner . So , um , uh , and uh , then uh , talk a little bit about {disfmarker} about disks and resource {disfmarker} resource issues that {disfmarker} that 's starting to get worked out . And then , anything else anybody has that isn't in that list ? Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I was just wondering , does this mean the battery 's dying and I should change it ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh I think that means the battery 's O K . {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Let me see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "d {disfmarker} do you",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK , so th",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's good . You 're alright ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's full .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . It looks full of electrons . OK . Plenty of electrons left there . OK , so , um , uh . OK , so , uh , I wanted to start this with this mundane thing . Um {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it was {disfmarker} it was kind of my bright idea to have us take a plane that leaves at seven twenty in the morning .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um . Uh {vocalsound} this is uh {disfmarker} The reason I did it uh was because otherwise for those of us who have to come back the same day it is really not much of a {disfmarker} of a visit . Uh {disfmarker} So um the issue is how {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how would we ever accomplish that ? Uh {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what part of town do you live in ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , I live in , um , the corner of campus . The , um , southeast corner .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK , so would it be easier {disfmarker} those of you who are not , you know , used to this area , it can be very tricky to get to the airport at {disfmarker} at uh , you know , six thirty . Um . So . Would it be easier for you if you came here and I drove you ? Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , perhaps , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so if {disfmarker} if everybody can get here at six .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "At six .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm afraid we need to do that to get there on time .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Six , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so . Oh boy . Anyway , so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Will that {pause} be enough time ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , so I 'll just pull up in front at six and just be out front . And , uh , and yeah , that 'll be plenty of time . It 'll take {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it won't be bad traffic that time of day and {disfmarker} and uh",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I guess once you get past the bridge {pause} that that would be the worst .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Oakland .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Going to Oakland .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oakland .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Once you get past the turnoff to the {pause} Bay Bridge .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Bridge oh , the turnoff to the bridge",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Won't even do that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , just go down Martin Luther King .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then Martin Luther King to nine - eighty to eight - eighty ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} it 'd take us , tops uh thirty minutes to get there .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that leaves us fifty minutes before the plane {disfmarker} it 'll just {disfmarker} yeah . So Great , OK so that 'll It 's {disfmarker} I mean , it 's still not going to be really easy but {disfmarker} well Particularly for {disfmarker} for uh {disfmarker} for Barry and me , we 're not {disfmarker} we 're not staying overnight so we don't need to bring anything particularly except for {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} a pad of paper and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , and , uh you , two have to bring a little bit",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but uh {disfmarker} you know , don't {disfmarker} don't bring a footlocker and we 'll be OK So .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "s So just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "W you 're staying overnight . I figured you wouldn't need a great big suitcase , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's sort of {pause} {vocalsound} one night . So . Anyway . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , s six AM , in front .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Six AM in front .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'll be here . Uh {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll give you my phone number , If I 'm not here for a few m after a few minutes then",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Wake you up .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Nah , I 'll be fine . I just , uh {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} for me it just means getting up a half an hour earlier than I usually do . Not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not a lot ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Wednesday .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "so OK , that was the real real important stuff . Um , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I figured maybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh {disfmarker} until we talk about wh what 's been going on . So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't we start {disfmarker} start over here .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} Well , preparation of the French test data actually .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} it means that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the {disfmarker} actually the Aurora - two noises . And , @ @ so this is a training part . And then {pause} the remaining part , I use for testing and {disfmarker} with other kind of noises . So we can {disfmarker} So this is almost ready . I 'm preparing the {disfmarker} the HTK baseline for this task . And , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK Uh , So the HTK base lines {disfmarker} so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or {disfmarker} ? Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And again , I guess the p the plan is , uh , to uh {disfmarker} then given this {disfmarker} What 's the plan again ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The plan with {pause} these data ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "With {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Does i Just remind me of what {disfmarker} what you were going to do with the {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} y You just described what you 've been doing . So if you could remind me of what you 're going to be doing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , this is {disfmarker} yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Tell him about the cube .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well . The cube ? I should tell him about the cube ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Cube . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Fill in the cube .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh we {disfmarker} actually we want to , mmm , Uh , {vocalsound} uh , analyze three dimensions , the feature dimension , the {pause} training data dimension , and the test data dimension . Um . Well , what we want to do is first we have number for each {pause} uh task . So we have the um , TI - digit task , the Italian task , the French task {pause} and the Finnish task .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So we have numbers with {pause} uh {disfmarker} systems {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} I mean neural networks trained on the task data . And then to have systems with neural networks trained on , {vocalsound} uh , data from the same language , if possible , with , well , using a more generic database , which is phonetically {disfmarker} phonetically balanced , and . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So - so we had talked {disfmarker} I guess we had talked at one point about maybe , the language ID corpus ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Is that a possibility for that ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ye - uh {disfmarker} {pause} Yeah , but , uh these corpus , w w there is a CallHome and a CallFriend also , The CallFriend is for language ind identification . Well , anyway , these corpus are all telephone speech . So , um . {vocalsound} This could be a {disfmarker} {pause} a problem for {disfmarker} Why ? Because uh , uh , the {disfmarker} the SpeechDat databases are not telephone speech . They are downsampled to eight kilohertz but {disfmarker} but they are not {vocalsound} uh with telephone bandwidth .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's really funny isn't it ? I mean cuz th this whole thing is for {pause} developing new standards for the telephone .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Telephone .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but the {disfmarker} the idea is to compute the feature before {pause} the {disfmarker} before sending them to the {disfmarker} Well , {pause} you don't {disfmarker} do not send speech , you send features , computed on th the {disfmarker} {pause} the device ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , I know , but the reason {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} Well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see , so your point is that it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Did you {pause} happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's wh that 's wh that 's what I meant .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I said {disfmarker} @ @ , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's an OGI language ID , not the {disfmarker} not the , uh {disfmarker} the CallFriend is a {disfmarker} is a , uh , LDC w thing , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yea - Yeah , there are also two other databases . One they call the multi - language database , and another one is a twenty - two language , something like that . But it 's also telephone speech .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , they are ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well , nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But I 'm not sure {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we ' r e e The bandwidth shouldn't be such an issue right ? Because e e this is downsampled and {disfmarker} and filtered , right ? So it 's just the fact that it 's not telephone . And there are so many other differences between these different databases . I mean some of this stuff 's recorded in the car , and some of it 's {disfmarker} I mean there 's {disfmarker} there 's many different acoustic differences . So I 'm not sure if {disfmarker} . I mean , unless we 're going to include a bunch of car recordings in the {disfmarker} in the training database , I 'm not sure if it 's {disfmarker} completely rules it out",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "if our {disfmarker} if we {disfmarker} if our major goal is to have phonetic context and you figure that there 's gonna be a mismatch in acoustic conditions does it make it much worse f to sort of add another mismatch , if you will .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , i i I {disfmarker} I guess the question is how important is it to {disfmarker} for us to get multiple languages uh , in there .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . {vocalsound} Um . Yeah . Well , actually , for the moment if we w do not want to use these phone databases , we {disfmarker} we already have uh {disfmarker} English , Spanish and French uh , with microphone speech . ",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's what you 're thinking of using is sort of the multi the equivalent of the multiple ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well . Yeah , for the multilingual part we were thinking of using these three databases .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And for the difference in phonetic context {pause} that you {disfmarker} ? Provide that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , this {disfmarker} Uh , actually , these three databases are um generic databases .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So w f for {disfmarker} for uh Italian , which is close to Spanish , French and , i i uh , TI - digits we have both uh , digits {pause} training data and also {pause} more general training data . So . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well , we also have this Broadcast News that we were talking about taking off the disk , which is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is microphone data for {disfmarker} for English .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , perhaps {disfmarker} yeah , there is also TIMIT .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We could use TIMIT .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , so there 's plenty of stuff around . OK , so anyway , th the basic plan is to , uh , test this cube . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "To fill in the cube .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "To fill i fill it in , yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and perhaps , um {disfmarker} {pause} We were thinking that perhaps the cross - language issue is not , uh , so big of a issue . Well , w w we {disfmarker} perhaps we should not focus too much on that cross - language stuff . I mean , uh , training {disfmarker} training a net on a language and testing a for another language .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . But that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Perhaps the most important is to have neural networks trained on the target languages . But , uh , with a general database {disfmarker} general databases . u So that th Well , the {disfmarker} the guy who has to develop an application with one language can use the net trained o on that language , or a generic net ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , depen it depen it depends how you mean \" using the net \" .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but not trained on a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , if you 're talking about for producing these discriminative features {pause} that we 're talking about {pause} you can't do that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} because the {disfmarker} what they 're asking for is {disfmarker} is a feature set . Right ? And so , uh , we 're the ones who have been weird by {disfmarker} by doing this training . But if we say , \" No , you have to have a different feature set for each language , \" I think this is ver gonna be very bad .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You think so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , in principle , I mean conceptually , it 's sort of like they want a re @ @ {comment} well , they want a replacement for mel cepstra .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , we say \" OK , this is the year two thousand , we 've got something much better than mel cepstra . It 's , you know , gobbledy - gook . \" OK ? And so {vocalsound} we give them these gobbledy - gook features but these gobbledy - gook features are supposed to be good for any language .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz you don't know who 's gonna call , and you know , I mean so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , uh {disfmarker} how do you know what language it is ? Somebody picks up the phone . So thi this is their image . Someone picks up the phone , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {comment} chh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and he {disfmarker} he picks up the ph",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but the {disfmarker} the application is {disfmarker} there is a target language for the application .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . y y y",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , if a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Well . But , no but , y you {disfmarker} you pick up the phone ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "you talk on the phone ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and it sends features out . OK , so the phone doesn't know what a {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what your language is .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if {disfmarker} Yeah . If it 's th in the phone , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But that 's the image that they have .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "well , it {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that could be th at the server 's side ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It could be ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and , well . Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but that 's the image they have , right ? So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I mean , one could argue all over the place about how things really will be in ten years . But the particular image that the cellular industry has right now is that it 's distributed speech recognition , where the , uh , uh , probabilistic part , and {disfmarker} and s semantics and so forth are all on the servers , and you compute features of the {disfmarker} uh , on the phone . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's what we 're involved in . We might {disfmarker} might or might not agree that that 's the way it will be in ten years , but that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's what they 're asking for . So {disfmarker} so I think that {disfmarker} th th it is an important issue whether it works cross - language . Now , it 's the OGI , uh , folks ' perspective right now that probably that 's not the biggest deal . And that the biggest deal is the , um envir acoustic - environment mismatch . And they may very well be right , but I {disfmarker} I was hoping we could just do a test and determine if that was true . If that 's true , we don't need to worry so much . Maybe {disfmarker} maybe we have a couple languages in the training set and that gives us enough breadth uh , uh , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that the rest doesn't matter . Um , the other thing is , uh , this notion of training to uh {disfmarker} which I {disfmarker} I guess they 're starting to look at up there , {comment} training to something more like articulatory features . Uh , and if you have something that 's just good for distinguishing different articulatory features that should just be good across , you know , a wide range of languages .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but {disfmarker} Yeah , so I don't th I know {disfmarker} unfortunately I don't {disfmarker} I see what you 're comi where you 're coming from , I think , but I don't think we can ignore it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} we really have to do test with a real cross - language . I mean , tr for instance training on English and testing on Italian , or {disfmarker} Or we can train {disfmarker} or else , uh , can we train a net on , uh , a range of languages and {disfmarker} which can include the test {disfmarker} the test @ @ the target language ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Test on an unseen .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , um , there 's {disfmarker} there 's , uh {disfmarker} This is complex . So , ultimately , uh , as I was saying , I think it doesn't fit within their image that you switch nets based on language . Now , can you include , uh , the {disfmarker} the target language ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , from a purist 's standpoint it 'd be nice not to because then you can say when {disfmarker} because surely someone is going to say at some point , \" OK , so you put in the German and the Finnish .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , now , what do you do , uh , when somebody has Portuguese ? \" you know ? Um , and {disfmarker} Uh , however , you aren't {disfmarker} it isn't actually a constraint in this evaluation . So I would say if it looks like there 's a big difference to put it in , then we 'd make note of it , and then we probably put in the other , because we have so many other problems in trying to get things to work well here that {disfmarker} that , you know , it 's not so bad as long as we {disfmarker} we note it and say , \" Look , we did do this \" .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And so , ideally , what you 'd wanna do is you 'd wanna run it with and without the target language and the training set for a wide range of languages .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , perhaps . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "And that way you can say , \" Well , \" you know , \" we 're gonna build it for what we think are {pause} the most common ones \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but if that {disfmarker} somebody uses it with a different language , you know , \" here 's what 's you 're l here 's what 's likely to happen . \"",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cuz the truth is , is that it 's {disfmarker} it 's not like there are {disfmarker} I mean , al although there are thousands of languages , uh , from uh , uh , the point of view of cellular companies , there aren't .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , there 's fifty or something , you know ? So , uh , an and they aren't {disfmarker} you know , with the exception of Finnish , which I guess it 's pretty different from most {disfmarker} most things . uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} most of them are like at least some of the others . And so , our guess that Spanish is like Italian , and {disfmarker} and so on . I guess Finnish is a {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is a little bit like Hungarian , supposedly , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know anything about Finnish .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or is {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} well , I kn oh , well I know that H uh , H I mean , I 'm not a linguist , but I guess Hungarian and Finnish and one of the {disfmarker} one of the languages from the former Soviet Union are in this sort of same family .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But they 're just these , you know , uh {disfmarker} countries that are pretty far apart from one another , have {disfmarker} I guess , people rode in on horses and brought their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , my turn .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Your turn .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Um , Let 's see , I {disfmarker} I spent the last week , uh , looking over Stephane 's shoulder . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and understanding some of the data . I re - installed , um , um , HTK , the free version , so , um , everybody 's now using three point O , which is the same version that , uh , OGI is using .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , without {disfmarker} without any licensing big deals , or anything like that . And , um , so we 've been talking about this {disfmarker} this , uh , cube thing , and it 's beginning more and more looking like the , uh , the Borge cube thing . It 's really gargantuan . Um , but I I 'm {disfmarker} Am I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So are {disfmarker} are you going to be assimilated ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Resistance is futile .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Um , yeah , so I I 've been looking at , uh , uh , TIMIT stuff . Um , the {disfmarker} the stuff that we 've been working on with TIMIT , trying to get a , um {disfmarker} a labels file so we can , uh , train up a {disfmarker} train up a net on TIMIT and test , um , the difference between this net trained on TIMIT and a net trained on digits alone . Um , and seeing if {disfmarker} if it hurts or helps .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And again , when y just to clarify , when you 're talking about training up a net , you 're talking about training up a net for a tandem approach ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Um . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and the inputs are PLP and delta and that sort of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the inputs are one dimension of the cube ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "which , um , we 've talked about it being , uh , PLP , um , M F C Cs , um , J - JRASTA , JRASTA - LDA {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but your initial things you 're making one choice there ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Which is PLP , or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , I {disfmarker} I haven't {disfmarker} I haven't decided on {disfmarker} on the initial thing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Probably {disfmarker} probably something like PLP . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , so {disfmarker} so you take PLP and you {disfmarker} you , uh , do it {disfmarker} uh , you {disfmarker} you , uh , use HTK with it with the transformed features using a neural net that 's trained . And the training could either be from Digits itself or from TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And that 's the {disfmarker} and , and th and then the testing would be these other things which {disfmarker} which {disfmarker} which might be foreign language .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I see . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I get in the picture about the cube .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , I mean , those listening to this will not have a picture either , so , um , I guess I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not any worse off . But but at some point {disfmarker} somebody should just show me the cube . It sounds s I {disfmarker} I get {disfmarker} I think I get the general idea of it ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , when you said that you were getting the labels for TIMIT , {comment} um , are y what do you mean by that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "b May Mm - hmm . Oh , I 'm just {disfmarker} I 'm just , uh , transforming them from the , um , the standard TIMIT transcriptions into {disfmarker} into a nice long huge P - file to do training .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Were the digits , um , hand - labeled for phones ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , the {disfmarker} the digits {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or were they {disfmarker} those labels automatically derived ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , those were {disfmarker} those were automatically derived by {disfmarker} by Dan using , um , embedded {disfmarker} embedded training and alignment .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Ah , but which Dan ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Ellis . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I was just wondering because that test you 're t",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think you 're doing this test because you want to determine whether or not , uh , having s general speech performs as well as having specific {pause} speech .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , especially when you go over the different languages again , because you 'd {disfmarker} the different languages have different words for the different digits ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And I was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah , so I was just wondering if the fact that TIMIT {disfmarker} you 're using the hand - labeled stuff from TIMIT might be {disfmarker} confuse the results that you get .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it would , but {disfmarker} but on the other hand it might be better .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right , but if it 's better , it may be better because {pause} it was hand - labeled .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , but still @ @ probably use it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you know , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess I 'm sounding cavalier , but I mean , I think the point is you have , uh , a bunch of labels and {disfmarker} and they 're han hand uh {disfmarker} hand - marked . Uh , I guess , actually , TIMIT was not entirely hand - marked . It was automatically first , and then hand {disfmarker} hand - corrected .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , um , uh , it {disfmarker} it , um , it might be a better source . So , i it 's {disfmarker} you 're right . It would be another interesting scientific question to ask , \" Is it because it 's a broad source or because it was , you know , carefully ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh . And that 's something you could ask , but given limited time , I think the main thing is if it 's a better thing for going across languages on this training tandem system ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "then it 's probably {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What about the differences in the phone sets ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , between languages ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , between TIMIT and the {disfmarker} the digits .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um , right . Well , there 's a mapping from the sixty - one phonemes in TIMIT to {disfmarker} to fifty - six , the ICSI fifty - six .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Sixty - one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then the digits phonemes , um , there 's about twenty twenty - two or twenty - four of them ? Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Out of that fifty - six ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Out of that fifty - six .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , it 's {disfmarker} it 's definitely broader , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But , actually , the issue of phoneti phon uh phone phoneme mappings will arise when we will do severa use several languages",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because you {disfmarker} Well , some phonemes are not , uh , in every languages , and {disfmarker} So we plan to develop a subset of the phonemes , uh , that includes , uh , all the phonemes of our training languages ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and use a network with kind of one hundred outputs or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . You mean a superset , sort of .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "superset ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I th I looks the SAMPA SAMPA phone .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "SAMPA phone ? For English {disfmarker} uh American English , and the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the language who have more phone are the English .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Of the {disfmarker} these language . But n for example , in Spain , the Spanish have several phone that d doesn't appear in the E English and we thought to complete . But for that , it needs {disfmarker} we must r h do a lot of work {vocalsound} because we need to generate new tran transcription for the database that we have .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Other than the language , is there a reason not to use the TIMIT phone set ? Cuz it 's larger ? As opposed to the ICSI {pause} phone set ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you mean why map the sixty - one to the fifty - six ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , I forget if that happened starting with you , or was it {disfmarker} o or if it was Eric , afterwards who did that . But I think , basically , there were several of the phones that were just hardly ever there .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I think some of them , they were making distinctions between silence at the end and silence at the beginning , when really they 're {pause} both silence .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I th I think it was things like that that got it mapped down to fifty - six .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , especially in a system like ours , which is a discriminative system . You know , you 're really asking this net to learn .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's kind of hard .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "There 's not much difference , really . And {pause} the ones that are gone , I think are {disfmarker} I think there was {disfmarker} they also in TIMIT had like a glottal stop , which was basically a short period of silence ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and so .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we have that now , too , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "i It 's actually pretty common that a lot of the recognition systems people use have things like {disfmarker} like , say thirty - nine , phone symbols , right ? Uh , and then they get the variety by {disfmarker} by bringing in the context , the phonetic context . Uh . So we actually have an unusually large number in {disfmarker} in what we tend to use here . Um . So , a a actually {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} now you 've got me sort of intrigued . What {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} Can you describe what {disfmarker} what 's on the cube ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w I th I think that 's a good idea",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "to {disfmarker} to talk about the whole cube",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and maybe we could sections in the cube for people to work on .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , OK . Uh , do you wanna do it ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so even {disfmarker} even though the meeting recorder doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't , uh {disfmarker} and since you 're not running a video camera we won't get this , but if you use a board it 'll help us anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , point out one of the limitations of this {vocalsound} medium ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but you 've got the wireless on ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I have the wireless .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ? Yeah , so you can walk around .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Can y can you walk around too ? No . OK , well , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , he can't , actually , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "s basically , the {disfmarker} the cube will have three dimensions .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "He 's tethered .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The first dimension is the {disfmarker} the features that we 're going to use . And the second dimension , um , is the training corpus . And that 's the training on the discriminant neural net . Um and the last dimension happens to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and again {disfmarker} Yeah . So the {disfmarker} the training for HTK is always {disfmarker} that 's always set up for the individual test , right ? That there 's some training data and some test data . So that 's different than this .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right , right . This is {disfmarker} this is for {disfmarker} for ANN only . And , yeah , the training for the HTK models is always , uh , fixed for whatever language you 're testing on .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And then , there 's the testing corpus . So , then I think it 's probably instructive to go and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and show you the features that we were talking about . Um , so , let 's see . Help me out with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "PLP .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "With what ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "PLP .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "PLP ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "MSG .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "MSG .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , JRASTA .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "JRASTA .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And JRASTA - LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "JRASTA - LDA .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , multi - band .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Multi - band .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So there would be multi - band before , um {disfmarker} before our network , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just the multi - band features , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Ah . Ah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , something like , uh , s TCT within bands and {disfmarker} Well . And then multi - band after networks . Meaning that we would have , uh , neural networks , uh , discriminant neural networks for each band . Uh , yeah . And using the {disfmarker} the outputs of these networks or the linear outputs or something like that . Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "What about mel cepstrum ? Or is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "you don't include that because it 's part of the base or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah databases .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , y you do have a baseline system that 's m that 's mel cepstra ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , well , not for the {disfmarker} the ANN . I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , we could {disfmarker} we could add {pause} MFCC also .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "We could add {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Probably should . I mean at least {disfmarker} at least conceptually , you know , it doesn't meant you actually have to do it ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but conceptually it makes sense as a {disfmarker} as a base line .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 'd be an interesting test just to have {disfmarker} just to do MFCC with the neural net",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Without the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and everything else the same .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Compare that with just M - MFCC without the {disfmarker} the net .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} I think Dan did some of that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , in his previous Aurora experiments . And with the net it 's {disfmarker} it 's wonderful . Without the net it 's just baseline .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think OGI folks have been doing that , too . D Because I think that for a bunch of their experiments they used , uh , mel cepstra , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , of course that 's there and this is here and so on . OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , for the training corpus {disfmarker} corpus , um , we have , um , the {disfmarker} the d {pause} digits {nonvocalsound} from the various languages . Um , English Spanish um , French What else do we have ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And the {pause} Finnish .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Finnish .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Where did th where did that come from ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , Italian no . Italian no .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Italian .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I Italian yes . Italian ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Italian .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} Was that distributed with Aurora , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "One L or two L 's ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Where did that {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The newer one .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So English , uh , Finnish and Italian are Aurora .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And Spanish and French is something that we can use in addition to Aurora . Uh , well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so Carmen brought the Spanish , and Stephane brought the French .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . And , um , oh yeah , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is it French French or Belgian French ? There 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh , French French .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "French French .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Like Mexican Spain and Spain .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Or Swiss .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think that is more important ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Swiss - German .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mexican Spain . Because more people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , probably so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , Herve always insists that Belgian is {disfmarker} i is absolutely pure French , has nothing to do with {disfmarker} but he says those {disfmarker} those {disfmarker} those Parisians talk funny .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah . They have an accent .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah they {disfmarker} they do , yeah . Yeah . {pause} But then he likes Belgian fries too , so . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And then we have , uh , um , broader {disfmarker} broader corpus , um , like TIMIT . TIMIT so far ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And Spanish too .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? Spanish {disfmarker} Oh , Spanish stories ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Albayzin is the name .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What about TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , TI - digits {disfmarker} uh all these Aurora f d data p data is from {disfmarker} is derived from TI - digits .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Oh . Oh OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , basically , they {disfmarker} they corrupted it with , uh , different kinds of noises at different SNR levels .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Ah . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "y And I think Stephane was saying there 's {disfmarker} there 's some broader s material in the French also ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we cou we could use {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The French data .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Spanish stories ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sp - Not Spanish stories ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No . No . Albayz",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Spanish {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Spanish something .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Did the Aurora people actually corrupt it themselves , or just specify the signal and the signal - t",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "They {disfmarker} they corrupted it , um , themselves ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but they also included the {disfmarker} the noise files for us , right ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so we can go ahead and corrupt other things .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just curious , Carmen {disfmarker} I mean , I couldn't tell if you were joking or {disfmarker} i Is it {disfmarker} is it Mexican Spanish ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No no no no .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No no no no .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no , no . It 's {disfmarker} it 's Spanish from Spain , Spanish .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Spanish from Spain .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "From Spain .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Spanish from Spain . Yeah , we 're really covered there now . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And the French from France .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} No , the French is f yeah , from , uh , Paris ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , from Paris , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "And TIMIT 's from {pause} lots of different places .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "From TI . From {disfmarker} i It 's from Texas . So may maybe it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "From the deep South .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So - s so it 's not really from the US either .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} ? OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . And , um , with within the training corporas um , we 're , uh , thinking about , um , training with noise . So , incorporating the same kinds of noises that , um , Aurora is in incorporating in their , um {disfmarker} in their training corpus . Um , I don't think we we 're given the , uh {disfmarker} the unseen noise conditions , though , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think what they were saying was that , um , for this next test there 's gonna be some of the cases where they have the same type of noise as you were given before hand and some cases where you 're not .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , presumably , that 'll be part of the topic of analysis of the {disfmarker} the test results , is how well you do when it 's matching noise and how well you do where it 's not .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I think that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , I guess we can't train on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} the unseen noise conditions .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , not if it 's not seen ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . If {disfmarker} Not if it 's unseen .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . I mean , i i i i it does seem to me that a lot of times when you train with something that 's at least a little bit noisy it can {disfmarker} it can help you out in other kinds of noise even if it 's not matching just because there 's some more variance that you 've built into things . But , but , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "uh , exactly how well it will work will depend on how near it is to what you had ahead of time . So . OK , so that 's your training corpus ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and then your testing corpus {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , the testing corporas are , um , just , um , the same ones as Aurora testing . And , that includes , um , the English Spa - um , Italian . Finnish .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Finnish .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we ' r we 're gonna get German , right ? Ge - {comment} At the final test will have German .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , so , yeah , the final test , on a guess , is supposed to be German and Danish ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The s yeah , the Spanish , perhaps ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Spanish . Oh yeah , we can {disfmarker} we can test on s Spanish .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "we will have . Yeah . But the {disfmarker} the Aurora Spanish , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , there 's a {disfmarker} there 's Spanish testing in the Aurora ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , not yet , but , uh , yeah , uh , e",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's preparing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "pre they are preparing it ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "They are preparing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , well , according to Hynek it will be {disfmarker} we will have this at the end of November , or {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK , so , uh , something like seven things in each , uh {disfmarker} each column .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's , uh , three hundred and forty - three , uh , {vocalsound} different systems that are going to be developed . There 's three of you .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . One hundred each , about .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so that 's hundred and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hundred and fourteen each .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What a what about noise conditions ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "w Don't we need to put in the column for noise conditions ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Are you just trying to be difficult ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No , I just don't understand .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Well , th uh , when {disfmarker} when I put these testings on there , I 'm assumi",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just kidding . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "There - there 's three {disfmarker} three tests . Um , type - A , type - B , and type - C . And they 're all {disfmarker} they 're all gonna be test tested , um , with one training of the HTK system . Um , there 's a script that tests all three different types of noise conditions . Test - A is like a matched noise . Test - B is a {disfmarker} is a slightly mismatched . And test - C is a , um , mismatched channel .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And do we do all our {pause} training on clean data ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , no , no ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Also , we can clean that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "we 're {disfmarker} we 're gonna be , um , training on the noise files that we do have .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker} Yeah , so I guess the question is how long does it take to do a {disfmarker} a training ? I mean , it 's not totally crazy t I mean , these are {disfmarker} a lot of these are built - in things and we know {disfmarker} we have programs that compute PLP , we have MSG , we have JRA you know , a lot of these things will just kind of happen , won't take uh a huge amount of development , it 's just trying it out . So , we actually can do quite a few experiments .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But how {disfmarker} how long does it take , do we think , for one of these {pause} {comment} trainings ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good question .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What about combinations of things ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , that 's right . I mean , cuz , so , for instance , I think the major advantage of MSG {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Och !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "good point . A major advantage of MSG , I see , th that we 've seen in the past is combined with PLP .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Now , this is turning into a four - dimensional cube ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you just select multiple things on the one dimension .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or you just add it to the features .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Here .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , I mean , you don't wanna , uh {disfmarker} Let 's see , seven choose two would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} be , uh , twenty - one different combinations . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's not a complete set of combinations , though ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Probably {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "right ? It 's not a complete set of combinations , though ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I hope not . Yeah , there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , so PLP and MSG I think we definitely wanna try cuz we 've had a lot of good experience with putting those together .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "When you do that , you 're increasing the size of the inputs to the net . Do you have to reduce the hidden layer , or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , so {disfmarker} I mean , so i it doesn't increase the number of trainings .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No , no , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just wondering about number of parameters in the net . Do you have to worry about keeping that the same , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't think so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "There 's a computation limit , though , isn't there ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , it 's just more compu Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Isn't there like a limit {pause} on the computation load , or d latency , or something like that for Aurora task ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , we haven't talked about any of that at all , have we ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , there 's not really a limit . What it is is that there 's {disfmarker} there 's , uh {disfmarker} it 's just penalty , you know ? That {disfmarker} that if you 're using , uh , a megabyte , then they 'll say that 's very nice , but , of course , it will never go on a cheap cell phone .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um . And , u uh , I think the computation isn't so much of a problem . I think it 's more the memory . Uh , and , expensive cell phones , exa expensive hand - helds , and so forth , are gonna have lots of memory . So it 's just that , uh , these people see the {disfmarker} the cheap cell phones as being still the biggest market , so .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um . But , yeah , I was just realizing that , actually , it doesn't explode out , um {disfmarker} It 's not really two to the seventh . But it 's {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} i i it doesn't really explode out the number of trainings cuz these were all trained individually . Right ? So , uh , if you have all of these nets trained some place , then , uh , you can combine their outputs and do the KL transformation and so forth",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} So , what it {disfmarker} it blows out is the number of uh testings . And , you know {disfmarker} and the number of times you do that last part . But that last part , I think , is so {disfmarker} has gotta be pretty quick , so . Uh . Right ? I mean , it 's just running the data through {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But wh what about a net that 's trained on multiple languages , though ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you gotta do the KL transformation ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Eight {disfmarker} y",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is that just separate nets for each language then combined , or is that actually one net trained on ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Necessary to put in .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good question .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , probably one net . Well . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "One would think one net ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "but we 've {disfmarker} I don't think we 've tested that . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , in the broader training corpus we can {disfmarker} we can use , uh , the three , or , a combination of {disfmarker} of two {disfmarker} two languages .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Database three .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "In one net . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , I guess the first thing is if w if we know how much a {disfmarker} how long a {disfmarker} a training takes , if we can train up all these {disfmarker} these combinations , uh , then we can start working on testing of them individually , and in combination . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Because the putting them in combination , I think , is not as much computationally as the r training of the nets in the first place . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So y you do have to compute the KL transformation . Uh , which is a little bit , but it 's not too much .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's not too much ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "no .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . But there is the testing also , which implies training , uh , the HTK models",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the model {disfmarker} the HTK model .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , well ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . So if you do have lots of combinations , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "yeah . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not so long . It @ @ {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "How long does it take for an , uh , HTK training ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's around six hours , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It depends on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "For training and testing , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "More than six hours .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "More .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "For the Italian , yes . Maybe one day .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "One day ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "For HTK ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Really ? Running on what ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , M {disfmarker} MFCC .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'm sorry , ru running on what machine ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Ravioli .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't know what Ravioli is . Is it {disfmarker} is it an Ultra - five , or is it a {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "mmm Um . Who is that ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what a Ravioli is .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We can check really quickly , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I think it 's - it 's - it 's not so long because , well , the TI - digits test data is about , uh how many hours ? Uh , th uh , thirty hours of speech , I think ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a few hours .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Right ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "something like that . And it p Well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "so , I mean , clearly , there {disfmarker} there 's no way we can even begin to do an any significant amount here unless we use multiple machines .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's six hours .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} w we {disfmarker} I mean there 's plenty of machines here and they 're n they 're often not in {disfmarker} in a great {disfmarker} great deal of use . So , I mean , I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's key that {disfmarker} that the {disfmarker} that you look at , uh , you know , what machines are fast , what machines are used a lot {disfmarker} Uh , are we still using P - make ? Is that {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I don't know how w how we would P - make this , though . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , you have a {disfmarker} I mean , once you get the basic thing set up , you have just all the {disfmarker} uh , a all these combinations ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} let 's say it 's six hours or eight hours , or something for the training of HTK . How long is it for training of {disfmarker} of , uh , the neural net ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The neural net ? Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I would say two days .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Depends on the corpuses , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It depends .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It s also depends on the net .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Depends on the corpus .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How big is the net ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "For Albayzin I trained on neural network , uh , was , um , one day also .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but on what machine ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "On a SPERT board .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I {disfmarker} I think the neural net SPERT .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Y you did a {disfmarker} you did it on a SPERT board .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , again , we do have a bunch of SPERT boards .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And I think there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} I think you folks are probably go the ones using them right now .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is it faster to do it on the SPERT , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's still a little faster on the",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Used to be .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Is it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Ad - Adam {disfmarker} Adam did some testing . Or either Adam or {disfmarker} or Dan did some testing and they found that the SPERT board 's still {disfmarker} still faster .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the benefits is that , you know , you run out of SPERT and then you can do other things on your {disfmarker} your computer ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and you don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So you could be {disfmarker} we have quite a few SPERT boards . You could set up , uh , you know , ten different jobs , or something , to run on SPERT {disfmarker} different SPERT boards and {disfmarker} and have ten other jobs running on different computers . So , it 's got to take that sort of thing , or {disfmarker} or we 're not going to get through any significant number of these .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": " So this is {disfmarker} Yeah , I mean , I kind of like this because what it {disfmarker} No {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "uh , no , what I like about it is we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we do have a problem that we have very limited time . You know , so , with very limited time , we actually have really quite a {disfmarker} quite a bit of computational resource available if you , you know , get a look across the institute and how little things are being used . And uh , on the other hand , almost anything that really i you know , is {disfmarker} is new , where we 're saying , \" Well , let 's look at , like we were talking before about , uh , uh , voiced - unvoiced - silence detection features and all those sort {disfmarker} \" that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's a great thing to go to . But if it 's new , then we have this development and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and learning process t to {disfmarker} to go through on top of {disfmarker} just the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} all the {disfmarker} all the work . So , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't see how we 'd do it . So what I like about this is you basically have listed all the things that we already know how to do .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and all the kinds of data that we , at this point , already have . And , uh , you 're just saying let 's look at the outer product of all of these things and see if we can calculate them . a a Am I {disfmarker} am I interpreting this correctly ? Is this sort of what {disfmarker} what you 're thinking of doing in the short term ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so then I think it 's just the {disfmarker} the missing piece is that you need to , uh , you know {disfmarker} you know , talk to {disfmarker} talk to , uh , Chuck , talk to , uh , Adam , uh , sort out about , uh , what 's the best way to really , you know , attack this as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a mass problem in terms of using many machines . Uh , and uh , then , you know , set it up in terms of scripts and so forth , and {disfmarker} uh , in {disfmarker} in kind o some kind of structured way . Uh . Um , and , you know , when we go to , uh , OGI next week , uh , we can then present to them , you know , what it is that we 're doing . And , uh , we can pull things out of this list that we think they are doing sufficiently ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "that , you know , we 're not {disfmarker} we won't be contributing that much . Um . And , uh {disfmarker} Then , uh , like , we 're there .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "How big are the nets you 're using ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , for the {disfmarker} for nets trained on digits , {comment} um , we have been using , uh , four hundred order hidden units . And , um , for the broader class nets we 're {disfmarker} we 're going to increase that because the , um , the digits nets only correspond to about twenty phonemes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Broader class ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , the broader {disfmarker} broader training corpus nets like TIMIT . Um , w we 're gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's not actually broader class , it 's actually finer class , but you mean {disfmarker} y You mean {vocalsound} more classes .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Yeah . More classes . Right , right . More classes .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I mean .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Carmen , did you {disfmarker} do you have something else to add ? We {disfmarker} you haven't talked too much , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "D I begin to work with the Italian database to {disfmarker} nnn , to {disfmarker} with the f front - end and with the HTK program and the @ @ . And I trained eh , with the Spanish two neural network with PLP and with LogRASTA PLP . I don't know exactly what is better if {disfmarker} if LogRASTA or JRASTA .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , um , JRASTA has the potential to do better , but it doesn't always . It 's {disfmarker} i i JRASTA is more complicated . It 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} instead of doing RASTA with a log , you 're doing RASTA with a log - like function that varies depending on a J parameter , uh , which is supposed to be sensitive to the amount of noise there is . So , it 's sort of like the right transformation to do the filtering in , is dependent on how much noise there is .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so in JRASTA you attempt to do that . It 's a little complicated because once you do that , you end up in some funny domain and you end up having to do a transformation afterwards , which requires some tables . And , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little messier , uh , there 's more ways that it can go wrong , uh , but if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you 're careful with it , it can do better .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "It 's a bit {disfmarker} I 'll do better .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , it 's {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , and I think to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to recognize the Italian digits with the neural netw Spanish neural network , and also to train another neural network with the Spanish digits , the database of Spanish digits . And I working that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But prepa to prepare the {disfmarker} the database are difficult . Was for me , n it was a difficult work last week with the labels because the {disfmarker} the program with the label obtained that I have , the Albayzin , is different w to the label to train the neural network . And {pause} {vocalsound} that is another work that we must to do , to {disfmarker} to change .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I didn't understand .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , for example Albayzin database was labeled automatically with HTK . It 's not hand {disfmarker} it 's not labels by hand .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , \" l labeled \" .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Labels .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I have a p I had a problem with {vocalsound} the pronunciation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry . The labels . I 'm sorry . The labels .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , also that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , OK , so let 's start over .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , TI TIMI TIMIT 's hand - labeled , and {disfmarker} and you 're saying about the Spanish ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "The Spanish labels ? That was in different format , that the format for the em {disfmarker} the program to train the neural network .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I necessary to convert . And someti well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you 're just having a problem converting the labels .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , but n yes , because they have one program , Feacalc , but no , l LabeCut , l LabeCut , but don't {disfmarker} doesn't , eh , include the HTK format to convert .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And , I don't know what . I ask {disfmarker} e even I ask to Dan Ellis what I can do that , and h they {disfmarker} he say me that h he does doesn't any {disfmarker} any s any form to {disfmarker} to do that . And at the end , I think that with LabeCut I can transfer to ASCII format , and HTK is an ASCII format . And I m do another , uh , one program to put ASCII format of HTK to ase ay ac ASCII format to Exceed",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and they used LabCut to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to pass .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Actually that was complicated ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "but well , I know how we can did that {disfmarker} do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sure . So it 's just usual kind of uh {disfmarker} sometimes say housekeeping , right ? To get these {disfmarker} get these things sorted out .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it seems like there 's {disfmarker} there 's some peculiarities of the , uh {disfmarker} of each of these dimensions that are getting sorted out . And then , um , if {disfmarker} if you work on getting the , uh , assembly lines together , and then the {disfmarker} the pieces sort of get ready to go into the assembly line and gradually can start , you know , start turning the crank , more or less . And , uh , uh , we have a lot more computational capability here than they do at OGI , so I think that i if {disfmarker} What 's {disfmarker} what 's great about this is it sets it up in a very systematic way , so that , uh , once these {disfmarker} all of these , you know , mundane but real problems get sorted out , we can just start turning the crank",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and push all of us through , and then finally figure out what 's best .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , I {disfmarker} I was thinking two things . Uh , the first thing was , um {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we actually had thought of this as sort of like , um {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not in stages , {comment} but more along the {disfmarker} the time axis . Just kind of like one stream at a time ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "je - je - je - je - je {comment} check out the results and {disfmarker} and go that way .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , yeah , sure . No , I 'm just saying , I 'm just thinking of it like loops ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ? And so , y y y if you had three nested loops , that you have a choice for this , a choice for this , and a choice for that ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ? And you 're going through them all . That {disfmarker} that 's what I meant .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , the thing is that once you get a better handle on how much you can realistically do , uh , um , {vocalsound} concurrently on different machines , different SPERTs , and so forth , uh , and you see how long it takes on what machine and so forth , you can stand back from it and say , \" OK , if we look at all these combinations we 're talking about , and combinations of combinations , and so forth , \" you 'll probably find you can't do it all .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so then at that point , uh , we should sort out which ones do we throw away .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Which of the combinations across {disfmarker} you know , what are the most likely ones , and {disfmarker} And , uh , I still think we could do a lot of them . I mean , it wouldn't surprise me if we could do a hundred of them or something . But , probably when you include all the combinations , you 're actually talking about a thousand of them or something , and that 's probably more than we can do . Uh , but a hundred is a lot . And {disfmarker} and , uh , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and the {disfmarker} the second thing was about scratch space . And I think you sent an email about , um , e scratch space for {disfmarker} for people to work on . And I know that , uh , Stephane 's working from an NT machine , so his {disfmarker} his home directory exists somewhere else .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "His {disfmarker} his stuff is somewhere else , yeah . Yeah , I mean , my point I {disfmarker} I want to {disfmarker} Yeah , thanks for bring it back to that . My {disfmarker} th I want to clarify my point about that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that Chuck repeated in his note . Um . We 're {disfmarker} over the next year or two , we 're gonna be upgrading the networks in this place ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but right now they 're still all te pretty much all ten megabit lines . And we have reached the {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} the machines are getting faster and faster . So , it actually has reached the point where it 's a significant drag on the time for something to move the data from one place to another .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , you {disfmarker} you don't w especially in something with repetitive computation where you 're going over it multiple times , you do {disfmarker} don't want to have the {disfmarker} the data that you 're working on distant from where it 's being {disfmarker} where the computation 's being done if you can help it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Now , we are getting more disk for the central file server , which , since it 's not a computational server , would seem to be a contradiction to what I just said . But the idea is that , uh , suppose you 're working with , uh , this big bunch of multi multilingual databases . Um , you put them all in the central ser at the cen central file server .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Then , when you 're working with something and accessing it many times , you copy the piece of it that you 're working with over to some place that 's close to where the computation is and then do all the work there . And then that way you {disfmarker} you won't have the {disfmarker} the network {disfmarker} you won't be clogging the network for yourself and others .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's the idea . So , uh , it 's gonna take us {disfmarker} It may be too late for this , uh , p precise crunch we 're in now , but , uh , we 're , uh {disfmarker} It 's gonna take us a couple weeks at least to get the , uh , uh , the amount of disk we 're gonna be getting . We 're actually gonna get , uh , I think four more , uh , thirty - six gigabyte drives and , uh , put them on another {disfmarker} another disk rack . We ran out of space on the disk rack that we had , so we 're getting another disk rack and {vocalsound} four more drives to share between , uh {disfmarker} primarily between this project and the Meetings {disfmarker} Meetings Project . Um . But , uh , we 've put another {disfmarker} I guess there 's another eighteen gigabytes that 's {disfmarker} that 's in there now to help us with the immediate crunch . But , uh , are you saying {disfmarker} So I don't know where {pause} you 're {disfmarker} Stephane , where you 're doing your computations . If {disfmarker} i so , you 're on an NT machine , so you 're using some external machine",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it , uh {disfmarker} Well , to {disfmarker} It 's Nutmeg and Mustard , I think , ",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Do you know these yet ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what kind .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Nuh - uh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . Uh , are these {disfmarker} are these , uh , computational servers , or something ? I 'm {disfmarker} I 've been kind of out of it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think , yeah . I think so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Unfortunately , these days my idea of running comput of computa doing computation is running a spread sheet .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , haven't been {disfmarker} haven't been doing much computing personally , so . Um . Yeah , so those are computational servers . So I guess the other question is what disk there i space there is there on the computational servers .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , I 'm not sure what 's available on {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker} you said Nutmeg and what was the other one ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mustard .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Mustard . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Well , you 're the {disfmarker} you 're the disk czar now .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'll check on that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , so basically , uh , Chuck will be the one who will be sorting out what disk needs to be where , and so on , and I 'll be the one who says , \" OK , spend the money . \" So . {vocalsound} Which , I mean , n these days , uh , if you 're talking about scratch space , it doesn't increase the , uh , need for backup , and , uh , I think it 's not that big a d and the {disfmarker} the disks themselves are not that expensive . Right now it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What you can do , when you 're on that machine , is , uh , just go to the slash - scratch directory , and do a DF minus K , and it 'll tell you if there 's space available .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and if there is then , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But wasn't it , uh {disfmarker} I think Dave was saying that he preferred that people didn't put stuff in slash - scratch . It 's more putting in d s XA or XB or ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's different {disfmarker} there , um , there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So there 's the slash - X - whatever disks , and then there 's slash - scratch . And both of those two kinds are not backed up . And if it 's called \" slash - scratch \" , it means it 's probably an internal disk to the machine . Um . And so that 's the kind of thing where , like if {disfmarker} um , OK , if you don't have an NT , but you have a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a Unix workstation , and they attach an external disk , {comment} it 'll be called \" slash - X - something \" uh , if it 's not backed up and it 'll be \" slash - D - something \" if it is backed up . And if it 's inside the machine on the desk , it 's called \" slash - scratch \" . But the problem is , if you ever get a new machine , they take your machine away . It 's easy to unhook the external disks , put them back on the new machine , but then your slash - scratch is gone . So , you don't wanna put anything in slash - scratch that you wanna keep around for a long period of time . But if it 's a copy of , say , some data that 's on a server , you can put it on slash - scratch because , um , first of all it 's not backed up , and second it doesn't matter if that machine disappears and you get a new machine because you just recopy it to slash - scratch . So tha that 's why I was saying you could check slash - scratch on those {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on , um , Mustard and {disfmarker} and Nutmeg to see if {disfmarker} if there 's space that you could use there .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "You could also use slash - X - whatever disks on Mustard and Nutmeg .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah , and we do have {disfmarker} I mean , yeah , so {disfmarker} so you {disfmarker} yeah , it 's better to have things local if you 're gonna run over them lots of times so you don't have to go to the network .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right , so es so especially if you 're {disfmarker} right , if you 're {disfmarker} if you 're taking some piece of the training corpus , which usually resides in where Chuck is putting it all on the {disfmarker} on the , uh , file server , uh , then , yeah , it 's fine if it 's not backed up because if it g g gets wiped out or something , y I mean it is backed up on the other disk . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , {vocalsound} one of the things that I need to {disfmarker} I 've started looking at {disfmarker} Uh , is this the appropriate time to talk about the disk space stuff ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 've started looking at , um , disk space . Dan {disfmarker} David , um , put a new , um , drive onto Abbott , that 's an X disk , which means it 's not backed up . So , um , I 've been going through and copying data that is , you know , some kind of corpus stuff usually , that {disfmarker} that we 've got on a CD - ROM or something , onto that new disk to free up space {pause} on other disks . And , um , so far , um , I 've copied a couple of Carmen 's , um , databases over there . We haven't deleted them off of the slash - DC disk that they 're on right now in Abbott , um , uh , but we {disfmarker} I would like to go through {disfmarker} sit down with you about some of these other ones and see if we can move them onto , um , this new disk also . There 's {disfmarker} there 's a lot more space there ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and it 'll free up more space for doing the experiments and things . So , anything that {disfmarker} that you don't need backed up , we can put on this new disk . Um , but if it 's experiments and you 're creating files and things that you 're gonna need , you probably wanna have those on a disk that 's backed up , just in case something {comment} goes wrong . So . Um So far I 've {disfmarker} I 've copied a couple of things , but I haven't deleted anything off of the old disk to make room yet . Um , and I haven't looked at the {disfmarker} any of the Aurora stuff , except for the Spanish . So I {disfmarker} I guess I 'll need to get together with you and see what data we can move onto the new disk .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} an another question occurred to me is {disfmarker} is what were you folks planning to do about normalization ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , we were thinking about using this systematically for all the experiments . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "This being {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , but {disfmarker} Uh . So that this could be another dimension , but we think perhaps we can use the {disfmarker} the best , uh , um , uh , normalization scheme as OGI is using , so , with parameters that they use there , ",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "u {vocalsound} u",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I mean it 's i i we {disfmarker} we seem to have enough dimensions as it is . So probably if we {vocalsound} sort of take their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "probably the on - line {disfmarker} line normalization because then it {disfmarker} {comment} it 's {disfmarker} if we do anything else , we 're gonna end up having to do on - line normalization too , so we may as well just do on - line normalization .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "So . Um . So that it 's plausible for the final thing . Good . Um . So , I guess , yeah , th the other topic {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} maybe we 're already there , or almost there , is goals for the {disfmarker} for next week 's meeting . Uh . i i i it seems to me that we wanna do is flush out what you put on the board here . Uh . You know , maybe , have it be somewhat visual , a little bit .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Like a s like a slide ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so w we can say what we 're doing ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . And , um , also , if you have {pause} sorted out , um , this information about how long i roughly how long it takes to do on what and , you know , what we can {disfmarker} how many of these trainings , uh , uh , and testings and so forth that we can realistically do , uh , then one of the big goals of going there next week would be to {disfmarker} to actually settle on which of them we 're gonna do . And , uh , when we come back we can charge in and do it . Um . Anything else that {disfmarker} I a a Actually {disfmarker} started out this {disfmarker} this field trip started off with {disfmarker} with , uh , Stephane talking to Hynek , so you may have {disfmarker} you may have had other goals , uh , for going up , and any anything else you can think of would be {disfmarker} we should think about {pause} accomplishing ? I mean , I 'm just saying this because {pause} maybe there 's things we need to do in preparation .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I think basically , this is {disfmarker} this is , uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Uh . Alright . And uh {disfmarker} and the other {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the last topic I had here was , um , uh d Dave 's fine offer to {disfmarker} to , uh , do something {pause} {vocalsound} on this . I mean he 's doing {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} he 's working on other things , but to {disfmarker} to do something on this project . So the question is , \" Where {disfmarker} where could we , uh , uh , most use Dave 's help ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , I was thinking perhaps if , um , additionally to all these experiments , which is not really research , well I mean it 's , uh , running programs",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and , um , {vocalsound} trying to have a closer look at the {disfmarker} perhaps the , um , {vocalsound} speech , uh , noise detection or , uh , voiced - sound - unvoiced - sound detection and {disfmarker} Which could be important in {disfmarker} i for noise {disfmarker} noise {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "I think that would be a {disfmarker} I think that 's a big {disfmarker} big deal . Because the {disfmarker} you know , the thing that Sunil was talking about , uh , with the labels , uh , labeling the database when it got to the noisy stuff ? The {disfmarker} That {disfmarker} that really throws things off . You know , having the noise all of a sudden , your {disfmarker} your , um , speech detector , I mean the {disfmarker} the , um {disfmarker} What was it ? What was happening with his thing ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "He was running through these models very quickly . He was getting lots of , uh , uh insertions , is what it was , in his recognitions .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The only problem {disfmarker} I mean , maybe that 's the right thing {disfmarker} the only problem I have with it is exactly the same reason why you thought it 'd be a good thing to do . Um , I {disfmarker} I think that {disfmarker} Let 's fall back to that . But I think the first responsibility is sort of to figure out if there 's something {pause} that , uh , an {disfmarker} an additional {disfmarker} Uh , that 's a good thing you {disfmarker} remove the mike . Go ahead , good . Uh , uh . What an additional clever person could help with when we 're really in a crunch for time . Right ? Cuz Dave 's gonna be around for a long time ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? He 's {disfmarker} he 's gonna be here for years . And so , um ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "over years , if he 's {disfmarker} if he 's interested in , you know , voiced - unvoiced - silence , he could do a lot . But if there {disfmarker} if in fact there 's something else {pause} that he could be doing , that would help us when we 're {disfmarker} we 're sort of uh strapped for time {disfmarker} We have {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we 've , you know , only , {pause} uh , another {disfmarker} another month or two {pause} to {disfmarker} you know , with the holidays in the middle of it , um , to {disfmarker} to get a lot done . If we can think of something {disfmarker} some piece of this that 's going to be {disfmarker} The very fact that it is sort of just work , and i and it 's running programs and so forth , is exactly why {pause} it 's possible that it {disfmarker} some piece of could be handed to someone to do , because it 's not {disfmarker} Uh , yeah , so that {disfmarker} that 's the question . And we don't have to solve it right this s second , but if we could think of some {disfmarker} some piece that 's {disfmarker} that 's well defined , that he could help with , he 's expressing a will willingness to do that .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "What about training up a , um , a multilingual net ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yes , maybe to , mmm , put together the {disfmarker} the label {disfmarker} the labels between TIMIT and Spanish or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , so defining the superset ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , joining the data and {disfmarker} Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah , that 's something that needs to be done in any event .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what we were just saying is that {disfmarker} that , um {disfmarker} I was arguing for , {pause} if possible , coming up with something that {disfmarker} that really was development and wasn't research because we {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we have a time crunch . And so , uh , if there 's something that would {disfmarker} would save some time that someone else could do on some other piece , then we should think of that first . See the thing with voiced - unvoiced - silence is I really think that {disfmarker} that it 's {disfmarker} to do {disfmarker} to do a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a poor job is {disfmarker} is pretty quick , uh , or , you know , a so - so job . You can {disfmarker} you can {disfmarker} you can throw in a couple fea we know what {disfmarker} what kinds of features help with it .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You can throw something in . You can do pretty well . But I remember , in fact , when you were working on that , and you worked on for few months , as I recall , and you got to , say ninety - three percent , and getting to ninety - four {pause} {vocalsound} really really hard .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Another year .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . So , um {disfmarker} And th th the other tricky thing is , since we are , uh , even though we 're not {disfmarker} we don't have a strict prohibition on memory size , and {disfmarker} and computational complexity , uh , clearly there 's some limitation to it . So if we have to {disfmarker} if we say we have to have a pitch detector , say , if we {disfmarker} if we 're trying to incorporate pitch information , or at least some kind of harmonic {disfmarker} harmonicity , or something , this is another whole thing , take a while to develop . Anyway , it 's a very very interesting topic . I mean , one {disfmarker} I think one of the {disfmarker} a lot of people would say , and I think Dan would also , uh , that one of the things wrong with current speech recognition is that we {disfmarker} we really do throw away all the harmonicity information . Uh , we try to get spectral envelopes . Reason for doing that is that most of the information about the phonetic identity is in the spectral envelopes are not in the harmonic detail . But the harmonic detail does tell you something . Like the fact that there is harmonic detail is {disfmarker} is real important . So . Um . So , uh . So I think {disfmarker} Yeah . So {disfmarker} wh that {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} the other suggestion that just came up was , well what about having him {pause} work on the , uh , {pause} multilingual super f superset {pause} kind of thing . Uh , coming up with that and then , you know , training it {disfmarker} training a net on that , say , um , from {disfmarker} from , uh {disfmarker} from TIMIT or something . Is that {disfmarker} or uh , for multiple databases . What {disfmarker} what would you {disfmarker} what would you think it would {disfmarker} wh what would this task consist of ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it would consist in , uh , well , um , creating the {disfmarker} the superset , and , uh , modifying the lab labels for matching the superset . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , creating a superset from looking at the multiple languages ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well , creating the mappings , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "and then creating i m changing labels on TIMIT ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Or on {disfmarker} or on multiple language {disfmarker} {vocalsound} multiple languages ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "No . The multiple language .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , with the @ @ three languages ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe for the other language because TIMIT have more phone .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So you 'd have to create a mapping from each language to the superset .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "From each language to the superset ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "There 's , um {disfmarker} Carmen was talking about this SAMPA thing , and it 's , um , {vocalsound} it 's an effort by linguists to come up with , um , a machine readable IPA , um , sort of thing , right ? And , um , they {disfmarker} they have a web site that Stephane was showing us that has , um {disfmarker} has all the English phonemes and their SAMPA correspondent , um , phoneme ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and then , um , they have Spanish , they have German , they have all {disfmarker} all sorts of languages , um , mapping {disfmarker} mapping to the SAMPA phonemes , which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the tr the transcription , though , for Albayzin is n the transcription are of SAMPA the same , uh , how you say , symbol that SAMPA appear .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "SAMPA ? What does \" SAMPA \" mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "But I don't know if TIMIT o how is TIMIT .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I was gonna say , does that mean IPA is not really international ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's {disfmarker} it 's saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "It uses special diacritics and stuff , which you can't do with ASCII characters .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "y can't print on ASCII .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So the SAMPA 's just mapping those .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see . Got it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What , uh {disfmarker} Has OGI done anything about this issue ? Do they have {disfmarker} Do they have any kind of superset that they already have ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so . Well , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they 're going actually the {disfmarker} the other way , defining uh , phoneme clusters , apparently . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Aha . That 's right . Uh , and that 's an interesting {pause} way to go too .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So they just throw the speech from all different languages together , then cluster it into sixty or fifty or whatever clusters ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think they 've not done it , uh , doing , uh , multiple language yet , but what they did is to training , uh , English nets with all the phonemes , and then training it in English nets with , uh , kind of seventeen , I think it was {disfmarker} seventeen , uh , broad classes .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Automatically derived {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Automatically derived broad classes , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I think so .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and , yeah . And the result was that apparently , when testing on cross - language it was better . I think so . But Hynek didn't add {disfmarker} didn't have all the results when he showed me that , so , well .",
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"content": "So that does make an interesting question , though .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Is there 's some way that we should tie into that with this . Um . Right ? I mean , if {disfmarker} if in fact that is a better thing to do , {pause} should we leverage that , rather than doing , {pause} um , our own . Right ? So , if i if {disfmarker} if they s I mean , we have {disfmarker} {pause} i we have the {disfmarker} the trainings with our own categories . And now we 're saying , \" Well , how do we handle cross - language ? \" And one way is to come up with a superset , but they are als they 're trying coming up with clustered , and do we think there 's something wrong with that ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "I think that there 's something wrong",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "OK . What w",
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"content": "or {disfmarker} Well , because {disfmarker} Well , for the moment we are testing on digits , and e i perhaps u using broad phoneme classes , it 's {disfmarker} it 's OK for um , uh classifying the digits , but as soon as you will have more words , well , words can differ with only a single phoneme , and {disfmarker} which could be the same , uh , class .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well . So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Right . Although , you are not using this for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "So , I 'm",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "You 're using this for the feature generation , though , not the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but you will ask the net to put one for th th the phoneme class",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "So you 're saying that there may not be enough information coming out of the net to help you discriminate the words ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Well . Yeah , yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Fact , most confusions are within the phone {disfmarker} phone classes , right ? I think , uh , Larry was saying like obstruents are only confused with other obstruents , et cetera , et cetera .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Yeah , this is another p yeah , another point .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "So {disfmarker} so , maybe we could look at articulatory type stuff ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "But that 's what I thought they were gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "right ?",
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"content": "Did they not do that , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "I don't think so . Well ,",
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"content": "So {disfmarker}",
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"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "because that 's {disfmarker} that 's the other route to go .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Instead of this , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "Superclass .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "Instead of the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the superclass thing , which is to take {disfmarker} So suppose y you don't really mark arti To really mark articulatory features , you really wanna look at the acoustics and {disfmarker} and see where everything is , and we 're not gonna do that . So , uh , the second class way of doing it is {pause} to look at the , uh , phones that are labeled and translate them into acoustic {disfmarker} uh , uh {disfmarker} articulatory , uh , uh , features . So it won't really be right . You won't really have these overlapping {pause} things and so forth ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "So the targets of the net {disfmarker} are these {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Articulatory features .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Articulatory feature .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "But that implies that you can have more than one on at a time ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Ah . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "You either do that or you have multiple nets .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": " Um . And , um I don't know if our software {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} if the qu versions of the Quicknet that we 're using allows for that . Do you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Allows for {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Multiple targets being one ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um , we have gotten soft targets to {disfmarker} to work .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So that {disfmarker} that 'll work , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , um , that 's another thing that could be done {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "is that we could {disfmarker} we could , uh , just translate {disfmarker} instead of translating to a superset , {pause} just translate to articulatory features , some set of articulatory features and train with that . Now the fact {disfmarker} even though it 's a smaller number , {pause} it 's still fine because you have the {disfmarker} the , uh , combinations . So , in fact , it has every , you know {disfmarker} it had {disfmarker} has {disfmarker} has every distinction in it that you would have the other way .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "But it should go across languages better .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "We could do an interesting cheating experiment with that too . We could {disfmarker} I don't know , if you had uh the phone labels , you could replace them by their articulatory features and then feed in a vector with those uh , things turned on based on what they 're supposed to be for each phone to see if it {disfmarker} if you get a big win . Do you know what I 'm saying ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , I mean , if your net is gonna be outputting , uh , a vector of {disfmarker} basically of {disfmarker} well , it 's gonna have probabilities , but let 's say that they were ones and zeros , then y and you know for each , um , I don't know if you know this for your testing data , but if you know for your test data , you know , what the string of phones is and {disfmarker} and you have them aligned , then you can just {disfmarker} instead of going through the net , just create the vector for each phone and feed that in to see if that data helps . Eh , eh , what made me think about this is , I was talking with Hynek and he said that there was a guy at A T - andT who spent eighteen months working on a single feature . And because they had done some cheating experiments {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "This was the guy that we were just talking a that we saw on campus . So , this was Larry Saul who did this {disfmarker} did this .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "He used sonorants .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Right , OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Was what he was doing .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "right . And they {disfmarker} they had done a cheating experiment or something , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "and determined that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "He {disfmarker} he di he didn't mention that part .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Well , Hynek said that {disfmarker} that , I guess before they had him work on this , they had done some experiment where if they could get that one feature right , it dramatically improved the result .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "But . I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "So I was thinking , you know {disfmarker} it made me think about this , that if {disfmarker} it 'd be an interesting experiment just to see , you know , if you did get all of those right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "Should be . Because if you get all of them in there , that defines all of the phones . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's equivalent to saying that you 've got {disfmarker} {vocalsound} got all the phones right .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "So , if that doesn't help , there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Although , yeah , it would be {disfmarker} make an interesting cheating experiment because we are using it in this funny way ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "where we 're converting it into features .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "And then you also don't know what error they 've got on the HTK side . You know ? It sort of gives you your {disfmarker} the best you could hope for , kind of .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "The soft training of the nets still requires the vector to sum to one , though , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To sum up to one .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "So you can't really feed it , like , two articulatory features that are on at the same time with ones cuz it 'll kind of normalize them down to one half or something like that , for instance .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But perhaps you have the choice of the {pause} final nonl",
"speaker": "PhD G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Nonlinearity ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "uh , nonlinearity ,",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "yeah . Is it always softmax",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "it 's sig No , it 's actually sigmoid - X",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "So if you choose sigmoid it 's o it 's OK ?",
"speaker": "PhD G"
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{
"content": "You , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Did we just run out of disk ,",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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"content": "I think {disfmarker} I think apparently , the , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor F"
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{
"content": "Why don't you just choose linear ? Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "What 's that ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Linear outputs ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Linear outputs ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Isn't that what you 'll want ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "If you 're gonna do a KL Transform on it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "Right , right . Right , but during the training , we would train on sigmoid - X",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Oh , you {disfmarker} Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "and then at the end just chop off the final nonlinearity .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "So , we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're off the air , or {disfmarker} ? About to be off the air .",
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"answer": "The meeting participants discuss results from experiments and challenges that the model was facing. There was a significant server side delay, so they could not accommodate silence detection. Members noted that reducing model dimensions had a detrimental effect on model performance. The professor wanted to know the size of words that the word error rate was calculated on and explained that there would be no new training. From this point, they can start talking about future directions and work on fixing the system.",
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"content": "OK So uh today we 're looking at a number of uh things we 're trying and uh fortunately for listeners to this uh we lost some of it 's visual but um got tables in front of us . Um what is {disfmarker} what does combo mean ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So combo is um a system where we have these features that go through a network and then this same string of features but low - pass filtered with the low - pass filter used in the MSG features . And so these low - pass filtered goes through M eh {disfmarker} another MLP and then the linear output of these two MLP 's are combined just by adding the values and then there is this KLT . Um the output is used as uh features as well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Um so let me try to restate this and see if I have it right . There is uh {disfmarker} there is the features uh there 's the OGI features and then um those features um go through a contextual {disfmarker} uh l l let 's take this bottom arr one pointed to by the bottom arrow . Um those features go through a contextualized KLT . Then these features also uh get um low - pass filtered",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah so yeah I could perhaps draw this on the blackboard",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The graph , yeah another one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Yeah , that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "So",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "So we have these features from OGI that goes through the three paths .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Three , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The first is a KLT using several frames of the features .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The second path is uh MLP also using nine frames {disfmarker} several frames of features",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The third path is this low - pass filter .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , MLP",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Aha ! aha !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Adding the outputs just like in the second propose the {disfmarker} the proposal from {disfmarker} for the first evaluation .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then the KLT and then the two together again .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , the KLT . And those two together . That 's it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Two HTK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK so that 's {disfmarker} that 's this bottom one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . So this is {disfmarker} yeah",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so uh and then the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the one at the top {disfmarker} and I presume these things that uh are in yellow are in yellow because overall they 're the best ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's the reason , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so it 's uh basically s the same except that we don't have this uh low - pass filtering so we have only two streams .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Step .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "Well . There 's {disfmarker} there 's no low {disfmarker} low - pass processing used as additional feature stream .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do you e um they mentioned {disfmarker} made some {disfmarker} uh when I was on the phone with Sunil they {disfmarker} they mentioned some weighting scheme that was used to evaluate all of these numbers .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh actually the way things seems to um well it 's uh forty percent for TI - digit , sixty for all the SpeechDat - Cars , well all these languages . Ehm the well match is forty , medium thirty five and high mismatch twenty - five . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um and we don't have the TI - digits part yet ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But yeah . Generally what you observe with TI - digits is that the result are very close whatever the {disfmarker} the system .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . And so have you put all these numbers together into a single number representing that ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh not yet .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK so that should be pretty easy to do and that would be good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . Mmm yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "then we could compare the two and say what was better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um and how does this compare to the numbers {disfmarker} oh so OGI two is just the top {disfmarker} top row ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So yeah to {disfmarker} actually OGI two is the {disfmarker} the baseline with the OGI features but this is not exactly the result that they have because they 've {disfmarker} they 're still made some changes in the features",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} well but uh actually our results are better than their results . Um I don't know by how much because they did not send us the new results",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh OK so the one {disfmarker} one place where it looks like we 're messing things up a bit is in the highly mismatched Italian .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "An",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah there is something funny happening here because {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But there are thirty - six and then sometimes we are {disfmarker} we are {disfmarker} we are around forty - two and",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Now up",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh so one of the ideas that you had mentioned last time was having a {disfmarker} a second um silence detection .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there are some results here",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "For the Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh so the third and the fifth line of the table",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "For this one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So filt is what that is ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Filt , yeah",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah so it seems f for the {disfmarker} the well match and mismatched condition it 's uh it brings something . Uh but uh actually apparently there are {disfmarker} there 's no room left for any silence detector at the server side because of the delay . Uh well",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh we can't do it . Oh OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "For that {disfmarker} for that we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Too bad . Good idea , but can't do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Except I don't know because they {disfmarker} I think they are still working well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh t two days ago they were still working on this trying to reduce the delay of the silence detector so but yeah if we had time perhaps we could try to find uh some kind of compromise between the delay that 's on the handset and on the server side . Perhaps try to reduce the delay on the handset and {disfmarker} but well hmm For the moment they have this large delay on the {disfmarker} the feature computation and so we don't",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . So Alright so for now at least that 's not there you have some results with low - pass filter cepstrum doesn't have a huge effect but it {disfmarker} but it looks like it you know maybe could help in a couple places .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I th",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh little bit .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um and um um Yeah and uh let 's see What else did we have in there ? Uh I guess it makes a l um at this point this is I {disfmarker} I guess I should probably look at these others a little bit uh And you {disfmarker} you yellowed these out uh but uh uh Oh I see yeah that {disfmarker} that one you can't use because of the delay . Those look pretty good . Um let 's see that one Well even the {disfmarker} just the {disfmarker} the second row doesn't look that bad right ? That 's just uh yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and that looks like an interesting one too .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Actually the {disfmarker} yeah the second line is uh pretty much like the first line in yellow except that we don't have this KLT on the first {disfmarker} on the left part of the diagram . We just have the features as they are .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah so when we do this weighted measure we should compare the two cuz it might even come out better . And it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little {disfmarker} slightly simpler .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so there 's {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I would put that one also as a {disfmarker} as a maybe . Uh and it {disfmarker} yeah and it 's actually {vocalsound} does {disfmarker} does significantly better on the uh uh highly mismatched Italian , so s and little worse on the mis on the MM case , but uh Well yeah it 's worse than a few things",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so uh let 's see how that c that c c see how that comes out on their {disfmarker} their measure and {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are we running this uh for TI - digits or uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Now is TI di {disfmarker} is is that part of the result that they get for the uh development {disfmarker} th the results that they 're supposed to get at the end of {disfmarker} end of the month , the TI - digits are there also ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . It 's included , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK . OK . And see what else there is here . Um Oh I see {disfmarker} the one {disfmarker} I was looking down here at the {disfmarker} the o the row below the lower yellowed one . Uh that 's uh that 's with the reduced uh KLT size {disfmarker} reduced dimensionality .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ? Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What happens there is it 's around the same and so you could reduce the dimension as you were saying before a bit perhaps .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's significantly worse well but {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's significantly worse {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh it 's {disfmarker} it 's mostly worse .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exc - except for the HM",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "For many a mismatch it 's worse .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it is little . I mean not {disfmarker} not by a huge amount , I don't know . What are {disfmarker} what are the sizes of any of these sets , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure you told me before , but I 've forgotten . So {disfmarker} you know how many words are in uh one of these test sets ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "About ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um it 's {disfmarker} it depends {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} the well matched is generally larger than the other sets and I think it 's around two thousand or three thousand words perhaps , at least .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Ye But words {disfmarker} well word {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? The words , yeah . S sentences .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sentences .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Some sets have five hundred sentences , so .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} so the sets {disfmarker} so the test sets are between five hundred and two thousand sentences , let 's say",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and each sentence on the average has four or five digits or is it {disfmarker} most of them longer or",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah for the Italian even seven digits y more or less",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it d Seven digits .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the number of uh credit cards , something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right , so between one and sixteen . See the {disfmarker} I mean the reason I 'm asking is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So uh i if {disfmarker} if you had uh just you know {disfmarker} to give an example , if you had uh um if you had a thousand words then uh a {disfmarker} a tenth of a percent would just be one word ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "right ? So {disfmarker} so it wouldn't mean anything .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "um so um yeah it be kind of {disfmarker} I 'd kind of like to know what the sizes of these test sets were actually .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The size that we have ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We could {disfmarker} we could run {disfmarker} run some kind of significance tests",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah since these {disfmarker} well also just to know the numbers ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "right . So these {disfmarker} these are word error rates",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so this is on how many words .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we have the result that the output of the HTK",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The number of {disfmarker} of sentences , no it 's the number isn't .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah sure {disfmarker} sure . Yeah sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so anyway if you could just mail out what those numbers are and then {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that be great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} what else is there here ? Um see the second {disfmarker} second from the bottom it says SIL , but this is some different kind of silence or thing or {disfmarker} what was that ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It the {disfmarker} the output silence of the MLP .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's only one small experiment to know what happened . To apply also to in include also the {disfmarker} the silence of the MLP we have the fifty - six form and the silence to pick up the silence and we include those .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Uh - huh , uh - huh . The silence plus the KLT output ? Oh so you 're only using the silence .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because when we apply the KLT",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No they 're {disfmarker} I think there is this silence in addition to the um KLT outputs",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "in addition , yes .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it is because we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we just keep uh we don't keep all the dimensions after the KLT",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "In addition t",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and we not s we are not sure if we pick {disfmarker} we have the silence .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So we try to add the silence also in addition to the {disfmarker} these twenty - eight dimensions .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK . And what {disfmarker} and what 's OGI forty - five ? The bottom one there ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh it 's o it 's OGI two , it 's {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} th it 's the features from the first line",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's in fact OGI two .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right , but I mean what 's the {disfmarker} what does the last row mean ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's uh basically this but without the KLT on the {disfmarker} from the left path .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I thought that was the one {disfmarker} I thought that was the second row . So what 's the difference between the second",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh the second line you don't have this combo stuff so you just",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So this is like the second line but with {disfmarker} with the combo stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And with the {disfmarker} all the output of the combo .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK , so {disfmarker} alright so it looks to me {disfmarker} I guess the same {disfmarker} given that we have to take the filt ones out of the {disfmarker} the running because of this delay problem {disfmarker} so it looks to me like the ones you said I agree are {disfmarker} are the ones to look at",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but I just would add the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the second row one",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and then um if we can um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "oh yeah also when {disfmarker} when they 're using this weighting scheme of forty , thirty - five , twenty - five is that on the percentages or on the raw errors ? I guess it 's probably on the percentages right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} I guess , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I guess , yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's not clear here .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Maybe {disfmarker} maybe they 'll argue about it . Um OK so if we can know what {disfmarker} how many words are in each and then um Dave uh Dave promised to get us something tomorrow which will be there as far as they 've gotten {vocalsound} Friday",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and then we 'll operate with that",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and uh how long did it I guess if we 're not doing all these things {disfmarker} if we 're only doing um um I guess since this is development data it 's legitimate to do more than one , right ? I mean ordinarily if {disfmarker} in final test data you don't want to do several and {disfmarker} and take the best",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's not proper but if this is development data we could still look at a couple .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can {disfmarker} yeah . Sure . But we have to decide {disfmarker} I mean we have to fix the system on this d on this data , to choose the best",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and these",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But the question is when {disfmarker} when do we fix the system ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But we could",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "do we fix the system uh tomorrow or do we fix the system on Tuesday ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it d",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} Yeah , OK except that we do have to write it up .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think we fixed on Tuesday , yeah . Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Also , so",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah well . Well basically it 's this with perhaps some kind of printing and some {disfmarker} some other @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right so maybe what we do is we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we uh as soon as we get the data from them we start the training and so forth",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but we start the write - up right away because as you say there {disfmarker} there 's only minor differences between these .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think you {disfmarker} we could {disfmarker} we could start soon , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Write up something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and {disfmarker} and I {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} you know , I would {disfmarker} I 'd kind of like to see it",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "maybe I can {disfmarker} I can edit it a bit uh sure . The {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} what in this si i in this situation is my forte which is English .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh so",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh H yeah . Have y have you seen alt d do they have a format for how they want the system descriptions or anything ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh not really .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um There is the format of the table which is {vocalsound} quite impressive .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Uh I see . Yes , for those who are listening to this and not looking at it uh it 's not really that impressive , it 's just tiny . It 's all these little categories set a , set b , set c , multi - condition , clean . Uh No mitigation . Wow . Do you know what no {disfmarker} what no mitigation means here ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um it should be the the problem with the error {disfmarker} channel error",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh that 's probably the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "this is probably channel error stuff",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "well , you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "huh ? Oh this is i right , it says right above here channel {disfmarker} channel error resilience ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So recognition performance is just the top part , actually . Uh and they have {disfmarker} yes , split between seen databases and non - seen so basically between development and {disfmarker} and evaluation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} so {disfmarker} right , it 's presumed there 's all sorts of tuning that 's gone on on the see what they call seen databases and there won't be tuning for the uh unseen . Multi - condition {disfmarker} multi - condition . So they have {disfmarker} looks like they have uh uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so they splitting up between the TI - digits and everything else , I see . So the everything else is the SpeechDat - Car , that 's the multi multilingual",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it 's not divided between languages you mean or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it just",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It is , but there 's also {disfmarker} there 's these tables over here for the {disfmarker} for the TI - digits and these tables over here for the car data which is {disfmarker} which is I guess all the multilingual stuff",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and then uh there 's {disfmarker} they also split up between multi - condition and clean only .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . For TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , actually yeah . For the TI - digits they want to train on clean and on noisy",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So we 're doing that also , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah . But uh we actually {disfmarker} do we have the features ? Yeah . For the clean TI - digits but we did not test it yet . Uh the clean training stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well anyway , sounds like there 'll be a lot to do just to {vocalsound} work with our partners to fill out the tables {vocalsound} over the next uh next few days",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I guess they have to send it out {disfmarker} let 's see the thirty - first is uh uh Wednesday and I think the {disfmarker} it has to be there by some hour uh European time on Wednesday",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so {vocalsound} I think basically",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We lost time uh Wednesday maybe because {vocalsound} that the difference in the time may be {disfmarker} is a long different of the time .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "E excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the Thursday the twelfth of the night of the Thurs - thirty - one is {disfmarker} is not valid in Europe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We don't know is happening .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yes , so I mean {disfmarker} I think we have to actually get it done Tuesday",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Tuesday .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "right because I {disfmarker} I think",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh Uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Except if {disfmarker} if it 's the thirty - one at midnight or I don't know {disfmarker} we can {vocalsound} still do some work on Wednesday morning .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "yeah well . W i is but is {disfmarker} is it midni I thought it was actually something like five PM on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "was like {disfmarker} I thought it was five PM or something , I didn't think it was midnight . I thought they said they wanted everything by",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , five PM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "well , so five PM their time is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} if",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Not five PM , three PM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "three PM .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Three PM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Alright , that 's six in the morning here .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's d no .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh no three {disfmarker} three A - three PM ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , we are wondering about the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the hour that we have to eh I don't know if it 's three PM {disfmarker} it 's",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . Three PM here is in Europe midnight .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's midnight but",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes , but I didn't think it was midnight that it was due , I thought it was due at some hour during the day like five PM or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm , ",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "In which case",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh well we should look but my assumption is that we basically have to be done Tuesday . Um so then next Thursday we can sort of have a little aftermath",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but then {disfmarker} then we 'll actually have the new data which is the German and the Danish",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but that really will be much less work because uh the system will be fixed",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so all we 'll do is take whatever {vocalsound} they have and {disfmarker} and uh and run it through the process .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh we won't be changing the training on anything",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so there 'll be no new training , there 'll just be new HTK runs , so that 's means in some sense we can kind of relax from this after {disfmarker} after Tuesday and {disfmarker} and uh maybe next meeting we can start talking a little bit about where we want to go from here uh in terms of uh the research .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um you know what things uh did you think of when you were uh doing this process that uh you just didn't really have time to adequately work on uh uh so",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , Stephane always has these great ideas and {disfmarker} oh , but uh we don't have time .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure these are great ideas .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But they 're ideas . Yeah ? Oh , that was good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and uh also it 's still true that uh I think it 's true that {disfmarker} that we {disfmarker} we at least got fairly consistent i improved results by running uh the uh neural net transformation in parallel with the features",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "rather than uh in sequence which was {disfmarker} was your suggestion and that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that seems to have been borne out .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The fact that none of these are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} you know , enormous is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is not too surprising {disfmarker} most improvements aren't enormous and {vocalsound} uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "some of them are but uh I mean you have something really really wrong {vocalsound} and you fix it {vocalsound} you can get big and really enormous improvements",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} um Cuz our best improvements over the years that we 've gotten from finding bugs , but Anyway OK well I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} I see where we are and everybody knows what they 're doing and is there {disfmarker} is there anything else we should talk about or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} are we done ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I think it 's OK um . We so basically we will {disfmarker} I think we 'll try to {disfmarker} to focus on these three architectures and {disfmarker} and perhaps I was thinking also a fourth one with just {disfmarker} just a single KLT because we did not really test that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "removing all these KLT 's and putting one single KLT at the end .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean that would be pretty low maintenance to try it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh if you can fit it in .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh I have {disfmarker} yeah I do have one other piece of information which uh I should tell people outside of this group too uh I don't know if we 're gonna need it uh but uh Jeff up at the uh University of Washington has uh gotten a hold of a uh uh some kind of server farm of uh of ten uh uh multiprocessor uh IBM machines RS six thousands",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and uh so I think each one is four processors or something or {disfmarker} I don't know , eight hundred megahertz or something and there 's four processors in a box and there 's ten boxes and there 's some kind of ti so if {disfmarker} you know he 's got a lot of processing power and um we 'd have to schedule it but if we have some big jobs and we wanna {disfmarker} wanna {disfmarker} wanna run them he 's {disfmarker} he 's offering it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So . It 's uh when he was here eh uh he {disfmarker} he used i not only every machine here but every machine on campus as far as I could tell , so {disfmarker} so in some ways he just got his payback , but uh again I {disfmarker} I don't know if we 'll end up with {disfmarker} if we 're gonna be CPU limited on anything that we 're doing in this group",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but if {disfmarker} if we are that 's an offer . OK well uh you guys doing great stuff so that 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's really neat and uh we 'll uh uh g don't think we need to uh um Oh well the other thing I guess that I will say is that uh the digits that we 're gonna record momentarily is starting to get {disfmarker} are starting to get into a pretty good size collection and um in addition to the SpeechDat stuff we will have those to work with really pretty soon now so that 's {disfmarker} that 's another source of data . Um which is s under somewhat better control and that we can {disfmarker} we can make measurements of the room the {disfmarker} uh that {disfmarker} you know if we feel there 's other measurements we don't have that we 'd like to have we can make them and uh Dave and I were just talking about that a little while ago so uh that 's another {disfmarker} another possibility for this {disfmarker} this kind of work .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "K , uh if nobody has anything else maybe we should go around do {disfmarker} do our digits {disfmarker} do our digits duty . OK . OK I 'll start . Uh , let me say that again . OK . I guess we 're done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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],
"topic": "Standards and additional directions for study"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"answer": "The project was finally coming to a conclusion and the team was getting ready to share their results. They achieved an error rate reduction for the task, but the error rate in itself was still significant. The team also had to think about how they could make their model efficient for it to be deployed as they continue with future research. They discussed some new directions and were reminded that while the initial phase was over, much work lied ahead of them.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
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{
"answer": "The deployed model generally decreased error rates, but the extent to which it did so varied based on the language as well as where it was deployed. They learned that similar projects experienced the same challenges. Still, the model was not efficient and likely used too much CPU and memory for the benefit it provided.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on the performance of the deployed model",
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"0",
"76"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The worst systems were still reducing errors between a third to half of the time. Though, there was a system in Aurora that did not do very well and the Alcatel systems seemed to do better.",
"query": "What was the range of errors in the models?",
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"36",
"46"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The professor explained that while the Danish model did not improve overall, the results were mixed over six cases. The team's models led to improvements, even without bug fixes, but they were better on the Danish than German.",
"query": "What did the Professor think about Danish and German models?",
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"28"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team gathered some ideas on how they could further improve the model, perhaps by focusing more so on MSG and multi-band. The professor iterated that the task was pretty hard, and their model was still not good enough for a real system. The team was generally excited about the Aurora data, as it was more realistic, and about further pursuing the task.",
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},
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"answer": "The professor thought that they needed to work more and asked who had ideas on how they could pursue new directions. He himself wanted to try out playing with MSG and multi-band. He also thought that they should try learning more about different acoustic environments.",
"query": "What did the professor think about the pragmatic overview of the project?",
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"answer": "PhD C and the professor expressed a desire to learn more about nets that incorporated multiple languages. They thought they could explore whether it was better to have one net for many languages or different nets for each language.",
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"content": "OK . So , uh You can fill those out , uh {pause} after , actually , so So , I got , uh {pause} these results from , uh , Stephane . Also , um , I think that , uh {pause} um {pause} we might hear later today , about other results . I think s that , uh , there were some other very good results that we 're gonna wanna compare to . But , {vocalsound} r our results from other {disfmarker} other places , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I I 'm sorry ? I didn't",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I got this from you",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then I sent a note to Sunil about the {disfmarker} cuz he has been running some other systems",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "other than the {disfmarker} the ICSI OGI one .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {pause} um , I wan wanna {disfmarker} wanna see what that is . But , uh , you know , so we 'll see what it is comparatively later . But {pause} it looks like , um",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "M yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know most of the time , even {disfmarker} I mean even though it 's true that the overall number for Danish {disfmarker} we didn't improve it If you look at it individually , what it really says is that there 's , um , uh Looks like out of the six cases , between the different kinds of , uh , matching conditions {pause} out of the six cases , there 's basically , um , a couple where it stays about the same , uh , three where it gets better , and one where it gets worse .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Y Actually , uh , um , for the Danish , there 's still some kind of mystery because , um , um , when we use the straight features , we are not able to get these nice number with the ICSI OGI one , I mean . We don't have this ninety - three seventy - eight , we have eight",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Eighty - nine forty - four .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Uh , so , uh , that 's probably something wrong with the features that we get from OGI . Uh , and Sunil is working on {disfmarker} on trying to {disfmarker} to check everything .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and {disfmarker} and we have a little time on that {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} actually so",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We have a little bit of time on that , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We have a day or so , so When {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when do you folks leave ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Sunday .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sunday ? So So , uh Yeah , until Saturday midnight , or something , we have W we {disfmarker} we have time , yeah . Well , that would be good . That 'd be good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , and , you know , i u when whenever anybody figures it out they should also , for sure , email Hynek because Hynek will be over there {vocalsound} telling people {vocalsound} what we did , so he should know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good , OK . So , um So , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll hold off on that a little bit . I mean , even with these results as they are , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's really not that bad . But {disfmarker} but , uh , um And it looks like the overall result as they are now , even without , you know , any {disfmarker} any bugs being fixed is that , uh , on the {disfmarker} the other tasks , we had this average of , uh , forty uh {disfmarker} nine percent , or so , improvement . And here we have somewhat better than that than the Danish , and somewhat worse than that on the German , but I mean , it sounds like , uh , one way or another , the methods that we 're doing can reduce the error rate from {disfmarker} from mel ceptrum {pause} down by , you know {pause} a fourth of them to , uh , a half of them . Somewhere in there , depending on the {pause} exact case . So So that 's good . I mean , I think that , uh , one of the things that Hynek was talking about was understanding what was in the other really good proposals and {disfmarker} and trying to see if what should ultimately be proposed is some , uh , combination of things . Um , if , uh {disfmarker} Cuz there 's things that they are doing {pause} there that we certainly are not doing . And there 's things that we 're doing that {pause} they 're not doing . And {disfmarker} and they all seem like good things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How much {disfmarker} how much better was the best system than ours ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So Well , we don't know yet .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , first place , there 's still this thing to {disfmarker} to work out , and second place {disfmarker} second thing is that the only results that we have so far from before were really development set results .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , I think in this community that 's of interest . It 's not like everything is being pinned on the evaluation set . But , um , for the development set , our best result was a little bit short of fifty percent . And the best result of any system was about fifty - four , where these numbers are the , uh , relative , uh , reduction in , uh , word error rate .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , um , the other systems were , uh , somewhat lower than that . There was actually {disfmarker} there was much less of a huge range than there was in Aurora one . In Aurora one there were {disfmarker} there were systems that ba basically didn't improve things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And here the {disfmarker} the worst system {pause} still reduced the error rate by thirty - three percent , or something , in development set .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wow .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , you know , sort of everybody is doing things between , well , roughly a third of the errors , and half the errors being eliminated , {vocalsound} uh , and varying on different test sets and so forth .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So I think Um {pause} It 's probably a good time to look at what 's really going on and seeing if there 's a {disfmarker} there 's a way to combine the best ideas while at the same time not blowing up the amount of , uh , resources used , cuz that 's {disfmarker} that 's critical for this {disfmarker} this test .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Do we know anything about {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who 's was it that had the lowest on the dev set ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , uh , the , uh , the there were two systems that were put forth by a combination of {disfmarker} of , uh , French Telecom and Alcatel . And , um they {disfmarker} they differed in some respects , but they e em one was called the French Telecom Alcatel System the other was called the Alcatel French Telecom System , {vocalsound} uh , which is the biggest difference , I think . But {disfmarker} but there 're {disfmarker} there 're {disfmarker} there 're some other differences , too . Uh , and {disfmarker} and , uh , they both did very well ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "you know ? So , {vocalsound} um , my impression is they also did very well on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} the , uh , evaluation set , but , um , I {disfmarker} I we haven't seen {disfmarker} you 've - you haven't seen any final results for that",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And they used {disfmarker} the main thing that {disfmarker} that they used was spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Or",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "There is a couple pieces to it . There 's a spectral subtraction style piece {disfmarker} it was basically , you know , Wiener filtering . And then {disfmarker} then there was some p some modification of the cepstral parameters , where they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , actually , something that 's close to cepstral mean subtraction . But , uh , the way the mean is adapted {disfmarker} um , it 's signal dependent . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm , uh So , basically , the mean is adapted during speech and not during silence .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But it 's very close to {disfmarker} to cepstral mean subtraction .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But some people have done {vocalsound} {pause} exactly that sort of thing , of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} I mean it 's not {disfmarker} To {disfmarker} to look in {pause} speech only , to try to m to measure these things during speech ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that 's p that 's not that uncommon . But i it it {disfmarker} so it looks like they did some {disfmarker} some , uh , reasonable things , uh , and they 're not things that we did , precisely . We did unreasonable things , {vocalsound} which {disfmarker} because we like to try strange things , and {disfmarker} and , uh , and our things worked too .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so , um , uh , it 's possible that some combination of these different things that were done would be the best thing to do . But the only caveat to that is that everybody 's being real conscious of how much memory and how much CPU they 're using",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "because these , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , standards are supposed to go on cell phones with m moderate resources in both respects .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Did anybody , uh , do anything with the models as a {disfmarker} an experiment ? Or",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , they didn't report it , if they did .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "N nobody reported it ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think everybody was focused elsewhere . Um , now , one of the things that 's nice about what we did is , we do have a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a filtering , which leads to a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a reduction in the bandwidth in the modulation spectrum , which allows us to downsample . So , uh , as a result of that we have a reduced , um , transmission rate for the bits .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That was misreported the first time out . It {disfmarker} it said the same amount because for convenience sake in the particular way that this is being tested , uh , they were repeating the packets . So it was {disfmarker} they were s they {disfmarker} they had twenty - four hundred bits per second , but they were literally creating forty - eight hundred bits per second , {vocalsound} um , even though y it was just repeated .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , in practice",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So you could 've had a repeat count in there or something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , n I mean , this was just a ph phoney thing just to {disfmarker} to fit into the {disfmarker} the software that was testing the errors {disfmarker} channel errors and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so in reality , if you put this {disfmarker} this system in into , uh , the field , it would be twenty - four hundred bits per second , not forty - eight hundred . So , um , so that 's a nice feature of what {disfmarker} what we did . Um , but , um , well , we still have to see how it all comes out .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , and then there 's the whole standards process , which is another thing altogether .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "When is the development set {disfmarker} I mean , the , uh , uh , test set results due ? Like the day before you leave or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , probably the day after they leave , but we 'll have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 'll have to stop it the day before {comment} we leave .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . So",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think tha I think the {disfmarker} the meeting is on the thirteenth or something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this Tuesday , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , they , uh Right . And the {disfmarker} the , uh , results are due like the day before the meeting or something . So",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , probably , well",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I th I think {disfmarker} I I think they are ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So {pause} {vocalsound} um , since we have a bit farther to travel than {vocalsound} some of the others , {vocalsound} uh , we 'll have to get done a little quicker . But , um , I mean , it 's just tracing down these bugs . I mean , just exactly this sort of thing of , you know , why {disfmarker} why these features seem to be behaving differently , uh , in California than in Oregon .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": " Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Might have something to do with electricity shortage . Uh , we didn't {disfmarker} we didn't have enough electrons here and Uh , but , um Uh , I think , you know , the main reason for having {disfmarker} I mean , it only takes w to run the {disfmarker} the two test sets in {disfmarker} just in computer time is just a day or so , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "it 's very short interval .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So , I think the who the whole reason for having as long as we have , which was {pause} like a week and a half , is {disfmarker} is because of bugs like that . So Huh So , we 're gonna end up with these same kind of sheets that have the {pause} the percentages and so on just for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so there are two more columns in the sheets ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I guess it 's the same sheets ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "two . Yeah , it 's the same sheets ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "just with the missing columns filled in .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that 'll be good . So , I 'll dis I 'll disregard these numbers . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , Hynek will try to push for trying to combine , uh , different things ? Or Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well that 's {pause} um yeah I mean , I think the question is \" Is there {disfmarker} is there some advantage ? \" I mean , you could just take the best system and say that 's the standard . But the thing is that if different systems are getting at good things , um , a again within the constraint of the resources , if there 's something simple that you can do Now for instance , uh , it 's , I think , very reasonable to have a standard for the terminal 's side and then for the server 's side say , \" Here 's a number of things that could be done . \" So , um , everything that we did could probably just be added on to what Alcatel did , and i it 'd probably work pretty well with them , too . So , um , uh , that 's one {disfmarker} one aspect of it . And then on the terminal 's side , I don't know how much , um , memory and {disfmarker} and CPU it takes , but it seems like the filtering {pause} Uh , I mean , the VAD stuff they both had , right ? And , um , so {disfmarker} and they both had some kind of on - line normalization , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Of sorts , yeah ? So {disfmarker} so , it seems like the main different there is the {disfmarker} is the , uh , filtering . And the filtering {disfmarker} I think if you can {disfmarker} shouldn't take a lot of memory to do that Uh , and I also wouldn't think the CPU , uh , would be much either for that part . So , if you can {disfmarker} if you can add those in {pause} um {pause} then , uh , you can cut the data rate in half .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it seems like the right thing to do is to {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} on the terminal 's side , take what they did , if it {disfmarker} if it does seem to generalize well to German and Danish , uh , take what they did add in a filter , and add in some stuff on the server 's side and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and that 's probably a reasonable standard . Um {pause} Uh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They are working on this already ? Because {disfmarker} yeah , Su - Sunil told me that he was trying already to put some kind of , uh , filtering in the {vocalsound} {pause} France Telecom .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's what That would be ideal {disfmarker} would be is that they could , you know , they could actually show that , in fact , a combination of some sort , {vocalsound} uh , would work even better than what {disfmarker} what any of the systems had . And , um , then it would {disfmarker} it would , uh {pause} be something to {disfmarker} to discuss in the meeting . But , uh , not clear what will go on . Um , I mean , on the one hand , um , sometimes people are just anxious to get a standard out there . I mean , you can always have another standard after that , but {vocalsound} this process has gone on for a while on {disfmarker} already and {disfmarker} and people might just wanna pick something and say , \" OK , this is it . \" And then , that 's a standard . Uh , standards are always optional . It 's just that , uh , if you disobey them , then you risk not being able to sell your product , or {pause} {vocalsound} Uh {pause} um And people often work on new standards while an old standard is in place and so on . So it 's not final even if they declared a standard . The other hand , they might just say they just don't know enough yet to {disfmarker} to declare a standard . So you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you will be {disfmarker} you will become experts on this and know more {disfmarker} far more than me about the tha this particular standards process once you {disfmarker} you go to this meeting . So , be interested in hearing . So , uh , I 'd be , uh , interested in hearing , uh , your thoughts now I mean you 're almost done . I mean , you 're done in the sense that , um , you may be able to get some new features from Sunil , and we 'll re - run it . Uh , but other than that , you 're {disfmarker} you 're basically done , right ? So , uh , I 'm interested in hearing {disfmarker} hearing your thoughts about {pause} where you think we should go from this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we tried a lot of things in a hurry , and , uh , if we can back off from this now and sort of take our time with something , and not have doing things quickly be quite so much the constraint , what {disfmarker} what you think would be the best thing to do .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well Hmm Well , first , uh , to really have a look at {disfmarker} at the speech {pause} {vocalsound} from these databases because , well , we tried several thing , but we did not really look {vocalsound} at what what 's happening , and {vocalsound} where is the noise , and",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Eh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a novel idea . Look at the data . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Or more generally , I guess , what {disfmarker} what is causing the degradation .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Actually , there is one thing that {disfmarker} well {pause} Um , generally we {disfmarker} we think that {vocalsound} most of the errors are within phoneme classes , and so I think it could be interesting to {disfmarker} to see if it {disfmarker} I don't think it 's still true when we add noise , and {vocalsound} so we have {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess the confusion ma the confusion matrices are very different when {disfmarker} when we have noise , and when it 's clean speech . And probably , there is much more {pause} between classes errors for noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} so , um Yeah , so perhaps we could have a {disfmarker} a large gain , eh , just by looking at improving the , uh , recognition , not of phonemes , but of phoneme classes , simply .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} which is a s a s a simpler problem , perhaps , but {disfmarker} which is perhaps important for noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The other thing that strikes me , just looking at these numbers is , just taking the best cases , I mean , some of these , of course , even with all of our {disfmarker} our wonderful processing , still are horrible kinds of numbers . But just take the best case , the well - matched {pause} uh , German case after {disfmarker} er well - matched Danish after we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the kind of numbers we 're getting are about eight or nine {pause} uh {pause} p percent {pause} error {pause} per digit .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is obviously not usable ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you have ten digits for a phone number {comment} I mean , every now and then you 'll get it right . I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , {vocalsound} um So , I mean , the other thing is that , uh {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} a and {disfmarker} and also , um {pause} part of what 's nice about this is that this is , uh , {vocalsound} um {pause} a realistic {disfmarker} almost realistic database . I mean , it 's still not people who are really trying to accomplish something , but {disfmarker} but , uh , within the artificial setup , it isn't noise artificially added , you know , simulated , uh , additive noise .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's real noise condition . And , um , {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the training {disfmarker} the training , I guess , is always done on the close talking",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No , actually {disfmarker} actually the well - matched condition {pause} is {pause} still quite di still quite difficult .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's {disfmarker} they have all these data from the close mike and from the distant mike , {vocalsound} from different driving condition , open window , closed window ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and they take all of this and they take seventy percent , I think , for training and thirty percent for testing .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , training is done {vocalsound} on different conditions and different microphones , and testing also is done {pause} on different microphone and conditions . So , probably if we only take the close microphones , {vocalsound} I guess the results should be much much better than this .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that explains it partially . Wha - what about i in {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} there is this , the mismatched is , um {pause} the same kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but {pause} the driving conditions , I mean the speed and the kind of road , is different for training and testing , is that right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the last condition is close microphone for training and distant for testing . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} s so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so I see . So , yeah , so the high {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} right {disfmarker} so the highly mismatched {vocalsound} case {pause} is in some sense a good model for what we 've been , you know , typically talking about when we talk about additive noise in {disfmarker} And so {disfmarker} and i i k it does correspond to a realistic situation in the sense that , {vocalsound} um , people might really be trying to , uh , call out telephone numbers or some or something like that , in {disfmarker} in their cars",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and they 're trying to connect to something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually , yeah , it 's very close to clean speech training because , well , because the close microphone {vocalsound} and noisy speech testing ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And the well - matched condition {pause} is what you might imagine that you might be able to approach , if you know that this is the application . You 're gonna record a bunch on people in cars and so forth , and do these training . And then , uh , when y you sell it to somebody , they will be a different person with a different car , and so on . So it 's {disfmarker} this is a an optim somewhat optimistic view on it , uh , so , you know , the real thing is somewhere in between the two .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , uh , but",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} I mean , the {pause} th th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Even the optimistic one is",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "it doesn't work .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right . Right , it doesn't work . So , in a way , that 's , you know , that 's sort of the dominant thing is that even , say on the development set stuff that we saw , the , uh , the numbers that , uh , that Alcatel was getting when choosing out the best single numbers , {vocalsound} it was just {disfmarker} you know , it wasn't good enough for {disfmarker} for {pause} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} for a real system .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you , {vocalsound} um So , uh , we still have stuff to do .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and , uh I don't know So , looking at the data , where , you know {disfmarker} what 's the {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what 's th what 's characteristic i e yeah , I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's a good thing . Does a any you have any thoughts about what else {vocalsound} y you 're thinking that you didn't get to that you would like to do if you had more time ? Uh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , f a lot of thing . Because we trying a lot of s {pause} thing , and we doesn't work , {vocalsound} we remove these . Maybe {vocalsound} we trying again with the articulatory feature . I don't know exactly because we tried {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} one experiment that doesn't work . Um , forgot it , something {pause} I don't know exactly",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because , tsk {comment} {vocalsound} maybe do better some step the general , {vocalsound} eh , diagram .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly s to think what we can improve .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cuz a lot of time it 's true , there were a lot of times when we 've tried something and it didn't work right away , even though we had an intuition that there should be something there . And so then we would just stop it . Um And , uh , one of the things {disfmarker} I don't remember the details on , but I remember at some point , when you were working with a second stream , and you tried a low - pass filtering to cepstrum , in some case you got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "MSG Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , but it was {comment} an MSG - like thing , but it wasn't MSG , right ? Uh , you {disfmarker} y I think in some case you got some little improvement , but it was , you know , sort of a small improvement , and it was a {disfmarker} a big added complication , so you dropped it . But , um , that was just sort of one try , right ? You just took one filter , threw it there ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ? And it seems to me that , um , if that is an important idea , which , you know , might be , that one could work at it for a while , as you 're saying .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh Uh , and you had , you know , you had the multi - band things also , and , you know , there was issue of that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , Barry 's going to be , uh , continuing working on multi - band things as well .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We were just talking about , um , {vocalsound} some , uh , some work that we 're interested in . Kind of inspired by the stuff by Larry Saul with the , uh {pause} uh , learning articulatory feature in {disfmarker} I think , in the case of his paper {disfmarker} with sonorance based on , uh , multi - band information where you have a {disfmarker} a combination of gradient learning an and , uh , EM .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , and {pause} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um , so , I think that , you know , this is a , uh {disfmarker} this is a neat data set . Um , and then , uh , as we mentioned before , we also have the {disfmarker} the new , uh , digit set coming up from recordings in this room . So , there 's a lot of things to work with . Um and , uh what I like about it , in a way , is that , uh , the results are still so terrible . Uh {pause} {vocalsound} Uh {pause} {vocalsound} I mean , they 're much better than they were , you know . We 're talking about thirty to sixty percent , uh , error rate reduction . That 's {disfmarker} that 's really great stuff to {disfmarker} to do that in relatively short time . But even after that it 's still , you know , so poor that {disfmarker} that , uh , no one could really use it . So , um I think that 's great that {disfmarker} because {disfmarker} and y also because again , it 's not something {disfmarker} sometimes we 've gotten terrible results by taking some data , and artificially , you know , convolving it with some room response , or something {disfmarker} we take a very {disfmarker} Uh , at one point , uh , Brian and I went downstairs into the {disfmarker} the basement where it was {disfmarker} it was in a hallway where it was very reverberant and we {disfmarker} we made some recordings there . And then we {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we , uh {disfmarker} uh , made a simulation of the {disfmarker} of the room acoustics there and {disfmarker} and applied it to other things ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and uh But it was all pretty artificial , and {disfmarker} and , you know , how often would you really try to have your most crucial conversations in this very reverberant hallway ? Um {pause} So , uh {pause} This is what 's nice about the Aurora data and the data here , is that {disfmarker} is that it 's sort of a realistic room situation {pause} uh , acoustics {disfmarker} acoustic situation , both terms in noise and reflections , and so on and n n And , uh , uh , with something that 's still relatively realistic , it 's still very very hard to do very well . So Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so d well Actually , this is {disfmarker} tha that 's why we {disfmarker} well , it 's a different kind of data . We 're not {disfmarker} we 're not used to work with this kind of data . That 's why we should have a loo more closer look at what 's going on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um Yeah . So this would be the first thing , and then , of course , try to {disfmarker} well , {vocalsound} kind of debug what was wrong , eh , when we do Aurora test on the MSG {pause} particularly , and on the multi - band .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Uh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . No , I {disfmarker} I think there 's lots of {disfmarker} lots of good things to do with this . So Um So let 's {disfmarker} I guess {pause} You were gonna say something else ? Oh , OK . What do you think ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "About",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Anything",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "About other experiments ? Uh , now , I 'm interested in , um , uh {pause} looking at the experiments where you use , um {pause} uh , data from multiple languages to train the neural net . And I don't know how far , or if you guys even had a chance to try that , but {pause} that would be some it 'd be interesting to me .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Yeah , but",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "S b",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Again , it 's the kind of {disfmarker} of thing that , uh , we were thin thinking {disfmarker} thinking that it would work , but it didn't work . And , eh , so there is kind of {disfmarker} of {pause} not a bug , but something wrong in what we are doing , perhaps .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Uh , something wrong , perhaps in the {disfmarker} just in the {disfmarker} the fact that the labels are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"content": "well",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "What worked best is the hand - labeled data .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Um Uh , so , yeah . I don't know if we can get some hand - labeled data from other languages .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's not so easy to find .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "But {pause} that would be something interesting t to {disfmarker} to see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Also , uh , {vocalsound} I mean , there was just the whole notion of having multiple nets that were trained on different data . So one form of different data was {disfmarker} is from different languages , but the other Well , i in fact , uh , m in those experiments it wasn't so much combining multiple nets , it was a single net that had different",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , first thing is would it be better if they were multiple nets , for some reason ? Second thing is , never mind the different languages , just having acoustic conditions rather than training them all up in one , would it be helpful to have different ones ? So , um That was a question that was kind of raised by Mike Shire 's thesis , and on {disfmarker} in that case in terms of reverberation . Right ? That {disfmarker} that sometimes it might be better to do that . But , um , {vocalsound} I don't think we know for sure . So , um Right . So , next week , we , uh , won't meet because you 'll be in Europe . Whe - when are you two getting back ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , I 'm",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You on Friday or S on Saturday or {pause} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sunday",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "S oh yeah , Sunday , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because it 's {disfmarker} it 's less expensive , the price {disfmarker} the price the ticket .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right . You 've gotta S have a Saturday overnight , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'll be back on Tuesday .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Tuesday .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} where 's the meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Amsterdam , I think , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Amsterdam .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yep . Um {pause} So , we 'll skip next week , and we 'll meet two weeks from now . And , uh , I guess the main topic will be , uh , you telling us what happened .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so Yeah , well , if we don't have an anything else to discuss , we should , uh , turn off the machine and then say the real nasty things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Should we do digits first ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , digits .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , digits ! Yeah . Good point . Yeah , good thinking . Why don't you go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
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"topic": "Spectral subtraction"
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"answer": "The meeting was about various approaches that the team could pursue for further research. The team initially discussed the delay between the frequency bands which was causing problems in the model deployment. They then discussed how spectral subtraction could help various tasks. The meeting ended with more ideas on improving the model, like directionality of voice and looking at smaller units of sound in recordings.",
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"answer": "The team was looking at existing models and thinking about the various bugs that they had to deal with. The frequency differences in the FIR filters was one. Another thing they wanted to look into was handling additive noise, which they had not dealt with explicitly.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about FIR filters and dealing with additive noise",
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"answer": "The team thought that around 250 milliseconds was a good heuristic to detect the end of the utterance. The utterance recognition also had some processing time attached, increasing the delay.",
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"137"
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"answer": "The professor said that people adamantly insist on going in with a brain damaged system, overlooking straight forward solutions. He thought that the lag should not be too long for the task.",
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"112"
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"answer": "The team discussed how sonorance detection could constitute a low-level feature that their models detected. In one of the models, low level detectors are looking for specific sonorance features which are more robust than typical full-band Gaussian mixtures.",
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"answer": "The professor told the group that the current neural network had a sigmoid with a weighted sum as a low level detector. It trained using gradient descent. He suggested they delve into this further on Friday.",
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"answer": "Grad E started the discussion on sonorance and informed the team of the model by Saul, Allen, and Rahim. The model detects phonetic features using independent tests. He explained that several detectors trained on different features were more robust than a full-band of Gaussian mixtures.",
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"content": "OK , we 're on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , what are we talking about today ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Do you have news from the conference talk ? Uh , that was programmed for yesterday {disfmarker} I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yesterday",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yesterday morning on video conference .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "oh , I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Conference call .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I know {disfmarker} now I know what you 're talking about . No , nobody 's told me anything .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , this was the , uh , talk where they were supposed to try to decide {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "To {disfmarker} to decide what to do ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , that would have been a good thing to find out before this meeting , that 's . No , I have no {disfmarker} I have no idea . Um , Uh , so I mean , let 's {disfmarker} let 's assume for right now that we 're just kind of plugging on ahead ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because even if they tell us that , uh , the rules are different , uh , we 're still interested in doing what we 're doing . So what are you doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , well , we 've {disfmarker} a little bit worked on trying to see , uh , what were the bugs and the problem with the latencies .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To improve {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , We took {disfmarker} first we took the LDA filters and , {vocalsound} uh , we designed new filters , using uh recursive filters actually .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So when you say \" we \" , is that something Sunil is doing or is that {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Who is doing that ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , us . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So we took the filters {disfmarker} the FIR filters {vocalsound} and we {comment} designed , uh , IIR filters that have the same frequency response .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , similar , but that have shorter delays .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So they had two filters , one for the low frequency bands and another for the high frequency bands . And so we redesigned two filters . And the low frequency band has sixty - four milliseconds of delay , and the high frequency band filter has something like eleven milliseconds compared to the two hundred milliseconds of the IIR filters . But it 's not yet test . So we have the filters but we still have to implement a routine that does recursive filtering",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you had a discussion with Sunil about this though ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No . No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah , you should talk with him .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I mean , because the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the whole problem that happened before was coordination ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ? So {disfmarker} so you need to discuss with him what we 're doing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , cuz they could be doing the same thing and {disfmarker} or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , I {disfmarker} yeah , I don't know if th that 's what they were trying to {disfmarker} They were trying to do something different like taking , uh {disfmarker} well , using filter that takes only a past",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and this is just a little bit different . But I will I will send him an email and tell him exactly what we are doing , so .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} We just {disfmarker} we just have to be in contact more . I think that {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the fact that we {disfmarker} we did that with {disfmarker} had that thing with the latencies was indicative of the fact that there wasn't enough communication .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , Yeah . Well , there is w one , um , remark about these filters , that they don't have a linear phase . So ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't know , perhaps it {disfmarker} perhaps it doesn't hurt because the phase is almost linear but . Um , and so , yeah , for the delay I gave you here , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , computed on the five hertz modulation frequency , which is the {disfmarker} mmm , well , the most important for speech so . Uh , this is the first thing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that would be , uh , a reduction of a hundred and thirty - six milliseconds ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The low f f",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "which , uh {disfmarker} What was the total we ended up with through the whole system ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Three hundred and thirty .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that would be within {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but there are other points actually , uh , which will perhaps add some more delay . Is that some other {disfmarker} other stuff in the process were perhaps not very {disfmarker} um perf well , not very correct , like the downsampling which w was simply dropping frames .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so we will try also to add a nice downsampling having a filter that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "well , a low - pass filter at {disfmarker} at twenty - five hertz . Uh , because wh when {disfmarker} when we look at the LDA filters , well , they are basically low - pass but they leave a lot of what 's above twenty - five hertz .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , and so , yeah , this will be another filter which would add ten milliseconds again .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , and then there 's a third thing , is that , um , basically the way on - line normalization was done uh , is just using this recursion on {disfmarker} on the um , um , on the feature stream ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} but this is a filter , so it has also a delay . Uh , and when we look at this filter actually it has a delay of eighty - five milliseconds . So if we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Eighty - five .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If we want to be very correct , so if we want to {disfmarker} the estimation of the mean t t to {disfmarker} to be {disfmarker} well , the right estimation of the mean , we have to t to take eighty - five milliseconds in the future . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ! That 's a little bit of a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , But , well , when we add up everything it 's {disfmarker} it will be alright . We would be at six so , sixty - five , plus ten , plus {disfmarker} for the downsampling , plus eighty - five for the on - line normalization . So it 's",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "plus {disfmarker} plus eighty for the neural net and PCA .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , but then there 's {disfmarker} Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it would be around two hundred and forty {disfmarker} so , well ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just barely in there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "plus {disfmarker} plus the frames , but it 's OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What 's the allowable ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Two - fifty , unless they changed the rules .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which there is {disfmarker} there 's some discussion of .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What were they thinking of changing it to ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well the people who had very low latency want it to be low {disfmarker} uh , very {disfmarker} {vocalsound} very very narrow , uh , latency bound . And the people who have longer latency don't . So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Unfortunately we 're the main ones with long latency , but",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and basically the best proposal had something like thirty or forty milliseconds of latency .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so they were basically {disfmarker} I mean , they were more or less trading computation for performance and we were , uh , trading latency for performance . And they were dealing with noise explicitly and we weren't , and so I think of it as complementary , that if we can put the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Think of it as what ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Complementary .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
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"content": "I think the best systems {disfmarker} so , uh , everything that we did in in a way it was {disfmarker} it was just adamantly insisting on going in with a brain damaged system , which is something {disfmarker} actually , we 've done a lot over the last thirteen years . Uh , {vocalsound} which is we say , well this is the way we should do it . And then we do it . And then someone else does something that 's straight forward . So , w th w this was a test that largely had additive noise and we did {disfmarker} we adde did absolutely nothing explicitly to handle ad additive noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We just , uh , you know , trained up systems to be more discriminant . And , uh , we did this , uh , RASTA - like filtering which was done in the log domain and was tending to handle convolutional noise . We did {disfmarker} we actually did nothing about additive noise . So , um , the , uh , spectral sub subtraction schemes a couple places did seem to seem to do a nice job . And so , uh , we 're talking about putting {disfmarker} putting some of that in while still keeping some of our stuff . I think you should be able to end up with a system that 's better than both but clearly the way that we 're operating for this other stuff does involved some latency to {disfmarker} to get rid of most of that latency . To get down to forty or fifty milliseconds we 'd have to throw out most of what we 're doing . And {disfmarker} and , uh , I don't think there 's any good reason for it in the application actually . I mean , you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're speaking to a recognizer on a remote server and , uh , having a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a quarter second for some processing to clean it up . It doesn't seem like it 's that big a deal .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "These aren't large vocabulary things so the decoder shouldn't take a really long time , and .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And I don't think anybody 's gonna notice the difference between a quarter of a second of latency and thirty milliseconds of latency .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So . No . What {disfmarker} what does {disfmarker} wa was your experience when you were doing this stuff with , uh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the surgical , uh , uh , microscopes and so forth . Um , how long was it from when somebody , uh , finished an utterance to when , uh , something started happening ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , we had a silence detector , so we would look for the end of an utterance based on the silence detector .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I can't remember now off the top of my head how many frames of silence we had to detect before we would declare it to be the end of an utterance .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , but it was , uh , I would say it was probably around the order of two hundred and fifty milliseconds .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and that 's when you 'd start doing things .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we did the back trace at that point to get the answer .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Of course that didn't take too long at that point .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , no it was pretty quick .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} so you had a",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "this w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so you had a {disfmarker} a quarter second delay before , uh , plus some little processing time ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then the {disfmarker} the microscope would start moving or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And there 's physical inertia there , so probably the {disfmarker} the motion itself was all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And it felt to , uh , the users that it was instantaneous . I mean , as fast as talking to a person . It {disfmarker} th I don't think anybody ever complained about the delay .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you would think as long as it 's under half a second or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'm not an expert on that",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't think you can really tell . A person {disfmarker} I don't think a person can tell the difference between , uh , you know , a quarter of a second and a hundred milliseconds , and {disfmarker} I 'm not even sure if we can tell the difference between a quarter of a second and half a second .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean it just {disfmarker} it feels so quick .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , basically if you {disfmarker} yeah , if you said , uh , um , \" what 's the , uh , uh {disfmarker} what 's the shortest route to the opera ? \" and it took half a second to get back to you ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , {vocalsound} it would be f I mean , it might even be too abrupt . You might have to put in a s a s {vocalsound} a delay .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , it may feel different than talking to a person",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "because when we talk to each other we tend to step on each other 's utterances . So like if I 'm asking you a question , you may start answering before I 'm even done .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} it would probably feel different",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but I don't think it would feel slow .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , anyway , I mean , I think {disfmarker} we could cut {disfmarker} we know what else , we could cut down on the neural net time by {disfmarker} by , uh , playing around a little bit , going more into the past , or something like that . We t we talked about that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So is the latency from the neural net caused by how far ahead you 're looking ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And there 's also {disfmarker} well , there 's the neural net and there 's also this , uh , uh , multi - frame , uh , uh , KLT .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't there {disfmarker} Was it in the , uh , recurrent neural nets where they weren't looking ahead at all ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They weren't looking ahead much . They p they looked ahead a little bit .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "A little bit . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I mean , you could do this with a recurrent net . And {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} But you also could just , um , I mean , we haven't experimented with this but I imagine you could , um , uh , predict a , uh {disfmarker} um , a label , uh , from more in the past than in {disfmarker} than {disfmarker} than in the future . I mean , we 've d we 've done some stuff with that before . I think it {disfmarker} it works OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We 've always had {disfmarker} usually we used the symmetric windows",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but I don't think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we 've {disfmarker} but we played a little bit with {disfmarker} with asymmetric , guys .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You can do it . So . So , that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what you 're busy with , s messing around with this ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . And , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Also we were thinking to {disfmarker} to , uh , apply the eh , spectral subtraction from Ericsson",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and to {disfmarker} to change the contextual KLT for LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Change the what ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The contextual KLT .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm missing that last word . Context",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "K {disfmarker} KLT .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "KLT .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "KLT {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . KLT .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , KLT .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "KLT , I 'm sorry . Uh , to change and use LDA discriminative .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What is the advantage of that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's that by the for the moment we have , uh , something that 's discriminant and nonlinear . And the other is linear but it 's not discriminant at all . Well , it 's it 's a linear transformation , that {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So at least just to understand maybe what the difference was between how much you were getting from just putting the frames together and how much you 're getting from the discriminative , what the nonlinearity does for you or doesn't do for you . Just to understand it a little better I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Well {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} yeah . Actually what we want to do , perhaps it 's to replace {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to have something that 's discriminant but linear , also . And to see if it {disfmarker} if it improves ov over {disfmarker} over the non - discriminant linear transformation .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And if the neural net is better than this or , well . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , that 's what I meant , is to see whether {disfmarker} whether it {disfmarker} having the neural net really buys you anything .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ye Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , it doe did look like it buys you something over just the KLT .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But maybe it 's just the discrimination and {disfmarker} and maybe {disfmarker} yeah , maybe the nonlinear discrimination isn't necessary .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Could be .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Good {disfmarker} good to know . But the other part you were saying was the spectral subtraction , so you just kind of , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "At what stage do you do that ? Do you {disfmarker} you 're doing that , um {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So it would be on the um {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the mel frequency bands ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We was think",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so . Yeah , be before everything .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so just do that on the mel f",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "we {disfmarker} no {disfmarker} nnn We {disfmarker} we was thinking to do before after VAD or",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , {comment} we don't know exactly when it 's better .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Before after VAD or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so you know that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that the way that they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and then",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , one thing that would be no {disfmarker} good to find out about from this conference call is that what they were talking about , what they 're proposing doing , was having a third party , um , run a good VAD , and {disfmarker} and determine boundaries .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then given those boundaries , then have everybody do the recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Begin to work .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The reason for that was that , um , uh {disfmarker} if some one p one group put in the VAD and another didn't , uh , or one had a better VAD than the other since that {disfmarker} they 're not viewing that as being part of the {disfmarker} the task , and that any {disfmarker} any manufacturer would put a bunch of effort into having some s kind of good speech - silence detection . It still wouldn't be perfect but I mean , e the argument was \" let 's not have that be part of this test . \" \" Let 's {disfmarker} let 's separate that out . \" And so , uh , I guess they argued about that yesterday and , yeah , I 'm sorry , I don't {disfmarker} don't know the answer but we should find out . I 'm sure we 'll find out soon what they , uh {disfmarker} what they decided . So , uh {disfmarker} Yeah , so there 's the question of the VAD but otherwise it 's {disfmarker} it 's on the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the mel fil filter bank , uh , energies I guess ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You do {disfmarker} doing the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And you 're {disfmarker} you 're subtracting in the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} I guess it 's power {disfmarker} power domain , uh , or {disfmarker} or magnitude domain . Probably power domain , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I guess it 's power domain , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "why",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} yeah , so it 's before everything else ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yep .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you look at the theory , it 's {disfmarker} it should be in the power domain but {disfmarker} but , uh , I 've seen implementations where people do it in the magnitude domain",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I have asked people why and they shrug their shoulders and say , \" oh , it works . \" So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and there 's this {disfmarker} I guess there 's this mysterious {disfmarker} I mean people who do this a lot I guess have developed little tricks of the trade . I mean , there 's {disfmarker} there 's this , um {disfmarker} you don't just subtract the {disfmarker} the estimate of the noise spectrum . You subtract th that times {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "A little bit more and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or less , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Huh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And generated this {disfmarker} this ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "um , so you have the estimation of the power spectra of the noise , and you multiply this by a factor which is depend dependent on the SNR . So . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "When the speech lev when the signal level is more important , compared to this noise level , the coefficient is small , and around one . But when the power le the s signal level is uh small compared to the noise level , the coefficient is more important . And this reduce actually the music musical noise ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh which is more important during silence portions ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "when the s the energy 's small .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So there are tricks like this but , mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is the estimate of the noise spectrum a running estimate ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} I mean , that 's what differs from different {disfmarker} different tasks and different s uh , spectral subtraction methods .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if {disfmarker} if you have , uh , fair assurance that , uh , the noise is {disfmarker} is quite stationary , then the smartest thing to do is use as much data as possible to estimate the noise , get a much better estimate , and subtract it off .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But if it 's varying at all , which is gonna be the case for almost any real situation , you have to do it on - line , uh , with some forgetting factor or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So do you {disfmarker} is there some long window that extends into the past over which you calculate the average ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's a lot of different ways of computing the noise spectrum . So one of the things that , uh , Hans - Guenter Hirsch did , uh {disfmarker} and pas and other people {disfmarker} actually , he 's {disfmarker} he wasn't the only one I guess , was to , uh , take some period of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of speech and in each band , uh , develop a histogram . So , to get a decent histogram of these energies takes at least a few seconds really . But , uh {disfmarker} I mean you can do it with a smaller amount but it 's pretty rough . And , um , in fact I think the NIST standard method of determining signal - to - noise ratio is based on this .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "A couple seconds ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} No , no , it 's based on this kind of method ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "this histogram method . So you have a histogram . Now , if you have signal and you have noise , you basically have these two bumps in the histogram , which you could approximate as two Gaussians .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But wh don't they overlap sometimes ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So you have a mixture of two Gaussians .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And you can use EM to figure out what it is . You know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so basically now you have this mixture of two Gaussians , you {disfmarker} you n know what they are , and , uh {disfmarker} I mean , sorry , you estimate what they are , and , uh , so this gives you what the signal is and what the noise e energy is in that band in the spectrum . And then you look over the whole thing and now you have a noise spectrum . So , uh , Hans - Guenter Hirsch and others have used that kind of method . And the other thing to do is {disfmarker} which is sort of more trivial and obvious {comment} {disfmarker} is to , uh , uh , determine through magical means that {disfmarker} that , uh , there 's no speech in some period , and then see what the spectrum is .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but , you know , it 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's tricky to do . It has mistakes . Uh , and if you 've got enough time , uh , this other method appears to be somewhat more reliable . Uh , a variant on that for just determining signal - to - noise ratio is to just , uh {disfmarker} you can do a w a uh {disfmarker} an iterative thing , EM - like thing , to determine means only . I guess it is EM still , but just {disfmarker} just determine the means only . Don't worry about the variances .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you just use those mean values as being the {disfmarker} the , uh uh signal - to - noise ratio in that band .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But what is the {disfmarker} it seems like this kind of thing could add to the latency . I mean , depending on where the window was that you used to calculate {pause} the signal - to - noise ratio .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . But {disfmarker} Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Not necessarily . Cuz if you don't look into the future , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , well that {disfmarker} I guess that was my question ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "if you just {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you just {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} you , uh {disfmarker} a at the beginning you have some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Guess .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "esti some guess and {disfmarker} and , uh , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's an interesting question . I wonder how they did do it ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Actually , it 's a mmm {disfmarker} If - if you want to have a good estimation on non - stationary noise you have to look in the {disfmarker} in the future . I mean , if you take your window and build your histogram in this window , um , what you can expect is to have an estimation of th of the noise in {disfmarker} in the middle of the window , not at the end . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but what does {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what does Alcatel do ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and France Telecom .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The They just look in the past . I guess it works because the noise are , uh pret uh , almost stationary",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Pretty stationary .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Pretty stationary ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the thing , e e e e",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , y I mean , you 're talking about non - stationary noise but I think that spectral subtraction is rarely {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is not gonna work really well for {disfmarker} for non - stationary noise ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , if y if you have a good estimation of the noise ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah , because well it it has to work .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But it 's hard to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but that 's hard to do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's hard to do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker} so I think that {disfmarker} that what {disfmarker} what is {disfmarker} wh what 's more common is that you 're going to be helped with r slowly varying or stationary noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's what spectral subtraction will help with , practically speaking .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If it varies a lot , to get a If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} to get a good estimate you need a few seconds of speech , even if it 's centered , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "if you need a few seconds to get a decent estimate but it 's changed a lot in a few seconds , then it , you know , i it 's kind of a problem .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , imagine e five hertz is the middle of the {disfmarker} of the speech modulation spectrum ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ? So imagine a jack hammer going at five hertz .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , good {disfmarker} good luck . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So in this case , yeah , sure , you cannot {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But I think y um , Hirsch does experiment with windows of like between five hundred milliseconds and one second . And well , five hundred wa was not so bad . I mean and he worked on non - stationary noises , like noise modulated with well , wi with amplitude modulations and things like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Were his , uh , windows centered around the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} Um , yeah . Well , I think {disfmarker} Yeah . Well , in {disfmarker} in the paper he showed that actually the estimation of the noise is {disfmarker} is delayed . Well , it 's {disfmarker} there is {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you have to center the window , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , I understand it 's better to do but I just think that {disfmarker} that , uh , for real noises wh what {disfmarker} what 's most likely to happen is that there 'll be some things that are relatively stationary",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "where you can use one or another spectral subtraction thing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and other things where it 's not so stationary and {disfmarker} I mean , you can always pick something that {disfmarker} that falls between your methods ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , uh , but I don't know if , you know , if sinusoidally , uh , modul amplitude modulated noise is {disfmarker} is sort of a big problem in {disfmarker} in in {disfmarker} practice .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think that {vocalsound} it 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We could probably get a really good estimate of the noise if we just went to the noise files , and built the averages from them .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} What do you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just cheat {disfmarker} You 're saying , cheat .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But if the {disfmarker} if the noise is stationary perhaps you don't even need some kind of noise estimation algorithm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "We just take th th th the beginning of the utterance and",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I I know p I don't know if people tried this for Aurora .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's the same .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , everybody seems to use some kind of adaptive , well , scheme",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "A dictionary .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "is it very useful",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know , stationary {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Very slow adaptation .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and is the c",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right , the word \" stationary \" is {disfmarker} has a very precise statistical meaning . But , you know , in {disfmarker} in signal - processing really what we 're talking about I think is things that change slowly , uh , compared with our {disfmarker} our processing techniques .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So if you 're driving along in a car I {disfmarker} I would think that most of the time the nature of the noise is going to change relatively slowly . It 's not gonna stay absolute the same . If you {disfmarker} if you check it out , uh , five minutes later you may be in a different part of the road",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or whatever . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} i i i using the local characteristics in time , is probably going to work pretty well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But you could get hurt a lot if you just took some something from the beginning of all the speech , of , you know , an hour of speech and then later {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so they may be {disfmarker} you know , may be overly , uh , complicated for {disfmarker} for this test but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , uh , I don't know . But what you 're saying , you know , makes sense , though . I mean , if possible you shouldn't {disfmarker} you should {disfmarker} you should make it , uh , the center of the {disfmarker} center of the window . But {disfmarker} uh , we 're already having problems with these delay , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} delay issues .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , we 'll have to figure ways without it . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "If they 're going to provide a , uh , voice activity detector that will tell you the boundaries of the speech , then , couldn't you just go outside those boundaries and do your estimate there ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . You bet . Yeah . So I {disfmarker} I imagine that 's what they 're doing , right ? Is they 're {disfmarker} they 're probably looking in nonspeech sections and getting some , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they have some kind of threshold on {disfmarker} on the previous estimate , and {disfmarker} So . Yeah . I think . Yeah , I think Ericsson used this kind of threshold . Yeah , so , they h they have an estimate of the noise level and they put a threshold like six or ten DB above , and what 's under this threshold is used to update the estimate . Is {disfmarker} is that right",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I have not here the proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's like saying what 's under the threshold is silence ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Does France Telecom do this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Does France Telecom do th do the same thing ? More or less ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I d I {disfmarker} Y you know , perhaps ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . I do I have not here the proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , OK , if we 're {disfmarker} we 're done {disfmarker} done with that , uh , let 's see . Uh , maybe we can talk about a couple other things briefly , just , uh , things that {disfmarker} that we 've been chatting about but haven't made it into these meetings yet . So you 're coming up with your quals proposal , and , uh {disfmarker} Wanna just give a two three minute summary of what you 're planning on doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um , two , three , it can be shorter than that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , I 've {disfmarker} I 've talked to some of you already . Um , but I 'm , uh , looking into extending the work done by Larry Saul and John Allen and uh Mazin Rahim . Um , they {disfmarker} they have a system that 's , uh , a multi - band , um , system but their multi - band is {disfmarker} is a little different than the way that we 've been doing multi - band in the past , where um {disfmarker} Where we 've been @ @ {comment} uh taking {pause} um {pause} {vocalsound} sub - band features and i training up these neural nets and {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on phonetic targets , and then combining them some somehow down the line , um , they 're {disfmarker} they 're taking sub - band features and , um , training up a detector that detects for , um , these phonetic features for example , um , he presents um , uh , a detector to detect sonorance . And so what {disfmarker} what it basically is {disfmarker} is , um {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} at the lowest level , there {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's an OR ga I mean , it 's an AND gate . So , uh , on each sub - band you have several independent tests , to test whether um , there 's the existence of sonorance in a sub - band . And then , um , it c it 's combined by a soft AND gate . And at the {disfmarker} at the higher level , for every {disfmarker} if , um {disfmarker} The higher level there 's a soft OR gate . Uh , so if {disfmarker} if this detector detects um , the presence of {disfmarker} of sonorance in any of the sub - bands , then the detect uh , the OR gate at the top says , \" OK , well this frame has evidence of sonorance . \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What are {disfmarker} what are some of the low level detectors that they use ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And these are all {disfmarker} Oh , OK . Well , the low level detectors are logistic regressions . Um , and the , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So that , by the way , basically is a {disfmarker} is one of the units in our {disfmarker} in our {disfmarker} our neural network .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the one o",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's all it is . It 's a sig it 's a sigmoid ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , with weighted sum at the input ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which you train by gradient {pause} descent .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , so he uses , um , an EM algorithm to {disfmarker} to um train up these um parameters for the logistic regression .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , actually , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so I was using EM to get the targets . So {disfmarker} so you have this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this AND gate {disfmarker} what we were calling an AND gate , but it 's a product {disfmarker} product rule thing at the output . And then he uses , uh , i u and then feeding into that are {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , there 's {disfmarker} it 's an OR at the output , isn't it ? Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so that 's the product . And then , um , then he has each of these AND things . And , um , but {disfmarker} so they 're little neural {disfmarker} neural units . Um , and , um , they have to have targets . And so the targets come from EM .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And so are each of these , low level detectors {comment} {disfmarker} are they , uh {disfmarker} are these something that you decide ahead of time , like \" I 'm going to look for this particular feature or I 'm going to look at this frequency , \" or {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are they looking at ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What are their inputs ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh Right , so the {disfmarker} OK , so at each for each sub - band {comment} there are basically , uh , several measures of SNR and {disfmarker} and correlation .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , um and he said there 's like twenty of these per {disfmarker} per sub - band . Um , and for {disfmarker} for every s every sub - band , e you {disfmarker} you just pick ahead of time , um , \" I 'm going to have like five {pause} i independent logistic tests . \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And you initialize these parameters , um , in some {disfmarker} some way and use EM to come up with your training targets for a {disfmarker} for the {disfmarker} the low - level detectors .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then , once you get that done , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you train the whole {disfmarker} whole thing on maximum likelihood . Um , and h he shows that using this {disfmarker} this method to detect sonorance is it 's very robust compared to , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to typical , uh , full - band Gaussian mixtures um estimations of {disfmarker} of sonorance .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh so {disfmarker} so that 's just {disfmarker} that 's just one detector . So you can imagine building many of these detectors on different features . You get enough of these detectors together , um , then you have enough information to do , um , higher level discrimination , for example , discriminating between phones",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then you keep working your way up until you {disfmarker} you build a full recognizer .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the direction which I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm thinking about going in my quals .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , it has a number of properties that I really liked . I mean , one is the going towards , um , using narrow band information for , uh , ph phonetic features of some sort rather than just , uh , immediately going for the {disfmarker} the typical sound units .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Another thing I like about it is that you t this thing is going to be trained {disfmarker} explicitly trained for a product of errors rule , which is what , uh , Allen keeps pointing out that Fletcher observed in the twenties ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , for people listening to narrow band stuff . That 's Friday 's talk , by the way . And then , um , Uh , the third thing I like about it is , uh , and we 've played around with this in a different kind of way a little bit but it hasn't been our dominant way of {disfmarker} of operating anything , um , this issue of where the targets come from . So in our case when we 've been training it multi - band things , the way we get the targets for the individual bands is , uh , that we get the phonetic label {disfmarker} for the sound there",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and we say , \" OK , we train every {disfmarker} \" What this is saying is , OK , that 's maybe what our ultimate goal is {disfmarker} or not ultimate but penultimate {vocalsound} goal is getting these {disfmarker} these small sound units . But {disfmarker} but , um , along the way how much should we , uh {disfmarker} uh , what should we be training these intermediate things for ? I mean , because , uh , we don't know uh , that this is a particularly good feature . I mean , there 's no way , uh {disfmarker} someone in the audience yesterday was asking , \" well couldn't you have people go through and mark the individual bands and say where the {disfmarker} where it was sonorant or not ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , I think having a bunch of people listening to critical band wide , {vocalsound} uh , chunks of speech trying to determine whether {disfmarker} {comment} I think it 'd be impossible .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ouch .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's all gonna sound like {disfmarker} like sine waves to you , more or less .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Well not I mean , it 's g all g narrow band uh , i I m I think it 's very hard for someone to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} a person to make that determination . So , um , um , we don't really know how those should be labeled . It could sh be that you should , um , not be paying that much attention to , uh , certain bands for certain sounds , uh , in order to get the best result .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , what we have been doing there , just sort of mixing it all together , is certainly much {disfmarker} much cruder than that . We trained these things up on the {disfmarker} on the , uh the final label . Now we have I guess done experiments {disfmarker} you 've probably done stuff where you have , um , done separate , uh , Viterbis on the different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Forced alignment on the sub - band labels ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "You 've done that . Did {disfmarker} did that help at all ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , it helps for one or t one iteration but um , anything after that it doesn't help .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so that may or may t it {disfmarker} that aspect of what he 's doing may or may not be helpful because in a sense that 's the same sort of thing . You 're taking global information and determining what you {disfmarker} how you should {disfmarker} But this is {disfmarker} this is , uh , I th I think a little more direct .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How did they measure the performance of their detector ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Well , he 's look he 's just actually looking at , uh , the confusions between sonorant and non - sonorant .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So he hasn't applied it to recognition or if he did he didn't talk about it . It 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} And one of the concerns in the audience , actually , was that {disfmarker} that , um , the , uh , uh {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he did a comparison to , uh , you know , our old foil , the {disfmarker} the nasty old standard recognizer with {vocalsound} mel {disfmarker} mel filter bank at the front , and H M Ms , and {disfmarker} and so forth . And , um , it didn't do nearly as well , especially in {disfmarker} in noise . But the {disfmarker} one of the good questions in the audience was , well , yeah , but that wasn't trained for that . I mean , this use of a very smooth , uh , spectral envelope is something that , you know , has evolved as being generally a good thing for speech recognition but if you knew that what you were gonna do is detect sonorants or not {disfmarker} So sonorants and non - sonorants is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is almost like voiced - unvoiced , except I guess that the voiced stops are {disfmarker} are also called \" obstruents \" . Uh , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} uh , but with the exception of the stops I guess it 's pretty much the same as voiced - unvoiced ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ? So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} Um . So , um , if you knew you were doing that , if you were doing something say for a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a Vocoder , you wouldn't use the same kind of features . You would use something that was sensitive to the periodicity and {disfmarker} and not just the envelope . Uh , and so in that sense it was an unfair test . Um , so I think that the questioner was right . It {disfmarker} it was in that sense an unfair test . Nonetheless , it was one that was interesting because , uh , this is what we are actually using for speech recognition , these smooth envelopes . And this says that perhaps even , you know , trying to use them in the best way that we can , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that we ordinarily do , with , you know , Gaussian mixtures and H M Ms {comment} and so forth , you {disfmarker} you don't , uh , actually do that well on determining whether something is sonorant or not .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Didn't they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Which means you 're gonna make errors between similar sounds that are son sonorant or obstruent .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Didn't they also do some kind of an oracle experiment where they said \" if we {pause} could detect the sonorants perfectly {pause} and then show how it would improve speech recognition ? I thought I remember hearing about an experiment like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The - these same people ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That would {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} you 're right , that 's exactly the question to follow up this discussion , is suppose you did that , uh , got that right . Um , Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What could be the other low level detectors , I mean , for {disfmarker} {comment} Other kind of features , or {disfmarker} ? in addition to detecting sonorants or {disfmarker} ? Th - that 's what you want to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to go for also",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What t Oh , build other {disfmarker} other detectors on different {pause} phonetic features ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Other low level detectors ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , uh Let 's see , um , Yeah , I d I don't know . e Um , um , I mean , w easiest thing would be to go {disfmarker} go do some voicing stuff but that 's very similar to sonorance .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "When we {disfmarker} when we talked with John Ohala the other day we made a list of some of the things that w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "like frication ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "abrupt closure ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "R - coloring , nasality , voicing {disfmarker} Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so there 's a half dozen like that that are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , nasality .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Now this was coming at it from a different angle but maybe it 's a good way to start . Uh , these are things which , uh , John felt that a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a human annotator would be able to reliably mark . So the sort of things he felt would be difficult for a human annotator to reliably mark would be tongue position kinds of things .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Placing stuff ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "There 's also things like stress .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You can look at stress .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But stress doesn't , uh , fit in this thing of coming up with features that will distinguish words from one another ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ? It 's a {disfmarker} it 's a good thing to mark and will probably help us ultimate with recognition",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's a few cases where it can like permit {comment} and permit .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} that 's not very common in English . In other languages it 's more uh , important .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , but i either case you 'd write PERMIT , right ? So you 'd get the word right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'm saying , i i e I thought you were saying that stress doesn't help you distinguish between words .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see what you 're saying . As long as you get {disfmarker} The sequence ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We 're g if we 're doing {disfmarker} if we 're talking about transcription as opposed to something else {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "right ? Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So where it could help is maybe at a higher level . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Like a understanding application .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Understanding , yeah . Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But that 's this afternoon 's meeting . Yeah . We don't understand anything in this meeting . Yeah , so that 's {disfmarker} yeah , that 's , you know , a neat {disfmarker} neat thing and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S so , um , Ohala 's going to help do these , uh {pause} transcriptions of the meeting data ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well I don't know . We d we sort of didn't get that far . Um , we just talked about some possible features that could be marked by humans and , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "because of having maybe some extra transcriber time we thought we could go through and mark some portion of the data for that . And , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's not an immediate problem , that we don't immediately have a lot of extra transcriber time .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , uh , in the long term I guess Chuck is gonna continue the dialogue with John and {disfmarker} and , uh , and , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll end up doing some I think .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm definitely interested in this area , too , f uh , acoustic feature stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think it 's an interesting {disfmarker} interesting way to go .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , I say it like \" said - int \" . I think it has a number of good things . Um , so , uh , y you want to talk maybe a c two or three minutes about what we 've been talking about today and other days ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ri Yeah , OK , so , um , we 're interested in , um , methods for far mike speech recognition , um , {pause} mainly , uh , methods that deal with the reverberation {pause} in the far mike signal . So , um , one approach would be , um , say MSG and PLP , like was used in Aurora one and , um , there are other approaches which actually attempt to {pause} remove the reverberation , instead of being robust to it like MSG . And so we 're interested in , um , comparing the performance of {pause} um , a robust approach like MSG with these , um , speech enhancement or de - reverber de - reverberation approaches .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And , um , {vocalsound} it looks like we 're gonna use the Meeting Recorder digits data for that .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "And the de - reverberation algorithm , do you have {disfmarker} can you give some more details on this or {disfmarker} ? Does it use one microphone ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "o o",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Several microphones ? Does it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , well , um , there was something that was done by , um , a guy named Carlos , I forget his last name , {comment} who worked with Hynek , who , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Avendano .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Who , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um , it was like RASTA in the sense that of it was , um , de - convolution by filtering um , except he used a longer time window ,",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "like a second maybe . And the reason for that is RASTA 's time window is too short to , um include the whole , um , reverberation {disfmarker} um , I don't know what you call it the reverberation response . I if you see wh if you see what I mean . The reverberation filter from my mouth to that mike is like {disfmarker} it 's t got it 's too long in the {disfmarker} in the time domain for the um {disfmarker} for the RASTA filtering to take care of it . And , um , then there are a couple of other speech enhancement approaches which haven't been tried for speech recognition yet but have just been tried for enhancement , which , um , have the assumption that um , you can do LPC um analysis of th of the signal you get at the far microphone and the , um , all pole filter that you get out of that should be good . It 's just the , um , excitation signal {comment} that is going to be distorted by the reverberation and so you can try and reconstruct a better excitation signal and , um , feed that through the i um , all pole filter and get enhanced speech with reverberation reduced .",
"speaker": "Grad F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There 's also this , uh , um , uh , echo cancellation stuff that we 've sort of been chasing , so , uh we have , uh {disfmarker} and when we 're saying these digits now we do have a close microphone signal and then there 's the distant microphone signal . And you could as a kind of baseline say , \" OK , given that we have both of these , uh , we should be able to do , uh , a cancellation . \" So that , uh , um , we {disfmarker} we , uh , essentially identify the system in between {disfmarker} the linear time invariant system between the microphones and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and re and invert it , uh , or {disfmarker} or cancel it out to {disfmarker} to some {disfmarker} some reasonable approximation",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "through one method or another . Uh , that 's not a practical thing , uh , if you have a distant mike , you don't have a close mike ordinarily , but we thought that might make {disfmarker} also might make a good baseline . Uh , it still won't be perfect because there 's noise . Uh , but {disfmarker} And then there are s uh , there are single microphone methods that I think people have done for , uh {disfmarker} for this kind of de - reverberation . Do y do you know any references to any ? Cuz I {disfmarker} I w I was {disfmarker} w w I {disfmarker} I lead him down a {disfmarker} a bad path on that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I g I guess {disfmarker} I guess when people are working with single microphones , they are more trying to do {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "well , not {disfmarker} not very {disfmarker} Well , there is the Avendano work ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but also trying to mmm , uh {disfmarker} trying to f t find the de - convolution filter but in the um {disfmarker} not in the time domain but in the uh the stream of features uh I guess . Well , @ @ {comment} there {disfmarker} there 's someone working on this on i in Mons",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So perhaps , yeah , we should try t to {disfmarker} He 's working on this , on trying to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "on re reverberation , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The first paper on this is gonna have great references , I can tell already .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's always good to have references , especially when reviewers read it or {disfmarker} or one of the authors and , {vocalsound} feel they 'll \" You 're OK , you 've r You cited me . \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah . Well , he did echo cancellation and he did some fancier things like , uh , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , training different network on different reverberation conditions and then trying to find the best one , but . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The oth the other thing , uh , that Dave was talking about earlier was , uh , uh , multiple mike things , uh , where they 're all distant . So , um , I mean , there 's {disfmarker} there 's all this work on arrays , but the other thing is , uh , {pause} what can we do that 's cleverer that can take some advantage of only two mikes , uh , particularly if there 's an obstruction between them , as we {disfmarker} as we have over there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "If there is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "An obstruction between them .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It creates a shadow which is {disfmarker} is helpful . It 's part of why you have such good directionality with , {vocalsound} with two ears",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "even though they 're not several feet apart . For most {disfmarker} for most people 's heads .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That could help though .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} Yeah , the {disfmarker} the head , in the way , is really {disfmarker} that 's what it 's for . It 's basically ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's what the head 's for ? To separate the ears ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's to separate the ears . That 's right , yeah . Yeah . Uh , so . Anyway , O K . Uh , I think that 's {disfmarker} that 's all we have this week .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": " And , uh , I think it 's digit time .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Actually the , um {disfmarker} For some reason the digit forms are blank .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I think th that may be due to the fact that {comment} Adam ran out of digits , {comment} uh , and didn't have time to regenerate any .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Oh ! I guess it 's {disfmarker} Well there 's no real reason to write our names on here then ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you want to put your credit card numbers and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "is there ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Or do {disfmarker} did any {disfmarker} do we need the names for the other stuff ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , I do need your names and {disfmarker} and the time , and all that ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "cuz we put that into the \" key \" files .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um . But w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's why we have the forms , uh , even if there are no digits .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , yeah , I didn't notice this . I 'm sitting here and I was {disfmarker} I was about to read them too . It 's a , uh , blank sheet of paper .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I guess we 're {disfmarker} we 're done .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , I 'll do my credit card number later . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
}
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"topic": "Low-pass down sampling"
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{
"answer": "The meeting began with the professor discussing the technical features of their recordings. The interaction between the hardware and the model had to be mediated through different techniques. Some members on the team were working on low-pass down-sampling as a replacement for LDA filters. Low-pass seemed to perform better, but the team was uncertain about its robustness. The professor thought that the team should submit something to Eurospeech and that they should further study reverberation. The professor thought that studying spectrograms would be a good place to start. The team then discussed VAD and line mean normalization as techniques for getting rid of noise. The meeting ended with a brief discussion on feature detection.",
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"answer": "The professor noted that a major component in one of the waves was the air conditioner. The team had to be more cognizant about these kind reverberations in the recordings. After a threshold, the reverberations interfered with the recordings. The team thought they could look at spectral slices to further understand the problem.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on patterns of noise in the recordings",
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"answer": "The professor informed the team that noise was affecting their recordings but Dan had assured him that the quantization effect was not significant. He thought that the team should update their web page to better reflect their understanding of the topic.",
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"answer": "PhD B thought that a smaller capacitor might help with reverberation. PhD B was also interested in the cutoff frequency to ensure that reverberation does not interfere with speech too much. PhD B thought it was around 20.",
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"answer": "Eurospeech was taking place in Denmark and the team was planning on submitting a paper to it. The team was also discussing how to best present the reverberation problem. The team thought that the spectral effects of the reverberation were very clear. They would have to figure out how to remove the sources of variance from the data to capture only the main voice.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on Eurospeech and reverberation",
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"answer": "PhD F explained that they were trying to do something with meeting recorder digits for Eurospeech. Some people on OGI were working on a paper due on the 13th of May.",
"query": "What did the PhD F think about Eurospeech?",
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"answer": "PhD F informed the group that the preliminary results from spectral subtraction were very bad. Mean normalization brought noise to around zero. Mean and variance normalization helped with speech but not with noise variance.",
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{
"content": "OK . We 're on .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hello ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so uh {vocalsound} had some interesting mail from uh Dan Ellis . Actually , I think he {disfmarker} he {vocalsound} redirected it to everybody also so uh {vocalsound} the PDA mikes uh have a big bunch of energy at {disfmarker} at uh five hertz uh where this came up was that uh I was showing off these wave forms that we have on the web and {disfmarker} and uh {vocalsound} I just sort of hadn't noticed this , but that {disfmarker} the major , major component in the wave {disfmarker} in the second wave form in that pair of wave forms is actually the air conditioner .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So . So . I {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I have to be more careful about using that as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} as a good illustration , uh , in fact it 's not , of uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of the effects of room reverberation . It is isn't a bad illustration of the effects of uh room noise . {vocalsound} on {disfmarker} on uh some mikes uh but So . And then we had this other discussion about um {vocalsound} whether this affects the dynamic range , cuz I know , although we start off with thirty two bits , you end up with uh sixteen bits and {vocalsound} you know , are we getting hurt there ? But uh Dan is pretty confident that we 're not , that {disfmarker} that quantization error is not {disfmarker} is still not a significant {vocalsound} factor there . So . So there was a question of whether we should change things here , whether we should {vocalsound} change a capacitor on the input box for that or whether we should",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he suggested a smaller capacitor , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . But then I had some other uh thing discussions with him",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "For the P D",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and the feeling was {vocalsound} once we start monk monkeying with that , uh , many other problems could ha happen . And additionally we {disfmarker} we already have a lot of data that 's been collected with that , so .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "A simple thing to do is he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he has a {disfmarker} I forget if it {disfmarker} this was in that mail or in the following mail , but he has a {disfmarker} a simple filter , a digital filter that he suggested . We just run over the data before we deal with it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um The other thing that I don't know the answer to , but when people are using Feacalc here , uh whether they 're using it with the high - pass filter option or not . And I don't know if anybody knows .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} I could go check .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But . Yeah . So when we 're doing all these things using our software there is {disfmarker} um if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's based on the RASTA - PLP program , {vocalsound} which does both PLP and RASTA - PLP {vocalsound} um then {vocalsound} uh there is an option there which then comes up through to Feacalc which {vocalsound} um allows you to do high - pass filtering and in general we like to do that , because of things like this and {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty {disfmarker} it 's not a very severe filter . Doesn't affect speech frequencies , even pretty low speech frequencies , at all , but it 's",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "What 's the {pause} cut - off frequency it used ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I don't know I wrote this a while ago",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Is it like twenty ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean I think there 's some effect above twenty but it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's mild . So , I mean it probably {disfmarker} there 's probably some effect up to a hundred hertz or something but it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty mild . I don't know in the {disfmarker} in the STRUT implementation of the stuff is there a high - pass filter or a pre pre - emphasis or something in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I think we use a pre - emphasis . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we want to go and check that in i for anything that we 're going to use the P D A mike for . {vocalsound} uh He says that there 's a pretty good roll off in the PZM mikes so {vocalsound} we don't need {disfmarker} need to worry about them one way or the other but if we do make use of the cheap mikes , {vocalsound} uh we want to be sure to do that {disfmarker} that filtering before we {vocalsound} process it . And then again if it 's uh depending on the option that the {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} our software is being run with , it 's {disfmarker} it 's quite possible that 's already being taken care of . uh But I also have to pick a different picture to show the effects of reverberation . uh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Did somebody notice it during your talk ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh No .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . uh Well . If they made output they were {disfmarker} they were , you know {disfmarker} they were nice .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Didn't say anything ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But . {vocalsound} I mean the thing is it was since I was talking about reverberation and showing this thing that was noise , it wasn't a good match , but it certainly was still uh an indication of the fact that you get noise with distant mikes . uh It 's just not a great example because not only isn't it reverberation but it 's a noise that we definitely know what to do .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , it doesn't take deep {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a new {disfmarker} bold new methods to get rid of uh five hertz noise , so .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um {vocalsound} uh But . So it was {disfmarker} it was a bad example in that way , but it 's {disfmarker} it still is {disfmarker} it 's the real thing that we did get out of the microphone at distance , so it wasn't {vocalsound} it w it w wasn't wrong it was inappropriate . So . {vocalsound} So uh , but uh , Yeah , someone noticed it later pointed it out to me , and I went \" oh , man . Why didn't I notice that ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um . So . {vocalsound} um So I think we 'll change our {disfmarker} our picture on the web , when we 're @ @ . One of the things I was {disfmarker} I mean , I was trying to think about what {disfmarker} what 's the best {vocalsound} way to show the difference an and I had a couple of thoughts one was , {vocalsound} that spectrogram that we show {vocalsound} is O K , but the thing is {vocalsound} the eyes uh and the {vocalsound} the brain behind them are so good at picking out patterns {vocalsound} from {disfmarker} from noise {vocalsound} that in first glance you look at them it doesn't seem like it 's that bad uh because there 's many features that are still preserved . So one thing to do might be to just take a piece of the spec uh of the spectrogram where you can see {vocalsound} that something looks different , an and blow it up , and have that be the part that 's {disfmarker} just to show as well . You know .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "i i Some things are going to be hurt . um {vocalsound} Another , I was thinking of was um {vocalsound} taking some spectral slices , like uh {disfmarker} like we look at with the recognizer , and look at the spectrum or cepstrum that you get out of there , and the {disfmarker} the uh , um , {vocalsound} the reverberation uh does make it {disfmarker} does change that . And so maybe {disfmarker} maybe that would be more obvious .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Spectral slices ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "W w what d what do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean um all the recognizers look at frames . So they {disfmarker} they look at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So like one instant in time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , look at a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's , yeah , at one point in time or uh twenty {disfmarker} over twenty milliseconds or something , {vocalsound} you have a spectrum or a cepstrum .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I meant by a slice .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And {vocalsound} if you look at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "You could just {disfmarker} you could just throw up , you know , uh {vocalsound} the uh {disfmarker} some MFCC feature vectors . You know , one from one , one from the other , and then , you know , you can look and see how different the numbers are .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , that 's why I saying either {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Well , either spectrum or cepstrum",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just kidding .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but I think the thing is you wanna {disfmarker} ",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't mean a graph . I mean the actual numbers .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I see . Oh . That would be lovely , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . \" See how different these {vocalsound} sequences of numbers are ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or I could just add them up and get a different total .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's not the square .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh . What else {disfmarker} wh what 's {disfmarker} what else is going on ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . Yeah , at first I had a remark why {disfmarker} I am wondering why the PDA is always so far . I mean we are always meeting at the {vocalsound} beginning of the table and {vocalsound} the PDA 's there .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I guess cuz we haven't wanted to move it . We {disfmarker} we could {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we could move us ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , anyway . Um . Yeah , so . Uh . Since the last meeting we 've {disfmarker} we 've tried to put together um {vocalsound} the clean low - pass um downsampling , upsampling , I mean , Uh the new filter that 's replacing the LDA filters , and also {vocalsound} the um delay issue so that {disfmarker} We considered th the {disfmarker} the delay issue on the {disfmarker} for the on - line normalization . Mmm . So we 've put together all this and then we have results that are not um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} very impressive . Well , there is no {vocalsound} real improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it 's not wer worse and it 's better {disfmarker} better latency ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Well . Actually it 's better . It seems better when we look at the mismatched case but {vocalsound} I think we are like {disfmarker} like cheated here by the {disfmarker} th this problem that {vocalsound} uh in some cases when you modify slight {disfmarker} slightly modify the initial condition you end up {vocalsound} completely somewhere air somewhere else in the {disfmarker} in the space , {vocalsound} the parameters .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . Well . The other system are for instance . For Italian is at seventy - eight {vocalsound} percent recognition rate on the mismatch , and this new system has eighty - nine . But I don't think it indicates something , really . I don't {disfmarker} I don't think it means that the new system is more robust",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} It 's simply the fact that {disfmarker} Well .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the test would be if you then tried it on one of the other test sets , if {disfmarker} if it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Y",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So this was Italian , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So then if you take your changes",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's similar for other test sets",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but I mean {vocalsound} from this se seventy - eight um percent recognition rate system , {vocalsound} I could change the transition probabilities for the {disfmarker} the first HMM and {pause} it will end up to eighty - nine also .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "By using point five instead of point six , point four {vocalsound} as in the {disfmarker} the HTK script .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . Well . That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah I looked at um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} looked at the results when Stephane did that",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . Eh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and it 's {disfmarker} it 's really wo really happens .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "This really happens .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean th the only difference is you change the self - loop transition probability by a tenth of a percent",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and it causes ten percent difference in the word error rate .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "A tenth of a per cent .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . From point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Even tenth of a percent ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we tried {disfmarker} we tried point one ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "f for point {disfmarker} from {disfmarker} You change at point one",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and n not tenth of a percent , one tenth ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "alright ? Um so from point five {disfmarker} so from point six to point five and you get ten percent better .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it 's what you basically hypothesized in the last meeting {vocalsound} about uh it just being very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and I think you mentioned this in your email too {disfmarker} it 's just very um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "you know get stuck in some local minimum and this thing throws you out of it I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , what 's {disfmarker} what are {disfmarker} according to the rules what {disfmarker} what are we supposed to do about the transition probabilities ? Are they supposed to be point five or point six ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I think you 're not allowed to {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's supposed to be point six , for the self - loop .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Point {disfmarker} It 's supposed to be point six .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But changing it to point five I think is {disfmarker} which gives you much better results , but that 's {vocalsound} not allowed .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But not allowed ? Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but even if you use point five , I 'm not sure it will always give you the better results",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "on other test set or it",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . We only tested it on the {disfmarker} the medium mismatch ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "on the other training set , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ? You said on the other cases you didn't notice {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But . I think , yeah . I think the reason is , yeah , I not I {disfmarker} it was in my mail I think also , {vocalsound} is the fact that the mismatch is trained only on the far microphone . Well , in {disfmarker} for the mismatched case everything is um using the far microphone training and testing , whereas for the highly mismatched , training is done on the close microphone so {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's clean speech basically so you don't have this problem of local minima probably and for the well - match , it 's a mix of close microphone and distant microphone and {disfmarker} Well .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I did notice uh something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So th I think the mismatch is the more difficult for the training part .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Somebody , I think it was Morgan , suggested at the last meeting that I actually count to see {vocalsound} how many parameters and how many frames .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And there are uh almost one point eight million frames of training data and less than forty thousand parameters in the baseline system .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's very , very few parameters compared to how much training data .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So . And that {disfmarker} that says that we could have lots more parameters actually .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I did one quick experiment just to make sure I had everything worked out and I just {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh f for most of the um {disfmarker} For {disfmarker} for all of the digit models , they end up at three mixtures per state . And so I just did a quick experiment , where I changed it so it went to four and um {vocalsound} it it {disfmarker} it didn't have a r any significant effect at the uh medium mismatch and high mismatch cases and it had {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was just barely significant for the well - matched better . Uh so I 'm r gonna run that again but {vocalsound} um with many more uh mixtures per state .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz at forty thou I mean you could you could have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , easily four times as many {vocalsound} parameters .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And I think also {vocalsound} just seeing what we saw {vocalsound} uh in terms of the expected duration of the silence model ? when we did this tweaking of the self - loop ? The silence model expected duration was really different .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so in the case where {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} it had a better score , the silence model expected duration was much longer .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it was like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was a better match . I think {vocalsound} you know if we make a better silence model I think that will help a lot too um for a lot of these cases so but one one thing I {disfmarker} I wanted to check out before I increased the um {vocalsound} number of mixtures per state was {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} in their {vocalsound} default training script they do an initial set of three re - estimations and then they built the silence model and then they do seven iterations then the add mixtures and they do another seven then they add mixtures then they do a final set of seven and they quit . Seven seems like a lot to me and it also makes the experiments go take a really long time I mean to do one turn - around of the well matched case takes like a day .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so {vocalsound} you know in trying to run these experiments I notice , you know , it 's difficult to find machines , you know , compute the run on . And so one of the things I did was I compiled HTK for the Linux {vocalsound} machines",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "cuz we have this one from IBM that 's got like five processors in it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and so now I 'm {disfmarker} you can run stuff on that and that really helps a lot because now we 've got {vocalsound} you know , extra machines that we can use for compute . And if {disfmarker} I 'm do running an experiment right now where I 'm changing the number of iterations ? {vocalsound} from seven to three ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "just to see how it affects the baseline system . And so if we can get away with just doing three , we can do {vocalsound} many more experiments more quickly . And if it 's not a {disfmarker} a huge difference from running with seven iterations , {vocalsound} um , you know , we should be able to get a lot more experiments done .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so . I 'll let you know what {disfmarker} what happens with that . But if we can {vocalsound} you know , run all of these back - ends f with many fewer iterations and {vocalsound} on Linux boxes we should be able to get a lot more experimenting done .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . So I wanted to experiment with cutting down the number of iterations before I {vocalsound} increased the number of Gaussians .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Sorry . So um , how 's it going on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . You {disfmarker} you did some things . They didn't improve things in a way that convinced you you 'd substantially improved anything .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But they 're not making things worse and we have reduced latency , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But actually {disfmarker} um actually it seems to do a little bit worse for the well - matched case and we just noticed that {disfmarker} Yeah , actually the way the final score is computed is quite funny . It 's not a mean of word error rate . It 's not a weighted mean of word error rate , it 's a weighted mean of improvements .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . Which means that {vocalsound} actually the weight on the well - matched is {disfmarker} Well I well what what {disfmarker} What happened is that if you have a small improvement or a small if on the well - matched case {vocalsound} it will have uh huge influence on the improvement compared to the reference because the reference system is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is quite good for {disfmarker} for the well - ma well - matched case also .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} it weights the improvement on the well - matched case really heavily compared to the improvement on the other cases ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , but it 's the weighting of the {disfmarker} of the improvement not of the error rate .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , and it 's hard to improve on the {disfmarker} on the best case , cuz it 's already so good , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {pause} what I mean is that you can have a huge improvement on the H {disfmarker} HMK 's , uh like five percent uh absolute , and this will not affect the final score almost {disfmarker} Uh this will almost not affect the final score because {vocalsound} this improvement {disfmarker} because the improvement {vocalsound} uh relative to the {disfmarker} the baseline is small {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So they do improvement in terms of uh accuracy ? rather than word error rate ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Uh improvement ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's compared to the word er it 's improvement on the word error rate ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So if you have uh ten percent error and you get five percent absolute uh {vocalsound} improvement then that 's fifty percent .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So what you 're saying then is that if it 's something that has a small word error rate , {vocalsound} then uh a {disfmarker} even a relatively small improvement on it , in absolute terms , {vocalsound} will show up as quite {disfmarker} quite large in this .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you 're saying ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . But yeah that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} it 's the notion of relative improvement . Word error rate .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure , but when we think about the weighting , which is point five , point three , point two , {vocalsound} it 's on absolute on {disfmarker} on relative figures ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So when we look at this error rate",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . That 's why I 've been saying we should be looking at word error rate uh and {disfmarker} and not {disfmarker} not at {vocalsound} at accuracies .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} Mmm , yeah . Mmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean uh we probably should have standardized on that all the way through . It 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that different , right ? I mean , just subtract the accuracy .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you 're {disfmarker} but when you look at the numbers , your sense of the relative size of things is quite different .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Oh . Oh , I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If you had ninety percent uh correct {vocalsound} and five percent , five over ninety doesn't look like it 's a big difference , but {vocalsound} five over ten is {disfmarker} is big .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So just when we were looking at a lot of numbers and {vocalsound} getting sense of what was important .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I see . I see . Yeah . That makes sense .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well anyway uh . So . Yeah . So it hurts a little bit on the well - match and yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What 's a little bit ? Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Like , it 's difficult to say because again um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I 'm not sure I have the um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hey Morgan ? Do you remember that Signif program that we used to use for testing signi ? Is that still valid ? I {disfmarker} I 've been using that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , it was actually updated .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} Jeff updated it some years ago",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it was . Oh , I shoul",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and uh cleaned it up made some things better in it . So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . I should find that new one . I just use my old one from {vocalsound} ninety - two or whatever",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm sure it 's not that different but {disfmarker} but he {disfmarker} {vocalsound} he uh {disfmarker} he was a little more rigorous , as I recall .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So it 's around , like , point five . No , point six {comment} uh percent absolute on Italian {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Worse .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Worse , yep .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Out of what ? I mean . s",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh well we start from ninety - four point sixty - four , and we go to ninety - four point O four .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . So that 's six {disfmarker} six point th",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ninety - three point six four , right ? is the baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no , I 've ninety - four . Oh , the baseline , you mean .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't {disfmarker} I 'm not talking about the baseline here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh . I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I uh {disfmarker} My baseline is the submitted system .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! OK . Ah , ah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": " Oh yeah . For Finnish , we start to ninety - three point eight - four and we go to ninety - three point seventy - four . And for Spanish we are {disfmarker} we were at ninety - five point O five and we go to ninety - three - s point sixty one .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK , so we are getting hurt somewhat .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And is that wh what {disfmarker} do you know what piece {disfmarker} you 've done several changes here . Uh , do you know what pie",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's the filter . Because nnn , well uh we don't have complete result , but the filter {disfmarker} So the filter with the shorter delay hurts on Italian well - matched , which {disfmarker} And , yeah . And the other things , like um {vocalsound} downsampling , upsampling , don't seem to hurt and {vocalsound} the new on - line normalization , neither .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm really confused about something . If we saw that making a small change like , you know , a tenth , to the self - loop had a huge effect , {vocalsound} can we really make any conclusions about differences in this stuff ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah that 's th Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , especially when they 're this small . I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think we can be completely fooled by this thing , but {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . There is first this thing , and then the {disfmarker} yeah , I computed the um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like , the confidence level on the different test sets . And for the well - matched they are around um {vocalsound} point six uh percent . For the mismatched they are around like let 's say one point five percent . And for the well - m uh HM they are also around one point five .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} OK , so you {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these degradations you were talking about were on the well - matched case",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Do the {disfmarker} does the new filter make things uh better or worse for the other cases ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But . Uh . About the same . It doesn't hurt . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't hurt , but doesn't get a little better , or something .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . OK , so {vocalsound} um I guess the argument one might make is that , \" Yeah , if you looked at one of these cases {vocalsound} and you jiggle something and it changes {vocalsound} then uh you 're not quite sure what to make of it . But when you look across a bunch of these and there 's some {disfmarker} some pattern , um {disfmarker} I mean , so eh h here 's all the {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if in all these different cases {vocalsound} it never gets better , and there 's significant number of cases where it gets worse , {vocalsound} then you 're probably {pause} hurting things , {vocalsound} I would say . So um {vocalsound} I mean at the very least that would be a reasonably prediction of what would happen with {disfmarker} with a different test set , that you 're not jiggling things with . So I guess the question is if you can do better than this . If you can {disfmarker} if we can approximate {vocalsound} the old numbers while still keeping the latency down .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so . Um . What I was asking , though , is uh {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what 's the level of communication with uh {vocalsound} the O G I gang now , about this and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we are exchanging mail as soon as we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we have significant results .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . For the moment , they are working on integrating {vocalsound} the um {vocalsound} spectral subtraction apparently from Ericsson .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . And so . Yeah . We are working on our side on other things like {vocalsound} uh also trying a sup spectral subtraction but of {disfmarker} of our own , I mean , another {vocalsound} spectral substraction .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . So I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's OK . It 's going {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Is there any further discussion about this {disfmarker} this idea of {disfmarker} of having some sort of source code control ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well . For the moment they 're {disfmarker} uh everybody 's quite um {disfmarker} There is this Eurospeech deadline , so .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . And . Yeah . But yeah . As soon as we have something that 's significant and that 's better than {disfmarker} than what was submitted , we will fix {disfmarker} fix the system and {disfmarker} But we 've not discussed it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} this yet , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sounds like a great idea but {disfmarker} but I think that {disfmarker} that um {vocalsound} he 's saying people are sort of scrambling for a Eurospeech deadline .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But that 'll be uh , uh done in a week . So , maybe after {vocalsound} this next one .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Wow ! Already a week ! Man !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "You 're right . That 's amazing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Anybo - anybody in the {disfmarker} in this group do doing anything for Eurospeech ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Or , is that what {disfmarker} is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we are {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We are trying to {disfmarker} to do something with the Meeting Recorder digits ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} But yeah . Yeah . And the good thing is that {pause} there is this first deadline ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and , well , some people from OGI are working on a paper for this , but there is also the um {vocalsound} special session about th Aurora which is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh which has an extended deadline . So . The deadline is in May .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "For uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Oh , for Eurospeech ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "For th Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So f only for the experiments on Aurora . So it {disfmarker} it 's good ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , a special dispensation .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Where is Eurospeech this year ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's in Denmark .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Aalborg {disfmarker} Aalborg uh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So the deadline {disfmarker} When 's the deadline ? When 's the deadline ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? I think it 's the thirteenth of May .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great ! It 's great . So we should definitely get something in for that .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But on meeting digits , maybe there 's {disfmarker} Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So it would be for the first deadline .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I mean , I {disfmarker} I think that you could certainly start looking at {disfmarker} at the issue uh but {disfmarker} but uh {vocalsound} I think it 's probably , on s from what Stephane is saying , it 's {disfmarker} it 's unlikely to get sort of active participation from the two sides until after they 've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well I could at least {disfmarker} Well , I 'm going to be out next week but I could {pause} try to look into like this uh CVS over the web . That seems to be a very popular {vocalsound} way of {pause} people distributing changes and {disfmarker} over , you know , multiple sites and things",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "so maybe {vocalsound} if I can figure out how do that easily and then pass the information on to everybody so that it 's {vocalsound} you know , as easy to do as possible and {disfmarker} and people don't {disfmarker} it won't interfere with {comment} their regular work , then maybe that would be good . And I think we could use it for other things around here too . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "That 's cool . And if you 're interested in using CVS , I 've set it up here ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Oh great .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um j",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I used it a long time ago but it 's been a while so maybe I can ask you some questions .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So . I 'll be away tomorrow and Monday but I 'll be back on Tuesday or Wednesday .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Dave , the other thing , actually , is {disfmarker} is this business about this wave form . Maybe you and I can talk a little bit at some point about {vocalsound} coming up with a better {vocalsound} uh demonstration of the effects of reverberation for our web page , cuz uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} the uh {vocalsound} um I mean , actually the {disfmarker} the uh It made a good {disfmarker} good audio demonstration because when we could play that clip the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the really {vocalsound} obvious difference is that you can hear two voices and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} in the second one and only hear {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could just {pause} like , talk into a cup .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Some good reverb .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean , it sound {disfmarker} it sounds pretty reverberant , but I mean you can't {disfmarker} when you play it back in a room with a {disfmarker} you know a big room , {vocalsound} nobody can hear that difference really .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "They hear that it 's lower amplitude and they hear there 's a second voice ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "um {vocalsound} but uh that {disfmarker} actually that makes for a perfectly good demo because that 's a real obvious thing , that you hear two voices .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But not of reverberation .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "A boom .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's OK . But for the {disfmarker} the visual , just , you know , I 'd like to have uh {vocalsound} uh , you know , the spectrogram again ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "because you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're visual {vocalsound} uh abilities as a human being are so good {vocalsound} you can pick out {disfmarker} you know , you {disfmarker} you look at the good one , you look at the cru the screwed up one , and {disfmarker} and you can see the features in it without trying to @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I noticed that in the pictures .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I thought \" hey , you know th \" I {disfmarker} My initial thought was \" this is not too bad ! \"",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . But you have to {disfmarker} you know , if you look at it closely , you see \" well , here 's a place where this one has a big formant {disfmarker} uh uh formant {disfmarker} maj major formants here are {disfmarker} {vocalsound} are moving quite a bit . \" And then you look in the other one and they look practically flat .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I mean you could {disfmarker} that 's why I was thinking , in a section like that , you could take a look {disfmarker} look at just that part of the spectrogram and you could say \" Oh yeah . This {disfmarker} this really distorted it quite a bit . \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The main thing that struck me in looking at those two spectrograms was the difference in the high frequencies . It looked like {vocalsound} for the one that was farther away , you know , it really {disfmarker} everything was attenuated",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} I mean that was the main visual thing that I noticed .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} So . Yeah . So there are {disfmarker} clearly are spectral effects . Since you 're getting all this indirect energy , then a lot of it does have {disfmarker} have uh {vocalsound} reduced high frequencies . But um the other thing is the temporal courses of things really are changed , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and uh we want to show that , in some obvious way . The reason I put the wave forms in there was because {vocalsound} uh they {disfmarker} they do look quite different . Uh . And so I thought \" Oh , this is good . \" but I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I just uh {disfmarker} After {disfmarker} after uh they were put in there I didn't really look at them anymore , cuz I just {disfmarker} they were different . So {vocalsound} I want something that has a {disfmarker} is a more interesting explanation for why they 're different . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So maybe we can just substitute one of these wave forms and um {vocalsound} then do some kind of zoom in on the spectrogram on an interesting area .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Something like that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "The other thing that we had in there that I didn't like was that um {vocalsound} the most obvious characteristic of the difference uh when you listen to it is that there 's a second voice , and the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the uh {vocalsound} cuts that we have there actually don't correspond to the full wave form . It 's just the first {disfmarker} I think there was something where he was having some trouble getting so much in , or . I {disfmarker} I forget the reason behind it . But {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} it 's um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's the first six seconds or something {vocalsound} of it and it 's in {vocalsound} the seventh or eighth second or something where @ @ the second voice comes in . So we {disfmarker} we would like to actually see {vocalsound} the voice coming in , too , I think , since that 's the most obvious thing {pause} when you listen to it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . Yeah . I brought some {disfmarker} I don't know if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} some {vocalsound} figures here . Well . I start {disfmarker} we started to work on spectral subtraction . And {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} the preliminary results were very bad .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So the thing that we did is just to add spectral subtraction before this , the Wall uh process , which contains LDA on - line normalization . And it hurts uh a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so we started to look at {disfmarker} at um things like this , which is , well , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . So you have the C - zero parameters for one uh Italian utterance .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You can @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And I plotted this for two channels . Channel zero is the close mic microphone , and channel one is the distant microphone . And it 's perfectly synchronized , so . And the sentence contain only one word , which is \" Due \" And it can't clearly be seen . Where {disfmarker} where is it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Where is the word ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this is ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "oh , a plot of C - zero ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "the energy .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "This is a plot of C - zero , uh when we don't use spectral substraction , and when there is no on - line normalization .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . There is just some filtering with the LDA and {vocalsound} and some downsampling , upsampling .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "C - zero is the close talking ? {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh the close channel ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and s channel one is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So C - zero is very clean , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh then when we apply mean normalization it looks like the second figure , though it is not . Which is good . Well , the noise part is around zero",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And then the third figure is what happens when we apply mean normalization and variance normalization . So . What we can clearly see is that on the speech portion {vocalsound} the two channel come {disfmarker} becomes very close , but also what happens on the noisy portion is that the variance of the noise is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "This is still being a plot of C - zero ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is still C - zero .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask um what does variance normalization do ? w What is the effect of that ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Normalizes the variance .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It normalized th the standard deviation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "y Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , I understand that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you get an estimate of the standard deviation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , I understand what it is , but I mean , what does it {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what is",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What 's the rationale ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We Yeah . Yeah . Why {disfmarker} why do it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , because {vocalsound} everything uh {disfmarker} If you have a system based on Gaussians , everything is based on means and variances .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So if there 's an overall {vocalsound} reason {disfmarker} You know , it 's like uh if you were doing uh image processing and in some of the pictures you were looking at , uh there was a lot of light uh and {disfmarker} and in some , there was low light ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know , you would want to adjust for that in order to compare things .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And the variance is just sort of like the next moment , you know ? So uh {vocalsound} what if um one set of pictures was taken uh so that throughout the course it was {disfmarker} went through daylight and night uh {vocalsound} um um ten times , another time it went thr I mean i is , you know , how {disfmarker} how much {disfmarker} {vocalsound} how much vari",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or no . I guess a better example would be {vocalsound} how much of the light was coming in from outside rather than artificial light . So if it was a lot {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if more was coming from outside , then there 'd be the bigger effect of the {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} of the change in the {disfmarker} So every mean {disfmarker} every {disfmarker} all {disfmarker} all of the {disfmarker} the parameters that you have , especially the variances , are going to be affected by the overall variance .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so , in principle , you {disfmarker} if you remove that source , then , you know , you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK . So would {disfmarker} the major effect is {disfmarker} that you 're gonna get is by normalizing the means ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's the first order but {disfmarker} thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but it may help {disfmarker} First - order effects .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but then the second order is {disfmarker} is the variances",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And it may help to do the variance . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because , again , if you {disfmarker} if you 're trying to distinguish between E and B",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "if it just so happens that the E 's {vocalsound} were a more {disfmarker} you know , were recorded when {disfmarker} when the energy was {disfmarker} was {disfmarker} was larger or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or the variation in it was larger , {vocalsound} uh than with the B 's , then this will be {disfmarker} give you some {disfmarker} some bias .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's removing these sources of variability in the data {vocalsound} that have nothing to do with the linguistic component .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Gotcha . OK . Sorry to interrupt .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker} but let me as ask {disfmarker} ask you something .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And it {disfmarker} and this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "i is {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} If you have a good voice activity detector , isn't {disfmarker} isn't it gonna pull that out ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure . If they are good . Yeah . Well what it {disfmarker} it shows is that , yeah , perhaps a good voice activity detector is {disfmarker} is good before on - line normalization and that 's what uh {vocalsound} we 've already observed . But uh , yeah , voice activity detection is not {vocalsound} {vocalsound} an easy thing neither .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But after you do this , after you do the variance normalization {disfmarker} I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , it seems like this would be a lot easier than this signal to work with .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . What I notice is that , while I prefer to look at the second figure than at the third one , well , because you clearly see where speech is .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the problem is that on the speech portion , channel zero and channel one are more different than when you use variance normalization where channel zero and channel one become closer .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But for the purposes of finding the speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Yeah , but here {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You 're more interested in the difference between the speech and the nonspeech ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think , yeah . For I th I think that it {disfmarker} perhaps it shows that {vocalsound} uh the parameters that the voice activity detector should use {disfmarker} uh have to use should be different than the parameter that have to be used for speech recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So basically you want to reduce this effect .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , y",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So you can do that by doing the voi voice activity detection . You also could do it by spect uh spectral subtraction before the {vocalsound} variance normalization , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it 's not clear , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We So . Well . It 's just to",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the number that at that are here are recognition experiments on Italian HM and MM {vocalsound} with these two kinds of parameters . And , {pause} well , it 's better with variance normalization .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So it does get better even though it looks ugly .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . but does this have the voice activity detection in it ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Where 's th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the fact is that the voice activity detector doesn't work on channel one . So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} at what stage is the voice activity detector applied ? Is it applied here or a after the variance normalization ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Spectral subtraction , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's applied before variance normalization . So it 's a good thing ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because I guess voice activity detection on this should {disfmarker} could be worse .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Is it applied all the way back here ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's applied the um on , yeah , something like this ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe that 's why it doesn't work for channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Perhaps , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Can I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So we could perhaps do just mean normalization before VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Can I ask a , I mean {disfmarker} a sort of top - level question , which is {vocalsound} um \" if {disfmarker} if most of what the OGI folk are working with is trying to {vocalsound} integrate this other {disfmarker} other uh spectral subtraction , {vocalsound} why are we worrying about it ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . About ? Spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just uh {disfmarker} Well it 's another {disfmarker} They are trying to u to use the um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the Ericsson and we 're trying to use something {disfmarker} something else . And . Yeah , and also to understand what happens because",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "uh fff Well . When we do spectral subtraction , actually , I think {vocalsound} that this is the {disfmarker} the two last figures .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . It seems that after spectral subtraction , speech is more emerging now uh {vocalsound} than {disfmarker} than before .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Speech is more what ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the difference between the energy of the speech and the energy of the n spectral subtrac subtracted noise portion is {disfmarker} is larger .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you compare the first figure to this one {disfmarker} Actually the scale is not the same , but if you look at the {disfmarker} the numbers um {vocalsound} you clearly see that the difference between the C - zero of the speech and C - zero of the noise portion is larger . Uh but what happens is that after spectral subtraction , {vocalsound} you also increase the variance of this {disfmarker} of C - zero .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so if you apply variance normalization on this , it completely sc screw everything . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . Uh . Yeah . So yeah . And what they did at OGI is just {vocalsound} uh they don't use on - line normalization , for the moment , on spectral subtraction and I think {disfmarker} Yeah . I think as soon as they will try on - line normalization {vocalsound} there will be a problem . So yeah , we 're working on the same thing but {vocalsound} I think uh with different {disfmarker} different system and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , i the Intellectually it 's interesting to work on things th uh one way or the other",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just wondering if um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the list of things that there are to do , if there are things that we won't do because {vocalsound} we 've got two groups doing the same thing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . Just {disfmarker} just asking . Uh . I mean , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There also could be {disfmarker} I mean . I can maybe see a reason f for both working on it too",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "if {vocalsound} um you know , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you work on something else and {disfmarker} and you 're waiting for them to give you {vocalsound} spectral subtraction {disfmarker} I mean it 's hard to know whether {vocalsound} the effects that you get from the other experiments you do will {vocalsound} carry over once you then bring in their spectral subtraction module . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's almost like everything 's held up waiting for this {vocalsound} one thing . I don't know if that 's true or not , but I could see how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe that 's what you were thinking .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . {vocalsound} I mean , we still evidently have a latency reduction plan which {disfmarker} which isn't quite what you 'd like it to be . That {disfmarker} that seems like one prominent thing . And then uh weren't issues of {disfmarker} of having a {disfmarker} a second stream or something ? That was {disfmarker} Was it {disfmarker} There was this business that , you know , we {disfmarker} we could use up the full forty - eight hundred bits , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But I think they ' I think we want to work on this . They also want to work on this , so . Uh . {vocalsound} yeah . We {disfmarker} we will try MSG , but um , yeah . And they are t I think they want to work on the second stream also , but more with {vocalsound} some kind of multi - band or , well , what they call TRAP or generalized TRAP .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Do you remember when the next meeting is supposed to be ? the next uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's uh in June .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "In June . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . Yeah , the other thing is that you saw that {disfmarker} that mail about uh the VAD {disfmarker} V A Ds performing quite differently ? That that uh So um . This {disfmarker} there was this experiment of uh \" what if we just take the baseline ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "set uh of features , just mel cepstra , and you inc incorporate the different V A And it looks like the {disfmarker} the French VAD is actually uh better {disfmarker} significantly better .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Improves the baseline ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I don't know which VAD they use . Uh . If the use the small VAD I th I think it 's on {disfmarker} I think it 's easy to do better because it doesn't work at all . So . I {disfmarker} I don't know which {disfmarker} which one . It 's Pratibha that {disfmarker} that did this experiment .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um . We should ask which VAD she used .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't @ @ . He {disfmarker} Actually , I think that he say with the good VAD of {disfmarker} from OGI and with the Alcatel VAD . And the experiment was sometime better , sometime worse .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} I think you were talking about the other mail that used VAD on the reference features .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And on that one , uh the French one is {disfmarker} was better .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It was just better .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean it was enough better that {disfmarker} that it would {vocalsound} uh account for a fair amount of the difference between our performance , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} Uh . So if they have a better one , we should use it . I mean . You know ? it 's {disfmarker} you can't work on everything .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so we should find out if it 's really better . I mean if it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} compared to the small or the big network .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And perhaps we can easily improve if {disfmarker} if we put like mean normalization before the {disfmarker} before the VAD . Because {disfmarker} {vocalsound} as {disfmarker} as you 've {pause} mentioned .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "H Hynek will be back in town uh the week after next , back {disfmarker} back in the country . So . And start {disfmarker} start organizing uh {vocalsound} more visits and connections and so forth ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} uh working towards June .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Also is Stephane was thinking that {vocalsound} maybe it was useful to f to think about uh {vocalsound} voiced - unvoiced {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "to work uh here in voiced - unvoiced detection .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And we are looking {vocalsound} {vocalsound} in the uh signal .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , my feeling is that um actually {vocalsound} when we look at all the proposals , ev everybody is still using some kind of spectral envelope",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and um it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No use of pitch uh basically . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , not pitch , but to look at the um fine {disfmarker} at the {disfmarker} at the high re high resolution spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . We don't necessarily want to find the {disfmarker} the pitch of the {disfmarker} of the sound but uh {disfmarker} Cuz I have a feeling that {vocalsound} when we look {disfmarker} when we look at the {disfmarker} just at the envelope there is no way you can tell if it 's voiced and unvoiced , if there is some {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's easy in clean speech because voiced sound are more low frequency and . So there would be more ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} there is the first formant , which is the larger and then voiced sound are more high frequencies cuz it 's frication and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But , yeah . When you have noise there is no um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if {disfmarker} if you have a low frequency noise it could be taken for {disfmarker} for voiced speech and .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you can make these mistakes ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Isn't there some other",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh d",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I think that it {disfmarker} it would be good {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah , well , go {disfmarker} go on .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I was just gonna say isn't there {disfmarker} {vocalsound} aren't {disfmarker} aren't there lots of ideas for doing voice activity , or speech - nonspeech rather , {comment} um by looking at {vocalsound} um , you know , uh {vocalsound} I guess harmonics or looking across time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think he was talking about the voiced - unvoiced , though ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "right ? So , not the speech - nonspeech .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well even with e",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "uh w ah you know , uh even with the voiced - non {pause} voiced - unvoiced",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} I thought that you or {pause} somebody was talking about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . Uh yeah . B We should let him finish what he w he was gonna say ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So go ahead .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , so yeah , I think if we try to develop a second stream well , there would be one stream that is the envelope and the second , it could be interesting to have that 's {disfmarker} something that 's more related to the fine structure of the spectrum . And . Yeah , so I don't know . We were thinking about like using ideas from {disfmarker} from Larry Saul , have a good voice detector , have a good , well , voiced - speech detector , that 's working on {disfmarker} on the FFT and {vocalsound} uh",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "U",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Larry Saul could be an idea . We were are thinking about just {vocalsound} kind of uh taking the spectrum and computing the variance of {disfmarker} of the high resolution spectrum {vocalsound} and things like this .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So u s u OK . So {disfmarker} So many {vocalsound} tell you something about that . Uh we had a guy here some years ago who did some work on {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} making use of voicing information uh to {vocalsound} help in reducing the noise .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So what he was doing is basically y you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you do estimate the pitch .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And um you {disfmarker} from that you {disfmarker} you estimate {disfmarker} or you estimate fine harmonic structure , whichev ei either way , it 's more or less the same . But {vocalsound} uh the thing is that um you then {vocalsound} can get rid of things that are not {disfmarker} i if there is strong harmonic structure , {vocalsound} you can throw away stuff that 's {disfmarker} that 's non - harmonic .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} that is another way of getting rid of part of the noise",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So um that 's something {vocalsound} that is sort of finer ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "brings in a little more information than just spectral subtraction . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And he had some {disfmarker} I mean , he did that sort of in combination with RASTA . It was kind of like RASTA was taking care of convolutional stuff",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and he was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and got some {disfmarker} some decent results doing that . So that {disfmarker} that 's another {disfmarker} another way . But yeah , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . There 's all these cues . We 've actually back when Chuck was here we did some voiced - unvoiced uh {vocalsound} classification using a bunch of these ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and uh works OK . Obviously it 's not perfect but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But the thing is that you can't {disfmarker} given the constraints of this task , we can't , {vocalsound} in a very nice way , feed {pause} forward to the recognizer the information {disfmarker} the probabilistic information that you might get about whether it 's voiced or unvoiced , where w we can't you know affect the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the uh distributions or anything .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But we {disfmarker} what we uh {disfmarker} I guess we could Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Didn't the head dude send around that message ? Yeah , I think you sent us all a copy of the message , where he was saying that {disfmarker} I I 'm not sure , exactly , what the gist of what he was saying , but something having to do with the voice {vocalsound} activity detector and that it will {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that people shouldn't put their own in or something . It was gonna be a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} OK . So that 's voice activity detector as opposed to voicing detector .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "They didn't .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So we 're talking about something a little different .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I missed that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I guess what you could do , maybe this would be w useful , if {disfmarker} if you have {disfmarker} if you view the second stream , yeah , before you {disfmarker} before you do KLT 's and so forth , if you do view it as probabilities , and if it 's an independent {disfmarker} So , if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's uh not so much {vocalsound} envelope - based by fine - structure - based , uh looking at harmonicity or something like that , um if you get a probability from that information and then multiply it by {disfmarker} you know , multiply by all the voiced {vocalsound} outputs and all the unvoiced outputs , you know , then {vocalsound} use that as the",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} take the log of that or {vocalsound} uh pre pre uh {disfmarker} pre - nonlinearity ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . i if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh and do the KLT on the {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on that ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "then that would {disfmarker} that would I guess be uh a reasonable use of independent information . So maybe that 's what you meant . And then that would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , I was not thinking this {disfmarker} yeah , this could be an yeah So you mean have some kind of probability for the v the voicing",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "R Right . So you have a second neural net .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and then use a tandem system",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It could be pretty small . Yeah . If you have a tandem system and then you have some kind of {disfmarker} it can be pretty small {disfmarker} net {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "we used {disfmarker} we d did some of this stuff . Uh I {disfmarker} I did , some years ago ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and the {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and you use {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the thing is to use information primarily that 's different as you say , it 's more fine - structure - based than {disfmarker} than envelope - based",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh so then it you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you can pretty much guarantee it 's stuff that you 're not looking at very well with the other one , and uh then you only use for this one distinction .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so now you 've got a probability of the cases , and you 've got uh the probability of the finer uh categories on the other side . You multiply them where appropriate and uh {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I see , yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "if they really are from independent {pause} information sources then {vocalsound} they should have different kinds of errors",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and roughly independent errors , and {vocalsound} it 's a good choice for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah , that 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because , yeah , well , spectral subtraction is good and we could u we could use the fine structure to {disfmarker} to have a better estimate of the noise but {vocalsound} still there is this issue with spectral subtraction that it seems to increase the variance of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "um Well it 's this musical noise which is annoying if you d you do some kind of on - line normalization after .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . Um . Yeah . Well . Spectral subtraction and on - line normalization don't seem to {disfmarker} to go together very well . I",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Or if you do a spectral subtraction {disfmarker} do some spectral subtraction first and then do some on - line normalization then do some more spectral subtraction {disfmarker} I mean , maybe {disfmarker} maybe you can do it layers or something so it doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't hurt too much or something .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Ah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} but uh , anyway I think I was sort of arguing against myself there by giving that example",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh I mean cuz I was already sort of {vocalsound} suggesting that we should be careful about not spending too much time on exactly what they 're doing In fact if you get {disfmarker} if you go into uh {disfmarker} a uh harmonics - related thing {vocalsound} it 's definitely going to be different than what they 're doing and uh uh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "should have some interesting properties in noise . Um . {vocalsound} I know that when have people have done {pause} um sort of the obvious thing of taking {vocalsound} uh your feature vector and adding {pause} in some variables which are {vocalsound} pitch related or uh that {disfmarker} it hasn't {disfmarker} my impression it hasn't particularly helped . Uh . Has not .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it i has not ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But I think uh {pause} that 's {disfmarker} that 's a question for this uh you know extending the feature vector versus having different streams .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Was it nois noisy condition ? the example that you {disfmarker} you just",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and it may not have been noisy conditions .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I don't remember the example but it was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was on some DARPA data and some years ago and so it probably wasn't , actually",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah . But we were thinking , we discussed with Barry about this , and {vocalsound} perhaps {vocalsound} thinking {disfmarker} we were thinking about some kind of sheet cheating experiment where we would use TIMIT",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and see if giving the d uh , this voicing bit would help in {disfmarker} in terms of uh frame classification .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Why don't you {disfmarker} why don't you just do it with Aurora ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Just any i in {disfmarker} in each {disfmarker} in each frame",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} B but we cannot do the cheating , this cheating thing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We need labels .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Why not ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well . Cuz we don't have {disfmarker} Well , for Italian perhaps we have , but we don't have this labeling for Aurora . We just have a labeling with word models",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but not for phonemes .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Not for foreigners .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "we don't have frame {disfmarker} frame level transcriptions .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But you could {disfmarker} I mean you can {disfmarker} you can align so that {disfmarker} It 's not perfect , but if you {disfmarker} if you know what was said and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But the problem is that their models are all word level models . So there 's no phone models {pause} that you get alignments for .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} So you could find out where the word boundaries are but that 's about it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "S But we could use uh the {disfmarker} the noisy version that TIMIT , which {vocalsound} you know , is similar to the {disfmarker} the noises found in the TI - digits {vocalsound} um portion of Aurora .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . noise , yeah . Yeah , that 's right , yep . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I guess {disfmarker} I guess we can {disfmarker} we can say that it will help , but I don't know . If this voicing bit doesn't help , uh , I think we don't have to {disfmarker} to work more about this because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . It 's just to know if it {disfmarker} how much i it will help",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and to have an idea of how much we can gain .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean in experiments that we did a long time ago",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and different ta it was probably Resource Management or something , um , I think you were getting {pause} something like still eight or nine percent error on the voicing , as I recall . And um , so um",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Another person 's voice .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "what that said is that , sort of , left to its own devices , like without the {disfmarker} a strong language model and so forth , that you would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you would make significant number of errors {vocalsound} just with your uh probabilistic machinery in deciding",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It also {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "one oh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} though I think uh there was one problem with that in that , you know , we used canonical mapping so {vocalsound} our truth may not have really been {pause} true to the acoustics .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well back twenty years ago when I did this voiced - unvoiced stuff , we were getting more like {vocalsound} ninety - seven or ninety - eight percent correct in voicing . But that was {vocalsound} speaker - dependent {vocalsound} actually . We were doing training {vocalsound} on a particular announcer",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and getting a {vocalsound} very good handle on the features .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And we did this complex feature selection thing where we looked at all the different possible features one could have for voicing and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and {disfmarker} and uh {disfmarker} and exhaustively searched {vocalsound} all size subsets and {disfmarker} and uh {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for that particular speaker and you 'd find you know the five or six features which really did well on them .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Wow !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then doing {disfmarker} doing all of that we could get down to two or three percent error . But that , again , was speaker - dependent with {vocalsound} lots of feature selection",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and a very complex sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So I would {disfmarker} I would believe {vocalsound} that uh it was quite likely that um looking at envelope only , that we 'd be {vocalsound} significantly worse than that .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} all the {disfmarker} the SpeechCorders ? what 's the idea behind ? Cuz they {disfmarker} they have to {disfmarker} Oh , they don't even have to detect voiced spe speech ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The modern ones don't do a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a simple switch .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "They just work on the code book",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They work on the code book excitation .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and find out the best excitation .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah they do {vocalsound} analysis - by - synthesis . They try {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they try every {disfmarker} every possible excitation they have in their code book and find the one that matches best .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mmm . Alright . Yeah . So it would not help .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . O K .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Can I just mention one other interesting thing ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . One of the ideas that we {pause} had come up with last week for things to try to {vocalsound} improve the system {disfmarker} Um . Actually I {disfmarker} I s we didn't {disfmarker} I guess I wrote this in after the meeting b but {vocalsound} the thought I had was um looking at the language model that 's used in the HTK recognizer , which is basically just a big {vocalsound} loop ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "right ? So you {disfmarker} it goes \" digit \"",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then that can be {disfmarker} either go to silence or go to another digit , which {disfmarker} That model would allow for the production of {vocalsound} infinitely long sequences of digits , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . I thought \" well I 'm gonna just look at the {disfmarker} what actual digit strings do occur in the training data . \"",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And the interesting thing was it turns out that there are no sequences of two - long or three - long digit strings {pause} in any of the Aurora training data . So it 's either one , four , five , six , uh up to eleven , and then it skips and then there 's some at sixteen .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But what about the testing data ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . I don't know . I didn't look at the test data yet .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean if there 's some testing data that has {disfmarker} has {disfmarker} {vocalsound} has two or three {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah . But I just thought that was a little odd , that there were no two or three long {disfmarker} Sorry . So I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} just for the heck of it , I made a little grammar which um , you know , had it 's separate path {pause} for each length digit string you could get . So there was a one - long path and there was a four - long and a five - long",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and I tried that and it got way worse . There were lots of deletions .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So it was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , I {disfmarker} I didn't have any weights of these paths or {disfmarker} I didn't have anything like that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And I played with tweaking the {vocalsound} word transition penalties a bunch , but I couldn't go anywhere .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But um . I thought \" well if I only allow {disfmarker} \" Yeah , I guess I should have looked at {disfmarker} to see how often there was a mistake where a two - long or a three - long path was actually put out as a hypothesis . Um . But .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So to do that right you 'd probably want to have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} allow for them all but then have weightings and things . So . I just thought that was a interesting {vocalsound} thing about the data .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So we 're gonna read some more digit strings I guess ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You want to go ahead , Morgan ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
}
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"relevant_text_span": [
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],
"topic": "Meeting recorder digits"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"325"
]
],
"topic": "Feature extraction model for backend system"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"394"
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],
"topic": "Time series, reverberation, and pronouncing zero"
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{
"answer": "The meeting focused on the results from the existing model, speeding up the backend for feature direction, and a few tangential topics being developed for future exploration. The team was unsure why their model was not performing as well as they expected it to, and they suspected that their smaller dataset might be at fault. They also discussed how they could improve the performance of the backend model by improving feature detection. The meeting ended with some students sharing the tangential fields they were exploring and a brief discussion on the different pronunciations of zero.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The team was concerned that there was something wrong with the back-end of the model. The professor was insistent that the problem was probably with the lack of data. The team also speculated that their data was more challenging.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about meeting recorder digits",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"153"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The professor thought that they were constrained by the shortage of data in the backend. Bigger companies had massive amounts of data to train their models. He recalled that they had been playing with the states in the back-end, but the results had not been too fruitful.",
"query": "What did the professor think about the back-end?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"16",
"56"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "PhD E speculated that the recording problem probably does not have to do with noise. The difference in result with the tandem and Aurora system was too big. He suggested they could learn more by adding more data from Meeting Recorder digits.",
"query": "What did PhD E think about the noise?",
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"61",
"96"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad B shared some of his progress on how the modulation spectrum could speak to the intelligibility of different linguistic units. Grad C was working on reverberation and how a model may deal with varying reverberation response. The discussion ended with different pronunciation, \"O\" and \"zero\" for the digit zero.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on time series, reverberation and pronouncing zero",
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"326",
"394"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Grad B was working with Larry Saul on factorial HMM and doing inference with them. Grad B thought that perhaps modulation spectrum could be used on features and sub-bands to advance this work.",
"query": "What did Grad B think about time series?",
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"329",
"336"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The professor pointed out that zero is said in two ways, \"O\" and \"Zero.\" So, when recording digits, people are told which way to pronounce it.",
"query": "What did the professor think about pronouncing zero?",
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{
"content": "We 're going ? OK . Sh - Close your door on {disfmarker} door on the way out ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Probably wanna get this other door , too . OK . So . Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} What are we talking about today ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well , first there are perhaps these uh Meeting Recorder digits that we tested .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . That was kind of uh interesting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} both the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the SRI System and the oth",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And for one thing that {disfmarker} that sure shows the {vocalsound} difference between having a lot of uh training data {vocalsound} or not ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Of data ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh , the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The best kind of number we have on the English uh {disfmarker} on near microphone only is {disfmarker} is uh three or four percent .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh it 's significantly better than that , using fairly simple front - ends {vocalsound} on {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , with the SRI system .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I th I think that the uh {disfmarker} But that 's {disfmarker} that 's using uh a {disfmarker} a pretty huge amount of data , mostly not digits , of course , but {disfmarker} but then again {disfmarker} Well , yeah . In fact , mostly not digits for the actual training the H M Ms whereas uh in this case we 're just using digits for training the H M",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Did anybody mention about whether the {disfmarker} the SRI system is a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is {disfmarker} is doing the digits um the wor as a word model or as uh a sub s sub - phone states ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh allophone models ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Probably .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "so , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think so , because it 's their very d huge , their huge system .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And . But . So . There is one difference {disfmarker} Well , the SRI system {disfmarker} the result for the SRI system that are represented here are with adaptation . So there is {disfmarker} It 's their complete system and {disfmarker} including on - line uh unsupervised adaptation .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And if you don't use adaptation , the error rate is around fifty percent worse , I think , if I remember .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's tha it 's that much , huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Nnn . It 's {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's quite significant .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Still .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but uh what {disfmarker} what I think I 'd be interested to do given that , is that we {disfmarker} we should uh {vocalsound} take {disfmarker} I guess that somebody 's gonna do this , right ? {disfmarker} is to take some of these tandem things and feed it into the SRI system , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We can do something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} But I guess the main point is the data because uh {vocalsound} I am not sure . Our back - end is {disfmarker} is fairly simple but until now , well , the attempts to improve it or {disfmarker} have fail Ah , well , I mean uh what Chuck tried to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to do",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but he 's doing it with the same data , right ? I mean so to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's two things being affected .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean . One is that {disfmarker} that , you know , there 's something simple that 's wrong with the back - end . We 've been playing a number of states",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh I {disfmarker} I don't know if he got to the point of playing with the uh number of Gaussians yet",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but uh , uh , you know . But , yeah , so far he hadn't gotten any big improvement ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but that 's all with the same amount of data which is pretty small .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . So , yeah , we could retrain some of these tandem on {disfmarker} on huge {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you could do that , but I 'm saying even with it not {disfmarker} with that part not retrained , just {disfmarker} just using {disfmarker} having the H M Ms {disfmarker} much better H M",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Ah , yeah . Just {disfmarker} f for the HMM models .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} But just train those H M Ms using different features , the features coming from our Aurora stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {vocalsound} what would be interesting to see also is what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} perhaps it 's not related , the amount of data but the um recording conditions . I don't know . Because {vocalsound} it 's probably not a problem of noise , because our features are supposed to be robust to noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not a problem of channel , because there is um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} normalization with respect to the channel . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry . What {disfmarker} what is the problem that you 're trying to explain ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the fact that {disfmarker} the result with the tandem and Aurora system are {vocalsound} uh so much worse .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That the {disfmarker} Oh . So much worse ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I uh but I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm almost certain that it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean , that it has to do with the um amount of training data .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's orders of magnitude off .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah but we train only on digits and it 's {disfmarker} it 's a digit task , so . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but having a huge {disfmarker} If {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you look at what commercial places do , they use a huge amount of data .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This is a modest amount of data .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} I mean , ordinarily you would say \" well , given that you have enough occurrences of the digits , you can just train with digits rather than with , you know \" {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But the thing is , if you have a huge {disfmarker} in other words , do word models {disfmarker} But if you have a huge amount of data then you 're going to have many occurrences of similar uh allophones .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And that 's just a huge amount of training for it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I think it has to be that , because , as you say , this is , you know , this is near - microphone ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "it 's really pretty clean data .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Now , some of it could be the fact that uh {disfmarker} let 's see , in the {disfmarker} in these multi - train things did we include noisy data in the training ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that could be hurting us actually , for the clean case .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , actually we see that the clean train for the Aurora proposals are {disfmarker} are better than the multi - train ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It is if {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz this is clean data , and so that 's not too surprising .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But um . Uh . So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , o I guess what I meant is that well , let 's say if we {disfmarker} if we add enough data to train on the um on the Meeting Recorder digits , I guess we could have better results than this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And . What I meant is that perhaps we can learn something uh from this , what 's {disfmarker} what 's wrong uh what {disfmarker} what is different between TI - digits and these digits and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What kind of numbers are we getting on TI - digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's point eight percent , so .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Four - Fourier .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So in the actual TI - digits database we 're getting point eight percent ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and here we 're getting three or four {disfmarker} three , let 's see , three for this ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure , but I mean , um point eight percent is something like double uh or triple what people have gotten who 've worked very hard at doing that .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and also , as you point out , there 's adaptation in these numbers also . So if you , you know , put the ad adap take the adaptation off , then it {disfmarker} for the English - Near you get something like two percent .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And here you had , you know , something like three point four . And I could easily see that difference coming from this huge amount of data that it was trained on .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , I don't think there 's anything magical here .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's , you know , we used a simple HTK system with a modest amount of data . And this is a {disfmarker} a , you know , modern {vocalsound} uh system uh has {disfmarker} has a lot of nice points to it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . So . I mean , the HTK is an older HTK , even . So . Yeah it {disfmarker} it 's not that surprising .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But to me it just {disfmarker} it just meant a practical {vocalsound} point that um if we want to {vocalsound} publish results on digits that {disfmarker} that people pay {vocalsound} attention to we probably should uh {disfmarker} Cuz we 've had the problem before that you get {disfmarker} show some {vocalsound} nice improvement on something that 's {disfmarker} that 's uh , uh {disfmarker} it seems like too large a number , and uh {vocalsound} uh people don't necessarily take it so seriously .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . Yeah . So the three point four percent for this uh is {disfmarker} is uh {disfmarker} So why is it {disfmarker} It 's an interesting question though , still . Why is {disfmarker} why is it three point four percent for the d the digits recorded in this environment as opposed to {vocalsound} the uh point eight percent for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for the original TI - digits database ? Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . th that 's {disfmarker} th that 's my point",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Given {disfmarker} given the same {disfmarker} Yeah . So ignore {disfmarker} ignoring the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the SRI system for a moment ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't I {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "just looking at {vocalsound} the TI - di the uh tandem system , if we 're getting point eight percent , which , yes , it 's high . It 's , you know , it {disfmarker} it 's not awfully high ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but it 's , you know {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's high . Um . {vocalsound} Why is it {vocalsound} uh four times as high , or more ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} even though it 's close - miked there 's still {disfmarker} there really is background noise .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . And {vocalsound} uh I suspect when the TI - digits were recorded if somebody fumbled or said something wrong or something that they probably made them take it over .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It was not {disfmarker} I mean there was no attempt to have it be realistic in any {disfmarker} in any sense at all .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well . Yeah . And acoustically , it 's q it 's {disfmarker} I listened . It 's quite different . TI - digit is {disfmarker} it 's very , very clean and it 's like studio recording",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "whereas these Meeting Recorder digits sometimes you have breath noise and Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . So I think they were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {nonvocalsound} not controlled at all , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Bless you .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} Yeah . I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} So . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's the indication it 's harder .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} Yeah and again , you know , i that 's true either way . I mean so take a look at the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , the SRI results . I mean , they 're much much better , but still you 're getting something like one point three percent for uh things that are same data as in T {disfmarker} TI - digits the same {disfmarker} same text .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . And uh , I 'm sure the same {disfmarker} same system would {disfmarker} would get , you know , point {disfmarker} point three or point four or something {vocalsound} on the actual TI - digits . So this {disfmarker} I think , on both systems the {vocalsound} these digits are showing up as harder .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Which I find sort of interesting cause I think this is closer to {disfmarker} uh I mean it 's still read . But I still think it 's much closer to {disfmarker} to what {disfmarker} what people actually face , {vocalsound} um when they 're {disfmarker} they 're dealing with people saying digits over the telephone . I mean . {vocalsound} I don't think uh {disfmarker} I mean , I 'm sure they wouldn't release the numbers , but I don't think that uh {vocalsound} the uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the companies that {disfmarker} that do telephone {vocalsound} speech get anything like point four percent on their {vocalsound} digits . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure they get {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , for one thing people do phone up who don't have uh uh Middle America accents and it 's a we we it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's US .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "it has {disfmarker} has many people {vocalsound} {vocalsound} who sound in many different ways . So . Um . I mean . OK . That was that topic . What else we got ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Did we end up giving up on {disfmarker} on , any Eurospeech submissions ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? I know Thilo and Dan Ellis are {disfmarker} are submitting something , but uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I guess e the only thing with these {disfmarker} the Meeting Recorder and , well , {disfmarker} So , I think , yeah {disfmarker} I think we basically gave up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} Now , actually for the {disfmarker} for the Aur - uh",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "we do have stuff for Aurora , right ? Because {disfmarker} because we have ano an extra month or something .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So . Yeah , for sure we will do something for the special session .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that 's fine . So th so {disfmarker} so we have a couple {disfmarker} a couple little things on Meeting Recorder",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and we have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We don't {disfmarker} we don't have to flood it with papers . We 're not trying to prove anything to anybody . so . That 's fine . Um . Anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well . So . Perhaps the point is that we 've been working on {vocalsound} is , yeah , we have put the um the good VAD in the system and {vocalsound} it really makes a huge difference . Um . So , yeah . I think , yeah , this is perhaps one of the reason why our system was not {disfmarker} {vocalsound} not the best , because with the new VAD , it 's very {disfmarker} the results are similar to the France Telecom results and perhaps even better sometimes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Um . So there is this point . Uh . The problem is that it 's very big and {vocalsound} {vocalsound} we still have to think how to {disfmarker} where to put it and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "because it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , this VAD uh either some delay and we {disfmarker} if we put it on the server side , it doesn't work , because on the server side features you already have LDA applied {vocalsound} from the f from the terminal side and {vocalsound} so you accumulate the delay so the VAD should be before the LDA which means perhaps on the terminal side and then smaller {vocalsound} and",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So wha where did this good VAD come from ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . It 's um from OGI . So it 's the network trained {disfmarker} it 's the network with the huge amounts on hidden {disfmarker} of hidden units , and um nine input frames compared to the VAD that was in the proposal which has a very small amount of hidden units and fewer inputs .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This is the one they had originally ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah , but they had to {pause} get rid of it because of the space , didn't they ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . Yeah . But the abso assumption is that we will be able to make a VAD that 's small and that works fine . And . So we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well . So that 's a problem . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {disfmarker} nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But the other thing is uh to use a different VAD entirely . I mean , uh i if {disfmarker} if there 's a {vocalsound} if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know what the thinking was amongst the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} the ETSI folk but um if everybody agreed sure let 's use this VAD and take that out of there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . They just want , apparently {disfmarker} they don't want to fix the VAD because they think there is some interaction between feature extraction and {disfmarker} and VAD or frame dropping But they still {vocalsound} want to {disfmarker} just to give some um {vocalsound} requirement for this VAD because it 's {disfmarker} it will not be part of {disfmarker} they don't want it to be part of the standard .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So . So it must be at least uh somewhat fixed but not completely . So there just will be some requirements that are still not {disfmarker} uh not yet uh ready I think .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Determined . I see . But I was thinking that {disfmarker} that uh {vocalsound} s \" Sure , there may be some interaction ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but I don't think we need to be stuck on using our or OGI 's {pause} VAD . We could use somebody else 's if it 's smaller or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , as long as it did the job .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . So there is this thing . There is um {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh I designed a new {disfmarker} a new filter because when I designed other filters with shorter delay from the LDA filters , {vocalsound} there was one filter with fif sixty millisecond delay and the other with ten milliseconds",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} uh Hynek suggested that both could have sixty - five sixty - s I think it 's sixty - five .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Both should have sixty - five because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You didn't gain anything , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And . So I did that and uh it 's running . So , {vocalsound} let 's see what will happen . Uh but the filter is of course closer to the reference filter .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Um . Yeah . I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that means logically , in principle , it should be better . So probably it 'll be worse .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or in the basic perverse nature uh of reality . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and then we 've started to work with this of um voiced - unvoiced stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And next week I think we will {vocalsound} perhaps try to have um a new system with uh uh MSG stream also see what {disfmarker} what happens . So , something that 's similar to the proposal too , but with MSG stream .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , I w {vocalsound} I begin to play {vocalsound} with Matlab and to found some parameter robust for voiced - unvoiced decision . But only to play . And we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {disfmarker} we found that maybe w is a classical parameter , the {vocalsound} sq the variance {vocalsound} between the um FFT of the signal and the small spectrum of time {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} after the um mel filter bank .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And , well , is more or less robust . Is good for clean speech . Is quite good {vocalsound} for noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Huh ? Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but um we must to have bigger statistic with TIMIT ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and is not ready yet to use on ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "well , I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , basically we wa want to look at something like the ex the ex excitation signal and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which are the variance of it and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I have here . I have here for one signal , for one frame .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the mix of the two , noise and unnoise , and the signal is this . Clean , and this noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "These are the two {disfmarker} the mixed , the big signal is for clean .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm s uh {disfmarker} There 's {disfmarker} None of these axes are labeled , so I don't know what this {disfmarker} What 's this axis ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh this is uh {disfmarker} this axis is {vocalsound} nnn , \" frame \" .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Frame .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And what 's th what this ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is uh energy , log - energy of the spectrum . Of the this is the variance , the difference {nonvocalsound} between the spectrum of the signal and FFT of each frame of the signal and this mouth spectrum of time after the f may fit for the two ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "For this one . For the noi",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "this big , to here , they are to signal . This is for clean and this is for noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . There 's two things on the same graph .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't know . I {disfmarker} I think that I have d another graph , but I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So w which is clean and which is noise ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think the lower one is noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The lower is noise and the height is clean .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So it 's harder to distinguish",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's height .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but it {disfmarker} but it g",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "with noise of course but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I must to have .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Pity , but I don't have two different",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And presumably when there 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So this should the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the t voiced portions .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it is the height is voiced portion .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The p the peaks should be voiced portion .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And this is the noise portion .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And this is more or less like this . But I meant to have see @ @ two {disfmarker} two the picture .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "This is , for example , for one frame .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the spectrum of the signal . And this is the small version of the spectrum after ML mel filter bank .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And this is the difference ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And this is I don't know . This is not the different . This is trying to obtain {vocalsound} with LPC model the spectrum but using Matlab without going factor and s",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No pre - emphasis ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Not pre - emphasis . Nothing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so it 's {disfmarker} doesn't do too well there .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} I think that this is good . This is quite similar . this is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this is another frame . ho how I obtained the {vocalsound} envelope , {nonvocalsound} this envelope , with the mel filter bank .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So now I wonder {disfmarker} I mean , do you want to {disfmarker} I know you want to get at something orthogonal from what you get with the smooth spectrum Um . But if you were to really try and get a voiced - unvoiced , do you {disfmarker} do you want to totally ignore that ? I mean , do you {disfmarker} do you {disfmarker} I mean , clearly a {disfmarker} a very big {disfmarker} very big cues {vocalsound} for voiced - unvoiced come from uh spectral slope and so on , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , this would be {disfmarker} this would be perhaps an additional parameter ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "simply isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because when did noise clear {nonvocalsound} in these section is clear",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "if s @ @ {nonvocalsound} val value is indicative that is a voice frame and it 's low values",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Well , you probably want {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} certainly if {vocalsound} you want to do good voiced - unvoiced detection , you need a few features . Each {disfmarker} each feature is {vocalsound} by itself not enough . But , you know , people look at {disfmarker} at slope and {vocalsound} uh first auto - correlation coefficient , divided by power .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or uh um there 's uh {disfmarker} I guess we prob probably don't have enough computation to do a simple pitch detector or something ? I mean with a pitch detector you could have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} have a {disfmarker} an estimate of {disfmarker} of what the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Or maybe you could you just do it going through the P FFT 's figuring out some um probable {vocalsound} um harmonic structure . Right . And {disfmarker} and uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you have read up and {disfmarker} you have a paper , {vocalsound} the paper that you s give me yesterday . they say that yesterday {vocalsound} they are some {nonvocalsound} problem",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . But {disfmarker} Yeah , but it 's not {disfmarker} it 's , yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's another problem .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and the {disfmarker} Is another problem .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah Um . Yeah , there is th this fact actually . If you look at this um spectrum ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "What 's this again ? Is it {vocalsound} the mel - filters ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like this . Of kind like this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . So the envelope here is the output of the mel - filters",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and what we clearly see is that in some cases , and it clearly appears here , and the {disfmarker} the harmonics are resolved by the f Well , there are still appear after mel - filtering ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and it happens {vocalsound} for high pitched voice because the width of the lower frequency mel - filters {vocalsound} is sometimes even smaller than the pitch .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's around one hundred , one hundred and fifty hertz {vocalsound} Nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so what happens is that this uh , add additional variability to this envelope and {vocalsound} {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "so we were thinking to modify the mel - spectrum to have something that {disfmarker} that 's smoother on low frequencies .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's as {disfmarker} as a separate thing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is a separate thing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Separate thing ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe so . Um . Yeah . So , what {disfmarker} Yeah . What I was talking about was just , starting with the FFT you could {disfmarker} you could uh do a very rough thing to estimate {disfmarker} estimate uh pitch .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh uh , given {disfmarker} you know , given that , uh {vocalsound} you could uh uh come up with some kind of estimate of how much of the low frequency energy was {disfmarker} was explained by {disfmarker} {vocalsound} by uh uh those harmonics .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . It 's uh a variant on what you 're s what you 're doing . The {disfmarker} I mean , the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} the mel does give a smooth thing . But as you say it 's not that smooth here . And {disfmarker} and so if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you just you know subtracted off uh your guess of the harmonics then something like this would end up with {vocalsound} quite a bit lower energy in the first fifteen hundred hertz or so and {disfmarker} and our first kilohertz , even .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And um {vocalsound} if was uh noisy , the proportion that it would go down would be if it was {disfmarker} if it was unvoiced or something .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you oughta be able to {vocalsound} pick out voiced segments . At least it should be another {disfmarker} another cue . So . {vocalsound} Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK ? That 's what 's going on . Uh . What 's up with you ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} our t I went to {vocalsound} talk with uh Mike Jordan this {disfmarker} this week",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "um {nonvocalsound} and uh {vocalsound} shared with him the ideas about um {vocalsound} extending the Larry Saul work and um I asked him some questions about factorial H M so like later down the line when {vocalsound} we 've come up with these {disfmarker} these feature detectors , how do we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} how do we uh {vocalsound} you know , uh model the time series that {disfmarker} that happens um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} and {vocalsound} and we talked a little bit about {vocalsound} factorial H M Ms and how {vocalsound} um when you 're doing inference {disfmarker} or w when you 're doing recognition , there 's like simple Viterbi stuff that you can do for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for these H M and {vocalsound} the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the great advantages that um a lot of times the factorial H M Ms don't {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} don't over - alert the problem there they have a limited number of parameters and they focus directly on {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on uh the sub - problems at hand so {vocalsound} you can imagine {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} five or so parallel {vocalsound} um features um transitioning independently and then {vocalsound} at the end you {disfmarker} you uh couple these factorial H M Ms with uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with uh undirected links um based on {disfmarker} {vocalsound} based on some more data .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So he {disfmarker} he seemed {disfmarker} he seemed like really interested in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in um {disfmarker} in this and said {disfmarker} said this is {disfmarker} this is something very do - able and can learn a lot and um yeah , I 've just been {vocalsound} continue reading um about certain things .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "um thinking of maybe using um {vocalsound} um m modulation spectrum stuff to {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} as features um also in the {disfmarker} in the sub - bands",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "because {vocalsound} it seems like {vocalsound} the modulation um spectrum tells you a lot about the intelligibility of {disfmarker} of certain um words and stuff So , um . Yeah . Just that 's about it .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . And um so I 've been looking at Avendano 's work and um uh I 'll try to write up in my next stat status report a nice description of {vocalsound} what he 's doing , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's an approach to deal with {vocalsound} reverberation or that {disfmarker} the aspect of his work that I 'm interested in the idea is that um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} normally an analysis frames are um {vocalsound} too short to encompass reverberation effects um in full . You miss most of the reverberation tail in a ten millisecond window and so {vocalsound} {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you 'd like it to be that {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} the reverberation responses um simply convolved um in , but it 's not really with these ten millisecond frames cuz you j But if you take , say , a two millisecond {vocalsound} um window {disfmarker} I 'm sorry a two second window then in a room like this , most of the reverberation response {vocalsound} is included in the window and the {disfmarker} then it um {vocalsound} then things are l more linear . It is {disfmarker} it is more like the reverberation response is simply c convolved and um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and you can use channel normalization techniques {vocalsound} like uh in his thesis he 's assuming that the reverberation response is fixed . He just does um {vocalsound} mean subtraction , which is like removing the DC component of the modulation spectrum and {vocalsound} that 's supposed to d um deal {disfmarker} uh deal pretty well with the um reverberation and um {vocalsound} the neat thing is you can't take these two second frames and feed them to a speech recognizer um {vocalsound} so he does this {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} method training trading the um {vocalsound} the spectral resolution for time resolution {vocalsound} and um {vocalsound} come ca uh synthesizes a new representation which is with say ten second frames but a lower s um {vocalsound} frequency resolution . So I don't really know the theory . I guess it 's {disfmarker} these are called \" time frequency representations \" and h he 's making the {disfmarker} the time sh um finer grained and the frequency resolution um less fine grained .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "s so I 'm {disfmarker} I guess my first stab actually in continuing {vocalsound} his work is to um {vocalsound} re - implement this {disfmarker} this thing which um {vocalsound} changes the time and frequency resolutions cuz he doesn't have code for me . So that that 'll take some reading about the theory . I don't really know the theory .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and um , {vocalsound} another f first step is um , so the {disfmarker} the way I want to extend his work is make it able to deal with a time varying reverberation response um {vocalsound} and um we don't really know {vocalsound} how fast the um {disfmarker} the reverberation response is varying the Meeting Recorder data um so um {vocalsound} we {disfmarker} we have this um block least squares um imp echo canceller implementation and um {vocalsound} I want to try {vocalsound} finding {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the response , say , between a near mike and the table mike for someone using the echo canceller and looking at the echo canceller taps and then {vocalsound} see how fast that varies {vocalsound} from block to block .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That should give an idea of how fast the reverberation response is changing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um . I think we 're {vocalsound} sort of done .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So let 's read our digits and go home .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um . S so um y you do {disfmarker} I think you read some of the {disfmarker} the zeros as O 's and some as zeros .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Is there a particular way we 're supposed to read them ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "There are only zeros here . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No . \" O \" {disfmarker} \" O \" {disfmarker} \" O \" \" O \" {disfmarker} \" O \" {disfmarker} \" O \" and \" zero \" are two ways that we say that digit .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Eee . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Ha !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker} i",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Perhaps in the sheets there should be another sign for the {disfmarker} if we want to {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the guy to say \" O \" or",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No . I mean . I think people will do what they say .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean in digit recognition we 've done before , you have {disfmarker} you have two pronunciations for that value , \" O \" and \" zero \" .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But it 's perhaps more difficult for the people to prepare the database then , if {disfmarker} because here you only have zeros",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , they just write {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and people pronounce \" O \" or zero {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "they {disfmarker} they write down OH . or they write down ZERO a and they {disfmarker} and they each have their own pronunciation .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but if the sh the sheet was prepared with a different sign for the \" O \" .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But people wouldn't know what that wa I mean {vocalsound} there is no convention for it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "See . I mean , you 'd have to tell them {vocalsound} \" OK when we write this , say it tha \" ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know , and you just {disfmarker} They just want people to read the digits as you ordinarily would",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and people say it different ways .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Is this a change from the last batch of {disfmarker} of um forms ? Because in the last batch it was spelled out which one you should read .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was orthographic , so .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes . That 's right . It was {disfmarker} it was spelled out , and they decided they wanted to get at more the way people would really say things .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's also why they 're {disfmarker} they 're bunched together in these different groups . So {disfmarker} so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} Everything 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Actually , let me just s since {disfmarker} since you brought it up , I was just {disfmarker} it was hard not to be self - conscious about that when it {vocalsound} after we {disfmarker} since we just discussed it . But I realized that {disfmarker} that um {vocalsound} when I 'm talking on the phone , certainly , and {disfmarker} and saying these numbers , {vocalsound} I almost always say zero . And uh {disfmarker} cuz {disfmarker} because uh i it 's two syllables . It 's {disfmarker} it 's more likely they 'll understand what I said . So that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's the habit I 'm in , but some people say \" O \" and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I normally say \" O \" cuz it 's easier to say .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it 's shorter . Yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} So . {vocalsound} So uh .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "\" O \"",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Now , don't think about it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no !",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "OK . We 're done .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
}
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"topic": "HTK backend"
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"topic": "Aurora performance evaluation"
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{
"answer": "The meeting began with an update on the HTK backend. The team was testing different numbers for Gaussian mixtures. The team then discussed how performance on the Aurora tasks was measured. The final score for Aurora was a weighted average, but it seemed that there was no practical implementation against which tasks were being measured. The VAD of the team's existing system for Aurora was better. The team was also working on feature classification, mainly to do voice-unvoice detection. The meeting concluded with a few more updates on the Aurora project.",
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}
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{
"answer": "The feature classification had means of 0.3 for voiced and 0.59 for unvoiced on voice-unvoice, though the variance was quite high. The team was using TIMIT and was in the stage of looking for features. The professor thought that the team's intuition was leading them to make statistical characterizations of what was missing from the spectral envelope. They could use things they were potentially losing in the smoothing process.",
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"answer": "The professor thought that the team should go back and look at the difference between the smooth and the raw versions. He thought the team was too stuck on intuitions based on only the smooth version. He agreed that not having a smooth version could hurt the model a bit, but the team could potentially learn something that helps the model more.",
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"answer": "PhD A informed the team that the team was looking at the difference between the mel filter and FFT spectrum, which he called the variance. The variance for voice-unvoice was high. PhD C thought that the variance was kind of artificial because it was being done using canonical mappings from TIMIT labelings.",
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"answer": "The team thought that it was not fair to get a good VAD since there weren't enough baseline features. An MFCC would have been more appropriate, but optimizing for one meant lower scores on the other. In general, the model was better now due to lower latencies.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about VAD improvements",
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"answer": "The professor thought that the model was better now since it had lower latencies. So, he thought that the good VAD was worth the trouble.",
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{
"content": "It 's not very significant .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , channel one . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Channel three .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Channel three .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Ta",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Channel three . Alright .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK , did you solve speech recognition last week ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Almost .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Alright ! Let 's do image processing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes , again .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We did it again , Morgan .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Alright !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Doo - doop , doo - doo .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "What 's wrong with {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . It 's April fifth . Actually , Hynek should be getting back in town shortly if he isn't already .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is he gonna come here ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well , we 'll drag him here . I know where he is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So when you said \" in town \" , you mean {pause} Oregon .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "U u u u uh , I meant , you know , this end of the world , yeah , {vocalsound} is really what I meant ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Doo , doo - doo .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "uh , cuz he 's been in Europe .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Doo - doo .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I have something just fairly brief to report on .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I did some {pause} experim uh , uh , just a few more experiments before I had to , {vocalsound} uh , go away for the w well , that week .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Great !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Was it last week or whenever ? Um , so what I was started playing with was the {disfmarker} th again , this is the HTK back - end . And , um , I was curious because the way that they train up the models , {vocalsound} they go through about four sort of rounds of {disfmarker} of training . And in the first round they do {disfmarker} uh , I think it 's three iterations , and for the last three rounds e e they do seven iterations of re - estimation in each of those three . And so , you know , that 's part of what takes so long to train the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the back - end for this .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry , I didn't quite get that . There 's {disfmarker} there 's four and there 's seven and {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , maybe I should write it on the board . So , {vocalsound} there 's four rounds of training . Um , I g I g I guess you could say iterations . The first one is three , then seven , seven , and seven . And what these numbers refer to is the number of times that the , uh , HMM re - estimation is run . It 's this program called H E",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But in HTK , what 's the difference between , uh , a {disfmarker} an inner loop and an outer loop in these iterations ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So what happens is , um , at each one of these points , you increase the number of Gaussians in the model .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , right ! This was the mix up stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The mix up .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I remember now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so , in the final one here , you end up with , uh {disfmarker} for all of the {disfmarker} the digit words , you end up with , uh , three {pause} mixtures per state ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "eh , in the final {pause} thing . So I had done some experiments where I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I want to play with the number of mixtures .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But , um , uh , I wanted to first test to see if we actually need to do {pause} this many iterations early on .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , one , two ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so , um , I {disfmarker} I ran a couple of experiments where I {vocalsound} reduced that to l to be three , two , two , {vocalsound} uh , five , I think , and I got almost the exact same results .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} but it runs much much faster . So , um , I {disfmarker} I think m {pause} it only took something like , uh , three or four hours to do the full training ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "As opposed to {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to wh what , sixteen hours or something like that ? I mean , it takes {disfmarker} you have to do an overnight basically , the way it is set up now .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It depends .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , even we don't do anything else , doing something like this could allow us to turn experiments around a lot faster .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then when you have your final thing , do a full one , so it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And when you have your final thing , we go back to this .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , and it 's a real simple change to make . I mean , it 's like one little text file you edit and change those numbers , and you don't do anything else .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , this is a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you just run .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's a very simple change to make and it doesn't seem to hurt all that much .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} you run with three , two , two , five ? That 's a",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} Uh , I {disfmarker} I have to look to see what the exact numbers were .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I thought was , like , three , two , two , five ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but I I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll double check . It was {vocalsound} over a week ago that I did it ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so I can't remember exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "um , but it 's so much faster . I it makes a big difference .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So we could do a lot more experiments and throw a lot more stuff in there .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Oh , the other thing that I did was , um , {vocalsound} I compiled {pause} the HTK stuff for the Linux boxes . So we have this big thing that we got from IBM , which is a five - processor machine . Really fast , but it 's running Linux . So , you can now run your experiments on that machine and you can run five at a time and it runs , {vocalsound} uh , as fast as , you know , uh , five different machines .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , I 've forgotten now what the name of that machine is but I can {disfmarker} I can send email around about it .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so we 've got it {disfmarker} now HTK 's compiled for both the Linux and for , um , the Sparcs . Um , you have to make {disfmarker} you have to make sure that in your dot CSHRC , {vocalsound} um , it detects whether you 're running on the Linux or a {disfmarker} a Sparc and points to the right executables . Uh , and you may not have had that in your dot CSHRC before , if you were always just running the Sparc . So , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , I can {disfmarker} I can tell you exactly what you need to do to get all of that to work . But it 'll {disfmarker} it really increases what we can run on .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Cool .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} together with the fact that we 've got these {pause} faster Linux boxes and that it takes less time to do {pause} these , um , we should be able to crank through a lot more experiments .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So after I did that , then what I wanted to do {comment} was try {pause} increasing the number of mixtures , just to see , um {disfmarker} see how {disfmarker} how that affects performance .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . In fact , you could do something like {pause} keep exactly the same procedure and then add a fifth thing onto it",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "that had more .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So at {disfmarker} at the middle o where the arrows are showing , that 's {disfmarker} you 're adding one more mixture per state ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "let 's see , uh . It goes from this {disfmarker} uh , try to go it backwards {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} at this point it 's two mixtures {pause} per state . So this just adds one . Except that , uh , actually for the silence model , it 's six mixtures per state .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so it goes to two .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um . And I think what happens here is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Might be between , uh , shared , uh {disfmarker} shared variances or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that 's what it is .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . It 's , uh {disfmarker} Shoot . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can't remember now what happens at that first one . Uh , I have to look it up and see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , there {disfmarker} because they start off with , uh , an initial model which is just this global model , and then they split it to the individuals . And so , {vocalsound} it may be that that 's what 's happening here . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I have to look it up and see . I {disfmarker} I don't exactly remember .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So . That 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So what else ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . There was a conference call this Tuesday . Um . I don't know yet the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what happened {vocalsound} Tuesday , but {vocalsound} the points that they were supposed to discuss is still , {vocalsound} uh , things like {vocalsound} the weights , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , this is a conference call for , uh , uh , Aurora participant sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Do you know who was {disfmarker} who was {disfmarker} since we weren't in on it , uh , do you know who was in from OGI ? Was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} was {disfmarker} was Hynek involved or was it Sunil",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you don't know . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . So the points were the {disfmarker} the weights {disfmarker} how to weight the different error rates {vocalsound} that are obtained from different language and {disfmarker} and conditions . Um , it 's not clear that they will keep the same kind of weighting . Right now it 's a weighting on {disfmarker} on improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Some people are arguing that it would be better to have weights on uh {disfmarker} well , to {disfmarker} to combine error rates {pause} before computing improvement . Uh , and the fact is that for {disfmarker} right now for {pause} the English , they have weights {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they combine error rates , but for the other languages they combine improvement . So it 's not very consistent . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The , um {disfmarker} Yeah . And so {disfmarker} Well , {vocalsound} this is a point . And right now actually there is a thing also , {vocalsound} uh , that happens with the current weight is that a very non - significant improvement {pause} on the well - matched case result in {pause} huge differences in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in the final number .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so , perhaps they will change the weights to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "How should that be done ? I mean , it {disfmarker} it seems like there 's a simple way {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this seems like an obvious mistake or something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , the fact that it 's inconsistent is an obvious mistake .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Th - they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} but , um , the other thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "In",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know I haven't thought it through , but one {disfmarker} one would think that {vocalsound} each {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 's like if you say what 's the {disfmarker} what 's the best way to do an average , an arithmetic average or a geometric average ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It depends what you wanna show .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Each {disfmarker} each one is gonna have a different characteristic .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it seems like they should do , like , the percentage improvement or something , rather than the {pause} absolute improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Tha - that 's what they do .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , they are doing that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , that is relative . But the question is , do you average the relative improvements {pause} or do you average the error rates and take the relative improvement maybe of that ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the thing is it 's not just a pure average because there are these weightings .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a weighted average . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And so when you average the {disfmarker} the relative improvement it tends to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to give a lot of {disfmarker} of , um , {vocalsound} importance to the well - matched case because {pause} the baseline is already very good and , um , i it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Why don't they not look at improvements but just look at your av your scores ? You know , figure out how to combine the scores",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "with a weight or whatever , and then give you a score {disfmarker} here 's your score . And then they can do the same thing for the baseline system {disfmarker} and here 's its score . And then you can look at {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's what he 's seeing as one of the things they could do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just when you {disfmarker} when you get all done , I think that they pro I m I {disfmarker} I wasn't there but I think they started off this process with the notion that {vocalsound} you should be {pause} significantly better than the previous standard .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And , um , so they said \" how much is significantly better ? what do you {disfmarker} ? \" And {disfmarker} and so they said \" well , {vocalsound} you know , you should have half the errors , \" or something , \" that you had before \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's , uh , But it does seem like",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "i i it does seem like it 's more logical to combine them first and then do the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Combine error rates and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But there is this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} is this still this problem of weights . When {disfmarker} when you combine error rate it tends to {pause} give more importance to the difficult cases , and some people think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "well , they have different , {vocalsound} um , opinions about this . Some people think that {vocalsound} it 's more important to look at {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to have ten percent imp relative improvement on {pause} well - matched case than to have fifty percent on the m mismatched , and other people think that it 's more important to improve a lot on the mismatch and {disfmarker} So , bu",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It sounds like they don't really have a good idea about what the final application is gonna be .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "l de fff ! Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , the {disfmarker} the thing is {vocalsound} that if you look at the numbers on the {disfmarker} on the more difficult cases , {vocalsound} um , if you really believe that was gonna be the predominant use , {vocalsound} none of this would be good enough .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Nothing anybody 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "whereas {vocalsound} you sort of with some reasonable error recovery could imagine in the better cases that these {disfmarker} these systems working . So , um , I think the hope would be that it would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , it would work well {pause} for the good cases and , uh , it would have reasonable {disfmarker} reas {vocalsound} soft degradation as you got to worse and worse conditions . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I guess what I 'm {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I was thinking about it in terms of , if I were building the final product and I was gonna test to see which front - end I 'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I wanted to use , I would {vocalsound} try to {pause} weight things depending on the exact environment that I was gonna be using the system in .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , no {disfmarker} well , no . I mean , {vocalsound} it isn't the operating theater . I mean , they don they {disfmarker} they don't {disfmarker} they don't really {pause} know , I think .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I th",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker} if they don't know , doesn't that suggest the way for them to go ? Uh , you assume everything 's equal . I mean , y y I mean , you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , I {disfmarker} I think one thing to do is to just not rely on a single number {disfmarker} to maybe have two or three numbers ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and say {vocalsound} here 's how much you , uh {disfmarker} you improve {vocalsound} the , uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the relatively clean case and here 's {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or well - matched case , and here 's how {disfmarker} here 's how much you ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So not try to combine them .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , actually it 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I had forgotten this , uh , but , uh , well - matched is not actually clean . What it is is just that , u uh , the training and testing are similar .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The training and testing .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , I guess what you would do in practice is you 'd try to get as many , {vocalsound} uh , examples of similar sort of stuff as you could , and then ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} So the argument for that being the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the more important thing , {vocalsound} is that you 're gonna try and do that , {vocalsound} but you wanna see how badly it deviates from that when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when the , uh {disfmarker} it 's a little different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so you should weight those other conditions v very {disfmarker} you know , really small .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} No . That 's a {disfmarker} that 's a {disfmarker} that 's an arg",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's more of an information kind of thing .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "that 's an ar Well , that 's an argument for it , but let me give you the opposite argument . The opposite argument is you 're never really gonna have a good sample of all these different things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , are you gonna have w uh , uh , examples with the windows open , half open , full open ? Going seventy , sixty , fifty , forty miles an hour ? On what kind of roads ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "With what passing you ? With {disfmarker} uh , I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that you could make the opposite argument that the well - matched case is a fantasy .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You know , so ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I think the thing is is that if you look at the well - matched case versus the po you know , the {disfmarker} the medium and the {disfmarker} and the fo and then the mismatched case , {vocalsound} um , we 're seeing really , really big differences in performance . Right ? And {disfmarker} and y you wouldn't like that to be the case . You wouldn't like that as soon as you step outside {disfmarker} You know , a lot of the {disfmarker} the cases it 's {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 'll teach them to roll their window up .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in these cases , if you go from the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} I mean , I don't remember the numbers right off , but if you {disfmarker} if you go from the well - matched case to the medium , {vocalsound} it 's not an enormous difference in the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the training - testing situation , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and it 's a really big {vocalsound} performance drop .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You know , so , um {disfmarker} Yeah , I mean the reference one , for instance {disfmarker} this is back old on , uh {disfmarker} on Italian {disfmarker} uh , was like {pause} six percent error for the well - matched and eighteen for the medium - matched and sixty for the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for highly - mismatched . Uh , and , you know , with these other systems we {disfmarker} we {vocalsound} helped it out quite a bit , but still there 's {disfmarker} there 's something like a factor of two or something between well - matched and medium - matched . And {vocalsound} so I think that {vocalsound} if what you 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if the goal of this is to come up with robust features , it does mean {disfmarker} So you could argue , in fact , that the well - matched is something you shouldn't be looking at at all , that {disfmarker} that the goal is to come up with features {vocalsound} that will still give you reasonable performance , you know , with again gentle degregra degradation , um , even though the {disfmarker} the testing condition is not the same as the training .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , you know , I {disfmarker} I could argue strongly that something like the medium mismatch , which is you know not compl pathological but {disfmarker} I mean , what was the {disfmarker} the medium - mismatch condition again ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Medium mismatch is everything with the far {pause} microphone , but trained on , like , low noisy condition , like low speed and {disfmarker} or {pause} stopped car and tested on {pause} high - speed conditions , I think , like on a highway and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's still the same {disfmarker} same microphone in both cases ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Same microphone but {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but , uh , it 's {disfmarker} there 's a mismatch between the car conditions . And that 's {disfmarker} uh , you could argue that 's a pretty realistic situation",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and , uh , I 'd almost argue for weighting that highest . But the way they have it now , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} They {disfmarker} they compute the relative improvement first and then average that with a weighting ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And so then the {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that makes the highly - matched the really big thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , so , u i since they have these three categories , it seems like the reasonable thing to do {vocalsound} is to go across the languages {pause} and to come up with an improvement for each of those .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Just say \" OK , in the {disfmarker} in the highly - matched case this is what happens , in the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} m the , uh {disfmarker} this other m medium if this happens , in the highly - mismatched {pause} that happens \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , you should see , uh , a gentle degradation {pause} through that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um . But {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I gather that in these meetings it 's {disfmarker} it 's really tricky to make anything {vocalsound} ac {vocalsound} make any {comment} policy change because {vocalsound} {vocalsound} everybody has {disfmarker} has , uh , their own opinion",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , but there is probably a {disfmarker} a big change that will {vocalsound} be made is that the {disfmarker} the baseline {disfmarker} th they want to have a new baseline , perhaps , which is , um , MFCC but with {vocalsound} a voice activity detector . And apparently , {vocalsound} uh , some people are pushing to still keep this fifty percent number . So they want {vocalsound} to have at least fifty percent improvement on the baseline , but w which would be a much better baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And if we look at the result that Sunil sent , {vocalsound} just putting the VAD in the baseline improved , like , more than twenty percent ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which would mean then {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} mean that fifty percent on this new baseline is like , well , more than sixty percent improvement on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} o e e uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So nobody would {pause} be there , probably . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right now , nobody would be there , but {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Good . Work to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So whose VAD is {disfmarker} Is {disfmarker} is this a {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , they didn't decide yet . I guess i this was one point of the conference call also , but {disfmarker} mmm , so I don't know . Um , but {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I {disfmarker} I think th that would be {vocalsound} good . I mean , it 's not that the design of the VAD isn't important , but it 's just that it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it does seem to be i uh , a lot of {pause} work to do a good job on {disfmarker} on that and as well as being a lot of work to do a good job on the feature {vocalsound} design ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "if we can {pause} cut down on that maybe we can make some progress .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "M Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But I guess perhaps {disfmarker} I don't know w {vocalsound} Yeah . Uh , yeah . Per - e s s someone told that perhaps it 's not fair to do that because the , um {disfmarker} to make a good VAD {pause} you don't have enough to {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} the features that are {disfmarker} the baseline features . So {disfmarker} mmm , you need more features . So you really need to put more {disfmarker} more in the {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the front - end .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So i",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "sure . But i bu",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute . I {disfmarker} I 'm confused .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wha - what do you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if i",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So y so you m s Yeah , but {disfmarker} Well , let 's say for ins see , MFCC for instance doesn't have anything in it , uh , related to the pitch . So just {disfmarker} just for example . So suppose you 've {disfmarker} that {vocalsound} what you really wanna do is put a good pitch detector on there and if it gets an unambiguous {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "if it gets an unambiguous result then you 're definitely in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} in a voice in a , uh , s region with speech . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So there 's this assumption that the v the voice activity detector can only use the MFCC ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's not clear , but this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} e",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , for the baseline .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so if you use other features then y But it 's just a question of what is your baseline . Right ? What is it that you 're supposed to do better than ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I g Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so having the baseline be the MFCC 's {pause} means that people could {pause} choose to pour their ener their effort into trying to do a really good VAD",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't s But they seem like two {pause} separate issues .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or tryi They 're sort of separate .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Unfortunately there 's coupling between them , which is part of what I think Stephane is getting to , is that {vocalsound} you can choose your features in such a way as to improve the VAD .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And you also can choose your features in such a way as to prove {disfmarker} improve recognition . They may not be the same thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But it seems like you should do both .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You should do both",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and I {disfmarker} I think that this still makes {disfmarker} I still think this makes sense as a baseline . It 's just saying , as a baseline , we know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you know , we had the MFCC 's before , lots of people have done voice activity detectors ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you might as well pick some voice activity detector and make that the baseline , just like you picked some version of HTK and made that the baseline .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then {pause} let 's try and make everything better . Um , and if one of the ways you make it better is by having your features {pause} be better features for the VAD then that 's {disfmarker} so be it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , uh , uh , at least you have a starting point that 's {disfmarker} um , cuz i i some of {disfmarker} the some of the people didn't have a VAD at all , I guess . Right ? And {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "then they {disfmarker} they looked pretty bad and {disfmarker} and in fact what they were doing wasn't so bad at all .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It seems like you should try to make your baseline as good as possible . And if it turns out that {pause} you can't improve on that , well , I mean , then , you know , nobody wins and you just use MFCC . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , it seems like , uh , it should include sort of the current state of the art {vocalsound} that you want {disfmarker} are trying to improve , and MFCC 's , you know , or PLP or something {disfmarker} it seems like {vocalsound} reasonable baseline for the features , and anybody doing this task , {vocalsound} uh , is gonna have some sort of voice activity detection at some level , in some way . They might use the whole recognizer to do it {vocalsound} but {disfmarker} rather than {vocalsound} a separate thing , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but they 'll have it on some level . So , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It seems like whatever they choose they shouldn't , {vocalsound} you know , purposefully brain - damage a part of the system to {pause} make a worse baseline , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think people just had",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "it wasn't that they purposely brain - damaged it . I think people hadn't really thought through {vocalsound} about the , uh {disfmarker} the VAD issue .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then when the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the proposals actually came in and half of them had V A Ds and half of them didn't , and the half that did did well and the {vocalsound} half that didn't did poorly .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we 'll see what happen with this . And {disfmarker} Yeah . So what happened since , um , {vocalsound} last week is {disfmarker} well , from OGI , these experiments on {pause} putting VAD on the baseline . And these experiments also are using , uh , some kind of noise compensation , so spectral subtraction , and putting on - line normalization , um , just after this . So I think spectral subtraction , LDA filtering , and on - line normalization , so which is similar to {vocalsound} the pro proposal - one , but with {pause} spectral subtraction in addition , and it seems that on - line normalization doesn't help further when you have spectral subtraction .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is this related to the issue that you brought up a couple of meetings ago with the {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} musical tones",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea , because the issue I brought up was with a very simple spectral subtraction approach ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and the one that {vocalsound} they use at OGI is one from {disfmarker} from {vocalsound} the proposed {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the Aurora prop uh , proposals , which might be much better . So , yeah . I asked {vocalsound} Sunil for more information about that , but , uh , I don't know yet . Um . And what 's happened here is that we {disfmarker} so we have this kind of new , um , reference system which {vocalsound} use a nice {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a clean downsampling - upsampling , which use a new filter {vocalsound} that 's much shorter and which also cuts the frequency below sixty - four hertz ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which was not done on our first proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "When you say \" we have that \" , does Sunil have it now , too ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because we 're still testing . So we have the result for , {vocalsound} uh , just the features",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and we are currently testing with putting the neural network in the KLT . Um , it seems to improve on the well - matched case , um , {vocalsound} but it 's a little bit worse on the mismatch and highly - mismatched {disfmarker} I mean when we put the neural network . And with the current weighting I think it 's sh it will be better because the well - matched case is better . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But how much worse {disfmarker} since the weighting might change {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how much worse is it on the other conditions , when you say it 's a little worse ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's like , uh , fff , fff {comment} {vocalsound} {pause} um , {comment} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {pause} ten percent relative . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But it has the , uh {disfmarker} the latencies are much shorter . That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - y w when I say it 's worse , it 's not {disfmarker} it 's when I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh , compare proposal - two to proposal - one , so , r uh , y putting neural network {vocalsound} compared to n not having any neural network . I mean , this new system is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is better ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because it has {vocalsound} um , this sixty - four hertz cut - off , uh , clean {vocalsound} downsampling , and , um {disfmarker} what else ? Uh , yeah , a good VAD . We put the good VAD . So . Yeah , I don't know . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} j uh , uh {disfmarker} pr",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But the latencies {disfmarker} but you 've got the latency shorter now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Latency is short {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Isn't it",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's better than the system that we had before .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mainly because {pause} {vocalsound} of {pause} the sixty - four hertz and the good VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then I took this system and , {vocalsound} mmm , w uh , I p we put the old filters also . So we have this good system , with good VAD , with the short filter and with the long filter , and , um , with the short filter it 's not worse . So {disfmarker} well , is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it 's in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} that 's all fine .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But what you 're saying is that when you do these {disfmarker} So let me try to understand . When {disfmarker} when you do these same improvements {vocalsound} to proposal - one ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that , uh , on the {disfmarker} i things are somewhat better , uh , in proposal - two for the well - matched case and somewhat worse for the other two cases .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So does , uh {disfmarker} when you say , uh {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} The th now that these other things are in there , is it the case maybe that the additions of proposal - two over proposal - one are {pause} less im important ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Probably , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I get it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} So , yeah . Uh . Yeah , but it 's a good thing anyway to have {vocalsound} shorter delay . Then we tried , um , {vocalsound} to do something like proposal - two but having , um , e using also MSG features . So there is this KLT part , which use just the standard features ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then two neura two neural networks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , and it doesn't seem to help . Um , however , we just have {vocalsound} one result , which is the Italian mismatch , so . Uh . We have to wait for that to fill the whole table , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . There was a {vocalsound} start of some effort on something related to voicing or something . Is that {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , {vocalsound} yeah . So basically we try to , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , find {vocalsound} good features that could be used for voicing detection , uh , but it 's still , uh {disfmarker} on the , um {disfmarker} t",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , I have the picture .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "we {disfmarker} w basically we are still playing with Matlab to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to look at {disfmarker} at what happened ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What sorts of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "what sorts of features are you looking at ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We have some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So we would be looking at , um , the {pause} variance of the spectrum of the excitation ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , um , this , this , and this .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "something like this , which is {disfmarker} should be high for voiced sounds . Uh , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute . I {disfmarker} what does that mean ? The variance of the spectrum of excitation .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So the {disfmarker} So basically the spectrum of the excitation {vocalsound} for a purely periodic sig signal shou sh",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah , w what yo what you 're calling the excitation , as I recall , is you 're subtracting the {disfmarker} the , um {disfmarker} the mel {disfmarker} mel {disfmarker} {vocalsound} mel filter , uh , spectrum from the FFT spectrum .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "e That 's right . Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So we have the mel f filter bank , we have the FFT , so we {pause} just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's not really an excitation ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but it 's something that hopefully tells you something about the excitation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We have here some histogram ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "E yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but they have a lot of overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but it 's {disfmarker} it 's still {disfmarker} Yeah . So , well , for unvoiced portion we have something tha {vocalsound} that has a mean around O point three , and for voiced portion the mean is O point fifty - nine . But the variance seem quite {vocalsound} high .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "How do you know {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "How did you get your {pause} voiced and unvoiced truth data ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We used , uh , TIMIT and we used canonical mappings between the phones",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We , uh , use {pause} TIMIT on this ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "th Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But if we look at it in one sentence , it {disfmarker} apparently it 's good , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh , so it 's noisy TIMIT . That 's right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's noisy TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It seems quite robust to noise , so when we take {disfmarker} we draw its parameters across time for a clean sentence and then nois the same noisy sentence , it 's very close .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there are {disfmarker} there is this . There could be also the , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} something like the maximum of the auto - correlation function or {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is this a {disfmarker} a s a trained system ? Or is it a system where you just pick some thresholds ? Ho - how does it work ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right now we just are trying to find some features . And ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Hopefully , I think what we want to have is to put these features in s some kind of , um {disfmarker} well , to {disfmarker} to obtain a statistical model on these features and to {disfmarker} or just to use a neural network and hopefully these features w would help {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Because it seems like what you said about the mean of the {disfmarker} the voiced and the unvoiced {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} that seemed pretty encouraging .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , except the variance was big .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Except the variance is quite high .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , y",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , y I {disfmarker} I don't know that I would trust that so much because you 're doing these canonical mappings from TIMIT labellings .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So , really that 's sort of a cartoon picture about what 's voiced and unvoiced . So that could be giving you a lot of variance .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , i it {disfmarker} it may be that {disfmarker} that you 're finding something good and that the variance is sort of artificial because of how you 're getting your truth .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But another way of looking at it {vocalsound} might be that {disfmarker} I mean , what w we we are coming up with feature sets after all . So another way of looking at it is that {vocalsound} um , the mel cepstru mel {pause} spectrum , mel cepstrum , {vocalsound} any of these variants , um , give you the smooth spectrum . It 's the spectral envelope . By going back to the FFT , {vocalsound} you 're getting something that is {pause} more like the raw data . So the question is , what characterization {disfmarker} and you 're playing around with this {disfmarker} another way of looking at it is what characterization {vocalsound} of the difference between {pause} the raw data {pause} and this smooth version {pause} is something that you 're missing that could help ? So , I mean , looking at different statistical measures of that difference , coming up with some things and just trying them out and seeing if you add them onto the feature vector does that make things better or worse in noise , where you 're really just i i the way I 'm looking at it is not so much you 're trying to f find the best {disfmarker} the world 's best voiced - unvoiced , uh , uh , classifier ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but it 's more that , {vocalsound} you know , uh , uh , try some different statistical characterizations of that difference back to the raw data",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and m maybe there 's something there that {pause} the system can use .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , but ther more obvious is that {disfmarker} Yeah . The {disfmarker} the more obvious is that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} well , using the {disfmarker} th the FFT , um , {vocalsound} you just {disfmarker} it gives you just information about if it 's voiced or not voiced , ma mainly , I mean . But {disfmarker} So ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "this is why we {disfmarker} we started to look {pause} by having sort of voiced phonemes",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's the rea w w what I 'm arguing is that 's Yeah . I mean , uh , what I 'm arguing is that that {disfmarker} that 's givi you {disfmarker} gives you your intuition .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But in {disfmarker} in reality , it 's {disfmarker} you know , there 's all of this {disfmarker} this overlap and so forth ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} But what I 'm saying is that may be OK , because what you 're really getting is not actually voiced versus unvoiced , both for the fac the reason of the overlap and {disfmarker} and then , uh , th you know , structural reasons , uh , uh , like the one that Chuck said , that {disfmarker} that in fact , well , the data itself is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that you 're working with is not perfect .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , what I 'm saying is maybe that 's not a killer because you 're just getting some characterization , one that 's driven by your intuition about voiced - unvoiced certainly ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but it 's just some characterization {vocalsound} of something back in the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the almost raw data , rather than the smooth version .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And your intuition is driving you towards particular kinds of , {vocalsound} uh , statistical characterizations of , um , what 's missing from the spectral envelope .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , obviously you have something about the excitation , um , and what is it about the excitation , and , you know {disfmarker} and you 're not getting the excitation anyway , you know . So {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I would almost take a {disfmarker} uh , especially if {disfmarker} if these trainings and so forth are faster , I would almost just take a {vocalsound} uh , a scattershot at a few different {vocalsound} ways of look of characterizing that difference and , uh , you could have one of them but {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and see , you know , which of them helps .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So i is the idea that you 're going to take {pause} whatever features you develop and {disfmarker} and just add them onto the future vector ? Or , what 's the use of the {disfmarker} the voiced - unvoiced detector ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I guess we don't know exactly yet . But , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} Yeah . Th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not part of a VAD system that you 're doing ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no . No .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , the idea was , I guess , to {disfmarker} to use them as {disfmarker} as features .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Features . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it could be , uh {disfmarker} it could be {vocalsound} a neural network that does voiced and unvoiced detection ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but it could be in the {disfmarker} also the big neural network that does phoneme classification .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But each one of the mixture components {disfmarker} I mean , you have , uh , uh , variance only , so it 's kind of like you 're just multiplying together these , um , probabilities from the individual features {pause} within each mixture . So it 's {disfmarker} so , uh , it seems l you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's a neat thing . Uh , it seems like a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} I know that , um , people doing some robustness things a ways back were {disfmarker} were just doing {disfmarker} just being gross and just throwing in the FFT and actually it wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't so bad . Uh , so it would s and {disfmarker} and you know that i it 's gotta hurt you a little bit to not have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a spectral , uh {disfmarker} a s a smooth spectral envelope , so there must be something else that you get {pause} in return for that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that , uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So how does {disfmarker} uh , maybe I 'm going in too much detail , but {vocalsound} how exactly do you make the difference between the FFT and the smoothed {pause} spectral envelope ? Wha - wh i i uh , how is that , uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , we just {disfmarker} How did we do it up again ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we distend the {disfmarker} we have the twenty - three coefficient af after the mel f {vocalsound} filter ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and we extend these coefficient between the {disfmarker} all the frequency range .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And i the interpolation i between the point {vocalsound} is {disfmarker} give for the triang triangular filter , the value of the triangular filter and of this way we obtained this mode this model speech .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So you essentially take the values that {disfmarker} th that you get from the triangular filter and extend them to sor sort of like a rectangle , that 's at that m value .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think we have linear interpolation .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So we have {disfmarker} we have one point for {disfmarker} one energy for each filter bank ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "mmm Yeah , it 's linear .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which is {pause} the energy {pause} that 's centered on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the triangle {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . At the n at the center of the filter {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} you end up with a vector that 's the same length as the FFT {pause} vector ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And then you just , uh , compute differences",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I have here one example if you {disfmarker} if you want see something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Then we compute the difference .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh , sum the differences ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So . And I think the variance is computed only from , like , two hundred hertz to {pause} one {disfmarker} to fifteen hundred .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Two thou two {disfmarker} {comment} fifteen hundred ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Two hundred and fifty thousand .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Fifteen hundred . Because {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Two thousand and fifteen hundred .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Above , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it seems that {disfmarker} Well , some voiced sound can have also , {vocalsound} like , a noisy {pause} part on high frequencies , and {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's {disfmarker} makes sense to look at {pause} low frequencies .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So this is {disfmarker} uh , basically this is comparing {vocalsound} an original version of the signal to a smoothed version of the same signal ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So i so i i this is {disfmarker} I mean , i you could argue about whether it should be linear interpolation or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or zeroeth order , but {disfmarker} but",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "at any rate something like this {pause} is what you 're feeding your recognizer , typically .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Like which of the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No . Uh , so the mel cepstrum is the {disfmarker} is the {disfmarker} is the cepstrum of this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this , uh , spectrum or log spectrum ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So this is {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "whatever it {disfmarker} You - you 're subtracting in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {vocalsound} power domain or log domain ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "In log domain . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Log domain .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So it 's sort of like division , when you do the {disfmarker} yeah , the spectra .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's the ratio .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . But , anyway , um {disfmarker} and that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what 's th uh , what 's the intuition behind this kind of a thing ? I {disfmarker} I don't know really know the signal - processing well enough to understand what {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what is that doing .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah . What happen if {disfmarker} what we have {disfmarker} have {disfmarker} what we would like to have is {pause} some spectrum of the excitation signal ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess that makes sense . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which is for voiced sound ideally a {disfmarker} a pulse train",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and for unvoiced it 's something that 's more flat .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And the way to do this {vocalsound} is that {disfmarker} well , we have the {disfmarker} we have the FFT because it 's computed in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the system , and we have {vocalsound} the mel {vocalsound} filter banks ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and so if we {disfmarker} if we , like , remove the mel filter bank from the FFT , {vocalsound} we have something that 's {pause} close to the {pause} excitation signal .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's something that 's like {vocalsound} a {disfmarker} a a train of p a pulse train for voiced sound",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and that 's {disfmarker} that should be flat for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see . So do you have a picture that sh ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So - It 's {disfmarker} Y",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is this for a voiced segment ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "this picture ? What does it look like for unvoiced ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You have several {disfmarker} some unvoiced ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The dif No . Unvoiced , I don't have",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "for unvoiced .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , you know , all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is the {disfmarker} between {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is another voiced example . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . But it 's this ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . This is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but between the frequency that we are considered for the excitation {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "for the difference and this is the difference .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is the difference . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , of course , it 's around zero ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sure looks {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Well , no .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because we begin , {vocalsound} uh , in fifteen {vocalsound} point {disfmarker} the fifteen point .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , does {disfmarker} does the periodicity of this signal say something about the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Fifteen p",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Pitch .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's the pitch .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the pitch ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's like fundamental frequency .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , i t t",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , to first order {vocalsound} what you 'd {disfmarker} what you 're doing {disfmarker} I mean , ignore all the details and all the ways which is {disfmarker} that these are complete lies . Uh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} you know , what you 're doing in feature extraction for speech recognition is you have , {vocalsound} uh , in your head a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a simplified production model for speech ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "in which you have a periodic or aperiodic source that 's driving some filters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is the {disfmarker} the auto - correlation {disfmarker} the R - zero energy .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Do you have the mean {disfmarker} do you have the mean for the auto - correlation {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , first order for speech recognition , you say \" I don't care about the source \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean for the {disfmarker} the energy .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I have the mean .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so you just want to find out what the filters are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The filters {vocalsound} roughly act like a , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a an overall resonant {disfmarker} you know , f some resonances and so forth that th that 's processing excitation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They should be more close .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Ah , no . This is this ? More close . Is this ? And this .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So they are {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} there is less difference .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So if you look at the spectral envelope , just the very smooth properties of it , {vocalsound} you get something closer to that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is less {disfmarker} it 's less robust .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Less robust . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the notion is if you have the full spectrum , with all the little nitty - gritty details , {vocalsound} that that has the effect of both ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and it would be a multiplication in {disfmarker} in frequency domain",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so that would be like an addition in log {disfmarker} {vocalsound} power spectrum domain .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And so this is saying , well , if you really do have that {vocalsound} sort of vocal tract envelope , and you subtract that off , what you get is the excitation . And I call that lies because you don't really have that , you just have some kind of {vocalsound} signal - processing trickery to get something that 's kind of smooth . It 's not really what 's happening in the vocal tract",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so you 're not really getting the vocal excitation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 's why I was going to the {disfmarker} why I was referring to it in a more {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a more , uh , {vocalsound} uh , {vocalsound} conservative way , when I was saying \" well , it 's {disfmarker} yeah , it 's the excitation \" . But it 's not really the excitation . It 's whatever it is that 's different between {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . This moved in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , stand standing back from that , you sort of say there 's this very detailed representation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You go to a smooth representation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You go to a smooth representation cuz this typically generalizes better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , but whenever you smooth you lose something , so the question is have you lost something you can you use ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , probably you wouldn't want to go to the extreme of just ta saying \" OK , our feature set will be the FFT \" , cuz we really think we do gain something in robustness from going to something smoother , but maybe there 's something that we missed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So what is it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then you go back to the intuition that , well , you don't really get the excitation , but you get something related to it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker} and as you can see from those pictures , you do get something {vocalsound} that shows some periodicity , uh , in frequency ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "you know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and also in time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's really neat .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So you don't have one for unvoiced {pause} picture ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , not here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , I have s",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But not here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But presumably you 'll see something that won't have this kind of , uh , uh , uh , regularity in frequency , uh , in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Not here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I would li I would like to see those {pause} pictures .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , so .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I can't see you {comment} now .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't have .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so you said this is pretty {disfmarker} doing this kind of thing is pretty robust to noise ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It seems , yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Pfft . Oops . The mean is different {vocalsound} with it , because the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the histogram for the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the classifica",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . But th the kind of robustness to noise {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker} if you take this frame , {vocalsound} uh , from the noisy utterance and the same frame from the clean utterance {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You end up with a similar difference",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Y y y yeah . We end up with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "over here ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Cool !",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I have here the same frame for the {pause} clean speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's clean .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "the same cle",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But they are a difference .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Because here the FFT is only with {vocalsound} two hundred fifty - six point",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and this is with five hundred {pause} twelve .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is kind of inter interesting also",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "because if we use the standard , {vocalsound} uh , frame length of {disfmarker} of , like , twenty - five milliseconds , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} what happens is that for low - pitched voiced , because of the frame length , y you don't really have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you don't clearly see this periodic structure ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because of the first lobe of {disfmarker} of each {disfmarker} each of the harmonics .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So this one inclu is a longer {disfmarker} Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , this is like {disfmarker} yeah , fifty milliseconds or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Fifty millis Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it 's the same frame and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's that time - frequency trade - off thing .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh , so this i is this the difference here , for that ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No . This is the signal . This is the signal .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I see that . Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The frame .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's the f the original .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is the fra the original frame .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So with a short frame basically you have only two periods",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and it 's not {disfmarker} not enough to {disfmarker} to have this kind of neat things .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And here {disfmarker} No , well .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So probably we 'll have to use , {vocalsound} like , long f long frames . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe . Well , I mean it looks better , but , I mean , the thing is if {disfmarker} if , uh {disfmarker} if you 're actually asking {disfmarker} you know , if you actually j uh , need to do {disfmarker} place along an FFT , it may be {disfmarker} it may be pushing things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Would you {disfmarker} would you wanna do this kind of , uh , difference thing {vocalsound} after you do spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , {vocalsound} maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . Maybe we can do that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . The spectral subtraction is being done at what level ? Is it being done at the level of FFT bins or at the level of , uh , mel spectrum or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I guess it depends .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , how are they doing it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How they 're doing it ? Yeah . Um , I guess Ericsson is on the , um , filter bank ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "FFT . Filter bank ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "no ? It 's on the filter bank ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so . So , yeah , probably {disfmarker} I i it {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So in that case , it might not make much difference at all .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Seems like you 'd wanna do it on the FFT bins .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . I mean , certainly it 'd be better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I I mean , if you were gonna {disfmarker} uh , for {disfmarker} for this purpose , that is .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What else ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} Yeah , that 's all . So we 'll perhaps {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} try to convince OGI people to use the new {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the new filters and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh , has {disfmarker} has anything happened yet on this business of having some sort of standard , uh , source ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , not yet",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but I wi I will {vocalsound} call them and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "now they are {disfmarker} I think they have more time because they have this {disfmarker} well , Eurospeech deadline is {vocalsound} over",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "When is the next , um , Aurora {pause} deadline ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} It 's , um , in June . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "June .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Early June , late June , middle June ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , and {pause} he 's been doing all the talking but {disfmarker} but {vocalsound} these {disfmarker} {vocalsound} he 's {disfmarker} he 's , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this by the way a bad thing . We 're trying to get , um , m more female voices in this record as well . So . Make sur make sure Carmen {vocalsound} talks as well . Uh , but has he pretty much been talking about what you 're doing also , and {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I {disfmarker} I am doing this .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . I don't know . I 'm sorry , but I think that for the recognizer for the meeting recorder that it 's better that I don't speak .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You know , uh , we 'll get {disfmarker} we 'll get to , uh , Spanish voices sometime , and {vocalsound} we do {disfmarker} we want to recognize , {vocalsound} uh , you too .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "After the {disfmarker} after , uh , the result for the TI - digits {vocalsound} on the meeting record there will be foreigns people .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Y",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We like {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} w we are {disfmarker} we 're in the , uh , Bourlard - Hermansky - Morgan , uh , frame of mind . Yeah , we like high error rates . It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That way there 's lots of work to do . So it 's {disfmarker} Uh , anything to talk about ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "N um , not not not much is new . So when I talked about what I 'm planning to do last time , {vocalsound} I said I was , um , going to use Avendano 's method of , um , {vocalsound} using a transformation , um , {vocalsound} to map from long analysis frames which are used for removing reverberation to short analysis frames for feature calculation . He has a trick for doing that {pause} involving viewing the DFT as a matrix . Um , but , uh , um , I decided {vocalsound} not to do that after all because I {disfmarker} I realized to use it I 'd need to have these short analysis frames get plugged directly into the feature computation somehow",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and right now I think our feature computation is set to up to , um , {vocalsound} take , um , audio as input , in general . So I decided that I {disfmarker} I 'll do the reverberation removal on the long analysis windows and then just re - synthesize audio and then send that .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "This is in order to use the SRI system or something . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , or {disfmarker} or even if I 'm using our system , I was thinking it might be easier to just re - synthesize the audio ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because then I could just feacalc as is and I wouldn't have to change the code .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Yeah . I mean , it 's {disfmarker} um , certainly in a short {disfmarker} short - term this just sounds easier .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , longer - term if it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if it turns out to be useful , one {disfmarker} one might want to do something else ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Uh , uh , I mean , in {disfmarker} in other words , you {disfmarker} you may be putting other kinds of errors in {pause} from the re - synthesis process .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} e u From the re - synthesis ? Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "O - OK . I don't know anything about re - synthesis . Uh , how likely do you think that is ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it depends what you {disfmarker} what you do . I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , um {disfmarker} Don't know . But anyway it sounds like a reasonable way to go for a {disfmarker} for an initial thing , and we can look at {disfmarker} {vocalsound} at exactly what you end up doing and {disfmarker} and then figure out if there 's some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} something that could be {disfmarker} be hurt by the end part of the process .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So that 's {disfmarker} That was it , huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} Yeah , e That 's it , that 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um , anything to {pause} add ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , I 've been continuing reading . I went off on a little tangent this past week , um , looking at , uh , {vocalsound} uh , modulation s spectrum stuff , um , and {disfmarker} and learning a bit about what {disfmarker} what , um {disfmarker} what it is , and , uh , the importance of it in speech recognition . And I found some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} some , uh , neat papers , {vocalsound} um , historical papers from , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} Kanedera , Hermansky , and Arai .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And they {disfmarker} they did a lot of experiments where th where , {vocalsound} um , they take speech {vocalsound} and , um , e they modify {vocalsound} the , uh {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they measure the relative importance of having different , um , portions of the modulation spectrum intact .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And they find that the {disfmarker} the spectrum between one and sixteen hertz in the modulation {vocalsound} is , uh {disfmarker} is im important for speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Sure . I mean , this sort of goes back to earlier stuff by Drullman .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and , uh , the {disfmarker} the MSG features were sort of built up {vocalsound} with this notion {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But , I guess , I thought you had brought this up in the context of , um , targets somehow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But i m",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "i it 's not {disfmarker} I mean , they 're sort of not in the same kind of category as , say , a phonetic target or a syllabic target",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I was thinking more like using them as {disfmarker} as the inputs to {disfmarker} to the detectors .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "or a feature or something . Oh , I see . Well , that 's sort of what MSG does .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , we 'll talk more about it later .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We can talk more about it later .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So maybe , {vocalsound} le",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Should we do digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "let 's do digits . Let you {disfmarker} you start .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "L fifty .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
}
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"topic": "Detecting difference between voice and non-voice segments"
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"topic": "Vocal tract length normalization"
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"answer": "The meeting took place close to the finalization of the model, so participants were focused on further experimentation they could conduct. It began with a discussion about how the backend system could be further improved. The team thought that perhaps they could tweak language scaling and insertion penalties to see how the model changed its performance. Then, the team moved into discussing methods for detecting voice segments in their results. Finally, the team spent some time exploring normalization techniques and acoustic events, both of which could potentially improve model performance.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
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{
"answer": "Grad D was focused on filing his taxes. He explained to the team that he had both Canadian and US income, so he had to file taxes in both countries for the preceding year.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on the tax return",
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"answer": "Grad D thought that his tax returns were taking too much time. He had started writing code for his work, however. He was expecting that his taxes would be easier next year, since he would not have to declare his Canadian income.",
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"answer": "The professor initially suggested that not making too much money made taxes easier. He learned that Canada wants taxes from Grad D. He also wanted to know if the same would hold for the coming year.",
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"answer": "Grad A explained that he was trying to collect a set of acoustic events to help distinguish between various linguistic features. The team distinguished between acoustic features and acoustic events. Acoustic events were a feature of the acoustic signal that could be derived from the data.",
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"answer": "PhD F explained the difference between acoustic features and acoustic events. Acoustic features are what linguists talk about whereas acoustic events are measurable properties of the acoustic signal, like its height.",
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"answer": "The professor recalled that the SPAM work had something similar to acoustic events, auditory events. He also informed the team that Professors Kollmeier and Professor Kleinschmidt will be visiting for six months, and they may know more about this topic.",
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{
"content": "Let 's see . Test ? Test ? Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hello ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hello ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Test .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I was saying Hynek 'll be here next week , uh , Wednesday through Friday {disfmarker} uh , through Saturday , and , um , I won't be here Thursday and Friday . But my suggestion is that , uh , at least for this meeting , people should go ahead , uh , cuz Hynek will be here , and , you know , we don't have any Czech accent yet , uh , {vocalsound} as far as I know , so {disfmarker} There we go .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . So other than reading digits , what 's our agenda ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't really have , uh , anything new . Been working on {pause} Meeting Recorder stuff . So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um . Do you think that would be the case for next week also ? Or is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} ? What 's your projection on {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Cuz the one thing {disfmarker} the one thing that seems to me we really should try , if you hadn't tried it before , because it hadn't occurred to me {disfmarker} it was sort of an obvious thing {disfmarker} is , um , adjusting the , uh , sca the scaling and , uh , insertion penalty sorta stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I did play with that , actually , a little bit . Um . What happens is , uh , {vocalsound} when you get to the noisy stuff , you start getting lots of insertions .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And , um , so I 've tried playing around a little bit with , um , the insertion penalties and things like that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um . I mean , it {disfmarker} it didn't make a whole lot of difference . Like for the well - matched case , it seemed like it was pretty good . Um . {vocalsound} I could do more playing with that , though . And , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But you were looking at mel cepstrum .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "and see . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you 're talking about for th {vocalsound} for our features .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , I mean , i it it 's not the direction that you were working with that we were saying what 's the {disfmarker} uh , what 's the best you can do with {disfmarker} with mel cepstrum . But , they raised a very valid point ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "which , I guess {disfmarker} So , to first order {disfmarker} I mean , you have other things you were gonna do , but to first order , I would say that the conclusion is that if you , um , do , uh , some monkeying around with , uh , the exact HTK training and @ @ {comment} with , uh , you know , how many states and so forth , that it {disfmarker} it doesn't particularly improve the performance . In other words , that even though it sounds pretty dumb , just applying the same number of states to everything , more or less , no matter what language , isn't so bad . Right ? And I guess you hadn't gotten to all the experiments you wanted to do with number of Gaussians ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but , um , let 's just {disfmarker} If we had to {disfmarker} if we had to draw a conclusion on the information we have so far , we 'd say something like that . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so the next question to ask , which is I think the one that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that Andreas was dre addressing himself to in the lunch meeting , is , um , we 're not supposed to adjust the back - end , but anybody using the system would .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , if you were just adjusting the back - end , how much better would you do , uh , in noise ? Uh , because the language scaling and insertion penalties and so forth are probably set to be about right for mel cepstrum .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , um , they 're probably not at all set right for these things , particularly these things that look over , uh , larger time windows , in one way or another with {disfmarker} with LDA and KLT and neural nets and {vocalsound} all these things . In the fa past we 've always found that we had to increase the insertion penalty to {disfmarker} to correspond to such things . So , I think that 's , uh , @ @ {comment} that 's kind of a first - order thing that {disfmarker} that we should try .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So for th so the experiment is to , um , run our front - end like normal , with the default , uh , insertion penalties and so forth , and then tweak that a little bit and see how much of a difference it makes",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So by \" our front - end \" I mean take , you know , the Aurora - two s take some version that Stephane has that is , you know , our current best version of something .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "if we were {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . I mean , y don't wanna do this over a hundred different things that they 've tried but , you know , for some version that you say is a good one . You know ? Um . How {disfmarker} how much , uh , does it improve if you actually adjust that ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But it is interesting . You say you {disfmarker} you have for the noisy {disfmarker} How about for the {disfmarker} for the mismatched or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or the {disfmarker} or the medium mismatched conditions ? Have you {disfmarker} ? When you adjusted those numbers for mel cepstrum , did it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember off the top of my head . Um . Yeah . I didn't even write them down . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't remember . I would need to {disfmarker} Well , I did write down , um {disfmarker} So , when I was doing {disfmarker} I just wrote down some numbers for the well - matched case .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Looking at the {disfmarker} I wrote down what the deletions , substitutions , and insertions were , uh , for different numbers of states per phone .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um , but , uh , that {disfmarker} that 's all I wrote down .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So . I {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} Yeah . I would need to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I can do that for next week .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And , um {disfmarker} Yeah . Also , eh , eh , sometimes if you run behind on some of these things , maybe we can get someone else to do it and you can supervise or something . But {disfmarker} but I think it would be {disfmarker} it 'd be good to know that .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK . I just need to get , um , {vocalsound} front - end , uh , stuff from you",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or you point me to some files {pause} that you 've already calculated .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alright .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I probably will have time to do that and time to play a little bit with the silence model .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So maybe I can have that for next week when Hynek 's here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz , I mean , the {disfmarker} the other {disfmarker} That , in fact , might have been part of what , uh , the difference was {disfmarker} at least part of it that {disfmarker} that we were seeing . Remember we were seeing the SRI system was so much better than the tandem system .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Part of it might just be that the SRI system , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they always adjust these things to be sort of optimized ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Is there {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I wonder if there 's anything that we could do {vocalsound} to the front - end that would affect the insertion {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I think you can .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "What could you do ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , um {disfmarker} uh , part of what 's going on , um , is the , uh , the range of values . So , if you have something that has a much smaller range or a much larger range , and taking the appropriate root .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You know ? If something is kind of like the equivalent of a bunch of probabilities multiplied together , you can take a root of some sort . If it 's like seven probabilities together , you can take the seventh root of it or something , or if it 's in the log domain , divide it by seven .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , um , that has a similar effect because it changes the scale of the numbers {disfmarker} of the differences between different candidates from the acoustic model",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to what 's coming from the language model .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So that w Right . So , in effect , that 's changing the value of your insertion penalty .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , it 's more directly like the {disfmarker} the language scaling or the , uh {disfmarker} the model scaling or acoustic scaling ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but you know that those things have kind of a similar effect to the insertion penalty",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "anyway . They 're a slightly different way of {disfmarker} of handling it .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So if we know what the insertion penalty is , then we can get an idea about what range our number should be in ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "so that they {pause} match with that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So that 's why I think that 's another reason other than curiosity as to why i it would in fact be kinda neat to find out if we 're way off . I mean , the other thing is , are aren't we seeing {disfmarker} ? Y y",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sure you 've already looked at this bu in these noisy cases , are {disfmarker} ? We are seeing lots of insertions . Right ? The insertion number is quite high ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I know the VAD takes pre care of part of that ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I 've seen that with the mel cepstrum . I don't {disfmarker} I don't know about {pause} the Aurora front - end , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's much more balanced with , uh {disfmarker} when the front - end is more robust . Yeah . I could look at it {disfmarker} at this . Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Wha - what 's a typical number ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do we {disfmarker} ? Oh , you {disfmarker} oh , you don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't have this in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . I 'm sure it 's more balanced ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it wouldn't surprise me if there 's still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the old systems we used to do , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh , I remember numbers kind of like insertions being half the number of deletions , as being {disfmarker} and both numbers being {disfmarker} tend to be on the small side comparing to {disfmarker} to , uh , substitutions .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , this {disfmarker} the whole problem with insertions was what I think , um , we talked about when the guy from OGI came down {pause} that one time and {disfmarker} and that was when people were saying , well we should have a , uh , uh , voice activity detector {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "that , because all that stuff {comment} that we 're getting thr the silence that 's getting through is causing insertions . So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I 'll bet you there 's still a lot {vocalsound} of insertions .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And it may be less of a critical thing . I mean , the fact that some get by may be less of a critical thing if you , uh , get things in the right range .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , the insertions is {disfmarker} is a symptom . It 's a symptom that there 's something , uh , wrong with the range .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But there 's {disfmarker} uh , your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your substitutions tend to go up as well . So , uh , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh , the most obvious thing is just the insertions , @ @ . But {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} um . If you 're operating in the wrong range {disfmarker} I mean , that 's why just in general , if you {vocalsound} change what these {disfmarker} these penalties and scaling factors are , you reach some point that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a minimum . So . Um . Um . We do have to do well over a range of different conditions , some of which are noisier than others . Um . But , um , I think we may get a better handle on that if we {disfmarker} if we see {disfmarker} Um , I mean we ca it 's if we actually could pick a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a more stable value for the range of these features , it , um , uh , could {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} Even though it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's true that in a real situation you can in fact adjust the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these scaling factors in the back - end , and it 's ar artificial here that we 're not adjusting those , you certainly don't wanna be adjusting those all the time . And if you have a nice front - end that 's in roughly the right range {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I remember after we got our stuff more or less together in the previous systems we built , that we tended to set those scaling factors at kind of a standard level , and we would rarely adjust them again , even though you could get a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "for an evaluation you can get an extra point or something if you tweaked it a little bit . But , once we knew what rou roughly the right operating range was , it was pretty stable , and {disfmarker} Uh , we might just not even be in the right operating range .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So , would the {disfmarker} ? Uh , would a good idea be to try to map it into the same range that you get in the well - matched case ? So , if we computed what the range was in well - matched , and then when we get our noisy conditions out we try to make it have the same range as {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . You don't wanna change it for different conditions . No . No . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} what I 'm saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I wasn't suggesting change it for different conditions . I was just saying that when we pick a range , we {disfmarker} we wanna pick a range that we map our numbers into {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "we should probably pick it based on the range that we get in the well - matched case . Otherwise , I mean , what range are we gonna choose to {disfmarker} to map everything into ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well . It depends how much we wanna do gamesmanship and how much we wanna do {disfmarker} I mean , i if he it {disfmarker} to me , actually , even if you wanna be {disfmarker} play on the gamesmanship side , it can be kinda tricky . So , I mean , what you would do is set the {disfmarker} set the scaling factors , uh , so that you got the best number for this point four five times the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But they might change that {disfmarker} those weightings .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . So {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} I just sorta think we need to explore the space . Just take a look at it a little bit .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we may just find that {disfmarker} that we 're way off .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we 're not . You know ? As for these other things , it may turn out that , uh , {vocalsound} it 's kind of reasonable . But then {disfmarker} I mean , Andreas gave a very reasonable response , and he 's probably not gonna be the only one who 's gonna say this in the future {disfmarker} of , you know , people {disfmarker} people within this tight - knit community who are doing this evaluation {vocalsound} are accepting , uh , more or less , that these are the rules . But , people outside of it who look in at the broader picture are certainly gonna say \" Well , wait a minute . You 're doing all this standing on your head , uh , on the front - end ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "when all you could do is just adjust this in the back - end with one s one knob . \"",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so we have to at least , I think , determine that that 's not true , which would be OK , or determine that it is true , in which case we want to adjust that and then continue with {disfmarker} with what we 're doing . And as you say {disfmarker} as you point out {disfmarker} finding ways to then compensate for that in the front - end {vocalsound} also then becomes a priority for this particular test ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and saying you don't have to do that .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . OK . So , uh {disfmarker} What 's new with you ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . So there 's nothing {pause} new . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , what 's old with you that 's developed ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} OK . What 's old with you that has developed over the last week or two ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Well , so we 've been mainly working on the report and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mainly working on what ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "On the report {pause} of the work that was already done .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . Mm - hmm . That 's all .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "How about that {disfmarker} ? Any - anything new on the thing that , uh , you were working on with the , uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I don't have results yet .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No results ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What was that ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Voicing thing .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "voicing detector .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , what what 's {disfmarker} what 's going on now ? What are you {pause} doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , to try to found , nnn , robust feature for detect between voice and unvoice . And we {disfmarker} w we try to use {vocalsound} the variance {vocalsound} of the es difference between the FFT spectrum and mel filter bank spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , also the {disfmarker} another parameter is {disfmarker} relates with the auto - correlation function .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "R - ze energy and the variance a also of the auto - correlation function .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . So , that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's what you were describing , I guess , a week or two ago .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But we don't have res we don't have result of the AURO for Aurora yet .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "We need to train the neural network",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So you 're training neural networks now ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "No , not yet .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , what {disfmarker} wha {vocalsound} wh wha what what 's going on ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Well , we work in the report , too , because we have a lot of result ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "they are very dispersed , and was necessary to {disfmarker} to look in all the directory to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to give some more structure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yea",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So . B So {disfmarker} Yeah . I if I can summarize , basically what 's going on is that you 're going over a lot of material that you have generated in furious fashion , f generating many results and doing many experiments and trying to pull it together into some coherent form to be able to see wha see what happens .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y yeah . Basically we we 've stopped , uh , experimenting ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I mean . We 're just writing some kind of technical report . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is this a report that 's for Aurora ? Or is it just like a tech report for ICSI ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "For ICSI .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Ah . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just summary of the experiment and the conclusion and something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , my suggestion , though , is that you {disfmarker} you not necessarily finish that . But that you put it all together so that it 's {disfmarker} you 've got {disfmarker} you 've got a clearer structure to it . You know what things are , you have things documented , you 've looked things up that you needed to look up .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that , you know {disfmarker} so that such a thing can be written . And , um {disfmarker} When {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when do you leave again ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in July . First of July .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "First of July ? OK . And that you figure on actually finishing it in {disfmarker} in June . Because , you know , you 're gonna have another bunch of results to fit in there anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And right now it 's kind of important that we actually go forward with experiments .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "It 's not .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , I {disfmarker} I think it 's good to pause , and to gather everything together and make sure it 's in good shape , so that other people can get access to it and so that it can go into a report in June . But I think {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to really work on {disfmarker} on fine - tuning the report n at this point is {disfmarker} is probably bad timing , I {disfmarker} I {pause} think .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Well , we didn't {disfmarker} we just planned to work on it one week on this report , not {disfmarker} no more , anyway . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But you ma you may really wanna add other things later anyway",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There 's more to go ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , so I don't know . There are small things that we started to {disfmarker} to do . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Are you discovering anything , uh , that makes you scratch your head as you write this report , like why did we do that , or why didn't we do this ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And {disfmarker} Actually , there were some tables that were also with partial results . We just noticed that , wh while gathering the result that for some conditions we didn't have everything .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But anyway . Um . Yeah , yeah . We have , yeah , extracted actually the noises from {pause} the SpeechDat - Car . And so , we can train neural network with speech and these noises . Um . It 's difficult to say what it will give , because when we look at the Aurora {disfmarker} the TI - digits experiments , um , they have these three conditions that have different noises , and apparently this system perform as well on the seen noises {disfmarker} on the unseen noises and on the seen noises . But , I think this is something we have to try anyway . So {disfmarker} adding the noises from {disfmarker} from the SpeechDat - Car . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's , uh {disfmarker} that 's permitted ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well , OGI does {disfmarker} did that . Um . At some point they did that for {disfmarker} for the voice activity detector .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , for a v VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Could you say it again ? What {disfmarker} what exactly did they do ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They used some parts of the , um , Italian database to train the voice activity detector , I think . It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess the thing is {disfmarker} Yeah . I guess that 's a matter of interpretation . The rules as I understand it , is that in principle the Italian and the Spanish and the English {disfmarker} no , Italian and the Finnish and the English ? {disfmarker} were development data",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And Spanish , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "on which you could adjust things . And the {disfmarker} and the German and Danish were the evaluation data .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then when they finally actually evaluated things they used everything .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's right . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Uh , and it is true that the performance , uh , on the German was {disfmarker} I mean , even though the improvement wasn't so good , the pre the raw performance was really pretty good .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} And , uh , it {disfmarker} it doesn't appear that there 's strong evidence that even though things were somewhat tuned on those three or four languages , that {disfmarker} that going to a different language really hurt you . And the noises were not exactly the same . Right ? Because it was taken from a different , uh {disfmarker} I mean they were different drives .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Different cars . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it was {disfmarker} it was actual different cars and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So . Um , it 's somewhat tuned . It 's tuned more than , you know , a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You 'd really like to have something that needed no particular noise at all , maybe just some white noise or something like that a at most .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But that 's not really what this contest is . So . Um , I guess it 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's something I 'd like to understand before we actually use something from it ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "because it would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "it 's probably something that , mmm , the {disfmarker} you know , the , uh , experiment designers didn't really think about , because I think most people aren't doing trained systems , or , you know , uh , systems that are like ours , where you actually use the data to build models . I mean , they just {pause} doing signal - processing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's true ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "except that , uh , that 's what we used in Aurora one , and then they designed the things for Aurora - two knowing that we were doing that .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And they didn't forbid us {disfmarker} right ? {disfmarker} to build models on the data ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . But , I think {disfmarker} I think that it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it probably would be the case that if , say , we trained on Italian , uh , data and then , uh , we tested on Danish data and it did terribly , uh , that {disfmarker} that it would look bad . And I think someone would notice and would say \" Well , look . This is not generalizing . \" I would hope tha I would hope they would .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . But , uh , it 's true . You know , maybe there 's parameters that other people have used {disfmarker} you know , th that they have tuned in some way for other things . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} We should {disfmarker} we should {disfmarker} Maybe {disfmarker} that 's maybe a topic {disfmarker} Especially if you talk with him when I 'm not here , that 's a topic you should discuss with Hynek",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "to , you know , double check it 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Do we know anything about {pause} the speakers for each of the , uh , training utterances ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean ? We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you have speaker information ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Social security number",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "That would be good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Like , we have {pause} male , female ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Bank PIN .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "at least .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just male f female ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What kind of information do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I was thinking about things like , you know , gender , uh {disfmarker} you know , gender - specific nets and , uh , vocal tract length normalization .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Things like that . I d I don't {disfmarker} I didn't know what information we have about the speakers that we could try to take advantage of .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Uh . Right . I mean , again , i if you had the whole system you were optimizing , that would be easy to see . But if you 're {vocalsound} supposedly just using a fixed back - end and you 're just coming up with a feature vector , w w I 'm not sure {disfmarker} I mean , having the two nets {disfmarker} Suppose you detected that it was male , it was female {disfmarker} you come up with different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you could put them both in as separate streams or something . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I was just wondering if there was other information we could exploit .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , it 's an interesting thought . Maybe having something along the {disfmarker} I mean , you can't really do vocal tract normalization . But something that had some of that effect",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "being applied to the data in some way .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Do you have something simple in mind for {disfmarker} I mean , vocal tract length normalization ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh no . I hadn't {disfmarker} I hadn't thought {disfmarker} it was {disfmarker} thought too much about it , really . It just {disfmarker} something that popped into my head just now . And so I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , you could maybe use the ideas {disfmarker} a similar {pause} idea to what they do in vocal tract length normalization . You know , you have some sort of a , uh , general speech model , you know , maybe just a mixture of Gaussians that you evaluate every utterance against , and then you see where each , you know , utterance {disfmarker} like , the likelihood of each utterance . You divide the {disfmarker} the range of the likelihoods up into discrete bins and then each bin 's got some knob {disfmarker} uh , setting .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But just listen to yourself . I mean , that uh really doesn't sound like a real - time thing with less than two hundred milliseconds , uh , latency that {disfmarker} and where you 're not adjusting the statistical engine at all .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You know , that just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Could be expensive .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . Well not just expensive . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't see how you could possibly do it . You can't look at the whole utterance and do anything . You know , you can only {disfmarker} Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Each frame comes in and it 's gotta go out the other end .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So whatever it was , it would have to be uh sort of on a per frame basis .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , you can do , um {disfmarker} Fairly quickly you can do male female {disfmarker} f male female stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But as far as , I mean {disfmarker} Like I thought BBN did a thing with , uh , uh , vocal tract normalization a ways back . Maybe other people did too . With {disfmarker} with , uh , uh , l trying to identify third formant {disfmarker} average third formant {disfmarker} {vocalsound} using that as an indicator of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . You know , third formant {disfmarker} I if you imagine that to first order what happens with , uh , changing vocal tract is that , uh , the formants get moved out by some proportion {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , if you had a first formant that was one hundred hertz before , if the fifty {disfmarker} if the vocal tract is fifty percent shorter , then it would be out at seven fifty hertz , and so on . So , that 's a move of two hundred fifty hertz . Whereas the third formant which might have started off at twenty - five hundred hertz , you know , might be out to thirty - seven fifty , you know so it 's at {disfmarker} So , although , you frequently get less distinct higher formants , it 's still {disfmarker} third formant 's kind of a reasonable compromise , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , I think , eh , if I recall correctly , they did something like that . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Um , that doesn't work for just having one frame or something .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You know ? That 's more like looking at third formant over {disfmarker} over a turn or something like that ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . So . But on the other hand , male female is a {disfmarker} is a {disfmarker} is a much simpler categorization than figuring out a {disfmarker} a factor to , uh , squish or expand the {disfmarker} the spectrum .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , um . Y you could imagine that {disfmarker} I mean , just like we 're saying voiced - unvoiced is good to know {disfmarker} uh , male female is good to know also . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , you 'd have to figure out a way to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to , uh , incorporate it on the fly . Uh , I mean , I guess , as you say , one thing you could do is simply , uh , have the {disfmarker} the male and female output vectors {disfmarker} you know , tr nets trained only on males and n trained only on females or {disfmarker} or , uh , you know . But {disfmarker} Um . I don't know if that would really help , because you already have males and females and it 's mm - hmm putting into one net . So is it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Is it balanced , um , in terms of gender {disfmarker} the data ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Almost , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . OK . Y you 're {disfmarker} you were saying before {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah . So , this noise , um {disfmarker} Yeah . The MSG {disfmarker} Um . Mmm . There is something {disfmarker} perhaps , I could spend some days to look at this thing , cuz it seems that when we train networks on {disfmarker} let 's say , on TIMIT with MSG features , they {disfmarker} they look as good as networks trained on PLP . But , um , when they are used on {disfmarker} on the SpeechDat - Car data , it 's not the case {disfmarker} oh , well . The MSG features are much worse , and so maybe they 're , um , less {disfmarker} more sensitive to different recording conditions , or {disfmarker} Shou",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Shouldn't be . They should be less so .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "R right ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Wh - ? But let me ask you this . What {disfmarker} what 's the , um {disfmarker} ? Do you kno recall if the insertions were {disfmarker} were higher with MSG ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I cannot tell . But {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the error rate is higher . So , I don",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But you should always look at insertions , deletions , and substitutions .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so , uh {disfmarker} MSG is very , very dif Eh , PLP is very much like mel cepstrum . MSG is very different from both of them .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , if it 's very different , then this is the sort of thing {disfmarker} I mean I 'm really glad Andreas brought this point up . I {pause} sort of had forgotten to discuss it . Um . You always have to look at how this {disfmarker} uh , these adjustments , uh , affect things . And even though we 're not allowed to do that , again we maybe could reflect that back to our use of the features .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So if it {disfmarker} if in fact , uh {disfmarker} The problem might be that the range of the MSG features is quite different than the range of the PLP or mel cepstrum .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And you might wanna change that .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . But , it 's d it 's after {disfmarker} Well , it 's tandem features , so {disfmarker} Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We {disfmarker} we have estimation of post posteriors with PLP and with MSG as input ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "so I don Well . I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That means they 're between zero and one .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But i it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it doesn't necessarily {disfmarker} You know , they could be , um {disfmarker} Do - doesn't tell you what the variance of the things is .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Cuz if you 're taking the log of these things , it could be , uh {disfmarker} Knowing what the sum of the probabilities are , doesn't tell you what the sum of the logs are .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we should look at the likelihood , or {disfmarker} or what ? Or {disfmarker} well , at the log , perhaps , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or what {disfmarker} you know , what you 're uh {disfmarker} the thing you 're actually looking at .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} the values that are {disfmarker} are actually being fed into HTK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What do they look like ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "No And so th the , uh {disfmarker} for the tandem system , the values that come out of the net don't go through the sigmoid . Right ? They 're sort of the pre - nonlinearity values ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So they 're {pause} kinda like log probabilities is what I was saying .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And those {disfmarker} OK . And tho that 's what goes {pause} into {pause} HTK ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , almost . But then you actually do a KLT on them .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . They aren't normalized after that , are they ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . No , they are not {disfmarker} no .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . OK . So , um . Right . So the question is {disfmarker} Yeah . Whatever they are at that point , um , are they something for which taking a square root or cube root or fourth root or something like that is {disfmarker} is gonna be a good or a bad thing ? So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and that 's something that nothing {disfmarker} nothing else after that is gonna {disfmarker} Uh , things are gonna scale it {disfmarker} Uh , you know , subtract things from it , scale it from it , but nothing will have that same effect . Um . So . Um . Anyway , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz if {disfmarker} if the log probs that are coming out of the MSG are really big , the standard {pause} insertion penalty is gonna have very little effect",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , the {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "compared to , you know , a smaller set of log probs .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No . Again you don't really {pause} look at that . It 's something {disfmarker} that , and then it 's going through this transformation that 's probably pretty close to {disfmarker} It 's , eh , whatever the KLT is doing . But it 's probably pretty close to what a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a discrete cosine transformation is doing .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But still it 's {disfmarker} it 's not gonna probably radically change the scale of things . I would think . And , uh {disfmarker} Yeah . It may be entirely off and {disfmarker} and it may be {disfmarker} at the very least it may be quite different for MSG than it is for mel cepstrum or PLP . So that would be {disfmarker} So the first thing I 'd look at without adjusting anything would just be to go back to the experiment and look at the , uh , substitutions , insertions , and deletions . And if the {disfmarker} if the , uh {disfmarker} i if there 's a fairly large effect of the difference , say , uh , uh , the r ratio between insertions and deletions for the two cases then that would be , uh , an indicator that it might {disfmarker} might be in that direction .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah . But ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "my {disfmarker} my point was more that it {disfmarker} it works sometimes and {disfmarker} but sometimes it doesn't work .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And it works on TI - digits and on SpeechDat - Car it doesn't work , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , some problems are harder than others ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} And , uh , sometimes , you know , there 's enough evidence for something to work and then it 's harder , it breaks . You know ,",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so it 's {disfmarker} But it {disfmarker} but , um , i it {disfmarker} it could be that when you say it works maybe we could be doing much better , even in TI - digits . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , there is also the spectral subtraction , which , um {disfmarker} I think maybe we should , uh , try to integrate it in {disfmarker} in our system .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "But ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "O",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I think that would involve to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to mmm {vocalsound} use a big {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} al already a big bunch of the system of Ericsson . Because he has spectral subtraction , then it 's followed by , {vocalsound} um , other kind of processing that 's {disfmarker} are dependent on the {disfmarker} uh , if it 's speech or noi or silence .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And there is this kind of spectral flattening after {disfmarker} if it 's silence , and {disfmarker} and s I {disfmarker} I think it 's important , um , {vocalsound} to reduce this musical noise and this {disfmarker} this increase of variance during silence portions . So . Well . This was in this would involve to take almost everything from {disfmarker} from the {disfmarker} this proposal and {disfmarker} and then just add some kind of on - line normalization in {disfmarker} in the neural network . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , this 'll be , I think , something for discussion with Hynek next week .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Right . So . How are , uh , uh {disfmarker} how are things going with what you 're doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Well , um , I took a lot of time just getting my taxes out of the way {disfmarker} multi - national taxes . So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm starting to write code now for my work but I don't have any results yet . Um , i it would be good for me to talk to Hynek , I think , when he 's here .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Do you know what his schedule will be like ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , he 'll be around for three days .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , y",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we 'll have a lot of time .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker} Um . I 'll , uh {disfmarker} You know , he 's {disfmarker} he 'll {disfmarker} he 'll be talking with everybody in this room So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "But you said you won't {disfmarker} you won't be here next Thursday ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Not Thursday and Friday . Yeah . Cuz I will be at faculty retreat .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . I 'll try to {vocalsound} connect with him and people as {disfmarker} as I can on {disfmarker} on Wednesday . But {disfmarker} Um . Oh , how 'd taxes go ? Taxes go OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , good . Yeah . Yeah . That 's just {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's one of the big advantages of not making much money is {vocalsound} the taxes are easier . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Unless you 're getting money in two countries .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think you are . Aren't you ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "They both want their cut .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Huh . Canada w Canada wants a cut ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Have to do {disfmarker} So you {disfmarker} you have to do two returns ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . W uh , for two thousand I did . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . Yeah . For tw That 's right , ju",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "But not for this next year ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Two thousand . Yeah . Probably not this next year , I guess .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll still have a bit of Canadian income but it 'll be less complicated because I will not be a {disfmarker} considered a resident of Canada anymore , so I won't have to declare my American income on my Canadian return .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright . Uh . Barry , do you wanna {pause} say something about your stuff here ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um . Right . I {pause} just , um , continuing looking at , uh , ph uh , phonetic events , and , uh , this Tuesday gonna be , uh , meeting with John Ohala with Chuck to talk some more about these , uh , ph um , phonetic events . Um , came up with , uh , a plan of attack , uh , gonna execute , and um {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} that 's pretty much it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well . No Um , why don't you say something about what it is ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you {disfmarker} oh , you want {disfmarker} you want details . Hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 're all gathered here together . I thought we 'd , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I was hoping I could wave my hands . Um . So , um . So , once wa I {disfmarker} I was thinking getting {disfmarker} getting us a set of acoustic events to {disfmarker} um , to be able to distinguish between , uh , phones and words and stuff . And {vocalsound} um , once we {disfmarker} we would figure out a set of these events that can be , you know , um , hand - labeled or {disfmarker} or derived , uh , from h the hand - labeled phone targets . Um , we could take these events and , um , {vocalsound} do some cheating experiments , um , where we feed , um , these events into {pause} an SRI system , um , eh , and evaluate its performance on a Switchboard task . Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey , Barry ? Can you give an example of an event ?",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure . Um , I {disfmarker} I can give you an example of {pause} twenty - odd events . Um {disfmarker} So , he In this paper , um , it 's talking about phoneme recognition using acoustic events . So , things like frication or , uh , nasality .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Whose paper is it ?",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um , this is a paper by Hubener and Cardson {pause} Benson {disfmarker} Bernds - Berndsen .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Huh . From , uh , University of Hamburg and Bielefeld .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think the {disfmarker} just to expand a little bit on the idea of acoustic event .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's , um {disfmarker} in my mind , anyways , there 's a difference between , um , acoustic features and acoustic events . And I think of acoustic features as being , um , things that linguists talk about , like , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , stuff that 's not based on data .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Stuff that 's not based on data , necessarily .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , OK . Yeah . Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Right . That 's not based on , you know , acoustic data . So they talk about features for phones , like , uh , its height ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "its tenseness , laxness , things like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "which may or may not be all that easy to measure in the acoustic signal . Versus an acoustic event , which is just {nonvocalsound} some {nonvocalsound} something in the acoustic signal {nonvocalsound} that is fairly easy to measure . Um . So it 's , um {disfmarker} it 's a little different , in {disfmarker} at least in my mind .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I mean , when we did the SPAM work {disfmarker} I mean , there we had {disfmarker} we had this notion of an , uh , auditory {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} auditory event .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Good . That 's great .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , um , called them \" avents \" , uh , uh , uh , with an A at the front .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . And the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the idea was something that occurred that is important to a bunch of neurons somewhere . So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um . A sudden change or a relatively rapid change in some spectral characteristic will {disfmarker} will do sort of this . I mean , there 's certainly a bunch of {disfmarker} a bunch of places where you know that neurons are gonna fire because something novel has happened . That was {disfmarker} that was the main thing that we were focusing on there . But there 's certainly other things beyond what we talked about there that aren't just sort of rapid changes , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "It 's kinda like the difference between top - down and bottom - up .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "I think of the acoustic {disfmarker} you know , phonetic features as being top - down . You know , you look at the phone and you say this phone is supposed to be {disfmarker} you know , have this feature , this feature , and this feature . Whether tha those features show up in the acoustic signal is sort of irrelevant . Whereas , an acoustic event goes the other way . Here 's the signal . Here 's some event .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} ? And then that {disfmarker} you know , that may map to this phone sometimes , and sometimes it may not . It just depen maybe depends on the context , things like that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "And so it 's sort of a different way of looking .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um {disfmarker} Using these {disfmarker} these events , um , you know , we can {disfmarker} we can perform these {disfmarker} these , uh , cheating experiments . See how {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how good they are , um , in , um {disfmarker} in terms of phoneme recognition or word recognition . And , um {disfmarker} and then from that point on , I would , uh , s design robust event detectors , um , in a similar , um , wa spirit that Saul has done w uh , with his graphical models , and this {disfmarker} this probabilistic AND - OR model that he uses . Um , eh , try to extend it to , um {disfmarker} to account for other {disfmarker} other phenomena like , um , CMR co - modulation release . And , um {disfmarker} and maybe also investigate ways to {disfmarker} to modify the structure of these models , um , in a data - driven way , uh , similar to the way that , uh , Jeff {disfmarker} Jeff , uh , Bilmes did his work . Um , and while I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm doing these , um , event detectors , you know , I can ma mea measure my progress by comparing , um , the error rates in clean and noisy conditions to something like , uh , neural nets . Um , and {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so , once we have these {disfmarker} these , uh , event detectors , um , we could put them together and {disfmarker} and feed the outputs of the event detectors into {disfmarker} into the SRI , um , HMM {disfmarker} HMM system , and , um {disfmarker} and test it on {disfmarker} on Switchboard or , um , maybe even Aurora stuff . And , that 's pretty much the {disfmarker} the big picture of {disfmarker} of um , the plan .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "By the way , um , there 's , uh , a couple people who are gonna be here {disfmarker} I forget if I already told you this , but , a couple people who are gonna be here for six months .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} uh , there 's a Professor Kollmeier , uh , from Germany who 's , uh , uh , quite big in the , uh , hearing - aid signal - processing area and , um , Michael Kleinschmidt , who 's worked with him , who also looks at {vocalsound} auditory properties inspired by various , uh , brain function things .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , um , I think they 'll be interesting to talk to , in this sort of issue as these detectors are {disfmarker} are , uh , developing .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So , he looks at interesting {disfmarker} interesting things in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} different ways of looking at spectra in order to {disfmarker} to get various speech properties out . So .",
"speaker": "Professor E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , short meeting , but that 's OK . And , uh , we might as well do our digits . And like I say , I {disfmarker} I encourage you to go ahead and meet , uh , next week with , uh , uh , Hynek . Alright , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll start . It 's , uh , one thirty - five . seventeen OK",
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"answer": "The meeting focused on the Aurora project. The Professor began with some updates on how certain decisions made by those leading the project did not make sense. There was some confusion and debate about how to move forward. The team then moved onto a discussion about measuring the effect of a given feature on the model. The professor outlined the specific methodology. At the time, the team was focused on testing for C-zero and C-one only, but they decided to expand their testing. Finally, the professor told some stories to explain future directions and the team had a brief discussion about their hardware.",
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"answer": "The team had gotten a fifty percent improvement on the model. This was significant but left room for further work. They aimed to get a sixty percent improvement from the initial baseline .",
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"answer": "The professor explained that Guenter Hirsch had left Ericsson and that Ericsson may withdraw from Aurora altogether. For the past two to three years, he was happily employed at a technical college not too far from Aachen.",
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"content": "Is it starting now ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} from {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hello ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Whatever we say from now on , it can be held against us , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's your right to remain silent .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the problem is that I actually don't know how th these held meetings are held , if they are very informal and sort of just people are say what 's going on",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's usually what we do .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We just sorta go around and people say what 's going on , what 's the latest uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . So I guess that what may be a {disfmarker} reasonable is if I uh first make a report on what 's happening in Aurora in general , at least what from my perspective .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That would be great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and uh so , I {disfmarker} I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh o",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which was kind of interesting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors . Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was like wonderful and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It seemed like there were still some issues ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ? that they were trying to decide ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There is a plenty of {disfmarker} there 're plenty of issues .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Like the voice activity detector ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well and what happened was that they realized that if two leading proposals , which was French Telecom Alcatel , and us both had uh voice activity detector . And I said \" well big surprise , I mean we could have told you that {pause} n n n four months ago , except we didn't because nobody else was bringing it up \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Obviously French Telecom didn't volunteer this information either , cuz we were working on {disfmarker} mainly on voice activity detector for past uh several months",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because that 's buying us the most uh thing . And everybody said \" Well but this is not fair . We didn't know that . \" And of course uh the {disfmarker} it 's not working on features really . And be I agreed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I said \" well yeah , you are absolutely right , I mean if I wish that you provided better end point at speech because uh {disfmarker} or at least that if we could modify the recognizer , uh to account for these long silences , because otherwise uh that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} th that wasn't a correct thing . \" And so then ev ev everybody else says \" well we should {disfmarker} we need to do a new eval evaluation without voice activity detector , or we have to do something about it \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And in principle I {disfmarker} uh I {disfmarker} we agreed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We said uh \" yeah \" . Because uh {disfmarker} but in that case , uh we would like to change the uh {disfmarker} the algorithm because uh if we are working on different data , we probably will use a different set of tricks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But unfortunately nobody ever officially can somehow acknowledge that this can be done , because French Telecom was saying \" no , no , no , now everybody has access to our code , so everybody is going to copy what we did . \" Yeah well our argument was everybody ha has access to our code , and everybody always had access to our code . We never uh {disfmarker} uh denied that . We thought that people are honest , that if you copy something and if it is protected {disfmarker} protected by patent then you negotiate , or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? I mean , if you find our technique useful , we are very happy .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} And French Telecom was saying \" no , no , no ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "there is a lot of little tricks which uh sort of uh cannot be protected and you guys will take them , \" which probably is also true . I mean , you know , it might be that people will take uh uh th the algorithms apart and use the blocks from that . But I somehow think that it wouldn't be so bad , as long as people are happy abou uh uh uh honest about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I think they have to be honest in the long run , because winning proposal again {disfmarker} uh what will be available th is {disfmarker} will be a code . So the uh {disfmarker} the people can go to code and say \" well listen this is what you stole from me \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "\" so let 's deal with that \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I don't see the problem . The biggest problem of course is that f that Alcatel French Telecom cl claims \" well we fulfilled the conditions . We are the best . Uh . We are the standard . \" And e and other people don't feel that , because they {disfmarker} so they now decided that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} the whole thing will be done on well - endpointed data , essentially that somebody will endpoint the data based on clean speech , because most of this the SpeechDat - Car has the also close speaking mike and endpoints will be provided .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh we will run again {disfmarker} still not clear if we are going to run the {disfmarker} if we are allowed to run uh uh new algorithms , but I assume so . Because uh we would fight for that , really . uh but {disfmarker} since uh u u n u {disfmarker} at least our experience is that only endpointing a {disfmarker} a mel cepstrum gets uh {disfmarker} gets you twenty - one percent improvement overall and twenty - seven improvement on SpeechDat - Car",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "then obvious the database {disfmarker} uh I mean the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} uh the baseline will go up . And nobody can then achieve fifty percent improvement .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So they agreed that uh there will be a twenty - five percent improvement required on {disfmarker} on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But wait a minute , I thought the endpointing really only helped in the noisy cases .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you have the same prob I mean MFCC basically has an enormous number of uh insertions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so , so now they want to say \" we {disfmarker} we will require fifty percent improvement only for well matched condition , and only twenty - five percent for the serial cases . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker} and they almost agreed on that except that it wasn't a hundred percent agreed . And so last time uh during the meeting , I just uh brought up the issue , I said \" well you know uh quite frankly I 'm surprised how lightly you are making these decisions because this is a major decision . For two years we are fighting for fifty percent improvement and suddenly you are saying \" oh no we {disfmarker} we will do something less \" , but maybe we should discuss that . And everybody said \" oh we discussed that and you were not a mee there \" and I said \" well a lot of other people were not there because not everybody participates at these teleconferencing c things . \" Then they said \" oh no no no because uh everybody is invited . \" However , there is only ten or fifteen lines , so people can't even con you know participate . So eh they agreed , and so they said \" OK , we will discuss that . \" Immediately Nokia uh raised the question and they said \" oh yeah we agree this is not good to to uh dissolve the uh uh {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker} the criterion . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So now officially , Nokia is uh uh complaining and said they {disfmarker} they are looking for support , uh I think QualComm is uh saying , too \" we shouldn't abandon the fifty percent yet . We should at least try once again , one more round . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this is where we are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I hope that {disfmarker} I hope that this is going to be a adopted .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Next Wednesday we are going to have uh another uh teleconferencing call , so we 'll see what uh {disfmarker} where it goes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what about the issue of um the weights on the {disfmarker} for the different systems , the well - matched , and medium - mismatched and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's what {disfmarker} that 's a g very good uh point , because David says \" well you know we ca we can manipulate this number by choosing the right weights anyways . \" So while you are right but {disfmarker} uh you know but",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , if of course if you put a zero {disfmarker} uh weight zero on a mismatched condition , or highly mismatched then {disfmarker} then you are done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But weights were also deter already decided uh half a year ago . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And they 're the {disfmarker} staying the same ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , of course people will not like it . Now {disfmarker} What is happening now is that I th I think that people try to match the criterion to solution .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They have solution . Now they want to {vocalsound} make sure their criterion is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I think that this is not the right way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh it may be that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} Eventually it may ha may ha it may have to happen . But it 's should happen at a point where everybody feels comfortable that we did all what we could .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I don't think we did .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Basically , I think that {disfmarker} that this test was a little bit bogus because of the data and uh essentially {pause} there were these arbitrary decisions made , and {disfmarker} and everything . So , so {disfmarker} so this is {disfmarker} so this is where it is . So what we are doing at OGI now is uh uh uh working basically on our parts which we I think a little bit neglected , like noise separation . Uh so we are looking in ways is {disfmarker} in uh which {disfmarker} uh with which we can provide better initial estimate of the mel spectrum basically , which would be a l uh , f more robust to noise , and so far not much uh success .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We tried uh things which uh a long time ago Bill Byrne suggested , instead of using Fourier spectrum , from Fourier transform , use the spectrum from LPC model . Their argument there was the LPC model fits the peaks of the spectrum , so it may be m naturally more robust in noise . And I thought \" well , that makes sense , \" but so far we can't get much {disfmarker} much out of it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh we may try some standard techniques like spectral subtraction and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You haven't tried that yet ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not much . Or even I was thinking about uh looking back into these totally ad - hoc techniques",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "like for instance uh Dennis Klatt was suggesting uh the one way to uh deal with noisy speech is to add noise to everything .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . {comment} I mean , uh uh add moderate amount of noise to all data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that makes uh th any additive noise less addi less a a effective ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? Because you already uh had the noise uh in a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it was working at the time . It was kind of like one of these things , you know , but if you think about it , it 's actually pretty ingenious . So well , you know , just take a {disfmarker} take a spectrum and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and add of the constant , C , to every {disfmarker} every value .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well you 're {disfmarker} you 're basically y Yeah . So you 're making all your training data more uniform .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . And if {disfmarker} if then {disfmarker} if this data becomes noisy , it b it becomes eff effectively becomes less noisy basically .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But of course you cannot add too much noise because then you 'll s then you 're clean recognition goes down , but I mean it 's yet to be seen how much , it 's a very simple technique .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes indeed it 's a very simple technique , you just take your spectrum and {disfmarker} and use whatever is coming from FFT , {pause} add constant ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know ? on {disfmarker} onto power spectrum . That {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} Or the other thing is of course if you have a spectrum , what you can s start doing , you can leave {disfmarker} start leaving out the p the parts which are uh uh low in energy and then perhaps uh one could try to find a {disfmarker} a all - pole model to such a spectrum . Because a all - pole model will still try to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to put the {disfmarker} the continuation basically of the {disfmarker} of the model into these parts where the issue set to zero . That 's what we want to try . I have a visitor from Brno . He 's a {disfmarker} kind of like young faculty . pretty hard - working so he {disfmarker} so he 's {disfmarker} so he 's looking into that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then most of the effort is uh now also aimed at this e e TRAP recognition . This uh {disfmarker} this is this recognition from temporal patterns .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ! What is that ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah , you don't know about TRAPS !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The TRAPS sound familiar , I {disfmarker} but I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean tha This is familiar like sort of because we gave you the name , but , what it is , is that normally what you do is that you recognize uh speech based on a shortened spectrum .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Essentially L P - LPC , mel cepstrum , uh , everything starts with a spectral slice . Uh so if you s So , given the spectrogram you essentially are sliding {disfmarker} sliding the spectrogram along the uh f frequency axis",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and you keep shifting this thing , and you have a spectrogram .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you can say \" well you can also take the time trajectory of the energy at a given frequency \" , and what you get is then , that you get a p {pause} vector .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And this vector can be a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} s assigned to s some phoneme . Namely you can say i it {disfmarker} I will {disfmarker} I will say that this vector will eh {disfmarker} will {disfmarker} will describe the phoneme which is in the center of the vector . And you can try to classify based on that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And you {disfmarker} so you classi so it 's a very different vector , very different properties , we don't know much about it , but the truth is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . But you have many of those vectors per phoneme ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , so you get many decisions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ? Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then you can start dec thinking about how to combine these decisions . Exactly , that 's what {disfmarker} yeah , that 's what it is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because if you run this uh recognition , you get {disfmarker} you still get about twenty percent error {disfmarker} uh twenty percent correct . You know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "on {disfmarker} on like for the frame by frame basis , so {pause} uh {disfmarker} uh so it 's much better than chance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How wide are the uh frequency bands ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's another thing . Well c currently we start {disfmarker} I mean we start always with critical band spectrum . For various reasons . But uh the latest uh observation uh is that you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you are {disfmarker} you can get quite a big advantage of using two critical bands at the same time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Are they adjacent , or are they s",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Adjacent , adjacent .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And the reasons {disfmarker} there are some reasons for that . Because there are some reasons I can {disfmarker} I could talk about , will have to tell you about things like masking experiments which uh uh uh uh yield critical bands , and also experiments with release of masking , which actually tell you that something is happening across critical bands , across bands . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well how do you {disfmarker} how do you uh convert this uh energy over time in a particular frequency band into a vector of numbers ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's uh uh uh I mean time T - zero is one number , {pause} time t",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but what 's the number ? Is it just the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's a spectral energy , logarithmic spectral energy ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it 's just the amount of energy in that band from f in that time interval .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yes , yes . Yes , yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what I 'm saying then , so this is a {disfmarker} this is a starting vector . It 's just like shortened f {pause} spectrum , or something . But now we are trying to understand what this vector actually represents ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "for instance a question is like \" how correlated are the elements of this vector ? \" Turns out they are quite correlated , because I mean , especially the neighboring ones , right ? They {disfmarker} they represent the same {disfmarker} almost the same configuration of the vocal tract .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So there 's a very high correlation . So the classifiers which use the diagonal covariance matrix don't like it . So we 're thinking about de - correlating them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then the question is uh \" can you describe elements of this vector by Gaussian distributions \" , or to what extent ? Because uh {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so on and so on . So we are learning quite a lot about that . And then another issue is how many vectors we should be using ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean the {disfmarker} so the minimum is one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I mean is the {disfmarker} is the critical band the right uh uh dimension ? So we somehow made arbitrary decision , \" yes \" . Then {disfmarker} but then now we are thinking a lot how to {disfmarker} uh how to use at least the neighboring band because that seems to be happening {disfmarker} This I somehow start to believe that 's what 's happening in recognition . Cuz a lot of experiments point to the fact that people can split the signal into critical bands , but then oh uh uh so you can {disfmarker} you are quite capable of processing a signal in uh uh independently in individual critical bands . That 's what masking experiments tell you . But at the same time you most likely pay attention to at least neighboring bands when you are making any decisions , you compare what 's happening in {disfmarker} in this band to what 's happening to the band {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} to the neighboring bands . And that 's how you make uh decisions . That 's why the articulatory events , which uh F F Fletcher talks about , they are about two critical bands . You need at least two , basically . You need some relative , relative relation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Absolute number doesn't tell you the right thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You need to {disfmarker} you need to compare it to something else , what 's happening but it 's what 's happening in the {disfmarker} in the close neighborhood . So if you are making decision what 's happening at one kilohertz , you want to know what 's happening at nine hundred hertz and it {disfmarker} and maybe at eleven hundred hertz , but you don't much care what 's happening at three kilohertz .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's really w It 's sort of like saying that what 's happening at one kilohertz depends on what 's happening around it . It 's sort of relative to it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "To some extent , it {disfmarker} that is also true . Yeah . But it 's {disfmarker} but for {disfmarker} but for instance , {vocalsound} th uh {vocalsound} uh what {disfmarker} what uh humans are very much capable of doing is that if th if they are exactly the same thing happening in two neighboring critical bands , recognition can discard it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is what 's happening {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hey !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey ! OK , we need us another {disfmarker} another voice here .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hey Stephane .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think so . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Sure . Go ahead .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so so {disfmarker} so for instance if you d if you a if you add the noise that normally masks {disfmarker} masks the uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the signal right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and you can show that in {disfmarker} that if the {disfmarker} if you add the noise outside the critical band , that doesn't affect the {disfmarker} the decisions you 're making about a signal within a critical band .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Unless this noise is modulated . If the noise is modulated , with the same modulation frequency as the noise in a critical band , the amount of masking is less . The moment you {disfmarker} moment you provide the noise in n neighboring critical bands .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So the s m masking curve , normally it looks like sort of {disfmarker} I start from {disfmarker} from here , so you {disfmarker} {comment} you have uh no noise then you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you are expanding the critical band , so the amount of maching is increasing . And when you e hit a certain point , which is a critical band , then the amount of masking is the same .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's the famous experiment of Fletcher , a long time ago . Like that 's where people started thinking \" wow this is interesting ! \" So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , if you {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} if you modulate the noise , the masking goes up and the moment you start hitting the {disfmarker} another critical band , the masking goes down . So essentially {disfmarker} essentially that 's a very clear indication that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that {pause} cognition can take uh uh into consideration what 's happening in the neighboring bands . But if you go too far in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} if the noise is very broad , you are not increasing much more , so {disfmarker} so if you {disfmarker} if you are far away from the signal {disfmarker} uh from the signal f uh the frequency at which the signal is , then the m even the {disfmarker} when the noise is co - modulated it {disfmarker} it 's not helping you much .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So . So things like this we are kind of playing with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with the hope that perhaps we could eventually u use this in a {disfmarker} in a real recognizer .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Like uh partially of course we promised to do this under the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the Aurora uh program .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But you probably won't have anything before the next time we have to evaluate ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Probably not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe , most likely we will not have anything which c would comply with the rules .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "like because uh uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Latency and things .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "latency currently chops the require uh significant uh latency amount of processing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because uh we don't know any better , yet , than to use the neural net classifiers , uh and uh {disfmarker} and uh TRAPS .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Though the {disfmarker} the work which uh everybody is looking at now aims at s trying to find out what to do with these vectors , so that a g simple Gaussian classifier would be happier with it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or to what extent a Gaussian classifier should be unhappy uh that , and how to Gaussian - ize the vectors , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this is uh what 's happening . Then Sunil is uh uh uh asked me f for one month 's vacation and since he did not take any vacation for two years , I had no {disfmarker} I didn't have heart to tell him no . So he 's in India .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is he getting married or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh well , he may be looking for a girl , for {disfmarker} for I don't {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't ask . I know that Naran - when last time Narayanan did that he came back engaged .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , I mean , I 've known other friends who {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they go to Ind - they go back home to India for a month , they come back married ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I know . I know , I know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "you know , huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and then of course then what happened with Narayanan was that he start pushing me that he needs to get a PHD because they wouldn't give him his wife . And she 's very pretty and he loves her and so {disfmarker} so we had to really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So he finally had some incentive to finish ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . We had {disfmarker} well I had a incentive because he {disfmarker} he always had this plan except he never told me .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sort of figured that {disfmarker} That was a uh that he uh he told me the day when we did very well at our NIST evaluations of speaker recognition , the technology , and he was involved there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We were {disfmarker} after presentation we were driving home and he told me .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "When he knew you were happy ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I {disfmarker} I said \" well , yeah , OK \" so he took another {disfmarker} another three quarter of the year but uh he was out .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} wouldn't surprise me if he has a plan like that , though {disfmarker} though uh Pratibha still needs to get out first .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz Pratibha is there a {disfmarker} a year earlier .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And S and Satya needs to get out very first because he 's {disfmarker} he already has uh four years served , though one year he was getting masters . So . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So have the um {disfmarker} when is the next uh evaluation ? June or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Which ? Speaker recognition ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , for uh Aurora ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh there , we don't know about evaluation , next meeting is in June .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh uh but like getting {disfmarker} get together .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Are people supposed to rerun their systems ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Nobody said that yet .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I assume so . Uh yes , uh , but nobody even set up yet the {pause} date for uh delivering uh endpointed data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And this uh {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that sort of stuff . But I uh , yeah , what I think would be of course extremely useful , if we can come to our next meeting and say \" well you know we did get fifty percent improvement . If {disfmarker} if you are interested we eventually can tell you how \" , but uh we can get fifty percent improvement .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because people will s will be saying it 's impossible .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Do you know what the new baseline is ? Oh , I guess if you don't have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Twenty - two {disfmarker} t twenty {disfmarker} twenty - two percent better than the old baseline .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Using your uh voice activity detector ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "u Yes . Yes . But I assume that it will be similar , I don't {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't see the reason why it shouldn't be .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Similar , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I d I don't see reason why it should be worse .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz if it is worse , then we will raise the objection ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "we say \" well you know how come ? \" Because eh if we just use our voice activity detector , which we don't claim even that it 's wonderful , it 's just like one of them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We get this sort of improvement , how come that we don't see it on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on your endpointed data ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess it could be even better ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because the voice activity detector that I choosed is something that cheating , it 's using the alignment of the speech recognition system ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . C yeah uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and only the alignment on the clean channel , and then mapped this alignment to the noisy channel .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and on clean speech data . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well David told me {disfmarker} David told me yesterday or Harry actually he told Harry from QualComm and Harry uh brought up the suggestion we should still go for fifty percent he says are you aware that your system does only thirty percent uh comparing to {disfmarker} to endpointed baselines ? So they must have run already something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . And Harry said \" Yeah . But I mean we think that we {disfmarker} we didn't say the last word yet , that we have other {disfmarker} other things which we can try . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So there 's a lot of discussion now about this uh new criterion . Because Nokia was objecting , with uh QualComm 's {disfmarker} we basically supported that , we said \" yes \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Now everybody else is saying \" well you guys might {disfmarker} must be out of your mind . \" uh The {disfmarker} Guenter Hirsch who d doesn't speak for Ericsson anymore because he is not with Ericsson and Ericsson may not {disfmarker} may withdraw from the whole Aurora activity because they have so many troubles now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ericsson 's laying off twenty percent of people .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Where 's uh Guenter going ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well Guenter is already {disfmarker} he got the job uh already was working on it for past two years or three years {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "he got a job uh at some {disfmarker} some Fachschule , the technical college not too far from Aachen .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's like professor {disfmarker} u university professor",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know , not quite a university , not quite a sort of {disfmarker} it 's not Aachen University , but it 's a good school and he {disfmarker} he 's happy .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And he {disfmarker} well , he was hoping to work uh with Ericsson like on t uh like consulting basis , but right now he says {disfmarker} says it doesn't look like that anybody is even thinking about speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They think about survival .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So . But this is being now discussed right now , and it 's possible that uh {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that it may get through , that we will still stick to fifty percent .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But that means that nobody will probably get this im this improvement . yet , wi with the current system . Which event es essentially I think that we should be happy with because that {disfmarker} that would mean that at least people may be forced to look into alternative solutions",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But maybe {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean we are not too far from {disfmarker} from fifty percent , from the new baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Which would mean like sixty percent over the current baseline , which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes . Yes . We {disfmarker} we getting {disfmarker} we getting there , right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well . We are around fifty , fifty - five .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Is it like sort of {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} How did you come up with this number ? If you improve twenty {disfmarker} by twenty percent the c the f the all baselines , it 's just a quick c comp co computation ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't know exactly if it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . I think it 's about right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because it de it depends on the weightings",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Yeah . But . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . How 's your documentation or whatever it w what was it you guys were working on last week ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , finally we {disfmarker} we 've not finished with this . We stopped .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "More or less it 's finished .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Ma - nec to need a little more time to improve the English , and maybe s to fill in something {disfmarker} some small detail , something like that ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but it 's more or less ready .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we have a document that explain a big part of the experiments ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Necessary to {disfmarker} to include the bi the bibliography .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it 's not , yeah , finished yet . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So have you been running some new experiments ? I {disfmarker} I thought I saw some jobs of yours running on some of the machine {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . We 've fff {comment} done some strange things like removing C - zero or C - one from the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} the vector of parameters , and we noticed that C - one is almost not useful at all . You can remove it from the vector , it doesn't hurt .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Really ? ! That has no effect ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Eh {disfmarker} Is this in the baseline ? or in uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "In the {disfmarker} No , in the proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "in {disfmarker} uh - huh , uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So we were just discussing , since you mentioned that , in {disfmarker} it w",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "driving in the car with Morgan this morning , we were discussing a good experiment for b for beginning graduate student who wants to run a lot of {disfmarker} who wants to get a lot of numbers on something",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "which is , like , \" imagine that you will {disfmarker} you will start putting every co any coefficient , which you are using in your vector , in some general power .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "In some what ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "General pow power . Like sort of you take a s power of two , or take a square root , or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So suppose that you are working with a s C - zer C - one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So if you put it in a s square root , that effectively makes your model half as efficient . Because uh your uh Gaussian mixture model , right ? computes the mean .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and uh i i i but it 's {disfmarker} the mean is an exponent of the whatever , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this Gaussian function .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You 're compressing the range ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you 're compressing the range of this coefficient , so it 's becoming less efficient .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ? of that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So . Morgan was @ @ and he was {disfmarker} he was saying well this might be the alternative way how to play with a {disfmarker} with a fudge factor , you know , uh in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know , just compress the whole vector .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I said \" well in that case why don't we just start compressing individual elements , like when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} because in old days we were doing {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when people still were doing template matching and Euclidean distances , we were doing this liftering of parameters , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because we observed that uh higher parameters were more important than lower for recognition . And basically the {disfmarker} the C - ze C - one contributes mainly slope ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and it 's highly affected by uh frequency response of the {disfmarker} of the recording equipment and that sort of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} so we were coming with all these f various lifters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh Bell Labs had he {disfmarker} this uh uh r raised cosine lifter which still I think is built into H {disfmarker} HTK for reasons n unknown to anybody , but {disfmarker} but uh we had exponential lifter , or triangle lifter , basic number of lifters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And . But so they may be a way to {disfmarker} to fiddle with the f with the f",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Insertions .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Insertions , deletions , or the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} giving a relative {disfmarker} uh basically modifying relative importance of the various parameters .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The only of course problem is that there 's an infinite number of combinations and if the {disfmarker} if you s if y",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Uh - huh . You need like a {disfmarker} some kind of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you need a lot of graduate students , and a lot of computing power .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You need to have a genetic algorithm , that basically tries random permutations of these things .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I know . Exactly . Oh . If you were at Bell Labs or {disfmarker} I d d I shouldn't be saying this in {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on a mike , right ? Or I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} IBM , that 's what {disfmarker} maybe that 's what somebody would be doing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I mean , I mean the places which have a lot of computing power , so because it is really it 's a p it 's a {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it will be reasonable search",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh but I wonder if there isn't some way of doing this uh search like when we are searching say for best discriminants .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know actually , I don't know that this wouldn't be all that bad . I mean you {disfmarker} you compute the features once ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ? And then these exponents are just applied to that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . And hev everything is fixed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Everything is fixed . Each {disfmarker} each {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And is this something that you would adjust for training ? or only recognition ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "For both , you would have to do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You would do it on both .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You have to do bo both .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So you 'd actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because essentially you are saying \" uh this feature is not important \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or less important , so that 's {disfmarker} th that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a painful one , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So for each {disfmarker} uh set of exponents that you would try , it would require a training and a recognition ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} but wait a minute . You may not need to re uh uh retrain the m model . You just may n may need to c uh give uh less weight to {disfmarker} to uh a mod uh a component of the model which represents this particular feature . You don't have to retrain it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So if you {disfmarker} Instead of altering the feature vectors themselves , you {disfmarker} you modify the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the Gaussians in the models .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You just multiply . Yeah . Yep . You modify the Gaussian in the model , but in the {disfmarker} in the test data you would have to put it in the power , but in a training what you c in a training uh {disfmarker} in trained model , all you would have to do is to multiply a model by appropriate constant .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . But why {disfmarker} if you 're {disfmarker} if you 're multi if you 're altering the model , why w in the test data , why would you have to muck with the uh cepstral coefficients ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because in uh test {disfmarker} in uh test data you ca don't have a model . You have uh only data . But in a {disfmarker} in a tr",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . But you 're running your data through that same model .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That is true , but w I mean , so what you want to do {disfmarker} You want to say if uh obs you {disfmarker} if you observe something like Stephane observes , that C - one is not important , you can do two things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "If you have a trained {disfmarker} trained recognizer , in the model , you know the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the component which {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean di dimension {vocalsound} wh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . All of the {disfmarker} all of the mean and variances that correspond to C - one , you put them to zero .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "To the s you {disfmarker} you know it . But what I 'm proposing now , if it is important but not as important , you multiply it by point one in a model .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But what are you multiplying ? Cuz those are means , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You 're multiplying the standard deviation ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I mean you 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think that you multiply the {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would have to look in the {disfmarker} in the math , I mean how {disfmarker} how does the model uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think you 'd have to modify the standard deviation or something , so that you make it {vocalsound} wider or narrower .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Effectively , that 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Exactly . That 's what you do . That 's what you do , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you modify the standard deviation as it was trained .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Effectively you , you know y in f in front of the {disfmarker} of the model , you put a constant . S yeah effectively what you 're doing is you {disfmarker} is you are modifying the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the deviation . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The spread ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oop .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the spread .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's the same {disfmarker} same mean ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So by making th the standard deviation narrower , {comment} uh your scores get worse for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "unless it 's exactly right on the mean .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Your als No . By making it narrower ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh y your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean there 's {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're allowing for less variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , so you making this particular dimension less important . Because see what you are fitting is the multidimensional Gaussian , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker} it has {disfmarker} it has uh thirty - nine dimensions , or thirteen dimensions if you g ignore deltas and double - deltas .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So in order {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} in order to make dimension which {disfmarker} which Stephane sees uh less important , uh uh I mean not {disfmarker} not useful , less important , what you do is that this particular component in the model you can multiply by w you can {disfmarker} you can basically de - weight it in the model . But you can't do it in a {disfmarker} in a test data because you don't have a model for th I mean uh when the test comes , but what you can do is that you put this particular component in {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and you compress it . That becomes uh th gets less variance , subsequently becomes less important .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't you just do that to the test data and not do anything with your training data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That would be very bad , because uh your t your model was trained uh expecting uh , that wouldn't work . Because your model was trained expecting a certain var variance on C - one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And because the model thinks C - one is important . After you train the model , you sort of {disfmarker} y you could do {disfmarker} you could do still what I was proposing initially , that during the training you {disfmarker} you compress C - one that becomes {disfmarker} then it becomes less important in a training .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But if you have {disfmarker} if you want to run e ex extensive experiment without retraining the model , you don't have to retrain the model . You train it on the original vector . But after , you {disfmarker} wh when you are doing this parametric study of importance of C - one you will de - weight the C - one component in the model , and you will put in the {disfmarker} you will compress the {disfmarker} this component in a {disfmarker} in the test data . s by the same amount .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Could you also if you wanted to {disfmarker} if you wanted to try an experiment uh by {pause} leaving out say , C - one , couldn't you , in your test data , uh modify the {disfmarker} all of the C - one values to be um way outside of the normal range of the Gaussian for C - one that was trained in the model ? So that effectively , the C - one never really contributes to the score ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , that would be a severe mismatch ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do you know what I 'm say",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? what you are proposing ? N no you don't want that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , someth",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because that would {disfmarker} then your model would be unlikely . Your likelihood would be low , right ? Because you would be providing severe mismatch .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But what if you set if to the mean of the model , then ? And it was a cons you set all C - ones coming in through your test data , you {disfmarker} you change whatever value that was there to the mean that your model had .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No that would be very good match , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That you would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker} Well , yeah , but we have several means . So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see what you are sa {pause} saying ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Saying .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but uh , {vocalsound} no , no I don't think that it would be the same . I mean , no , the {disfmarker} If you set it to a mean , that would {disfmarker} No , you can't do that . Y you ca you ca Ch - Chuck , you can't do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's true , right , yeah , because you {disfmarker} you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Wait . Which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Because that would be a really f fiddling with the data ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you can't do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But what you can do , I 'm confident you ca",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "well , I 'm reasonably confident and I putting it on the record , right ? I mean y people will listen to it for {disfmarker} for centuries now , is {pause} what you can do , is you train the model uh with the {disfmarker} with the original data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Then you decide that you want to see how important C {disfmarker} C - one is . So what you will do is that a component in the model for C - one , you will divide it by {disfmarker} by two . And you will compress your test data by square root .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then you will still have a perfect m match . Except that this component of C - one will be half as important in a {disfmarker} in a overall score .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Then you divide it by four and you take a square , f fourth root . Then if you think that some component is more {disfmarker} is more important then th th th it then {disfmarker} then uh uh i it is , based on training , then you uh multiply this particular component in the model by {disfmarker} by {disfmarker} by {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You 're talking about the standard deviation ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , multiply this component uh i it by number b larger than one ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and you put your data in power higher than one . Then it becomes more important . In the overall score , I believe .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but , at the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But {pause} don't you have to do something to the mean , also ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But I think it 's {disfmarker} uh the {disfmarker} The variance is on {disfmarker} on the denominator in the {disfmarker} in the Gaussian equation . So . I think it 's maybe it 's the contrary . If you want to decrease the importance of a c parameter , you have to increase it 's variance .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Multiply .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah . So you {disfmarker} so you may want to do it other way around ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . That 's right . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But if your {disfmarker} If your um original data for C - one had a mean of two .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And now you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're changing that by squaring it . Now your mean of your C - one original data has {disfmarker} {comment} is four . But your model still has a mean of two . So even though you 've expended the range , your mean doesn't match anymore .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Let 's see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Do you see what I mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} What I see {disfmarker} What could be done is you don't change your features , which are computed once for all ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but you just tune the model . So . You have your features . You train your {disfmarker} your model on these features .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then if you want to decrease the importance of C - one you just take the variance of the C - one component in the {disfmarker} in the model and increase it if you want to decrease the importance of C - one or decrease it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You would have to modify the mean in the model . I {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} I agree with you . Yeah . Yeah , but I mean , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's i it 's do - able ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so y",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? I mean , it 's predictable . Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's predictable , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , it 's predictable .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But as a simple thing , you could just {disfmarker} just muck with the variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just adjust the model , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "to get uh this {disfmarker} uh this {disfmarker} the effect I think that you 're talking about ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It might be .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Could increase the variance to decrease the importance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because if you had a huge variance , you 're dividing by a large number , {comment} you get a very small contribution .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't matter {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it becomes more flat",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the sharper the variance , the more {disfmarker} more important to get that one right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you know actually , this reminds me of something that happened uh when I was at BBN . We were playing with putting um pitch into the Mandarin recognizer .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this particular pitch algorithm um when it didn't think there was any voicing , was spitting out zeros . So we were getting {disfmarker} uh when we did clustering , we were getting groups uh of features",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "p Pretty new outliers , interesting outliers , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , with {disfmarker} with a mean of zero and basically zero variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Variance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , when ener {comment} when anytime any one of those vectors came in that had a zero in it , we got a great score . I mean it was just , {nonvocalsound} you know , incredibly {nonvocalsound} high score , and so that was throwing everything off .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} if you have very small variance you get really good scores when you get something that matches .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound} So that 's a way , yeah , yeah {disfmarker} That 's a way to increase the {disfmarker} yeah , n That 's interesting . So in fact , that would be {disfmarker} That doesn't require any retraining .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No . No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , that 's right . So it 's",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So that means it 's just",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "just tuning the models and testing , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "recognitions .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It would be quick .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you have a step where you you modify the models , make a d copy of your models with whatever variance modifications you make , and rerun recognition .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then do a whole bunch of those .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That could be set up fairly easily I think , and you have a whole bunch of you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Chuck is getting himself in trouble .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's an interesting idea , actually . For testing the {disfmarker} Yeah . Huh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Didn't you say you got these uh HTK 's set up on the new Linux boxes ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hey !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "In fact , and {disfmarker} and they 're just t right now they 're installing uh {disfmarker} increasing the memory on that uh {disfmarker} the Linux box .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And Chuck is sort of really fishing for how to keep his computer busy ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Absinthe .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Absinthe . We 've got five processors on that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} yeah , that 's a good thing",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "because then y you just write the \" do \" - loops and then you pretend that you are working while you are sort of {disfmarker} you c you can go fishing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And two gigs of memory .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Pretend , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Go fishing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "See how many cycles we used ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then you are sort of in this mode like all of those ARPA people are , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , since it is on the record , I can't say uh which company it was , but it was reported to me that uh somebody visited a company and during a {disfmarker} d during a discussion , there was this guy who was always hitting the carriage returns uh on a computer .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So after two hours uh the visitor said \" wh why are you hitting this carriage return ? \" And he said \" well you know , we are being paid by a computer ty I mean we are {disfmarker} we have a government contract . And they pay us by {disfmarker} by amount of computer time we use . \" It was in old days when there were uh {disfmarker} of PDP - eights and that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , my gosh ! So he had to make it look like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because so they had a {disfmarker} they literally had to c monitor at the time {disfmarker} at the time on a computer how much time is being spent I {disfmarker} i i or on {disfmarker} on this particular project .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . How {disfmarker} Idle time .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Nobody was looking even at what was coming out .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Have you ever seen those little um {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's this thing that 's the shape of a bird and it has a red ball and its beak dips into the water ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know , right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} if you could hook that up so it hit the keyboard {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's an interesting experiment .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It would be similar {disfmarker} similar to {disfmarker} I knew some people who were uh that was in old Communist uh Czechoslovakia , right ? so we were watching for American airplanes , coming to spy on {disfmarker} on uh {disfmarker} on us at the time ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so there were three guys uh uh stationed in the middle of the woods on one l lonely uh watching tower , pretty much spending a year and a half there because there was this service right ? And so they {disfmarker} very quickly they made friends with local girls and local people in the village",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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{
"content": "Ugh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and so but they {disfmarker} there was one plane flying over s always uh uh above , and so that was the only work which they had . They {disfmarker} like four in the afternoon they had to report there was a plane from Prague to Brno Basically f flying there ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so they f very q f first thing was that they would always run back and {disfmarker} and at four o ' clock and {disfmarker} and quickly make a call , \" this plane is uh uh passing \" then a second thing was that they {disfmarker} they took the line from this u u post to uh uh a local pub . And they were calling from the pub . And they {disfmarker} but third thing which they made , and when they screwed up , they {disfmarker} finally they had to p the {disfmarker} the p the pub owner to make these phone calls because they didn't even bother to be there anymore . And one day there was {disfmarker} there was no plane . At least they were sort of smart enough that they looked if the plane is flying there , right ? And the pub owner says \" oh my {disfmarker} four o ' clock , OK , quickly p pick up the phone , call that there 's a plane flying . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There was no plane for some reason ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And there wasn't ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
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"content": "it was downed , or {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and {disfmarker} so they got in trouble . But . {vocalsound} But uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Huh ! Well that 's {disfmarker} that 's a really i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That wouldn't be too difficult to try .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe I could set that up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we 'll just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , at least go test the s test the uh assumption about C - C - one I mean to begin with . But then of course one can then think about some predictable result to change all of them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's just like we used to do these uh {disfmarker} these uh {disfmarker} um the {disfmarker} the uh distance measures . It might be that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the first set of uh variance weighting vectors would be just you know one {disfmarker} modifying one and leaving the others the same .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and do that for each one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because you see , I mean , what is happening here in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} in a {disfmarker} in such a model is that it 's {disfmarker} tells you yeah what has a low variance uh is uh {disfmarker} is uh {disfmarker} is more reliable ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That would be one set of experiment {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? How do we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wh - yeah , when the data matches that , then you get really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How do we know , especially when it comes to noise ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But there could just naturally be low variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because I {disfmarker} Like , I 've noticed in the higher cepstral coefficients , the numbers seem to get smaller , right ? So d",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
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"content": "They {disfmarker} t",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , just naturally .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "They have smaller means , also . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exactly . And so it seems like they 're already sort of compressed .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The range {pause} of values .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that 's why uh people used these lifters were inverse variance weighting lifters basically that makes uh uh Euclidean distance more like uh Mahalanobis distance with a diagonal covariance when you knew what all the variances were over the old data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What they would do is that they would weight each coefficient by inverse of the variance . Turns out that uh the variance decreases at least at fast , I believe , as the index of the cepstral coefficients . I think you can show that uh uh analytically .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So typically what happens is that you {disfmarker} you need to weight the {disfmarker} uh weight the higher coefficients more than uh the lower coefficients .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
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"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "When {disfmarker} Yeah . When we talked about Aurora still I wanted to m make a plea {disfmarker} uh encourage for uh more communication between {disfmarker} between uh {pause} uh different uh parts of the distributed uh {pause} uh center . Uh even when there is absolutely nothing to {disfmarker} to s to say but the weather is good in Ore - in {disfmarker} in Berkeley . I 'm sure that it 's being appreciated in Oregon and maybe it will generate similar responses down here , like , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We can set up a webcam maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} you know , nowadays , yeah . It 's actually do - able , almost .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is the um {disfmarker} if we mail to \" Aurora - inhouse \" , does that go up to you guys also ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so . No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So we should do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So i What is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "We should definitely set up {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we sh Do we have a mailing list that includes uh the OGI people ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh no . We don't have .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Maybe we should set that up . That would make it much easier .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , that would make it easier .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So maybe just call it \" Aurora \" or something that would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And then we also can send the {disfmarker} the dis to the same address right , and it goes to everybody",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Maybe we can set that up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because what 's happening naturally in research , I know , is that people essentially start working on something and they don't want to be much bothered , right ? but what the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} then the danger is in a group like this , is that two people are working on the same thing and i c of course both of them come with the s very good solution , but it could have been done somehow in half of the effort or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , there 's another thing which I wanted to uh uh report . Lucash , I think , uh wrote the software for this Aurora - two system . reasonably uh good one , because he 's doing it for Intel , but I trust that we have uh rights to uh use it uh or distribute it and everything . Cuz Intel 's intentions originally was to distribute it free of charge anyways .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "u s And so {disfmarker} so uh we {disfmarker} we will make sure that at least you can see the software and if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if it is of any use . Just uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It might be a reasonable point for p perhaps uh start converging .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Because Morgan 's point is that {disfmarker} He is an experienced guy . He says \" well you know it 's very difficult to collaborate if you are working with supposedly the same thing , in quotes , except which is not s is not the same .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker} which uh uh one is using that set of hurdles , another one set {disfmarker} is using another set of hurdles . So . And {disfmarker} And then it 's difficult to c compare .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What about Harry ? Uh . We received a mail last week and you are starting to {disfmarker} to do some experiments .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "He got the {disfmarker} he got the software . Yeah . They sent the release .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And use this Intel version .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because Intel paid us uh should I say on a microphone ? uh some amount of money , not much . Not much I can say on a microphone . Much less then we should have gotten {vocalsound} for this amount of work . And they wanted uh to {disfmarker} to have software so that they can also play with it , which means that it has to be in a certain environment {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "they use actu actually some Intel libraries , but in the process , Lucash just rewrote the whole thing because he figured rather than trying to f make sense uh of uh {disfmarker} including ICSI software uh not for training on the nets",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "but I think he rewrote the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} or so maybe somehow reused over the parts of the thing so that {disfmarker} so that {disfmarker} the whole thing , including MLP , trained MLP is one piece of uh software .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Wow !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is it useful ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ye - Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I remember when we were trying to put together all the ICSI software for the submission .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} That 's what he was saying , right . He said that it was like {disfmarker} it was like just so many libraries and nobody knew what was used when , and {disfmarker} and so that 's where he started and that 's where he realized that it needs to be {disfmarker} needs to be uh uh at least cleaned up ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and so I think it {disfmarker} this is available .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , the {disfmarker} the only thing I would check is if he {disfmarker} does he use Intel math libraries ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh e ev",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because if it 's the case , it 's maybe not so easy to use it on another architecture .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "n not maybe {disfmarker} Maybe not in a first {disfmarker} maybe not in a first ap approximation because I think he started first just with a plain C {disfmarker} C or C - plus - plus or something before {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I can check on that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": " Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And uh in {disfmarker} otherwise the Intel libraries , I think they are available free of f freely . But they may be running only on {disfmarker} on uh {disfmarker} on uh Windows .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . ",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "On Intel architecture maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , on Intel architecture , may not run in SUN .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That is p that is {disfmarker} that is possible . That 's why Intel of course is distributing it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "right ? Or {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well there are {disfmarker} at least there are optimized version for their architecture .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I never checked carefully these sorts of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I know there was some issues that initially of course we d do all the development on Linux but we use {disfmarker} we don't have {disfmarker} we have only three uh uh uh uh s SUNs and we have them only because they have a SPERT board in . Otherwise {disfmarker} otherwise we t almost exclusively are working with uh PC 's now , with Intel . In that way Intel succeeded with us , because they gave us too many good machines for very little money or nothing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . So . So we run everything on Intel .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Wow !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Does anybody have anything else ? to {disfmarker} Shall we read some digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I have to take my glasses {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So . Hynek , I don't know if you 've ever done this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The way that it works is each person goes around in turn , {comment} and uh you say the transcript number and then you read the digits , the {disfmarker} the strings of numbers as individual digits .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So you don't say \" eight hundred and fifty \" , you say \" eight five oh \" , and so forth .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . So can {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} can I t maybe start then ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"answer": "The meeting began with an update on the voice-unvoice detection. The professor suggested the solution might just be feeding the log magnitude of the spectrum into a simple neural net. The team then had a brief discussion about some confusing formula on the France Telecom proposal. Following this, the team talked about how to pick out the most important acoustic events. Then, Grad A introduced the team to phonological matchings that he was working on using Support Vector Machines. The goal was to map MFCC's to phonological features. The team concluded by discussing a potential bug which led to a significant difference between PLP and mel cepstrum and the FFT method that they were exploring.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
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"answer": "The existing net for voice-unvoice had three outputs, voice, unvoice, and silence. It took fifteen features as inputs. The team discussed how energy measures could be incorporated to improve performance on this task. The nets took around a day to train, so the team could run more experiments. The current performance on the task was unsatisfactory.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about voice-unvoice detection",
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"answer": "The professor explained that the task typically relied on R-one over R-zero as a measure. He thought that the team should explore the difference between the log FFT and the log magnitude FF spectrum and the filter bank. These were fundamentally different measures which could help the model.",
"query": "What did the professor think about improving voice-unvoice detection?",
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"answer": "PhD D explained that voice-unvoice net took fifteen base features and three features of R as inputs. The R features were the variance of the difference between the two spectrums, variance of the auto-correlation function, and the first coefficient of the auto-correlation function. This method, however, was not that much better than the more typical method that the professor recalled.",
"query": "What did PhD D think about voice-unvoice detection?",
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"answer": "Support vector machines were better at dealing with a lower amount of data, so they could do a reasonable job learning patterns in MFCC without too much work. They worked by finding an optimal separating plane. This was more efficient as the model picked only critical points as opposed to doing more computationally expensive k-means clustering.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on support vector machines to map MFCC to phonological features",
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"answer": "The professor recalled that people at Mississippi state were using support vector machines for speech recognition by estimating probabilities. The results were not significant, but they were reasonable.",
"query": "What did the professor think about support vector machines for speech recognition?",
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"answer": "Grad A explained that his vector contained binary values for whether a phonological feature exists or not. The goal was to come up with a mapping from a feature set to the existence of a particular phonological feature. He was not doing the mapping yet. The goal was simply detecting features at the time.",
"query": "What did Grad A explain about his vectors for his support vector machine?",
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"content": "OK . So uh , he 's not here ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so you get to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I will try to explain the thing that I did this {disfmarker} this week {disfmarker} during this week .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well eh you know that I work {disfmarker} I begin to work with a new feature to detect voice - unvoice .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What I trying two MLP to {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} with this new feature and the fifteen feature uh from the eh bus base system",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the mel cepstrum ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , satly the mes the Mel Cepstrum , the new base system {disfmarker} the new base system .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK , the Aurora system .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah the Aurora system with the new filter , VAD or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm trying two MLP , one one that only have t three output , voice , unvoice , and silence ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and other one that have fifty - six output . The probabilities of the allophone . And I tried to do some experiment of recognition with that and only have result with {disfmarker} with the MLP with the three output . And I put together the fifteen features and the three MLP output . And , well , the result are li a little bit better , but more or less similar .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm slightly confused .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what feeds the uh {disfmarker} the three - output net ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Voice , unvoice , and si",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The feature {disfmarker} the input ? The inputs are the fifteen {disfmarker} the fifteen uh bases feature .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} with the new code . And the other three features are R , the variance of the difference between the two spectrum ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "the variance of the auto - correlation function , except the {disfmarker} the first point , because half the height value is R - zero",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and also R - zero , the first coefficient of the auto - correlation function . That is like the energy with these three feature ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "also these three feature .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You wouldn't do like R - one over R - zero or something like that ? I mean usually for voiced - unvoiced you 'd do {disfmarker} yeah , you 'd do something {disfmarker} you 'd do energy",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but then you have something like spectral slope , which is you get like R - one ov over R - zero or something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What are the R 's ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "R correlations .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry I missed it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , R c No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Auto - correlation ? Yes , yes , the variance of the auto - correlation function that uses that",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ye - Well that 's the variance , but if you just say \" what is {disfmarker} \" I mean , to first order , um yeah one of the differences between voiced , unvoiced and silence is energy . Another one is {disfmarker} but the other one is the spectral shape .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I 'll {disfmarker} The spectral shape ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and so R - one over R - zero is what you typically use for that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . No , I don't use that {disfmarker} I can't use {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'm saying that 's what people us typically use .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "See , because it {disfmarker} because this is {disfmarker} this is just like a single number to tell you um \" does the spectrum look like that or does it look like that \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . R {disfmarker} R {disfmarker} R - zero .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's um {disfmarker} if it 's low energy uh but the {disfmarker} but the spectrum looks like that or like that , it 's probably silence .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh but if it 's low energy and the spectrum looks like that , it 's probably unvoiced .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So if you just {disfmarker} if you just had to pick two features to determine voiced - unvoiced , you 'd pick something about the spectrum like uh R - one over R - zero , um and R - zero",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or i i you know you 'd have some other energy measure and like in the old days people did like uh zero crossing counts .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . S S",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I can also th use this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Bec - because the result are a little bit better but we have in a point that everything is more or less the similar {disfmarker} more or less similar .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's not quite better .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right , but it seemed to me that what you were what you were getting at before was that there is something about the difference between the original signal or the original FFT and with the filter which is what {disfmarker} and the variance was one take uh on it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I used this too .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . But it {disfmarker} it could be something else . Suppose you didn't have anything like that . Then in that case , if you have two nets , Alright , and this one has three outputs , and this one has f",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "whatever , fifty - six , or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if you were to sum up the probabilities for the voiced and for the unvoiced and for the silence here , we 've found in the past you 'll do better at voiced - unvoiced - silence than you do with this one . So just having the three output thing doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't really buy you anything . The issue is what you feed it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I have {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you 're saying take the features that go into the voiced - unvoiced - silence net and feed those into the other one , as additional inputs , rather than having a separate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "w W well that 's another way .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That wasn't what I was saying but yeah that 's certainly another thing to do . No I was just trying to say if you b if you bring this into the picture over this , what more does it buy you ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And what I was saying is that the only thing I think that it buys you is um based on whether you feed it something different . And something different in some fundamental way . And so the kind of thing that {disfmarker} that she was talking about before , was looking at something uh ab um {disfmarker} something uh about the difference between the {disfmarker} the uh um log FFT uh log power uh and the log magnitude uh F F - spectrum uh and the um uh filter bank .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so the filter bank is chosen in fact to sort of integrate out the effects of pitch and she 's saying you know trying {disfmarker} So the particular measure that she chose was the variance of this m of this difference , but that might not be the right number .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean maybe there 's something about the variance that 's {disfmarker} that 's not enough or maybe there 's something else that {disfmarker} that one could use , but I think that , for me , the thing that {disfmarker} that struck me was that uh you wanna get something back here , so here 's {disfmarker} here 's an idea . uh What about it you skip all the {disfmarker} all the really clever things , and just fed the log magnitude spectrum into this ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah {disfmarker} I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is f You have the log magnitude spectrum , and you were looking at that and the difference between the filter bank and {disfmarker} and c c computing the variance .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a clever thing to do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What if you stopped being clever ? And you just took this thing in here because it 's a neural net and neural nets are wonderful",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and figure out what they can {disfmarker} what they most need from things , and I mean that 's what they 're good at .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So I mean you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're trying to be clever and say what 's the statistic that should {disfmarker} we should get about this difference but uh in fact , you know maybe just feeding this in or {disfmarker} or feeding both of them in",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know , another way , saying let it figure out what 's the {disfmarker} what is the interaction , especially if you do this over multiple frames ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Then you have this over time , and {disfmarker} and both kinds of measures and uh you might get uh something better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so don't uh {disfmarker} don't do the division , but let the net have everything .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's another thing you could do yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um . I mean , it seems to me , if you have exactly the right thing then it 's better to do it without the net because otherwise you 're asking the net to learn this {disfmarker} you know , say if you wanted to learn how to do multiplication .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean you could feed it a bunch of s you could feed two numbers that you wanted to multiply into a net and have a bunch of nonlinearities in the middle and train it to get the product of the output and it would work . But , it 's kind of crazy , cuz we know how to multiply and you {disfmarker} you 'd be you know much lower error usually {vocalsound} if you just multiplied it out . But suppose you don't really know what the right thing is . And that 's what these sort of dumb machine learning methods are good at . So . Um . Anyway . It 's just a thought .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How long does it take , Carmen , to train up one of these nets ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , not too much .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , one day or less .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's probably worth it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What are {disfmarker} what are your f uh frame error rates for {disfmarker} for this ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Eh fifty - f six uh no , the frame error rate ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "O",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Fifty - six I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} maybe that 's accuracy ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Percent .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Fif - fifty - six percent accurate for v voice - unvoice",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "The accuracy . Mm - hmm . No for , yes f I don't remember for voice - unvoice ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "maybe for the other one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , voiced - unvoiced hopefully would be a lot better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "for voiced . I don't reme",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Should be in nineties somewhere .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Better . Maybe for voice - unvoice .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "This is for the other one . I should {disfmarker} I can't show that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But I think that fifty - five was for the {disfmarker} when the output are the fifty - six phone .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That I look in the {disfmarker} with the other {disfmarker} nnn the other MLP that we have are more or less the same number . Silence will be better but more or less the same .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think at the frame level for fifty - six that was the kind of number we were getting for {disfmarker} for uh um reduced band width uh stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that for the other one , for the three output , is sixty sixty - two , sixty three more or less .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's all ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's pretty bad .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because it 's noise also .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Aha !",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And we have",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Aha ! Yeah . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But even i in {disfmarker} Oh yeah , in training . Still , Uh . Well actually , so this is a test that you should do then . Um , if you 're getting fifty - six percent over here , uh that 's in noise also , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh OK . If you 're getting fifty - six here , try adding together the probabilities of all of the voiced phones here and all of the unvoiced phones",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "will be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and see what you get then .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I bet you get better than sixty - three .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't know , but {disfmarker} I th I {disfmarker} I think that we {disfmarker} I have the result more or less . Maybe . I don't know . I don't {disfmarker} I 'm not sure but I remember @ @ that I can't show that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK , but that 's a {disfmarker} That is a {disfmarker} a good check point , you should do that anyway ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK ? Given this {disfmarker} this uh regular old net that 's just for choosing for other purposes , uh add up the probabilities of the different subclasses and see {disfmarker} see how well you do . Uh and that {disfmarker} you know anything that you do over here should be at least as good as that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I will do that . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The targets for the neural net , uh , they come from forced alignments ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , {comment} no .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "TIMIT canonical ma mappings .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "TIMIT .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So , this is trained on TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , noisy TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this for TIMIT .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But noisy TIMIT ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Noisy TIMIT . We have noisy TIMIT with the noise of the {disfmarker} the TI - digits . And now we have another noisy TIMIT also with the noise of uh Italian database .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see . Yeah . Well there 's gonna be {disfmarker} it looks like there 's gonna be a noisy uh {disfmarker} some large vocabulary noisy stuff too . Somebody 's preparing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I forget what it 'll be , resource management , Wall Street Journal , something . Some {disfmarker} some read task actually , that they 're {disfmarker} preparing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "For what {disfmarker} For Aurora ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the uh {disfmarker} Uh , the issue is whether people make a decision now based on what they 've already seen , or they make it later . And one of the arguments for making it later is let 's make sure that whatever techniques that we 're using work for something more than {disfmarker} than connected digits .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "When are they planning {disfmarker} When would they do that ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , I think late {disfmarker} uh I think in the summer sometime .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . OK , thanks .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This is the work that I did during this date",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and also mmm I {disfmarker} H Hynek last week say that if I have time I can to begin to {disfmarker} to study well seriously the France Telecom proposal",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "to look at the code and something like that to know exactly what they are doing because maybe that we can have some ideas",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but not only to read the proposal . Look insi look i carefully what they are doing with the program @ @ and I begin to {disfmarker} to work also in that . But the first thing that I don't understand is that they are using R - the uh log energy that this quite {disfmarker} I don't know why they have some constant in the expression of the lower energy . I don't know what that means .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "They have a constant in there , you said ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , at the front it says uh \" log energy is equal to the rounded version of sixteen over the log of two \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh . uh times the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Then maybe I can understand .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is natural log , and maybe it has something to do with the fact that this is {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is that some kind of base conversion , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's what I was thinking , but {disfmarker} but um , then there 's the sixty - four , Uh , {vocalsound} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Because maybe they 're {disfmarker} the threshold that they are using on the basis of this value {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Experimental results .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mc - McDonald 's constant .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly , because well th I thought maybe they have a meaning . But I don't know what is the meaning of take exactly this value .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's pretty funny looking .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So they 're taking the number inside the log and raising it to sixteen over log base two .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Yeah , I {disfmarker} um Right . Sixteen over {comment} two .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Does it have to do with those sixty - fours , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . If we ignore the sixteen , the natural log of t one over the natural log of two times the natu I don't know . Well , maybe somebody 'll think of something ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but this is uh {disfmarker} It may just be that they {disfmarker} they want to have {disfmarker} for very small energies , they want to have some kind of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the e The effect I don't {disfmarker} @ @ I can understand the effect of this , no ? because it 's to {disfmarker} to do something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it says , since you 're taking a natural log , it says that when {disfmarker} when you get down to essentially zero energy , this is gonna be the natural log of one , which is zero .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No ? Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 'll go down to uh to {nonvocalsound} the natural log being {disfmarker} So the lowest value for this would be zero . So y you 're restricted to being positive . And this sort of smooths it for very small energies . Uh , why they chose sixty - four and something else , that was probably just experimental . And the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the constant in front of it , I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well . I {disfmarker} I will look to try if I move this parameter in their code what happens , maybe everything is {disfmarker} Maybe they tres hole are on basis of this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {disfmarker} they probably have some fi particular s fixed point arithmetic that they 're using ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then it just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was just gonna say maybe it has something to do with hardware ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "something they were doing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean that {disfmarker} they 're s probably working with fixed point or integer or something . I think you 're supposed to on this stuff anyway , and {disfmarker} and so maybe that puts it in the right realm somewhere .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well it just , yeah , puts it in the right range , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think , given at the level you 're doing things in floating point on the computer , I don't think it matters , would be my guess ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} this more or less anything",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , and wh when did Stephane take off ? He took off {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I think that Stephane will arrive today or tomorrow .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , he was gone these first few days , and then he 's here for a couple days before he goes to Salt Lake City .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "He 's {disfmarker} I think that he is in Las Vegas or something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So he 's {disfmarker} he 's going to ICASSP which is good . I {disfmarker} I don't know if there are many people who are going to ICASSP",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} so I thought , make sure somebody go .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Do {disfmarker} have {disfmarker} Have people sort of stopped going to ICASSP in recent years ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , people are less consistent about going to ICASSP and I think it 's still {disfmarker} it 's still a reasonable forum for students to {disfmarker} to present things . Uh , it 's {disfmarker} I think for engineering students of any kind , I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's if you haven't been there much , it 's good to go to , uh to get a feel for things , a range of things , not just speech . Uh . But I think for {disfmarker} for sort of dyed - in - the - wool speech people , um I think that ICSLP and Eurospeech are much more targeted .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . And then there 's these other meetings , like HLT and {disfmarker} and uh ASRU {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so there 's {disfmarker} there 's actually plenty of meetings that are really relevant to {disfmarker} to uh computational uh speech processing of one sort or another .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . So . I mean , I mostly just ignored it because I was too busy and {vocalsound} didn't get to it . So uh Wanna talk a little bit about what we were talking about this morning ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! um {pause} uh {pause} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Just briefly , or {pause} Or anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . I {disfmarker} I guess some of the progress , I {disfmarker} I 've been getting a {disfmarker} getting my committee members for the quals . And um so far I have Morgan and Hynek , {vocalsound} Mike Jordan , and I asked John Ohala and he agreed . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I just need to ask um Malek . One more . Um . Tsk . Then uh I talked a little bit about {vocalsound} um continuing with these dynamic ev um acoustic events , and um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're {vocalsound} thinking about a way to test the completeness of a {disfmarker} a set of um dynamic uh events . Uh , completeness in the {disfmarker} in the sense that {vocalsound} um if we {disfmarker} if we pick these X number of acoustic events , {vocalsound} do they provide sufficient coverage {vocalsound} for the phones that we 're trying to recognize {vocalsound} or {disfmarker} or the f the words that we 're gonna try to recognize later on . And so Morgan and I were uh discussing {vocalsound} um s uh s a form of a cheating experiment {vocalsound} where we get {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um we have uh {vocalsound} um a chosen set of features , or acoustic events , and we train up a hybrid {vocalsound} um system to do phone recognition on TIMIT . So i i the idea is if we get good phone recognition results , {vocalsound} using um these set of acoustic events , {vocalsound} then {vocalsound} um that {disfmarker} that says that these acoustic events are g sufficient to cover {vocalsound} a set of phones , at least found in TIMIT . Um so i it would be a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a measure of \" are we on the right track with {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} the choices of our acoustic events \" . Um , {vocalsound} So that 's going on . And {vocalsound} also , just uh working on my {vocalsound} uh final project for Jordan 's class , uh which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Actually , let me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hold that thought .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Let me back up while we 're still on it . The {disfmarker} the other thing I was suggesting , though , is that given that you 're talking about binary features , uh , maybe the first thing to do is just to count and uh count co - occurrences and get probabilities for a discrete HMM cuz that 'd be pretty simple because it 's just {disfmarker} Say , if you had ten {disfmarker} ten events , uh that you were counting , uh each frame would only have a thousand possible values for these ten bits , and uh so you could make a table that would {disfmarker} say , if you had thirty - nine phone categories , that would be a thousand by thirty - nine , and just count the co - occurrences and divide them by the {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker} uh uh occ uh count the co - occurrences between the event and the phone and divide them by the number of occurrences of the phone , and that would give you the likelihood of the {disfmarker} of the event given the phone . And um then just use that in a very simple HMM and uh you could uh do phone recognition then and uh wouldn't have any of the issues of the uh training of the net or {disfmarker} I mean , it 'd be on the simple side , but",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh um you know , if {disfmarker} uh uh the example I was giving was that if {disfmarker} if you had um onset of voicing and {disfmarker} and end of voicing as being two kinds of events , then if you had those a all marked correctly , and you counted co - occurrences , you should get it completely right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . um {disfmarker} But you 'd get all the other distinctions , you know , randomly wrong . I mean there 'd be nothing to tell you that . So um {vocalsound} uh If you just do this by counting , then you should be able to find out in a pretty straightforward way whether you have a sufficient uh set of events to {disfmarker} to do the kind of level of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of uh classification of phones that you 'd like . So that was {disfmarker} that was the idea . And then the other thing that we were discussing was {disfmarker} was um {vocalsound} OK , how do you get the {disfmarker} your training data .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz uh the {vocalsound} Switchboard transcription project uh uh you know was half a dozen people , or so working off and on over a couple years , and uh similar {disfmarker} {vocalsound} similar amount of data {vocalsound} to what you 're talking about with TIMIT training . So , it seems to me that the only reasonable starting point is uh to automatically translate the uh current TIMIT markings into the markings you want . And uh {vocalsound} it won't have the kind of characteristic that you 'd like , of catching funny kind of things that maybe aren't there from these automatic markings ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but uh it 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's probably a good place to start .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and a short {disfmarker} short amount of time , just to {disfmarker} again , just to see if that information is sufficient to uh determine the phones .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you could even then {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to get an idea about how different it is , you could maybe take some subset and you know , go through a few sentences , mark them by hand and then see how different it is from you know , the canonical ones ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "just to get an idea {disfmarker} a rough idea of h if it really even makes a difference .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You can get a little feeling for it that way , yeah that is probably right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean uh my {disfmarker} my guess would be that this is {disfmarker} since TIMIT 's read speech that this would be less of a big deal ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "if you went and looked at spontaneous speech it 'd be more {disfmarker} more of one .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing would be , say , if you had these ten events , you 'd wanna see , well what if you took two events or four events or ten events or t and you know , and {disfmarker} and hopefully there should be some point at which {vocalsound} having more information doesn't tell you really all that much more about what the phones are .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . You could define other events as being sequences of these events too .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you could , but the thing is , what he 's talking about here is a uh {disfmarker} a translation to a per - frame feature vector , so there 's no sequence in that , I think . I think it 's just a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Unless you did like a second pass over it or something after you 've got your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we 're just talking about something simple here , yeah , to see if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . I 'm adding complexity .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Just {disfmarker} You know . The idea is with a {disfmarker} with a very simple statistical structure , could you {disfmarker} could you uh at least verify that you 've chosen features that {vocalsound} are sufficient .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , and you were saying something {disfmarker} starting to say something else about your {disfmarker} your class project , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah th Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So for my class project I 'm {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I 'm tinkering with uh support vector machines ? something that we learned in class , and uh um basically just another method for doing classification . And so I 'm gonna apply that to {vocalsound} um compare it with the results by um King and Taylor who did {vocalsound} um these um using recurrent neural nets , they recognized {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} a set of phonological features um and made a mapping from the MFCC 's to these phonological features , so I 'm gonna {vocalsound} do a similar thing with {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with support vector machines and see if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So what 's the advantage of support vector machines ? What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . So , support vector machines are {disfmarker} are good with dealing with a less amount of data",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and um so if you {disfmarker} if you give it less data it still does a reasonable job {vocalsound} in learning the {disfmarker} the patterns .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um and {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I guess it {disfmarker} yeah , they 're sort of succinct , and {disfmarker} and they {vocalsound} uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Does there some kind of a distance metric that they use or how do they {disfmarker} for cla what do they do for classification ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Right . So , {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the simple idea behind a support vector machine is {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} you have {disfmarker} you have this feature space , right ? and then it finds the optimal separating plane , um between these two different um classes ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and um {vocalsound} and so {vocalsound} um , what it {disfmarker} i at the end of the day , what it actually does is {vocalsound} it picks {vocalsound} those examples of the features that are closest to the separating boundary , and remembers those",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and uses them to recreate the boundary for the test set . So , given these {vocalsound} um these features , or {disfmarker} or these {disfmarker} these examples , {pause} um , {pause} critical examples , {vocalsound} which they call support f support vectors , {vocalsound} then um {vocalsound} given a new example , {vocalsound} if the new example falls {vocalsound} um away from the boundary in one direction then it 's classified as being a part of this particular class",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and otherwise it 's the other class .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So why save the examples ? Why not just save what the boundary itself is ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um . Hmm . Let 's see . Uh . Yeah , that 's a good question . I {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "That 's another way of doing it . Right ? So {disfmarker} so it {disfmarker} I mean I {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Sort of an equivalent .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , it {disfmarker} it goes back to nearest - neighbor {vocalsound} sort of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? Um , i i if {disfmarker} is it eh w When is nearest - neighbor good ? Well , nearest - neighbor good {disfmarker} is good if you have lots and lots of examples . Um but of course if you have lots and lots of examples , then it can take a while to {disfmarker} to use nearest - neighbor . There 's lots of look ups . So a long time ago people talked about things where you would have uh a condensed nearest - neighbor , where you would {disfmarker} you would {disfmarker} you would pick out uh some representative examples which would uh be sufficient to represent {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to correctly classify everything that came in .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think s I think support vector stuff sort of goes back to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to that kind of thing . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I see . So rather than doing nearest neighbor where you compare to every single one , you just pick a few critical ones , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And th the You know , um neural net approach uh or Gaussian mixtures for that matter are sort of {disfmarker} fairly brute force kinds of things , where you sort of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you predefine that there is this big bunch of parameters and then you {disfmarker} you place them as you best can to define the boundaries , and in fact , as you know , {vocalsound} these things do take a lot of parameters and {disfmarker} and uh {vocalsound} if you have uh only a modest amount of data , you have trouble {vocalsound} uh learning them . Um , so I {disfmarker} I guess the idea to this is that it {disfmarker} it is reputed to uh be somewhat better in that regard .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . I it can be a {disfmarker} a reduced um {vocalsound} parameterization of {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} the model by just keeping {vocalsound} certain selected examples .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But I don't know if people have done sort of careful comparisons of this on large tasks or anything . Maybe {disfmarker} maybe they have . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't know either .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S do you get some kind of number between zero and one at the output ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Actually you don't get a {disfmarker} you don't get a nice number between zero and one . You get {disfmarker} you get either a zero or a one . Um , uh there are {disfmarker} there are pap Well , basically , it 's {disfmarker} it 's um {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you get a distance measure at the end of the day , and then that distance measure is {disfmarker} is um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is translated to a zero or one . Um .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But that 's looking at it for {disfmarker} for classification {disfmarker} for binary classification ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's for classification , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And you get that for each class , you get a zero or a one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But you have the distances to work with .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You have the distances to work with ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz actually Mississippi State people did use support vector machines for uh uh speech recognition and they were using it to estimate probabilities .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah . Yeah , they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they had a {disfmarker} had a way to translate the distances into {disfmarker} into probabilities with the {disfmarker} with the simple {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} uh sigmoidal function .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and d did they use sigmoid or a softmax type thing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} {vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And didn't they like exponentiate or something",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "there 's some {disfmarker} there 's like one over one plus the exponential or something like that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "and then {vocalsound} divide by the sum of them , or {disfmarker} ? Oh it {disfmarker} i Oh , so it is a sigmoidal .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Did the {disfmarker} did they get good results with that ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , they 're OK , I {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't think they were earth {disfmarker} earth shattering , but I think that {vocalsound} uh this was a couple years ago ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I remember them doing it at some meeting , and {disfmarker} and um I don't think people were very critical because it was interesting just to {disfmarker} to try this and you know , it was the first time they tried it , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so the {disfmarker} you know , the numbers were not incredibly good",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but there 's you know , it was th reasonable .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't remember anymore . I don't even remember what the task was , it {comment} was Broadcast News , or {vocalsound} something . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh s So Barry , if you just have zero and ones , how are you doing the speech recognition ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh I 'm not do I 'm not planning on doing speech recognition with it . I 'm just doing {vocalsound} detection of phonological features .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So uh for example , {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} this uh feature set called the uh sound patterns of English {vocalsound} um is just a bunch of {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} binary valued features . Let 's say , is this voicing , or is this not voicing , is this {vocalsound} sonorants , not sonorants , and {vocalsound} stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Did you find any more mistakes in their tables ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Uh I haven't gone through the entire table , {pause} yet . Yeah , yesterday I brought Chuck {vocalsound} the table and I was like , \" wait , this {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} Is the mapping from N to {disfmarker} to this phonological feature called um \" coronal \" , is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} should it be {disfmarker} shouldn't it be a one ? or should it {disfmarker} should it be you know coronal instead of not coronal as it was labelled in the paper ? \" So I ha haven't hunted down all the {disfmarker} all the mistakes yet ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "But a as I was saying , people do get probabilities from these things ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and uh we were just trying to remember how they do , but people have used it for speech recognition , and they have gotten probabilities . So they have some conversion from these distances to probabilities .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} you have {disfmarker} you have the paper , right ? The Mississippi State paper ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you 're interested y you could look ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I can {disfmarker} I can show you {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah , our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So in your {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the thing that you 're doing , uh you have a vector of ones and zeros for each phone ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , is this the class project , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . um",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , {comment} Right , right f so for every phone there is {disfmarker} there is a um {disfmarker} a vector of ones and zeros {vocalsound} f uh corresponding to whether it exhibits a particular phonological feature or not .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . And so when you do your wh I 'm {disfmarker} what is the task for the class project ? To come up with the phones ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or to come up with these vectors to see how closely they match the phones ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Right , um to come up with a mapping from um MFCC 's or s some feature set , {vocalsound} um to {vocalsound} uh w to whether there 's existence of a particular phonological feature .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And um yeah , basically it 's to learn a mapping {vocalsound} from {disfmarker} {vocalsound} from the MFCC 's to {vocalsound} uh phonological features . Is it {disfmarker} did that answer your question ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . C",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I guess {disfmarker} I mean , uh {disfmarker} I 'm not sure what you {disfmarker} what you 're {disfmarker} what you get out of your system . Do you get out a uh {disfmarker} a vector of these ones and zeros and then try to find the closest matching phoneme to that vector ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not planning to do any {disfmarker} any phoneme mapping yet . Just {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's basically {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's really simple , basically a detection {vocalsound} of phonological features .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} cuz the uh {disfmarker} So King and {disfmarker} and Taylor {vocalsound} um did this with uh recurrent neural nets ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and this i their {disfmarker} their idea was to first find {vocalsound} a mapping from MFCC 's to {vocalsound} uh phonological features",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and then later on , once you have these {vocalsound} phonological features , {vocalsound} then uh map that to phones .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sort of reproducing phase one of their stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . So they had one recurrent net for each particular feature ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I see . I wo did they compare that {disfmarker} I mean , what if you just did phone recognition and did the reverse lookup .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you recognize a phone and which ever phone was recognized , you spit out it 's vector of ones and zeros .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "I expect you could do that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's probably not what he 's going to do on his class project . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So um have you had a chance to do this um thing we talked about yet with the uh {disfmarker} um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Insertion penalty ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . No actually I was going a different {disfmarker} That 's a good question , too , but I was gonna ask about the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the um {vocalsound} changes to the data in comparing PLP and mel cepstrum for the SRI system .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well what I 've been {disfmarker} \" Changes to the data \" , I 'm not sure I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we talked on the phone about this , that {disfmarker} that there was still a difference of a {disfmarker} of a few percent",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} you told me that there was a difference in how the normalization was done . And I was asking if you were going to do {disfmarker} {vocalsound} redo it uh for PLP with the normalization done as it had been done for the mel cepstrum .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh right , no I haven't had a chance to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What I 've been doing is {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} trying to figure out {disfmarker} it just seems to me like there 's a um {disfmarker} well it seems like there 's a bug , because the difference in performance is {disfmarker} it 's not gigantic but it 's big enough that it {disfmarker} it seems wrong .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I agree , but I thought that the normalization difference was one of the possibilities ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Yeah , but I don't {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess I don't think that the normalization difference is gonna account for everything .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So what I was working on is um just going through and checking the headers of the wavefiles , to see if maybe there was a um {disfmarker} a certain type of compression or something that was done that my script wasn't catching . So that for some subset of the training data , uh the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the features I was computing were junk .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Which would you know cause it to perform OK , but uh , you know , the {disfmarker} the models would be all messed up . So I was going through and just double - checking that kind of think first , to see if there was just some kind of obvious bug in the way that I was computing the features .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I see . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Looking at all the sampling rates to make sure all the sampling rates were what {disfmarker} eight K , what I was assuming they were ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that makes sense , to check all that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I was doing that first , before I did these other things , just to make sure there wasn't something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Although really , uh uh , a couple three percent uh difference in word error rate uh {comment} could easily come from some difference in normalization , I would think . But",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and I think , hhh {disfmarker} {comment} I 'm trying to remember but I think I recall that Andreas was saying that he was gonna run sort of the reverse experiment . Uh which is to try to emulate the normalization that we did but with the mel cepstral features . Sort of , you know , back up from the system that he had . I thought he said he was gonna {disfmarker} I have to look back through my {disfmarker} my email from him .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he 's probably off at {disfmarker} at uh his meeting now ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , he 's gone now .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But yeah",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} I sh think they should be {vocalsound} roughly equivalent , um I mean again the Cambridge folk found the PLP actually to be a little better . Uh So it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean the other thing I wonder about was whether there was something just in the {disfmarker} the bootstrapping of their system which was based on {disfmarker} but maybe not , since they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah see one thing that 's a little bit um {disfmarker} I was looking {disfmarker} I 've been studying and going through the logs for the system that um Andreas created . And um his uh {disfmarker} the way that the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {comment} S R I system looks like it works is that it reads the wavefiles directly , uh and does all of the cepstral computation stuff on the fly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And , so there 's no place where these {disfmarker} where the cepstral files are stored , anywhere that I can go look at and compare to the PLP ones , so whereas with our features , he 's actually storing the cepstrum on disk , and he reads those in .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But it looked like he had to give it {disfmarker} uh even though the cepstrum is already computed , he has to give it uh a front - end parameter file . Which talks about the kind of uh com computation that his mel cepstrum thing does ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so i I {disfmarker} I don't know if that {disfmarker} it probably doesn't mess it up , it probably just ignores it if it determines that it 's already in the right format or something but {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the two processes that happen are a little different .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So anyway , there 's stuff there to sort out .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , OK . Let 's go back to what you thought I was asking you .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah no and I didn't have a chance to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ha ! Oh ! You had the sa same answer anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I 've been um , {disfmarker} I 've been working with um Jeremy on his project and then I 've been trying to track down this bug in uh the ICSI front - end features .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So one thing that I did notice , yesterday I was studying the um {disfmarker} the uh RASTA code",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and it looks like we don't have any way to um control the frequency range that we use in our analysis . We basically {disfmarker} it looks to me like we do the FFT , um and then we just take all the bins and we use everything . We don't have any set of parameters where we can say you know , \" only process from you know a hundred and ten hertz to thirty - seven - fifty \" .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "At least I couldn't see any kind of control for that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't think it 's in there , I think it 's in the uh uh uh the filters . So , the F F T is on everything , but the filters um , for instance , ignore the {disfmarker} the lowest bins and the highest bins . And what it does is it {disfmarker} it copies",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the filters ? Which filters ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um The filter bank which is created by integrating over F F T bins .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "When you get the mel {disfmarker} When you go to the mel scale .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , it 's bark scale , and it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it um {disfmarker} it actually copies the uh um {disfmarker} the second filters over to the first . So the first filters are always {disfmarker} and you can s you can specify a different number of {vocalsound} uh features {disfmarker} different number of filters , I think , as I recall . So you can specify a different number of filters , and whatever {vocalsound} um uh you specify , the last ones are gonna be ignored . So that {disfmarker} that 's a way that you sort of change what the {disfmarker} what the bandwidth is . Y you can't do it without I think changing the number of filters , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I saw something about uh {disfmarker} that looked like it was doing something like that , but I didn't quite understand it . So maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the idea is that the very lowest frequencies and {disfmarker} and typically the veriest {comment} highest frequencies are kind of junk .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so um you just {disfmarker} for continuity you just approximate them by {disfmarker} {vocalsound} by the second to highest and second to lowest . It 's just a simple thing we put in .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so if you h",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} but that 's a fixed uh thing ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {comment} I think that 's a fixed thing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There 's nothing that lets you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But see {disfmarker} see my point ? If you had {disfmarker} {vocalsound} If you had ten filters , {vocalsound} then you would be throwing away a lot at the two ends .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And if you had {disfmarker} if you had fifty filters , you 'd be throwing away hardly anything .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't remember there being an independent way of saying \" we 're just gonna make them from here to here \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Use this analysis bandwidth or something .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know , it 's actually been awhile since I 've looked at it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I went through the Feacalc code and then looked at you know just calling the RASTA libs {comment} and thing like that . And I didn't {disfmarker} I couldn't see any wh place where that kind of thing was done . But um I didn't quite understand everything that I saw ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , see I don't know Feacalc at all .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But it calls RASTA with some options , and um",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I think in {disfmarker} I don't know . I guess for some particular database you might find that you could tune that and tweak that to get that a little better , but I think that {vocalsound} in general it 's not that critical . I mean there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You can {disfmarker} You can throw away stuff below a hundred hertz or so and it 's just not going to affect phonetic classification at all .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Another thing I was thinking about was um is there a {disfmarker} I was wondering if there 's maybe um {vocalsound} certain settings of the parameters when you compute PLP which would basically cause it to output mel cepstrum . So that , in effect , what I could do is use our code but produce mel cepstrum and compare that directly to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's not precisely . Yeah . I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um , {vocalsound} um what you can do is um you can definitely change the {disfmarker} the filter bank from being uh a uh trapezoidal integration to a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a triangular one ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "which is what the typical mel {disfmarker} mel cepstral uh filter bank does .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And some people have claimed that they got some better performance doing that , so you certainly could do that easily . But the fundamental difference , I mean , there 's other small differences {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There 's a cubic root that happens , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but , you know , as opposed to the log in the other case . I mean {vocalsound} the fundamental d d difference that we 've seen any kind of difference from before , which is actually an advantage for the P L P i uh , I think , is that the {disfmarker} the smoothing at the end is auto - regressive instead of being cepstral {disfmarker} uh , {comment} from cepstral truncation . So um it 's a little more noise robust .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , and that 's {disfmarker} that 's why when people started getting databases that had a little more noise in it , like {disfmarker} like uh um Broadcast News and so on , that 's why c Cambridge switched to PLP I think .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So um That 's a difference that I don't {vocalsound} think we put any way to get around , since it was an advantage . um {vocalsound} uh",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but we did {disfmarker} eh we did hear this comment from people at some point , that {vocalsound} um it uh they got some better results with the triangular filters rather than the trapezoidal . So that is an option in RASTA .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh and you can certainly play with that . But I think you 're probably doing the right thing to look for bugs first . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah just {disfmarker} it just seems like this kind of behavior could be caused by you know s some of the training data being messed up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Could be .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You know , you 're sort of getting most of the way there , but there 's a {disfmarker} So I started going through and looking {disfmarker} One of the things that I did notice was that the um log likelihoods coming out of the log recognizer from the PLP data were much lower , much smaller , than for the mel cepstral stuff , and that the average amount of pruning that was happening was therefore a little bit higher for the PLP features .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh - huh !",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , since he used the same exact pruning thresholds for both , I was wondering if it could be that we 're getting more pruning .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! He {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} {vocalsound} He used the identical pruning thresholds even though the s the range of p of the likeli",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh well that 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That 's a pretty good {comment} point right there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I would think that you might wanna do something like uh you know , look at a few points to see where you are starting to get significant search errors .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} That 's {disfmarker} Right . Well , what I was gonna do is I was gonna take um a couple of the utterances that he had run through , then run them through again but modify the pruning threshold and see if it you know , affects the score .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . But I mean you could {disfmarker} uh if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if that looks promising you could , you know , r uh run {vocalsound} the overall test set with a {disfmarker} with a few different uh pruning thresholds for both ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and presumably he 's running at some pruning threshold that 's {disfmarker} that 's uh , you know {disfmarker} gets very few search errors",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but is {disfmarker} is relatively fast",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . I mean , yeah , generally in these things you {disfmarker} you turn back pruning really far ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so I {disfmarker} I didn't think it would be that big a deal because I was figuring well you have it turned back so far that you know it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But you may be in the wrong range for the P L P features for some reason .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . And the uh the {disfmarker} the run time of the recognizer on the PLP features is longer which sort of implies that the networks are bushier , you know , there 's more things it 's considering which goes along with the fact that the matches aren't as good . So uh , you know , it could be that we 're just pruning too much .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe just be different kind of distributions and {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah so that 's another possible thing . They {disfmarker} they should {disfmarker} really shouldn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There 's no particular reason why they would be exactly {disfmarker} behave exactly the same .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . There 's lots of little differences .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Trying to track it down .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess this was a little bit off topic , I guess , because I was {disfmarker} I was thinking in terms of th this as being a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a core {vocalsound} item that once we {disfmarker} once we had it going we would use for a number of the front - end things also .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "um Wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} as far as my stuff goes ,",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "What 's {disfmarker} what 's on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah , well I {vocalsound} tried this mean subtraction method .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um . Due to Avendano , {vocalsound} I 'm taking s um {vocalsound} six seconds of speech , um {vocalsound} I 'm using two second {vocalsound} FFT analysis frames , {vocalsound} stepped by a half second so it 's a quarter length step and I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I take that frame and four f the four {disfmarker} I take {disfmarker} Sorry , I take the current frame and the four past frames and the {vocalsound} four future frames and that adds up to six seconds of speech . And I calculate um {vocalsound} the spectral mean , {vocalsound} of the log magnitude spectrum {pause} over that N . I use that to normalize the s the current center frame {vocalsound} by mean subtraction . And I then {disfmarker} then I move to the next frame and I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I do it again . Well , actually I calculate all the means first and then I do the subtraction . And um {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} I tried that with HDK , the Aurora setup of HDK training on clean TI - digits , and um {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} it helped um in a phony reverberation case um {vocalsound} where I just used the simulated impulse response um {vocalsound} the error rate went from something like eighty it was from something like eighteen percent {vocalsound} to um four percent . And on meeting rec recorder far mike digits , mike {disfmarker} on channel F , it went from um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} forty - one percent error to eight percent error .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker} on the real data , not with artificial reverb ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} that was um {vocalsound} trained on clean speech only , which I 'm guessing is the reason why the baseline was so bad . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "That 's ac actually a little side point is I think that 's the first results that we have uh uh uh of any sort on the far field uh {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the far field data uh for {disfmarker} recorded in {disfmarker} in meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh um actually um Adam ran the SRI recognizer .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Did he ? On the near field , on the ne",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "On the far field also . He did one PZM channel and one PDA channel .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Oh did he ? Oh ! I didn't recall that . What kind of numbers was he getting with that ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm not sure , I think it was about five percent error for the PZM channel .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Five .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "f I think . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So why were you getting forty - one here ? Is this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um . I {disfmarker} I 'm g I 'm guessing it was the {disfmarker} the training data . Uh , clean TI - digits is , like , pretty pristine {vocalsound} training data , and if they trained {vocalsound} the SRI system on this TV broadcast type stuff , I think it 's a much wider range of channels and it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "No , but wait a minute . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I th {disfmarker} I think he {disfmarker} What am I saying here ? Yeah , so that was the SRI system . Maybe you 're right . Yeah . Cuz it was getting like one percent {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So it 's still this kind of ratio . It was {disfmarker} it was getting one percent or something on the near field . Wasn't it ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm , or it wa a it was around one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I think it was getting around one percent for the near {disfmarker} for the n for the close mike .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Huh ? OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So it was like one to five {disfmarker} So it 's still this kind of ratio . It 's just {disfmarker} yeah , it 's a lot more training data . So So probably it should be something we should try then is to {disfmarker} is to see if {disfmarker} is {vocalsound} at some point just to take {disfmarker} i to transform the data and then {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and then uh use th use it for the SRI system .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "b You me you mean um ta",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So you 're {disfmarker} so you have a system which for one reason or another is relatively poor ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and uh you have something like forty - one percent error uh and then you transform it to eight by doing {disfmarker} doing this {disfmarker} this work . Um . So here 's this other system , which is a lot better , but there 's still this kind of ratio . It 's something like five percent error {vocalsound} with the {disfmarker} the distant mike , and one percent with the close mike .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So the question is {vocalsound} how close to that one can you get {vocalsound} if you transform the data using that system .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "r Right , so {disfmarker} so I guess this SRI system is trained on a lot of s Broadcast News or Switchboard data . Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Do you know which one it is ?",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "It 's trained on a lot of different things . Um . It 's trained on uh a lot of Switchboard , Call Home ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "um a bunch of different sources , some digits , there 's some digits training in there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "O one thing I 'm wondering about is what this mean subtraction method {vocalsound} um will do if it 's faced with additive noise . Cuz I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it 's cuz I don't know what log magnitude spectral subtraction is gonna do to additive noise .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's not exactly the right thing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} but you 've already seen that cuz there is added noise here .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's true . That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , so it 's then {disfmarker} then it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's reasonable to expect it would be helpful if we used it with the SRI system and",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , as helpful {disfmarker} I mean , so that 's the question . Yeah , w we 're often asked this when we work with a system that {disfmarker} that isn't {disfmarker} isn't sort of industry {disfmarker} industry standard great ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "uh and we see some reduction in error using some clever method , then , you know , will it work on a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on a {disfmarker} on a good system . So uh you know , this other one 's {disfmarker} it was a pretty good system . I think , you know , one {disfmarker} one percent word error rate on digits is {disfmarker} uh digit strings is not {vocalsound} uh you know stellar , but {disfmarker} but given that this is real {vocalsound} digits , as opposed to uh sort of laboratory {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And it wasn't trained on this task either .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it wasn't trained on this task . Actually one percent is sort of {disfmarker} you know , sort of in a reasonable range .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "People would say \" yeah , I could {disfmarker} I can imagine getting that \" . And uh so the {disfmarker} the four or five percent or something is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is quite poor .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you know , if you 're doing a uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a sixteen digit uh credit card number you 'll basically get it wrong almost all the time .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "So . So . Uh , {vocalsound} um a significant reduction in the error for that would be great .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then , uh Yeah . So . Yeah . Cool .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Grad B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alright , um , I actually have to run . So I don't think I can do the digits , but um , {vocalsound} I guess I 'll leave my microphone on ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah . That 'll work .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": " I can be out of here quickly . {comment} {comment} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That 's I just have to run for another appointment . OK , I t Yeah . I left it on . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
}
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"answer": "The meeting consisted of participants giving an update on their projects. The team learned that the Eurospeech paper was accepted. PhD C told the team about strange activity in on-line normalization with regards to C-zero and C-one. Grad A shared his work on quals and intention to start cheating experiments. Grad G informed the team that phase normalization was coming along after a bug was fixed, but the results were still not great. Finally, the team discussed Weiner filtering for the Aurora task and the mathematical formulation of the VTS.",
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"answer": "PhD C informed the team that the Eurospeech paper had been accepted and the conference would take place in Aalborg Denmark in September. The team was making progress on on-line normalization, taking two approaches.",
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"answer": "PhD C told the team about two approaches to on-line normalization. On was using a time constant and the other was using different means for silence and speech. But the means were not behaving as expected. Addition of white noise made it such that the important difference between the means disappeared.",
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"answer": "The professor suggested delving deep into the different types of errors in the difference between silence and speech means. He thought that training and testing in the same kind of white noise would be an effective strategy. In his opinion, the differences were hurting the recognition, even though they were not too big.",
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"answer": "Grad A was working on cheating experiments to study classification of phones for his qualifying exam. Grad G fixed a bug in his Matlab code for phase normalization and started receiving better results.",
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"answer": "The professor thought that the Broadcast News net could be scaled down. The big one took two to three weeks. Phase normalization experiments relied on it. He also suggested that the math can be simplified to just complex numbers.",
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"answer": "Grad A thought that the experiments would explain which categories were good for speech recognition. The experiments would do phone recognition with TIMIT and the output would go into a standard recognizer, maybe Chronos.",
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Somebody else should run this . I 'm sick of being the one to sort of go through and say , \" Well , what do you think about this ? \" You wanna {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Should we take turns ? You want me to run it today ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Why don't you run it today ? OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK . Um . Let 's see , maybe we should just get a list of items {disfmarker} things that we should talk about . Um , I guess there 's the usual {pause} updates , everybody going around and saying , uh , you know , what they 're working on , the things that happened the last week . But aside from that is there anything in particular that anybody wants to bring up",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "for today ? No ? OK . So why don't we just around and people can give updates .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , do you want to start , Stephane ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um . Well , the first thing maybe is that the p Eurospeech paper is , uh , accepted . Um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what do you , uh {disfmarker} what 's in the paper there ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's the paper that describe basically the , um , system that were proposed for the {pause} Aurora .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The one that we s we submitted the last round ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So and the , fff {comment} comments seems {disfmarker} from the reviewer are good . So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} where 's it gonna be this year ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh , Aalborg in Denmark . And it 's ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "yeah , September .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm {disfmarker} Yeah . Then , uh , whhh well , I 've been working on {disfmarker} on t mainly on on - line normalization this week . Uh , I 've been trying different {disfmarker} slightly {disfmarker} slightly different approaches . Um , the first thing is trying to play a little bit again with the , um , time constant . Uh , second thing is , uh , the training of , uh , on - line normalization with two different means , one mean for the silence and one for the speech . Um , and so I have two recursions which are controlled by the , um , probability of the voice activity detector . Mmm . This actually don't s doesn't seem to help , although it doesn't hurt . So . But {disfmarker} well , both {pause} on - line normalization approach seems equivalent . Well , they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Are the means pretty different {pause} for the two ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They can be very different . Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So do you maybe make errors in different places ? Different kinds of errors ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I didn't look , uh , more closely . Um . It might be , yeah . Mm - hmm . Um . Well , eh , there is one thing that we can observe , is that the mean are more different for {disfmarker} for C - zero and C - one than for the other coefficients . And {disfmarker} Yeah . And {disfmarker} Yeah , it {disfmarker} the C - one is {disfmarker} There are strange {disfmarker} strange thing happening with C - one , is that when you have different kind of noises , the mean for the {disfmarker} the silence portion is {disfmarker} can be different . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So when you look at the trajectory of C - one , it 's {disfmarker} has a strange shape and I was expecting th the s that these two mean helps , especially because of the {disfmarker} the strange C - ze C - one shape , uh , which can {disfmarker} like , yo you can have , um , a trajectory for the speech and then when you are in the silence it goes somewhere , but if the noise is different it goes somewhere else .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So which would mean that if we estimate the mean based on all the signal , even though we have frame dropping , but we don't frame ev uh , drop everything , but {disfmarker} uh , this can {disfmarker} hurts the estimation of the mean for speech , and {disfmarker} Mmm . {comment} But I still have to investigate further , I think . Um , a third thing is , um , {vocalsound} that instead of t having a fixed time constant , I try to have a time constant that 's smaller at the beginning of the utterances to adapt more quickly to the r something that 's closer to the right mean . T t um {disfmarker} Yeah . And then this time constant increases and I have a threshold that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "well , if it 's higher than a certain threshold , I keep it to this threshold to still , uh , adapt , um , the mean when {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if the utterance is , uh , long enough to {disfmarker} to continue to adapt after , like , one second",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} Mmm . Uh , well , this doesn't help neither , but this doesn't hurt . So , well . It seems pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't there some experiment you were gonna try where you did something differently for each , um , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} I don't know whether it was each mel band or each , uh , um , FFT bin or someth There was something you were gonna {disfmarker} uh , {comment} some parameter you were gonna vary depending on the frequency . I don't know if that was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I guess it was {disfmarker} I don't know . No . u Maybe it 's this {disfmarker} this idea of having different {pause} on - line normalization , um , tunings for the different MFCC 's .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "For each , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I thought , Morgan , you brought it up a couple meetings ago . And then it was something about , uh , some and then somebody said \" yeah , it does seem like , you know , C - zero is the one that 's , you know , the major one \" or , uh , s I can't remember exactly what it was now .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah . There {disfmarker} uh , actually , yeah . S um , it 's very important to normalize C - zero and {pause} much less to normalize the other coefficients . And , um , actu uh , well , at least with the current on - line normalization scheme . And we {disfmarker} I think , we {vocalsound} kind of know that normalizing C - one doesn't help with the current scheme . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} Yeah . In my idea , I {disfmarker} I was thinking that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the reason is maybe because of these funny things that happen between speech and silence which have different means . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . But maybe it 's not so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so easy to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um , I I really would like to suggest looking , um , a little bit at the kinds of errors . I know you can get lost in that and go forever and not see too much , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sometimes ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but , um , just seeing that each of these things didn't make things better may not be enough . It may be that they 're making them better in some ways and worse in others ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or increasing insertions and decreasing deletions , or {disfmarker} or , um , um , you know , helping with noisy case but hurting in quiet case . And if you saw that then maybe you {disfmarker} it would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} something would occur to you of how to deal with that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Mmm . Yeah . W um , So that 's it , I think , for the on - line normalization . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . I 've been playing a little bit with some kind of thresholding , and , mmm , as a first experiment , I think I Yeah . Well , what I did is t is to take , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to measure the average {disfmarker} no , the maximum energy of s each utterance and then put a threshold {disfmarker} Well , this for each mel band . Then put a threshold that 's fifteen DB below {disfmarker} well , uh , a couple of DB below this maximum ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Actually it was not a threshold , it was just adding noise .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So I was adding a white noise energy , uh , that 's fifteen DB below the maximum energy of the utterance . And {disfmarker} Yeah . When we look at {disfmarker} at the , um , MFCC that result from this , they are {pause} a lot more smoother . Um , when we compare , like , a channel zero and channel one utterance {disfmarker} um , so a clean and , uh , the same noisy utterance {disfmarker} well , there is almost no difference between the cepstral coefficients of the two .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um . And {disfmarker} Yeah . And the result that we have in term of speech recognition , actually it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not worse , it 's not better neither , but it 's , um , kind of surprising that it 's not worse",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "because basically you add noise that 's fifteen DB {disfmarker} just fifteen DB below {pause} the maximum energy .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "And at least {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So why does that m {pause} smooth things out ? I don't {disfmarker} I don't understand that .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's less difference . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} I think , it 's whitening {disfmarker} This {disfmarker} the portion that are more silent ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "as you add a white noise that are {disfmarker} has a very high energy , it whitens everything",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and the high - energy portion of the speech don't get much affected anyway by the other noise . And as the noise you add is the same is {disfmarker} {pause} the shape , it 's also the same .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So they have {disfmarker} the trajectory are very , very similar . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , again , if you trained in one kind of noise and tested in the same kind of noise , you 'd {disfmarker} you know , given enough training data you don't do b do badly . The reason that we d that we have the problems we have is because {pause} it 's different in training and test . Even if {vocalsound} the general kind is the same , the exact instances are different . And {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so when you whiten it , then it 's like you {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the only noise {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to first order , the only th noise that you have is white noise and you 've added the same thing to training and test .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So it 's ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So would that {pause} be similar to , like , doing the smoothing , then , over time or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's a kind of smoothing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's different .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's something that {disfmarker} yeah , that affects more or less the silence portions because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , anyway , the sp the portion of speech that ha have high energy are not ch a lot affected by the noises in the Aurora database .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if you compare th the two shut channels of SpeechDat - Car during speech portion , it 's n n n the MFCC are not very different . They are very different when energy 's lower , like during fricatives or during speech pauses . And ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but you 're still getting more recognition errors ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "which means {vocalsound} that the differences , even though they look like they 're not so big , {vocalsound} are {disfmarker} are hurting your recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it distort {vocalsound} the speech . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So performance went down ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . It didn't . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , but in this case I {disfmarker} I really expect that maybe the {disfmarker} the two {disfmarker} these two stream of features , they are very different . I mean , and maybe we could gain something by combining them",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other thing is that you just picked one particular way of doing it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , first place it 's fifteen DB , uh , {vocalsound} down across the utterance . And {vocalsound} maybe you 'd want to have something that was a little more adaptive . Secondly , you happened to pick fifteen DB",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and maybe twenty 'd be better ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} or twelve .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So what was the {disfmarker} what was the threshold part of it ? Was the threshold , uh , how far down {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , he {disfmarker} yeah , he had to figure out how much to add . So he was looking {disfmarker} he was looking at the peak value .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so what 's {disfmarker} ho I don't understand . How does it go ? If it {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if the peak value 's above some threshold , then you add the noise ? Or if it 's below s",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I systematically {comment} add the noise , but the , um , noise level is just {pause} some kind of threshold below the peak .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . Which is not really noise , actually . It 's just adding a constant to each of the mel , uh , energy .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "To each of the {pause} mel filter bank . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , it 's really , uh , white noise . I th",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So then afterwards a log is taken , and that 's so sort of why the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the little variation tends to go away .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um . Yeah . So may Well , the {disfmarker} this threshold is still a factor that we have to look at . And I don't know , maybe a constant noise addition would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} would be fine also , or {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or not constant but {disfmarker} but , uh , varying over time {pause} in fact is another way {pause} to go .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Were you using the {disfmarker} the normalization in addition to this ? I mean , what was the rest of the system ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah . It was {disfmarker} it was , uh , the same system . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It was the same system . Mmm . Oh , yeah . A third thing is that , um , {vocalsound} I play a little bit with the , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} finding what was different between , um , And there were a couple of differences , like the LDA filters were not the same . Um , he had the France Telecom blind equalization in the system . Um , the number o of MFCC that was {disfmarker} were used was different . You used thirteen and we used fifteen . Well , a bunch of differences . And , um , actually the result that he {disfmarker} he got were much better on TI - digits especially . So I 'm kind of investigated to see what was the main factor for this difference . And it seems that the LDA filter is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} was hurting . Um , {vocalsound} so when we put s some noise compensation the , um , LDA filter that {disfmarker} that 's derived from noisy speech is not more {disfmarker} anymore optimal . And it makes a big difference , um , {vocalsound} on TI - digits trained on clean . Uh , if we use the {disfmarker} the old LDA filter , I mean the LDA filter that was in the proposal , we have , like , eighty - two point seven percent recognition rate , um , on noisy speech when the system is trained on clean speech . But {disfmarker} and when we use the filter that 's derived from clean speech we jumped {disfmarker} so from eighty - two point seven to eighty - five point one , which is a huge leap .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . So now the results are more similar , and I don't {disfmarker} I will not , I think , investigate on the other differences , which is like the number of MFCC that we keep and other small things that we can I think optimize later on anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sure . But on the other hand if everybody is trying different kinds of noise suppression things and so forth , it might be good to standardize on the piece {vocalsound} that we 're not changing . Right ? So if there 's any particular reason to ha pick one or the other , I mean {disfmarker} Which {disfmarker} which one is closer to what the proposal was that was submitted to Aurora ? Are they {disfmarker} they both {disfmarker} ? Well , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} Yeah . I think th th uh , the new system that I tested is , I guess , closer because it doesn't have {disfmarker} it have less of {disfmarker} of France Telecom stuff ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You mean the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} whatever you , uh , tested with recently . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Yeah , you 're trying to add in France Telecom .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Tell them about the rest of it . Like you said the number of filters might be {vocalsound} different or something . Right ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The number of cepstral coefficients is what ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cep",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I mean , I think we 'd wanna standardize there , wouldn't we ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , sh you guys should pick something",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Well , all th all three of you .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think we were gonna work with {disfmarker} with this or this new system , or with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} right now , the {disfmarker} the system that is there in the {disfmarker} what we have in the repositories , with {disfmarker} uses fifteen .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} Yeah , so {disfmarker} Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But we will use the {disfmarker} the LDA filters f derived from clean speech . Well , yeah , actually it 's {disfmarker} it 's not the {disfmarker} the LDA filter .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's something that 's also short enough in {disfmarker} in latency .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , we haven't {disfmarker} w we have been always using , uh , fifteen coefficients ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "not thirteen ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , uh , that 's {disfmarker} something 's {disfmarker} Um . Yeah . Then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think as long as you guys agree on it , it doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think we have a maximum of sixty , {vocalsound} uh , features that we 're allowed . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ma - maybe we can {disfmarker} I mean , at least , um , I 'll t s run some experiments to see whether {disfmarker} once I have this {vocalsound} {comment} noise compensation to see whether thirteen and fifteen really matters or not .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Never tested it with the compensation , but without , {vocalsound} uh , compensation it was like fifteen was s slightly better than thirteen ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "so that 's why we stuck to thirteen .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And there is {disfmarker} there is also this log energy versus C - zero .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , fifteen . Yeah , the log energy versus C - zero .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well . W w if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the other thing . I mean , without noise compensation certainly C - zero is better than log energy . Be - I mean , because the {disfmarker} there are more , uh , mismatched conditions than the matching conditions for testing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "You know , always for the matched condition , you always get a {pause} slightly better performance for log energy than C - zero .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "But not for {disfmarker} I mean , for matched and the clean condition both , you get log energy {disfmarker} I mean you get a better performance with log energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , um , maybe once we have this noise compensation , I don't know , we have to try that also , whether we want to go for C - zero or log energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "We can see that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So do you have {pause} more , Stephane , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's it , I think . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Do you have anything , Morgan , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no . I 'm just , you know , being a manager this week . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How about you , Barry ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} still working on my {disfmarker} my quals preparation stuff . Um , {vocalsound} so I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm thinking about , um , starting some , {vocalsound} uh , cheating experiments to , uh , determine the , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the relative effectiveness of , um , some intermediate categories that I want to classify . So , for example , um , {vocalsound} if I know where voicing occurs and everything , um , {vocalsound} I would do a phone {disfmarker} um , phone recognition experiment , um , somehow putting in the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the perfect knowledge that I have about voicing . So , um , in particular I was thinking , {vocalsound} um , in {disfmarker} in the hybrid framework , just taking those LNA files , {vocalsound} and , um , {vocalsound} setting to zero those probabilities that , um {disfmarker} that these phones are not voicing . So say , like , I know this particular segment is voicing , um , {vocalsound} I would say , uh , go into the corresponding LNA file and zonk out the {disfmarker} the posteriors for , um , those phonemes that , um , are not voiced ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and then see what kinds of improvements I get . And so this would be a useful thing , um , to know {vocalsound} in terms of , like , which {disfmarker} which , um {disfmarker} which of these categories are {disfmarker} are good for , um , speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's {disfmarker} I hope to get those , uh {disfmarker} those experiments done by {disfmarker} by the time quals come {disfmarker} come around in July .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So do you just take the probabilities of the other ones and spread them out evenly among the {disfmarker} the remaining ones ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was thinking {disfmarker} OK , so just set to {disfmarker} set to some really low number , the {disfmarker} the non - voiced , um , phones .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And then renormalize .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cool . That will be really interesting to see , you know . So then you 're gonna feed the {disfmarker} those into {pause} some standard recognizer .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , wh are you gonna do digits",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , m Um , well , I 'm gonna f work with TIMIT {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? With TIMIT . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "TIMIT {disfmarker} uh , phone recognition with TIMIT .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so then you 'll feed those {disfmarker} Sorry . So where do the outputs of the net go into if you 're doing phone recognition ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Um , the outputs of the net go into the standard , h um , ICSI hybrid , um , recognizer . So maybe , um , Chronos",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "An - and you 're gonna {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} you 're gonna do phone recognition with that ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} Phone recognition . Right , right .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "OK , OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So . And , uh , another thing would be to extend this to , uh , digits or something where I can look at whole words .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I would be able to see , uh , not just , like , phoneme events , but , um , {vocalsound} inter - phoneme events . So , like , this is from a stop to {disfmarker} to a vo a vocalic",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "segment . You know , so something that is transitional in nature .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Great .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} that 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Let 's see , I haven't done a whole lot on anything related to this this week . I 've been focusing mainly on Meeting Recorder stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , um , {vocalsound} I guess I 'll just pass it on to Dave .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK . Well , in my lunch talk last week I {disfmarker} I said I 'd tried phase normalization and gotten garbage results using that l um , long - term mean subtraction approach . It turned out there was a bug in my Matlab code . So I tried it again , um , and , um , the results {vocalsound} were {disfmarker} were better . I got intelligible speech back . But they still weren't as good as just subtracting the magnitude {disfmarker} the log magnitude means . And also I 've been talking to , um , Andreas and Thilo about the , um , SmartKom language model and about coming up with a good model for , um , far mike use of the SmartKom system . So I 'm gonna be working on , um , implementing this mean subtraction approach in the {vocalsound} far - mike system {disfmarker} for the SmartKom system , I mean . And , um , one of the experiments we 're gonna do is , um , we 're gonna , um , train the {disfmarker} a Broadcast News net , which is because that 's what we 've been using so far , and , um , adapt it on some other data . Um , An - Andreas wants to use , um , data that resembles read speech , like {pause} these digit readings , because he feels that the SmartKom system interaction is not gonna be exactly conversational .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "S so actually I was wondering , how long does it take to train that Broadcast News net ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The big one takes a while . Yeah . That takes two , three weeks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Two , three weeks .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} but , you know , uh , you can get {disfmarker} I don't know if you even want to run the big one , uh , um , in the {disfmarker} in the final system , cuz , you know , it takes a little while to run it . So , {vocalsound} um , you can scale it down by {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , it was two , three weeks for training up for the large Broadcast News test set {disfmarker} training set . I don't know how much you 'd be training on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The full ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , i so if you trained on half as much {vocalsound} and made the net , uh , uh , half as big , then it would be one fourth {pause} the amount of time",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and it 'd be nearly as good . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Also , I guess we had {disfmarker} we 've had these , uh , little di discussions {disfmarker} I guess you ha haven't had a chance to work with it too much {disfmarker} about {disfmarker} about , uh {disfmarker} uh , uh m other ways of taking care of the phase . So , I mean , I {disfmarker} I guess that was something I could say would be that we 've talked a little bit about",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "you just doing it all with complex arithmetic and , uh {disfmarker} and not {disfmarker} not , uh , doing the polar representation with magnitude and phase . But {vocalsound} it looks like there 's ways that one could potentially just work with the complex numbers and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and in principle get rid of the {vocalsound} effects of the average complex spectrum . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um , actually , regarding the phase normalization {disfmarker} So I did two experiments , and one is {disfmarker} So , phases get added , modulo two pi , and {disfmarker} because you only know the phase of the complex number t t to a value modulo two pi . And so I thought at first , um , that , uh , what I should do is unwrap the phase because that will undo that . Um , but I actually got worse results doing that unwrapping using the simple phase unwrapper that 's in Matlab than I did not unwrapping at all .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . P So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And that 's all I have to say .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm still hopeful that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} I mean , we {disfmarker} we don't even know if the phase {vocalsound} is something {disfmarker} the average phase is something that we do want to remove . I mean , maybe there 's some deeper reason why it isn't the right thing to do . But , um , at least in principle it looks like there 's {disfmarker} there 's , uh , a couple potential ways to do it . One {disfmarker} one being to just work with the complex numbers , um , and , uh {disfmarker} in rectangular kind of coordinates . And the other is {vocalsound} to , uh , do a Taylor series {disfmarker} Well . So you work with the complex numbers and then when you get the spectrum {disfmarker} the average complex spectrum {disfmarker} um , actually divide it out , um , as opposed to taking the log and subtracting . So then , um , um , you know , there might be some numerical issues . We don't really know that . The other thing we talked a little bit about was Taylor series expansion . And , um , uh , actually I was talking to Dick Karp about it a little bit , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , since I got thinking about it , and {disfmarker} and , uh , so one thing is that y you 'd have to do , I think , uh {disfmarker} we may have to do this on a whiteboard , but I think you have to be a little careful about scaling the numbers that you 're {vocalsound} taking {disfmarker} the complex numbers that you 're taking the log of because {vocalsound} the Taylor expansion for it has , you know , a square and a cube , and {disfmarker} and so forth . And {disfmarker} and so if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you have a {disfmarker} a number that is modulus , you know , uh , very different from one {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It should be right around one , if it 's {disfmarker} cuz it 's a expansion of log one {disfmarker} one minus epsilon or o is {disfmarker} is {vocalsound} one plus epsilon , or is it one plus {disfmarker} ? Well , there 's an epsilon squared over two and an epsilon cubed over three ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and so forth . So if epsilon is bigger than one , then it diverges .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So you have to do some scaling . But that 's not a big deal cuz it 's the log of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of K times a complex number , then you can just {disfmarker} that 's the same as log of K plus {vocalsound} log of the complex number .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "converges . But .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . OK . How about you , Sunil ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So , um , I 've been , uh , implementing this , uh , Wiener filtering for this Aurora task . And , uh , I {disfmarker} I actually thought it was {disfmarker} it was doing fine when I tested it once . I it 's , like , using a small section of the code . And then I ran the whole recognition experiment with Italian and I got , {vocalsound} like , worse results than not using it . Then I {disfmarker} So , I 've been trying to find where the problem came from . And then it looks like I have some problem in the way {disfmarker} there is some {disfmarker} some very silly bug somewhere . And , ugh ! I {disfmarker} I mean , i uh , it actually {disfmarker} i it actually made the whole thing worse . I was looking at the spectrograms that I got and it 's , like {disfmarker} w it 's {disfmarker} it 's very horrible . Like , when I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I missed the v I 'm sorry , I was {disfmarker} I was distracted . I missed the very first sentence . So then , I 'm a little lost on the rest .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . I actually implemented the Wiener f f fil filtering as a module and then tested it out separately .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I see . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it gave , like {disfmarker} I just got the signal out and it {disfmarker} it was OK . So , I plugged it in somewhere and then {disfmarker} I mean , it 's like I had to remove some part and then plugging it in somewhere . And then I {disfmarker} in that process I messed it up somewhere .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So . So , it was real I mean , I thought it was all fine and then I ran it , and I got something worse than not using it . So , I was like {disfmarker} I 'm trying to find where the m m problem came ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and it seems to be , like , somewhere {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "some silly stuff . And , um , the other thing , uh , was , uh , uh {disfmarker} Well , Hynek showed up one {disfmarker} suddenly on one day and then I was t talking wi",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . As {disfmarker} as he is wont to do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . So I was actually {disfmarker} that day I was thinking about d doing something about the Wiener filtering , and then Carlos matter of stuff . And then he showed up and then I told him . And then he gave me a whole bunch of filters {disfmarker} what Carlos used for his , uh , uh , thesis and then {vocalsound} that was something which came up . And then , um {disfmarker} So , uh , I 'm actually , {vocalsound} uh , thinking of using that also in this , uh , W Wiener filtering because that is a m modified Wiener filtering approach , where instead of using the current frame , it uses {vocalsound} adjacent frames also in designing the Wiener filter . So instead of designing our own new Wiener filters , I may just use one of those Carlos filters in {disfmarker} in this implementation",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and see whether it {disfmarker} it actually gives me something better than using just the current f current frame , which is in a way , uh , something like the smoothing {disfmarker} the Wiener filter {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but @ @ {disfmarker} S so , I don't know , I was h I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm , like {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} so that is the next thing . Once this {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} once I sort this pro uh , problem out maybe I 'll just go into that also . And the {disfmarker} the other thing was about the subspace approach . So , um , I , like , plugged some groupings for computing this eigen uh , uh , uh , s values and eigenvectors . So just {disfmarker} I just @ @ some small block of things which I needed to put together for the subspace approach . And I 'm in the process of , like , building up that stuff . And , um , uh {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} Yeah . I guess {disfmarker} Yep . I guess that 's it . And , uh , th th that 's where I am right now . So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . How about you , Carmen ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . I 'm working with VTS . Um , I do several experiment with the Spanish database first , only with VTS and nothing more . Not VAD , no LDA , nothing more .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what is VTS again ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "New {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Eh , Vectorial Taylor Series .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "To remove the noise too .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , right . I think I ask you that every single meeting , don't I ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I ask you that question every meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , that 'd be good from {disfmarker} for analysis .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's good to have some , uh , cases of the same utterance at different {disfmarker} different times .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "\" What is VTS ? \"",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "VTS . I 'm sor Well , um , the question is that {disfmarker} Well . Remove some noise but not too much . And when we put the {disfmarker} m m the , em , VAD , the result is better . And we put everything , the result is better , but it 's not better than the result that we have without VTS . No , no .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see . So that @ @ {comment} given that you 're using the VAD also , the effect of the VTS is not {pause} so far {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is not .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Do you {disfmarker} How much of that do you think is due to just the particular implementation and how much you 're adjusting it ? Or how much do you think is intrinsic to {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Pfft . I don't know because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Are you still using only the ten first frame for noise estimation",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Hhh ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Or i ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I do the experiment using only the f onl eh , to use on only one fair estimation of the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And also I did some experiment , {vocalsound} uh , doing , um , a lying estimation of the noise . And , well , it 's a little bit better but not {disfmarker} n",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you have to standardize this thing also , noise estimation , because all the thing that you are testing use a different {disfmarker} They all need some {disfmarker} some noise {disfmarker} noise spectra",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . No , I do that two {disfmarker} t did two time .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but they use {disfmarker} every {disfmarker} all use a different one .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I have an idea . If {disfmarker} if , uh , uh , y you 're right . I mean , each of these require this . Um , given that we 're going to have for this test at least of {disfmarker} uh , boundaries , what if initially we start off by using {pause} known sections of nonspeech {pause} for the estimation ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? S so , e um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "first place , I mean even if ultimately we wouldn't be given the boundaries , {vocalsound} uh , this would be a good initial experiment to separate out the effects of things . I mean , how much is the poor {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , relatively , uh , unhelpful result that you 're getting in this or this or this is due to some inherent limitation to the method for these tasks and how much of it is just due to the fact that you 're not accurately {vocalsound} finding enough regions that {disfmarker} that are really {vocalsound} n noise ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Um . So maybe if you tested it using that , {vocalsound} you 'd have more reliable {pause} stretches of nonspeech to do the estimation from and see if that helps .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Another thing is the , em {disfmarker} the codebook , the initial codebook . That maybe , well , it 's too clean and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's a {disfmarker} I don't know . The methods {disfmarker} If you want , you c I can say something about the method .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . In the {disfmarker} Because it 's {vocalsound} a little bit different of the other method . Well , we have {disfmarker} If this {disfmarker} if this is the noise signal , {nonvocalsound} uh , in the log domain , we have something like this . Now , we have something like this . And the idea of these methods is to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} n given a , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How do you say ? I will read because it 's better for my English . I i given is the estimate of the PDF of the noise signal when we have a , um , a statistic of the clean speech and an statistic of the noisy speech . And the clean speech {disfmarker} the statistic of the clean speech is {pause} from a {pause} codebook . Mmm ? This is the idea . Well , like , this relation is not linear . The methods propose to develop this in a vectorial Taylor series {pause} approximation .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I I 'm actually just confused about {pause} the equations you have up there . So , uh , the top equation is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , this in the {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} this is the log domain . I {disfmarker} I must to say that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Which is {disfmarker} which is the log domain ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is the T {disfmarker} is egual {disfmarker} {comment} is equal to , uh , log of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} but Y is what ? Y of {disfmarker} the spectrum",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this {disfmarker} this is this",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and this is this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . The top Y is what ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is that power spectrum ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is the noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "p s this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "No , is that power spectrum ? Is it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I guess it 's the power spectrum of noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's the power spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So that 's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is the noisy {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "of the value {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . So this {disfmarker} it 's the magnitude squared or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so you have power spectrum added there and down here you have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you put the {disfmarker} depends on T , but {disfmarker} b all of this is just {disfmarker} you just mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "w o Yeah . It 's the same .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you just mean the log of the {disfmarker} of the one up above .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , so that is X times ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "One {disfmarker} one plus N by X .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "o",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But , n Well , y we can expre we can put this expression {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "X times one plus , uh , N {disfmarker} uh , N {disfmarker} N {disfmarker} N minus X ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh {disfmarker} So that 's log of X plus log of one plus , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And the noise signal .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well . Is that right ? Log of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "One plus N by X .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I actually don't see how you get that . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , if we apply the log , we have E is n",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , log {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} E is equal , oh , to log of X plus N .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , well ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , log of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh , we can say that E {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} is equal to log of , {nonvocalsound} {nonvocalsound} um , exponential of X plus exponential of N .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That doesn't follow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , if E restricts {disfmarker} It is y",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is {disfmarker} this is in the ti the time domain . Well , we have that , um {disfmarker} We have first that , for example , X is equal , uh {disfmarker} Well . This is the frequency domain",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and we can put {vocalsound} u that n the log domain {disfmarker} log of X omega , but , well , in the time domain we have an exponential . No ? No ? Oh , maybe it 's I am {disfmarker} I 'm problem .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , just never mind what they are . Uh , it 's just if X and N are variables {disfmarker} Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What is , uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the log of X plus N is not the same as the log of E to the X plus E to the N .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But this i Well , I don't {disfmarker} Well , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can take it off - line ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I can do this incorrectly . Well , the expression that appear in the {disfmarker} in the paper , {nonvocalsound} is , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The log {disfmarker} the Taylor series expansion for log one plus N by X is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is it the first - order expansion ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "is X {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I i",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the first one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . Cuz it doesn't just follow what 's there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It has to be some , uh , Taylor series {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah . If {disfmarker} if you take log X into log one plus N by X , and then expand the log one plus N by X into Taylor series {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Now , this is the {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but the {disfmarker} the second {pause} expression that you put is the first - order expansion of the nonlinear relation between {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Not exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no . It 's not the first space . Well , we have {disfmarker} pfft , uh , em {disfmarker} Well , we can put that X is equal {disfmarker} I is equal to log of , uh , mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That doesn't follow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can put , uh , this ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} I mean , that {disfmarker} the f top one does not {pause} imply the second one . Because {disfmarker} cuz the log of a sum is not the same as {pause} th",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The top ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But we can {disfmarker} uh , we {disfmarker} we know that , for example , the log of {vocalsound} E plus B is equal to log of E plus log to B .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we can say here , it i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . So you could s",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What is that ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And we can , uh , put this inside .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then we can , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "N no ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't see how you get the second expression from the top one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I mean , just more generally here , {vocalsound} if you say \" log of , um , A plus B \" , the log of {disfmarker} log of A plus B is not {disfmarker} or A plus B is not the , um , log of E to the A plus E to the B .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , no , no , no , no . This not .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And that 's what you seem to be saying .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . No . It 's not . But this is the same {disfmarker} oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Cuz you {disfmarker} cuz you {disfmarker} up here you have the A plus B {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . I say if I apply log , I have , uh , log of E is equal to log of , uh {disfmarker} in this side , is equal to log of X",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Plus N .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "plus N .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then how do you go from there to the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is right . And then if I apply exponential , to have here E {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Look . OK , so let 's {disfmarker} I mean , C equals A plus B ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's log o of capital Y . Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Capital {pause} Y .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "X . X . This is X , inside .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We have this , no ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That one 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "One and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "S uh , i th we can put here the set transformation .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK , I understand now . Alright , thanks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . In this case , well , we can put here a {nonvocalsound} Y .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , yeah . It 's just by definition {pause} that the individual {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that the , uh {disfmarker} So , capital X is by definition the same as E to the little X because she 's saying that the little X is {disfmarker} is the , uh {disfmarker} is the log . Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Now we can put this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And here we can multiply by X .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think these things are a lot clearer when you can use fonts {disfmarker} different fonts there",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so you know which is which . But I {disfmarker} I under I understand what you mean now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . That 's true . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But this {disfmarker} this is correct ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And now I can do it , uh {disfmarker} pfff ! I can put log {nonvocalsound} of EX {vocalsound} plus log {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yes . I understand now . And that 's where it comes from .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Now it 's correct .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well . The idea {disfmarker} Well , we have fixed this equa",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So now once you get that {disfmarker} that one , then you {disfmarker} then you do a first or second - order , or something , Taylor {vocalsound} series expansion of this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is another linear relation that this {disfmarker} to develop this in {vocalsound} vector s Taylor series .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And for that , well , the goal is to obtain , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} est estimate a PDF for the noisy speech when we have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a statistic for clean speech and for the noisy speech . Mmm ? And when w the way to obtain the PDF for the noisy speech is {disfmarker} well , we know this statistic and we know the noisy st well , we can apply first order of the vector st Taylor series of the {disfmarker} of the {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} well , the order that we want , increase the complexity of the problem .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then when we have a expression , uh , for the {vocalsound} mean and variance of the noisy speech , we apply a technique of minimum mean - square estimation",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "to obtain the expected value of the clean speech given the {disfmarker} this {vocalsound} statistic for the noisy speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "the statistic for clean speech and the statistic of the noisy speech . This only that . But the idea is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} the model of clean speech is a codebook . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "u Yeah . We have our codebook with different density {vocalsound} Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We can expre we can put that the {vocalsound} PDF {comment} for the clean test , probability of the clean speech is equal to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , um , how {disfmarker} h how much {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the work they reported , how much noisy speech did you need to get , uh , good enough statistics for the {disfmarker} to get this mapping ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I need to s",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I think what 's certainly characteristic of a lot of the {pause} data in this test is that , um , you don't have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the training set may not be a {disfmarker} a great estimator for the noise in the test set . Sometimes it is and sometimes it 's not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} the clean speech {disfmarker} the codebook for clean speech , I am using TIMIT . And I have now , uh , sixty - four {nonvocalsound} Gaus - Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . And what are you using for the noisy {disfmarker} ? Y y doing that strictly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Of the noise {disfmarker} I estimate the noises wi",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , for the noises I only use one Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and you {disfmarker} and you train it up entirely from , uh , nonspeech sections in the test ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yes . The first experiment that I do it is solely to calculate the , mmm {disfmarker} well , this value {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh , the compensation of the dictionary o one time using the {disfmarker} the noise at the f beginning of the sentence .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is the first experiment .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And I fix this for all the {disfmarker} all the sentences . Uh , because {disfmarker} well , the VTS methods {disfmarker} In fact the first thing that I do is to {disfmarker} to obtain , uh , an expression for E {disfmarker} probability e expression of {disfmarker} of E . That mean that the VTS {disfmarker} mmm , with the VTS we obtain , uh {disfmarker} well , we {disfmarker} we obtain the means for each Gaussian {comment} and the variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is one . Eh , this is the composition of the dictionary .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This one thing . And the other thing that this {disfmarker} with these methods is to , uh , obtain {disfmarker} to calculate this value .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because we can write {disfmarker} uh , we can write that {vocalsound} the estimation of the clean speech is equal at an expected value of the clean speech conditional to , uh , the noise signal {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the probability f of the {disfmarker} the statistic of the clean speech and the statistic of the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is the methods that say that we 're going obtain this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we can put that this is equal to the estimated value of E minus a function that conditional to E to the T {disfmarker} to the noise signal . Well , this is {disfmarker} this function is the {vocalsound} the term {disfmarker} after develop this , the term that we {disfmarker} we take . Give PX and , uh , P the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "X K C noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And I can {vocalsound} put that this is equal to {pause} the {pause} noise signal minus {disfmarker} Well , I put before {pause} this name , uh {disfmarker} And I can calculate this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What is the first variable in that probability ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , this is the Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . I 'm sorry . In {disfmarker} in the one you pointed at . What 's that variable ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "v Uh , this is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Weak . So probably it {disfmarker} it would do that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "like this ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's one mixture of the model . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "but conditional . No , it 's condition it 's not exactly this . It 's modify . Uh , if we have clean speech {disfmarker} we have the dictionary for the clean speech , we have a probability f of {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} our weight for each Gaussian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No . And now , this weight is different now",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because it 's conditional . And this I need to {disfmarker} to calcu I know this",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I know this because this is from the dictionary that you have .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I need to calculate this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And for calculate this , {vocalsound} I have an {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can develop an expression that is",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's overlapping .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "that . I can calculate {disfmarker} I can {disfmarker} I calculated this value , {vocalsound} uh , with the statistic of the noisy speech that I calculated before with the VTS approximation .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} well , normalizing . And I know everything . Uh , with the , nnn {disfmarker} when I develop this in s Taylor {disfmarker} Taylor series , I can't , um , {vocalsound} calculate the mean and the variance {vocalsound} of the {disfmarker} for each of the Gaussian of the dictionary for the noisy speech . Now . And this is fixed .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If I never do an estimat a newer estimation of the noise , this mean as {disfmarker} mean and the variance are fixed .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And for each s uh , frame of the speech the only thing that I need to do is to calculate this in order to calculate the estimation of the clean speech given our noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not following this perfectly but , um , I {disfmarker} Are you saying that all of these estimates are done {pause} using , um , estimates of the probability density for the noise that are calculated only from the first ten frames ? And never change throughout anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Never cha This is one of the approximations that I am doing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Per {disfmarker} per {disfmarker} per utterance , or per {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Per utterance . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Per utterance . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Per utterance . Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's done {disfmarker} it 's done new for each new utterance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And th",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this changes the whole mapping for every utterance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's not {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's fixed , the dictionary .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And the other estimation is when I do the uh on - line estimation , I change the means and variance of th for the noisy speech",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "each time that I detect noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I do it uh again this develop . Estimate the new mean and the variance of the noisy speech . And with th with this new s new mean and variance I estimate again this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you estimated , uh , f completely forgetting what you had before ? Uh , or is there some adaptation ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , no , no , no . It 's not completely {disfmarker} No , it 's {disfmarker} I am doing something like an adaptation of the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Now do we know , either from their experience or from yours , that , uh , just having , uh , two parameters , the {disfmarker} the mean and variance , is enough ? Yeah . I mean , I know you don't have a lot of data to estimate with , but {disfmarker} but , uh , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I estimate mean and variance for each one of the Gaussian of the codebook .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , I 'm talking about the noise .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There 's only one Gaussian .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "um . Well , only one {disfmarker} I am only {disfmarker} using only one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know i",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And you {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and it 's , uh , uh {disfmarker} right , it 's only {disfmarker} it 's only one {disfmarker} Wait a minute . This is {disfmarker} what 's the dimensionality of the Gaussian ? This is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it 's in {disfmarker} after the mel filter bank .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this is twenty or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Twenty - three .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Twenty ? So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . So it 's actually forty numbers {pause} that you 're getting . Yeah , maybe {disfmarker} maybe you don't have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , the original paper say that only one Gaussian for the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . But , I mean , {vocalsound} no {disfmarker} no paper is {disfmarker} is a Bible ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe isn't the right thing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know . This is {disfmarker} this is , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The question is , um , {vocalsound} whether it would be helpful , i particularly if you used {disfmarker} if you had more {disfmarker} So , suppose you did {disfmarker} This is almost cheating . It certainly isn't real - time . But if y suppose you use the real boundaries that {disfmarker} that you were {disfmarker} in fact were given {vocalsound} by the VAD and so forth or I {disfmarker} I guess we 're gonna be given even better boundaries than that . And you look {disfmarker} you take all o all of the nonspeech components in an utterance , so you have a fair amount . Do you benefit from having a better model for the noise ? That would be another question .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So first question would be {vocalsound} to what extent i are the errors that you 're still seeing {vocalsound} based on the fact that you have poor boundaries for the , uh , uh , nonspeech ? And the second question might be , given that you have good boundaries , could you do better if you used more parameters to characterize the noise ? Um . Also another question might be {disfmarker} Um , they are doing {disfmarker} they 're using first term only of the vector Taylor series ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , if you do a second term does it get too complicated cuz of the nonlinearity ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's quite complicated .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . No , I won't ask the next question then .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker} for me it 's the first time that I am working with VTS .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , it 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , w we haven't had anybody work with it before , so it 's interesting to get your {disfmarker} get your feedback about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's another type of approximation because i because it 's a statistic {disfmarker} statistic approximation to remove the noise . I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Great . OK . Well , I guess we 're about done . Um , so some of the digit forms don't have digits . Uh , {vocalsound} we ran out there were some blanks in there , so not everybody will be reading digits . But , um , I guess you 've got some . Right , Morgan ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I have some .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , why don't you go ahead and start . And I think it 's {pause} just us down here at this end that have them .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "um",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S so , we switch off with this",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Whenever you 're ready .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "or n ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , leave it on ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "They prefer to have them on",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "just so that they 're continuing to get the distant , uh , information .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . S",
"speaker": "Professor B"
}
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"answer": "The meeting began with a short introduction to Hans Guenter, who was arriving soon and would be visiting for a few weeks. The team then discussed integrating mean log magnitude spectral subtraction into the SmartKom system. It seemed, however, that lengthening the time for this task was not very effective. The team also learned more about Wiener filtering which worked well when mixed with other approaches. It was almost as effective as the best systems. The team then delved into spectral subtraction and discussed the various ways in which it could be refined. The meeting ended with comments on the additional latency that was caused by this method.",
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"answer": "The log magnitude spectral subtraction used twelve seconds from the past and future to calculate the mean. The short window did not have a big effect on the model performance, which was much desired. The silence, for the most part, had been cut out to make the model more effective. The professor added that the system was similar to caching utterances.",
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"answer": "The professor suggested that the model essentially improved performance after the first utterance as it had more data. There was a higher error probability for the first utterance. This issue could potentially be resolved using a second-pass system, in which the initial utterance was processed differently.",
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"answer": "Grad E thought that the idea of doing mean log magnitude spectral subtraction was figuring out the effect of training time on the model performance. It seemed that longer times had diminishing returns after a certain point.",
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{
"content": "OK , we 're going .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Damn .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And uh Hans - uh , Hans - Guenter will be here , um , I think by next {disfmarker} next Tuesday or so .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So he 's {disfmarker} he 's going to be here for about three weeks ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! That 's nice .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just for a visit ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and , uh {disfmarker} Uh , we 'll see .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We might {disfmarker} might end up with some longer collaboration or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So he 's gonna look in on everything we 're doing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and give us his {disfmarker} his thoughts . And so it 'll be another {disfmarker} another good person looking at things .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Th - that 's his spectral subtraction group ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So I guess I should probably talk to him a bit too ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . No , he 'll be around for three weeks . He 's , uh , um , very , very , easygoing , easy to talk to , and , uh , very interested in everything .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Really nice guy .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we met him in Amsterdam .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , he 's been here before .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Wh - Back when I was a grad student he was here for a , uh , uh {disfmarker} a year or {comment} n six months .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I haven't noticed him .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "N nine months .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . He 's {disfmarker} he 's done a couple stays here .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , um , {vocalsound} {comment} I guess we got lots to catch up on . And we haven't met for a couple of weeks . We didn't meet last week , Morgan . Um , I went around and talked to everybody , and it seemed like they {disfmarker} they had some new results but rather than them coming up and telling me I figured we should just wait a week and they can tell both {disfmarker} you know , all of us . So , um , why don't we {disfmarker} why don't we start with you , Dave , and then , um , we can go on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , since we 're looking at putting this , um {disfmarker} mean log m magnitude spectral subtraction , um , into the SmartKom system , I I did a test seeing if , um , it would work using past only {comment} and plus the present to calculate the mean . So , I did a test , um , {vocalsound} where I used twelve seconds from the past and the present frame to , um , calculate the mean . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Twelve seconds {disfmarker} Twelve {disfmarker} twelve seconds back from the current {pause} frame , is that what you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Twelve seconds , um , counting back from the end of the current frame ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So it was , um , twen I think it was twenty - one frames and that worked out to about twelve seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And compared to , um , do using a twelve second centered window , I think there was a drop in performance but it was just a slight drop .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is that right ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , I mean , it was pretty {disfmarker} it was pretty tiny . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . So that was encouraging . And , um , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} um , that 's encouraging for {disfmarker} for the idea of using it in an interactive system like And , um , another issue I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm thinking about is in the SmartKom system . So say twe twelve seconds in the earlier test seemed like a good length of time , but what happens if you have less than twelve seconds ? And , um {disfmarker} So I w bef before , um {disfmarker} Back in May , I did some experiments using , say , two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds . In those I trained the models using mean subtraction with the means calculated over two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds . And , um , here , I was curious , what if I trained the models using twelve seconds but I f I gave it a situation where the test set I was {disfmarker} subtracted using two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds . And , um {disfmarker} So I did that for about three different conditions . And , um {disfmarker} I mean , I th I think it was , um , four se I think {disfmarker} I think it was , um , something like four seconds and , um , six seconds , and eight seconds . Something like that . And it seems like it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it hurts compared to if you actually train the models {comment} using th that same length of time but it {disfmarker} it doesn't hurt that much . Um , u usually less than point five percent , although I think I did see one where it was a point eight percent or so rise in word error rate . But this is , um , w where , um , even if I train on the , uh , model , and mean subtracted it with the same length of time as in the test , it {disfmarker} the word error rate is around , um , ten percent or nine percent . So it doesn't seem like that big a d a difference .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} but looking at it the other way , isn't it {disfmarker} what you 're saying that it didn't help you to have the longer time for training , if you were going to have a short time for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's true . Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , why would you do it , if you knew that you were going to have short windows in testing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Wa",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it seems like for your {disfmarker} I mean , in normal situations you would never get twelve seconds of speech , right ? I 'm not {disfmarker} e u",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You need twelve seconds in the past to estimate , right ? Or l or you 're looking at six sec {disfmarker} seconds in future and six in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , t twelve s",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , total .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "N n uh {disfmarker} For the test it 's just twelve seconds in the past .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's all {disfmarker} Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is this twelve seconds of {disfmarker} uh , regardless of speech or silence ? Or twelve seconds of speech ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Of {disfmarker} of speech .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The other thing , um , which maybe relates a little bit to something else we 've talked about in terms of windowing and so on is , that , um , I wonder if you trained with twelve seconds , and then when you were two seconds in you used two seconds , and when you were four seconds in , you used four seconds , and when you were six {disfmarker} and you basically build up to the twelve seconds . So that if you have very long utterances you have the best ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but if you have shorter utterances you use what you can .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right . And that 's actually what we 're planning to do in",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} s so I g So I guess the que the question I was trying to get at with those experiments is , \" does it matter what models you use ? Does it matter how much time y you use to calculate the mean when you were , um , tra doing the training data ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right . But I mean the other thing is that that 's {disfmarker} I mean , the other way of looking at this , going back to , uh , mean cepstral subtraction versus RASTA kind of things , is that you could look at mean cepstral subtraction , especially the way you 're doing it , uh , as being a kind of filter . And so , the other thing is just to design a filter . You know , basically you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're doing a high - pass filter or a band - pass filter of some sort and {disfmarker} and just design a filter . And then , you know , a filter will have a certain behavior and you loo can look at the start up behavior when you start up with nothing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and , you know , it will , uh , if you have an IIR filter for instance , it will , um , uh , not behave in the steady - state way that you would like it to behave until you get a long enough period , but , um , uh , by just constraining yourself to have your filter be only a subtraction of the mean , you 're kind of , you know , tying your hands behind your back because there 's {disfmarker} filters have all sorts of be temporal and spectral behaviors .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And the only thing , you know , consistent that we know about is that you want to get rid of the very low frequency component .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But do you really want to calculate the mean ? And you neglect all the silence regions {comment} or you just use everything that 's twelve seconds , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , you {disfmarker} do you mean in my tests so far ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ye - yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Most of the silence has been cut out .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} There 's just inter - word silences .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And they are , like , pretty short . Shor",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Pretty short .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm . So you really need a lot of speech to estimate the mean of it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , if I only use six seconds , it still works pretty well .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I saw in my test before . I was trying twelve seconds cuz that was the best {pause} in my test before",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and that increasing past twelve seconds didn't seem to help .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "th um , yeah , I guess it 's something I need to play with more to decide how to set that up for the SmartKom system . Like , may maybe if I trained on six seconds it would work better when I only had two seconds or four seconds , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and again , if you take this filtering perspective and if you essentially have it build up over time . I mean , if you computed means over two and then over four , and over six , essentially what you 're getting at is a kind of , uh , ramp up of a filter anyway . And so you may {disfmarker} may just want to think of it as a filter . But , uh , if you do that , then , um , in practice somebody using the SmartKom system , one would think {comment} {disfmarker} if they 're using it for a while , it means that their first utterance , instead of , you know , getting , uh , a forty percent error rate reduction , they 'll get a {disfmarker} uh , over what , uh , you 'd get without this , uh , um , policy , uh , you get thirty percent . And then the second utterance that you give , they get the full {disfmarker} you know , uh , full benefit of it if it 's this ongoing thing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so you {disfmarker} you cache the utterances ? That 's how you get your , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm saying in practice , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "M",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Ah . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} If somebody 's using a system to ask for directions or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you know , they 'll say something first . And {disfmarker} and to begin with if it doesn't get them quite right , ma m maybe they 'll come back and say , \" excuse me ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , or some {disfmarker} I mean it should have some policy like that anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and , uh , uh , in any event they might ask a second question . And it 's not like what he 's doing doesn't , uh , improve things . It does improve things , just not as much as he would like . And so , uh , there 's a higher probability of it making an error , uh , in the first utterance .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What would be really cool is if you could have {disfmarker} uh , this probably {disfmarker} users would never like this {disfmarker} but if you had {disfmarker} could have a system where , {vocalsound} before they began to use it they had to introduce themselves , verbally .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You know . \" Hi , my name is so - and - so ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm from blah - blah - blah . \" And you could use that initial speech to do all these adaptations and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , the other thing I guess which {disfmarker} which , uh , I don't know much about {disfmarker} as much as I should about the rest of the system but {disfmarker} but , um , couldn't you , uh , if you {disfmarker} if you sort of did a first pass I don't know what kind of , uh , uh , capability we have at the moment for {disfmarker} for doing second passes on {disfmarker} on , uh , uh , some kind of little {disfmarker} small lattice , or a graph , or confusion network , or something . But if you did first pass with , um , the {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} either without the mean sub subtraction or with a {disfmarker} a very short time one , and then , um , once you , uh , actually had the whole utterance in , if you did , um , the , uh , uh , longer time version then , based on everything that you had , um , and then at that point only used it to distinguish between , you know , top N , um , possible utterances or something , you {disfmarker} you might {disfmarker} it might not take very much time . I mean , I know in the large vocabulary stu uh , uh , systems , people were evaluating on in the past , some people really pushed everything in to make it in one pass but other people didn't and had multiple passes . And , um , the argument , um , against multiple passes was u u has often been \" but we want to this to be r you know {disfmarker} have a nice interactive response \" . And the counterargument to that which , say , uh , BBN I think had , {comment} was \" yeah , but our second responses are {disfmarker} second , uh , passes and third passes are really , really fast \" .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um , if {disfmarker} if your second pass takes a millisecond who cares ? Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S so , um , the {disfmarker} the idea of the second pass would be waiting till you have more recorded speech ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so if it turned out to be a problem , that you didn't have enough speech because you need a longer {disfmarker} longer window to do this processing , then , uh , one tactic is {disfmarker} you know , looking at the larger system and not just at the front - end stuff {comment} {disfmarker} is to take in , um , the speech with some simpler mechanism or shorter time mechanism ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um , do the best you can , and come up with some al possible alternates of what might have been said . And , uh , either in the form of an N - best list or in the form of a lattice , or {disfmarker} or confusion network , or whatever .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And then the decoding of that is much , much faster or can be much , much faster if it isn't a big bushy network . And you can decode that now with speech that you 've actually processed using this longer time , uh , subtraction .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's common that people do this sort of thing where they do more things that are more complex or require looking over more time , whatever , in some kind of second pass .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "um , and again , if the second pass is really , really fast {disfmarker} Uh , another one I 've heard of is {disfmarker} is in {disfmarker} in connected digit stuff , um , going back and l and through backtrace and finding regions that are considered to be a d a digit , but , uh , which have very low energy .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker} I mean , there 's lots of things you can do in second passes , at all sorts of levels . Anyway , I 'm throwing too many things out . But .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So is that , uh {disfmarker} that it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess that 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK , uh , do you wanna go , Sunil ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Um , so , the last two weeks was , like {disfmarker} So I 've been working on that Wiener filtering . And , uh , found that , uh , s single {disfmarker} like , I just do a s normal Wiener filtering , like the standard method of Wiener filtering . And that doesn't actually give me any improvement over like {disfmarker} I mean , uh , b it actually improves over the baseline but it 's not like {disfmarker} it doesn't meet something like fifty percent or something . So , I 've been playing with the v",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Improves over the base line MFCC system ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So , um {disfmarker} So that 's {disfmarker} The improvement is somewhere around , like , thirty percent over the baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is that using {disfmarker} in combination with something else ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , just {disfmarker} just one stage Wiener filter",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "With {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "which is a standard Wiener filter .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , but I mean in combination with our on - line normalization or with the LDA ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . So I just plug in the Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in the s in our system , where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , I di i di",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , does it g does that mean it gets worse ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No . It actually improves over the baseline of not having a Wiener filter in the whole system . Like I have an LDA f LDA plus on - line normalization , and then I plug in the Wiener filter in that ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so it improves over not having the Wiener filter . So it improves but it {disfmarker} it doesn't take it like be beyond like thirty percent over the baseline . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But that 's what I 'm confused about , cuz I think {disfmarker} I thought that our system was more like forty percent without the Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's like , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is this with the v new VAD ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "well , these are not {disfmarker} No , it 's the old VAD . So my baseline was , {vocalsound} uh , {vocalsound} nine {disfmarker} This is like {disfmarker} w the baseline is ninety - five point six eight , and eighty - nine , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I mean , if you can do all these in word errors it 's a lot {disfmarker} a lot easier actually .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "What was that ? Sorry ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If you do all these in word error rates it 's a lot easier , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK , OK , OK . Errors , right , I don't have .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , cuz then you can figure out the percentages .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's all accuracies .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The baseline is something similar to a w I mean , the t the {disfmarker} the baseline that you are talking about is the MFCC baseline , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The t yeah , there are two baselines .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So the baseline {disfmarker} One baseline is MFCC baseline that {disfmarker} When I said thirty percent improvement it 's like MFCC baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so what 's it start on ? The MFCC baseline is {disfmarker} is what ? Is at what level ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's the {disfmarker} it 's just the mel frequency and that 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , what 's {disfmarker} what 's the number ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so I I don't have that number here . OK , OK , OK , I have it here . Uh , it 's the VAD plus the baseline actually . I 'm talking about the {disfmarker} the MFCC plus I do a frame dropping on it . So that 's like {disfmarker} the word error rate is like four point three . Like {disfmarker} Ten point seven .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Four point three . What 's ten point seven ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's a medium misma OK , sorry . There 's a well ma well matched , medium mismatched , and a high matched .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I don't have the {disfmarker} like the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , four point three , ten point seven ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And forty forty .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Forty percent is the high mismatch .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And that becomes like four point three {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Not changed .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's like ten point one . Still the same . And the high mismatch is like eighteen point five .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Eighteen point five .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Five .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And what were you just describing ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , the one is {disfmarker} this one is just the baseline plus the , uh , Wiener filter plugged into it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But where 's the , uh , on - line normalization and so on ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Sorry . So , with the {disfmarker} with the on - line normalization , the performance was , um , ten {disfmarker} OK , so it 's like four point three . Uh , and again , that 's the ba the ten point , uh , four and twenty point one . That was with on - line normalization and LDA . So the h well matched has like literally not changed by adding on - line or LDA on it . But the {disfmarker} I mean , even the medium mismatch is pretty much the same . And the high mismatch was improved by twenty percent absolute .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , and what kind of number {disfmarker} an and what are we talking about here ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's the It - it 's Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is this TI - digits",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I 'm talking about Italian ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} Italian ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And what did {disfmarker} So , what was the , um , uh , corresponding number , say , for , um , uh , the Alcatel system for instance ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . ",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it looks to be , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You have it ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep , it 's three point four , uh , eight point , uh , seven , and , uh , thirteen point seven .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , this is the single stage Wiener filter , with {disfmarker} The noise estimation was based on first ten frames .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Actually I started with {disfmarker} using the VAD to estimate the noise and then I found that it works {disfmarker} it doesn't work for Finnish and Spanish because the VAD endpoints are not good to estimate the noise because it cuts into the speech sometimes , so I end up overestimating the noise and getting a worse result . So it works only for Italian by u for {disfmarker} using a VAD to estimate noise .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It works for Italian because the VAD was trained on Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker} so this was , uh {disfmarker} And so this was giving {disfmarker} um , this {disfmarker} this was like not improving a lot on this baseline of not having the Wiener filter on it . And , so , uh , I ran this stuff with one more stage of Wiener filtering on it but the second time , what I did was I {disfmarker} estimated the new Wiener filter based on the cleaned up speech , and did , uh , smoothing in the frequency to {disfmarker} to reduce the variance {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I have {disfmarker} I 've {disfmarker} I 've observed there are , like , a lot of bumps in the frequency when I do this Wiener filtering which is more like a musical noise or something . And so by adding another stage of Wiener filtering , the results on the SpeechDat - Car was like , um {disfmarker} So , I still don't have the word error rate . I 'm sorry about it . But the overall improvement was like fifty - six point four six . This was again using ten frames of noise estimate and two stage of Wiener filtering . And the rest is like the LDA plu and the on - line normalization all remaining the same . Uh , so this was , like , compared to , uh , uh {disfmarker} Fifty - seven is what you got by using the French Telecom system , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , I don't think so .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Y i",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is it on Italian ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , this is over the whole SpeechDat - Car . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , fifty - seven {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the new {disfmarker} the new Wiener filtering schema is like {disfmarker} some fifty - six point four six which is like one percent still less than what you got using the French Telecom system .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But it 's a pretty similar number in any event .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's very similar .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But again , you 're {disfmarker} you 're more or less doing what they were doing , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} it 's different in a sense like I 'm actually cleaning up the cleaned up spectrum which they 're not doing . They 're d what they 're doing is , they have two stage {disfmarker} stages of estimating the Wiener filter , but {disfmarker} the final filter , what they do is they {disfmarker} they take it to their time domain by doing an inverse Fourier transform .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And they filter the original signal using that fil filter ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "which is like final filter is acting on the input noisy speech rather than on the cleaned up . So this is more like I 'm doing Wiener filter twice , but the only thing is that the second time I 'm actually smoothing the filter and then cleaning up the cleaned up spectrum first level . And so that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's what the difference is .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And actually I tried it on s the original clean {disfmarker} I mean , the original spectrum where , like , I {disfmarker} the second time I estimate the filter but actually clean up the noisy speech rather the c s first {disfmarker} output of the first stage and that doesn't {disfmarker} seems to be a {disfmarker} giving , I mean , that much improvement . I {disfmarker} I didn didn't run it for the whole case . And {disfmarker} and what I t what I tried was , by using the same thing but {disfmarker} Uh , so we actually found that the VAD is very , like , crucial . I mean , just by changing the VAD itself gives you the {disfmarker} a lot of improvement",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "by instead of using the current VAD , if you just take up the VAD output from the channel zero , {comment} when {disfmarker} instead of using channel zero and channel one , because that was the p that was the reason why I was not getting a lot of improvement for estimating {comment} the noise . So I just used the channel zero VAD to estimate the noise so that it gives me some reliable mar markers for this noise estimation .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What 's a channel zero VAD ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm confused about that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so , it 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's the close - talking microphone .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the close - talking without {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , oh , oh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So because the channel zero and channel one are like the same speech , but only w I mean , the same endpoints .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But the only thing is that the speech is very noisy for channel one , so you can actually use the output of the channel zero for channel one for the VAD . I mean , that 's like a cheating method .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , so a are they going to pro What are they doing to do , do we know yet ? about {disfmarker} as far as what they 're {disfmarker} what the rules are going to be and what we can use ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so actually I received a {disfmarker} a new document , describing this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And what they did finally is to , mmm , uh , not to align the utterances but to perform recognition , um , only on the close - talking microphone ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Which is the channel zero .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and to take the result of the recognition to get the boundaries uh , of speech .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's not like that 's being done in one place or one time .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's just a rule and we 'd {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you were permitted to do that . Is {disfmarker} is that it ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I think they will send , um , files but we {disfmarker} we don't {disfmarker} Well , apparently {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so they will send files so everybody will have the same boundaries to work with ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But actually their alignment actually is not seems to be improving in like on all cases .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , i Yeah , so what happened here is that , um , the overall improvement that they have with this method {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Well , to be more precise , what they have is , they have these alignments and then they drop the beginning silence and {disfmarker} and the end silence but they keep , uh , two hundred milliseconds before speech and two hundred after speech . And they keep the speech pauses also . Um , and the overall improvement over the MFCC baseline So , when they just , uh , add this frame dropping in addition it 's r uh , forty percent , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Fourteen percent , I mean .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , which is , um , t which is the overall improvement . But in some cases it doesn't improve at all . Like , uh , y do you remember which case ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It gives like negative {disfmarker} Well , in {disfmarker} in like some Italian and TI - digits ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , some @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So by using the endpointed speech , actually it 's worse than the baseline in some instances , which could be due to the word pattern .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Yeah , the other thing also is that fourteen percent is less than what you obtain using a real VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , our neural net {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So with without cheating like this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} So I think this shows that there is still work {disfmarker} Uh , well , working on the VAD is still {disfmarker} still important I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , c",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask just a {disfmarker} a high level question ? Can you just say like one or two sentences about Wiener filtering and why {disfmarker} why are people doing that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What 's {disfmarker} what 's the deal with that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so the Wiener filter , it 's {disfmarker} it 's like {disfmarker} it 's like you try to minimize {disfmarker} I mean , so the basic principle of Wiener filter is like you try to minimize the , uh , d uh , difference between the noisy signal and the clean signal if you have two channels . Like let 's say you have a clean t signal and you have an additional channel where you know what is the noisy signal .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you try to minimize the error between these two .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's the basic principle . And you get {disfmarker} you can do that {disfmarker} I mean , if {disfmarker} if you have only a c noisy signal , at a level which you , you w try to estimate the noise from the w assuming that the first few frames are noise or if you have a w voice activity detector , uh , you estimate the noise spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Do you assume the noise is the same ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . in {disfmarker} yeah , after the speech starts .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} but that 's not the case in , uh , many {disfmarker} many of our cases but it works reasonably well .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then you What you do is you , uh b fff . So again , I can write down some of these eq Oh , OK . Yeah . And then you do this {disfmarker} uh , this is the transfer function of the Wiener filter , so \" SF \" is a clean speech spectrum , power spectrum",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And \" N \" is the noisy power spectrum . And so this is the transfer function .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "actually , I guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And then you multiply your noisy power spectrum with this . You get an estimate of the clean power spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} but the thing is that you have to estimate the SF from the noisy spectrum , what you have . So you estimate the NF from the initial noise portions and then you subtract that from the current noisy spectrum to get an estimate of the SF . So sometimes that becomes zero because you do you don't have a true estimate of the noise . So the f filter will have like sometimes zeros in it",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because some frequency values will be zeroed out because of that . And that creates a lot of discontinuities across the spectrum because @ @ the filter . So , uh , so {disfmarker} that 's what {disfmarker} that was just the first stage of Wiener filtering that I tried .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So is this , um , basically s uh , similar to just regular spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's all pretty related ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} there 's a di there 's a whole class of techniques where you try in some sense to minimize the noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And it 's typically a mean square sense , uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh , i in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some way . And , uh {disfmarker} uh , spectral subtraction is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} uh , one approach to it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Do people use the Wiener filtering in combination with the spectral subtraction typically , or is i are they sort of competing techniques ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Not seen . They are very s similar techniques .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . O oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's like I haven't seen anybody using s Wiener filter with spectral subtraction .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see , I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in the long run you 're doing the same thing",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but y but there you make different approximations , and {disfmarker} in spectral subtraction , for instance , there 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} an estimation factor .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You sometimes will figure out what the noise is and you 'll multiply that noise spectrum times some constant and subtract that rather than {disfmarker} and sometimes people {disfmarker} even though this really should be in the power domain , sometimes people s work in the magnitude domain because it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it works better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , uh , you know .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So why did you choose , uh , Wiener filtering over some other {disfmarker} one of these other techniques ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , the reason was , like , we had this choice of using spectral subtraction , Wiener filtering , and there was one more thing which I which I 'm trying , is this sub space approach . So , Stephane is working on spectral subtraction .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So I picked up {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So you 're sort of trying @ @ them all .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Y Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "we just wanted to have a few noise production {disfmarker} compensation techniques",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then pick some from that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "pick one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I m I mean {disfmarker} yeah , I mean , there 's Car - Carmen 's working on another , on the vector Taylor series .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "VA Yeah , VAD . w Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So they were just kind of trying to cover a bunch of different things with this task and see , you know , what are {disfmarker} what are the issues for each of them .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK . That makes sense .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Cool , thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so one of {disfmarker} one of the things that I tried , like I said , was to remove those zeros in the fri filter by doing some smoothing of the filter .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Like , you estimate the edge of square and then you do a f smoothing across the frequency so that those zeros get , like , flattened out .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that doesn't seems to be improving by trying it on the first time . So what I did was like I p did this and then you {disfmarker} I plugged in the {disfmarker} one more {disfmarker} the same thing but with the smoothed filter the second time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that seems to be working .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's where I got like fifty - six point five percent improvement on SpeechDat - Car with that . And {disfmarker} So the other thing what I tried was I used still the ten frames of noise estimate but I used this channel zero VAD to drop the frames . So I 'm not {disfmarker} still not estimating . And that has taken the performance to like sixty - seven percent in SpeechDat - Car , which is {disfmarker} which {disfmarker} which like sort of shows that by using a proper VAD you can just take it to further , better levels . And {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's sort of like , you know , best - case performance ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so far I 've seen sixty - seven {disfmarker} I mean , no , I haven't seen s like sixty - seven percent . And , uh , using the channel zero VAD to estimate the noise also seems to be improving but I don't have the results for all the cases with that . So I used channel zero VAD to estimate noise as a lesser 2 x frame , which is like , {vocalsound} everywhere I use the channel zero VAD . And that seems to be the best combination , uh , rather than using a few frames to estimate and then drop a channel .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm still a little confused . Is that channel zero information going to be accessible during this test .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , no . This is just to test whether we can really improve by using a better VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} So this is like the noise compensation f is fixed",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but you make a better decision on the endpoints . That 's , like {disfmarker} seems to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "so we c so I mean , which {disfmarker} which means , like , by using this technique what we improve just the VAD",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "we can just take the performance by another ten percent or better .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So , that {disfmarker} that was just the , uh , reason for doing that experiment . And , w um {disfmarker} Yeah , but this {disfmarker} all these things , I have to still try it on the TI - digits , which is like I 'm just running . And there seems to be not improving a {disfmarker} a lot on the TI - digits , so I 'm like investigating that , why it 's not . And , um , um {disfmarker} Well after that . So , uh {disfmarker} so the other {disfmarker} the other thing is {disfmarker} like I 've been {disfmarker} I 'm doing all this stuff on the power spectrum . So {disfmarker} Tried this stuff on the mel as well {disfmarker} mel and the magnitude , and mel magnitude , and all those things . But it seems to be the power spectrum seems to be getting the best result . So , one of {disfmarker} one of reasons I thought like doing the averaging , after the filtering using the mel filter bank , that seems to be maybe helping rather than trying it on the mel filter ba filtered outputs .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So just th",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Ma Makes sense .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th that 's {disfmarker} that 's the only thing that I could think of why {disfmarker} why it 's giving improvement on the mel . And , yep . So that 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , how about the subspace stuff ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Subspace , {comment} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm like {disfmarker} that 's still in {disfmarker} a little bit in the back burner because I 've been p putting a lot effort on this to make it work , on tuning things and other stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I was like going parallely but not much of improvement . I 'm just {disfmarker} have some skeletons ready , need some more time for it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Tha - that it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Do you wanna go , Stephane ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . So , {vocalsound} I 've been , uh , working still on the spectral subtraction . Um , So to r to remind you {vocalsound} {vocalsound} a little bit of {disfmarker} of what I did before , is just {vocalsound} to apply some spectral subtraction with an overestimation factor also to get , um , an estimate of the noise , uh , spectrum , and subtract this estimation of the noise spectrum from the , uh , signal spectrum , {comment} but subtracting more when the SNR is {disfmarker} is , uh , low , which is a technique that it 's often used .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "\" Subtracting more \" , meaning {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So you overestimate the noise spectrum . You multiply the noise spectrum by a factor , uh , which depends on the SNR .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , above twenty DB , it 's one , so you just subtract the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then it 's b Generally {disfmarker} Well , I use , actually , a linear , uh , function of the SNR ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which is bounded to , like , two or three , {comment} when the SNR is below zero DB .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , doing just this , uh , either on the FFT bins or on the mel bands , um , t doesn't yield any improvement",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Um , uh , what are you doing with negative , uh , powers ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "o Yeah . So there is also a threshold , of course , because after subtraction you can have negative energies ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So what I {disfmarker} I just do is to put , uh {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to add {disfmarker} to put the threshold first and then to add a small amount of noise , which right now is speech - shaped . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Speech - shaped ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it 's {disfmarker} a it has the overall {disfmarker} overall energy , uh {disfmarker} pow it has the overall power spectrum of speech . So with a bump around one kilohertz .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So when y when you talk about there being something less than zero after subtracting the noise , is that at a particular frequency bin ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "i Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "There can be frequency bins with negative values .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And so when you say you 're adding something that has the overall shape of speech , is that in a {disfmarker} in a particular frequency bin ? Or you 're adding something across all the frequencies when you get these negatives ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "For each frequencies I a I 'm adding some , uh , noise , but the a the amount of {disfmarker} the amount of noise I add is not the same for all the frequency bins .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! OK . I gotcha . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Right now I don't think if it makes sense to add something that 's speech - shaped , because then you have silence portion that have some spectra similar to the sp the overall speech spectra .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . So this is something I can still work on ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So what does that mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm trying to understand what it means when you do the spectral subtraction and you get a negative . It means that at that particular frequency range you subtracted more energy than there was actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That means that {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Yeah . So {disfmarker} so yeah , you have an {disfmarker} an estimation of the noise spectrum , but sometimes , of course , it 's {disfmarker} as the noise is not perfectly stationary , sometimes this estimation can be , uh , too small , so you don't subtract enough . But sometimes it can be too large also . If {disfmarker} if the noise , uh , energy in this particular frequency band drops for some reason .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So in {disfmarker} in an ideal word i world {comment} if the noise were always the same , then , when you subtracted it the worst that i you would get would be a zero . I mean , the lowest you would get would be a zero , cuz i if there was no other energy there you 're just subtracting exactly the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep , there 's all {disfmarker} there 's all sorts of , uh , deviations from the ideal here .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , for instance , you 're {disfmarker} you 're talking about the signal and noise , um , at a particular point . And even if something is sort of stationary in ster terms of statistics , there 's no guarantee that any particular instantiation or piece of it is exactly a particular number or bounded by a particular range .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , you 're figuring out from some chunk of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of the signal what you think the noise is . Then you 're subtracting that from another chunk ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and there 's absolutely no reason to think that you 'd know that it wouldn't , uh , be negative in some places .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , on the other hand that just means that in some sense you 've made a mistake because you certainly have stra subtracted a bigger number than is due to the noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Also , we speak {disfmarker} the whole {disfmarker} where all this stuff comes from is from an assumption that signal and noise are uncorrelated . And that certainly makes sense in s in {disfmarker} in a statistical interpretation , that , you know , over , um , all possible realizations that they 're uncorrelated",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or assuming , uh , ergodicity that i that i um , across time , uh , it 's uncorrelated . But if you just look at {disfmarker} a quarter second , uh , and you cross - multiply the two things , uh , you could very well , uh , end up with something that sums to something that 's not zero . So in fact , the two signals could have some relation to one another . And so there 's all sorts of deviations from ideal in this . And {disfmarker} and given all that , you could definitely end up with something that 's negative . But if down the road you 're making use of something as if it is a power spectrum , um , then it can be bad to have something negative . Now , the other thing I wonder about actually is , what if you left it negative ? What happens ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Is that the log ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , because {disfmarker} Um , are you taking the log before you add them up to the mel ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "After that . No , after .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So the thing is , I wonder how {disfmarker} if you put your thresholds after that , I wonder how often you would end up with , uh {disfmarker} with negative values .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But you will {disfmarker} But you end up reducing some neighboring frequency bins {disfmarker} @ @ in the average , right ? When you add the negative to the positive value which is the true estimate .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But nonetheless , uh , you know , these are {disfmarker} it 's another f kind of smoothing , right ? that you 're doing .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , you 've done your best shot at figuring out what the noise should be , and now i then you 've subtracted it off . And then after that , instead of {disfmarker} instead of , uh , uh , leaving it as is and adding things {disfmarker} adding up some neighbors , you artificially push it up .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which is , you know , it 's {disfmarker} there 's no particular reason that that 's the right thing to do either , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , um , uh , i in fact , what you 'd be doing is saying , \" well , we 're d we 're {disfmarker} we 're going to definitely diminish the effect of this frequency in this little frequency bin in the {disfmarker} in the overall mel summation \" . It 's just a thought . I d I don't know if it would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sort of the opposite of that would be if {disfmarker} if you find out you 're going to get a negative number , you don't do the subtraction for that bin .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh . That is true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "although {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "That would be almost the opposite , right ? Instead of leaving it negative , you don't do it . If your {disfmarker} if your subtraction 's going to result in a negative number , you {disfmarker} you don't do subtraction in that .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that means that in a situation where you thought that {disfmarker} that the bin was almost entirely noise , you left it .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I 'm just saying that 's like the opposite .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah that 's {disfmarker} that 's the opposite ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And , yeah , some people also {disfmarker} if it 's a negative value they , uh , re - compute it using inter interpolation from the edges and bins .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "For frames , frequency bins .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , there are different things that you can do .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "People can also , uh , reflect it back up and essentially do a full wave rectification instead of a {disfmarker} instead of half wave .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But it was just a thought that {disfmarker} that it might be something to try .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yep . Well , actually I tried , {vocalsound} something else based on this , um , is to {disfmarker} to put some smoothing , um , because it seems to {disfmarker} to help or it seems to help the Wiener filtering",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and , mmm {disfmarker} So what I did is , uh , some kind of nonlinear smoothing . Actually I have a recursion that computes {disfmarker} Yeah , let me go back a little bit . Actually , when you do spectral subtraction you can , uh , find this {disfmarker} this equivalent in the s in the spectral domain . You can uh compute , y you can say that d your spectral subtraction is a filter , um , and the gain of this filter is the , um , {vocalsound} signal energy minus what you subtract , divided by the signal energy . And this is a gain that varies over time , and , you know , of course , uh , depending on the s on the noise spectrum and on the speech spectrum . And {disfmarker} what happen actually is that during low SNR values , the gain is close to zero but it varies a lot . Mmm , and this {disfmarker} this is the cause of musical noise and all these {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} {comment} the fact you {disfmarker} we go below zero one frame and then you can have an energy that 's above zero .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Mmm . So the smoothing is {disfmarker} I did a smoothing actually on this gain , uh , trajectory . But it 's {disfmarker} the smoothing is nonlinear in the sense that I tried to not smooth if the gain is high , because in this case we know that , uh , the estimate of the gain is correct because we {disfmarker} we are not close to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to zero , um , and to do more smoothing if the gain is low . Mmm . Um . Yeah . So , well , basically that 's this idea , and it seems to give pretty good results , uh , although I 've just {disfmarker} just tested on Italian and Finnish . And on Italian it seems {disfmarker} my result seems to be a little bit better than the Wiener filtering ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , the one you showed yesterday .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't know if you have these improvement the detailed improvements for Italian , Finnish , and Spanish there",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Fff . No , I don't have , for each ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or you have {disfmarker} just have your own .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} just have the final number here .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So these numbers he was giving before with the four point three , and the ten point one , and so forth , those were Italian , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah . So {disfmarker} so , no ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I actually didn't give you the number which is the final one ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh , no , we 've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which is , after two stages of Wiener filtering . I mean , that was I just {disfmarker} well , like the overall improvement is like fifty - six point five . So ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , his number is still better than what I got in the two stages of Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "On Italian . But on Finnish it 's a little bit worse , apparently .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But do you have numbers in terms of word error rates on {disfmarker} on Italian ? So just so you have some sense of reference ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , so , it 's , uh , three point , uh , eight .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Am I right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Yeah , right , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then , uh , d uh , nine point , uh , one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And finally , uh , sixteen point five .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And this is , um , spectral subtraction plus what ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Plus {disfmarker} plus nonlinear smoothing . Well , it 's {disfmarker} the system {disfmarker} it 's exactly the sys the same system as Sunil tried ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "On - line normalization and LDA ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But instead of double stage Wiener filtering , it 's {disfmarker} it 's this smoothed spectral subtraction . Um , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What is it the , um , France Telecom system uses",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "for {disfmarker} Do they use spectral subtraction , or Wiener filtering , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "They use spectral subtraction , right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "For what ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "French Telecom .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} it 's Wiener filtering ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "am I right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's some kind of Wiener filtering {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , filtering . Yeah , it 's not exactly Wiener filtering but some variant of Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , plus , uh , I guess they have some sort of cepstral normalization , as well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "s They have like {disfmarker} yeah , th the {disfmarker} just noise compensation technique is a variant of Wiener filtering ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "plus they do some {disfmarker} some smoothing techniques on the final filter . The {disfmarker} th they actually do the filtering in the time domain .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So they would take this HF squared back , taking inverse Fourier transform . And they convolve the time domain signal with that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And they do some smoothing on that final filter , impulse response .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But they also have two {disfmarker} two different smoothing @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "One in the time domain and one in the frequency domain by just taking the first , um , coefficients of the impulse response .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , basically it 's similar . I mean , what you did , it 's similar",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's similar in the smoothing and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because you have also two {disfmarker} two kind of smoothing .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "One in the time domain , and one in the frequency domain ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The frequency domain .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Does the smoothing in the time domain help {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , do you get this musical noise stuff with Wiener filtering or is that only with , uh , spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , you get it with Wiener filtering also .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Does the smoothing in the time domain help with that ? Or some other smoothing ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , no , you still end up with zeros in the s spectrum . Sometimes .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's not clear that these musical noises hurt us in recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We don't know if they do .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , they {disfmarker} they sound bad .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But we 're not listening to it , usually .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , actually the {disfmarker} the smoothing that I did {disfmarker} do here reduced the musical noise . Well , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I cannot {disfmarker} you cannot hear beca well , actually what I d did not say is that this is not in the FFT bins . This is in the mel frequency bands . Um {disfmarker} So , it could be seen as a f a {disfmarker} a smoothing in the frequency domain because I used , in ad mel bands in addition and then the other phase of smoothing in the time domain . Mmm . But , when you look at the spectrogram , if you don't have an any smoothing , you clearly see , like {disfmarker} in silence portions , and at the beginning and end of speech , you see spots of high energy randomly distributed over the {disfmarker} the spectrogram .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's the musical noise ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Which is musical noise ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "yeah , if {disfmarker} if it {disfmarker} If you listen to it {disfmarker} uh , if you do this in the FFT bins , then you have spots of energy randomly distributing . And if you f if you re - synthesize these spot sounds as , like , sounds ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , none of these systems , by the way , have {disfmarker} I mean , y you both are {disfmarker} are working with , um , our system that does not have the neural net ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So one would hope , presumably , that the neural net part of it would {disfmarker} would improve things further as {disfmarker} as they did before .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Yeah , although if {disfmarker} if we , um , look at the result from the proposals , {comment} one of the reason , uh , the n system with the neural net was , um , more than {disfmarker} well , around five percent better , is that it was much better on highly mismatched condition . I 'm thinking , for instance , on the TI - digits trained on clean speech and tested on noisy speech .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , for this case , the system with the neural net was much better .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But not much on the {disfmarker} in the other cases .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "And if we have no , uh , spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , i the system is {disfmarker} Uh , we thought the neural {disfmarker} neural network is much better than before , even in these cases of high mismatch . So , maybe the neural net will help less but , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Could you train a neural net to do spectral subtraction ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it could do a nonlinear spectral subtraction",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but I don't know if it {disfmarker} I mean , you have to figure out what your targets are .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was thinking if you had a clean version of the signal and {disfmarker} and a noisy version , and your targets were the M F - uh , you know , whatever , frequency bins {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , that 's not so much spectral subtraction then ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} but at any rate , yeah , people , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "People do that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "y yeah , in fact , we had visitors here who did that I think when you were here ba way back when .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , people {disfmarker} d done lots of experimentation over the years with training neural nets . And it 's not a bad thing to do . It 's another approach .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "M I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The objection everyone always raises , which has some truth to it is that , um , it 's good for mapping from a particular noise to clean but then you get a different noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the experiments we saw that visitors did here showed that it {disfmarker} there was at least some , um , {vocalsound} {comment} gentleness to the degradation when you switched to different noises . It did seem to help . So that {disfmarker} you 're right , that 's another {disfmarker} another way to go .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "How did it compare on {disfmarker} I mean , for {disfmarker} for good cases where it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} uh , stuff that it was trained on ? Did it do pretty well ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , it did very well .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but to some extent that 's kind of what we 're doing . I mean , we 're not doing exactly that , we 're not trying to generate good examples but by trying to do the best classifier you possibly can , for these little phonetic categories ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . You could say it 's sort of built in .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's kind of built into that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and that 's why we have found that it {disfmarker} it does help .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} so , um , yeah , I mean , we 'll just have to try it . But I {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would imagine that it will help some . I mean , it {disfmarker} we 'll just have to see whether it helps more or less the same , but I would imagine it would help some .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So in any event , all of this {disfmarker} I was just confirming that all of this was with a simpler system .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Um , Yeah , so this is th the , um {disfmarker} Well , actually , this was kind of the first try with this spectral subtraction plus smoothing ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and I was kind of excited by the result .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , then I started to optimize the different parameters . And , uh , the first thing I tried to optimize is the , um , time constant of the smoothing . And it seems that the one that I chose for the first experiment was the optimal one , so {vocalsound} uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's amazing how often that happens .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so this is the first thing . Um {disfmarker} Yeah , another thing that I {disfmarker} it 's important to mention is , um , that this has a this has some additional latency . Um . Because when I do the smoothing , uh , it 's a recursion that estimated the means , so {disfmarker} of the g of the gain curve . And this is a filter that has some latency . And I noticed that it 's better if we take into account this latency . So , instead o of using the current estimated mean to , uh , subtract the current frame , it 's better to use an estimate that 's some somewhere in the future . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's what causes the latency ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You mean , the m the mean is computed o based on some frames in the future also ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or no ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's the recursion , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's the center recursion , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} and the latency of this recursion is around fifty milliseconds .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "One five ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "One five ? Five zero ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Five zero ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Five zero .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "why {disfmarker} why is that delay coming ? Like , you estimate the mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the mean estimation has some delay , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker} the filter that {disfmarker} that estimates the mean has a time constant .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It isn't {disfmarker} OK , so it 's like it looks into the future also . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What if you just look into the past ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh , not as good . It 's not bad .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "How m by how much ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , it helps a lot over the ba the baseline but , mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "By how much ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "it {disfmarker} It 's around three percent , um , relative .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Worse .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "mmm {disfmarker} So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's depending on how all this stuff comes out we may or may not be able to add any latency .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yeah . So , yeah , it depends . Uh , y actually , it 's {disfmarker} it 's l it 's three percent . Right . Mmm . Yeah , b but I don't think we have to worry too much on that right now while {disfmarker} you kno . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , s Yeah , I mean , I think the only thing is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I would worry about it a little .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Because if we completely ignore latency , and then we discover that we really have to do something about it , we 're going to be {disfmarker} find ourselves in a bind .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , um , you know , maybe you could make it twenty - five . You know what I mean ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just , you know , just be {disfmarker} be a little conservative",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "because we may end up with this crunch where all of a sudden we have to cut the latency in half or something .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "s Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um . So , yeah , there are other things in the , um , algorithm that I didn't , uh , @ @ a lot yet ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . A quick question just about the latency thing . If {disfmarker} if there 's another part of the system that causes a latency of a hundred milliseconds , is this an additive thing ? Or c or is yours hidden in that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's {disfmarker} it 's added .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's additive . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We can {disfmarker} OK . We can do something in parallel also , in some like {disfmarker} some cases like , if you wanted to do voice activity detection .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And we can do that in parallel with some other filtering you can do .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you can make a decision on that voice activity detection and then you decide whether you want to filter or not .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But by then you already have the sufficient samples to do the filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So , sometimes you can do it anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , couldn't , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Couldn't you just also {disfmarker} I mean , i if you know that the l the largest latency in the system is two hundred milliseconds , don't you {disfmarker} couldn't you just buffer up that number of frames and then everything uses that buffer ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And that way it 's not additive ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , in fact , everything is sent over in buffers cuz of {disfmarker} isn't it the TCP buffer some {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "You mean , the {disfmarker} the data , the super frame or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that has a variable latency because the last frame doesn't have any latency",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and first frame has a twenty framed latency . So you can't r rely on that latency all the time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} I mean the transmission over {disfmarker} over the air interface is like a buffer .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Twenty frame {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "twenty four frames .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} But the only thing is that the first frame in that twenty - four frame buffer has a twenty - four frame latency . And the last frame doesn't have any latency .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Because it just goes as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I wasn't thinking of that one in particular",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but more of , you know , if {disfmarker} if there is some part of your system that has to buffer twenty frames , uh , can't the other parts of the system draw out of that buffer and therefore not add to the latency ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And {disfmarker} and that 's sort of one of the {disfmarker} all of that sort of stuff is things that they 're debating in their standards committee .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . So , um , there is uh , {comment} these parameters that I still have to {disfmarker} to look at . Like , I played a little bit with this overestimation factor , uh , but I still have to {disfmarker} to look more at this , um , at the level of noise I add after . Uh , I know that adding noise helped , um , the system just using spectral subtraction without smoothing , but I don't know right now if it 's still important or not , and if the level I choose before is still the right one . Same thing for the shape of the {disfmarker} the noise . Maybe it would be better to add just white noise instead of speech shaped noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be more like the JRASTA thing in a sense . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um , yep . Uh , and another thing is to {disfmarker} Yeah , for this I just use as noise estimate the mean , uh , spectrum of the first twenty frames of each utterance . I don't remember for this experiment what did you use for these two stage {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I used ten {disfmarker} just ten frames . Yeah , because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The ten frames ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the reason was like in TI - digits I don't have a lot . I had twenty frames most of the time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um . But , so what 's this result you told me about , the fact that if you use more than ten frames you can {disfmarker} improve by t",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} that 's using the channel zero . If I use a channel zero VAD to estimate the noise .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But this is ten frames plus {disfmarker} plus",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Channel zero dropping .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "channel {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
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"content": "Uh , no , these results with two stage Wiener filtering is ten frames",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "t Oh , this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but possibly more . I mean , if channel one VAD gives you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "f Yeah . Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK . Yeah , but in this experiment I did {disfmarker} I didn't use any VAD . I just used the twenty first frame to estimate the noise . And {disfmarker} So I expected it to be a little bit better , {vocalsound} if , uh , I use more {disfmarker} more frames . Um . OK , that 's it for spectral subtraction . The second thing I was working on is to , um , try to look at noise estimation , {comment} mmm , and using some technique that doesn't need voice activity detection . Um , and for this I u simply used some code that , uh , {vocalsound} I had from {disfmarker} from Belgium , which is technique that , um , takes a bunch of frame , um , and for each frequency bands of this frame , takes a look at the minima of the energy . And then average these minima and take this as an {disfmarker} an energy estimate of the noise for this particular frequency band . And there is something more to this actually . What is done is that , {vocalsound} uh , these minima are computed , um , based on , um , high resolution spectra . So , I compute an FFT based on the long , uh , signal frame which is sixty - four millisecond {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you have one minimum for each frequency ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what I {disfmarker} what I d uh , I do actually , is to take a bunch of {disfmarker} to take a tile on the spectrogram and this tile is five hundred milliseconds long and two hundred hertz wide .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And this tile {disfmarker} Uh , in this tile appears , like , the harmonics if you have a voiced sound , because it 's {disfmarker} it 's the FTT bins . And when you take the m the minima of {disfmarker} of these {disfmarker} this tile , when you don't have speech , these minima will give you some noise level estimate , If you have voiced speech , these minima will still give you some noise estimate because the minima are between the harmonics . And {disfmarker} If you have other {disfmarker} other kind of speech sounds then it 's not the case , but if the time frame is long enough , uh , like s five hundred milliseconds seems to be long enough , {comment} you still have portions which , uh , are very close {disfmarker} whi which minima are very close to the noise energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm confused . You said five hundred milliseconds",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but you said sixty - four milliseconds . Which is which ? What ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Sixty - four milliseconds is to compute the FFT , uh , bins .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the FFT .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , actually it 's better to use sixty - four milliseconds because , um , if you use thirty milliseconds , then , uh , because of the {disfmarker} this short windowing and at low pitch , uh , sounds , {vocalsound} the harmonics are not , wha uh , correctly separated .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So if you take these minima , it {disfmarker} b {vocalsound} they will overestimate the noise a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you take sixty - four millisecond F F Ts and then you average them {comment} over five hundred ? Or {disfmarker} ? Uh , what do you do over five hundred ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I take {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} I take a bunch of these sixty - four millisecond frame to cover five hundred milliseconds ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and then I look for the minima ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "on the {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on the bunch of uh fifty frames , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . So the interest of this is that , as y with this technique you can estimate u some reasonable noise spectra with only five hundred milliseconds of {disfmarker} of signal , so if the {disfmarker} the n the noise varies a lot , uh , you can track {disfmarker} better track the noise ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "which is not the case if you rely on the voice activity detector . So even if there are no no speech pauses , you can track the noise level . The only requirement is that you must have , in these five hundred milliseconds segment , {comment} you must have voiced sound at least . Cuz this {disfmarker} these will help you to {disfmarker} to track the {disfmarker} the noise level . Um . So what I did is just to simply replace the VAD - based , uh , noise estimate by this estimate , first on SpeechDat - Car {disfmarker} Well , only on SpeechDat - Car actually . And it 's , uh , slightly worse , like one percent relative compared to the VAD - based {pause} estimates . Um , I think the reason why it 's not better , is that the SpeechDat - Car noises are all stationary . Um . So , u y y there really is no need to have something that 's adaptive",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Uh , well , they are mainly stationary . Um . But , I expect s maybe some improvement on TI - digits because , nnn , in this case the noises are all sometimes very variable . Uh , so I have to test it . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But are you comparing with something {disfmarker} e I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} p s a little confused again , i it {disfmarker} Uh , when you compare it with the V A D - based ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "VAD - Is this {disfmarker} is this the {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} It 's the France - Telecom - based spectra , s uh , Wiener filtering and VAD . So it 's their system but just I replace their noise estimate by this one .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you 're not doing this with our system ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "In i I 'm not {disfmarker} No , no . Yeah , it 's our system but with just the Wiener filtering from their system . Right ? Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Actually , th the best system that we still have is , uh , our system but with their noise compensation scheme , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm trying to improve on this , and {disfmarker} by {disfmarker} by replacing their noise estimate by , uh , something that might be better .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . But the spectral subtraction scheme that you reported on also re requires a {disfmarker} a noise estimate .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't you try this for that ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But I di",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Do you think it might help ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Not yet , because I did this in parallel ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and I was working on one and the other .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for {disfmarker} for sure I will . I can try also , mmm , the spectral subtraction .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So I 'm also using that n new noise estimate technique on this Wiener filtering what I 'm trying .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So I {disfmarker} I have , like , some experiments running , I don't have the results .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I don't estimate the f noise on the ten frames but use his estimate .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um . Yeah . I , um , also implemented a sp um {disfmarker} spectral whitening idea which is in the , um , Ericsson proposal . Uh , the idea is just to {vocalsound} um , flatten the log , uh , spectrum , um , and to flatten it more if the {disfmarker} the probability of silence is higher . So in this way , you can also reduce {disfmarker} somewhat reduce the musical noise and you reduce the variability if you have different noise shapes , because the {disfmarker} the spectrum becomes more flat in the silence portions . Um . Yeah . With this , no improvement , uh , but there are a lot of parameters that we can play with and , um {disfmarker} Actually , this {disfmarker} this could be seen as a soft version of the frame dropping because , um , you could just put the threshold and say that \" below the threshold , I will flatten {disfmarker} comp completely flatten the {disfmarker} the spectrum \" . And above this threshold , uh , keep the same spectrum . So it would be like frame dropping , because during the silence portions which are below the threshold of voice activity probability , {comment} uh , w you would have some kind of dummy frame which is a perfectly flat spectrum . And this , uh , whitening is something that 's more soft because , um , you whiten {disfmarker} you just , uh , have a function {disfmarker} the whitening is a function of the speech probability , so it 's not a hard decision .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I think maybe it can be used together with frame dropping and when we are not sure about if it 's speech or silence , well , maybe it has something do with this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's interesting . I mean , um , you know , in {disfmarker} in JRASTA we were essentially adding in , uh , white {disfmarker} uh , white noise dependent on our estimate of the noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "On the overall estimate of the noise . Uh , I think it never occurred to us to use a probability in there .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You could imagine one that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that made use of where {disfmarker} where the amount that you added in was , uh , a function of the probability of it being s speech or noise .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah , w Yeah , right now it 's a constant that just depending on the {disfmarker} the noise spectrum .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that {disfmarker} that brings in sort of powers of classifiers that we don't really have in , uh , this other estimate . So it could be {disfmarker} it could be interesting .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what point does the , uh , system stop recording ? How much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "It 'll keep going till {disfmarker} I guess when they run out of disk space ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It went a little long ? I mean , disk {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} I think we 're OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh {disfmarker} Yeah , so there are {disfmarker} with this technique there are some {disfmarker} I just did something exactly the same as {disfmarker} as the Ericsson proposal but , um , {vocalsound} the probability of speech is not computed the same way . And I think , i for {disfmarker} yeah , for a lot of things , actually a g a good speech probability is important . Like for frame dropping you improve , like {disfmarker} you can improve from ten percent as Sunil showed , if you use the channel zero speech probabilities .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "For this it might help , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "S so , yeah . Uh , so yeah , the next thing I started to do is to , {vocalsound} uh , try to develop a better voice activity detector . And , um {disfmarker} I d um {disfmarker} yeah , for this I think we can maybe try to train the neural network for voice activity detection on all the data that we have , including all the SpeechDat - Car data . Um {disfmarker} And so I 'm starting to obtain alignments on these databases . Um , and the way I mi I do that is that I just use the HTK system but I train it only on the close - talking microphone . And then I aligned {disfmarker} I obtained the Viterbi alignment of the training utterances . Um {disfmarker} It seems to be , uh i Actually what I observed is that for Italian it doesn't seem {disfmarker} Th - there seems to be a problem .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No . So , it doesn't seems to help by their use of channel zero or channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well . Because {disfmarker} What ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you mean their d the frame dropping , right ? Yeah , it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So , u but actually the VAD was trained on Italian also ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Um , the c the current VAD that we have was trained on , uh , t SPINE , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Italian , and TI - digits with noise and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
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{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . And it seems to work on Italian but not on the Finnish and Spanish data . So , maybe one reason is that s s Finnish and Spanish noise are different . And actually we observed {disfmarker} we listened to some of the utterances and sometimes for Finnish there is music in the recordings and strange things , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah , so the idea was to train all the databases and obtain an alignment to train on these databases , and , um , also to , um , try different kind of features , {vocalsound} uh , as input to the VAD network . And we came up with a bunch of features that we want to try like , um , the spectral slope , the , um , the degree o degree of voicing with the features that , uh , we started to develop with Carmen , um , e with , uh , the correlation between bands and different kind of features ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The energy also .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The energy .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Of course . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , Hans - Guenter will be here next week so I think he 'll be interested in all {disfmarker} all of these things . And , so .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK , shall we , uh , do digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Want to go ahead , Morgan ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"answer": "The team discussed SRI experiments, multi-band approaches, latency, VAD, and noise addition. The mean subtraction approach for SRI that relied on a twelve second interval resulted in a zero point three percent improvement over the six second model, not necessarily significant. The team thought that training the model on different speeds of speech would be helpful to add to this progress. Grad A introduced the team to her formal proposal for the qualifier exam. The work focused on intermediate classifiers and multi-band graphical models for speech recognition. The team then discussed noise removal as well The model PhD B was working on did not do well in non-stationary noise environments. In general, however, the model had improved. The VAD was labeling speech as silence segments, which could be attributed to alignment issues. The team thought that noise addition techniques might help the model.",
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"answer": "The SRI system was doing worse on the hub-five training set for mean subtraction. The model performed better on six seconds of training data rather than twelve seconds, but the improvement was only point three percent. The professor thought small differences were important for research but not as important in industry. One suggestion for further work was changing speech rate using the algorithm, though it came at the risk of degrading the data.",
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"answer": "Grad C thought that one way to improve performance might be training LDA filters in different conditions. The professor D agreed that the LDA filter was interesting. He thought hamming would work too. Professor G said that most people just do on-line filtering, which entailed subtracting the mean, not LDA.",
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"answer": "Too much noise was causing the model to perform worse, so the noise addition was constant and not too high. The overall improvement was good. The smoothing for the average for noise addition was only done on low gains. The model performed better on high mismatch.",
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"content": "And we 're on .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Might wanna {vocalsound} close the door so that {disfmarker} Uh , Stephane will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'll get it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hey Dave ? Could you go ahead and turn on , uh , Stephane 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So that 's the virtual Stephane over there .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Do you use a PC for recording ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , a Linux box . Yeah . It 's got , uh , like sixteen channels going into it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Uh - huh . The quality is quite good ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , so far , it 's been pretty good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , uh , yeah {disfmarker} the suggestion was to have these guys start to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Why don't you go ahead , Dave ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , so , yeah , the {disfmarker} this past week I 've been main mainly occupied with , um , getting some results , u from the SRI system trained on this short Hub - five training set for the mean subtraction method . And , um , I ran some tests last night . But , um , c the results are suspicious . Um , it 's , um , {vocalsound} cuz they 're {disfmarker} the baseline results are worse than , um , Andreas {disfmarker} than results Andreas got previously . And {vocalsound} it could have something to do with , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's on digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's on digits . It c it {disfmarker} it could h it could have something to do with , um , downsampling .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's worth looking into . Um , d and , um , ap ap apart from that , I guess the {disfmarker} the main thing I have t ta I have to talk is , um , where I 'm planning to go over the next week . Um . So I 've been working on integrating this mean subtraction approach into the SmartKom system . And there 's this question of , well , so , um , in my tests before with HTK I found it worked {disfmarker} it worked the best with about twelve seconds of data used to estimate the mean , but , we 'll often have less {comment} in the SmartKom system . Um . So I think we 'll use as much data as we have {pause} at a particular time , and we 'll {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 'll concatenate utterances together , um , to get as much data as we possibly can from the user . But , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} there 's a question of how to set up the models . So um , we could train the models . If we think twelve seconds is ideal we could train the models using twelve seconds to calculate the mean , to mean subtract the training data . Or we could , um , use some other amount . So {disfmarker} like I did an experiment where I , um , was using six seconds in test , um , but , for {disfmarker} I tried twelve seconds in train . And I tried , um , um , the same in train {disfmarker} I 'm a I tried six seconds in train . And six seconds in train {vocalsound} was about point three percent better . Um , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , it 's not clear to me yet whether that 's {vocalsound} something significant . So I wanna do some tests and , um , {vocalsound} actually make some plots of , um {disfmarker} for a particular amount of data and test what happens if you vary the amount of data in train .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Guenter , I don't know if you t {vocalsound} followed this stuff but this is , uh , {vocalsound} a uh , uh , long - term {disfmarker} long - term window F F Yeah . Yeah , he {disfmarker} you talked about it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {disfmarker} we spoke about it already ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So you know what he 's doing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "y s so I was {disfmarker} I actually ran the experiments mostly and I {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I was hoping to have the plots with me today . I just didn't get to it . But , um {disfmarker} yeah , I wou I would be curious about people 's feedback on this cuz I 'm {disfmarker} {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} I p I think there are some I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's kind of like a {disfmarker} a bit of a tricky engineering problem . I 'm trying to figure out what 's the optimal way to set this up . So , um , {vocalsound} I 'll try to make the plots and then put some postscript up on my {disfmarker} on my web page . And I 'll mention it in my status report if people wanna take a look .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You could clarify something for me . You 're saying point three percent , you take a point three percent hit , {vocalsound} when the training and testing links are {disfmarker} don't match or something ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hello .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is that what it is ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "w Well , it c",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't think it {disfmarker} it 's {vocalsound} just for any mismatch {vocalsound} you take a hit .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "i In some cases it might be u better to have a mismatch . Like I think I saw something like {disfmarker} like if you only have two seconds in test , or , um , maybe it was something like four seconds , you actually do a little better if you , um , {vocalsound} train on six seconds than if you train on four seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , but the case , uh {disfmarker} with the point three percent hit was {vocalsound} using six seconds in test , um , comparing train on twelve seconds {comment} versus train on six seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And which was worse ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The train on twelve seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "OK . But point three percent , uh , w from what to what ? That 's point three percent {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the accuracies {vocalsound} w went from {disfmarker} it was something vaguely like ninety - five point six accuracy , um , improved to ninety - five point nine wh when I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So four point four to four point one .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} yeah . So about a {disfmarker} about an eight percent , uh , seven or eight percent relative ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Yeah . Well , I think in a p You know , if {disfmarker} if you were going for an evaluation system you 'd care . But if you were doing a live system that people were actually using nobody would notice . It 's {disfmarker} uh , I think the thing is to get something that 's practical , that {disfmarker} that you could really use .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Huh . That 's {disfmarker} that 's interesting . Alright , the e uh , I see your point . I guess I was thinking of it as , um , {vocalsound} an interesting research problem . The {disfmarker} how to g I was thinking that for the ASRU paper we could have a section saying , {vocalsound} \" For SmartKom , we {disfmarker} we d in {disfmarker} we tried this approach in , uh , {vocalsound} interactive system \" , which I don't think has been done before .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and then there was two research questions from that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And one is the k does it still work if you just use the past history ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and the other was this question of , um what I was just talking about now . So I guess that 's why I thought it was interesting .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , a short - time FFT {disfmarker} short - time cepstrum calculation , uh , mean {disfmarker} u mean calculation work that people have in commercial systems , they do this all the time . They {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} they calculate it from previous utterances and then use it , you know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but , uh , as you say , there hasn't been that much with this long {disfmarker} long - time , uh , spectra work .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , o Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's standard . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Pretty common .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , but , u uh , yes . No , it is interesting . And the other thing is , I mean , there 's two sides to these really small , uh , gradations in performance . Um , I mean , on the one hand in a practical system if something is , uh , four point four percent error , four point one percent error , people won't really tell {disfmarker} be able to tell the difference . On the other hand , when you 're doing , uh , research , you may , eh {disfmarker} you might find that the way that you build up a change from a ninety - five percent accurate system to a ninety - eight percent accurate system is through ten or twelve little things that you do that each are point three percent . So {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I don't mean to say that they 're {disfmarker} they 're irrelevant . Uh , they are relevant . But , um , {vocalsound} i for a demo , you won't see it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And , um , Let 's {disfmarker} l let 's see . Um , OK . And then there 's um , another thing I wanna start looking at , um , {vocalsound} wi is , um , the choice of the analysis window length . So I 've just been using two seconds just because that 's what Carlos did before . Uh , I wrote to him asking about he chose the two seconds . And it seemed like he chose it a bit informally . So , um , with the {disfmarker} with the HTK set - up I should be able to do some experiments , on just varying that length , say between one and three seconds , in a few different reverberation conditions , um , say this room and also a few of the artificial impulse responses we have for reverberation , just , um , making some plots and seeing how they look . And , um , so , with the {disfmarker} the sampling rate I was using , one second or two seconds or four seconds is at a power of two um , number of samples and , um , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll jus f for the ones in between I guess I 'll just zero - pad .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I guess one thing that might also be an issue , uh , cuz part of what you 're doing is you 're getting a {disfmarker} a spectrum over a bunch of different kinds of speech sounds . Um , and so it might matter how fast someone was talking for instance .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You know , if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if there 's a lot of phones in one second maybe you 'll get a {disfmarker} a really good sampling of all these different things , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , on the other hand if someone 's talking slowly maybe you 'd need more . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if you have some samples of faster or slower speech but it might make a difference . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , I don't {disfmarker} I don't think the TI - digits data that I have , um , {vocalsound} i is {disfmarker} would be appropriate for that .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , probably not . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But what do you {disfmarker} What about if I w I fed it through some kind of , um , speech processing algorithm that changed the speech rate ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but then you 'll have the degradation of {disfmarker} of , uh , whatever you do uh , added onto that . But maybe . Yeah , maybe if you get something that sounds {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} does a pretty job at that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , uh , just if you think it 's worth looking into .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You could imagine that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it {disfmarker} it is getting a little away from reverberation .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . It 's just that you 're making a choice {disfmarker} uh , I was thinking more from the system aspect , if you 're making a choice for SmartKom , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that it might be that it 's {disfmarker} it c the optimal number could be different , depending on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Could be . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and th the third thing , um , uh , is , um , Barry explained LDA filtering to me yesterday . And so , um , Mike Shire in his thesis um , {vocalsound} did a {disfmarker} a series of experiments , um , training LDA filters in d on different conditions . And you were interested in having me repeat this for {disfmarker} for this mean subtraction approach ? Is {disfmarker} is that right ? Or for these long analysis windows , I guess , is the right way to put it .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I guess , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the issue I was {disfmarker} the general issue I was bringing up was that if you 're {disfmarker} have a moving {disfmarker} {vocalsound} moving window , uh , a wa a {disfmarker} a set of weights times things that , uh , move along , shift along in time , that you have in fact a linear time invariant filter . And you just happened to have picked a particular one by setting all the weights to be equal . And so the issue is what are some other filters that you could use , uh , in that sense of \" filter \" ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And , um , as I was saying , I think the simplest thing to do is not to train anything , but just to do some sort of , uh , uh , hamming or Hanning , uh , kind of window , kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "just sort of to de - emphasize the jarring . So I think that would sort of be the first thing to do . But then , yeah , the LDA i uh , is interesting because it would sort of say well , suppose you actually trained this up to do the best you could by some criterion , what would the filter look like then ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and , um , that 's sort of what we 're doing in this Aur - Aurora stuff . And , uh , it 's still not clear to me in the long run whether the best thing to do would be to do that or to have some stylized version of the filter that looks like these things you 've trained up , because you always have the problem that it 's trained up for one condition and it isn't quite right for another . So . uh {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's why {disfmarker} that 's why RASTA filter has actually ended up lasting a long time , people still using it quite a bit , because y you don't change it . So doesn't get any worse . Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "o OK . So , um , a actually I was just thinking about what I was asking about earlier , wi which is about having {vocalsound} less than say twelve seconds in the SmartKom system to do the mean subtraction . You said in {vocalsound} systems where you use cepstral mean subtraction , they concatenate utterances and , {vocalsound} do you know how they address this issue of , um , testing versus training ? Can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think what they do is they do it always on - line , I mean , that you just take what you have from the past , that you calculate the mean of this and subtract the mean .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then you can {disfmarker} yeah , you {disfmarker} you can increase your window whi while you get {disfmarker} while you are getting more samples .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK , um , and , um , so {disfmarker} so in tha in that case , wh what do they do when they 're t um , performing the cepstral mean subtraction on the training data ? So {disfmarker} because you 'd have hours and hours of training data . So do they cut it off and start over ? At intervals ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So do you have {disfmarker} uh , you {disfmarker} you mean you have files which are hours of hours long ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well , no . I guess not . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , usually you have in the training set you have similar conditions , I mean , file lengths are , I guess the same order or in the same size as for test data , or aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . But it 's {disfmarker} OK . So if someone 's interacting with the system , though , uh , Morgan {disfmarker} uh , Morgan said that you would {vocalsound} tend to , um , {vocalsound} chain utterances together um , r",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think what I was s I thought what I was saying was that , um , at any given point you are gonna start off with what you had from before .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "From {disfmarker} and so if you 're splitting things up into utterances {disfmarker} So , for instance , in a dialogue system , {comment} where you 're gonna be asking , uh , you know , th for some information , there 's some initial th something . And , you know , the first time out you {disfmarker} you might have some general average . But you {disfmarker} you d you don't have very much information yet . But at {disfmarker} after they 've given one utterance you 've got something . You can compute your mean cepstra from that ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and then can use it for the next thing that they say , uh , so that , you know , the performance should be better that second time . Um , and I think the heuristics of exactly how people handle that and how they handle their training I 'm sure vary from place to place . But I think the {disfmarker} ideally , it seems to me anyway , that you {disfmarker} you would wanna do the same thing in training as you do in test . But that 's {disfmarker} that 's just , uh , a prejudice . And I think anybody working on this with some particular task would experiment .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . I g I guess the question I had was , um , amount of data e u was the amount of data that you 'd give it to , um {vocalsound} update this estimate . Because say you {disfmarker} if you have say five thousand utterances in your training set , {vocalsound} um , and you {disfmarker} you keep the mean from the last utterance , by the time it gets to the five thousandth utterance {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , but those are all different people with different {disfmarker} I mean , i in y So for instance , in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in a telephone task , these are different phone calls . So you don't wanna @ @ {comment} chain it together from a {disfmarker} from a different phone call .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so they would {disfmarker} g s",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So it 's within speaker , within phone call ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "if it 's a dialogue system , it 's within whatever this characteristic you 're trying to get rid of is expected to be consistent over ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "r and it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "right . OK , so you 'd {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} and so in training you would start over at {disfmarker} at every new phone call or at every {vocalsound} new speaker . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Now , {vocalsound} you know , maybe you 'd use something from the others just because at the beginning of a call you don't know anything , and so you might have some kind of general thing that 's your best guess to start with . But {disfmarker} So , s I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you know , a lot of these things are proprietary so we 're doing a little bit of guesswork here . I mean , what do comp what do people do who really face these problems in the field ? Well , they have companies and they don't tell other people exactly what they do .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "R right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but I mean , when you {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the hints that you get from what they {disfmarker} when they talk about it are that they do {disfmarker} they all do something like this .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right , OK . I see . Bec - because I {disfmarker} so this SmartKom task first off , it 's this TV and movie information system .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but you might have somebody who 's using it",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "and then later you might have somebody else who 's using it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Right . I {disfmarker} I see .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And so you 'd wanna set some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I was {disfmarker} I was about to say . So if {disfmarker} if you ask it \" What {disfmarker} what movies are on TV tonight ? \" ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "if I look at my wristwatch when I say that it 's about two seconds . The way I currently have the mean subtraction , um , set up , the {disfmarker} the analysis window is two seconds .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So what you just said , about what do you start with , raises a question of {vocalsound} what do I start with then ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I guess it {disfmarker} because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , w OK , so in that situation , though , th maybe what 's a little different there , is I think you 're talking about {disfmarker} there 's only one {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it also depends {disfmarker} we 're getting a little off track here .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "r But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} Uh , there 's been some discussion about whether the work we 're doing in that project is gonna be for the kiosk or for the mobile or for both . And I think for this kind of discussion it matters . If it 's in the kiosk , then the physical situation is the same . It 's gonna {disfmarker} you know , the exact interaction of the microphone 's gonna differ depending on the person and so forth . But at least the basic acoustics are gonna be the same . So f if it 's really in one kiosk , then I think that you could just chain together and {disfmarker} and you know , as much {disfmarker} as much speech as possible to {disfmarker} because what you 're really trying to get at is the {disfmarker} is the reverberation characteristic .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But in {disfmarker} in the case of the mobile , uh , {comment} presumably the acoustic 's changing all over the place .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And in that case you probably don't wanna have it be endless because you wanna have some sort of {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not a question of how long do you think it 's {disfmarker} you can get an approximation to a stationary something , given that it 's not really stationary .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": " Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} I g I guess I s just started thinking of another question , which is , {vocalsound} for {disfmarker} for the very first frame , w what {disfmarker} what do I do if I 'm {disfmarker} if I take {disfmarker} if I use that frame to calculate the mean , then I 'm just gonna get n nothing .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so I should probably have some kind of default {vocalsound} mean for the first f couple of frames ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or subtract nothing . I mean , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Or subtract nothing . And {disfmarker} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I guess that 's something that 's p people have figured out how to deal with in cepstral mean subtraction as well ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah , people do something . They {disfmarker} they , uh , they have some , um , uh , in {disfmarker} in cepstral mean subtraction , for short - term window {disfmarker} analysis windows , as is usually done , you 're trying to get rid of some very general characteristic . And so , uh , if you have any other information about what a general kind of characteristic would be , then you {disfmarker} you can do it there .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You can also {disfmarker} you can also reflect the data . So you take , uh {disfmarker} you know , I 'm not sure how many frames you need .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But you take that many from the front and flip it around to {disfmarker} a as the negative value .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So you can always {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "The other thing is that {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I remember B B N doing this , is that if you have a multi - pass system , um , if the first pass ta it takes most of the computation , the second and the third pass could be very , very quick ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "just looking at a relatively small n small , uh , space of hypotheses .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Then you can do your first pass {vocalsound} without any subtraction at all .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then your second pass , uh , uh , eliminates those {disfmarker} most of those hypotheses by , uh {disfmarker} by having an improved {disfmarker} improved version o of the analysis .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . So that was all I had , for now .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna go , Barry ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . Um , so for the past , {vocalsound} uh , week an or two , I 've been just writing my , uh , formal thesis proposal . Um , so I 'm taking {vocalsound} this qualifier exam that 's coming up in two weeks . And I {disfmarker} I finish writing a proposal and submit it to the committee . Um . And uh , should I {disfmarker} should I explain , uh , more about what {disfmarker} what I 'm proposing to do , and s and stuff ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , briefly .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah briefly .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , so briefly , {vocalsound} I 'm proposing to do a n a new p approach to speech recognition using um , a combination of , uh , multi - band ideas and ideas , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {comment} about the uh , acoustic phonec phonetic approach to speech recognition . Um , so I will be using {vocalsound} these graphical models that {disfmarker} um , that implement the multi - band approach {vocalsound} to recognize a set of intermediate categories that might involve , uh , things like phonetic features {vocalsound} or other {disfmarker} other f feature things that are more closely related to the acoustic signal itself . Um , and the hope in all of this is that by going multi - band and by going into these , {vocalsound} um intermediate classifications , {vocalsound} that we can get a system that 's more robust to {disfmarker} to unseen noises , and situations like that . Um , and so , some of the research issues involved in this are , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} {comment} one , what kind of intermediate categories do we need to classify ? Um , another one is {vocalsound} um , what {disfmarker} what other types of structures in these multi - band graphical models should we consider in order to um , combine evidence from {vocalsound} the sub - bands ? And , uh , the third one is how do we {disfmarker} how do we merge all the , uh , information from the individual uh , multi - band classifiers to come up with word {disfmarker} word recognition or {disfmarker} or phone recognition things . Um , so basically that 's {disfmarker} that 's what I 've been doing . And ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So you 've got two weeks , huh ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I got two weeks to brush up on d um , presentation stuff and , um ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought you were finishing your thesis in two weeks .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But . Oh , that too .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Are you gonna do any dry runs for your thing ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "or are you just gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I , um {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm gonna do some . Would you be interested ? To help out ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Is that it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Hhh . OK . Uh . Hhh . Let 's see . So we 've got forty minutes left , and it seems like there 's a lot of material . An - any suggestions about where we {disfmarker} where we should go next ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Do you wanna go , Sunil ? Maybe we 'll just start with you .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But I actually stuck most of this in our m last meeting with Guenter . Um , but I 'll just {disfmarker} Um , so the last week , uh , I showed some results with only SpeechDat - Car which was like some fifty - six percent . And , uh , I didn't h I mean , I {disfmarker} I found that the results {disfmarker} I mean , I wasn't getting that r results on the TI - digit . So I was like looking into \" why , what is wrong with the TI - digits ? \" . Why {disfmarker} why I was not getting it . And I found that , the noise estimation is a reason for the TI - digits to perform worse than the baseline . So , uh , I actually , picked th I mean , the first thing I did was I just scaled the noise estimate by a factor which is less than one to see if that {disfmarker} because I found there are a lot of zeros in the spectrogram for the TI - digits when I used this approach . So the first thing I did was I just scaled the noise estimate . And I found {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} the results that I 've shown here are the complete results using the new {disfmarker} Well , the n the new technique is nothing but the noise estimate scaled by a factor of point five . So it 's just an ad - hoc {disfmarker} I mean , some intermediate result , because it 's not optimized for anything . So the results {disfmarker} The trend {disfmarker} the only trend I could see from those results was like the {disfmarker} the p the current noise estimation or the , uh , noise composition scheme is working good for like the car noise type of thing . Because I 've {disfmarker} the only {disfmarker} only {disfmarker} p very good result in the TI - digits is the noise {disfmarker} car noise condition for their test - A , which is like the best I could see that uh , for any non - stationary noise like \" Babble \" or \" Subway \" or any {disfmarker} \" Street \" , some \" Restaurant \" noise , it 's like {disfmarker} it 's not performing w very well . So , the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So that {disfmarker} that 's the first thing I c uh , I could make out from this stuff . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think what is important to see is that there is a big difference between the training modes .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . If you have clean training , you get also a fifty percent improvement .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But if you have muddy condition training you get only twenty percent .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and in that twenty percent @ @ it 's very inconsistent across different noise conditions .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So I have like a forty - five {vocalsound} percent for \" Car noise \" and then there 's a minus five percent for the \" Babble \" ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and there 's this thirty - three for the \" Station \" . And so {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not actually very consistent across . So . The only correlation between the SpeechDat - Car and this performance is the c stationarity of the noise that is there in these conditions and the SpeechDat - Car .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so the overall result is like in the last page , which is like forty - seven , which is still very imbalanced because there are like fifty - six percent on the SpeechDat - Car and thirty - five percent on the TI - digits . And {disfmarker} uh , ps the fifty - six percent is like comparable to what the French Telecom gets , but the thirty - five percent is way off .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sort of confused but {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} I 'm looking on the second page ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and it says \" fifty percent \" {disfmarker} looking in the lower right - hand corner , \" fifty percent relative performance \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "For the clean training .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "u And if you {disfmarker} if you look {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "is that fifty percent improvement ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . For {disfmarker} that 's for the clean training and the noisy testing for the TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So it 's improvement over the baseline mel cepstrum ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the baseline mel cepstrum under those training doesn't do as well I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm trying to understand why it 's {disfmarker} it 's eighty percent {disfmarker} That 's an accuracy number , I guess ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "right ? So that 's not as good as the one up above .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the fifty is better than the one up above ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so I 'm confused .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , actually the noise compensation whatever , uh , we are put in it works very well for the high mismatch condition . I mean , it 's consistent in the SpeechDat - Car and in the clean training also it gives it {disfmarker} But this fifty percent is {disfmarker} is that the {disfmarker} the high mismatch performance {disfmarker} equivalent to the high mismatch performance in the speech .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So n s So since the high mismatch performance is much worse to begin with , it 's easier to get a better relative improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I do . Yeah , yeah . So by putting this noise {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , if we look at the figures on the right , we see that the reference system is very bad .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The reference drops like a very fast {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , oh , oh , oh , oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Like for clean {disfmarker} clean training condition .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Nnn .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} this is TI digits {comment} we 're looking at ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "This whole page is TI - digits",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or this is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's not written anywhere . Yeah , it 's TI - digits . The first r spreadsheet is TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . How does clean training do for the , uh , \" Car \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "The \" Car \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "stuff ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Still {disfmarker} it still , uh {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's still consistent . I mean , I get the best performance in the case of \" Car \" , which is the third column in the A condition .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . I mean , this is added noise . I mean , this is TI - digits . I 'm sorry . I meant {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} in the , uh , multi - language , uh , uh , Finnish and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "This is next {disfmarker} next page .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's the next {disfmarker} next spreadsheet , is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So that is the performance for Italian , Finnish and Spanish .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Training condition \" {disfmarker} Oh , right . So \" clean \" corresponds to \" high mismatch \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And \" increase \" , That 's increase e",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Improvement .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Improvement . That 's {disfmarker} \" Percentage increase \" is the percentage improvement over the baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Which means decrease in word error rate ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , so \" percentage increase \" means decrease ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The {disfmarker} the w there was a very long discussion about this on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} on the , uh , Amsterdam meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "How to {disfmarker} how to calculate it then .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There 's {disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess you are using finally this {disfmarker} the scheme which they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Which is there in the spreadsheet .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not changing anything in there .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So . Uh , yeah . So all the hi H M numbers are w very good , in the sense , they are better than what the French Telecom gets . So . But the {disfmarker} the only number that 's still {disfmarker} I mean , which Stephane also got in his result was that medium mismatch of the Finnish , which is very {disfmarker} {vocalsound} which is a very strange situation where we used the {disfmarker} we changed the proto for initializing the HMM {disfmarker} I mean , this {disfmarker} this is basically because it gets stuck in some local minimum in the training . That seventy - five point seven nine in the Finnish mismatch which is that {disfmarker} the eleven point nine six what we see .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So we have to jiggle it somehow ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} so we start with that different proto and it becomes eighty - eight , which is like some fifty percent improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "S Wait a minute . Start with a different what ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Different prototype , which is like a different initialization for the , uh , s transition probabilities . It 's just that right now , the initialization is to stay more in the current state , which is point four point six , right ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And if it changes to point five point five , which is equal @ @ for transition and self loop where it becomes eighty - eight percent .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , but that involves mucking with the back - end ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can't do it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "which is not allowed .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it uh , like , i i i It is well known , this {disfmarker} this medium match condition of the Finnish data has some strange effects .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Very s",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It has a very few at {disfmarker} uh , actually , c uh , tran I mean , words also .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that is {disfmarker} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a very , very small set , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "that too . Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There is a l a {disfmarker} There is a lot of {disfmarker} Uh , there are a lot of utterances with music in {disfmarker} with music in the background .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It has some music also . I mean , very horrible music like like I know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So maybe for that one you need a much smarter VAD ? Mmm ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "if it 's music .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , that {disfmarker} that 's the {disfmarker} that 's about the results . And , uh , the summary is like {disfmarker} OK . So there are {disfmarker} the other thing what I tried was , which I explained in the last meeting , is using the channel zero for , uh , for both dropping and estimating the noise . And that 's like just to f n get a feel of how good it is . I guess the fifty - six percent improvement in the SpeechDat - Car becomes like sixty - seven percent . Like ten percent better . But that 's {disfmarker} that 's not a {disfmarker} that 's a cheating experiment . So . That 's just {disfmarker} So , m w",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} but the , uh , forty - seven point nine percent which you have now , that 's already a remarkable improvement in comparison to the first proposal .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we had forty - four percent in the first proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We have f a big im So {vocalsound} the major improvement that we got was in all the high mismatch cases , because all those numbers were in sixties and seventies because we never had any noise compensations .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So that 's where the biggest improvement came up . Not much in the well match and the medium match and TI - digits also right now . So this is still at three or four percent improvement over the first proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Then if we can improve the noise estimation , then it should get better .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I started thinking about also {disfmarker} I mean yeah , uh , {vocalsound} I discovered the same problem when I started working on {disfmarker} uh , on this Aurora task {vocalsound} almost two years ago , that you have the problem with this mulit a at the beginning we had only this multi condition training of the TI - digits .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , I {disfmarker} I found the same problem . Just taking um , what we were used to u {vocalsound} use , I mean , uh , some type of spectral subtraction , {comment} y {vocalsound} you get even worse results than {vocalsound} the basis",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I tried to find an explanation for it ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So . Yes . Stephane also has the same experience of using the spectral subtraction right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So here {disfmarker} here I mean , I found that it 's {disfmarker} if I changed the noise estimate I could get an improvement .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} so it 's something which I can actually pursue , is the noise estimate .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think what you do is in {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when you have the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this multi - condition training mode , um then you have {disfmarker} then you can train models for the speech , for the words , as well as for the pauses where you really have all information about the noise available .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And it was surprising {disfmarker} At the beginning it was not surprising to me that you get really the best results on doing it this way , I mean , in comparison to any type of training on clean data and any type of processing . But it was {disfmarker} So , u u it {disfmarker} it seems to be the best what {disfmarker} wh wh what {disfmarker} what we can do in this moment is multi - condition training . And every when we now start introducing some {disfmarker} some noise reduction technique we {disfmarker} we introduce also somehow artificial distortions .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And these artificial distortions {disfmarker} uh , I have the feeling that they are the reason why {disfmarker} why we have the problems in this multi - condition training . That means the H M Ms we trained , they are {disfmarker} they are based on Gaussians ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and on modeling Gaussians . And if you {disfmarker} Can I move a little bit with this ? Yeah . And if we introduce now this {disfmarker} this u spectral subtraction , or Wiener filtering stuff {disfmarker} So , usually what you have is maybe , um {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm showing now an envelope um maybe you 'll {disfmarker} f for this time . So usually you have {disfmarker} maybe in clean condition you have something which looks like this . And if it is noisy it is somewhere here . And then you try to subtract it or Wiener filter or whatever . And what you get is you have always these problems , that you have this {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these zeros in there .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And you have to do something if you get these negative values . I mean , this is your noise estimate and you somehow subtract it or do whatever . Uh , and then you have {disfmarker} And then I think what you do is you introduce some {disfmarker} some artificial distribution in this uh in {disfmarker} in the models . I mean , i you {disfmarker} you train it also this way but , i somehow there is {disfmarker} u u there is no longer a {disfmarker} a Gaussian distribution . It is somehow a strange distribution which we introduce with these {vocalsound} artificial distortions . And {disfmarker} and I was thinking that {disfmarker} that might be the reason why you get these problems in the {disfmarker} especially in the multi - condition training mode .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Th - That 's true . Yeah {disfmarker} the c the models are not complex enough to absorb that additional variability that you 're introducing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "s",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Thanks Adam .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I also have the feeling that um , the reason ye why it doesn't work is {disfmarker} yeah , that the models are much {disfmarker} are t um , not complex enough . Because I {disfmarker} actually I als always had a good experience with spectral subtraction , just a straight spectral subtraction algorithm when I was using neural networks , big neural networks , which maybe are more able to model strange distributions and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah . Then I tried the same {disfmarker} exactly the same spectral subtraction algorithm on these Aurora tasks and it simply doesn't work . It 's even {disfmarker} it , uh , hurts even .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We probably should at some point here try the tandem {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the system - two kind of stuff with this , with the spectral subtraction for that reason .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Cuz {vocalsound} again , it should do a transformation to a domain where it maybe {disfmarker} looks more Gaussian .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , y I {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} whe w w just yesterday when I was thinking about it {vocalsound} um w what {disfmarker} what we could try to do , or do about it {disfmarker} I mean , if you {disfmarker} if you get at this {disfmarker} in this situation that you get this {disfmarker} this negative values and you simply set it to zero or to a constant or whatever {vocalsound} if we {disfmarker} if we would use there a somehow , um {disfmarker} a random generator which {disfmarker} which has a certain distribution , u not a certain {disfmarker} {comment} yeah , a special distribution we should see {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we have to think about it .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": " It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And that we , so , introduce again some natural behavior in this trajectory .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Very different from speech . Still , I mean , it shouldn't confuse the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , similar to what {disfmarker} what you see really u in {disfmarker} in the real um noisy situation .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or i in the clean situation . But {disfmarker} but somehow a {disfmarker} a natural distribution .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But isn't that s again sort of the idea of the additive thing , if it {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} as we had in the J stuff ? I mean , basically if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you have random data , um , in {disfmarker} in the time domain , then when you look at the s spectrum it 's gonna be pretty flat . And {disfmarker} and ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "uh , so just add something everywhere rather than just in those places . It 's just a constant , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think {disfmarker} e yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's just especially in these segments , I mean , you introduce , um , very artificial behavior .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Well , see if you add something everywhere , it has almost no effect up {disfmarker} up {disfmarker} up on {disfmarker} on top . And it {disfmarker} and it {disfmarker} and it has significant effect down there .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That was , sort of the idea .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah the {disfmarker} that 's true . That {disfmarker} those {disfmarker} those regions are the cause for this @ @ {disfmarker} those negative values or whatever you get .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker} we could trit uh , we {disfmarker} we could think how w what {disfmarker} what we could try .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} it was just an idea .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I think when it 's noisy people should just speak up .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "to {disfmarker} Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If we look at the France Telecom proposal , they use some kind of noise addition . They have a random number generator , right ? And they add noise on the trajectory of , uh , the log energy only , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , they do !",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "C - z C - zero and log energy also , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , But I don't know how much effect it {disfmarker} this have , but they do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Now ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it is l somehow similar to what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I think because they have th log energy , yeah , and then just generate random number . They have some kind of mean and variance , and they add this number to {disfmarker} to the log energy simply . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the log energy , the {disfmarker} after the clean {disfmarker} cleaning up .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To the l",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So they add a random {disfmarker} random noise to it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "To the {disfmarker} just the energy , or to the mel {disfmarker} uh , to the mel filter ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "No . On - only to the log energy .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Only {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} Cuz I mean , I think this is most interesting for the mel filters . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or F F one or the other .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but they do not apply filtering of the log energy or what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Like , uh {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker} like a spectral subtraction or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} their filter is not M domain . S so they did filter their time signal",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I kn",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and then what @ @ {disfmarker} u",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then they calculate from this , the log energy",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} then after that it is s almost the same as the baseline prop system .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And then the final log energy that they {disfmarker} that they get , that {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} to that they add some random noise .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but again , that 's just log energy as opposed to {vocalsound} filter bank energy .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it 's not the mel .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's not the mel filter bank output .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "These are log energy computed from the time s domain signal ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "not from the mel filter banks . So {disfmarker} did {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it 's just a way to decrease the importance of this particular parameter in the {disfmarker} in the world feature vector cu if you add noise to one of the parameters , you widen the distributions",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Becomes flat . The variance , yeah , reduces ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so . Hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Eee - sss - uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it could reduce the dependence on the amplitude and so on . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Although {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So is , uh {disfmarker} Is that about it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK . So the other thing is the {disfmarker} I 'm just looking at a little bit on the delay issue where the delay of the system is like a hundred and eighty millisecond . So {vocalsound} I just {disfmarker} just tried another sk system {disfmarker} I mean , another filter which I 've like shown at the end . Which is very similar to the existing uh , filter . Only {disfmarker} Uh , only thing is that the phase is {disfmarker} is like a totally nonlinear phase because it 's a {disfmarker} it 's not a symmetric filter anymore .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "This is for the LDA ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so this {disfmarker} this is like {disfmarker} So this makes the delay like zero for LDA because it 's completely causal .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So I got actually just the results for the Italian for that and that 's like {disfmarker} So the fifty - one point O nine has become forty - eight point O six , which is like three percent relative degradation . So I have like the fifty - one point O nine",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So . I don't know it f fares for the other conditions . So it 's just like {disfmarker} it 's like a three percent relative degradation , with the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but is there {disfmarker} is there a problem with the one hundred eighty milliseconds ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "u Uh , may",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Th - Well , this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , I talked to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} uh , I ta Uh , I talked , uh , about it with {disfmarker} with Hynek . I mean , there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} So , basically our {disfmarker} our position is {vocalsound} that , um , we shouldn't be unduly constraining the latency at this point because we 're all still experimenting with trying to make the performance better in the presence of noise . Uh , there is a minority in that group who is a arguing {disfmarker} who are arguing for {vocalsound} um , uh , having a further constraining of the latency . So we 're s just continuing to keep aware of what the trade - offs are and , you know , what {disfmarker} what do we gain from having longer or shorter latencies ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But since we always seem to at least get something out of longer latencies not being so constrained , we 're tending to go with that if we 're not told we can't do it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} where was the , um {disfmarker} the smallest latency of all the systems last time ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "The French Telecom .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , France Telecom was {disfmarker} was {disfmarker} was very short latency",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "and they had a very good result .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what was it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "It was thirty - five .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It was in the order of thirty milliseconds",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Thirteen ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "th th",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thirty .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Thirty .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Thirty - four .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it 's possible to get very short latency .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But , again , we 're {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the approaches that we 're using are ones that {vocalsound} take advantage of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I was just curious about where we are compared to , you know , the shortest that people have done .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but I think this thirty milliseconds {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they did {disfmarker} it did not include the {disfmarker} the delta calculation .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And this is included now ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So if they include the delta , it will be an additional forty millisecond .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I don't remember the {disfmarker} i th They were not using the HTK delta ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No , they 're using a nine - point window , which is like a four on either side ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Nine - point .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "which is like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "f so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "they didn't include that .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Where does the comprish compression in decoding delay comes from ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's the way the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the frames are packed , like you have to wait for one more frame to pack . Because it 's {disfmarker} the CRC is computed for two frames always .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that {disfmarker} the they would need that forty milliseconds also .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No . They actually changed the compression scheme altogether .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So they have their own compression and decoding scheme and they {disfmarker} I don't know what they have .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But they have coded zero delay for that . Because they ch I know they changed it , their compression . They have their own CRC , their {disfmarker} their own {vocalsound} error correction mechanism .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So they don't have to wait more than one more frame to know whether the current frame is in error .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So they changed the whole thing so that there 's no delay for that compression and {disfmarker} part also .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Even you have reported actually zero delay for the {pause} compression . I thought maybe you also have some different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mmm . No , I think I {disfmarker} I used this scheme as it was before .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Ah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , we 've got twenty minutes so we should {vocalsound} probably try to move along . Uh , did you wanna go next , Stephane ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I can go next . Yeah . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Wait a minute . It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} Yeah , we have to take {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute . I think {vocalsound} I 'm confused .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So you have w w one sheet ? This one is {disfmarker} you don't need it , alright .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So you have to take the whole {disfmarker} the five . There should be five sheets .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I have four now because I left one with Dave because I thought I was dropping one off and passing the others on . So , no , we 're not . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Please give me one .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Ah , we need one more over here .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , maybe there 's not enough for everybody .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I can share with Barry .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Can we look at this ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , there are two figures showing actually the , mmm , um , performance of the current VAD . So it 's a n neural network based on PLP parameters , uh , which estimate silence probabilities , and then I just put a median filtering on this to smooth the probabilities , right ? Um {disfmarker} I didn't use the {disfmarker} the scheme that 's currently in the proposal because {vocalsound} I don't want to {disfmarker} In the proposal {disfmarker} Well , in {disfmarker} in the system we want to add like speech frame before every word and a little bit of {disfmarker} of , uh , s a couple of frames after also . Uh , but to estimate the performance of the VAD , we don't want to do that , because it would artificially increase the um {disfmarker} the false alarm rate of speech detection . Right ? Um , so , there is u normally a figure for the Finnish and one for Italian . And maybe someone has two for the Italian because I 'm missing one figure here .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Well , whatever . Uh {disfmarker} Yeah , so one surprising thing that we can notice first is that apparently the speech miss rate is uh , higher than the false alarm rate . So . It means {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so what is the lower curve and the upper curve ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah , there are two curves . One curve 's for the close - talking microphone , which is the lower curve .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And the other one is for the distant microphone",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "which has more noise so , it 's logical that {vocalsound} it performs worse . So as I was saying , the miss rate is quite important uh , which means that we tend to label speech as {disfmarker} as a silence . And , uh , I didn't analyze further yet , but {vocalsound} I think it 's {disfmarker} it may be due to the fricative sounds which may be {disfmarker} in noisy condition maybe label {disfmarker} labelled as silence . And it may also be due to the alignment because {disfmarker} well , the reference alignment . Because right now I just use an alignment obtained from {disfmarker} from a system trained on channel zero . And I checked it a little bit but there might be alignment errors . Um , yeah , e like the fact that {vocalsound} {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the models tend to align their first state on silence and their last state o on silence also . So the reference {disfmarker} reference alignment would label as speech some silence frame before speech and after speech . This is something that we already noticed before when {disfmarker} mmm , So this cus this could also explain , uh , the high miss rate maybe . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and this {disfmarker} this curves are the average over the whole database , so .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah , and the different points of the curves are for five uh , thresholds on the probability {comment} uh from point three to point seven .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that threshold {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . S OK {disfmarker} so d the detection threshold is very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So the v",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "The VAD ? Yeah . There first , a threshold on the probability {comment} @ @ {comment} That puts all the values to zero or one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And then the median filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the median filtering is fixed . You just change the threshold ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's fixed ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Mm - hmm . So , going from channel zero to channel one , uh , almost double the error rate . Um , Yeah . Well , so it 's a reference performance that we can {disfmarker} you know , if we want to {disfmarker} to work on the VAD , {comment} we can work on this basis",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Is this {disfmarker} is this VAD a MLP ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . How {disfmarker} how big is it ?",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a very big one . I don't remember .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So three {disfmarker} three hundred and fifty inputs ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "m",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh , six thousand hidden nodes and two outputs . t t",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Middle - sized one .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , ppp . I don't know , you have questions about that , or suggestions ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . S so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It seems {disfmarker} the performance seems worse in Finnish , which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's not trained on Finnish .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's worse .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "It 's not trained on Finnish , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What 's it trained on ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the MLP 's not trained on Finnish .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right , what 's it trained on ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker} oh . Sorry . Uh , it 's Italian TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , it 's trained on Italian ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And also there are like funny noises on Finnish more than on Italian . I mean , like music",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , the {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} So , yeah , we were looking at this . But for most of the noises , noises are {disfmarker} um , I don't know if we want to talk about that . But , well , the {disfmarker} the \" Car \" noises are below like five hundred hertz . And we were looking at the \" Music \" utterances and in this case the noise is more about two thousand hertz .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the music energy 's very low apparently . Uh , uh , from zero to two {disfmarker} two thousand hertz . So maybe just looking at this frequency range for {disfmarker} from five hundred to two thousand would improve somewhat the VAD",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So there are like some {disfmarker} some s some parameters you wanted to use or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , the next , um {disfmarker} Oh , it 's there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So is the {disfmarker} is the {disfmarker} is the training {disfmarker} is the training based on these labels files which you take as reference here ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Wh - when you train the neural net y y you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "No . It 's not . It 's {disfmarker} it was trained on some alignment obtained um , uh {disfmarker} For the Italian data , I think we trained the neural network on {disfmarker} with embedded training . So re - estimation of the alignment using the neural network , I guess . That 's right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We actually trained , uh , the {disfmarker} on the Italian training part .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we had another {vocalsound} system with u",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So it was a f f a phonetic classification system for the Italian Aurora data .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It must be somewhere . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "For the Aurora data that it was trained on , it was different . Like , for TI - digits you used a {disfmarker} a previous system that you had , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} No it {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So the alignments from the different database that are used for training came from different system .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Syste Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Then we put them tog together . Well , you put them together and trained the VAD on them .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , But did you use channel {disfmarker} did you align channel one also ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I just took their entire Italian training part .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it was both channel zero plus channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So di Yeah . So the alignments might be wrong then on channel one , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "On one . Possible .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So we might ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We can do a realignment .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "at least want to retrain on these alignments , which should be better because they come from close - talking microphone .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} that was my idea . I mean , if {disfmarker} if it ha if it is not the same labeling which is taking the spaces .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , possible .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it {disfmarker} so the system {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so the VAD was trained on maybe different set of labels for channel zero and channel one",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "was the alignments were w were different for {disfmarker} s certainly different because they were independently trained .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We didn't copy the channel zero alignments to channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But for the new alignments what you generated , you just copied the channel zero to channel one , right ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . Um . And eh , hhh actually when we look at {disfmarker} at the VAD , {vocalsound} for some utterances it 's almost perfect , I mean , it just dropped one frame , the first frame of speech or {disfmarker} So there are some utterances where it 's almost one hundred percent VAD performance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but {disfmarker} Yeah . Mmm {disfmarker} Yep . So the next thing is um , I have the spreadsheet for three different system . But for this you only have to look right now on the SpeechDat - Car performance uh , because I didn't test {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} I didn't test the spectral subtraction on TI - digits yet . Uh , so you have three she sheets . One is the um proposal - one system . Actually , it 's not exe exactly proposal - one . It 's the system that Sunil just described . Um , but with uh , Wiener filtering from um , France Telecom included . Um , so this gives like fifty - seven point seven percent , uh , s uh , error rate reduction on the SpeechDat - Car data . Mmm , and then I have two sheets where it 's for a system where {disfmarker} uh , so it 's again the same system . But in this case we have spectral subtraction with a maximum overestimation factor of two point five . Uh , there is smoothing of the gain trajectory with some kind of uh , low - pass filter , which has forty milliseconds latency . And then , after subtraction um , I add a constant to the energies and I have two cases d where {disfmarker} The first case is where the constant is twenty - five DB below the mean speech energy and the other is thirty DB below . Um , and for these s two system we have like fifty - five point , uh , five - percent improvement , and fifty - eight point one . So again , it 's around fifty - six , fifty - seven . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I notice the TI - digits number is exactly the same for these last two ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because I didn't {disfmarker} For the France Telecom uh , spectral subtraction included in the {disfmarker} our system , the TI - digits number are the right one , but not for the other system because I didn't test it yet {disfmarker} this system , including {disfmarker} with spectral subtraction on the TI - digits data . I just tested it on SpeechDat - Car .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah ! So {disfmarker} so that means the only thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so these numbers are simply {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "This , we have to {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But this number .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} so you just should look at that fifty - eight perc point O nine percent and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um , Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So this {disfmarker} So by {disfmarker} uh , by {disfmarker} by reducing the noise a {disfmarker} a decent threshold like minus thirty DB , it 's like {disfmarker} Uh , you are like r r reducing the floor of the noisy regions , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "s",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . The floor is lower . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm sorry . So when you say minus twenty - five or minus thirty DB , with respect to what ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "To the average um , speech energy which is estimated on the world database .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so basically you 're creating a signal - to - noise ratio of twenty - five or thirty DB ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh r",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think what you do is this .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "i When {disfmarker} when you have this , {vocalsound} after you subtracted it , I mean , then you get something w w with this , uh , where you set the values to zero and then you simply add an additive constant again .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you shift it somehow . This {disfmarker} this whole curve is shifted again .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But did you do that before the thresholding to zero ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But , it 's after the thresholding .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so you 'd really want to do it before ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "maybe we might do it before ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because then the {disfmarker} then you would have less of that phenomenon .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "E Hhh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "c",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But still , when you do this and you take the log after that , it {disfmarker} it reduce the {disfmarker} the variance .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Mmm ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that will reduce the variance . That 'll help . But maybe if you does {disfmarker} do it before you get less of these funny - looking things he 's drawing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So before it 's like adding this , col to the {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} o exi original {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "We would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right at the point where you 've done the subtraction .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , essentially you 're adding a constant into everything .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But the way Stephane did it , it is exactly the way I have implemented in the phone , so .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , better do it different , then . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just you {disfmarker} you just ta you just set it for a particular signal - to - noise ratio that you want ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I {disfmarker} I made s similar investigations like Stephane did here , just uh , adding this constant and {disfmarker} and looking how dependent is it on the value of the constant",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and then , must choose them somehow {vocalsound} to give on average the best results for a certain range of the signal - to - noise ratios .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's clear . I should have gi given other results . Also it 's clear when you don't add noise , it 's much worse . Like , around five percent worse I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And if you add too much noise it get worse also . And it seems that {vocalsound} right now this {disfmarker} this is c a constant that does not depend on {disfmarker} {comment} on anything that you can learn from the utterance . It 's just a constant noise addition . Um . And I {disfmarker} I think w w",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry . Then {disfmarker} then I 'm confused .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I thought {disfmarker} you 're saying it doesn't depend on the utterance but I thought you were adding an amount that was twenty - five DB down from the signal energy .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the way I did that , {comment} i I just measured the average speech energy of the {disfmarker} all the Italian data .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I have {disfmarker} I used this as mean speech energy . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's just a constant amount over all .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "wha what I observed is that for Italian and Spanish , {comment} when you go to thirty and twenty - five DB , {comment} uh it {disfmarker} it 's good .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It stays {disfmarker} In this range , it 's , uh , the p u well , the performance of the {disfmarker} this algorithm is quite good . But for Finnish , {vocalsound} you have a degradation already when you go from thirty - five to thirty and then from thirty to twenty - five . And {disfmarker} I have the feeling that maybe it 's because just Finnish has a mean energy that 's lower than {disfmarker} than the other databases . And due to this the thresholds should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the a the noise addition should be lower",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But in {disfmarker} I mean , in the real thing you 're not gonna be able to measure what people are doing over half an hour or an hour , or anything , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you have to come up with this number from something else .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but you are not doing it now language dependent ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It 's not . It 's just something that 's fixed .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No . It 's overall .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But what he is doing language dependent is measuring what that number i reference is that he comes down twenty - five down from .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I g No . It {disfmarker} No .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Because I did it {disfmarker} I started working on Italian . I obtained this average energy",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and then I used this one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "For all the languages . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's sort of arbitrary .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , so if y if {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , so the next thing is to use this as {disfmarker} as maybe initialization",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and then use something on - line .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Something more adaptive ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And I expect improvement at least in Finnish because eh {disfmarker} the way {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , um , for Italian and Spanish it 's {disfmarker} th this value works good but not necessarily for Finnish . Mmm . But unfortunately there is , like , this forty millisecond latency and , um {disfmarker} Yeah , so I would try to somewhat reduce this @ @ . I already know that if I completely remove this latency , so . {vocalsound} um , {comment} it {disfmarker} um there is a three percent hit on Italian .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "d Does latency {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Go ahead .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Your {disfmarker} your smoothing was @ @ {comment} uh , over this s so to say , the {disfmarker} the factor of the Wiener . And then it 's , uh {disfmarker} What was it ? This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "this smoothing , it was over the subtraction factor , so to say .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a smoothing over the {disfmarker} the gain of the subtraction algorithm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Was this done {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . And {disfmarker} and you are looking into the future , into the past .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And smoothing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So , to smooth this {pause} thing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And did {disfmarker} did you try simply to smooth um to smooth the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} t to {disfmarker} to smooth stronger the {disfmarker} the envelope ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um , no , I did not .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because I mean , it should have a similar effect if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you {disfmarker} you have now several stages of smoothing , so to say . You start up . As far as I remember you {disfmarker} you smooth somehow the envelope , you smooth somehow the noise estimate ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and later on you smooth also this subtraction factor .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , it 's {disfmarker} it 's just the gain that 's smoothed actually",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , actually I d I do all the smoothing .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but it 's smoothed {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Oh , it w it was you .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , in this case it 's just the gain .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "But the way it 's done is that um , for low gain , there is this non nonlinear smoothing actually . For low gains um , I use the smoothed sm uh , smoothed version but {disfmarker} for high gain @ @ {comment} it 's {disfmarker} I don't smooth .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Mm - hmm . I just , uh {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Experience shows you , if {disfmarker} if you do the {disfmarker} The best is to do the smoo smoothing as early as possible .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So w when you start up . I mean , you start up with the {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} somehow with the noisy envelope .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , best is to smooth this somehow .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , yeah , I could try this . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "So , before estimating the SNR , @ @ smooth the envelope .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But {disfmarker} Yeah . Then I {disfmarker} I would need to find a way to like smooth less also when there is high energy . Cuz I noticed that it {disfmarker} it helps a little bit to s like smooth more during low energy portions and less during speech ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , y",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "because if you smooth then y you kind of distort the speech .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think when w you {disfmarker} you could do it in this way that you say , if you {disfmarker} if I 'm {disfmarker} you have somehow a noise estimate ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , if you say I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} with my envelope I 'm close to this noise estimate ,",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "then you have a bad signal - to - noise ratio and then you {disfmarker} you would like to have a stronger smoothing .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you could {disfmarker} you could base it on your estimation of the signal - to - noise ratio on your actual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or some silence probability from the VAD if you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , but I don't trust {vocalsound} the current VAD . So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh , so not {disfmarker} not right now maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The VAD later will be much better .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So is {pause} that it ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , fff {comment} I think that 's it . Yeah . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "s So to summarize the performance of these , SpeechDat - Car results is similar than {disfmarker} than yours so to say .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the fifty - eight is like the be some fifty - six point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Y you have {disfmarker} you have fifty - six point four",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and dependent on this additive constant , it is s better or {disfmarker} or worse .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Slightly better .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": " ",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And , {vocalsound} yeah , i i i the condition where it 's better than your approach , it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} just because maybe it 's better on well matched and that the weight on well matched is {disfmarker} is bigger ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , you {disfmarker} you caught up .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "if you don't weigh differently the different condition , you can see that your {disfmarker} well , the win the two - stage Wiener filtering is maybe better or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's better for high mismatch , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's better for high mismatch .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . But a little bit worse for well matched .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So over all it gets , yeah , worse for the well matched condition , so y",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So we need to combine these two .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the best thing , is like the French Telecom system is optimized for the well matched condition . They c",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So they know that the weighting is good for the well matched , and so there 's {disfmarker} everywhere the well matched 's s s performance is very good for the French Telecom .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "T we are {disfmarker} we may also have to do something similar @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , our tradition here has always been to focus on the mismatched .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's more interesting .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mu - my {disfmarker} mine was it too , I mean .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Before I started working on this Aurora .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Carmen ? Do you , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , I only say that the {disfmarker} this is , a summary of the {disfmarker} of all the VTS experiments and say that the result in the last {comment} um , for Italian {disfmarker} the last experiment for Italian , {vocalsound} are bad . I make a mistake when I write . Up at D I copy {vocalsound} one of the bad result .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} There . {vocalsound} You know , this . Um , well . If we put everything , we improve a lot u the spectral use of the VTS but the final result {vocalsound} are not still mmm , good {vocalsound} like the Wiener filter for example . I don't know . Maybe it 's {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} it 's possible to {disfmarker} to have the same result .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "That 's somewhere {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly . Mmm . Because I have , {vocalsound} mmm , {comment} worse result in medium mismatch and high mismatch .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "You s you have a better r Yeah . You have some results that are good for the high mismatch .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Yeah . I someti are more or less similar but {disfmarker} but are worse . And still I don't have the result for TI - digits . The program is training . Maybe for this weekend I will have result TI - digits and I can complete that s like this . Well .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "One thing that I {comment} note are not here in this result {vocalsound} but are speak {disfmarker} are spoken before with Sunil I {disfmarker} I improve my result using clean LDA filter .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "If I use , {vocalsound} eh , the LDA filter that are training with the noisy speech , {vocalsound} that hurts the res my results .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So what are these numbers here ? Are these with the clean or with the noisy ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "This is with the clean .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "With the noise I have worse result , that if I doesn't use it .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
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"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because I think that you {disfmarker} did some experiments using the two {disfmarker} the two LDA filter , clean and noi and noise ,",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
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"content": "It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and it doesn't matter too much .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , I did that but it doesn't matter on SpeechDat - Car , but , it matters , uh , a lot on TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Using the clean filter .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's better to use clean .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , d uh , it 's much better when you {disfmarker} we used the clean derived LDA filter .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Maybe you can do d also this .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "To use clean speech .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'll try .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but , yeah , Sunil in {disfmarker} in your result it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I 'll try the cle No , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} my result is with the noisy {disfmarker} noisy LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's with the noisy one . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's with the noisy . Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's not the clean LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's {disfmarker} In {disfmarker} in the front sheet , I have like {disfmarker} like the summary . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and your result {comment} is with the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's with the clean LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . This is {disfmarker} Your results are all with the clean LDA result ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , with the clean LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "OK . @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And in your case it 's all {disfmarker} all noisy ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is that the reason ?",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "All noisy , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} ",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But I observe my case it 's in , uh , uh , at least on SpeechDat - Car it doesn't matter but TI - digits it 's like two or three percent absolute , uh , {comment} better .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "On TI - digits this matters . Absolute . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So you really might wanna try the clean I think .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I will have to look at it . Yeah , that 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , that could be sizeable right there .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And this is everything .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you {disfmarker} you are leaving in {disfmarker} in about two weeks Carmen . No ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I mean , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if I would put it {disfmarker} put on the head of a project mana manager {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I I would say , uh , um {disfmarker} I mean there is not so much time left now .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Be my guest .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , what {disfmarker} what I would do is I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I would pick @ @ {comment} the best consolation , which you think , and {vocalsound} c create {disfmarker} create all the results for the whole database that you get to the final number as {disfmarker} as Sunil did it",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "And prepare at the s",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} um and maybe also to {disfmarker} to write somehow a document where you describe your approach , and what you have done .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was thinking to do that next week .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll borrow the head back and {disfmarker} and agree . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I wi I {disfmarker} I will do that next week .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} Right . In fact , actually I g I guess the , uh {disfmarker} the Spanish government , uh , requires that anyway . They want some kind of report from everybody who 's in the program .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "So . And of course I 'd {disfmarker} we 'd {disfmarker} we 'd like to see it too . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , um , what 's {disfmarker} Do you think we , uh , should do the digits or skip it ? Or what are {disfmarker} what do you think ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we have them now ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , got them .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Uh , why don why don't we do it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Just {comment} {disfmarker} just take a minute .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I can send yet .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "Would you pass those down ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , um , so I guess I 'll go ahead . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Seat ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Dave ? Is it the channel , or the mike ? I don't remember . It 's the mike ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mike ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's not four .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This is date and time . No . On the channel , channel .",
"speaker": "PhD H"
},
{
"content": "What is this ?",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "t",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , if you could just leave , um , your mike on top of your , uh , digit form I can fill in any information that 's missing .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor G"
},
{
"content": "That 's uh {disfmarker} I didn't get a chance to fill them out ahead of time . Yeah , we 're gonna have to fix that . Uh , let 's see , it starts with one here , and then goes around and ends with nine here .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Seven . So I {disfmarker} I 'm eight ,",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "So he 's eight ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "you 're seven .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
},
{
"content": "you 're seven ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad A"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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],
"topic": "Current state of the final model"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"116"
]
],
"topic": "Noise suppression and overall performance"
},
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"topic": "Neural network and VAD"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"topic": "Frame dropping and noise estimation"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"451"
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"topic": "Finalizing model"
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{
"answer": "The group discussed the current state of their work, which was coming close to a conclusion. They were putting together their final model, including the various techniques they had explored. Their performance on the Aurora tasks was second and very close to those in first place. The professor thought that further tweaking and incorporation of a neural network would improve their scores. The team discussed which method to use for noise suppression, which had not been decided yet. They also delved into a more detailed discussion of the VAD and latency. Their method for noise estimation would add a notable delay to the model. Finally, the team delved further into how to finish up the model.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
}
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{
"answer": "The team had started putting together the various techniques they had developed into a single software. Their score was 53.6 and it was working on spectral subtraction and noise addition after cleaning up mel bins. The professor did not think much had changed.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the state of the final model",
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"6",
"42"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "PhD E explained that the best result was when FFT bins were applied with a Wiener filter and no noise was added. The results with noise addition were very close, but not as good.",
"query": "What did PhD E say about the best result?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"23",
"33"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The professor was happy to hear that the team had already started putting together a final software. The professor also noted that Finnish and Spanish had the smallest overall number compared to Aurora.",
"query": "What did the professor say about the final model?",
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"7",
"41"
]
]
},
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"answer": "The team thought that the differences in performance between well-matched and high mismatch may have to do with the frame dropping problem. Tinkering around and changing a few small things was suggested as a way of improving performance. The team though it would also be nice to have the net on the server side where it would use less bandwidth. The team also discussed if averaging over the entire spectrum was a good idea.",
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"339"
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"answer": "PhD E thought that changing a few things could result in an improvement, but they had to be careful with the neural net. PhD also played around with noise estimation to improve the model but did not play around with it much.",
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"answer": "The professor wanted to know how much the model improved due to frame dropping. He thought four or five changes would result in good improvements. The professor highlighted that improvements should not come at a higher bandwidth.",
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{
"content": "Alright . We 're on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Test , um . Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , Thursday .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So . There 's two sheets of paper in front of us .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What are these ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "This is the arm wrestling ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalition actually .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Almost .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We already made it into one .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's the best thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , tell me about it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending on if we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh {disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's very simple , smoothing things .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is {vocalsound} when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's good because {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it 's difficult when we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to find the right level .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Are you looking at one in {disfmarker} in particular of these two ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , the results are similar .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {comment} it 's actually , uh , very similar .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , {vocalsound} if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's worse on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "on the multi - condition in TI - digits . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh , uh . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and we",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So a week ago {disfmarker} maybe you weren't around when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hynek was here .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I didn't .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize . Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful . What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "p - p - p",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We , uh {disfmarker} we looked at , {nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh , I think it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression . But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and so , uh , th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh , completely different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the ideal filtering , and depending on how you construct the problem .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , I guess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after that meeting it sort of made more sense to me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? And typically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you 're {disfmarker} when you 're doing the {disfmarker} the , uh , um , {vocalsound} looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signals",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and you 're gonna end up looking at power {disfmarker} uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce . And so , eh {disfmarker} so there should be a difference {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , conceptually of {disfmarker} of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} uh , over - subtraction and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so forth , um , that {vocalsound} arguably , you 're c and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and the choice of do you {disfmarker} do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand . There 're so many other choices to make that are {disfmarker} are almost {disfmarker} well , if not independent , certainly in addition to {pause} the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , that , um , {vocalsound} @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , go forward with it . So that 's {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker} that was last week . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , go arm wrestle , you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "figure it out . I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and so they {disfmarker} so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and {disfmarker} and they came out with a single {disfmarker} single piece of software . So it 's {vocalsound} another {disfmarker} another victory for international collaboration . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so you guys have combined {disfmarker} or you 're going to be combining the software ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh boy .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "like you can parse command - line arguments . So depending on that , it {disfmarker} it becomes either spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , ye",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "They 're close enough .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's fine , but the thing is {disfmarker} the important thing is that there is a piece of software that you {disfmarker} that we all will be using now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "There 's just one piece of software .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I need to allow it to do everything and even more {disfmarker} more than this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Parameters . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can do it later . But , still {disfmarker} so , there will be a piece of software with , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how is {disfmarker} how good is that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't have a sense of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's just one percent off of the {pause} best proposal .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Best system .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It 's between {disfmarker} i we are second actually if we take this system .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {disfmarker} w which we sort of were before",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but we were considerably far behind . And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance . You know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} so , um , it 's {disfmarker} it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , and it {disfmarker} it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before . Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh , {vocalsound} we didn't have any explicit noise , uh , handling {disfmarker} stationary {disfmarker} dealing with {disfmarker} e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And now we do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So will the {pause} neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do {disfmarker} I mean , I gather you have {disfmarker} it sounds like you have a few more days of {disfmarker} of nailing things down with the software and so on . But {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} but , um , {vocalsound} arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we should for now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then focus on {pause} everything that 's left . And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back , {vocalsound} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , really just to have a firm path , uh , for the {disfmarker} you know , for the time he 's gone , of {disfmarker} of , uh , what things will be attacked . But I would {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would thought think that what we would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other things in the system ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and then we 'll probably wanna come back to this and possibly make some other choices . But , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But just conceptually , where does the neural net go ? Do {disfmarker} do you wanna h run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , depending on its size {disfmarker} Well , one question is , is it on the , um , server side or is it on the terminal side ? Uh , if it 's on the server side , it {disfmarker} you probably don't have to worry too much about size .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's kind of an argument for that . We do still , however , have to consider its latency . So the issue is {disfmarker} is , um , {vocalsound} for instance , could we have a neural net that only looked at the past ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , what we 've done in uh {disfmarker} in the past is to use the neural net , uh , to transform , {vocalsound} um , all of the features that we use . So this is done early on . This is essentially , {vocalsound} um , um {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's more or less like a spee a speech enhancement technique here {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ? {disfmarker} where we 're just kind of creating {vocalsound} new {disfmarker} if not new speech at least new {disfmarker} new FFT 's that {disfmarker} that have {disfmarker} you know , which could be turned into speech {disfmarker} uh , that {disfmarker} that have some of the noise removed .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , after that we still do a mess of other things to {disfmarker} to produce a bunch of features .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then those features are not now currently transformed {vocalsound} by the neural net . And then the {disfmarker} the way that we had it in our proposal - two before , we had the neural net transformed features and we had {vocalsound} the untransformed features , which I guess you {disfmarker} you actually did linearly transform with the KLT ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} uh , to orthogonalize them {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but they were not , uh , processed through a neural net . And Stephane 's idea with that , as I recall , was that {vocalsound} you 'd have one part of the feature vector that was very discriminant and another part that wasn't ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , which would smooth things a bit for those occasions when , uh , the testing set was quite different than what you 'd trained your discriminant features for . So , um , all of that is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} still seems like a good idea . The thing is now we know some other constraints . We can't have unlimited amounts of latency . Uh , y you know , that 's still being debated by the {disfmarker} by people in Europe but , {vocalsound} uh , no matter how they end up there , it 's not going to be unlimited amounts ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "so we have to be a little conscious of that . Um . So there 's the neural net issue . There 's the VAD issue . And , uh , there 's the second stream {pause} thing . And I think those that we {disfmarker} last time we agreed that those are the three things that have to get , uh , focused on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What was the issue with the VAD ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , better {comment} ones are good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And so the w the default , uh , boundaries that they provide are {disfmarker} they 're OK , but they 're not all that great ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess they still allow two hundred milliseconds on either side or some ? Is that what the deal is ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , so th um , they keep two hundred milliseconds at the beginning and end of speech . And they keep all the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Outside the beginnings and end .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And all the speech pauses , which is {disfmarker} Sometimes on the SpeechDat - Car you have pauses that are more than one or two seconds .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "More than one second for sure . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And , yeah , it seems to us that this way of just dropping the beginning and end is not {disfmarker} We cou we can do better , I think ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "because , um , {vocalsound} with this way of dropping the frames they improve {pause} over the baseline by fourteen percent and {vocalsound} Sunil already showed that with our current VAD we can improve by more than twenty percent .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "On top of the VAD that they provide ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Just using either their VAD or our current VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Our way .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , our current VAD is {disfmarker} is more than twenty percent , while their is fourteen .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Theirs is fourteen ? I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah . And {pause} another thing that we did also is that we have all this training data for {disfmarker} let 's say , for SpeechDat - Car . We have channel zero which is clean , channel one which is far - field microphone . And if we just take only the , um , VAD probabilities computed on the clean signal and apply them on the far - field , uh , test utterances , {vocalsound} then results are much better .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In some cases it divides the error rate by two .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it means that there are stim {comment} still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how much latency does the , uh {disfmarker} does our VAD add ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} if we can have a good VAD , well , it would be great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is it significant ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right now it 's , um , a neural net with nine frames .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's forty milliseconds plus , um , the rank ordering , which , uh , should be",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Like another ten frames .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "ten {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Rank . Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , right now it 's one hundred and forty {pause} milliseconds .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "With the rank ordering {disfmarker} ? I 'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the smoothing {disfmarker} the m the {disfmarker} the filtering of the probabilities .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} The , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "on the R .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's not a median filtering . It 's just {disfmarker} We don't take the median value . We take something {disfmarker} Um , so we have eleven , um , frames .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , this is for the VAD .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} for the VAD , yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "and we take th the third .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Dar",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . So {disfmarker} {comment} Yeah , I was just noticing on this that it makes reference to delay .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So what 's the {disfmarker} ? If you ignore {disfmarker} Um , the VAD is sort of in {disfmarker} in parallel , isn't i isn't it , with {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} ? I mean , it isn't additive with the {disfmarker} the , uh , LDA and the Wiener filtering , and so forth .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The LDA ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker} so what happened right now , we removed the delay of the LDA .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} I mean , if {disfmarker} so if we {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} so which is like if we reduce the delay of VA So , the f the final delay 's now ba is f determined by the delay of the VAD , because the LDA doesn't have any delay . So if we re if we reduce the delay of the VAD , I mean , it 's like effectively reducing the delay .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} how much , uh , delay was there on the LDA ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So the LDA and the VAD both had a hundred millisecond delay . So and they were in parallel , so which means you pick either one of them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} the biggest , whatever .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , right now the LDA delays are more .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And there didn't seem to be any , uh , penalty for that ? There didn't seem to be any penalty for making it causal ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Pardon ? Oh , no . It actually made it , like , point one percent better or something , actually .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , may as well , then .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or something like that",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And he says Wiener filter is {disfmarker} is forty milliseconds delay .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So is it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that 's the one which Stephane was discussing , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The smoothing ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The {disfmarker} you smooth it and then delay the decision by {disfmarker} So .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's really not {disfmarker} not bad . So we may in fact {disfmarker} we 'll see what they decide . We may in fact have , {vocalsound} um , the {disfmarker} the , uh , latency time available for {disfmarker} to have a neural net . I mean , sounds like we probably will . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "That 'd be good . Cuz I {disfmarker} cuz it certainly always helped us before . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What amount of latency are you thinking about when you say that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well , they 're {disfmarker} you know , they 're disputing it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You know , they 're saying , uh {disfmarker} one group is saying a hundred and thirty milliseconds and another group is saying two hundred and fifty milliseconds . Two hundred and fifty is what it was before actually . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , some people are lobbying {disfmarker} lobbying {comment} to make it shorter .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um . And , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Were you thinking of the two - fifty or the one - thirty when you said we should {pause} have enough for the neural net ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it just {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} when we find that out it might change exactly how we do it , is all .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , how much effort do we put into making it causal ? I mean , {vocalsound} I think the neural net will probably do better if it looks at a little bit of the future .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , um , it will probably work to some extent to look only at the past . And we ha you know , limited machine and human time , and {vocalsound} effort . And , you know , how {disfmarker} how much time should we put into {disfmarker} into that ? So it 'd be helpful if we find out from the {disfmarker} the standards folks whether , you know , they 're gonna restrict that or not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um . But I think , you know , at this point our major concern is making the performance better and {disfmarker} and , um , {vocalsound} if , uh , something has to take a little longer in latency in order to do it that 's {pause} you know , a secondary issue .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But if we get told otherwise then , you know , we may have to c clamp down a bit more .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So , the one {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} one difference is that {disfmarker} was there is like we tried computing the delta and then doing the frame - dropping .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "The earlier system was do the frame - dropping and then compute the delta on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Which could be a kind of a funny delta . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . So that 's fixed in this . Yeah , we talked about that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we have no delta . And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So the frame - dropping is the last thing that we do . So , yeah , what we do is we compute the silence probability , convert it to that binary flag ,",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and then in the end you c up upsample it to {vocalsound} match the final features number of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Did that help then ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It seems to be helping on the well - matched condition . So that 's why this improvement I got from the last result . So . And it actually r reduced a little bit on the high mismatch , so in the final weightage it 's b b better because the well - matched is still weighted more than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So , @ @ I mean , you were doing a lot of changes . Did you happen to notice how much , {vocalsound} uh , the change was due to just this frame - dropping problem ? What about this ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y you had something on it . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Just the frame - dropping problem . Yeah . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's difficult . Sometime we {disfmarker} we change two {disfmarker} two things together and {disfmarker} But it 's around {pause} maybe {disfmarker} it 's less than one percent .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well . {vocalsound} But like we 're saying , if there 's four or five things like that then {vocalsound} pretty sho soon you 're talking real improvement .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . And it {disfmarker} Yeah . And then we have to be careful with that also {disfmarker} with the neural net",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because in {comment} the proposal the neural net was also , uh , working on {disfmarker} after frame - dropping .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's a real good point .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So . Well , we 'll have to be {disfmarker} to do the same kind of correction .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It might be hard if it 's at the server side . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Well , we can do the frame - dropping on the server side or we can just be careful at the terminal side to send a couple of more frames before and after , and {disfmarker} So . I think it 's OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You have , um {disfmarker} So when you {disfmarker} Uh , maybe I don't quite understand how this works , but , um , couldn't you just send all of the frames , but mark the ones that are supposed to be dropped ? Cuz you have a bunch more bandwidth . Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you could . Yeah . I mean , it {disfmarker} it always seemed to us that it would be kind of nice to {disfmarker} in addition to , uh , reducing insertions , actually use up less bandwidth .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But nobody seems to have {vocalsound} cared about that in this {pause} evaluation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And that way the net could use {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If the net 's on the server side then it could use all of the {pause} frames .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it could be . It 's , like , you mean you just transferred everything and then finally drop the frames after the neural net .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's one thing which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But you could even mark them , before they get to the server .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right now we are {disfmarker} Uh , ri Right now what {disfmarker} wha what we did is , like , we just mark {disfmarker} we just have this additional bit which goes around the features , {vocalsound} saying it 's currently a {disfmarker} it 's a speech or a nonspeech .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So there is no frame - dropping till the final features , like , including the deltas are computed .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And after the deltas are computed , you just pick up the ones that are marked silence and then drop them .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I see . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it would be more or less the same thing with the neural net , I guess , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah , that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what , uh , this is doing right now .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . OK . So , uh , what 's , uh {disfmarker} ? That 's {disfmarker} that 's a good set of work that {disfmarker} that , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Just one more thing . Like , should we do something f more for the noise estimation , because we still {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I was wondering about that . That was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I had written that down there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , we , uh {disfmarker} actually I did the first experiment . This is {pause} with just fifteen frames . Um . We take the first fifteen frame of each utterance to it ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and average their power spectra . Um . I tried just plugging the , um , {vocalsound} uh , Guenter noise estimation on this system , and it {disfmarker} uh , it got worse . Um , but of course I didn't play {pause} with it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Uh , I didn't {pause} do much more {pause} for noise estimation . I just tried this ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah . Well , it 's not surprising it 'd be worse the first time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "it does seem like , you know , i i i i some compromise between always depending on the first fifteen frames and a a always depending on a {disfmarker} a pause is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is a good idea . Uh , maybe you have to weight the estimate from the first - teen {disfmarker} fifteen frames more heavily than {disfmarker} than was done in your first attempt . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . No , I mean {disfmarker} Um , do you have any way of assessing how well or how poorly the noise estimation is currently doing ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . No , we don't .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We don't have nothing {pause} that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is there {disfmarker} was there any experiment with {disfmarker} ? Well , I {disfmarker} I did {disfmarker} The only experiment where I tried was I used the channel zero VAD for the noise estimation and frame - dropping . So I don't have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I don't have a split , like which one helped more .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So . It {disfmarker} it was the best result I could get .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "So that 's something you could do with , um , this final system . Right ? Just do this {disfmarker} everything that is in this final system except , {vocalsound} uh , use the channel zero .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . For the noise estimation .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can try something .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "And then see how much better it gets .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "If it 's , you know , essentially not better , then {pause} it 's probably not worth",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "any more .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But the Guenter 's argument is slightly different . It 's , like , ev even {disfmarker} even if I use a channel zero VAD , I 'm just averaging the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the s power spectrum . But the Guenter 's argument is , like , if it is a non - stationary {pause} segment , then he doesn't update the noise spectrum . So he 's , like {disfmarker} he tries to capture only the stationary part in it . So the averaging is , like , {vocalsound} different from {pause} updating the noise spectrum only during stationary segments . So , th the Guenter was arguing that , I mean , even if you have a very good VAD , averaging it , like , over the whole thing is not a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because you 're averaging the stationary and the non - stationary , and finally you end up getting something which is not really the s because , you {disfmarker} anyway , you can't remove the stationary part fr I mean , non - stationary part from {vocalsound} the signal .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Not using these methods anyway . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah . So you just {pause} update only doing {disfmarker} or update only the stationary components . Yeah . So , that 's {disfmarker} so that 's still a slight difference from what Guenter is trying ",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . And {disfmarker} and also there 's just the fact that , um , eh , uh , although we 're trying to do very well on this evaluation , um , we actually would like to have something that worked well in general . And , um , relying on having fifteen frames at the front or something is {disfmarker} is pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you might , you might not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , um . Um , it 'd certainly be more robust to different kinds of input if you had at least some updates . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , um . Well , I don't know . What {disfmarker} what do you , uh {disfmarker} what do you guys see as {disfmarker} as being what you would be doing in the next week , given wha what 's {pause} happened ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cure the VAD ?",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What was that ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "VAD .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} ",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , should we keep the same {disfmarker} ? I think we might try to keep the same idea of having a neural network , but {vocalsound} training it on more data and adding better features , I think , but {disfmarker} because the current network is just PLP features . Well , it 's trained on noisy {pause} PLP {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just the cepstra . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "PLP features computed on noisy speech . But {vocalsound} {vocalsound} there is no nothing particularly robust in these features .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , I I uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "There 's no RASTA , no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember what you said {vocalsound} the answer to my , uh , question earlier . Will you {disfmarker} will you train the net on {disfmarker} after you 've done the spectral subtraction or the Wiener filtering ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is a different net .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So we have a VAD which is like neur that 's a neural net .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you 're talking about the VAD net . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} that VAD was trained on the noisy features .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , right now we have , like , uh {disfmarker} we have the cleaned - up features , so we can have a better VAD by training the net on {pause} the cleaned - up speech .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . I see . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we need a VAD for uh noise estimation also . So it 's , like , where do we want to put the VAD ? Uh , it 's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Can you use the same net to do both , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Can you use the same net that you {disfmarker} that I was talking about to do the VAD ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , it actually comes at v at the very end .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So the net {disfmarker} the final net {disfmarker} I mean , which is the feature net {disfmarker} so that actually comes after a chain of , like , LDA plus everything . So it 's , like , it takes a long time to get a decision out of it . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and you can actually do it for final frame - dropping , but not for the VA - f noise estimation .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You see , the idea is that the , um , initial decision to {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that you 're in silence or speech happens pretty quickly .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that 's used by some of these other {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} Yeah . And that 's sort of fed forward , and {disfmarker} and you say \" well , flush everything , it 's not speech anymore \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "I thought that was only used for doing frame - dropping later on .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , it is used , uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's only used f Well , it 's used for frame - dropping . Um , it 's used for end of utterance",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because , you know , there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you have {pause} more than five hundred milliseconds of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of nonspeech then you figure it 's end of utterance or something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And it seems important for , like , the on - line normalization . Um . We don't want to update the mean and variance during silen long silence portions . Um . So it {disfmarker} it has to be done before",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "this mean and variance normalization . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . So probably the VAD and {disfmarker} and maybe testing out the noise {pause} estimation a little bit . I mean , keeping the same method but {disfmarker} but , uh , {vocalsound} seeing if you cou but , um noise estimation could be improved . Those are sort of related issues .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It probably makes sense to move from there . And then , uh , {vocalsound} later on in the month I think we wanna start including the {pause} neural net at the end . Um . OK . Anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The Half Dome was great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good . Yeah . You didn't {disfmarker} didn't fall . That 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD C"
},
{
"content": "Our e our effort would have been devastated if you guys had {comment} {vocalsound} run into problems .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , Hynek is coming back next week , you said ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's the plan .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess the week after he 'll be , uh , going back to Europe , and so we wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is he in Europe right now or is he up at {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No , no . He 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's dropped into the US . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So . Uh . {vocalsound} So , uh . Uh , the idea was that , uh , we 'd {disfmarker} we 'd sort out where we were going next with this {disfmarker} with this work before he , uh , left on this next trip . Good . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh , Barry , you just got through your {vocalsound} quals , so I don't know if you {vocalsound} have much to say . But , uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . No , just , uh , looking into some {disfmarker} some of the things that , um , {vocalsound} uh , John Ohala and Hynek , um , gave as feedback , um , as {disfmarker} as a starting point for the project . Um . In {disfmarker} in my proposal , I {disfmarker} I was thinking about starting from a set of , uh , phonological features , {vocalsound} or a subset of them . Um , but that might not be necessarily a good idea according to , um , John .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "He said , uh , um , these {disfmarker} these phonological features are {disfmarker} are sort of figments of imagination also .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um . S",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "In conversational speech in particular . I think you can {disfmarker} you can put them in pretty reliably in synthetic speech .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "But {vocalsound} we don't have too much trouble recognizing synthetic speech since we create it in the first place . So , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . So , um , a better way would be something more {disfmarker} more data - driven ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "just looking at the data and seeing what 's similar and what 's not similar .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm , um , taking a look at some of , um , {vocalsound} Sangita 's work on {disfmarker} on TRAPS . She did something where , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} w where the TRAPS learn She clustered the {disfmarker} the temporal patterns of , um , certain {disfmarker} certain phonemes in {disfmarker} in m averaged over many , many contexts . And , uh , some things tended to cluster .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? You know , like stop {disfmarker} stop consonants clustered really well .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , silence was by its own self .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , um , {vocalsound} v vocalic was clustered .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And , {vocalsound} um , so , {vocalsound} those are {pause} interesting things to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "So you 're {disfmarker} now you 're sort of looking to try to gather a set of these types of features ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Just to see where {disfmarker} where I could start off from ,",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "uh , you know ? A {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a set of small features and continue to iterate and find , uh , a better set .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , short meeting . That 's OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So next week hopefully we 'll {disfmarker} can get Hynek here to {disfmarker} to join us and , uh , uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Should we do digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Digits , digits . OK , now .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead , Morgan . You can start .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Let me get my glasses on so I can {pause} see them . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . And we 're off .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm",
"speaker": "Professor B"
}
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"answer": "The meeting occurred close to the finalization of the model for Aurora. The team had put together a model and was tweaking it to see what achieves best performance. The professor suggested that it was time to make some decisions, have several constants, and then test other theories on remaining features. The neural net, for instance, was yet to come together. Still, the model was second in ranking for the task, behind the leader by only one point. The evaluation criteria for the tasks was still not completely clear, but the team seemed to be doing well.",
"query": "Summarize the meeting"
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"answer": "The team had pushed their code and was curious to know if the CVS system was working well. It was, at least from Belgium. Other team members needed to come back for the team to complete a few tasks.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on project logistics",
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"answer": "While remote CVS access seemed to be working, the team was unsure about setting up a CVS server on a new port. That required a password mechanism. But the team thought an anonymous CVS might be good to store transcripts as it relied on open source software.",
"query": "What did the team discuss about CVS security?",
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"answer": "The team wanted to know if OGI was using CVS to access the code. It seemed that they were not. No one there was working on Aurora. Though, they were expecting Sunil to grab it and start working on Aurora once he returned.",
"query": "What did the team discuss about OGI and CVS?",
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"answer": "The professor informed the team that the evaluation was on November 13. He encouraged the team to run experiments to learn which factors were the most important. The team was concerned about how the evaluation would be weighted, but they did not expect it to be significantly different. There was a chance that the evaluation would be pushed.",
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"answer": "The Aurora staff was tinkering around with various parameters, like the insertion penalty. The professor expressed interest in knowing what the exact penalties were to make decision about the team's models.",
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"answer": "PhD E informed the team that Guenter was putting the Wall Street Journal data on the team's disks. There was a lot of data so it would take some time to run the models.",
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK , so {pause} We {disfmarker} we had a meeting with , uh {disfmarker} with Hynek , um , in {disfmarker} in which , uh , uh , Sunil and Stephane , uh {vocalsound} summarized where they were and {disfmarker} and , uh , talked about where we were gonna go . So that {disfmarker} that happened sort of mid - week . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "D did {disfmarker} did you guys get your code pushed together ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it was updated yesterday ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You probably received the mail .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right , I saw {disfmarker} I saw the note .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What was the update ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What was the update ? So there is th then {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} all the new features that go in .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression . These are the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is the , um {disfmarker} the CVS mechanism working {pause} well ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Are {disfmarker} are people , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't think {disfmarker} I don't think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if they use it , but .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like {pause} working on it right now .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there {vocalsound} he will grab it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They 're {disfmarker} Yeah . They 're working on a different task .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But what 'll happen is {disfmarker} is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from {disfmarker} from , uh , the east coast . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too . So , actually everybody {vocalsound} who 's working on it {comment} will be up there for at least a little while . So they 'll remotely access it {vocalsound} from there .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So has {disfmarker} Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . ",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't know if Hari did that or {disfmarker} You d",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {comment} can actually do it today . I mean , I can just log into {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Have you tried it yet ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , I didn't . So I I 'll try it today .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Actually I {disfmarker} I tried wh while {disfmarker} when I installed the {pause} repository , I tried from Belgium .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I logged in there and I tried {pause} to import {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? It worked good ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it works .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But it 's {disfmarker} So , right now it 's the mechanism with SSH .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Great !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't {pause} s I didn't set up {disfmarker} You can also set up a CVS server {pause} on a new port . It 's like well {pause} uh , a main server , or d You can do a CVS server .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right . Then that 's using the CVS password mechanism and all that ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But . Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But I didn't do that because I was not sure about {pause} security problems . I {disfmarker} I would have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So w when you came in from Belgian {disfmarker} {comment} Belgium , using SSH , uh , was it asking you for your own {pause} password into ICSI ? So if yo you can only do that if you have an account at ICSI ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz there is an {disfmarker} a way to set up anonymous CVS right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you ha in this way you ca you have to set up a CVS server but then , yeah , you can access it .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you {disfmarker} you can set up priorities .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So the anonymous mechanism {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You can access them and mostly if you {disfmarker} if y the set the server is set up like this .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Because a lot of the open source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I 'm just wondering {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , for our transcripts we may want to do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for this stuff I don't think we 're {pause} quite up to that . I mean , we 're still so much in development .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We want to have just the insiders .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah . Oh , I wasn't suggesting for this . I 'm {pause} thinking of the Meeting Recorder {comment} stuff",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but . Yeah . OK . Cool .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What 's new ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , I think maybe the thing to me might be {disfmarker} I me I 'm sure you 've just been working on {disfmarker} on , uh , details of that since the meeting , right ? And so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm , since the meeting , well , I {disfmarker} I 've been {disfmarker} I 've been train training a new VAD and a new {pause} feature net .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker} that was Tuesday . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So they should be ready . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But I guess maybe the thing {disfmarker} since you weren't {disfmarker} yo you guys weren't at that {disfmarker} that meeting , might be just {disfmarker} just to , um , sort of recap , uh , the {disfmarker} the conclusions of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You 're talking about the meeting with Hynek ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz that was sort of , uh {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we 'd sort of been working up to that , that {disfmarker} that , uh , he would come here this week and {disfmarker} and we would sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Since he 's going out of town like now , and I 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what {disfmarker} what will we actually focus on ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {disfmarker} and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we {disfmarker} ? So , um . I mean , this {pause} software that these guys created was certainly a {disfmarker} a key part . So then there 's something central and there aren't at least a bunch of different versions going off in {disfmarker} in ways that {pause} differ {pause} trivially . Uh , um , and , um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's nice .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything . So keep a certain set of things constant . So , um . Uh , maybe describe roughly what {disfmarker} what we are keeping constant for now , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well . So we 've been working like six weeks on {disfmarker} on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Are you gonna use {disfmarker} which of the two techniques ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So finally it 's {disfmarker} it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins . And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion . And {vocalsound} after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins . Mmm . And , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So this is on the {disfmarker} uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker} this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or on the thing that has already had something subtracted ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , {vocalsound} it 's on the transfer function . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it 's on the transfer function for the Wiener filter .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so basically we tried {vocalsound} different configuration within this idea . We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering . Um . Well , finally we end up with {pause} this configuration that works , uh , quite well . So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of {vocalsound} the whole system .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject . This module , in principle , i I mean , you would know whether it 's {vocalsound} true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it . I mean , because you {disfmarker} you re - synthesize speech , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , um . Uh , well you don't {disfmarker} I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we do not fo",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but you could .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} well , we do , but we don't {disfmarker} don't re - synthesize . In {disfmarker} in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again . We just use the clean FFT bins .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But you have a re - synthesized thing that you {disfmarker} that 's an {disfmarker} an option here .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is an option that {disfmarker} then you can {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} for the {disfmarker} for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well . But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise . And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well . So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at . And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and {disfmarker} and , uh , uh {disfmarker} and then do the reverberation part .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So Dave hasn't {pause} tried that yet ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , no . He 's {disfmarker} I mean , e",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I guess he 's busy with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , prelims , right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Pre - prelim hell .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but {disfmarker} but , you know , that 'll {disfmarker} uh , it 's clear that we , uh {disfmarker} we are not {disfmarker} with the real case that we 're looking at , we can't just look at reverberation in isolation because the interaction between that and noise is {disfmarker} is considerable . And that 's I mean , in the past we 've looked at , uh , and this is hard enough , the interaction between channel effects and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} and additive noise , uh , so convolutional effects and {disfmarker} and additive effects . And that 's hard enough . I mean , I don't think we really {disfmarker} I mean , we 're trying to deal with that . In a sense that 's what we 're trying to deal with in this Aurora task . And we have , uh , the , uh , uh , LDA stuff that in principle is doing something about convolutional effects . And we have the noise suppression that 's doing something about noise . Uh , even that 's hard enough . And {disfmarker} and the on - line normalization as well , in that s category . i i There 's all these interactions between these two and that 's part of why these guys had to work so hard on {disfmarker} on juggling everything around . But now when you throw in the reverberation , it 's even worse , because not only do you have these effects , but you also have some long time effects . And , um , so Dave has something which , uh , is doing some nice things under some conditions with {disfmarker} with long time effects but when it 's {disfmarker} when there 's noise there too , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty hard . So we have to start {disfmarker} Since any {disfmarker} almost any real situation is gonna have {disfmarker} uh , where you have the microphone distant , is going to have both things , we {disfmarker} we actually have to think about both at the same time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker} So there 's this noise suppression thing , which is sort of worked out and then , uh , maybe you should just continue telling what {disfmarker} what else is in the {disfmarker} the form we have .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well , {vocalsound} the , um , the other parts of the system are the {disfmarker} the blocks that were already present before and that we did not modify a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that 's {disfmarker} again , that {disfmarker} that 's the Wiener filtering , followed by , uh {disfmarker} uh , that 's done at the FFT level . Then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th then the mel filter bank ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "then the log operation ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the filtering is done in the frequency domain ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . And then the mel and then the log , and then the",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Then the LDA filter ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "LDA filter .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "mmm , then the downsampling ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And then uh downsample ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "DCT ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "DCT ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "then , um , on - line normalization ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "on - line norm ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "followed by {pause} upsampling . Then finally , we compute delta and we put the neural network also .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right , and then in parallel with {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} a neural net . And then following neural net , some {disfmarker} probably some orthogonalization .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And finally frame dropping , which um , {vocalsound} would be a neural network also , used for estimated silence probabilities . And the input of this neural network would be somewhere between log {pause} mel bands or one of the earlier stages of the processing .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So that 's sort of {disfmarker} most of this stuff is {disfmarker} yeah , is operating parallel with this other stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So the things that we , um , uh , I guess we sort of {disfmarker} uh , There 's {disfmarker} there 's some , uh , neat ideas for {vocalsound} V A So , I mean , in {disfmarker} I think there 's sort of like {disfmarker} There 's a bunch of tuning things to improve stuff . There 's questions about {pause} various places where there 's an exponent , if it 's the right exponent , or {pause} ways that we 're estimating noise , that we can improve estimating noise . And there 's gonna be a host of those . But structurally it seemed like the things {disfmarker} the main things that {disfmarker} that we brought up that , uh , are {disfmarker} are gonna need to get worked on seriously are , uh , uh , a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a significantly better VAD , uh , putting the neural net on , um , which , you know , we haven't been doing anything with , the , uh , neural net at the end there , and , uh , the , uh , {vocalsound} opening up the second front . Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The other half of the channel ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , I mean , cuz we {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} we have , uh , uh , half the {disfmarker} the , uh , data rate that they allow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That what you mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , so the initial thing which came from , uh , the meeting that we had down south was , uh , that , um , we 'll initially just put in a mel spectrum as the second one . It 's , you know , {pause} cheap , easy . Uh . There 's a question about exactly how we do it . We probably will go to something better later , but the initial thing is that cepstra and spectra behave differently ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so . Um , {comment} I think Tony Robinson used to do {disfmarker} I was saying this before . I think he used to do mel , uh , spectra and mel cepstra . He used them as alternate features . Put them together .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So if you took the system the way it is now , the way it 's fro you 're gonna freeze it , and it ran it on the last evaluation , where it would it be ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . It , uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "In terms of ranking ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Ri - right now it 's second .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Second . ",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Although you {disfmarker} you know , you haven't tested it actually on the German and Danish , have you ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , we didn't . No , um .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So on the ones that you did test it on it would have been second ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Would it {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} When you 're saying second , you 're comparing to the numbers that the , uh {disfmarker} that the best system before got on , uh {disfmarker} also without German and Danish ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And th the ranking actually didn't change after the German and Danish . So , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well ranking didn't before , but I 'm just asking where this is to where theirs was without the German and Danish ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Where {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} where were we actually on the last test ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we were also esp essentially second , although there were {disfmarker} there were {disfmarker} I mean , we had a couple systems and they had a couple systems . And so , I guess by that {pause} we were third , but I mean , there were two systems that were pretty close , that came from the same place .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so institutionally we were {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we were second , with , uh , the third {disfmarker} third system .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We 're {disfmarker} so this second that you 're saying now is system - wide second ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "See {disfmarker} Uh , no I think it 's also institutional , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Still institutionally second ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , I think both of their systems probably {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we are between their two systems . So",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , are we ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} It is a triumph .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Their {disfmarker} their first system is fifty - four point something . And , uh , we are fifty - three point something .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But everything is {pause} within the range of one {disfmarker} one percent .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And their second system is also fifty - three point something . Yeah , one percent .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} so basically they 're all {disfmarker} they 're all pretty close .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wow !",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "That 's very close .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and , {vocalsound} um , you know , in some sense we 're all doing fairly similar things . Uh , I mean , one could argue about the LDA and so forth but I {disfmarker} I think , you know , in a lot of ways we 're doing very similar things . But what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So how did they fill up this {disfmarker} all these {disfmarker} these bits ? I mean , if we 're u",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , why are we using half ? Well , so you could {disfmarker} you c",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or how are they using more than half , I guess maybe is what I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} uh , you guys are closer to it than me , so correct me if I 'm wrong , but I {disfmarker} I think that what 's going on is that in {disfmarker} in both cases , some kind of normalization is done to deal with convola convolutional effects . Uh , they have some cepstral {pause} modification ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "right ? In our case we have a couple things . We have the on - line normalization and then we have the LDA RASTA . And {pause} they seem to comple complement each other enough and be different enough that they both seem to help {disfmarker} help us . But in any event , they 're both doing the same sort of thing . But there 's one difference . The LDA RASTA , uh , throws away high modulation frequencies . And they 're not doing that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So th So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So that if you throw away high modulation frequencies , then you can downsample .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Get down .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I see . I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So what if you didn't {disfmarker} So do you explicitly downsample then ? Do we explicitly downsample ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And what if we didn't do that ? Would we get worse performance ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um {pause} Yeah , not better , not worse .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I think it doesn't affect it , does it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think the thing is , since we 're not evidently throwing away useful information , let 's try to put in some useful information .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , so I {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we 've found in a lot of ways for quite a while that having a second stream uh , helps a lot . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's put in , and you know , it may even end up with mel spectrum even though I 'm saying I think we could do much better , just because it 's simple .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um . And you know , in the long run having something everybody will look at and say , \" oh , yeah , I understand \" , is {disfmarker} is very helpful .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So you would {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} You 're thinking to put the , uh , mel spectrum in before any of the noise removal stuff ? or after ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's a question . I mean , we were talking about that . It looks like it 'd be straightforward to {disfmarker} to , uh , remove the noise , um , and , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that happens before the mel conversion , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , I mean , to do it after the mel conversion {disfmarker} uh , after the noise removal , after the mel conversion . There 's even a question in my mind anyhow of whether th you should take the log or not . Uh . I sort of think you should , but I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "What about norm normalizing also ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Right . Uh . Well , but normalizing spectra instead of cepstra ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , probably . Some kind would be good . You know ? I would think .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} so it actually makes it dependent on the overall energy of the {disfmarker} uh , the frame .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "If you do or don't normalize ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "If yo if you don't normalize and {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you don't normalize .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yes , so I mean , one would think that you would want to normalize . But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} w w My thought is , uh , particularly if you take the log , try it . And then if {disfmarker} if normalization helps , then y you have something to compare against , and say , \" OK , this much effect \" {disfmarker} I mean , you don't want to change six things and then see what happens . You want to change them one at a time .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So adding this other stream in , that 's simple in some way . And then {pause} saying , oh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} particularly because we 've found in the past there 's all these {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these different results you get with slight modifications of how you do normalization . Normalization 's a very tricky , sensitive thing and {pause} you learn a lot . So , I would think you would wanna {pause} have some baseline that says , \" OK , we don't normalize , this is what we get \" , when we do this normalization , when we do that normalization . But {disfmarker} but the other question is {disfmarker} So I think ultimately we 'll wind up doing some normalization . I agree .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So this second stream , will it add latency to the system",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's in parallel .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Para",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "We 're not talking about computation time here .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We 're ta I think we 're pretty far out .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's just in terms of what data it 's depending on . It 's depending on the same data as the other .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Same data .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's in parallel .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So with this , uh , new stream would you train up a VAD on both {disfmarker} both features , somehow ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , I guess the VAD has its own set of features .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , which could be this {disfmarker} one of these streams , or it can be something derived from {pause} these streams .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And there is also the idea of using TRAPS , maybe , for the VAD , which , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's also {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , Pratibha apparently showed , when , she was at IBM , that it 's a good idea . So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Would {disfmarker} would that fit on the handset , or {disfmarker} ? Oh !",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Well , it has t I mean the {disfmarker} th",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It would have to fit but {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if it has to fit the delays and all this stuff .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's the delays and the storage ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "yeah . But I don't think the storage is so big for that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I think th the biggest we 've run into for storage is the neural net . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . And so I guess the issue there is , are we {disfmarker} are we using neural - net - based TRAPS , and {disfmarker} and how big are they ? So that 'll {disfmarker} that 'll be , you know , an issue .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Maybe they can be little ones .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz sh Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mini - TRAPS .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz she also does the , uh {disfmarker} the correlation - based , uh , TRAPS , with without the neural net , just looking at the correlation between {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Right . And maybe for VAD they would be OK . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Or a simple neural net , right ? I mean , the thing is , if you 're doing correlation , you 're just doing a simple {disfmarker} uh , uh {disfmarker} uh , dot product , you know , with some weights which you happened to learn from this {disfmarker} learn from the data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And so , uh , putting a nonlinearity on it is , {pause} you know , not that big a deal . It certainly doesn't take much space .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , the question is , how complex a function do you need ? Do you need to have an added layer or something ? In which case , uh , potentially , you know , it could be big . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , uh {disfmarker} So what 's next ? Maybe s s remind us .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So the meeting with Hynek that you guys just had was to decide exactly what you were gonna freeze in this system ? Is that {disfmarker} ? Or was there {disfmarker} ? Were you talking about what t new stuff , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What to freeze and then what to do after we froze .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And like I was saying , I think the {disfmarker} you know , the basic directions are , uh , uh {disfmarker} I mean , there 's lots of little things , such as improve the noise estimator but the bigger things are adding on the neural net and , uh , the second stream . And then , uh , improving the VAD . Uh . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , I 'll , um {disfmarker} I 'll actually {disfmarker} after the meeting I 'll add the second stream to the VAD and maybe I 'll start with the feature net in that case . It 's like , you 're looking at the VAD , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . I I 've a new feature net ready also .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I 'll {disfmarker} For the VAD ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , uh . Well p two network , one VAD and one {pause} feature net .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you already have it ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK , so just figure how to take the features from the final {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um . But , yeah , I think there are plenty of issues to work on for the feature net @ @ .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Feature net .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "What about the , um {disfmarker} uh , the new part of the evaluation , the , uh , Wall Street Journal part ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Um . Have you ever {disfmarker} ? Very good question . Have you ever worked with the Mississippi State h uh , software ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . Not yet .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Well you {disfmarker} you may be called upon to help , uh , uh , on account of , uh , all the work in this stuff here has been , uh , with small vocabulary .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm . So what {disfmarker} how is the , uh , interaction supposed to happen ? Uh , I remember the last time we talked about this , it was sort of up in the air whether they were going to be taking , uh , people 's features and then running them or they were gonna give the system out or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so they 're gonna just deliver a system basically .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Do we already have it ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th I {disfmarker} I guess it 's almost ready .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} That 's what {disfmarker} So they have released their , uh , document , describing the system .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you could , uh , point it {pause} at Chuck ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So we 'll have to grab this over CVS or something ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It - no , it 's just downloadable from their {disfmarker} from their web site .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is that how they do it ? OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Cuz one of the things that might be helpful , if you 've {disfmarker} if you 've got time in all of this is , is if {disfmarker} if these guys are really focusing on improving , uh , all the digit stuff , uh , maybe {disfmarker} and you got the front - end from them , maybe you could do the runs for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and , you know , iron out hassles that {disfmarker} that you have to , uh , tweak Joe about or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because you 're more experienced with running the large vocabulary stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So I 'll point you to the web site and the mails corresponding . So I",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker} but it 's not ready yet , the system ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I {disfmarker} I think they are still , uh , tuning something on that . So they 're like , d they 're varying different parameters like the insertion penalty and other stuff , and then seeing what 's the performance .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Are those going to be parameters that are frozen , nobody can change ? Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , w I guess there is , uh , time during which people are gonna make suggestions .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , but everybody 's gonna have to use the same values .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "After that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Interesting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So these sugges these {disfmarker} this , uh , period during which people are gonna make suggestions is to know whether it is actually biased towards any set of features or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I th th certainly the thing that I would want to know about is whether we get really hurt , uh , on in insertion penalty , language model , scaling , sorts of things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Using our features .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in which case , um , H Hari or Hynek will need to , you know , push the case {pause} more about {disfmarker} about this .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And we may be able to revisit this idea about , you know , somehow modifying our features to work with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes . In this case , that 's right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . Um , some of that may be , uh , a last minute rush thing because if the {disfmarker} if our features are changing {disfmarker} Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . But , um . Yeah , the other thing is that even though it 's months away , uh , it 's starting to seem to me now like November fifteenth is right around the corner . And , um , if they haven't decided things like this , like what the parameters are gonna be for this , uh , when \" deciding \" is not just somebody deciding . I mean , in fact there should be some understanding behind the , uh , {vocalsound} deciding , which means some experiments and {disfmarker} and so forth . It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it seems pretty tight to me .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So wha what 's the significance of November fifteenth ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's when the evaluation is .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , yeah , so after {disfmarker} But , you know , they may even decide in the end to push it off . It wouldn't , you know , entirely surprise me . But , uh , due to other reasons , like some people are going away , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm hoping it 's not pushed off for {vocalsound} a l a long while . That would be , uh {disfmarker} put us in an awkward position . But {disfmarker} Anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Great . Yeah , I think that 'll be helpful . There 's {disfmarker} there 's not anybody OGI currently who 's {disfmarker} who 's , uh , working with this and {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} is this part of the evaluation just a small part , or ho how important is this to the overall {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's , um {disfmarker} it depends how badly {vocalsound} you do . I mean , I think that it {disfmarker} it is {disfmarker} Uh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "b",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "This is one of those things that will be debated afterwards ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} Conceptually , it {disfmarker} my impression , again , you guys correct me if I 'm wrong , but {pause} my impression is that , um , they want it as a double check . That you haven't come across {disfmarker} you haven't invented features which are actually gonna do badly for a {disfmarker} a significantly different task , particularly one with larger vocabulary . And , um , but it 's not the main emphasis .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the truth is , most of the applications they 're looking at are pretty small vocabulary .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} it 's a double check . So they 'll probably assign it some sort of low weight .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Seems to me that if it 's a double check , they should give you a one or a zero . Y you passed the threshold or you didn't pass the threshold , and they shouldn't even care about what the score is .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , I mean , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll see what they come up with . Uh , but in {disfmarker} in the current thing , for instance , where you have this well - matched , moderately - matched , and {disfmarker} and mis highly - mismatched , uh , the emphasis is somewhat on the {disfmarker} on the well - matched , but it 's only a {disfmarker} a marginal ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ? It 's like forty , thirty - five , twenty - five , or something like that . So you still {disfmarker} if you were way , way off on the highly - mismatched , it would have a big effect .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , um , it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that with this . So again , if you 're {disfmarker} if you get {disfmarker} If it doesn't help you much , uh , for noisy versions of this {disfmarker} of large vocabulary data , then , uh , you know , it may not hurt you that much .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But if it {disfmarker} if you don't {disfmarker} if it doesn't help you much at all , um , or to put it another way , if it helps some people a lot more than it helps other people , uh , if their strategies do , then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . So is this , uh {disfmarker} ? Uh , Guenter was putting a bunch of Wall Street Journal data on our disks .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So that 's the data that we 'll be running on ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {pause} we have the data , just not the recognizer . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So this test may take quite a while to run , then . May - judging by the amount of data that he was putting on .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well there 's training and test , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I guess , I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean , if it 's like the other things , there 's {disfmarker} there 's data for training the H M Ms and {disfmarker} and data for testing it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I wouldn't {disfmarker} So it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So there 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , training the recognizer , but , um Um . But I think it 's trained on clean and {disfmarker} Is it trained on clean and {disfmarker} and test on {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "The Wall Street ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Apparently , no . It 's training on a range between ten and twenty DB , I think , and testing between five and fifteen .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's what I got {pause} on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's , uh {disfmarker} It 's like a medium {disfmarker} medium - mismatch condition , sort of .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So the noise is {disfmarker} There is a range of different noises also {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} which are selected randomly and added randomly , uh , to the files . And there are noises that are different from the noises used {pause} on TI - digits .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I mean , I wouldn't imagine that the amount of testing data was that huge . They probably put training {disfmarker} uh , almost certain they put training data there too . Maybe not . So . That 's that . Anybody have anything else ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , one {disfmarker} one last question on that . When did they estimate that they would have that system available for download ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , I guess {disfmarker} I guess one {disfmarker} some preliminary version is already there .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so there 's w something you can download to just learn ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's already there . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But they 're actually parallel - y doing some modifications also , I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "good .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So I guess the f final system will be frozen by middle of , like , one more week maybe .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well that 's pretty soon .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's just one more .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is this their , um , SVM recognizer ?",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "No , it 's just a straightforward HMM .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You know , their {disfmarker} their {disfmarker} They have a lot of options {pause} in their recognizer and {disfmarker} and the SVM is one of the things they 've done with it , but it 's not their more standard thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "For the most part it 's {disfmarker} it 's Gaussian mixtures .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK . Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's just a HMM , Gaussian mixture model .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Gaussian mixture HMM .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the SVM thing was an HMM also . It was just a {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it was like a hybrid , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this is a g yeah , this i",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "what ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , just so that I understand , they 're providing scripts and everything so that basically , uh , you {disfmarker} you push a button and it does training , and then it does test , and everything ? Is that {pause} the idea ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} yeah , I {disfmarker} I guess something like that . It 's like {vocalsound} {disfmarker} as painless as possible ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "is what {disfmarker} Do they provide all the scripts , everything , and then {disfmarker} Just ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see . Hmm . Somehow yo there 's hooks to put your features in and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "ju Yeah , I th I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah , um . In fact , I mean , if you look into it a little bit , it might be reasonable {disfmarker} You know Joe , right ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Just to sort of ask him about the issue of , um , different features having different kinds of , uh , scaling characteristics and so on . So that , you know , w w possibly having entirely different optimal values for {disfmarker} for the usual twiddle factors and what 's {disfmarker} what 's the plan about that ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So sh shall we , like , add Chuck also to the mailing lists ? It may be better , I mean , in that case if he 's going to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Because there 's a mailing list for this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Is that OK ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 'd be great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess maybe Hari or Hynek , one of them , has to {pause} send a mail to Joe . Or maybe if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I could send him an email .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , to add or maybe wh",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I know him really well .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that 's just fine .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I was just talking with him on email the other day actually .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , and just , um , se maybe see .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "About other things , but .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Do you have Hari 's , uh {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I have Hari 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so maybe just CC Hari and say that you 've just been asked to handle the large vocabulary part here , and , uh , you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Would it be better if I asked Hari to ask Joe ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Why don't you just ask Joe but CC Hari , and then in the note say , \" Hari , hopefully this is OK with you \" .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And then if Joe feels like he needs a confirmation , Hari can answer it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That way you can get started asking {comment} Joe quickly while he 's {disfmarker} while he 's maybe still , you know , putting in nails and screws and Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And there is an , uh , archive of all the mails that has been {vocalsound} gon that has gone , uh , between these people {disfmarker} among these people . So just you can see all this {pause} mails in the ISIP web site {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mississippi web site .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Is that a password controlled {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's password protected .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , like {disfmarker} like , it 's , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Have you thought about {pause} how long {pause} would be uh , most useful for you to go up to OGI ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , uh . We can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} For September , we can set up a work schedule and we can maybe work independently . And then at some point it maybe be better to work together again .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so you 're {disfmarker} you 're imagining more that you would come back here first for a while and then {disfmarker} and then go up there ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it 's to you .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I ju you guys are Well , y anyway , you don't have to decide this second but thi think about it {disfmarker} about what {disfmarker} what you would think would be the {disfmarker} the best way to work it . I 'll",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But , uh {pause} Huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "support it either way , so .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm Right .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Uh . Got anything to tell us ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , I 've been reading some literature about clustering of data . Just , um , I guess , let me put it in context . OK , so we 're talking about discovering intermediate categories to , um {disfmarker} to classify . And , uh , I was looking at some of the work that , uh , Sangita was doing on these TRAPS things . So she has , um {disfmarker} she has temporal patterns for , um , a certain set of phonemes , from {disfmarker} from TIMIT , right ? the most common phonemes . And each one of them has {disfmarker} has a {disfmarker} a nice pattern over time , a one {disfmarker} one second window . And it has {disfmarker} has these patterns . Um , so she has , um a TRAP for each one of the phonemes , um , times fifteen , for each of the fifteen critical bands . And , um , {vocalsound} she does this agglomerative hierarchical clustering which {disfmarker} which basically , um , is a clustering algorithm that , uh , starts with many , many , many different points {disfmarker} many different clusters {disfmarker} uh , corresponding to the number of data , uh , patterns that you have in the data . And then you have this distance mej metric which , uh , measures how {disfmarker} how closely related they are . And you start , um {vocalsound} by merging the patterns that are most closely related .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And you create a tree .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And y yeah , yeah , a dendrogram tree .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "And then you can pick , uh , values anywhere along that tree to fix your set of clusters .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , usually it 's when , um {disfmarker} when the sol similarity measures , um , don't go down as much .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And so , uh {disfmarker} so you stop at that point . And what she found was , sh um , was there were five broad , um {disfmarker} broad categories , uh , corresponding to , uh , things like , uh , fricatives and , uh , vocalic , um , and , uh , stops .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , one for silence and {disfmarker} and another one for schwa {disfmarker} schwa sounds . Um , and , um , I was thinking about ways to {disfmarker} to generalize this because w you 're {disfmarker} it 's sort of like a {disfmarker} it 's not a completely automatic way of clustering , because yo beforehand you have these {disfmarker} these TRAPS and you 're saying that {disfmarker} that these frames correspond to this particular phoneme . Um , and that 's {disfmarker} that 's constraining your {disfmarker} your clustering to {disfmarker} to the set of phonemes that you already have . Um , whereas maybe we want to just take {disfmarker} take a look at , um , arbitrary windows in time , um , of varying length , um , and cluster those .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm thinking if we {disfmarker} if we do that , then we would probably , um , at some point in the clustering algorithm find that we 've clustered things like , OK , thi this is a transition , um , this is a relatively stable {disfmarker} stable point .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , and I 'm hoping to find other things of {disfmarker} of similarity and maybe use these things as the intermediate , um {disfmarker} intermediate categories that , uh , um , I 'll later classify .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Are you looking at these in narrow bands ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , right . F um , I 'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that 's what you 're gonna be using , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . I {disfmarker} I haven't exactly figured out , um , the exact details for that but , uh , the {disfmarker} the representation of the data that I was thinking of , was using , um , critical band , um , energies , {vocalsound} um , over different lengths of time . So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , it seems somehow that needs th uh , there 's a couple things that I wonder about with this . I mean , so one is {disfmarker} is , {pause} again , looking at the same representation ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you 're going for this sort of thing where you have {pause} uh , little detectors that are looking at narrow bands , then what you 're going to be looking for should be some category that you can find with the narrow bands .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that seems to be kind of fundamental to it . Um , and then the other thing , uh , is {disfmarker} that I wonder about with it , and {disfmarker} and don't take this in the wrong way , like I {disfmarker} I know what I 'm doing or anything ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "but , I mean . {vocalsound} Um , just wondering really .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , the sort of standard answer about this sort of thing is that if you 're trying to find {pause} the right system in some sense , whether you 're trying by categories or {disfmarker} or parameters {pause} um , and your goal is discrimination , then having choices based on discrimination as opposed to , um , unsupervised nearness of things , um , is actually better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , and I don't know if that {disfmarker} I mean , since you 're dealing with issues of robustness , you know , maybe {disfmarker} maybe this isn't right , but it 'd be something I 'd be concerned about . Because , for instance , you can imagine , uh , uh , i i if you remember from {disfmarker} from , uh {disfmarker} from your {disfmarker} your quals , John Ohala saying that , uh , \" buh \" {comment} and \" puh \" {comment} differed , uh , not really cuz of voicing but because of aspiration . I mean , in as far as wha what 's really there in the acoustics .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , um , if you looked {disfmarker} if you were doing some coarse clustering , you probably would put those two sounds together . And yet , I would gue I would guess that many of your recognition errors were coming from , uh , um , pfft , {comment} screwing up on this distinction .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , in fact , it 's a little hard because recognizers , to first order , sort of work . And the reasons we 're doing the things we 're doing is because they don't work as well as we 'd like . And since they sort of work , uh , it means that they are already doing {disfmarker} if you go and take any recognizer that 's already out there and you say , \" how well is it distinguishing between {pause} schwas and stops ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Boy , I bet they 're all doing nearly perfectly on this , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So these {disfmarker} these big categories that differ in huge obvious ways , we already know how to do . So , what are we bringing to the party ? I mean , in fact what we wanna do is have something that , particularly in the presence of noise , uh , is better at distinguishing between , uh , categories that are actually close to one another , and hence , would probably be clustered together .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So that 's th that 's the hard thing . I mean , I understand that there 's this other constraint that you 're considering , is that you wanna have categories that , uh {disfmarker} that would be straightforward for , say , a human being to mark if you had manual annotation . And it 's something that you really think you can pick up . But I think it 's also essential that you wanna look at what are the {vocalsound} confusions that you 're making and how can you come up with , uh , categories that , uh , can clarify these confusions .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , the standard sort of way of doing that is take a look at the algorithms you 're looking at , but then throw in some discriminative aspect to it . Y y this is more like , you know , how does LDA differ from PCA ? I mean , they 're the same sort of thing . They 're both orthogonalizing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "But , you know {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , um , this is a little harder because you 're not just trying to find parameters . You 're actually trying to find the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the categories themselves . Uh , so a little more like brain surgery , I think on yourself . Uh . So , uh",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Um , anyway . That 's my {pause} thought .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "You 've been thinking about this problem for a long time actually . I mean , well {disfmarker} W actually , you stopped thinking about it for a long time , but you used to think about it {vocalsound} a lot .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And you 've been thinking about it more now ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "these categories .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I guess {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} um , it 's not clear to me how to reconcile , you know , what you 're saying , which I think is right , with {pause} the way I 've been looking at it . That it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's all not very clear to me . But it seems to me that the desire {disfmarker} the desirable feature to have is something that , um , is bottom - up . You know , however we do that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And and so I guess what I don't understand is how to do that and still be discriminative , because to be discriminative you have to have categories and the only categories that we know of to use are sort of these human {disfmarker} human sig significant {disfmarker} categories that are significant to humans , like phonemes , things like that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But that 's sort of what you want to avoid . And so that feels {disfmarker} I don't know how to get out of this .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a , uh , uh Here 's a generic and possibly useless thought , which is , {vocalsound} um , what do you really {disfmarker} I mean , in a sense the only s s systems that make sense , uh , are ones that {disfmarker} that have something from top - down in th in them . Right ? Because if e even the smallest organism that 's trying to learn to do anything , if it doesn't have any kind of reward for doing {disfmarker} or penal penalty for doing anything , then it 's just going to behave randomly .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So whether you 're talking about something being learned through evolution or being learned through experience , it 's gotta have something come down to it that gives its reward or , you know , at least some reinforcement learning ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So the question is , how far down ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "We could stop at words , but we don't , right ? We go all the way down to phonemes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right , but I me I {disfmarker} I think that maybe in some ways part of the difficulty is {disfmarker} is trying to deal with the {disfmarker} with these phonemes . You know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and i it 's almost like you want categories if {disfmarker} if our {disfmarker} if our , uh , um , {vocalsound} metric of {disfmarker} of goodness , uh , i if our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "correction {disfmarker} if our metric of badness {vocalsound} is word error rate then , um , maybe we should be looking at words .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for very nice , uh , reasons we 've looked for a while at syllables , and they have a lot of good properties , but i i i if you go all the way to words , I mean , that 's really {disfmarker} I mean , d w In many applications you wanna go further . You wanna go to concepts or something , or have {disfmarker} have {disfmarker} have concepts , actions , this sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But words would be a nice {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But , words aren't bad , yeah . And {disfmarker} and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the common {disfmarker} right , the common wisdom is you can't do words because there 's too many of them , right ? So you have to have some smaller set that you can use , uh , and {disfmarker} and so everybody goes to phonemes . But the problem is that we {disfmarker} we build models of words in terms of phonemes and these models are {disfmarker} are really cartoon - ish , right ? So when you look at conversational speech , for example , you don't see the phonemes that you {disfmarker} that you have in your word models .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but we 're not trying for models of words here . See , so her here 's maybe where {disfmarker} If the issue is that we 're trying to come up with , um , some sort of intermediate categories which will then be useful for later stuff , uh , then {pause} maybe it doesn't matter that we can't have enough {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , what you wanna do is {disfmarker} is build up these categories that are {disfmarker} that are best for word recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and somehow if that 's built into the loop of what the categories {disfmarker} I mean , we do this every day in this very gross way of {disfmarker} of running o a thousand experiments",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": " Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "because we have fast computers and picking the thing that has the best word error rate .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "In some way {disfmarker} I mean , we derive that all the time . In some ways it 's really not {comment} a bad {disfmarker} bad thing to do because it tells you in fact how your adjustments at the very low level affect the {disfmarker} the final goal .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so maybe there 's a way to even put that in in a much more automatic way ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "where you take , you know , something about the error at the level of the word or some other {disfmarker} it could be syllable {disfmarker} but in some large unit ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh , and uh {disfmarker} yeah , you may not have word models , you have phone models , whatever , but you sort of {pause} don't worry about that , and just somehow feed it back through .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , so that 's , uh , wh what I called a useless comments because I 'm not really telling you how to do it . But I mean , it 's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's , you know {disfmarker} it",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No , but I think the important part in there is that , you know , if you want to be discriminative , you have to have uh , you know , categories .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And I think this {disfmarker} the important categories are the words , and {pause} not the phones .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . And so {disfmarker} Right . If you can put the words in to the loop somehow for determining goodness of your sets of clusters {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Now , that being said , I think that {disfmarker} that if you have something that is , um {disfmarker} i Once you start dealing with spontaneous speech , all the things you 're saying are {disfmarker} are really true .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "If you {pause} have read speech that 's been manually annotated , like TIMIT , then , you know , i i you the phones are gonna be right , actually , {vocalsound} for the most part .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so , uh , it doesn't really hurt them to {disfmarker} to do that , to put in discrimination at that level .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , if you go to spontaneous speech then it 's {disfmarker} it 's trickier and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , uh , the phones are {disfmarker} uh , you know , it 's gonna be based on bad pronunciation models that you have of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and , um {disfmarker} And it won't allow for the overlapping phenomenon",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . So it 's almost like there 's this mechanism that we have that , you know , when {disfmarker} when we 're hearing read speech and all the phonemes are there you know , we {disfmarker} we deal with that , but {disfmarker} but when we go to conversational , and then all of a sudden not all the phonemes are there , it doesn't really matter that much to us as humans because we have some kind of mechanism that allows for these word models , whatever those models are , to be {pause} munged , you know , and {disfmarker} and it doesn't really hurt , and I 'm not sure how {disfmarker} {vocalsound} how to build that in . Uh .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , I guess the other thing i is {disfmarker} is to think of a little bit {disfmarker} I mean , we when y when you start looking at these kind of results I think it usually is {disfmarker} is pretty intuitive , but start looking at um , what are the kinds of confusions that you do make , uh , you know , between words if you want or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or , uh , even phones in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in read speech , say , uh , when there is noise . You know , so is it more across place or more across manner ? Or is it cor you know , is it {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I know one thing that happens is that you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you , uh , you lose the , um , uh , low energy phones . I mean , if there 's added noise then low energy phones {vocalsound} sometimes don't get heard . And if that {disfmarker} if that is {disfmarker} if it {disfmarker} uh , if that turns it into another word or {disfmarker} or different {disfmarker} you know , or another pair of words or something , then it 's more likely to happen . But , um , I don't know , I w I would {disfmarker} I would guess that you 'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "W I don't know . Anyway , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think part of the difficulty is that a l a lot of the robustness that we have is probably coming from a much higher level .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You know , we understand the context of the situation when we 're having a conversation . And so if there 's noise in there , you know , our brain fills in and imagines what {disfmarker} what should be there .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We 're {disfmarker} we 're doing some sort of prediction of what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sure , that 's really big .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but I mean , even if you do um , uh , diagnostic rhyme test kind of things , you know , where there really isn't an any information like that , uh , people are still better in noise than they {disfmarker} than they are in {disfmarker} in , uh {disfmarker} uh , than the machines are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean , that 's {disfmarker} i Right . We can't {disfmarker} we can't get it at all without any language models . Language models are there and important but {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker} Uh . If we 're not working on that then {vocalsound} we should work on something else and improve it , but {disfmarker} especially if it looks like the potential is there . So {disfmarker} Should we do some digits ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Since we 're here ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead , Morgan .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's all folks .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
}
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"answer": "The meeting occurred very close to the finalization of the Aurora model. The team discussed how various components of the model could be moved around to improve results. They had to decrease system latency as well to meet the Aurora requirements. The team thought that LPC could solve the problems they were having. The team also began discussing the Wall Street Journal data and task, which focused on speech recognition. The team was studying the task and learning from Mississippi State's existing model on how to perform better on it. Finally, the team discussed how they could histogram equalization as an alternative to some of the techniques they were using in their current models.",
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"answer": "The team was filtering out white noise from the digit task using LPC. The concern was that LPC was not a great representation of speech. The LPC was adding degradation.",
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"answer": "The professor thought the LPC had two problems. It was adding degradation and there was an issue with pitch. The professor also expressed that the LPC was throwing away information that was useful.",
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"answer": "PhD D expressed that the resynthesized version of the speech that LPC gave was not the same as speech. Though, the excitations were more clear in the resynthesized version.",
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"answer": "Guenter from Germany expressed that CVS would not work for him. He was going to work on histogram equalization. Histogram equalization was mentioned in a recent paper published by Ney. The team discussed the paper and its implications.",
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"answer": "PhD D had not read the paper, only the poster on histogram equalization. PhD D reported that the histogram equalization was similar to on-line normalization. There was a histogram for each frequency band.",
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{
"content": "Eh , we should be going .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So ne next week we 'll have , uh , both Birger {pause} and , uh , Mike {disfmarker} Michael {disfmarker} Michael Kleinschmidt and Birger Kollmeier will join us .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , and you 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you 're probably gonna go up in a couple {disfmarker} three weeks or so ? When d when are you thinking of going up to , uh , OGI ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like , uh , not next week but maybe the week after .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good . So at least we 'll have one meeting with {vocalsound} yo with you still around , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , Yeah . Well , {vocalsound} maybe we can start with this . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "All today , huh ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . So there was this conference call this morning , um , and the only topic on the agenda was just to discuss a and to come at {disfmarker} uh , to get a decision about this latency problem .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No , this {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , this is a conference call between different Aurora people or just {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . It 's the conference call between the Aurora , {vocalsound} uh , group .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It 's the main conference call . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . There were like two hours of {pause} discussions , and then suddenly , {vocalsound} uh , people were tired , I guess , and they decided on {nonvocalsound} a number , two hundred and twenty , um , included e including everything . Uh , it means that it 's like eighty milliseconds {pause} less than before .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And what are we sitting at currently ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , currently d uh , we have system that has two hundred and thirty . So , that 's fine .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Two thirty .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that 's the system that 's described on the second point of {pause} this {vocalsound} document .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} we have to reduce it by ten milliseconds somehow .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's not a problem , I {disfmarker} I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . W It 's {disfmarker} it 's p d primary {disfmarker} primarily determined by the VAD at this point ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "S so we can make the VAD a little shorter .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . At this point , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We probably should do that pretty soon so that we don't get used to it being a certain way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Was Hari on the {disfmarker} on the phone ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it was mainly a discussion {vocalsound} between Hari and {vocalsound} David ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "who was like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "mmm {disfmarker} Uh , yeah . So , the second thing is the system that we have currently . Oh , yes . We have , like , a system that gives sixty - two percent improvement , but {vocalsound} if you want to stick to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this latency {disfmarker} Well , it has a latency of two thirty , but {vocalsound} if you want also to stick to the number {vocalsound} of features that {disfmarker} limit it to sixty , {vocalsound} then we go a little bit down but it 's still sixty - one percent . Uh , and if we drop the tandem network , then we have fifty - seven percent .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , but th the two th two thirty includes the tandem network ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK . And i is the tandem network , uh , small enough that it will fit on the terminal size in terms of {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , I don't think so .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's still {disfmarker} in terms of computation , if we use , like , their way of computing the {disfmarker} the maps {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the MIPs , {vocalsound} I think it fits ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but it 's , uh , m mainly a problem of memory .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , and I don't know how much {pause} this can be discussed or not , because it 's {disfmarker} it could be in ROM , so it 's maybe not that expensive . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Ho - how much memory d ? H how many {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I d I d uh , I {disfmarker} I don't kn remember exactly , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh . Yeah , I c I {disfmarker} I have to check that .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'd like to {pause} see that , cuz maybe I could think a little bit about it , cuz we {vocalsound} maybe we could make it a little smaller or {disfmarker} I mean , it 'd be {disfmarker} it 'd be neat if we could fit it all .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I 'd like to see how far off we are .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I guess it 's still within their rules to have {disfmarker} have it on the , uh , t uh , server side . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And this is still {disfmarker} ? Uh , well , y you 're saying here . I c I should just let you go on .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there were small tricks to make this tandem network work . Uh , {vocalsound} mmm , and one of the trick was to , {vocalsound} um , use {vocalsound} some kind of hierarchical structure where {pause} the silence probability is not computed by {pause} the final tandem network but by the VAD network . Um , so apparently it looks better when , {vocalsound} uh , we use the silence probability from the VAD network",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and we re - scale the other probabilities by one minus the silence probability . Um . So it 's some kind of hierarchical thing , {vocalsound} uh , that Sunil also tried , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} on SPINE and apparently it helps a little bit also . Mmm . And . Yeah , the reason w why {disfmarker} why we did that with the silence probability was that , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Could {disfmarker} ? Uh , uh , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm really sorry . Can you repeat what you were saying about the silence probability ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I only {disfmarker} My mind was some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there is the tandem network that e e e estimates the phone probabilities",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and the silence probabilities also .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} things get better when , instead of using the silence probability computed by the tandem network , we use the silence probability , uh , given by the VAD network ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "um ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "The VAD network is {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Which is smaller , but maybe , um {disfmarker} So we have a network for the VAD which has one hundred hidden units , and the tandem network has five hundred . Um . So it 's smaller but th the silence probability {pause} from this network seems , uh , better .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Uh . Well , it looks strange , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but it",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it 's {disfmarker} has something to do to {vocalsound} the fact that {vocalsound} we don't have infinite training data and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "We don't ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well ! And so {disfmarker} Well , things are not optimal",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Mmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Are you {disfmarker} you were going to say why {disfmarker} what made you {disfmarker} wh what led you to do that .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , there was a p {comment} problem that we observed , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} that there was {disfmarker} there were , like , many insertions in the {disfmarker} in the system .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Actually plugging in the tandem network was increasing , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think , the number of insertions .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} So it looked strange and then just using the {disfmarker} the other silence probability helps . Mmm . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . The next thing we will do is train this tandem on more data .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , you know , in a way what it might {disfmarker} i it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little bit like {vocalsound} combining knowledge sources .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Because {vocalsound} the fact that you have these two nets that are different sizes {pause} means they behave a little differently ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "they find different {pause} things . And , um , if you have , um {disfmarker} f the distribution that you have from , uh , f speech sounds is w {comment} sort of one source of knowledge .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And this is {disfmarker} and rather than just taking one minus that to get the other , which is essentially what 's happening , you have this other source of knowledge that you 're putting in there . So you make use of both of them {vocalsound} in {disfmarker} in {pause} what you 're ending up with . Maybe it 's better .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , you can probably justify anything if what 's use",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and the features are different also . I mean , the VAD doesn't use the same features there are .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That might be the key , actually .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz you were really thinking about speech versus nonspeech for that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Uh . Well , there are other things that {vocalsound} we should do but , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} it requires time and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have ideas , like {disfmarker} so , these things are like hav having a better VAD . Uh , we have some ideas about that . It would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} probably implies working a little bit on features that are more {vocalsound} suited to a voice activity detection .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Working on the second stream . Of course we have ideas on this also , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} w we need to try different things and {disfmarker} Uh , but their noise estimation , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , back on the second stream , I mean , that 's something we 've talked about for a while . I mean , I think {nonvocalsound} that 's certainly a high hope .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , so we have this {disfmarker} this default idea about just using some sort of purely spectral thing ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "for a second stream ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But , um , we {disfmarker} we did a first try with this , and it {disfmarker} it {vocalsound} clearly hurts .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , uh , how was the stream combined ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} It was c it was just combined , um , by the acoustic model . So there was , no neural network for the moment .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , I mean , if you just had a second stream that was just spectral and had another neural net and combined there , that {disfmarker} that , uh , {vocalsound} might be good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mmm . Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Yeah , and the other thing , that noise estimation and th um , maybe try to train {disfmarker} uh , the training data for the t tandem network , right now , is like {disfmarker} i is using the noises from the Aurora task and {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think that people might , {vocalsound} um , try to argue about that because {vocalsound} then in some cases we have the same noises in {disfmarker} for training the network {pause} than the noises that are used for testing ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} So we have t n uh , to try to get rid of these {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this problem .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe you just put in some other noise , something that 's different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it {disfmarker} it 's probably helpful to have {disfmarker} have a little noise there . But it may be something else",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "th at least you could say it was .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} if it doesn't hurt too much , though .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . The last thing is that I think we are getting close to human performance . Well , that 's something I would like to investigate further , but , um , I did , like , um {disfmarker} I did , uh , listen to the m most noisy utterances of the SpeechDat - Car Italian and tried to transcribe them . And , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So this is a particular human . This is {disfmarker} this i this is Stephane .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "St - Stephane .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "that 's the {disfmarker} the flaw of the experiment . This is just {disfmarker} i j {comment} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it 's just one subject ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Getting close .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but still , uh , {vocalsound} what happens is {disfmarker} is that , {vocalsound} uh , the digit error rate on this is around one percent ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "while our system is currently at seven percent . Um , but what happens also is that if I listen to the , um {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} a re - synthesized version of the speech and {pause} I re - synthesized this using a white noise that 's filtered by a LPC , uh , filter {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , you can argue , that , uh {disfmarker} that this is not speech ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so the ear is not trained to recognize this . But s actually it sound like {pause} whispering , so we are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "There 's two problems there . I mean {disfmarker} I mean , so {disfmarker} so the first is {vocalsound} that by doing LPC - twelve with synthesized speech w like you 're saying , uh , it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} i i you 're {disfmarker} you 're adding other degradation .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So it 's not just the noise but you 're adding in fact some degradation because it 's only an approximation . Um , and the second thing is {disfmarker} which is m maybe more interesting {disfmarker} is that , um , {comment} {vocalsound} if you do it with whispered speech , you get this number . What if you had {pause} done analysis {comment} re - synthesis and taken the pitch as well ? Alright ? So now you put the pitch in .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What would the percentage be then ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "See , that 's the question . So , you see , if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's , uh {disfmarker} Let 's say it 's {pause} back down to one percent again .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "That would say at least for people , having the pitch is really , really important , which would be interesting in itself . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "if i on the other hand , if it stayed up {pause} near five percent , {vocalsound} then I 'd say \" boy , LPC n twelve is pretty crummy \" . You know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So I I I 'm not sure {disfmarker} I 'm not sure how we can conclude from this anything about {disfmarker} that our system is close to {vocalsound} the human performance .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Ye Yeah . Well , the point is that eh l ey {disfmarker} the point is that , um , {vocalsound} what I {disfmarker} what I listened to when I re - synthesized the LP - the LPC - twelve {pause} spectrum {vocalsound} is in a way what the system , uh , is hearing , cuz @ @ {disfmarker} all the {disfmarker} all the , um , excitation {disfmarker} all the {disfmarker} well , the excitation is {disfmarker} is not taken into account . That 's what we do with our system . And",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , you 're not doing the LPC {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "in this case {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , so {disfmarker} so what if you did a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's not LPC , sure ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "What if you did LPC - twenty ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} LPC {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Twenty . Right ? I mean , th the thing is LPC is not a {disfmarker} a really great representation of speech .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , all I 'm saying is that you have in addition to the w the , uh , removal of pitch , {vocalsound} you also are doing , uh , a particular parameterization ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "which , um , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so , let 's see , how would you do {disfmarker} ? So , fo",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But that 's {disfmarker} that 's what we do with our systems . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "No . Actually , we d we {disfmarker} we don't , because we do {disfmarker} we do , uh , {vocalsound} uh , mel filter bank , for instance . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but is it that {disfmarker} is it that different , I mean ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} I don't know what mel , {pause} uh , based synthesis would sound like ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but certainly the spectra are quite different .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't you t couldn't you , um , test the human performance on just the original {pause} audio ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . This is the one percent number .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it 's one percent . He 's trying to remove the pitch information",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh . OK ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and make it closer to what {disfmarker} to what we 're seeing as the feature vectors .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , y uh , your performance was one percent , and then when you re - synthesize with LPC - twelve it went to five .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker} We were {disfmarker} we were j It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's a little bit still apples and oranges because we are choosing these features in order to be the best for recognition .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And , um , i if you listen to them they still might not be very {disfmarker} Even if you made something closer to what we 're gonna {disfmarker} i it might not sound very good .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and i the degradation from that might {disfmarker} might actually make it even harder , {vocalsound} uh , to understand than the LPC - twelve . So all I 'm saying is that the LPC - twelve {vocalsound} puts in {disfmarker} synthesis puts in some degradation that 's not what we 're used to hearing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and is , um {disfmarker} It 's not {disfmarker} it 's not just a question of how much information is there , as if you will always take maximum {vocalsound} advantage of any information that 's presented to you .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "In fact , you {vocalsound} hear some things better than others . And so it {disfmarker} it isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But , {vocalsound} I agree that it says that , uh , the kind of information that we 're feeding it is probably , {vocalsound} um , um , a little bit , um , minimal . There 's definitely some things that we 've thrown away . And that 's why I was saying it might be interesting if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} an interesting test of this would be if you {disfmarker} if you actually put the pitch back in . So , you just extract it from the actual speech and put it back in , and see does that {disfmarker} is that {disfmarker} does that make the difference ? If that {disfmarker} if that takes it down to one percent again , {vocalsound} then you 'd say \" OK , it 's {disfmarker} it 's in fact having , um , {vocalsound} not just the spectral envelope but also the {disfmarker} also the {disfmarker} the pitch {vocalsound} that , uh , {comment} @ @ {comment} has the information that people can use , anyway . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But from this it 's pretty safe to say that the system is with either {vocalsound} two to seven percent away from {pause} the performance of a human . Right ? So it 's somewhere in that range .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , or it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Two {disfmarker} two to six percent .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's one point four times , uh , to , uh , seven times the error ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "To f seven times , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "for Stephane .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker} uh , but i I don't know . I do don't wanna take you away from other things .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {comment} but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But that 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that 's what {disfmarker} that 's the first thing that I would be curious about , is , you know , i i {vocalsound} when you we",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "But the signal itself is like a mix of {disfmarker} um , of a {disfmarker} a periodic sound and , {pause} @ @ {comment} uh , unvoiced sound , and the noise",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "which is mostly , {vocalsound} uh , noise . I mean not {pause} periodic . So , {pause} what {disfmarker} what do you mean exactly by putting back the pitch in ? Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "In the LPC synthesis ? I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You did LPC re - synthesis {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "L PC re - synthesis .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} and you did it with a noise source , rather than with {disfmarker} with a s periodic source .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So if you actually did real re - synthesis like you do in an LPC synthesizer , where it 's unvoiced you use noise , where it 's voiced you use , {vocalsound} uh , periodic pulses .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it 's neither {pause} purely voiced or purely unvoiced . Esp - especially because there is noise .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , it might be hard to do it",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "but it but {disfmarker} but the thing is that if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , if you detect that there 's periodic {disfmarker} s strong periodic components , then you can use a voiced {disfmarker} voice thing .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Uh - huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , it 's probably not worth your time . It 's {disfmarker} it 's a side thing and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and there 's a lot to do .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just saying , at least as a thought experiment , {vocalsound} that 's what I would wanna test .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I wan would wanna drive it with a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a two - source system rather than a {disfmarker} than a one - source system .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And then that would tell you whether in fact it 's {disfmarker} Cuz we 've talked about , like , this harmonic tunneling or {vocalsound} other things that people have done based on pitch , maybe that 's really a key element . Maybe {disfmarker} maybe , uh , {vocalsound} uh , without that , it 's {disfmarker} it 's not possible to do a whole lot better than we 're doing . That {disfmarker} that could be .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's what I was thinking by doing this es experiment ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker} Mmm . {vocalsound} Evi",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean , other than that , I don't think it 's {disfmarker} I mean , other than the pitch de information , {vocalsound} it 's hard to imagine that there 's a whole lot more {vocalsound} in the signal that {disfmarker} that , uh {disfmarker} that we 're throwing away that 's important .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yeah . {vocalsound} Mm - hmm . Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , we 're using {vocalsound} a fair number of filters in the filter bank and {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That look",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's it .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I mean , one {disfmarker} one percent is sort of what I would {disfmarker} I would figure . If somebody was paying really close attention , you might get {disfmarker} I would actually think that if , {vocalsound} you looked at people on various times of the day and different amounts of attention , you might actually get up to three or four percent error on digits . Uh , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So it 's {disfmarker} you know , we 're not {disfmarker} we 're not incredibly far off . On the other hand , with any of these numbers except maybe the one percent , it 's st it 's not actually usable in a commercial system with a full telephone number or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Yeah . At these noise levels .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . These numbers , I mean . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Good . Um , while we 're still on Aurora stuff {pause} maybe you can talk a little about the status with the , uh , {vocalsound} Wall Street Journal {vocalsound} things for it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So I 've , um , downloaded , uh , a couple of things from Mississippi State . Um , one is their {vocalsound} software {disfmarker} their , uh , LVCSR system . Downloaded the latest version of that . Got it compiled and everything . Um , downloaded the scripts . They wrote some scripts that sort of make it easy to run {vocalsound} the system on the Wall Street Journal , uh , data . Um , so I haven't run the scripts yet . Uh , I 'm waiting {disfmarker} there was one problem with part of it and I wrote a note to Joe asking him about it . So I 'm waiting to hear from him . But , um , I did print something out just to give you an idea about where the system is . Uh , {vocalsound} they {disfmarker} on their web site they , uh , did this little table of where their system performs relative to other systems that have done this {disfmarker} this task . And , um , the Mississippi State system {vocalsound} using a bigram grammar , uh , is at about eight point two percent . Other comparable systems from , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} were getting from , uh , like six point nine , six point eight percent . So they 're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is on clean test set ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "This is on clean {disfmarker} on clean stuff . Yeah . They {disfmarker} they 've started a table {vocalsound} where they 're showing their results on various different noise conditions but they {disfmarker} they don't have a whole lot of it filled in and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and I didn't notice until after I 'd printed it out that , um , {vocalsound} they don't say here {pause} what these different testing conditions are .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "You actually have to click on it on the web site to see them . So I {disfmarker} I don't know what those {pause} numbers really mean .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "What kind of numbers are they getting on these {disfmarker} on the test conditions ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , see , I was a little confused because on this table , I 'm {disfmarker} the they 're showing word error rate . But on this one , I {disfmarker} I don't know if these are word error rates because they 're really big . So , {vocalsound} under condition one here it 's ten percent . Then under three it goes to sixty - four point six percent .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's probably Aurora .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So m I guess maybe they 're error rates but they 're , uh {disfmarker} they 're really high .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't find that surpri",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker} W what 's {disfmarker} what 's some of the lower error rates on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} uh , some of the higher error rates on , uh , {vocalsound} some of these w uh , uh , highly mismatched difficult conditions ? What 's a {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah , it 's around fifteen to twenty percent .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Correct ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the baseline , eh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Accuracy ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , error rate .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Twenty percent error rate ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So twenty percent error rate on digits .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh , on digits .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So if you 're doing {disfmarker} so if you 're doing ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "On digits .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "you know ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this is so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} still the baseline .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "sixty - thousand {disfmarker} ",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and if you 're saying sixty - thousand word recognition , getting sixty percent error on some of these noise condition not at all surprising .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The baseline is sixty percent also on digits ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , is it ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "on the m more {pause} mismatched conditions .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , that 's probably what it is then . Yeah . So they have a lot of different conditions that they 're gonna be filling out .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It 's a bad sign when you {disfmarker} looking at the numbers , you can't tell whether it 's accuracy or error rate .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's gonna be hard . Um , they 're {disfmarker} I I 'm still waiting for them to {pause} release the , um , {vocalsound} multi - CPU version of their scripts , cuz right now their script only handles processing on a single CPU , which will take a really long time to run . So . But their s",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "This is for the training ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} I beli Yes , for the training {pause} also . And , um , they 're supposed to be coming out with it any time ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "the multi - CPU one . So , as soon as they get that , then I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll grab those too",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and so w",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz we have to get started ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "cuz it 's {disfmarker} cuz , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'll go ahead and try to run it though with just the single CPU one ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "if the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they , {vocalsound} um , released like a smaller data set that you can use that only takes like sixteen hours to train and stuff . So I can {disfmarker} I can run it on that just to make sure that the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the thing works and everything .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Good . Yeah . Cuz we 'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I guess the actual evaluation will be in six weeks or something . So . Is that about right {pause} you think ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we don't know yet , I {disfmarker} I think .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Really , we don't know ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Um .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "It wasn't on the conference call this morning ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Did they say anything on the conference call {pause} about , um , how the {pause} Wall Street Journal part of the test was going to be {pause} run ? Because I {disfmarker} I thought I remembered hearing that some sites {vocalsound} were saying that they didn't have the compute to be able to run the Wall Street Journal stuff at their place ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "No . Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so there was some talk about having Mississippi State run {pause} the systems for them . And I {disfmarker} Did {disfmarker} did that come up at all ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no . Well , this {disfmarker} first , this was not the point at all of this {disfmarker} the meeting today",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Some",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "uh , frankly , I don't know because I d {comment} didn't read also the {pause} most recent mails about {vocalsound} the large - vocabulary task . But , {vocalsound} uh , did you {disfmarker} do you still , uh , get the mails ? You 're not on the mailing list or what ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm - mm . The only , um , mail I get is from Mississippi State {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . So we should have a look at this .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "about their system . I {disfmarker} I don't get any {pause} mail about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I have to say , there 's uh something funny - sounding about saying that one of these big companies doesn't have enough cup compute power do that , so they 're having to have it done by Mississippi State .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "It just {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just sounds funny .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It does .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm wondering about that",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "because there 's this whole issue about , you know , simple tuning parameters , like word insertion penalties .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And {pause} whether or not those are going to be tuned or not , and {disfmarker} {comment} So .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it makes a big difference . If you change your front - end , you know , the scale is completely {disfmarker} can be completely different , so . It seems reasonable that that at least should be tweaked to match the front - end . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You didn't get any answer from {pause} Joe ?",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I did , but Joe {pause} said , you know , \" what you 're saying makes sense",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {pause} I don't know \" . So he doesn't know what the answer is .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's th We had this back and forth a little bit about , {vocalsound} you know , are sites gonna {disfmarker} are you gonna run this data for different sites ? And , well , if {disfmarker} if Mississippi State runs it , then maybe they 'll do a little optimization on that {pause} parameter , and , uh {disfmarker} But then he wasn't asked to run it for anybody . So i it 's {disfmarker} it 's just not clear yet what 's gonna happen .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , he 's been putting this stuff out on their web site and {disfmarker} for people to grab but I haven't heard too much about what 's happening .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So it could be {disfmarker} I mean , Chuck and I had actually talked about this a couple times , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} over some lunches , I think , {vocalsound} that , um , {vocalsound} one thing that we might wanna do {disfmarker} The - there 's this question about , you know , what do you wanna scale ? Suppose y you can't adjust {vocalsound} these word insertion penalties and so forth , so you have to do everything at the level of the features . What could you do ? And , uh , one thing I had suggested at an earlier time was maybe some sort of scaling , some sort of root or {disfmarker} or something of the , um , {vocalsound} uh , features . But the problem with that is that isn't quite the same , it occurred to me later , because what you really want to do is scale the , uh , @ @ {comment} the range of the likelihoods rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Nnn , the dist Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "But , {vocalsound} what might get at something similar , it just occurred to me , is kind of an intermediate thing {disfmarker} is because we do this strange thing that we do with the tandem system , at least in that system what you could do {vocalsound} is take the , um , {vocalsound} uh , values that come out of the net , which are something like log probabilities , and scale those . And then , uh , um {disfmarker} {pause} then at least those things would have the right values or the right {disfmarker} the right range . And then that goes into the rest of it and then that 's used as observations . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's , {vocalsound} um , another way to do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . But , these values are not directly used as probabilities anyway .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I know they 're not .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So there are {disfmarker} there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I know they 're not . But {disfmarker} but , you know {disfmarker} So because what we 're doing is pretty strange and complicated , we don't really know what the effect is {pause} at the other end .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} um , {pause} my thought was maybe {disfmarker} I mean , they 're not used as probabilities , but the log probabilities {disfmarker} we 're taking advantage of the fact that something like log probabilities has more of a Gaussian shape than Gaus - than {vocalsound} probabilities , and so we can model them better . So , {pause} in a way we 're taking advantage of the fact that they 're probabilities , because they 're this quantity that looks kind of Gaussian when you take it 's log . So , {comment} {vocalsound} uh , maybe {disfmarker} maybe it would have a {disfmarker} a reasonable effect to do that .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I d I don't know . But , {pause} I mean , I guess we still haven't had a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a ruling back on this . And we may end up being in a situation where we just you know really can't change the {vocalsound} word insertion penalty . But the other thing we could do {vocalsound} is {disfmarker} also we could {disfmarker} I mean , this {disfmarker} this may not help us , {vocalsound} uh , in the evaluation but it might help us in our understanding at least . We might , {vocalsound} just run it with different insper insertion penalties , and show that , uh , \" well , OK , not changing it , {vocalsound} playing the rules the way you wanted , we did this . But in fact if we did that , it made a {disfmarker} {pause} a big difference . \"",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I wonder if it {disfmarker} it might be possible to , uh , simulate the back - end with some other system . So we {disfmarker} we get our f front - end features , and then , uh , as part of the process of figuring out the scaling of these features , {comment} you know , if we 're gonna take it to a root or to a power or something , {comment} {vocalsound} we have some back - end that we attach onto our features that sort of simulates what would be happening .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And just adjust it until it 's the best number ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and just adjust it until that {disfmarker} our l version of the back - end , uh , decides that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can probably use the real thing , can't we ? And then jus just , uh , {vocalsound} use it on a reduced test set or something .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , yeah . That 's true .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And then we just use that to determine some scaling factor that we use .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I mean , I I think that that 's a reasonable thing to do and the only question is what 's the actual knob that we use ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And the knob that we use should {disfmarker} uh , uh , unfortunately , like I say , I don't know the analytic solution to this cuz what we really want to do is change the scale of the likelihoods ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "not the cha not the scale of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the {pause} observations . But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Out of curiosity , what {disfmarker} what kind of recognizer {pause} is the one from Mississippi State ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , w what do you mean when you say \" what kind \" ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} ? Um , is it like a {pause} Gaussian mixture model ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Gaussian mixture model .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "It 's the same system that they use {pause} when they participate in the Hub - five evals . It 's a , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} sort of {pause} came out of , uh {disfmarker} uh , looking a lot like HTK . I mean , they started off with {disfmarker} um , when they were building their system they were always comparing to HTK to make sure they were getting similar results . And so , {vocalsound} it 's a Gaussian mixture system , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Do they have the same sort of mix - down sort of procedure , where they {vocalsound} start off with a small number of some things",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Yeah . And then {pause} divide the mixtures in half .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if they do that . I 'm not really sure .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "D Do you know what kind of tying they use ? Are they {disfmarker} they sort of {disfmarker} some sort of {disfmarker} a bunch of Gaussians that they share across everything ? Or {disfmarker} {vocalsound} or if it 's {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th I have {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't have it up here but I have a {disfmarker} {pause} the whole system description , that describes exactly what their {pause} system is",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "and I {disfmarker} I 'm not sure . But , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's some kind of a mixture of Gaussians and , {vocalsound} uh , clustering and , uh {disfmarker} They 're {disfmarker} they 're trying to put in sort of all of the standard features that people use nowadays .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So the other , uh , Aurora thing maybe is {disfmarker} I I dunno if any of this is gonna {vocalsound} {pause} come in in time to be relevant , but , uh , we had talked about , uh , {comment} Guenter {vocalsound} playing around , uh , uh , over in Germany",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and , @ @ {comment} uh , {pause} possibly coming up with something {vocalsound} that would , uh , {pause} uh , fit in later . Uh , I saw that other mail where he said that he {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , it wasn't going to work for him to do CVS .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So now he has a version of the software .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So he just has it all sitting there . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So if he 'll {disfmarker} he might work on improving the noise estimate or on {vocalsound} some histogram things , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I just saw the Eurospeech {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} we didn't talk about it at our meeting but I just saw the {disfmarker} just read the paper . Someone , I forget the name , {comment} and {disfmarker} and Ney , uh , about histogram equalization ? Did you see that one ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , it was a poster . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean , I just read the paper .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "I didn't see the poster .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It was something {pause} similar to n {vocalsound} on - line normalization finally {disfmarker} I mean , in {vocalsound} the idea of {disfmarker} of normalizing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it 's a little more {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's a little finer , right ? So they had like ten quantiles",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and they adjust the distribution .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So you {disfmarker} you have the distributions from the training set ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "N",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and then , uh {disfmarker} So this is just a {disfmarker} a histogram of {disfmarker} of {vocalsound} the amplitudes , I guess . Right ? And then {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um , people do this in image processing some .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "You have this kind of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of histogram of {disfmarker} of levels of brightness or whatever . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and then , {vocalsound} when you get a new {disfmarker} new thing that you {disfmarker} you want to adjust to be {pause} better in some way , {vocalsound} you adjust it so that the histogram of the new data looks like the old data .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "You do this kind of {vocalsound} piece - wise linear or , {vocalsound} uh , some kind of piece - wise approximation . They did a {disfmarker} uh one version that was piece - wise linear and another that had a power law thing between them {disfmarker} {vocalsound} between the {pause} points . And , uh , they said they s they sort of see it in a way as s for the speech case {comment} {disfmarker} as being kind of a generalization of spectral subtraction in a way , because , you know , in spectral subtraction you 're trying to {vocalsound} get rid of this excess energy . Uh , you know , it 's not supposed to be there . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , this is sort of {pause} {vocalsound} adjusting it for {disfmarker} for a lot of different levels . And then they have s they have some kind of , {vocalsound} uh , {pause} a floor or something ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "so if it gets too low you don't {disfmarker} don't do it .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And they {disfmarker} they claimed very nice results ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So is this a histogram across different frequency bins ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think this i You know , I don't remember that . Do you remember {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I think they have , yeah , different histograms . I uh {disfmarker} Something like one per {pause} frequency band ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "One {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , one histogram per frequency bin .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "One per critical {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} But I did {disfmarker} Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "And that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "But I should read the paper . I just went {pause} through the poster quickly ,",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So th",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "And I don't remember whether it was {pause} filter bank things",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "and I didn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or whether it was FFT bins",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and that {disfmarker} that , um , {pause} histogram represents {pause} the {pause} different energy levels that have been seen at that {pause} frequency ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember that . And how often they {disfmarker} you 've seen them . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And they do {disfmarker} they said that they could do it for the test {disfmarker} So you don't have to change the training . You just do a measurement over the training . And then , uh , for testing , uh , you can do it for one per utterance . Even relatively short utterances . And they claim it {disfmarker} it works pretty well .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So they , uh {disfmarker} Is the idea that you {disfmarker} you run a test utterance through some histogram generation thing and then you compare the histograms and that tells you {vocalsound} what to do to the utterance to make it more like {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I guess in pri Yeah . In principle .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I didn't read carefully how they actually implemented it ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "whether it was some , {vocalsound} uh , on - line thing , or whether it was a second pass , or what . But {disfmarker} but they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That {disfmarker} that was sort of the idea .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} that seemed , you know , different . We 're sort of curious about , uh , what are some things that are , u u um , {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} {pause} conceptually quite different from what we 've done .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Cuz we {disfmarker} you know , one thing that w that , uh , Stephane and Sunil seemed to find , {vocalsound} uh , was , you know , they could actually make a unified piece of software that handled a range of different things that people were talking about , and it was really just sort of setting of different {pause} constants . And it would turn , you know , one thing into another . It 'd turn Wiener filtering into spectral subtraction , or whatever . But there 's other things that we 're not doing . So , we 're not making any use of pitch , uh , uh , which again , might {disfmarker} might be important , uh , because the stuff between the harmonics is probably a schmutz . And {disfmarker} and the , {vocalsound} uh , transcribers will have fun with that . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And , um , the , uh , stuff at the harmonics isn't so much . And {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} And we there 's this overall idea of really sort of matching the {disfmarker} the hi distributions somehow . Uh , not just , um , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} not just subtracting off your estimate of the noise . So . So I guess , uh , {vocalsound} Guenter 's gonna play around with some of these things now over this next {pause} period ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I dunno .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I don't have feedback from him , but",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I guess he 's gonna , maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Well , he 's got it anyway , so he can .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "So potentially if he came up with something that was useful , like a diff a better noise estimation module or something , he could ship it to you guys u up there",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "we could put it in .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . {vocalsound} Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . So , that 's good . So , why don't we just , uh , um {disfmarker} I think starting {disfmarker} {pause} starting a w couple weeks from now , especially if you 're not gonna be around for a while , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll be shifting more over to some other {disfmarker} {vocalsound} other territory . But , uh , uh , {comment} uh , n not {disfmarker} not so much in this meeting about Aurora , but {disfmarker} but , uh , uh , maybe just , uh , quickly today about {disfmarker} maybe you could just say a little bit about what you 've been talking about with Michael . And {disfmarker} and then Barry can say something about {pause} what {comment} {disfmarker} what we 're talking about .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK . So Michael Kleinschmidt , who 's a PHD student from Germany , {vocalsound} showed up this week . He 'll be here for about six months . And he 's done some work using {vocalsound} an auditory model {pause} of , um , {vocalsound} human hearing , and {pause} using that f uh , to generate speech recognition features . And {pause} he did {vocalsound} work back in Germany {vocalsound} with , um , a toy recognition system {vocalsound} using , um , isolated {vocalsound} digit recognition {vocalsound} as the task . It was actually just a single - layer neural network {vocalsound} that classified words {disfmarker} classified digits , {vocalsound} in fact . Um , and {pause} he tried that on {disfmarker} I think on some Aurora data and got results that he thought {pause} seemed respectable . And he w he 's coming here to u u use it on a {vocalsound} uh , a real speech recognition system . So I 'll be working with him on that . And , um , maybe I should say a little more about these features , although I don't understand them that well . The {disfmarker} I think it 's a two - stage idea . And , um , {vocalsound} the first stage of these features correspond to what 's called the peripheral {vocalsound} auditory system . And {vocalsound} I guess that is like {vocalsound} a filter bank with a compressive nonlinearity . And {vocalsound} I 'm - I 'm not sure what we have @ @ in there that isn't already modeled in something like , {vocalsound} um , {pause} PLP . I should learn more about that . And then {vocalsound} the second stage {pause} is , um , {vocalsound} the most different thing , I think , from what we usually do . It 's , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it computes features which are , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} based on {disfmarker} sort of like based on diffe different w um , wavelet basis functions {vocalsound} used to analyze {vocalsound} the input . So th he uses analysis functions called {vocalsound} Gabor functions , um , {vocalsound} which have a certain {vocalsound} extent , um , {vocalsound} in time and in frequency . And {vocalsound} the idea is these are used to sample , {vocalsound} um , the signal in a represented as a time - frequency representation . So you 're {pause} sampling some piece of this time - frequency plane . And , um , {vocalsound} that , {vocalsound} um , is {disfmarker} is interesting , cuz , {vocalsound} @ @ for {disfmarker} for one thing , you could use it , {vocalsound} um , in a {disfmarker} a multi - scale way . You could have these {disfmarker} instead of having everything {disfmarker} like we use a twenty - five millisecond or so analysis window , {vocalsound} typically , um , and that 's our time scale for features , but you could {disfmarker} {vocalsound} using this , um , basis function idea , you could have some basis functions which have a lot longer time scale and , um , some which have a lot shorter , and {vocalsound} so it would be like {pause} a set of multi - scale features . So he 's interested in , um {disfmarker} Th - this is {disfmarker} because it 's , um {disfmarker} there are these different parameters for the shape of these {vocalsound} basis functions , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there are a lot of different possible basis functions . And so he {disfmarker} {vocalsound} he actually does {vocalsound} an optimization procedure to choose an {disfmarker} {vocalsound} an optimal set of basis functions out of all the possible ones .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . H What does he do to choose those ?",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "The method he uses is kind of funny {disfmarker} is , {comment} {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} he starts with {disfmarker} he has a set of M of them . Um , he {disfmarker} and then {pause} he uses that to classify {disfmarker} I mean , he t he tries , um , {vocalsound} using {pause} just M minus one of them . So there are M possible subsets of this {vocalsound} length - M vector . He tries classifying , using each of the M {vocalsound} possible sub - vectors .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Whichever sub - vector , {vocalsound} um , works the {disfmarker} the best , I guess , he says {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the fe feature that didn't use was the most useless feature ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah . Gets thrown out . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "so we 'll throw it out and we 're gonna randomly select another feature {pause} from the set of possible basis functions .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm !",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So it 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So i so it 's actuall",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "it 's a little bit like a genetic algorithm or something in a way .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "Well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's much simpler .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "It 's like a greedy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "But it 's {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} uh , it 's {disfmarker} there 's a lot {disfmarker} number of things I like about it , let me just say .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Greedy .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "So , first thing , well , you 're absolutely right . I mean , {vocalsound} i i {nonvocalsound} in truth , {pause} both pieces of this are {disfmarker} have their analogies in stuff we already do . But it 's a different take {vocalsound} at how to approach it and potentially one that 's m maybe a bit more systematic than what we 've done , uh , and a b a bit more inspiration from {disfmarker} from auditory things . So it 's {disfmarker} so I think it 's a neat thing to try . The primary features , {vocalsound} um , are in fact {disfmarker} Yeah , essentially , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , you know , PLP or {disfmarker} or mel cepstrum , or something like that . You 've {disfmarker} you 've got some , {vocalsound} uh , compression . We always have some compression . We always have some {disfmarker} you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the kind of filter bank with a kind of {vocalsound} {vocalsound} quasi - log scaling . Um , {vocalsound} if you put in {disfmarker} if you also include the RASTA in it {disfmarker} i RASTA {disfmarker} the filtering being done in the log domain {vocalsound} has an AGC - like , uh , characteristic , which , you know , people typi typically put in these kind of , {vocalsound} uh , {pause} um , {vocalsound} uh , auditory front - ends . So it 's very , very similar , uh , but it 's not exactly the same . Um , I would agree that the second one is {disfmarker} is somewhat more different but , {vocalsound} um , it 's mainly different in that the things that we have been doing like that have been {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , had a different kind of motivation and have ended up with different kinds of constraints . So , for instance , if you look at the LDA RASTA stuff , {vocalsound} you know , basically what they do is they {disfmarker} they look at the different eigenvectors out of the LDA and they form filters out of it . Right ? And those {pause} filters have different , uh , kinds of temporal extents and temporal characteristics . And so in fact they 're multi - scale . But , they 're not sort of systematically multi - scale , like \" let 's start here and go to there , and go to there , and go to there \" , and so forth . It 's more like , {vocalsound} you run it on this , you do discriminant analysis , and you find out what 's helpful . ",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "I it 's multi - scale because you use several of these in parallel ,",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They use several of them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "is that right ? Of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I mean , you don't have to but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , uh , Hynek has . Um , but it 's also , uh {disfmarker} Hyn - when Hynek 's had people do this kind of LDA analysis , they 've done it on frequency direction and they 've done it on the time direction . I think he may have had people sometimes doing it on both simultaneously {disfmarker} some two - D {disfmarker} and that would be the closest to these Gabor function kind of things . Uh , but I don't think they 've done that much of that . And , uh , the other thing that 's interesting {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the feature selection thing , it 's a simple method , but I kinda like it . Um , {vocalsound} there 's a {disfmarker} {pause} a old , old method for feature selection . I mean , {pause} eh , uh , I remember people referring to it as old when I was playing with it twenty years ago , so I know it 's pretty old , uh , called Stepwise Linear Discriminant Analysis in which you {disfmarker} which {disfmarker} I think it 's used in social sciences a lot . So , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you pick the best feature . And then {vocalsound} you take {disfmarker} y you find the next feature that 's the best in combination with it . And then so on and so on . And what {disfmarker} what Michael 's describing seems to me much , much better , because the problem with the stepwise discriminant analysis is that you don't know that {disfmarker} you know , if you 've {vocalsound} picked the right set of features . Just because something 's a good feature doesn't mean that you should be adding it . So , {vocalsound} um , {pause} uh , here at least you 're starting off with all of them , and you 're {vocalsound} throwing out useless features . I think that 's {disfmarker} that seems , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that seems like a lot better idea . Uh , you 're always looking at things in combination with other features . Um , so the only thing is , of course , there 's this {disfmarker} this artificial question of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} exactly how you {disfmarker} how you a how you assess it and if {disfmarker} if your order had been different in throwing them out . I mean , it still isn't necessarily really optimal , but it seems like a pretty good heuristic . So I th I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's kinda neat stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , uh , the thing that I wanted to {disfmarker} to add to it also was to have us use this in a multi - stream way .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Um , so {disfmarker} so that , um , {vocalsound} when you come up with these different things , {vocalsound} and these different functions , {vocalsound} you don't necessarily just put them all into one huge vector , but perhaps {vocalsound} you {vocalsound} have some of them in one stream and some of them in another stream , and so forth . And , um , um , {comment} um {disfmarker} And we 've also talked a little bit about , uh , {vocalsound} uh , Shihab Shamma 's stuff , in which {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} the way you look at it is that there 's these different mappings and some of them emphasize , uh , upward moving , {vocalsound} uh , energy and fre and frequency . And some are emphasizing downward and {vocalsound} fast things and slow things and {disfmarker} and {pause} so forth . So . So there 's a bunch of stuff to look at . But , uh , I think we 're sorta gonna start off with what {vocalsound} he , uh , came here with and branch out {disfmarker} {vocalsound} branch out from there . And his advisor is here , too , {vocalsound} at the same time . So , he 'll be another {pause} interesting source of {pause} wisdom .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "As {disfmarker} as we were talking about this I was thinking , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} whether there 's a relationship between {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} between Michael 's approach to , uh , some {disfmarker} some sort of optimal brain damage or optimal brain surgeon on the neural nets .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "So , like , if we have , um {disfmarker} we have our {disfmarker} we have our RASTA features and {disfmarker} and presumably the neural nets are {disfmarker} are learning some sort of a nonlinear mapping , {vocalsound} uh , from the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the features {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to this {disfmarker} this probability posterior space .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? And , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} and each of the hidden units is learning some sort of {disfmarker} some sort of {disfmarker} some sort of pattern . Right ? And it could be , like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like these , um {disfmarker} these auditory patterns that Michael {pause} is looking at . And then when you 're looking at the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , uh , {pause} um , {vocalsound} the best features , {vocalsound} you know , you can take out {disfmarker} you can do the {disfmarker} do this , uh , brain surgery by taking out , {vocalsound} um , hidden units that don't really help at all .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Or the {disfmarker} or features .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "And this is k sorta like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , y actually , you make me think a {disfmarker} a very important point here is that , um , {vocalsound} if we a again try to look at how is this different from what we 're already doing , {vocalsound} uh , there 's a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a nasty argument that could be made th that it 's {disfmarker} it 's not different at {disfmarker} at all , because , uh {disfmarker} if you ignore the {disfmarker} the selection part because we are going into a {disfmarker} a very powerful , {vocalsound} uh , nonlinearity that , uh , in fact is combining over time and frequency , and is coming up with its own {disfmarker} you know , better than Gabor functions its , you know , neural net functions ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "its {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} whatever it finds to be best .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
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"content": "",
"speaker": "Grad C"
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{
"content": "Um , so you could argue that in fact it {disfmarker} But I {disfmarker} I don't actually believe that argument because I know that , um , {vocalsound} you can , uh {disfmarker} computing features is useful , even though {pause} in principle you haven't {pause} {vocalsound} added anything {disfmarker} in fact , you subtracted something , from the original waveform {disfmarker} You know , uh , if you 've {disfmarker} you 've processed it in some way you 've typically lost something {disfmarker} some information . And so , {vocalsound} you 've lost information and yet it does better with {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with features than it does with the waveform . So , uh , I {disfmarker} I know that i sometimes it 's useful to {disfmarker} {pause} to constrain things . So that 's {vocalsound} why it really seems like the constraint {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in all this stuff it 's the constraints that are actually what matters . Because if it wasn't {pause} the constraints that mattered , then we would 've completely solved this problem long ago , because long ago we already knew how to put waveforms into powerful statistical mechanisms . So .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , if we had infinite processing power and {pause} data , {comment} I guess , using the waveform could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah Uh , then it would work . Yeah , I agree . Yeah . There 's the problem .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "So , that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then it would work . But {disfmarker} but , I mean , i it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} With finite {pause} of those things {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we {disfmarker} we have done experiments where we literally have put waveforms in and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and , uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "we kept the number of parameters the same and so forth , and it used a lot of training data . And it {disfmarker} and it {disfmarker} it , uh {disfmarker} not infinite but a lot , and then compared to the number parameters {disfmarker} and it {disfmarker} it , uh {disfmarker} it just doesn't do nearly as well . So , anyway the point is that you want to suppress {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD D"
},
{
"content": "it 's not just having the maximum information , you want to suppress , {vocalsound} uh , the aspects of the input signal that are not helpful for {disfmarker} for the discrimination you 're trying to make . So . So maybe just briefly , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Well , that sort of segues into {pause} what {disfmarker} what I 'm doing .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} so , uh , the big picture is k um , {vocalsound} come up with a set of , {vocalsound} uh , intermediate categories , then build intermediate category classifiers , then do recognition , and , um , improve speech recognition in that way . Um , so right now I 'm in {disfmarker} in the phase where {vocalsound} I 'm looking at {disfmarker} at , um , deciding on a initial set of intermediate categories . And {vocalsound} I 'm looking {vocalsound} for data data - driven {pause} methods that can help me find , {vocalsound} um , a set of intermediate categories {vocalsound} of speech that , uh , will help me to discriminate {pause} later down the line . And one of the ideas , {vocalsound} um , that was to take a {disfmarker} take a neural net {disfmarker} train {disfmarker} train an ordinary neural net {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , to learn the posterior probabilities of phones . And so , um , at the end of the day you have this neural net and it has hidden {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hidden units . And each of these hidden units is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , is learning some sort of pattern . And so , um , what {disfmarker} what are these patterns ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Um , and I 'm gonna to try to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to look at those patterns {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to see , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} from those patterns {disfmarker} uh , presumably those are important patterns for discriminating between phone classes . And maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe some , uh , intermediate categories can come from {vocalsound} just looking at the patterns of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , that the neural net learns .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Be - before you get on the next part l let me just point out that s there 's {disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker} a pretty nice {comment} {vocalsound} relationship between what you 're talking about doing and what you 're talking about doing there . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "So , {vocalsound} it seems to me that , you know , if you take away the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} {pause} the difference of this {pause} primary features , {vocalsound} and , say , you use {disfmarker} as we had talked about maybe doing {disfmarker} you use P - RASTA - PLP or something for the {disfmarker} the primary features , {vocalsound} um , then this feature discovery , {pause} uh , uh , thing {vocalsound} is just what he 's talking about doing , too , except that he 's talking about doing them in order to discover {pause} intermediate categories that correspond {vocalsound} to these {disfmarker} uh , uh , what these sub - features are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are showing you . And , um , {vocalsound} the other difference is that , um , {vocalsound} he 's doing this in a {disfmarker} in a multi - band setting , which means that he 's constraining himself {vocalsound} to look across time in some f relatively limited , uh , uh , spectral extent . Right ? And whereas in {disfmarker} in this case you 're saying \" let 's just do it unconstrained \" . So they 're {disfmarker} they 're really pretty related and maybe they 'll be {disfmarker} at some point where we 'll see the {disfmarker} the connections a little better and {vocalsound} connect them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Um . Yeah , so {disfmarker} so that 's the {disfmarker} that 's the first part {disfmarker} uh , one {disfmarker} one of the ideas to get at some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} some patterns of intermediate categories . Um , {vocalsound} the other one {pause} was , {vocalsound} um , to , {vocalsound} uh , come up with a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a model {disfmarker} {comment} um , a graphical model , {vocalsound} that treats {pause} the intermediate categories {vocalsound} as hidden {disfmarker} hidden variables , latent variables , that we don't know anything about , but that through , {vocalsound} um , s statistical training and the EM algorithm , {vocalsound} um , at the end of the day , {vocalsound} we have , um {disfmarker} we have learned something about these {disfmarker} these latent , um {disfmarker} latent variables which happen to correspond to {vocalsound} intermediate categories . Um . {vocalsound} {nonvocalsound} Yeah , and so those are the {disfmarker} the two directions that I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm looking into right now . And , uh , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah . I guess that 's {disfmarker} that 's it .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK . Should we do our digits and get ou get our treats ?",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oh , tea time ?",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's kind of like , you know , the little rats with the little thing dropping down to them .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "That 's ri",
"speaker": "PhD A"
},
{
"content": "We do the digits and then we get our treats .",
"speaker": "Professor B"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Grad E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD A"
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"content": "headphones that aren't so uncomfortable .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} Well , this should be off the record ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We 're not recording yet , are we ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No , uh , that {disfmarker} that wasn't recorded .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "No . Um , I don't think they 're designed to be over your ears .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know . It just {disfmarker} it really hurts . It gives you a headache , like if you {disfmarker} On your temple {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Temple squeezers .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But I definitely {pause} haven't figured it out .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um , Meeting Recorder meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I guess I have to d stop doing this sigh of contentment , you know , after sipping cappuccino or something .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , with the {disfmarker} We kno I know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Sip , sigh . \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We know exactly how much you have left in your cup .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I was just noticing a big s",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So are we recording now ? Is this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! We 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're live . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , {vocalsound} what were we gonna talk about again ? So we said {disfmarker} we said data collection , which we 're doing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Were we gonna do digits ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Do we do th do you go around the room {pause} and do names or anything ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's a good idea .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "u usually we 've done that and also we 've s done digits as well , but I forgot to print any out . So . Besides with this big a group ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You can write them on the board , if you want .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No . I it 'd be even better with this big {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "it would take too much time .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Which way is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it takes too much time .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mari ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's not that long .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Y I think your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your thing {nonvocalsound} may be pointing in a funny direction . Sort of it 's {disfmarker} it helps if it points sort of upwards .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Whoops .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sort of it {disfmarker} you know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Would it {disfmarker} m",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "w u",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So that thing {disfmarker} the little {disfmarker} th that part should be pointing upwards .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Oh , this thing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "That 's it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise you just get a heartbeats .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "It 's kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , the element , yeah , n should be as close to you {disfmarker} your mouth as possible .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . That kind of thing is good .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "This w Alright .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "How 's that working ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . It 's a {disfmarker} It 's working .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So what we had {pause} was that we were gonna talk about data collection , and , um , uh , you {disfmarker} you put up there data format ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and other tasks during data collection ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I think the goal {disfmarker} the goal was what can we do {disfmarker} how can you do the data collection differently to get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "what can you add to it to get , um , some information that would be helpful for the user - interface design ? Like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , especially for querying .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Especially for querying . So , getting people to do queries afterwards , getting people to do summaries afterwards . Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , one thing that came up in the morning {disfmarker} in the morning was the , um , i uh , if he {disfmarker} I , um {disfmarker} if he has {disfmarker} s I {disfmarker} I don't remember , Mister Lan - Doctor Landry ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Landay . James .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "La - Landay ? So he has , um , these , uh , um , tsk {comment} note - taking things ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "then that would sort of be a summary which you wouldn't have to solicit . y if {disfmarker} if we were able to {disfmarker} to do that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , if {disfmarker} if you actually take notes as a summary as opposed to n take notes in the sense of taking advantage of the time - stamps . So action item or uh , reminder to send this to so - and - so , blah - blah - blah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So that wouldn't be a summary . That would just be {disfmarker} that would b relate to the query side .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But if we had the CrossPads , we could ask people , you know , if {disfmarker} if something comes up {vocalsound} write it down and mark it {vocalsound} {pause} somehow ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right . I mean , we {disfmarker} because you 'd have several people with these pads , you could collect different things .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , cuz I tend to take notes which are summaries . And so , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the down - side to that is that he sort of indicated that the , uh , quality of {vocalsound} the handwriting recognition was quite poor .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But that 's alright . I don't think there 'd be so many that you couldn't have someone clean it up",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "pretty easily .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We also could come up with some code for things that people want to do so that {disfmarker} for frequent things .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And the other things , people can write whatever they want . I mean , it 's to some extent , uh , for his benefit . So , if that {disfmarker} you know , if {disfmarker} if we just keep it simple then maybe it 's still useful .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I just realized we skipped the part that we were saying we were gonna do at the front where we each said who we were .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The roll call .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right . I thought you did that on purpose .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Roll call .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But anyway , shall we do the roll call ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , not a No , I just {disfmarker} My mind went elsewhere . So , uh , yeah , I 'm Morgan , and where am I ? I 'm on channel three .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm Adam Janin on channel A .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm Jane Edwards , I think on channel B .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm Dan Ellis .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Eric on channel nine .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Liz , on channel one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mari on channel zero .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Katrin on channel two .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Should we have used pseudo - names ? Should we do it a second time with pseudo No . {vocalsound} No .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm Rocky Raccoon {vocalsound} on channel {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Let me , uh , turn that off .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , uh , do you want to do the P D As and the {pause} P Z",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh . PZM nearest , nearest , next nearest . Next one .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Next nearest .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Furthest .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Far .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "PDM - right , PZA - right {disfmarker} PDA - right , PDA - left .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and eventually once this room gets a little more organized , the Jimlets {comment} will be mounted under the table , and these guys will be permanently mounted somehow . You know , probably with double - sided tape , but {disfmarker} So . You {disfmarker} So we won't have to go through that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I have a question on protocol in these meetings , which is when you say \" Jimlet \" and the person listening won't know what that is , sh shou How {disfmarker} how do we get {disfmarker} Is that important information ? You know , the Jimlet {disfmarker} I mean , the box that contains the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , suppose we broaden out and go to a range of meetings besides just these internal ones . There 's gonna be lots of things that any group of people who know each other have in column {disfmarker} common {comment} that we will not know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So the there will be jargon that we he There 'll be transcription errors .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we {disfmarker} we were originally gonna do this with VLSI design , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and the reason we didn't go straight to that was because immediately ninety percent of what we heard would be {vocalsound} jargon to {disfmarker} to us . So .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , that was just one of the reasons . But , yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's right . There were others of course . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , so we were on the data collection {pause} {comment} and the summary issue .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right . We can go back .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , uh , u u So , actually there 's kind of three issues . There 's the CrossPad issue . Should we do it and , if so , what 'll we have them do ? Um , do we have s people write summaries ? Everybody or one person ? And then , do we ask people for how they would query things ? Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} there 're sub - problems in that , in that where {disfmarker} or when do you actually ask them about that ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that was {disfmarker} One thing I was thinking about was is that Dan said earlier that , you know , maybe two weeks later , which is when you would want to query these things , you might ask them then .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But there 's a problem with that in that if {pause} you 're not {disfmarker} If you don't have an interactive system , it 's gonna be hard to go beyond sort of the first level of question .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right . And furth id explore the data further .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} there 's another problem",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "which is , um , we certainly do want to branch out beyond , uh , uh , recording meetings about Meeting Recorder . And , uh , once we get out beyond our little group , the people 's motivation factor , uh , reduces enormously . And if we start giving them a bunch of other things to do , how {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we did n you know another meeting here for another group and {disfmarker} and , uh , they were fine with it . But if we 'd said , \" OK , now all eight of you have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} have to come up with , uh , the summar \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I asked them to and none of them did .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "t See ? There we go .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I {disfmarker} I asked them to send me ideas for queries after the meeting",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "They {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and no one ever did .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I didn't follow up either .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So I didn't track them down and say \" please do th do it now \" . But , uh , no one spontaneously provided anything .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I I 'm worried that if you did {disfmarker} even if you did push them into it , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it might be semi - random ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "uh , as opposed to what you 'd really want to know if you were gonna use this thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I just don't know how else to generate the queries other than getting an expert to actually listen to the meeting and say \" that 's important , that might be a query \" .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Tsk . Well , there is this other thing which y which you were alluding to earlier , which is , um , there are certain key words like , you know , \" action item \" and things like that , which could be used in , uh , t to some degree finding the structure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Although {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and I also , um , was thinking , with reference to the n uh , note - taking , the advantage there is that you get structure without the person having to do something artificial later . And the fir third thing I wanted to say is the summaries afterwards , um , I think they should be recorded instead of written because I think that , um , it would take so long for people to write that I think you wouldn't get as good a summary .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "How about this idea ? That normally at most meetings somebody is delegated to be a note - taker .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , good . Good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} So why don't we just use the notes that somebody takes ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that gives you a summary but it doesn't really {disfmarker} How do you generate queries from that ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well . But , I mean , maybe a summary is one of the things we 'd want from the output of the system .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? I mean , they 're something . It 's a {disfmarker} a kind of output you 'd like .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker} And so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , James and I were talking about this during one of the breaks . And the problem with that is , I 'm definitely going to do something with information retrieval even if it 's sort of not full full - bore what I 'm gonna do for my thesis .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm gonna do something . I 'm not gonna do anything with summarization . And so if someone wants to do that , that 's fine , but it 's not gonna be me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think that we {disfmarker} I mean , the {disfmarker} the f the core thing is that you know once we get some of these issues nailed down , we need to do a bunch of recordings",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and send them off to IBM and get a bunch of transcriptions even if they 're slightly flawed",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "or need some other {disfmarker} And then we 'll have some data there .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And then , i i we can start l looking and thinking , what do we want to know about these things and {disfmarker} at the very least .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I actually want to say something about the note pad . So , if you could sense just when people are writing , and you tell them not to doodle , or try not to {pause} be using that for other purposes , {comment} and each person has a note pad . They just get it when they come in the room . Then you c you can just have a fff {comment} plot of wh you know , who 's writing when .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's all you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Activity . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And , you can also have notes of the meeting . But I bet that 's {disfmarker} that will allow you to go into the {disfmarker} sort of the hot places where people are writing things down .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you can tell when you 're in a meeting when everybody stops to write something down that something was just said .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It may not be kept in the later summary , but at that point in time is was something that was important .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And that wouldn't take any extra {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's a nice idea .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Or someone could just pu you could just put your hand on the pad",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "and go like that if you want to . It 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good idea but that doesn't {disfmarker} Maybe I 'm missing something , but that doesn't get to the question of how we come up with queries , right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , what it does {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , then you can go to the points where the {disfmarker} you could actually go to those points in time and find out what they were talking about . And you r",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , what it does is provide a different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it 's an interesting thing . I don't think it gets at the {disfmarker} the queries per - se , but it does give us an information fusion sort of thing that , you know , you wanna i say \" what were the hot - points of the meeting ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's what I mean , is that I think it gets at something interesting but if we were asking the question , which I thought we were , of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of , um , \" how do we figure out what 's the nature of the queries that people are gonna want to ask of such a system ? \" , knowing what 's important doesn't tell you what people are going to be asking .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But I bet it 's a good {pause} superset of it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Does it ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , see , there are th",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I think you could say they 're gonna ask about , uh , when {disfmarker} uh , when did so - and - so s talk about blah . And at least that gives you the word {pause} that they might run a query on .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "At least you can find the locations where there are maybe keywords",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , i this would tell you what the hit is ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "not what the query is .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 'll tell you the hit but not the query .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But I think {disfmarker} I think thinking about queries is a little bit dangerous right now .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so you could {disfmarker} you can generate a query from the hits ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We don't even know what {disfmarker} I mean , if you want to find out what any user will use , that might be true for one domain and one user ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but I mean a different domain and a different user {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we 're just looking for a place to start with that",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "because , you know , th what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what James is gonna be doing is looking at the user - interface and he 's looking at the query in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} i We {disfmarker} we have five hours of pilot data of the other stuff but we have zero hours of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of queries . So he 's just sort of going \" where {disfmarker} where do I {disfmarker} where do I start ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "w Well , th you could do {disfmarker} I think the summaries actually may help get us there ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "for a couple reasons . One , if you have a summary {disfmarker} if you have a bunch of summaries , you can do a word frequency count and see what words come up in different types of meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So \" action item \" is gonna come up whether it 's a VLSI meeting , or speech meeting , or whatever . So words that come up in different types of meetings may be something that you would want to query about .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um , the second thing you could possibly do with it is just run a little pilot experiment with somebody saying \" here 's a summary of a meeting , what questions might you want to ask about it to go back ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that 's difficult because then they 're not gonna ask the questions that are in the summary .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But , I think it would give {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's one possi one possible scenario , though , is you have the summary ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and you want to ask questions to get more detail .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "th Yeah , I think it has to be a participant . Well , it doesn't have to be . OK . So that {disfmarker} that is another use of Meeting Recorder that we haven't really talked about , which is for someone else , as opposed to as a {pause} remembrance agent , which is what had been my primary thought in the information retrieval part of it would be . But , uh , I guess if you had a meeting participant , they could use the summary to refresh themselves about the meeting and then make up queries . But it 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how to do it if {disfmarker} until you have a system .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The summary is actually gonna drive the queries then .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , your research is going to be very circular .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker} that 's what I was saying .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But th there is this , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} There is this class of queries , which are the things that you didn't realize were important at the time but some in retrospect you think \" oh , hang on , didn't we talk about that ? \" And it 's something that didn't appear in the summary but you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And that 's kind of what this kind of , uh , complete data capture is kind of nicest for .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Cuz it 's the things that you wouldn't have bothered to make an effort to record but they get recorded . So , I mean {disfmarker} And th there 's no way of generating those , u u until we just {disfmarker} until they actually occur .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But you could always post - hoc label them .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You know , it 's like {disfmarker} Right , right . Exactly .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , it 's difficult to sort of say \" and if I was gonna ask four questions about this , what would they be ? \" Those aren't the kind of things that come up .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But at least it would get us started .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I also think that w if {disfmarker} if you can use the summaries as an indication of the important points of the {disfmarker} of the meeting , then you might get something like {disfmarker} y So if th if the obscure item you want to know more about was some form of data collection , you know , maybe the summary would say , you know , \" we discussed types of na data collection \" . And , you know {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and maybe you could get to it by that . If you {disfmarker} if you had the {disfmarker} the larger structure of the {disfmarker} of the discourse , then if you can categorize what it is that you 're looking for with reference to those l those larger headings , then you can find it even if you don't have a direct route to that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Although it seems like that 's , um , a high burden on the note - taker .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That 's a pretty fine grain that the note - taker will have to take .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Maybe Landay can put a student in to be a note - taker .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I th No . I think you got to have somebody who knows the pro knows the topic or {disfmarker} you know , whose job it is delegated to be the note - taker .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Somebody who 's part of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean , but someone who can come sit in on the meetings and then takes the notes with them that the real note - taker {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And that way that one student has , you know , a rough idea of what was going on , and they can use it for their research . I mean , this isn't really necessarily what you would do in a real system ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because that that 's a lot of trouble",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and maybe it 's not the best way to do it . But if he has some students that want to study that then they should sort of get to know the people and attend those meetings ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and get the notes from the note - taker or something .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think that 's a little bit of a problem . Their sort of note - taking application stuff they 've been doing for the last couple of years , and I don't think anyone is still working on it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think they 're done . Um , so I 'm not sure that they have anyone currently working on notes . So what we 'd have to interest someone in is the combination of note and speech .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And so the question is \" is there such a person ? \" And I think right now , the answer is \" no \" .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I 've b been thinking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We 'll just have to see .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 've been thinking about it a little bit here {disfmarker} about the {disfmarker} uh , th this , e um {disfmarker} I think that the {disfmarker} now I 'm thinking that the summary {disfmarker} a summary , uh , is actually a reasonable , uh , bootstrap into this {disfmarker} into what we 'd like to get at . It 's {disfmarker} it 's not ideal , but we {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we have to get started someplace . So I was {disfmarker} I was just thinking about , um , suppose we wanted to get {disfmarker} w We have this collection of meeting . We have five hours of stuff . Uh , we get that transcribed . So now we have five hours of meetings and , uh , you ask me , uh , uh , \" Morgan , what d you know , what kind of questions do you want to ask ? \" Uh , I wouldn't have any idea what kind of questions I want to ask . I 'd have to get started someplace . So in fact if I looked at summary of it , I 'd go \" oh , yeah , I was in that meeting , I remember that , um , what was the part that {disfmarker} \" And {disfmarker} and th I think that might then help me to think of things {disfmarker} even things that aren't listed in the summary , but just as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a refresh of what the general thing was going on in the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think it serves two purpo purposes . One , as sort of a refresh to help bootstrap queries ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but also , I mean , maybe we do want to generate summaries . And then it 's {disfmarker} you know , it 's kind of a key .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . That 's true too .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , absolutely . Then you want to have it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So how does the summary get generated ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , i i {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not against the idea of a summary ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "By hand .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but I wanted to think carefully about who 's generating it",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or , d o",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and how {disfmarker} because the summary will drive the queries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What I {disfmarker} I think , you know , in most meetings ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "this one being {pause} different , but in most meetings that I attend , there 's somebody t explicitly taking notes , frequently on a laptop {disfmarker} Um , you can just make it be on a laptop ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so then yo you 're dealing with ASCII and not somebody {disfmarker} you don't have to go through handwriting recognition . Um , and then they post - edit it into , uh , a summary and they email it out for minutes . I mean , that happens in most meetings .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I I {disfmarker} I think that , um , there 's {disfmarker} we 're using \" summary \" in two different ways . So what you just described I would describe as \" minutes \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Minutes .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And what I originally thought was , um , if you asked someone \" what was the meeting about ? \"",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And then they would say \" well , we talked about this and then we talked about that , and so - and - so talked about {disfmarker} \" And then you 'd have , like {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} e My thought was to have multiple people summarize it , on recording rather than writing because writing takes time and you get irrelevant other things that u take time , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Whereas if you just say it immediately after the meeting , you know , a two - minute summary of what the meeting was about , I think you would get , uh , with mult See , I {disfmarker} I also worry about having a single note - taker because that 's just one person 's perception . And , um , you know , it {disfmarker} it 's releva it 's relative to what you 're focus was on that meeting ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and people have different {comment} major topics that they 're interested in .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "A",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , my proposal would be that it may be worth considering both of those types , you know , the note - taking and a spontaneous oral summary afterwards ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "no longer than two minutes ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Adam , you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "from multiple people .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "you can correct me on this ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} but , uh , my impression was that , uh , pretty much , uh , true that the meetings here , nobody sits with a w uh , with a laptop",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Never .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Never . I 've never seen it at ICSI . Does anyone {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Dan ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , Dan is the one who {disfmarker} who most frequently would take notes ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 've d When we {disfmarker} when we have other meetings . When I have meetings on the European projects , we have someone taking notes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but those are bigger deal things .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "In fact , I often do it .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Where you 've got fifteen peo",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , most {disfmarker} th this is one of the larger meetings . Most of the meetings we have are four or five people",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's true {disfmarker} are four or five people .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and you 're not {disfmarker} you don't have somebody sitting and taking minutes for it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "You just {vocalsound} get together and talk about where you are .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I think it depends on whether it 's a business meeting or a technical discussion .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Culture .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And I agree ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "technical discussions you don't usually have somebody taking notes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The IRAM meeting , they {disfmarker} they take notes every {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Do they ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "There 's uh a person with a laptop {pause} at each meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "How many people are those meetings ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "There are more . I mean , there are ten - ish .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Y you should also have a record of what 's on the board .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They 're very sparse .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I find it very {pause} hard to reconstruct what 's going on . I {disfmarker} I don't know how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is something early in the project we talked a lot about .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how , but for instance , I mean , the outline is sort of up here and that 's what people are seeing . And if you have a {disfmarker} Or you shou could tell people not to {disfmarker} to use the boards . But there 's sort of this missing information otherwise .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We sh we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I agree , but {disfmarker} but you {disfmarker} you just {disfmarker} you g end up with video ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and instrumented rooms . And {pause} that 's a different project , I think .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "f u I think for this data capture , it would be nice to have a digital camera",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , y",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "just to take pictures of who 's there , where the microphones are , and then we could also put in what 's on the board . You know , like three or four snaps for every {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . People who were never at the meeting will have a very hard time understanding it otherwise .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "for every meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's wonderful .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "But don't you think that 's {disfmarker} Don't you think that {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Even people who were at the meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , no . I mean , I {disfmarker} I just think {disfmarker} I mean , I think that right now we don't make a record of where people are sitting on the tables .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} at some point that might be awfully useful .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right . But I think adding photographs adds a whole nother level of problems .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We n uh ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's just a digital record .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker} not as part of the {disfmarker} not as a part of the data that you have to recover .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't mean that you model it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} just in terms of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "We should just {disfmarker} Like archiving it or storing it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I agree . I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's i because discourse is about things ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Because someone {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and then you have the things that are about , and it 's recoverable .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "someone later might be able to take these and say \" OK , they , you know {disfmarker} at least these are the people who were there",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and here 's sort of what they started talking about , and {disfmarker} \" and just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yes . And it 's so simple .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Li",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Like you said , three snapshots",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "uh , L L L",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Liz , you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Just to archive .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "u uh , Liz , you sa you sat in on the , uh , {vocalsound} subcommittee meeting or whatever {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "uh , on {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} on the subcommittee meeting for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} at the , uh {disfmarker} that workshop we were at that , uh , uh , Mark Liberman was {disfmarker} was having . So I {disfmarker} I wasn't there . They {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they h must have had some discussion about video and the visual aspect , and all that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Big , big interest . Huge .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it {disfmarker} personally , I don't {disfmarker} I would never want to deal with it . But I 'm just saying first of all there 's a whole bunch of fusion issues that DARPA 's interested in .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You know , fusing gesture and face recognition ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "even lip movement and things like that , for this kind of task . And there 's also I think a personal interest on the part of Mark Liberman in this kind of {disfmarker} in storing these images in any data we collect",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so that later we can do other things with it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker} so to address what {disfmarker} what Adam 's saying ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think you {disfmarker} uh , that the key thing there is that this is a description of database collection effort that they 're talking about doing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And if the database exists and includes some visual information that doesn't mean that an individual researcher is going to make any use of it . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But that {disfmarker} it 's gonna be a lot of effort on our part to create it , and store it , and get all the standards , and to do anything with it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we 're gonna {disfmarker} So we 're gonna do what we 're gonna do , whatever 's reasonable for us .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think even doing something very crude {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But having {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Like I know with ATIS , we just had a tape recorder running all the time .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And later on it turned out it was really good that you had a tape recorder of what was happening , even though you w you just got the speech from the machine . So if you can find some really , you know , low , uh , perplexity ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Low fidelity .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "yeah , {comment} way of {disfmarker} of doing that , I think it would be worthwhile .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I agree . And if it 's simple as {disfmarker} I mean , as simple as just the digital {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise you 'd {disfmarker} you lose it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , minimally , I mean , what {disfmarker} what Dan is referring to at least having some representation of the p the spatial position of the people ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "cuz we are interested in some spatial processing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "so , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , once the room is a little more fixed that 's a little easier",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "cuz you 'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , the wireless .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Also CMU has been doing this and they were the most vocal at this meeting , Alex Waibel 's group . And they have {pause} said , I talked to the student who had done this , {comment} that with two fairly inexpensive cameras they {disfmarker} they just recorded all the time",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and were able to get all the information from {disfmarker} or maybe it was three {disfmarker} from all the parts of the room . So I think we would be {disfmarker} we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it {comment} at all .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't disagree . I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database . The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So that there 's going to be another group of people who are gonna say \" I won't participate \" .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , she 's not {pause} making {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Or you could put a paper bag over everybody 's head",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and not look at each other and not look at boards , and just all be sitting {vocalsound} talking .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That would be an interes {vocalsound} Bu",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Great idea .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , there 's {disfmarker} that 'd be the {disfmarker} the parallel , yeah . But I think y she 's {disfmarker} we 're just proposing {pause} a minimal preservation of things on boards ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "sp spatial organization {disfmarker} And you could anonymize the faces for that matter . You know , I mean , this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We can talk about the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "To set it up and then anonymize it ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's just one snapshot .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "No , it wa n not , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , no .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We 're not talking about a movie .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Not for {disfmarker} not for CMU .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We 're talking about a snapshot .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "They have a pretty crude set - up . And they had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "they just turn on these cameras . They were {disfmarker} they were not moving or anything .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't find it ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And stored it on analog media .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And they {disfmarker} they didn't actually align it or anything . They just {disfmarker} they have it , though .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , it 's worth considering . Maybe we don't want to {disfmarker} spend that much more time discussing it ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Did they store it digitally , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm - mm . I think they just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or just put it on videotape ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think they just had the videotapes with a c you know , a counter or something . Um ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Well , I think for {disfmarker} I mean , for our purposes we probably will d",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "we {disfmarker} we might try that some and {disfmarker} and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get other value out of , I think .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Th The thing is , if it 's easy to collect it {disfmarker} it th then I think it 's a wise thing to do because once it 's gone it 's gone . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I 'm just {disfmarker} The community {disfmarker} If LDC collects this data {disfmarker} u I mean , and L - if Mark Liberman is a strong proponent of how they collect it and what they collect , there will probably be some video data in there .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it . The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are {disfmarker} actually could be , um , easier {disfmarker} made easier if you had {pause} the video .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "As you say , if they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and {disfmarker} and will include all that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "e",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm not worried about the cost of setting it up . I 'm worried about the cost of people looking at it . In other words , it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 'd be kind of silly to collect it all and not look at it at all . And so I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that we do have to do some picking and choosing of the stuff that we 're doing . But I {disfmarker} I am int I do think that we m minimally want {disfmarker} something {disfmarker} we might want to look at {disfmarker} at some {disfmarker} some , uh , subsets of that . Like for a meeting like this , at least , uh , take a Polaroid of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of the {disfmarker} of the boards ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Of the board .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Or at least make sure that the note - taker takes a sh you know , a snapshot of the board .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "a and know the position of the people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 'll make it a lot easier for meetings that are structured .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , otherwise later on if nobody wrote this stuff on the board down we 'd have a harder time summarizing it or agreeing on a summary .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} And it {disfmarker} Especially since this is common knowledge . I mean , this is shared knowledge among all the participants , and it 's a shame to keep it off the recording .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , except in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "s",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "er , if we weren't recording this , this {disfmarker} this would get lost . Right ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't understand that point . I mean , I just think that the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "The point is that we 're not saving it anyway . Right ? In {disfmarker} in {pause} our real - life setting .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And you 're gonna send it out by email , too .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , that 's why {disfmarker} that 's why I 'm saying that I think the note - taking would be {disfmarker} I think in many {disfmarker} for many meetings there will be some sort of note - taking , in which case , that 's a useful thing to have {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , we {disfmarker} uh , we don't need to require it . Just like the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I think it would be great if we try to get a picture with every meeting . Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications . So .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way {disfmarker} what you were figuring on doing was {disfmarker} was {disfmarker} was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to {disfmarker} to everybody from {disfmarker} from today ? OK . So . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so the question {comment} that {disfmarker} that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during {disfmarker} during th during the collection .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Ow .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that . Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the {disfmarker} was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , before we leave the CrossPads and {disfmarker} and call it done .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , if I 'm collecting data then there is this question of do I use CrossPads ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I think that if we really seriously have me collect data and I can't use CrossPads , it 's probably less useful for you guys to go to the trouble of using it , um , unless you think that the CrossPads are gonna {disfmarker} n I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not sure what they 're gonna do . But {disfmarker} but having a small percentage of the data with it , I 'm not sure whether that 's useful or not . Maybe {disfmarker} maybe it 's no big deal .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we just do it and see what happens .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I guess the point was to try {disfmarker} again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for {disfmarker} for the UI stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So it 's sort of Landay supplying it so that Landay 's stuff can be easier to do .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Right now he 's g operating from zero ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Nothing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and so even if we didn't get it done from UW , it seems like that would {disfmarker} could still {disfmarker} You shou",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , at least try it .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think it 'd be useful to have a small amount of it just as a proof of concept .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "You know , what you can do with things .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and they seem to {pause} not be able to give enough of them away , so we could probably get more as well .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But not {disfmarker} not to rely on them for {pause} basic modeling .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's true . So if it {disfmarker} if it seems to be really useful to you guys , we could probably get a donation to me .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm not sure . I think it it {disfmarker} it will again depend on Landay , and if he has a student who 's interested , and how much infrastructure we 'll need . I mean , if it 's easy , we can just do it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , but if it requires a lot of our time , we probably won't do it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I guess a lot of the stuff we 're doing now really is pilot in one sense or another .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , we have to sort of figure out what we 're gonna do .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And so we try it out and see how it works .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I just wouldn't base any of the modeling on having those .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . I ag I think I agree with that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I think , though , the importance marking is a {pause} good idea , though . That if {disfmarker} if people have something in front of them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 'd be sort of cool . I mean , it would {disfmarker} Yeah . That w shouldn't be hard for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Do it on pilots or laptops or something . OK , if something 's important everyone clap .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . So CrossPads , we 're just gonna try it and see what happens .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , I think that 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "The note - taking {disfmarker} So , I {disfmarker} I think that this is gonna be useful . So if we record data I will definitely ask for it . So , I j I think we should just say this is not {disfmarker} we don't want to put any extra burden on people , but if they happen to generate minutes , could {disfmarker} could they send it to us ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh , OK . That 's fine . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . What I was gonna say is that I don't want to ask people to do something they wouldn't normally do in a meeting . It 's ver I just want to keep away from the artificiality .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But I think it {pause} definitely if they exist . And then Jane 's idea of summarization afterward I think is not a bad one . Um , picking out {disfmarker} basically to let you pick out keywords , um , and , uh , construct queries .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So who {disfmarker} who does this summarization ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'm thinking that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "People in the meeting .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "You know , just at {disfmarker} at the end of the meeting , before you go ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Without hearing each other though , probably .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "go around the table .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Or even just have one or two people stay behind .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ugh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "People with radio mikes can go into separate rooms and continue recording without hearing each other . That 's the nice thing .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , then you should try them a few weeks later",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "How fascinating .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} They have all these memory experiments about how little you actually retain",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And see {disfmarker} score them ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's right . Well , that 's the interesting thing , though .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and wasn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "If we do {disfmarker} if we collect four different summaries , you know , we 're gonna get all this weird data about how people perceive things differently .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's like {comment} this is not what we meant to research .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That could be very interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but again , like the CrossPads , I don't think I would base a lot of stuff on it ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Ru",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I d yeah , I don't know how you would do it , though .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because I think {disfmarker} I know when I see the {disfmarker} the clock coming near the end of the meeting , I 'm like inching towards the door .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Running to {disfmarker} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "fff !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "you 're probably not gonna get {pause} a lot of people wanting to do this .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Maybe e Is email easier ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I {disfmarker} when you first said do {disfmarker} do it , um , spoken , what I was thinking is , oh then people have to come up",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and you have to hook them up to the recorder . So , if they 're already here I think that 's good ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but if they 're not already here for {disfmarker} I 'd rather do email . I 'm much faster typing than anything else .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I 'd just try {disfmarker} Well , however the least intrusive and {disfmarker} and quickest way is , and th and closest to the meeting time too , cuz people will start to forget it as soon as they l leave .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that {disfmarker} I think doing it orally at the end of the meeting is the best time .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . At {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I just don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "because they 're kind of a captive audience . Once they leave ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "you know , forget it . But {disfmarker} but i",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , read the digits , do the summary .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right . But , uh , I don't think that they 'll necessarily {disfmarker} you 'll {disfmarker} you 'll get many people willing to stay .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But , you know , if you get even one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "w",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think it 's like the note - taking thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I would s Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} that y that you can't {disfmarker} certainly can't require it or people aren't gonna want to do this . But {disfmarker} but if there 's some cases where they will , then it would be helpful .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And I 'm also wondering , couldn't that be included in the data sample so that you could increase the num you know , the words that are , uh , recognized by a particular individual ? If you could include the person 's meeting stuff and also the person 's summary stuff , maybe that would be uh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's kind of nice .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "an ad addition to their database .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Under the same acoustic circumstance , cuz if they just walk next door with their set - up , nothing 's changed ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So I have a question about queries ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "God , that 's bugging me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "which is , um ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Can we turn that light off ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You turn {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} can we turn that just {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that let {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "The fl the fluorescent light is flickering .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh , let the record show the light is flickering .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there 's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it is {disfmarker} it is like {disfmarker} OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Very annoying .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "There you go . OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh , much better .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "For a little while I thought it was just that I was really tired .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's better .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "That and y {comment} Too much caffeine and really tired ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Too much caffeine .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but then I thought \" no , maybe that 's real \" .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I thought it was the projector for a moment . It was like , \" what 's going on ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "the question I had about queries was , um , so what we 're planning to do is have people look at the summaries and then generate queries ? Are {disfmarker} are we gonna try and o",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} we 've just been talking , how do we generate queries ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And so that was one suggestion .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "so , the question I had is is have we given any thought to how we would generate queries automatically given a summary ? I mean , I think that 's a whole research topic un unto itself ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so that it may not be a feasible thing . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Hello . Dan here .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "n",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Shouldn't Landay and his group be in charge of figuring out how to do this ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , this is an issue that goes a little bit beyond where {pause} we are right now .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They 're the expert",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mari ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Someone wants to know when you 're getting picked up . Is someone picking you up ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} what 's our schedule ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And you and I need to Oh , oh . You already did the Liz talk .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker} so that was the prosody thing .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We - {vocalsound} I don't remember it .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , we need to finish the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's already four - fifteen .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I have like no recall memory .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Uh , after .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We need to {pause} finish this discussion , and you and I need a little time for wrap - up and quad chart . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And what ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I 'm at your disposal . So , up to you .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , what {disfmarker} what 's the plan for this discussion ? We should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think we should be able to wind up in another half - hour or something , you think ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "At least . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , less .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "m i Even if that much ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Less ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Less .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So , I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "It 's interesting that he 's got , like , {pause} this discussion free",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , we still haven't talked about the action items from here and so on .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Action {disfmarker} Yeah . So ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "yet it 's separate .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "e e why don't you say five - thirty ? I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK , five - thirty .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Is that OK ? We 'll probably hit horrible traffic .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sounds {disfmarker} OK . h Thanks , bye .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's not a lot of time ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "That 's that .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , in answer to \" is it Landay 's problem ? \" , um , he doesn't have a student who 's interested right now in doing anything . So he has very little manpower . Um , there 's very little allocated for him and also he 's pretty focused on user interface . So I don't think he wants to do information retrieval , query generation , that sort of stuff .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well there 's gonna be these student projects that can do some things but it can't be , yeah , very deep . u I {disfmarker} I actually think that {disfmarker} that , uh , again , just as a bootstrap , {comment} if we do have something like summaries , then having the people who are involved in the meetings themselves , who are cooperative and willing to do yet more , come up with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with queries , uh , could at least give {disfmarker} give Landay an idea of the kind of things that people might want to know . I mean , ye Right ? If he doesn't know anything about the area , and {disfmarker} the people are talking about and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But the people will just look at the summaries or the minutes and re and sort of back - generate the queries . That 's what I 'm worried about . So you might as well just give him the summaries .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , I 'm not sure {disfmarker} I 'm not sure that 's a solved problem .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "y Well , but I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Of how to {disfmarker} how to generate queries from a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "How to do this from the summary .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That was sort of what my {pause} question was {pause} aimed towards .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "So what you want to h to do is , people who were there , who later see , uh , minutes and s put in summary form , which is not gonna be at the same time as the meeting . There 's no way that can happen . Are we gonna later go over it",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and , like , make up some stuff to which these notes would be an answer , or {disfmarker} or a deeper {disfmarker} Yeah . I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} or just a memory refresher .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But that 's done off {disfmarker} they have to do that off - line .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep . I agree .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "You",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I 'm also wondering if we could ask the {disfmarker} the people a {disfmarker} a question which would be \" what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? \" Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good one .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "it might be , you know , that the summary would {disfmarker} would not in even include what the person thought was the most interesting fact .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I would think that would be the most likely thing .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Dan doesn't know what sex he is .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , really .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But actually I would say that 's a better thing to ask than have them summarize the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I think you get two different types of information .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "You get two {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Because you get , like , the general structure of important points and what the {disfmarker} what the meeting was about .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Hey .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Ah",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We 're still here .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So you get the general structure , the important points of what the meeting was about {pause} with the summary . But with the \" what 's the most interesting thing you learned ? \" {disfmarker} Uh , so the fact that , uh , I know that Transcriber uses Snack is something that I thought was interesting",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Going to see the kids .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you can keep it on .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and that {disfmarker} and that Dan worked on {disfmarker} on that . So I thought that was really {disfmarker} you know . So , I mean , you could ge pick up some of the micro items that wouldn't even occur as major headings",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "but could be very informative .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's actually a really good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I think it wouldn't be too , uh , uh , cost - intensive either . You know , I mean , it 's like something someone can do pretty easily on the spur of the moment .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Are you thinking about just asking one participant or all of them ?",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "As many are willing to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Make it a voluntary thing ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Cuz you 'll get {disfmarker} cuz you 'll get very different answers from everybody , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's why I was wondering .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe one thing we could do is for the meetings we 've already done {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} we didn't take minutes and we don't have summaries . But , uh , people could , like , listen to them a little bit and {pause} generate some queries .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Of course Jane doesn't need to . I 'm sure you have that meeting memorized by now .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But actually it would be an easy thing to just go around the room and say {pause} what was the most interesting thing you learned ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "for those pe people willing to stay .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} I think it would pick up the micro - structure , the {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some of the little things that would be hidden .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and that might be something people are willing to stay for .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Boy , I {disfmarker} I don't know how we get at this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That would be interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but when you go around the room you might just get the effect that somebody says something",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Or want to get up and leave .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and then you go around the room and they say \" yeah , me too , I agree . \"",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Me too , me too , me too .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "On the other hand people might try and come up with different ones , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "They might say \" oh , I was gonna say that one but now I have to think of something else \" .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , you have the other thing , that {disfmarker} that they know why we 're doing it . We 'll {disfmarker} I mean , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll be telling them that the reason we 're trying to do this is {disfmarker} is to d generate queries in the future , so try to pick things that other people didn't say .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's gonna take some thought . I mean , It seemed {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The kind of , uh , interest that I had in this thing initially was , uh , that i basically the form that you 're doing something else {pause} later ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and you want to pick up something from this meeting related to the something else . So it 's really the imp the {disfmarker} the list of what 's important 's in the something else",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "rather than the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "And it might be something minor {disfmarker} of minor importance to the meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh , in fact if {disfmarker} if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and check on it even . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's that you 're trying to find {disfmarker} {comment} You 're {disfmarker} you 've now {disfmarker} You weren't interested {disfmarker} Say I {disfmarker} I said \" well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person \" .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but thr three months from now if for some reason I get really interested in dialogue , and I 'm \" well what is {disfmarker} what was that part that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that , uh , Mari was saying ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like Jim Bass says \" add a few lines on dialogue in your next perf \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And then I 'm trying to fi I mean , that 's {disfmarker} that 's when I look {disfmarker} in general when I look things up most , is when it 's something that {vocalsound} didn't really stick in my head the first time around and {disfmarker} but for some {comment} new reason I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm interested in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the old stuff .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But that {disfmarker} that 's gonna be very hard to generate .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} That 's hard to generate",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So , I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Do we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and I think that 's half of what i I would use it for . But I also a lot of times um , make {disfmarker} you know , think to myself \" this is interesting ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 've gotta come back and follow up on it \" .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , things that I think are interesting , um , I would be , uh , wanting to do a query about . And also , I like the idea of going around the room , because if somebody else thought something was interesting , I 'd kind of want to know about it and then I 'd want to follow up on it .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That {disfmarker} that might get at some of what I was {disfmarker} I was concerned about , uh , being interested in something later that w uh , I didn't consider to be important the first time , which for me is actually the dominant thing , because if I thought it was really important it tends to stick more than if I didn't , but some new {pause} task comes along that makes me want to look up .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} But what 's interesting to me may not b have been interesting to you .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So having multiple people might get at some of that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "By {disfmarker} so by going around {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I {disfmarker} I think {pause} you can't get at all of it ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "right ? W we just need to start somewhere .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and this is a starting point .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "The question {disfmarker} the question then is h h how much bias do we introduce by {disfmarker} you know , introduce by saying , you know , this was important now and , you know , maybe tha something else is important later ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I mean , does it {disfmarker} does the bias matter ? I {disfmarker} I don't know . I mean , uh , that 's , I guess , a question for you guys . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , and {disfmarker} and one thing , we {disfmarker} we 're saying \" important \" and we 're saying \" interesting \" .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and those {disfmarker} those can be two different things .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sure , sure . But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess that 's the question , really , is that {disfmarker} I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "does building queries based on what 's important now introduce an irreversible bias on being able to do what Morgan wants to do later ?",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Well , irreversible .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , I guess what I what I {disfmarker} I keep coming back to in my own mind is that , um , the soonest we can do it , we need to get up some kind of system",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "so that people who 've been involved in the meeting can go back later , even if it 's a poor system in some ways , and , uh {disfmarker} and ask the questions that they actually want to know . If {disfmarker} you know , if {disfmarker} uh , as soon as we can get that going at any kind of level , then I think we 'll have a much better handle on what kind of questions people want to ask than in any {disfmarker} anything we do before that . But obviously we have to bootstrap somehow ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I will say that {disfmarker} that I {disfmarker} I chose \" interesting \" because I think it includes also \" important \" in some cases . But , um , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I feel like the summary gets {pause} at a different type of information .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I think \" important \" can often be uninteresting .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mmm . And \" interesting \" is more interesting than \" important \" .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , and {disfmarker} and also {disfmarker} i it puts a lot of burden on the person to {disfmarker} to evaluate . You know , I think inter \" interesting \" is {disfmarker} is non - threatening in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK - OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "In the interest of , um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Importance ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "generati {comment} generating an interesting summary , {comment} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "No , i in the interest of generating some minutes here , uh , and also moving on to action items and other things , let me just go through the things that I wrote down as being important , um , that we at least decided on . CrossPads we were going to try , um , if Landay can get the , uh {disfmarker} get them to {disfmarker} to you guys , um , and see if they 're interesting . And if they are , then we 'll try to get m do it more . Um , getting electronic summary from a note - taking person if they happen to do it anyway .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , getting {pause} just , uh , digital pictures {disfmarker} a couple digital pictures of the {disfmarker} the table and boards to set the context of the meeting . Uh , and then going around the room at the end to just say {disfmarker} qu ask people to mention something interesting that they learned . So rather than say the most interesting thing , something interesting ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "k",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and that way you 'll get more variety .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't even say that \" that they learned \" .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's good . I like that . I like that .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Uh , you might want to mention something that {disfmarker} that you brought up .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "\" Thing {pause} that was {pause} discussed . \" And then the last thing c would be for those people who are willing to stay afterwards and give an oral summary .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK ? Does that pretty much cover everything we talked about ? That {disfmarker} well , that we want to do ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . A And one {disfmarker} and one qualification on {disfmarker} on the oral summaries . They 'd be s they 'd be separate . They wouldn't be hearing each other 's summaries .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's like {disfmarker} n I think that 's gonna predominantly end up being whoever {pause} takes down the equipment then .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} and that would also be that the data would be included in the database .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be , let 's see , me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there is still this hope that people might actually think of real queries they really want to ask at some point .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And that if {disfmarker} if that ever should happen , then we should try and write them down .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Give them a reward , a dollar a query ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , really .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "If they 're real queries .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , and again , if we can figure out a way to jimmy a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a very rough system , say in a year , then {disfmarker} uh , so that in the second and third years we {disfmarker} we actually have something to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Play with and generate real queries from .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "ask queries .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right . OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} I just wanted to say one thing about queries . I mean , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} the level of the query could be , you know , very low - level or very high - level . And it gets fuzzier and fuzzier as you go up , right ?",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , we 're gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So you need to have some sort of {disfmarker} if you start working with queries , some way of identifying what the {disfmarker} you know , if this is something that requires a {disfmarker} a one - word answer or it 's one place in the recording versus was there general agreement on this issue of all the people who ha",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know , you can gen you can ask queries that are meaningful for people .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "In fact , they 're very meaningful cuz they 're very high - level . But they won't exist anywhere in the {pause} a you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . So I think we 're gonna have to start with keywords",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and if someone becomes more interested we could work our way up .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I I 'm {disfmarker} I I 'm not so sure I agree with that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} But it may well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} uh , b because it depends on , uh , what our goal is .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "If our goal is Wizard of Oz - ish , we might want to know what is it that people would really like to know about this data .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And if it 's {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if it 's something that we don't know how to do yet , th great ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "that 's , you know , research project for year four or something .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Research , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was thinking about Wizard of Oz , but it requires the wizard to know all about the meetings .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We 'd have to listen to all the data .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , not {disfmarker} maybe not true Wizard of Oz",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "because people are too",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . I {disfmarker} I understand .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "uh , aware of what 's going on .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well just imagine if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Get people to ask questions that they def the machine definitely can't answer at the moment ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . w Just \" what would you like to know ? \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But that {disfmarker} neither could anyone else , though , is what , uh , my point is .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I I was wondering if {disfmarker} if there might be one s more source of queries which is indicator phrases like \" action item \" ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "which could be obtained from the text {disfmarker} from the transcript .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right . Since we have the transcript .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Dates maybe . I don't know . That 's something I always forget .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's something to be determined , something to be specified ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , probably if you have to sit there at the end of a meeting and say one thing you remember , it 's probably whatever action item was assigned to you .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "but text - oriented .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , in gen that 's all I remember from most meetings .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} that 's all I wrote down .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think you 'd remember that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So , in general , I mean , that could be something you could say , right ? I 'm supposed to {pause} do this . It {disfmarker} it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's true . Well , but then you could {disfmarker} you could prompt them to say , you know , \" other than your action item \" , you know , whatever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but the action item would be a way to get , uh , maybe an additional query .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that 's realistically what people might {pause} well be remembering .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Yeah . Well , but {disfmarker} you know , but you could get again @ @ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "Well , we 're piloting . We 'll just do it and see what happens .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I usually don't remember my action items . But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'd {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "OK - OK . Speaking of action items , can we move on to action items ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Can you hand me my note pad ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Um , or maybe we should wait until the summary of this {disfmarker} until this meeting is transcribed and then we will hav",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "We {disfmarker} we had {disfmarker} I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then we 'll know .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "somewhere up there we had milestones , but I guess {disfmarker} Did y did you get enough milestone , uh , from the description things ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I got {disfmarker} Yeah . In fact , why don't you hand me those transparencies so that I remember to take them . eee ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "And , you know , there 's obviously {pause} detail behind each of those , as much as is needed . So , you just have to {pause} let us know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . What I have down for action items is we 're supposed to find out about our human subject , um , {vocalsound} requirements .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "Uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
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"content": "people are supposed to send me U R for their {disfmarker} for web pages , to c and I 'll put together an overall cover . And you 're s",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Right . We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
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"content": "we need to look at our web page",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "And {disfmarker} and you also need to look at your web page",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"speaker": "PhD E"
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{
"content": "and clean it up by mid - July .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "PDA - free .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
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"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
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"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
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"content": "let 's see . Choo - choo - choo . We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
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"content": "Mailing lists .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mailing list ? Uh , you need to put together a mailing list .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Three of them .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Uh , I think w",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "uh ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "mostly together .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "uh , I need to email Adam or Jane , um , about getting the data . Who should I email ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Uh , how quickly do you want it ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "My July is really very crowded . And so , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "How about if I just c Uh , Right now all I want {disfmarker} I personally only want text data . I think the only thing Jeff would do anything with right now {disfmarker} But I 'm just speaking fr based on a conversation with him two weeks ago I had in Turkey . But I think all he would want is the digits . Um , but I 'll just speak for myself . I 'm interested in getting the language model data . Eh , so I 'm just interested in getting transcriptions .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So then just email you ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So y Sure , sure , sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "Wh",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You could email to both of us , uh , just {disfmarker} I mean , if you wanted to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "I mean , I don't think either of us would mind recei",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "i",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
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"content": "but {disfmarker} but in any case I 'd be happy to send you the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "And your email is ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "i",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Edwards at ICSI .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
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"content": "w",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "Dot Berkeley dot EDU , of course .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
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"content": "In {disfmarker} in our phone call , uh , before , we {disfmarker} we , uh {disfmarker} It turns out the way we 're gonna send the data is by , uh , And , uh {disfmarker} and then what they 're gonna do is take the CD - ROM and transfer it to analog tape and {vocalsound} give it to a transcription service , uh , that will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Oh , is this IBM ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , using foot pedals",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "Yeah , foot {disfmarker} foot pedals",
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"content": "and {disfmarker}",
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"content": "and {disfmarker}",
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{
"content": "Uh , so do they {disfmarker} How are they gonna do the multi - channel ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "See , that 's a good question .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They {disfmarker} they don't have a way .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "I thought so .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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{
"content": "No , I mean , it 'll be",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But they have a verification .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
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{
"content": "probably about like you did ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mix ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and then there will be some things {disfmarker} you know , many things that don't work out well . And that 'll go back to IBM and they 'll {disfmarker} they 'll , uh {disfmarker} they run their aligner on it and it kicks out things that don't work well , which {disfmarker} you know , the overlaps will certainly be examples of that . And , uh {disfmarker} I mean , what w we will give them all of it . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . That 's , uh , my question .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We 'll give them all the {disfmarker} the multi - channel stuff",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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"content": "So we 'll give them all sixteen channels",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and they 'll do whatever they want with it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "But you also should probably give them the mixed {disfmarker} You know , equal sound - level {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Good idea .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I mean , they 're not gonna easily be able to do that , probably .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's not hard .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
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{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
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{
"content": "Ah , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "It 's also won't be adding much to the data to give them the mixed .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
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"content": "But w",
"speaker": "PhD F"
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"content": "I",
"speaker": "PhD B"
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"content": "It 's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right . It doesn't {disfmarker} it isn't difficult for us to do ,",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "i You should {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "so we might as well just do it .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "You should {disfmarker} that may be all that they want to send off to their {pause} transcribers .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely . So , sure .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Related to {disfmarker} to the conversation with Picheny , I need to email him , uh , my shipping address and you need to email them something which you already did .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I did . I {disfmarker} I m emailed them the Transcriber URL , um , the on - line , uh , data that Adam set up , The URL so they can click on an utterance and hear it . and I emailed them the str streamlined conventions which you got a copy of today .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right . And I was gonna m email them the {disfmarker} which I haven't yet , a pointer to {disfmarker} to the web pages that we {disfmarker} that we currently have , cuz in particular they want to see the one with the {disfmarker} the way the recording room is set up",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and so on , your {disfmarker} your page on that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , excellent . Good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
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"content": "And then p possibly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I C - I CC ' ed Morgan . I should have sent {disfmarker} I should have CC ' ed you as well .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Not an immediate action item but something we do have to worry about is data formats for {disfmarker} for higher - level information .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . We were gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Well , or d or not even higher level , different level , prosody and all that sort of stuff . We 're gonna have to figure out how we 're gonna annotate that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We never had our data format discussion .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we w Right .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I thought we did . We discussed , uh , musi musical score notation",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But that 's not {disfmarker} That 's display .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and its XML {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That 's different than format .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "W My {disfmarker} my u feeling right now on format is you guys have been doing all the work",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and whatever you want , we 're happy to live with .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK , excellent .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "other people may not agree with that ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . So , what n important thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Cuz I 'm not actually touching the data ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
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"content": "Well , it c",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "so I shouldn't be the one to talk . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "No , I think that 's fine .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "So a key thing will be that you {disfmarker} we tell you",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "what it is . Uh , we also had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "\" Here 's a mysterious file",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} \"",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "We also had the , uh , uh {disfmarker} that we were s uh , that you were gonna get us the eight - hundred number",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and we 're all gonna {disfmarker} we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and {disfmarker} and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users . So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good . Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or , {vocalsound} like if you have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "who know that you shouldn't hyper - articulate , for instance , and things like that .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
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{
"content": "Or , like if you have somebody who makes your {disfmarker} your plane reservations for you ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "um , which is",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can do that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "the n",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Get my parents to do it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Seriously .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for instance .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Your grandmother .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . e You know , it could {pause} result in some good bloopers , which is always good for presentations . So {disfmarker} Um , anyway {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . ",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think my father would last through the second prompt before he hang {disfmarker} hung up .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "My mother would have a very interesting conversation with it",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "He would never use it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "but it wouldn't have anything to do with the travel .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Let 's see , other action items . So I have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We talked about that we 're getting the recording equipment running at UW . And so it depends , w e e e they 're {disfmarker} you know , they 're p m If that comes together within the next month , there at least will be , uh , uh , major communications between Dan and {vocalsound} UW folks",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm shooting to try to get it done {disfmarker} get it put together by {pause} the beginning of August .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "as to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "we should talk about it , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So , um , you know , if",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But we have {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty {disfmarker} We don't know . I mean , he {disfmarker} he s uh , he said that it was sitting in some room collecting dust",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and so we don't know ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "i It 's probably unlikely that we 'll pull this off ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "i e",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but a at least it 's worth trying .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . What is it ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We don't know .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh , OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "\" Recording equipment . \"",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "It 's a tape recorder .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "W We know it 's eight channels . Uh , we know it 's digital .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's eight tape recorders .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We don't even know if there 're microphones . So , we 'll find out .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK . Um , and I will email these notes {disfmarker} Um , I 'm not sure what to do about action items for the data stuff , although , then somebody {disfmarker} I guess somebody needs to tell Landay that you want the pads .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK . I 'll do that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Um , and he also said something about outside {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} that came up about the outside text sources , that he {disfmarker} he may have",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "some text sources that are close enough to the sort of thing that we can play with them for a language model .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that was {disfmarker} uh , that was {disfmarker} What he was saying was this {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} this thing that , uh , Jason had been working on finds web pages that are thematically related to what you 're talking about . Well , that 's the idea . So that that {disfmarker} that would be a source of text which is {disfmarker} supposedly got the right vocabulary .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But it 's obviously very different material . It 's not spoken material , for instance ,",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it 's p it might be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} but that 's actually what I wanna do . That 's {disfmarker} that 's what I wanna work with ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker} is things that s the wrong material but the right da the right source .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Un - unfortunately Landay told me that Jason is not gonna be working on that anymore .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "He 's switching to other stuff again .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . He seemed {disfmarker} when I asked him if he could actually supply data , he seemed a little bit more reluctant . So , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll send him email . I 'll put it in an action item that I send him email about it . And if I get something , great . If I don't get something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Who ? Landay or Jason ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Landay . And , uh , um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "you know , otherwise , if you guys have any papers or {disfmarker} I could {disfmarker} I could use , uh {disfmarker} I could use your web pages . That 's what we could do . You 've got all the web pages on the Meeting Recor",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why search for them ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "They 're {disfmarker} we know where they are .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that 's true .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , forget this !",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , but that 's not very much .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} One less action item . I can use what web pages there are out there on meeting recorders .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Basically what his software does is h it picks out keywords and does a Google - like search .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we can {disfmarker} we can {disfmarker} we can do better than that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "We can do that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "So you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "There 's {disfmarker} there 's some , uh , Carnegie Mellon stuff , right ? On {disfmarker} on meeting recording ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "And Xerox .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , there 's {disfmarker} there 's ICSI , Xerox ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And there 's {disfmarker} You should l look under , like , intelligent environments ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And Xerox . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "smart rooms ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Um , the \" Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand \" is a good one .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "CMU ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right . And then {disfmarker} Right . J There 's {disfmarker} th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "because of all these classroom {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "And I want to try to stay away from that . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Great . That solves that problem . One less action item . Um {disfmarker} OK . I think that 's good enou that 's {disfmarker} that 's pretty much all I can think of .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data {disfmarker} data collection and I {disfmarker} and I 'd {disfmarker} and we mentioned earlier today , this question of {disfmarker} um , so , um , I s I know that from {disfmarker} with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened . But I wonder if {disfmarker} Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Now , I mean , you know , it 's true , I mean , we were discussing this earlier , that depending on the task {disfmarker} so if you 've got someone giving a report you 're not gonna have as much overlap .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Adam !",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "But , um , i i uh , so we 're gonna have s you know , non - overlapping samples anyway . But , um , in a meeting which would otherwise be highly overlapping , is the near - field mike enough or should we have some rules of participation for some of our samples to lessen the overlap ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "turn off",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I don't think we should have rules of participation , but I think we should try to {pause} get a variety of meetings . That 's something that if we get the {disfmarker} the meeting stuff going at UW , that I probably can do more than you guys ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "cuz you guys are probably mostly going to get ICSI people here . But we can get anybody in EE , uh , over {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} and possibly also some CS people , uh , over at UW . So , I think that {disfmarker} that there 's a good chance we could get more variety .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK . Just want to be sure there 's enough data to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "They 're still gonna overlap ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK , good .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Mark and others have said that there 's quite a lot of found data {comment} from the discourse community that has this characteristic and also the political {disfmarker} Y you know , anything that was televised for a third party has the characteristic of not very much overlap .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Wasn - but w I think we were saying before also that the natural language group here had less overlap .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So it also depends on the style of the group of people .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Like the , um , dominance relations of the people in the meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . On the task , and the task .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "It 's just {disfmarker} I just wanted to {disfmarker} uh ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "because you know , it is true people can modify the amount of overlap that they do if {disfmarker} if they 're asked to .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker} not entirely modify it , but lessen it if {disfmarker} if it 's desired . But if {disfmarker} if that 's sufficient data {disfmarker} I just wanted to be sure that we will not be having a lot of data which can't be processed .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "OK . So I 'm just writing here , we 're not gonna try to specify rules of interaction but we 're gonna try to get more variety by i using different {pause} groups of people",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Time .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and different sizes .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Fine . And I {disfmarker} you know , I {disfmarker} I know that the near f near - field mikes will take care of also the problems to s to a certain degree .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "e e Yeah . And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I just wanted to be sure .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap , because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Well , I {disfmarker} just as {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} as a contributary {disfmarker} eh , so I {disfmarker} I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping . They 'll just say , you know {disfmarker} you know , \" wait till each person is finished before you say something \" . So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to . But {disfmarker} but these other factors are fine . I just wanted to raise the issue .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to {comment} is because I wanted it to be {pause} as , uh , unintrusive as possi",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "as you could be with these things hanging on you .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah , I think that 's always desired . I just want to be sure we don't {disfmarker} that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Did they discuss any of that in the {disfmarker} the meeting they had with L Liberman ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "And there was a big division ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} what do they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "so Liberman and others {pause} were interested in a lot of found data .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So there 's lots of recordings that {disfmarker} They 're not close - talk mike ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} And {disfmarker} and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that , congre congressional hearings . Boring stuff like that . Um , and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in {disfmarker} cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this and said that those are nothing like these meetings . Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data . And , I guess we just left it as {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} that {pause} if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "but newly collected data would {disfmarker} would be natural meetings . So .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Actually , th @ @ {comment} the CMU folk have collected a lot of data . Is that {disfmarker} is that going to be publicly available ,",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "As far as I know , they h have not .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Um , but e",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "It 's also {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not near - far , right ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not sure . Um , if people were interested they could talk to them , but I {disfmarker} I got the feeling there was some politics involved .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Just to check .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . W we should know what 's out there certainly .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I mean , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Cuz I had thought they 'd only done far - field ,",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "I think you need to talk to Waibel and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "intelligent - room sorts of things .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , really ? It 's those guys .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I hadn't known that then {disfmarker} they 'd done any more than that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , they only did the far - field ? I see .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But they had multiple mikes and they did do recognition , and they did do real conversations . But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But that could change cuz Mark {disfmarker} you know , Mark 's really into this . We should keep in touch with him .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , once we send out {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying \" hey , this list exists \" . But {disfmarker} but , uh , once we do that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Is that an action item ?",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It 's on {disfmarker} I already added that one on my board to do that . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , hopefully everybody here is on that list . We should at least check that everybody here {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I think everyone here is on the list .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I 'm not .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "u e e",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I think you are .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "We haven't sent anything to the list yet .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "We 're just compiling the list .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I added a few people who didn't {disfmarker} who I knew had to be on it even though they didn't tell me .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Who specifically ask not to be .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Like Jane , for example .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You are on it , aren't you ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I am .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So , I w uh , just {disfmarker} just for clarification . So \" found data \" , they mean like established corpora of linguistics and {disfmarker} and other fields , right ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "What they mean is stuff they don't have to fund to collect ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It sounds like such a t",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "and especially good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , \" found \" has , uh , also the meaning that 's it very natural . It 's things occur without any {disfmarker} You know , the pe these people weren't wearing close - talking mikes , but they were recorded anyway , like the congressional hearings and , you know , for legal purposes or whatever .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . But it includes like standard corpora that have been used for years in linguistics and {pause} other fields .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Mark 's aware of those , too .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Hey , look what we found ! \"",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "That would be found data because they found it {vocalsound} and it exists .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "\" I found this great corpora . \" Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "They didn't have to collect it . Of course it 's not \" found \" in the sense that at the time it was collected for the purpose .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "\" Psst . {comment} Want to buy a corpora ? \"",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . OK , OK .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "But what he means is that {disfmarker} You know , Mark was really a fan of getting as much data as possible from {disfmarker} you know , reams and reams of stuff , of broadcast stuff ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "That 's interesting .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "web stuff ,",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "TV stuff , radio stuff . But he well understands that that 's very different than these {disfmarker} this type of meeting .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "It 's not the same .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "But , so what ? It 's still {disfmarker} it 's interesting for other reasons .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "OK . Yeah . Just wanted to know .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "So , seems like we 're winding down .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Many {pause} ways .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "You can {pause} tell {pause} by the {pause} prosody .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So we should go {disfmarker} go around and s",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "We should go around and say something interesting that happened at the meeting ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yes , we should do that .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Rrrh !",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Now , I was already thinking about it , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh ! Good man .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "This is painful task .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "So , um , I really liked the idea of {disfmarker} what I thought was interesting was the combination of the CrossPad and the speech . Especially , um , the interaction of them rather than just note - taking . So , can you {pause} determine the interesting points by who 's writing ? Can you do special gestures and so on that {disfmarker} that have , uh , special meaning to the corpora ? I really liked that .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I {disfmarker} I just realized there 's another category of interesting things which is that , um , I {disfmarker} I found this discussion very , uh , i this {disfmarker} this question of how you get at queries really interesting . And {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} and I {disfmarker} and the fact that it 's sort of , uh , nebulous , what {disfmarker} what that {disfmarker} what kind of query it would be because it depends on what your purpose is . So I actually found that whole process of {disfmarker} of trying to think of what that would involve to be interesting . But that 's not really a specific fact . I just sort of thought we {disfmarker} we went around a nice discussion of the factors involved there , which I thought was worthwhile .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "I had a real revelation about taking pictures . I don't know why I didn't do this before and I regret it . So that was very interesting for me .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Did you take pictures of the boards ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Not that I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "The boards aren't really related to this meeting . I mean , I will take pictures of them , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "That 's a good point .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "They 're related to this morning 's meeting .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "To the pre previous meeting . That 's right .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "OK . Well , that 's why I 'll take pictures of them , then .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'm gonna pass because I can't {disfmarker} I mean , of the {disfmarker} Jane took my answer .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Ah !",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I 'm gonna pass for the moment but y come {disfmarker} come back to me .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "For the moment .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Pass .",
"speaker": "PhD B"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} I think \" pass \" is socially acceptable . But I will say {disfmarker} uh , I will actually {disfmarker} uh , a spin on different {disfmarker} slightly different spin on what you said , this issue of , uh , realizing that we could take minutes , and that actually may be a goal . So that {disfmarker} that may be kind of the test {disfmarker} in a sense , test data , uh , the {disfmarker} the template of what we want to test against , generating a summary . So that 's an interesting new twist on what we can do with this data .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "I agree with Jane and Eric . I think the question of how to generate queries automatically was the most interesting question that came up , and it 's something that , as you said , is a whole research topic in itself , so I don't think we 'll be able to do anything on it because we don't have funding on it , uh , in this project . But , um , {vocalsound} it 's definitely something I would {pause} want to do something on .",
"speaker": "Professor C"
},
{
"content": "I wonder if work 's already been done on it .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Like e expert systems and stuff ,",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} ? Uh - huh .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Well , being more management lately than {disfmarker} {vocalsound} than research , I think the thing that impressed me most was the people dynamics and not any of the facts . That is , I {disfmarker} I really enjoyed hanging out with this group of people today . So that 's what really impressed me .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "How are we gonna find that in the data ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Well , if we had people wearing the wireless mikes all the time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean , one thing you could search for is were people laughing a lot .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Right ? So .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "How happy were they ?",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "I 'd probably search for something like that .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "That actually has come up a couple times in queries . I was talking to Landay",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "and that was one of his examples .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "When {disfmarker} when did people laugh ?",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "That 's great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Find me a funny thing that Jeff said . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "So we need a laugh detector .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Mm - hmm .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Cuz that seems to be pretty common . Not in the congressional hearings .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "Quiet sobbing .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "So I think we 're done .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor A"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "PhD E"
},
{
"content": "OK .",
"speaker": "PhD F"
},
{
"content": "I think we 're done .",
"speaker": "Grad G"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Professor D"
},
{
"content": " h Do we need {disfmarker} do I need to turn something off here , or I do unplug this , or {disfmarker} ?",
"speaker": "Postdoc H"
},
{
"content": "Now these we turn off . Right ?",
"speaker": "Professor D"
}
] |
ES2002a
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"20"
]
],
"topic": "Group mates self-introduction and the project introduction"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"21",
"286"
]
],
"topic": "Discussion about favourite animal characteristics and the workflow"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This was the kick-off meeting for the project. First of all, Project Manager led each group member to know each other and introduced the project which was aiming to design remote control. Next, they discussed their favourite animal characteristics. Lastly, Project Manager mentioned how they worked on each part individually.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "There were four people in the project team and each one introduced to each other on the team role. Project Manager introduced the project was about designing a remote control. After that, Project Manager explained the work division for each person and how they would present in the coming meetings.",
"query": "Summarize the groupmates' self-introduction and the project introduction.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"20"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The group was greeting each other at the first meeting. Laura was the Project Manager. David was Industrial Designer and Andrew was Marketing expert. And User Interface was named Craig.",
"query": "Summarize the job role for each groupmate.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"9"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Group mates all should have received an email introducing what was this project about and there would be three different stages to the design. The project was about designing a new remote control, which was supposed to be original, trendy, and user friendly.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about the email they received on the project announcement?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"9",
"20"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer drew a whale because whales came in and went to eat everything in sight, and they were harmless, interesting, and mild. Project Manager drew a dog because the dogs were friendly and cheery. Next, about the finance and the workflow. The target revenue was fifty million Euros and the target was on an international scale. The cost was 25 Euros. Group mates would receive requirement emails and work on them individually.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the favourite animal characteristics and the workflow.",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"21",
"286"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project manager mentioned that they had no background information on the competitor, however, they could analyze based on the product price. And Marketing supplemented that the remote control was something that people would not consciously assess in their purchasing habits.",
"query": "What did Project Manager recommend to do when discussing competitor information?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"169",
"179"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The group had a discussion about the first remote control with cable and huge buttons on it. So they would like to try new technology like a touch screen and nicer materials for the remote, which was important for technology improvement.",
"query": "What did the group think of the importance of technology reasonable on the working design?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"223",
"251"
]
]
}
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{
"content": "Okay Right {vocalsound} Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project . Um {vocalsound} and um this is just what we're gonna be doing over the next twenty five minutes . Um so first of all , just to kind of make sure that we all know each other ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm Laura and I'm the project manager . {vocalsound} Do you want to introduce yourself again ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hi , I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrial designer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketing",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "expert .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Great . Okay . {vocalsound} Um so we're designing a new remote control and um {disfmarker} Oh I have to record who's here actually . So that's David , Andrew and Craig , isn't it ? And you all arrived on time . Um yeah so des uh {vocalsound} design a new remote control . Um , as you can see it's supposed to be original , trendy and user friendly . Um so that's kind of our our brief , as it were . Um and so there are three different stages to the design . Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails . What did you get ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I just got the project announcement about what the project is {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Designing a remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's about it , didn't get anything else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's that's it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that what everybody got ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did you get the same thing ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . So we're gonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it . And repeat that process three times . Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there . Um . {vocalsound} So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it . So who would like to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I will go . That's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} This one here , right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Very nice . Alright . My favourite animal is like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} A beagle .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um charac favourite characteristics of it ? Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right , well basically um high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family . And , yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fit and in robust good health .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this is blue . Blue beagle . My family's beagle .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lovely . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Well , my favourite animal would be a monkey .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Then they're small cute and furry , and uh when planet of the apes becomes real , {vocalsound} I'm gonna be up there with them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There's too much gear . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can take as long over this as you like , because we haven't got an awful lot to discuss .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ok oh we do we do",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Don't feel like you're in a rush , anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ach {gap} why not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Boy , let me tell you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We might have to get you up again then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what mine is . I'm gonna have to think on the spot now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Impressionist .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can't draw . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that a whale ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , well anyway , I don't know , it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head . Um . Yes . Big reason is 'cause I'm allergic to most animals . Allergic to animal fur ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so um fish was a natural choice . Um , yeah , and I kind of like whales . They come in and go {vocalsound} eat everything in sight . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . God , I still don't know what I'm gonna write about . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Superb sketch , by the way .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Tail's a bit big , I think . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was gonna choose a dog as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I'll just draw a different kind of dog .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "M my favourite animal is my own dog at home . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} That doesn't really look like him , actually . He looks more like a pig , actually . Ah well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I see a dog in there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's very good of you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound} Now I see a rooster .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What kind is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um he's a mixture of uh various things . Um and what do I like about him , um {disfmarker} That's just to suggest that his tail wags .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you , and very kind of affectionate and um {vocalsound} uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can {disfmarker} doesn't take up too much space .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and uh {disfmarker} And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which is quite amusing , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is . I think it is . He only does it after he's had his dinner",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's an after dinner dog then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe . Maybe . {vocalsound} Right , um where did you find this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just down here ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Um what are we doing next ? Uh um . Okay , uh we now need to discuss the project finance . Um so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro , um and we're aiming to make fifty million Euro . Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale . And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelve fifty Euros , so fifty percent of the selling price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Um , can we just go over that again ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so bas at twel Alright , yeah . Okay . So cost {disfmarker} like production cost is twelve fifty ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "All together .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but selling price is {disfmarker} is that wholesale or retail ? Like on the shelf .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I dunno . I imagine {disfmarker} That's a good question .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Our sale our sale anyway .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I imagine it probably is our sale actually",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because it's probably up to the the um the retailer to uh sell it for whatever price they want . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I {disfmarker} I don't know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Think it will ? Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh , like with D_V_D_ players , if there are zones .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , regions and stuff , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um f frequencies or something",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um as well as uh characters , um different uh keypad styles and s symbols .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well for a remote control , do you think that will be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters like European languages , then you need more buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , possibly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price . I'm thinking the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region , whereas in another it'll be different , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What , just like in terms of like the wealth of the country ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just a chara just a characteristic of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like how much money people have to spend on things like ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} Or just like , basic product podi positioning , the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London , might not be such a big hit in Greece , who knows ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Aye , I see what you mean , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "something like that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Marketing . Good marketing thoughts .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh gosh , I should be writing all this down . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right away I'm making some kind of assumptions about what what information we're given here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "thinking , 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "something other than just standard . Um so I'm wondering right away , is selling twenty five Euros , is that sort of the {disfmarker} thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Like how much does , you know , a remote control cost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well twenty five Euro , I mean that's um that's about like eighteen pounds or something , isn't it ? Or no , is it as much as that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah , I'd say so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I dunno , I've never bought a remote control , so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um right , okay . Let me just scoot on ahead here . Okay . Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all ? Thin",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , actually . That would be useful , though ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "other {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wouldn't it , if you knew like what your money would get you now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah , interesting thing about discussing um production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out , I just don't think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Five minutes to end of meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It just comes along .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . We're a bit behind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you know what I mean ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like so sort of like how do you I I mean one one way of looking at it would be , well the people producing television sets , maybe they have to buy remote controls . Or another way is maybe people who have T_V_ sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know um {disfmarker} My parents went out and bought um remote controls because um they got fed up of having four or five different remote controls for each things the house .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um for them it was just how many devices control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so {disfmarker} Right , so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right , so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V_C_R_ and everything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots . They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "everything , agenda . So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "such as the lighting in your house , or um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch . Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's a good idea . So extra functionalities .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "An Yeah . Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player . So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But each one's got its own little part .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes . Um I'll just check we've nothing else . Okay . Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used , what they would really like to be part of this new one at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you keep losing them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You keep losing them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Finding them is really a pain , you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's usually quite small , or when you want it right , it slipped behind the couch",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or it's kicked under the table .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W You get those ones where you can , if you like , whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's just really good id Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There {disfmarker} I mean is that something we'd want to include , do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sure . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable . Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "My goodness .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Still feels quite primitive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined . S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe like a touch screen or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Something like that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or whatever would be technologically reasonable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , okay . Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It looks better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , nicer materials",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and might be",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "be worth exploring anyway .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , well um so just to wrap up the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes . So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch . Um so inbetween now and then , um as the industrial designer , you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so y you know what you're doing there . Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do . Um and uh marketing executive , you'll be just thinking about what it actually {disfmarker} what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess . {vocalsound} And uh and that's the end of the meeting . So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um , do we {disfmarker} We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right ? Well , um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Th Okay , well just very quickly",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause this {disfmarker} we're supposed to finish now . Um I guess that's up to us ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it , so um , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think one factor would be production cost .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because there's a cap there ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so um depends on how much you can cram into that price . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that that's the main factor .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay , we'll that's that's the end of the meeting , then . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "thank you all for coming . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
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"answer": "This meeting was about the functional design of the remote control. Firstly, User Interface presented on the technical function design. For the previous remote, User Interface found it was clunky but the functions were basic, or the remote was too complicated with lots of buttons. Based on this, User Interface demonstrated two kinds of buttons access to advanced functions. Next, Marketing presented on market trends and proposed three inspirations including the fancy look and technology innovation based on the customer needs. Then, Industrial Designer presented on the working design and introduced the working design logic of the battery and power source. Lastly, the group discussed the remote functions. They decided to have fifteen to thirty-five-year-old target groups as well as to have video controls map to advanced functionality so that they could skip the basic channel button.",
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}
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"answer": "Marketing mentioned three main inspirations. The first one was the customer’s need for the trend of fashion in electronics. The second one was the simplicity of technology and Marketing mentioned that existing customers would be willing to pay more for voice recognition. The third one was about the aesthetics, the look of the remote including its shape and colour.",
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"answer": "Project Manager asked if people would think that installing a new remote was a technology innovation. Marketing was against it and recommended the voice recognition technology because Marketing found the recurring theme was fashionable and trendy.",
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"answer": "The group mentioned that if they need to include speech recognition, they should target between fifteen and thirty-five because this age group would be willing to try new technology. Group mates also supplemented that this age group had a bit of expendable income to spend on the new technology and they were familiar with computers.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer introduced the basic working design logic of the remote, including the working process, the batteries, the power source to transmit the signal, the voice recognition as well as the interface for users to tab the button on the device.",
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{
"content": "Is that alright now ? {vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybody all set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could you plug me in ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "All ready to go ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so hopefully you've all been working away , and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder . Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , you know , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements , which is the {disfmarker} The first one {vocalsound} is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext very much anymore , so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the {disfmarker} of the remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television , not the V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design . Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is . It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the slogan , like the actual written slogan , or just to embody the idea of the slogan ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well that's the thing , I'm I'm not sure um {vocalsound} uh th because on the the company website , uh what does it say {disfmarker} Uh something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Bout putting the fashion in electronics .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean do they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Is that something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . Um or yeah , just the idea , but I'm not sure . So that's something we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not to worry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company . Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nope , we're all set .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right um , time for presentations then . Who would like to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'll go first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , of course , yeah . G go on ahead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} so this is the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Right {gap} to do the um {vocalsound} the design I have I've had a look online , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um {vocalsound} your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes , there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , you don't know what you're doing . {vocalsound} Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad . Um there's an example I'll show you at the end , um {gap} sh show you now . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} here um the button there and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and that one's prog , and it doesn't really tell you what it does . Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's a very simple one . It's got only the basic functions mm but um {vocalsound} it's the same size as the the hard to use one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh it looked a bit clunky . They're very big and not very much use for {gap} buttons . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound} and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions . There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button . Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls . {vocalsound} Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer , or something like tha {gap} from the bottom of it . So , {vocalsound} now I'd like to ask for your preferences . Um not sure of how long we've got , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just a couple of minutes anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "M yeah , like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over . So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But anyway ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your area for now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um we might come to that later .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which which is the clunky one , the one on left or on the right?. .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um , the clunky one is the one on the right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um clunky in what sense , like um h heavier ? Larger ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think it's supposed to be the same size , but um it's got much fewer buttons . It's , you know , it's very spread out",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I see , so it's more just basic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Looks kind of {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and kind of {disfmarker} you know",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": ", I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size . {vocalsound} {gap} got very few buttons on it and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I think it's a valid point . I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated , and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing . Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design , but yeah you don't want to lose out on , you know , what it does , so maybe you know",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's a good idea . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} do we have any functions that um we'd want on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean so far I've got um on and off , um switch the channel up and down , and put the volume up and down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , and then actual numbers for channels as well , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , you say that's a h a required one or a requested one ? Would you like",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which was that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um the channels like the the numbers on thing , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Up {disfmarker} the numbers , or the up down ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "God , I wou I would say that's required ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually select channels ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean would anybody disagree with that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , what else , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So don't need to worry about teletext ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "don't need to worry about V_C_R_ , uh any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We don't ? No ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know like brightness and contrast ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising . We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that what we're we're doing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , to start with um sort of a bit both , um we need to find out exactly what we have to have",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um and after that we can add things if they're possible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right . Well , do you wanna maybe just , at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , so so far , just to recap you've got volume and channel control and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There's um on and off , um volume and channel , and skip to certain channels with the numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right okay . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types , so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oka",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For example if we had audio controls , those could be something people set up very rarely . Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "things like channel and volume um are used all the time , so we just have them right out on top , um very just very sort of self-explanatory . Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls , you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip . And others that are uh also available",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then others that are concealed .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh well , just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section {disfmarker} Have I just lost {disfmarker} Oh no . Um , uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements , and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that , maybe like a mute button , that sort of thing . Any of {disfmarker} you anything to add to that at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll add it later , I guess {gap} the presentation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if we can move on to next presentation then please . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you want to switch places ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can this can this pl reach ? Can this plug come across ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Probably not , actually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So why don't I just pick up and move then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Here , I'll just {vocalsound} Why don't I just {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just just switch them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm er , can you go up behind me ? Kinda {disfmarker} This is so {disfmarker} This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} bit complicated . It'd be nice if everything was wireless , wouldn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm all in a knot now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . So I can I can say already , I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh {vocalsound} the things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , like overlap between what you said ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh well , for all you know that {disfmarker} that'll happen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Which is ma not necessarily a bad thing , but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine , because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm hard to know what {disfmarker} where your role ends , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Obviously obviously what you've just told me what you've just told me impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So how do I how do I get this up ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh pr yeah , press function and F_ eight , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . Alright . So {disfmarker} F_ eight ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Function , the blue button . Next to the control on the left . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and F_ eight . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You have to push it together .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I think that that's doing it now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nope . Try that again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , again ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wait .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Think maybe the the wire in the back might be loose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} Oh oh here we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep , there we go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} okay great . Okay . Just um {disfmarker} Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's {disfmarker} now becomes a collective thing . And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding , 'kay what what are our options , what should we decide and do you know what I mean , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Increase that 'cause we can't see the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's much better .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Can you um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright . That would be {disfmarker} Okay . So um does that make sense ? So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could {disfmarker} and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities . 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through . So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs , that we start with the customer , and w you know , what they want and what are issues with with um existing products . Uh to think about trends and also about {disfmarker} try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics . Um and then , as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bouncing on top . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Dunno . Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So this is what I've found here , um a lot of this is new to me , so we'll just read through together . Um , users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls . So they find them ugly . Most people find them ugly . Um {vocalsound} the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well , we'll see later , the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control , such as voice recognition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay I'm gonna {disfmarker} we'll look at that in a second . Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls . So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology , they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't {disfmarker} doesn't really appeal to them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like {disfmarker} if for me this is sorta like three different different um inspirations , you know , one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy . And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side , we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands . Um , {vocalsound} frustrations . They get lost a lot , s as it came up in our last meeting . Um , takes time to learn how to use them . This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls , so d it doesn't just look like a big panel , kinda like when you you look at , you know , a new computer keyboard , or something that is quite explanatory . If you want audio , if you want visual , then you have those . Um and I will admit I don't know what R_S_I_ stands for .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is installing a new remote control something that people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no , that did not come up at all . Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things . I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition . Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control . So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it . Um . {vocalsound} And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this , I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be {disfmarker} wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek and trendy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um people {vocalsound} uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products , so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So want something that looks good and is easy to use , big priorities .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this . So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology . You know , it's like like I find a lot of T_V_s these days , something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can , but they have little panels where you click and there's just like tons of features you go through .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So it {disfmarker} you wanna group all the different kind of types of functions together , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} I think it's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's s that's sort of the um {disfmarker} But I {disfmarker} I'm {disfmarker} my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay , well how do we collectively move on with it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea , although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles , and then use that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But not let that confine us technologically .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So Alright ? Any um comments on all of that ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , um one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um {disfmarker} who's our our target audience , our target market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use , but has y is fairly powerful product , whatever , who do we really want to aim that at ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where's the money , maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , who wou who would have the money to spend . Well i if if like twenty five Euro is our is our selling price then you can imagine ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And who watches T_V_ . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "well I don't {disfmarker} I'm not really sure how much that will retail at .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But you want {disfmarker} it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly , I suppose , they're gonna actually go out and buy one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , who do you think we're aiming this at ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market , in terms of people . 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote , how much is that lo locally in pounds ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's about sixteen , seventeen pounds , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that too {disfmarker} is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so maybe not the high end range , but maybe middle , middle up-ish . Kind of .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know how much ? I dunno I guess you pay , what , ten ten quid for a remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a simple replacement , right . I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing you just wanna go out and get ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "would you {disfmarker} how much would you pay ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This this kinda touches on your comments there , David . These are the age groups which we have information on",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and these are {disfmarker} this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on T_V_ equipment is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mostly focused around the twenty five age group .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sort of young professional , kind of . Mm-hmm",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider ? What what do you think , Craig ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition ? Sort of the the older group .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , it's the {disfmarker} Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "N yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "in terms of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we are gonna have to narrow it down , to say let's target these people and give them what they want",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and 'cause you know , there needs to be some kind of selling point to it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um anybody {disfmarker} anything there to add {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just kind of young professionals , uh th like {vocalsound} if we are going to include speech recognition , it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that . So we could say that was our target .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I think twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as a group as well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try and use your technology .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay , so fifteen to thirty five , look fairly young .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know , they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "who are familiar with their {disfmarker} with computers in in their everyday work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think people who are maybe about {disfmarker} I wouldn't say thirty five ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but people who are about forty-ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or a mobile phone or something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . But {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So these are people who are gadgety , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People who are u growing up used to , you know in schools and in universities ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "when you go on to their working lives , people who would you know regular",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So they'll not sh not shy away from something quite high-tech .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That that's that's a good point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If we can .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I think one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if we can .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because um , based on what you've go y everybody's saying , right , you want something simple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Why is that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use . Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing for somebody to use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could it be an on off thing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like if you want it on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but what I'm saying is that we're we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Where you can activate it and deactivate it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're gonna say , and then , you know , say speech recognition is good for this , speech recognition is not good for this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I suggest that we think about speech recognition ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "anyway it's a {disfmarker} it's something that can be used to fulfil a function , but at end of the day we don't look at the technology , but we look at the function first .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay , well do you wanna um give us your presentation",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then then we can {disfmarker} I don't know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss , but this is this is how we're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's good {disfmarker} well it's good to get ideas out while they're fresh in mind .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's something that's just occurred to me as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition , that's appealing to people um maybe with a physical disability as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And not losing . And also it helps in terms of people not losing this ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know they {disfmarker} they're saying oh it's {disfmarker} I lose it in the couch .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features together",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing , so you end up yelling at the control for hours .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Channel up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh really , you've seen one before .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating it though ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it'd probably quite expensive to put in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , do you mind passing me my notepad .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Course not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Cool ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um . Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well this is just the working design um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well this is just what {disfmarker} how I would go about it . Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now , try to define what we're trying to get done . Um I think in a practical way , we kind of know what it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've used it , we're familiar with it , but we're {disfmarker} we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil , like {disfmarker} Besides the basics , I think back {disfmarker} in the back of our minds we know what the basics are . Has to change channels , has to change volume , but in like specifics , right , which one of the basics are you trying to target . Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and I just {disfmarker} the idea is just to get everybody to um {disfmarker} I usually {vocalsound} have a have have a design that's there as a basic , so , you know , things that {disfmarker} to start everything going . But I guess everybody does have some idea , so I don't think um there's a need for that . Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing , so I'll go into the diagram first . It just explains how the process goes through , from a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "from the basic technology point of view , the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better . Um okay , you need some power source . 'Kay , a battery or something , to keep it going .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last . Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like for example , voice recognition , right . That might be constrained because that {disfmarker} you might need to power a microphone , you might need to power other things , so that's one perhaps constraint there . Um {vocalsound} Th Okay , the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes , whatever .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , and that um picks up an input from a user , um uh a logic {disfmarker} a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device , and the device has to r you know , based on you push button A_ , so I will do something with button A_ . So maybe button A_ is the power button , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here . Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um . It's fairly general , um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in in the way you're thinking ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like um voice recognition , right , um , if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power . So it's not really a constraint in that sense ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I mean these are functionally , you know , the base ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what the technology has to do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so I guess the rest of it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are ? I think that's more relevant to a discussion ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , do you wan do you wanna finish up your your whole presentation then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w I'm done .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are you are you all done ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "More or less . Yeah . Ps Oh , it's just putting the rest of it into words , but it's essentially the same thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um you have a transmitter , an input device , logic chip ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And like on the {disfmarker} means {disfmarker} b",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess this would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Since we're on the topic of the technology , uh are there any like {disfmarker} what are our options ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , what's what i in {disfmarker} Is this the only way that we go about it , or are there other thin",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , these these aren't technology options in that sense . This is just um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a basic principles and basic components that are needed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The basic principle of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For example , if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition , right , then your user interface would be split ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "broken down into more components , right ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which you have a microphone , the V_R_ and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So this just show how we're kind of modularising the whole thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh Yep . Yep . So each component represents one function ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I think the basic functions are the logic , the transmitter , um and the receiver , okay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and the power are things that you won't have to care about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then we'll add more functionality to it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the T_V_ for example .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red thing ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to . Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
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"content": "Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market , so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
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"content": "um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red , so we could stay with tha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There might be one other problem with the transmission , um in particular right now , since we're talking about voice recognition . Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device , you ideally want them to hold it to them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
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"content": "Mm-hmm",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
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"content": "I it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you may not require that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but you know , um it's it's",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's something very natural , I guess , you know , to hold it , to signal to the user ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and push a button maybe to start s talking about it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then you need to send the signal out , so because if you're using infra-red , the line of sight um say the T_V_'s at that chair , and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here , it blocks it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So in that sense , there's not really a restriction",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it's something which you may have to think about later on in the process .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not so much further down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um just a clarification before we finish this . Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment , so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There's there's not much specific specific information ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices . Because infra-red is something which everybody has .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . W Well well we've um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In the new requirement spec they said just to focus on the T_V_ ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
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"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just to T_V_ , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that's what we should do for now I think . Something I was wondering about was the power .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries ? I mean is that something we really want to go into , do you think ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's a there's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or should we just consider running on regular batteries ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , from from a from a component point of view there's added complexity , and you add cost to it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component . You need a docking cradle , for example , for you to put it in to charge .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or you need to get the user to plug it in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into the controller .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries , like he's gonna run through like twenty batteries a month ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then I don't think rechargeable is something we should {disfmarker} you know , we really need to care about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so just stick to to regular {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , right . So basically the um {disfmarker} I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start , was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
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"content": "{vocalsound}",
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},
{
"content": "and what exactly the product's gonna do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um just to recap on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket ? Um and also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna recap on that , Craig ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible . Um on off , up and down channels , up and down volume and uh skip to a channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ta .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features , or are we gonna eliminate those ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think we include mute , but apart from that um I think we just {disfmarker} we'll go for the simpleness .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I think",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . R is it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under {disfmarker} like sort of under a door or some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's as optional functions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause what what I'm {disfmarker} I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they , you know , w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno if that'd be a problem .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls ? Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One would be audio controls ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "one would be video controls , and the other one would be a device .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially , but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view , from a person designing the device ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think from a point of view of a person using the device , you know a T_V_ is something they see and something they hear ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off . I mean like so what we could have is like three buckets , right , where we could throw things into ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like if we want this feature , let's throw it into there , and then from there decide whether it's basic , or it's non-basic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it might help with the visualisation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , okay . Like that . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it would actually help with the component build as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm okay , great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , okay well I gotta kind of {disfmarker} got five minutes to wrap up now . Um next thing we're doing is having lunch . Whoohoo . Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage . Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder . Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next {disfmarker} well in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um for uh our Industrial Designer , you're gonna be thinking about the components concept . Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface , and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching . Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well . So um I dunno , just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , do you wanna start with David . Anything else to say at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm no , not really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , okay . {vocalsound} Andrew ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , just {disfmarker} I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up , shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed , where we think of these three sort of buckets and anything anything we discuss about them is sort of , okay , we're talking about this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah I think that's definitely a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shall we do that , then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um just about the three buckets , um what would go in the the device functions one ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um things like on off . Because they don't have anything to do with what you see . I me mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , um so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And and channel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And channel . Because the on off also goes , you know , like on off like power , not on off sound .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not on off video . Although you don't turn off the video on your T_V_ , but um you might wanna you know turn off the sound ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "say you wanna pick up the phone , there's a mute button , right , so you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Device is basically anything which we can't categorise , right . We put it out .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so you're gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and actual volume {disfmarker} hi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , anything to do with what you hear , right . You you put that into audio .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then video is anything that you can see .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and then visual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so brightness , contrast , things like that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then just actual device things ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Colour , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like what channel you're watching , turning on an off ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like random which we have no other place to put , but we need it somewhere there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure , okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's easy to use , I think that's one thing that um {disfmarker} and I guess from the component point of view it's easy to build as well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause things are like fixed . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so yeah , I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because of who we're we're , you know , targeting this at . Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe . Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to hold ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know , things like that . Um , {vocalsound} so I guess I guess that's it . That's the meeting over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whoohoo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "This meeting was about the conceptual design of the remote control. Firstly, Marketing presented on the market trend and suggested a remote control with a fancy look and feel, technology innovation, and spongy material. Next, User Interface presented on conceptual design and recommended the control itself should use an inconsistent colour scheme. Then, Industrial Designer presented on the component design and that the cost, the complexity, and the size would have an impact on their remote design and reminded there would be a restriction on grouping plastic and rubber cases together. Lastly, the group discussed remote concepts and decided to have a small size remote with the speaker, the chip on print for the power, and a rubber case.",
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"answer": "Marketing presented on market trends and suggested strategies including innovation in a fancy look and feel of the remote control, the European fashion theme in fruit and vegetable shapes as well as a soft and spongy material trend.",
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"answer": "Marketing mentioned that market research emphasized technology innovation which was the ease of use in the functionality. So Marketing suggested when they focused on the trend of fruit and vegetable themes, they should know how to fit in with something which was not specifically electronics and how to quickly create a remote in fruit shape.",
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"answer": "Because Marketing recommended the group took some features of Mac or iPod and made it a more comfortable type when associating people in terms of texture, shape, and colours. Marketing also suggested they could incorporate gimmicky features that buttons would light up when touching the button.",
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"content": "'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so in that sense {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it does kind of make sense , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It kinda does make sense , doesn't it , because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of {vocalsound} talking about action and design as opposed to background .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Everything I have is kinda background .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay we all ready to go ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well how um on the {disfmarker} in this meeting then if we um {disfmarker} I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting . And we uh decided on",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered , that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories , um {vocalsound} . And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext , ignoring everything except the T_V_ , and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan . Um so that was the last meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is there anything {disfmarker} have I forgotten anything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that everything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that sounds {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um so if we have the three presentations , and then if you have anything to kind of {disfmarker} that you know you're gonna want to discuss , maybe just make a note of it , and we'll have all the discussion at the end . That might be a better idea this time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "if that's alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and then after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff , right {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if you wanna take this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Why don't I get that {vocalsound} ? Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Screwed in quite tightly . Uh what did {disfmarker} uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now ? We {disfmarker} did we say we were gonna try {disfmarker} maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} that's kind of the end result hopefully .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh-huh . Hopefully appear in a wee second .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Come on . I think it's working .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Up there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay great s so let me just start this . {vocalsound} Okay great . So um {vocalsound} uh s move on . Uh-huh {disfmarker} oh where'd it all go ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not good . Okay lemme just see where I can find it . This looks more like it . I think I just opened up the template .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry about that . Okay alright so let's have a look here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Here we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so this was the method that um I've taken . Uh basically what I wanna do here , before we get into it uh too far , is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see {disfmarker} sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision . Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project . Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Aye a fair point definitely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general , um consumers in general , the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control , a fancy look and feel , okay , and not , it specified , not a functional look or or feel , uh b f f fancy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um however , this is where we kinda have to be very , I think , creative about it . Number two was that it be innovative . Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it . Uh and third priority uh for ease of use , so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be , um {vocalsound} quite user friendly while still having technology . So it {disfmarker} I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing , is that I think um {vocalsound} what we should think about is how the um {vocalsound} about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel , and not so much to the functionality of it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Aye right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something , you know what I mean , like , or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because obviously the thing that {disfmarker} the message here is ease of use . So how do you make innovation make something more {vocalsound} more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority . Uh top European fashion trend um {vocalsound} that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "especially in clothes and furniture . And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "do you know what I mean ? So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics . Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor , partly something like a computer , um {vocalsound} so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that would be pushing it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of , you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle , which is {disfmarker} which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case . So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode , so if we try and really capitalise on that , I think that'll be in our favour . Um {disfmarker} So these this is the summary of everything . Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to . Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen {disfmarker} it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge , uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout . That was like the number three thing . And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um that's the way I interpreted it anyway , softness in materials , shape , and function , and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion , Mac iPods ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "something which is , I'd have to say very high-tech , ten gigabytes , whatever , but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm that's true , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know what a Mac iPod is ? I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy , so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of {disfmarker} or more of like a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have . Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas , and as we get into more the more um {vocalsound} techni like sort of production side of things , that we think about shape , materials , and themes or series that go throughout . Sort of like a {disfmarker} I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all , that we agree on , uh sorta like a marketing identity . Um {disfmarker} Does that make sense ? Yeah . So {vocalsound} so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon , lime , I dunno , green colours , pe whatever , it's just an idea , 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their {disfmarker} what people associate this {disfmarker} them with in terms of texture , shape , colours , things like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that , you know something which is , like you see a lot in in other areas . Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So anyway it's just just an idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} into something which is {disfmarker} which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it . Like you know just within the simple sense , when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up , q usually the buttons light up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How can we build on that ? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Anyway those are {disfmarker} that's all I have ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Okay great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um thank you for that . Uh Craig do you wanna",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh plug yours in then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it working ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm . Not quite .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did you press F_ eight ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's probably not sending . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh something coming now , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep , there it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so think of this concept . Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again . It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls . Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there , um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um {disfmarker} So then this {disfmarker} we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons , um the shape of the control , and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them . Um they're not very attractive to look at , {vocalsound} and they're not very comfortable to hold , they're {disfmarker} I just hold 'em like big bricks , and they're very easily lost . Um they tend to be very dark colours , so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme . Um for instance , the stand-by button isn't always red , uh it really should be . It's uh something the user then uh identify with . This is a red switch off , that's how it should be . Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that , but something to look out for . Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control {vocalsound} um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The buttons should be large . They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones . They should be easy to press , very comfortable . {vocalsound} Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um {vocalsound} there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V_ on them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing . Um should avoid s things like that . Um {vocalsound} if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think it's yellow",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I didn't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the Play-Doh 's yellow {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so yellow , lemon , you know definitely food for thought there ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fantastic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but keep going",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we'll discuss it after .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden , they shouldn't be on the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um if we did decide to go for voice activation {vocalsound} there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or {disfmarker} Um {vocalsound} we should definitely avoid the big square block look . That's just wrong .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department , {vocalsound} and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Aye that's a good idea , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {gap} possibility . Right and these are problems I've had with it . Um I don't know where the slogan should go , or really what the slogan is . I think it's um , fashion into electronics .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is . I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours , but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great . {vocalsound} Lots of good information there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that that was very good ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and uh now with David .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think I'm cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle {gap} {vocalsound} of the table ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know it'd be handy , wouldn't it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "huh ? Just um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay . Let me just get this going first .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah there it is . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It takes a second , doesn't it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , that should be it . Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are . Um the components are exactly the same .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface . The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity . Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost . And the power is basically a factor of that . Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said {disfmarker} we've defined , like we only want the basic things that {disfmarker} to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide . So um you know it's just a matter of working out space .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size . These are the three things that um will have an impact on you . So just go through it in the components . Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen . I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements {vocalsound} , or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay there's an L_C_D_ display ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} um I think these are quite standard things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They're standard , aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No um they're {disfmarker} well in the sense that these are all the options available for you . I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks . It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't {disfmarker} I'm not very sure about the titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so I think that there is some restriction on um {disfmarker} I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know as opposed to two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips . The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost . Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Power consumption should be about the same . Um I think the main impact is complexity ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um and the other thing is um the power options . Um the first one is a standard battery . Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up {vocalsound} you know , a crank {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'll clear one of these things for you . Just by moving it yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but that that might be something {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources . I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which may not be a great idea in Europe or {vocalsound} any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their {disfmarker} and it's a nice sales gimmick I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's a shake it {vocalsound} it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something . You know",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you have {disfmarker} you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah yeah , I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know just to {disfmarker} if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "kind of {vocalsound} you know just uh you know um {disfmarker} so . Um okay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I know what you mean yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "my {disfmarker} from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess that's more in the sense of {disfmarker} small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit . Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it {disfmarker} um so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic . {vocalsound} Um the case {disfmarker} okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It can't be curved .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it can't be curved on the wood .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} mixing them may not be a good idea um yep . That's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right can I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh question on {disfmarker} can I ask a question ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so {disfmarker} but yeah you c ask away .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Why what kind of light do you want {disfmarker} are you thinking of ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} I mean I'm thinking it might be {disfmarker} That {disfmarker} for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Illuminate the buttons . Yeah it glows . Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that's what everybody does . Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a phone , yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you could trigger that to a light ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like I said the bouncing ball thing , or you could trigger that to use that to power the light",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so when they pick it up , right , and then that that sorta triggers the",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "glowingness .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay um well {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start , and just giving an id idea on the time , we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most . So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an {gap} decision on the the the concepts of the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg , and the corporate colour , and things like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I mean what does everybody think about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does anybody have any ideas of {disfmarker} about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} I think we could go for like um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape . Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe {disfmarker} do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay . Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think he made that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whose {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and when the corporate colour is yellow , I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And then obviously the uh the materials {disfmarker} when it {disfmarker} has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? That's all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um {vocalsound} the look and feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion , then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize . Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the {disfmarker} on the um {vocalsound} the colour ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you said company colour yellow . I mean if we think of something , like I was saying also lime and lemon you know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "what {disfmarker} can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series . We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "shapes and things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is there a particular shape that you're interested in ? Like does marketing have any research on {disfmarker} does it need to be long ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does it need {disfmarker} with a square thing wha",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh you know like in circular in shape or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Choice of material yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like fruit . {vocalsound} I'm thinking fruits in my head , but that's tacky .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well {disfmarker} you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels {disfmarker} it feels kind of warmer to the touch . It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it . And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well I'm {disfmarker} do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no no not at all .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "no I don't think we do either {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's more more just that we we think about like what it is we're trying to achieve , so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay right well um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you know what I mean ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A snowman shape ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand , and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . That's quite a distinctive shape ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that would be good",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wouldn't it . Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so yeah should we go with that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna draw it on the board ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can you like {disfmarker} yeah just t we can visualize it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh that'd be good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or uh you have volume controls about there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So call it the snowman-shape trademark {vocalsound} . Yeah that's cool . Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think ? I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere . I mean do you want the whole thing yellow , maybe like yellow and white {disfmarker} do you want something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this {gap} here , had a sorta background yellow ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay cool . Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ? The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something , I dunno . Or when you like {disfmarker} or if you turn it off or something {disfmarker} if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that might scare me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I d I d any thoughts on that at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that'd probably scare me . You turn it on your control possessed s {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I know . Um unless an a I mean if you {disfmarker} also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L_C_D_ display , where would we put that ? Would we put that on the inside or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we need an L_C_D_ display ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What what's the functionality of that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but the question is what are we using it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What would it achieve ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} L_C_ well I'd {disfmarker} when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about . And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so um it's a bit nuts to get the {gap} Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm oh yeah that's true . Yeah . So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display , but um it's {disfmarker} what's what what would it tell the user ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think that would make it very complex .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm not real",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have the option of the speaker as well {disfmarker} the sa the same thing goes for the speaker , is there a need for the remote control to to talk back ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if there is really ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "no um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would say no need for a talk-back . Uh does anybody disagree with that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You could put a game on it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Easy {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "When the T_V_ dies you can play with the remote control {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um right",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities , um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman , body of the snowman , inside of the snowman , is that what you're thinking ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "B um I think the {gap} we had were fairly basic ones , they'd have to go on the the front somewhere .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay right um what else do you need to talk about ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well i I was just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Where would you physically position the buttons ? Um I think that that has some impact on on on many things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um maybe you wanna draw onto the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'm just gonna um pop this in here 'cause I have a slide about decision making which I'd forgotten about .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh sh God we've got five minutes um okay uh back we go . Um energy what {disfmarker} do you think that's suggesting we're {disfmarker} how we're powering the thing ? I really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you'd have the back-up of the battery , but have have kinetic power ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean what does anybody think about that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I've had kinetic things before , and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you're committing the user to moving it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , like I said we have a h hybrid kind of thing , so it's not gonna charge the battery , it's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and watches yeah {disfmarker} Sure , okay , right , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Support for it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean just {disfmarker} it's just worth pointing out because like I've I've known I've known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it's just like magic because it's always powered and there's no battery . I've also known people to have {vocalsound} things like like a jewellery watch they wear from time to time , and they eventually just say it's just too much of a nuisance because I don't wear it all the time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like remote control is similar , you're away on vacation , I dunno whatever , you something , and it just starts to get worn down .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well I suppose that if you're if you're away and you're not using it , then you're not using any power either .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we should think about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you'd have the battery as the kind of {disfmarker} to keep it ticking over idea {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm really sorry we're gonna have to wrap up quite quickly , we don't have as much time as I thought . Um so I think that's what energy is referring to here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Chip on print , is that {disfmarker} that's an industrial design thing , is it David ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um as for the case , kind of discussed that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And this size here , I'd suggest this be small , like quite small .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I know we're gonna have like rubber buttons that feel kind of {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think so yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um just a a lot of the um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean one of the things running through my mind right now , I realise we're being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low-tech , rubber buttons plastic frame , it's almost like we're reproducing the same old remote control that's out there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should we think about how we are actually getting this high-tech user friendly uh um theme {disfmarker} like what is it that we're u we're using to to achieve those goals ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} Okay so so backlighting , that would be good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or even a clear case . Um you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah clear ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Aye that would be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but in the dark it sort of , it's alive {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um in in a slight subtle way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S so like cur slightly transparent case , so it's yellow , like tinted yellow , but you can maybe see through it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that'd be really good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that what you mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know you have cordless mice and they don't eat that much power right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the power {disfmarker} the battery in that sense ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe you have one or two stratig strategically placed lights",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Yeah they they emanate a light through it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow , doesn't make it freaky .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lights .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm . Um and then the other thing that we we're s we've committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity , and so I'm thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like um some kind of an innovative concept about how the um the volume and the channels are controlled , 'cause that's the main thing people will f wanna do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could we use like a jog dial , like a nice just sort of round , somewhere on it where you just roll it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The question is when you're rolling it , how do you wanna roll it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you want 'em to roll it like that ? Do you want 'em to roll it like that ? 'Cause in a mouse your hand's in a position to roll it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way , it tends to get moved accidentally .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that , couldn't you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well why don't we do it like a mouse then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you're holding it in your hand you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a very unnatural motion to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can you imagine you have to scroll a lot . Um it might work for volume , and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but not for channels right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you have a Telewest box you've got like , you don't have to buy all the channels ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you've about fifty channels , can you imagine trying to {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and I don't think having that you know too quick too slow kin it's confusing to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , but then for um for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to uh to skip the channel button , the number part .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . But users tend to tend to want to use that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and once they lose out on the user experience they're like {disfmarker} Because that's becomes the most accessible thing in front of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But that's not a bad thing is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because when you think about it , the alternative is to go push the button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Jog dials are much easier than that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay um right well wouldn't it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You just roll .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we do need to make a decision on whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly . Um I'm all for them actually , I think they're quite {disfmarker} you know th very quick to m to use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So does anybody oppose the idea of of incorporating one into the design at all ? No . And the other thing was um can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like I mean if we if if we keep coming back to this board here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't be surprised if we could take this idea , imagine that , I dunno , that it's within the shape of the hand , it's quite small {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh ooh okay , we really gotta wrap up",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's small , and that we've got like the the l slogan somewhere like on the casing at the side ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay well if we can do that , great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well I mean isn't that what we just h said said we s just have to decide now ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah let's let's try and get the slogan on there um , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you wanna expand the shape of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then like a jo And then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like I dunno like here , in with the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That that might have one problem in terms of um in terms of whether you're left handed or you're right handed you might be locking yourself in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It would get bumped , it's {disfmarker} doesn't really fit with your hand .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Could I just could I just jump in and suggest something quickly ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right I'm gonna have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A jog di",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm really gonna have to hurry you on here 'cause we're we're actually over time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um is there anything anybody's unsure about ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ". It's kind of yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just for {disfmarker} in closing just {disfmarker} the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes , and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are gonna hopefully be doing , uh I know that the designers are gonna be working with Play-doh on that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} that'll be that'll be good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and I'll get the the minutes up as soon as possible . Anything at all you think we haven't discussed that we need to ? Is everybody kind of happy about what they're gonna be doing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think one thing would be the jog dial 'cause that's gonna have quite a big impact on the thing um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think the jog dial , you know it just after you drew that , what if it was flat and you just spun it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's what I was thinking the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that'd be great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a slide , because then you you don't have to put the hand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think incorporating a logo is quite straight forward .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's lots of space for it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's kind of a design thing that you guys can can discuss , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but it's also a a marketing and a function {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah and materials we sorta said we'd do plastic and rubber , didn't we ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I think maybe we should try and stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons , 'cause that'd just be so standard .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To make something flush with the case ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Something a bit more flush , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so that it has {disfmarker} and also t plastic I've seen can get really textured , so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sp kinda grippy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Feel like fruit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fruits kids {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They feel kind of like um , you get pens now and then that you'd think that they were rubber but they're not ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No like {disfmarker} Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "they're actually just plastic that's textured ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah kinda like that yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "kind of a little bit like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to call this to a close 'cause we're way over time . So um that's really good , like we've s had much to talk about that um pretty much run out of time to do so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So off you go and design stuff",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wooh {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Play-doh time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah quite jealous actually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You got to choose first . {vocalsound} No , we're kidding .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , can I just swipe your power cable , I don't think it matters . {vocalsound} Okay lemme {disfmarker} okay , I'm gonna pull everybody out first and then put in whoever needs to be left . It's you . Argh . This is a real hassle and a {disfmarker} oops . I'm gonna take the microphones , 'cause it's {disfmarker} too lazy t take them off again . Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
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"answer": "This was the final meeting of detailed design. To start with, Project Manager introduced the planned scheme of the meeting, followed by User Interface and Industrial Designer indicating the possible changes into an LCD screen and a jog-dial. After that, the group continued to talk about the slogan, the button size, and the button color. However, considering the budget, they consistently abandoned some of the designs. These included kinetic power, rubber material, LCD panel, advanced chip, and special colored buttons. Marketing moved the discussion to evaluate the current design through collectively rating from one to seven. The final part was the project evaluation, including the system, leadership, teamwork, and tools given.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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"answer": "User Interface indicated to have a simple LCD screen to cut down the budget, while Industrial Designer suggested the application of a little more complex LCD panel, like the number pad, could display the advanced functions possibly used by the users. Marketing and Project Manager agreed with Industrial Designer. Next, the group turned to discuss some details, like the total size for the button, and the various functions of the button as well as a jog-dial.",
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"answer": "The button was red with a width of three centimeters and a half. As for the function, it could be used as a confirm button for the LCD screen and a power button if the user held it for around two seconds.",
"query": "What was the discussion about the button when talking about changes in the current design?",
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"answer": "The jog dial can be used to control volume, contrast, brightness, channels, auxiliary inputs, color, sharpness, sound, audio, left-right balance, and pre-programmed sound modes.",
"query": "What was the discussion about the jog dial's function when talking about changes in the current design?",
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"answer": "Project Manager wanted the members to evaluate the whole process of the project, such as the system, leadership, teamwork, and tools given. The meeting system was considered creative yet inefficient as the early designs were found generally out of budget. As for leadership, the process was a bit too structured. As for teamwork, additional communications like the quick talk could further prompt the current system. Besides, the tools given were criticized for the isolation of each's tasks and thoughts.",
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"answer": "Marketing thought Project Manager's system was fairly institutional with a central point of creativity, but the group ought to focus more on the stylish look and technology and make a proper consideration on the budget.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought the meeting was not friendly to the brainstorming. The restriction was not about the atmosphere but related to the actual environment and the limited time for discussion. Besides, the interaction was structured, meaning each individual took charge of one particular task without enough collaboration between each other. Also, communication through email was inefficient.",
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"content": "Okay we all all set ? Right . Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting . Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design , the user interface design , and we're gonna evaluate the product . And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control , like absolute final decision , um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report . So um just from from last time to recap , we said we were gonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L_C_D_ display , no need for talk-back , it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh with rubber buttons , maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shine through the casing , um hopefully a jog-dial , and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well . Anything I've missed ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-oh . This is it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ninja Homer , made in Japan . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , there are a few changes we've made .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , well look at the expense sheet , and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so instead we've um {disfmarker} this is gonna be an L_C_D_ screen , um just a a very very basic one , very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm um button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , apart from that , it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions ? the advanced functions are still hidden from you , but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Where are they ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um they're in the L_C_D_ panel and the jog-dial ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay 'cause {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So w what kind of thing uh is gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The L_C_D_ panel just displays um functionally what you're doing . If you're using an advanced function right , like um c brightness , contrast , whatever , it will just say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know it's like it only has four columns , it's a very simple L_C_D_ like , whereas many {disfmarker} the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It might even be one , a bit more complex L_C_D_ panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the , you know , the the symbols of the various functions .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , and what is this here ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a number pad .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so the number pad is {disfmarker} 'Kay , great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Where are we gonna have the slogan ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um they're al along this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know , just like right inside there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You have this space here , and then you have this thing on the side as well , or at the bottom .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause slogans are usually quite small , right ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "they're not like huge",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so they're s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Say a button's about",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Looks good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "say a button's about this size , right , so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan , say even for that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if this isn't to scale , what kind of dimensions are you thinking about here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well {vocalsound} we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a finger",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button , so one two three four centimetres . Plus maybe half o five",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "six seven eight ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "About nine in total .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Six , seven , eight , nine , ten .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "about yeah nine total .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we're talking about ten centimetres .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would be good . So ten centimetres in height .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nine , ten . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That'd be good , in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually , so that would be {disfmarker} that sounds like a really good size , if you see it there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's great and it's very bright as well . So um okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Is it possible {disfmarker} uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours . Is these are these the colours that {disfmarker} of production , or is this just what we had available ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I'm {disfmarker} We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "could you just list all the things that it does s so I can write them in the report .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But um {vocalsound} this button um , because it's red it's sort of very prominent , we're gonna use it as uh {disfmarker} it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the L_C_D_ screen",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and you use this as a jog-dial .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so that's like an okay button , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh we've discussed how h high it is , but how wide is it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How high is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No as in the height , but what about the width ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh oh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Didn't put five centimetres .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like depth of the actual thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we need five ? I don't think five is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "be about th three and a half .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Something by there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you can power on and off , what else can you do ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Three and a half .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , were gonna have the volume control here , but um because we've got the the L_C_D_ and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay jog-dial for volume . And what else do you do with the jog-dial ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um you can use it for um more advanced functions like contrast , colour and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Contrast , brightness ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , and anything else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions , um we didn't actually go through and specify the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well of the designers what are they ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh what can a T_V_ do ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay things like um brightness , contrast ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um maybe tuning the channels .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay channel tuning .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's a good one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What else ? Um the various inputs . Are you having a V_C_R_ , are you having {disfmarker} you know which input do you have ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay auxiliary inputs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "probably colour or sharpness .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep , colour , sharpness . Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sharpness . Okay what about uh sound settings",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "? Uh d can you change any of those at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Audio .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Audio , we have like your basic y your base , your mid-range , your high range .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} the the balance hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , left-right balance , um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes , like um the user could determine like a series of sound modes ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is there anything else at all it can do ? That {disfmarker} 'cause that's that's fine . Just need to know so I can write it down . Okay um right I g I guess that's it , so we can now um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing , and see if we need to um if we need to rethink anything at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So um for this first part here power-wise , have we got battery ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do we have kinetic as well ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "just battery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We need an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that's because of cost restraints is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah advanced chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um what about the electronics here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We need an advanced chip I think , yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Advanced chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let me just confirm that . Yes I think so . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um the case , what does it mean by single and double , do you know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we want double-curved ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um and we wanted special colours didn't we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I'll have to put that {disfmarker} Oh no wait we {disfmarker} ho how many colours have we got there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For the case itself , one colour . It's one special colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just one colour , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause the case unit itself , the rest of our components go on top of it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so interface-wise , is it this third option we have , the two of them there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . One and the L_C_ display .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay and then buttons , we have what , two colours ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How many {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we have um got some push buttons as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or even clear .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've got push buttons as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like uh oh wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure if that counts but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons , so maybe four again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can see we're we're all very far beyond the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So w why are we arriving at the number four ? Where does the number four come from ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're just estimating that yeah it would be less .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we're writing down four . {vocalsound} Okay . How about these ? Are we wanting them in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no they're just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is everything gonna be plastic ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we're w w quite far over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now we're gonna {disfmarker} something's gonna have to go . Um we're at sixteen point eight and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh how mm-hmm {disfmarker} how are we going to achieve this high-end product if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we h something has to go to the tune of two point t three Euro ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We only have very sparse {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so let me see , what are we {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two point three ? Four point three no ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "oh yes sorry , four point three . My maths is all out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we could take out ones by making it single curved , just fill in those bits .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How much would that save us ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then where is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How much would that save us ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That will only save you one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That is one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The other thing could be that um you could take away the L_C_D_ panel and the advanced chip together ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um because when you do something on the T_V_ , the T_V_ responds and reacts as well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so the user could be looking at the T_V_ and pushing his thing so we may not need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's fair enough , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so when we scroll we need just some way to get the T_V_ to respond ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which I think is a technically doable thing so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So w what's our reviewed suggestion ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um take away the L_C_ display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . And the advanced chip goes away as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To be replaced with a",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Regular chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "regular chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So what that means is that um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And so we've got point three to get rid of . Um and we ha where are the four {disfmarker} the four push buttons are where exactly now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The twelve buttons that you see there {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twelve buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button things underneath so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Functionally you're gonna have to intercept {disfmarker} So four is a good estimate for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you can't actually cut {vocalsound} {disfmarker} It's like three times the number of buttons , four , eight , twelve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like is is that one big button or is it twelve buttons ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone , underneath there's actually one button underneath , it's just that the panel itself is a single panel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "how can it be something in between ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "well we have point three to get rid of somewhere .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We just report that it has to be over budget {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or the colours , you could take away s colours for th for the buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No can do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we could just go with um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah w",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Normal coloured buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well do you want colour differentiation here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that's not the button we're talking about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah sorry yeah then . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the buttons only refer to the pad so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should we take that off uh ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hey it's back to the original .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons , so that might be some some way of cutting the cost .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , ach that's a shame . {vocalsound} Um right , so take away that completely ? Ah . And now we're under budget . So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I reckon {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How about with embossing the logo , isn't that going to cost us some money ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't say so . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's a freebie .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's a good idea . Just one ? Does that mean that one button has a special form or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {gap} there's just one button so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "handy {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well well there we go . So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now . So we're not gonna have the L_C_D_ anymore , and we'll just gonna have an on t on the T_V_ it'll show you what you're doing , which I think is fair enough , and so this is gonna be one big thing here . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by profile ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sort of flat as possible .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You see I envision it as being um quite deep",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sort of {vocalsound} deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's what I was thinking , to",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three D_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure , okay . Yeah alright yeah fair enough .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , just thought I'd ask .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So there's one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you might want to add in the report , length , width , and height .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So just to well to be thorough then , width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay and then so height-wise {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How how tall do you envisage it being ? About that big ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it works , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "About two centimetres , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two's not very high at all though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is about this is about two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a bit higher ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Slightly more than two , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "See , about that thick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Ach , that is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe closer to three even or two and a half .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay we'll s we'll say two point five . Okay um so we have it within cost anyway . Um so yeah project evaluation is this point . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right uh . Okay so can we close that ? This is what it's {disfmarker} the final spec that it's gonna be . Someone is gonna have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah that's fine that's fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um it's probably just {disfmarker} I dunno if it's worth getting into , but um just in in that we want this to be stylish , should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid , because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid , and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that's something that's very hard to catch ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the look and the colour is something which is cool ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "then um {disfmarker} because when you put it on the shelf {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What about button shape ? Square buttons ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change , rather than rather than positioning ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause I think positioning is {disfmarker} we're kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "pad .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right um . So at this point we uh , let me see , discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um with these four points , with the room for creativity in the project , and leadership and teamwork , and the stuff we had around us I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , let me see uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you want me to d um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do you want me to do my um design evaluation last ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should do the design evaluation first .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah I wasn't really sure what that was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Evaluation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": ", yeah go for that first . I wasn't entirely sure what uh {disfmarker} who was supposed to be doing that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but y you go for it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Um , alright so the way this works , I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll try and do it as quick as possible .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , this is um {disfmarker} I'll just go over your head if that's okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think you need the power ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , that's okay that's okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't need the PowerPoint ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , the power cord itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh {gap} course ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so then you have a bit more freedom to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah that's true . Let me get that . A bit more .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You you still have your blue fingers .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so what this is is a set-up for us to um uh use a kind of a like a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Is it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You killed a monster .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The idea is that I've set up {disfmarker} I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning , and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan , and uh so we can review that . Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but {disfmarker} Doesn't seem like it's going , does it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh there it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay great . Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board , so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um {disfmarker} sort of review where we stand with it . Okay , so um {disfmarker} So to sort of b bring together two things , sort of design goals and also the market research that we had , uh when we rate this , one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay . So these i these i th are the {disfmarker} and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this , so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? So the first one uh , stylish look and feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I rate that pretty highly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , I mean compared to most remote controls you see that's pretty good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno like a six or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What does anybody else think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um me uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm seeing five then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you guys think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say five or six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep I'm fine with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "David ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay let's go with five then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fi oh uh just actually the opposite .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's one to seven , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorry then",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it meant three ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": ", then I would say two or three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wait , what's the scale , one to seven , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one is high .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One's high-ish isn't it ? Ah , okay so yeah , two or three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it's upside-down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's go with two point five then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {vocalsound} control {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "high tech innovation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well it has the wee jog-dial",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We had to remove {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so we've had to remove a few of our features we wanted ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but jog-dial",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Say it's more",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'd go with three or four ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'s good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eight",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "medium ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "maybe three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but going towards a little bit higher than medium kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah about three , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "three ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Style reflects a fruit inspired colour , design .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lemon .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I shouldn't have said colour , but just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the blue the blue colours and {disfmarker} don't re don't actually represent the colour ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well that's kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorta .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "except for the b the the red button ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they {disfmarker} because for want of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But the yellow , I mean it could be a lemon yellow colour ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah , could be . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the the yellow is more representative of the colour ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "couldn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but the button itself , the blue can be anything else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay so we'll go two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Okay , and um design is simple to use , simple in features .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , I mean it's really basic looking isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F f yeah f fairly basic ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean I'd give that nearly a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you guys think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that's fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one ? Okay . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound} soft and spongy , have we achieved that ? We've used mostly plastic in the end so it's going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think it's about five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Five ? That's really low .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah well we have to use uh plastic",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I suppose mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it's probably gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , company logo .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it ? Was that an option ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it'll be cost prohibitive ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think I'd probably increase the cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It would cost more than plastic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've only got {vocalsound} like what , ten cents left so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , logo , we've got it in there , haven't we ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Gonna have that on the side , aren't we , like there or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh . And um it's within budget , yep . It is , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we can say then that uh out of a possible {disfmarker} or what would be our goal here ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Out of forty nine , I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , out of forty nine with with zero being the highest . We are at uh two , seven , eight , ten , fifteen point five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'S pretty good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's pretty good . Translates to something like about approximately seventy two percent efficacy of our original goal . Right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think 'cause if you turn that into a hundred it would be about",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Twice that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "about thirty one ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "about thirty one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then invert that , it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So yeah ab well yeah about sixty nine , seventy percent yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , about seventy , yeah seventy percent .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's pretty good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , good . That was just a little formality for us to go through .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep , oh hundred pound pen . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry {vocalsound} {vocalsound} alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nobody saw it , honestly . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The cameras did . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that you all have all finished , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's that's me . I did have one other um one other frame I thought , I mean I I d not knowing how we would deal with this information , I thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design , revisiting our original goals .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not something I need to p push through , but I thought should we thinking more about the dimensions , um sort of like more of a three dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could our design involve a series of colours so that it's more of like a line where we have like sort of the , I don't know like the harvest line or the vibrant ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno the {gap} {disfmarker} Whatever just some theme and then we have different tones , lime green , lemon .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just discussion . I mean obviously we can just abandon this , it's fine . I'm just thinking about what we originally set out to do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , yep so there . That's all .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , great um are you submitting the the um evaluation criteria or am I ? I don't know what your instructions have been .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think to record it and uh I haven't been asked to submit it yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh just wondering if I need to include it in the minutes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because if you're submitting it anyway then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I will , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It keeps getting too big .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Um right , uh well next up then , because we've done finance , is the project evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay I'm I'm listening I'm just trying to incorporate the logo into the the thing , so I'm playing with the Play-Doh as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just in case you're wondering {vocalsound} , why is he still playing with the Play-Doh ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just about right",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "L_E_G_O_ Lego {vocalsound} . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My leg . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay . Um well do you wanna um just individually say what you think about about these four points and {vocalsound} {disfmarker} or not those four points , my four points , sorry , forgotten that . {vocalsound} You got a different uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . I like those printer cables that just have the two little butterfly clips like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , they're good aren't they , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's really quick .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um yeah here we are . Uh as a note we'll do this alphabetically . {vocalsound} Um do you wanna start Andrew ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure , um so what is it you're asking of me now ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , just um your opinion on those four those four points really and how we used them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or sort of our work on setting this up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , is it {disfmarker} uh okay I'll just go through your system then . The the room uh is fairly institutional , but um the main thing is , I think um our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to um have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion , you know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "as in other words this this room is sort of a centre point of creativity , whereas in reality as we've gone through this , it's not really the centre point of creativity , it's more just a",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well d do you feel though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the thing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "d debating {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah but that's just the thing is the quest in terms of the the first point there , the room , it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave , and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I don't I don't think it means the room as in this room . I think it means like you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , oh right right , oh right okay room for creativ",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right I just looked up and saw okay whiteboard , digital pens , the room .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Room . Oh yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , of course , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I dunno do you th I think it means um I think it means did you feel you were able to give creative input so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Huh . Yeah . Yeah I th okay on th um yeah dif answering the question uh in those terms I'd say that actually there's sort of a tease of creativity because we're asked to work through this , but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of um okay fashion trends , say fruit and vegetable colour scheme ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but then i then we're told okay use the co company company colours .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what do we do . We're told okay um think in terms of style and look and feel and technology , but build something for twelve and a half pounds ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so actually the creativity was more more of like a um a f sort of a f formality then an actual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You feel like you're caged within whatever y",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah within the constraints",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like a balloon in a cage , it can only go so big and not hit the side .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The constraints do come in very fast .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay uh do you know what ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "actually let's take each point and everybody discuss it , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So still on the topic of room for creativity uh next up is Craig .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I agree with his point it's um it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right , gotta cut everything out 'cause we don't have enough money .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think another point is that the meetings um are more brainstorming sessions than meetings ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so time is also a very s um strong factor , and structure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to {disfmarker} allows ideas to get tossed , um to be evaluated , and to be reviewed , and to get feedback and come back .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that , I think that's a very big thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and I think the fact that we're wearing these things restricts {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I feel it 'cause I wear m my glasses , right , and that but that irritates me right",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it it it does actually you know affect how , w whether you feel comfortable to communicate .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . New creativity .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I feel like I'm hiding behind the equipment , rather than the equipment is helping me , and you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive to creative thought or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not not so much an atmosphere , the atmosphere is very relaxed , but the the gear",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but actual environment ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah you know that creates boundaries to that um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and and the time the time given also restricts {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very good . Um what about leadership ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if that means like , if I did a good job or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't really know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well well I mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction , encouragement {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "From like your personal coach person and stuff like that , do you think maybe ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah from {disfmarker} and you as well I think , just sort of acting as team leader .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah I think I think it's",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it's good . I mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of um gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation , but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , innovative thought with . In in reality I think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your {disfmarker} the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a {vocalsound} quite a con confining framework to work within . And so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's not bad leadership , it's just sort of s fairly strong , you know . It turns it turns the individual into more of like a um sort of a predetermined mechanism , as opposed to a sort of a free {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you think maybe a little too controlling or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , oh yeah , without without a doubt .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think controlling is not the right word , I think the interactions are very structured .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe not co confining .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think structure is probably what you're saying that , each individual is structured to one particular task , and one parti rather than controlling .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think there's a sense of control 'cause all the decisions have been made in terms of a , like a consensus right , we go around and we think about it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't tell you , you know , some ways that you might wanna be a bit more creative in terms of the process you know , not the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , uh what about teamwork ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um did , you wanna comment Craig ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , reckon that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them , that would've been a lot easier .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think you tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fully agree .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but um it just comes back to us so slow in the email",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um it it doesn't have a , you know , a messenger will go {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did uh did you guys get the email I sent you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not just yet .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I was wondering if that got there okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , got the email .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um so um to s to to summarize the teamwork issue , saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting , you know just like quick questions , quick thoughts , whatever , it probably would be bit easier .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the tools that they were given , the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they don't support collaboration , I think that's the word .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , in it {disfmarker} Mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They don't support the team working together , you know ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm , mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "exactly . Yeah , I mean if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they're still very individual tools .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean sort of taking upon that idea , w the way I see this i is that it's uh the the s the structure in which we've we've approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of um divided , and then the work went on in isolation",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I don't know what you guys did while you were together , maybe that was a bit different ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We had Play-Doh fun {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but um yeah , but um but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay , first thing we have to do is come up with um let's say um a design concept , and we sit here together and do it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well that's what teamwork is . To s to say okay go off and don't talk to each other , it's actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um not that we haven't done I think the best we could have done .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not dissatisfied with it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , uh anything else to say on teamwork at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , not really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um what about the you know how we used the whiteboard , the digital pens , the projector , stuff like that ? Um did anybody think anything was like really useful ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "anything was pretty un f {vocalsound} unsupportive ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the whiteboard , for me , is the kind of thing I would use all the time , but it's um not quite as useful as to us as it could have been , maybe just in the way that we we use it , in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings , that could have been up on a board uh you know as opposed to in like in text .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that . I know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fibreglass prototype and it's completely you know um abs abstract from the final product , but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and point and discuss",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah . And point at ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and and and in a way everybody's {disfmarker} as we discuss things in the {disfmarker} in theoretically and out of our notebooks , we're just {disfmarker} we're actually just each of us discussing something that's in each of our own minds . It wasn't until we had this here , you know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like at one point I peeked across and looked at Craig's paper and I'm like , now I know what he's thinking 'cause I saw his book .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the b the b whiteboard could've actually been this kind of continuing um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process woulda been a good idea ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Think could be , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think um the the focus of it a lot was the PowerPoint as opposed to the to the whiteboard ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and I think that m um is also does you know hinder us and things I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the the PowerPoint ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or maybe the whiteboard and the PowerPoint in the same place ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know in the centre of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because the PowerPoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare , whereas I can imagine if I'd been encouraged to use Paintbrush , for example , or whatever , I would've actually used it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um 'ca you know , just 'cause that's sorta how we {disfmarker} what we were set up to to use while we had our time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that there were too many PowerPoints in the meetings {vocalsound} . 'Cause the plug-in and the plugging spent {disfmarker} we spent a lot of time doing that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And a lot of the information on the PowerPoints , I don't think , you know , we needed to actually {disfmarker} it could have , we could have gone through it {gap} verbally ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , not quite .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "especially my slides ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I felt that they just you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to having to present them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What about the digital pens , did you find them easy enough to use ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep clunky .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sure , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh they're a bit clunky .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Agreed . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Clunky , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well , 'cause you're half way through a thought , and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know , I think at the very start of today I like wrote a whole load of stuff , didn't click note on one ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page , but then did click note , and so I'm quite worried that I've just written over the top of it or something ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but they'll have my paper anyway um and haven't done that since .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I think the pen is v is very intuitive , everybody knows how to use it , we don't {gap} have to worry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I think the pen's good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's about the best thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And o on the topic of the technology , it just occurred to me that we actually didn't need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It just occurred to me that they all {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we only needed one computer and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We only actually needed one computer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If there had been a fifth , that coulda just been sitting there ready to go the whole time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the computer may not um be conducive to a meeting because um you tend to look at your computer and wanna have the urge to check something , you know ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's useful but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think too many computers are just distracting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I know I I like to have things written down in front of me actually , like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me I ended up you know like writing down there or something so I could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um I don't know about anybody else .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} what else uh any wh I do I'm not really sure what they're looking for when they say new ideas found . Um I don't know is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is this for the project or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "could you think of like anything else that would have been helpful today at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , the w main one for me is that uh the process na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves from each other .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah if we just had uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , that's kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea , well you know it's kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project when when you're told you must now work away from your team .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah I I dunno I think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience with meetings is that they really do , and you can spend a lot of time talking about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design , I thought there {disfmarker} maybe another fifteen minutes would have been useful there but um {vocalsound} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I really thi i I think maybe if we'd like all been working in the one room , and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know just have a have a short meeting and then just c",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just to have like something written down , just like you know a a milestone if you like um rather than having meetings , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There you go . Um so in closing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I haven't got my five minutes to go . Thin Oh there it i Five minutes to go . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wonderful . Okay um are the costs within the budget , yes they are . And is the project evaluated , yes it is . So now celebrate {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And we have Ninja Homer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} So now we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well apparently now I write the final report . What are you guys doing now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we know what the other ones are ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You dunno ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh wow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That is lovely . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hey yeah , I said Ninja Homer . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What did you call it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ninja Homer . See it looks like Homer Simpson",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh , huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but it's electronic so it's made in Japan .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So is that j is that just is that just a logo or does it do anything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Logo .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah it's just a logo .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just a logo and then like Ninja Homer ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ninja Homer . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you wanna print on the side of it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's quite nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fashion technology or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You can wear Homer ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you can throw Homer when you're frustrated , doh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , hmm , hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , that's cool , it's got {disfmarker} I'm kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's clunky .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm slightly gutted that we couldn't get plastic and rubber , I think that would have been nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ah well , maybe from now on real reaction should give us more money .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I did learn something new , Play-Doh is useful .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it is it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Play-Doh s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is useful and in in in in in in in um conceptualizing , in being creative .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause like you say , it's something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense for .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like we were playing with the Play-Doh and the ideas came with the Play-Doh rather than with everything else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did they ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You might wanna write that down . It's just , I'm just fiddling with the Play-Doh , and I'm going yeah yeah it's kinda cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Play-Doh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , it's true , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Guess I'd forgot how good s Play-Doh smells .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it smells funny doesn't it . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . And some Play-Dohs are actually I think edible aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , all Play-Doh is edible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like the stuff for {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think they're all non-toxic 'cause it's aimed for like two-year-olds .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it has to be , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just wheat , it's the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um so to",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow , hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wha what are your summarising words about Play-Doh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's helpful to the creative process .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um it engages all your senses not just your sight , but your sense of feel your sense of touch .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it helps you to understand",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Taste . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} dimension as well . I think that that's very helpful because it it starts to pop up ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "whereas on a piece of paper , on a computer , on a board , um even with a three D_ graphic thing it still , it requires a lot of",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , yep . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's not very tangible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah {disfmarker} tangible , that's a nice word .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It becomes tangible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tangible . Okay uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I don't know if there's anything else we needed to discuss .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nope .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That that's about it really . Just sit still I guess for a little while .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we retreat to our , to continue our",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we could probably do it here as long as we don't collaborate .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "r reporting or what i",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I dunno . Um I'm sure the little uh the little thing'll pop up any minute now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Can we turn off the microphones ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah if the meeting's over then yeah I guess so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
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|
Product
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"0",
"55"
]
],
"topic": "Self-introduction and meeting agenda"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"56",
"93"
]
],
"topic": "Project finance and the new remote control design"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"94",
"121"
]
],
"topic": "Keypad and ergonomic design of the new remote control"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team members introduced themselves and their positions respectively. Project Manager announced the plan for the three-phase remote control project. The team members drew their favourite animals to get more familiar with each other. Project Manager informed the team of their financial target, which was 50 million Euros. Each 25-Euro remote control would make a profit of 12.5 Euros. The team members had many ideas on the remote control design. User Interface recommended an integrating remote control for several different devices, as well as an ergonomic curve design. Marketing spotted a niche in the game market and thus suggested adopting a bar-code design. Industrial Designer added that the team could consider incorporating a keypad for the better game experience.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "Project Manager informed the team of their financial target, which was 50 million Euros. Each 25-Euro remote control would make a profit of 12.5 Euros. The team members had many ideas on the remote control design. User Interface recommended an integrating remote control for several different devices. Marketing spotted a niche in the game market and thus suggested adopting a bar-code design.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about project finance and the new remote control design?",
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[
"56",
"93"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface initially believed that there would be an emerging market for the touch screen remote control which could be programmed in a sophisticated way. Users could redesign their remote controls to their own needs. Remote controls originally designed for different devices could now be integrated. Project Manager, however, reminded User Interface about the budget issue. User Interface then admitted that a conventional push button would be a better choice than a touch screen.",
"query": "Summarize User Interface's opinions towards the new remote control design.",
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"62",
"77"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing noticed that gaming on TV was getting popular and hoped that the new remote control could become a specialized keypad for game players. Marketing desired buttons that would not get worn out too easily for the new remote control. A bar-code design was desirable as well.",
"query": "Summarize Marketing's opinions towards the new remote control design.",
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[
"78",
"93"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "When discussing the basic functionality, the team agreed that it was the most important to meet the user requirements. Industrial Designer suggested that the team could consider incorporating a keypad for the better game experience. User Interface went on making a contribution. An ergonomic curve design was recommended by User Interface and appreciated by Project Manager, for it would make the remote control look more stylish.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about the keypad and ergonomic design of the new remote control?",
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[
"94",
"121"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing desired to design self-intuitive buttons for game players. Industrial Designer expressed a preference for a game control keypad rather than big separate buttons. Project Manager accepted the latter suggestion, for keypads on consoles were common and user-friendly nowadays, so it would also be feasible to incorporate one on the remote control. Besides, Project Manager pointed out that a keypad would allow easier navigation and be used as a joystick.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the special button design for game players when discussing keypad and ergonomic design of the new remote control?",
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[
"78",
"93"
],
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"102",
"110"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "According to ergonomics, the remote control was expected to fit as comfortable as possible into the hand. In addition, User Interface hoped that the remote control could have an unconventional and attractive shape. A small and stylish curve was User Interface's final choice to make the remote control look more unique.",
"query": "Why did User Interface think of a curve design when discussing keypad and ergonomic design of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"111",
"121"
]
]
}
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{
"content": "Okay , well I think we're ready to begin . Right , my name's Adam Duguid , we're here because of real reaction , um , we have in the group",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye . Would you like me to spell that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "go for it mate .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , N_E_Z_",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "N_ E_ Z_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "E_R_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ebenezer . And your role is ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm the Marketing Expert .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You're the Marketing Expert , okay . Next we have ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Tarik Rahman . T_A_R_I_K_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "T_ R_ I_ K_ . And your role in this is ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer . And , lastly we have ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , Dave Cochrane .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you're going to be the User Interface ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "User Interface Defin Designer , yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "is it ? Designer . Okay . Right . This is the agenda for today's meeting . As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing . Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance . So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know . The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly . Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh {vocalsound} personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design . Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart . This is how today seems to be going to work . We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design . Um {disfmarker} First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design . Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far . Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right . {vocalsound} What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a {disfmarker} you wanna draw your favourite animal {vocalsound} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure . {vocalsound} Whiteboard . 'Kay . S okay . I will make this quick , since we don't have much time . {vocalsound} Um . {vocalsound} 'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Here we have an elephant . First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer . Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant . So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Brilliantly done . Thank you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh {vocalsound} oh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you can clip them to your belt .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we take them off ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think you ga",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You should also l um have your {disfmarker} the lapel mic on as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The little {disfmarker} The the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's good , we can clip them on . Okay . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Now where do I put the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just um somewhere {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep , the {gap} , it's just across there , that's it . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is this supposed to be clipped as well ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It'll follow you if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There you go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much . Should have good range .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh , destroying your elephant here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh , here we have a tiger . Uh {disfmarker} I've always loved tigers . They're just {disfmarker} they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was {disfmarker} looks the best , the stripes , orange . My dad used to talk about {disfmarker} he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was {disfmarker} when I was a kid . And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild . So uh that's why I like them . Didn't say an anything about me really but {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excellent , thank you very much . Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um , the monkey , um . The one f uh {disfmarker} in fact this is a {gap} somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh {disfmarker} well my {disfmarker} I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey . Um , monkeys have attitude . Which I think is a good thing . And I mean fr {vocalsound} and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting . Um , so I like monkeys . And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cheers . Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now . Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal . Right . I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it . Project finance . As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit . That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five . If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project . So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls . Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you {vocalsound} you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of {vocalsound} three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design . And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Absolutely prohibitive ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g {vocalsound} I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion . Some {gap} and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for {vocalsound} um running macros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Any takes on this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but our remote controls would get worn out really easily , and {vocalsound} the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television . They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things . Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I've heard {disfmarker} I've seen the bar-code design before ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's it's taken out the {disfmarker} Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control . I think for gaming , you know you want you want some big buttons for up , down , left and right , shoot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we can {disfmarker} we'll have to work fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so {vocalsound} we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What the user wants uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what the user wants , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , right . Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of stick on it , rather than buttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Okay , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like uh control pads , you know of games , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or is that a bit ridiculous ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits {vocalsound} fits as comfortably as possible into the hand . But of course , uh al al also allows for {gap} the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall , {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A curve ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "small , stylish , and something that's just a little different .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm . Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form , {vocalsound} uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily . I would I would have hoped so anyway . Um , right . I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here , um unless we get told otherwise , and just take the laptops with us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
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"topic": "User requirements of the new remote control"
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"topic": "The interface design of the new remote control"
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"topic": "Details of button design and location function"
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{
"answer": "After Project Manager's brief review of the last meeting, Marketing began a presentation of the user requirements. It frustrated users most when they failed to find the lost remote control. The market research also revealed a necessity to simplify the remote control interface, for most buttons were not used. User Interface and Industrial Designer agreed on the intuitive interface design with menu navigation on an LCD screen and very few buttons involved. The new remote control would only be for basic functions such as volume adjusting and channel flipping. A separate joystick would be for additional functionality. The new remote control would be the integration of original remote controls for different devices. Voice recognition would not be feasible due to the budget limit. A speaker and a transmitter were desirable, however, for the location function.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "Marketing presented the user requirements. The market research results were from 100 people. It frustrated users most when they failed to find the lost remote control. The market research also revealed a necessity to simplify the remote control interface, for users would not take time mastering the remote control. Most buttons were thus unused, and teletext was outdated now. Besides, Marketing expressed a negative view on the incorporation of voice recognition.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about user requirements of the new remote control?",
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"26",
"44"
]
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},
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"answer": "The market research indicated that between the age of 15 and 25, most people would be willing to pay extra fees for voice recognition. However, Marketing pointed out that such a result barely implied users' expectation for a fancy and unique remote control. There were several problems with the existing voice recognition software, such as the limitation on word number and inaccurate recognition results due to regional accents. In conclusion, Marketing considered the incorporation of voice recognition to be unfeasible.",
"query": "What did Marketing think of the incorporation of voice recognition when discussing user requirements of the new remote control?",
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"44"
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"answer": "User Interface and Industrial Designer agreed on the intuitive interface design with menu navigation on an LCD screen. Meanwhile, the team would involve as few buttons in the remote control interface as possible. The new remote control would only be for basic functions such as volume adjusting and channel flipping. A separate joystick would be for additional functionality. The new remote control would be the integration of original remote controls for different devices. Voice recognition was unfeasible due to the budget limit. A speaker and a transmitter were desirable, however, for the location function.",
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"200",
"315"
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"answer": "Project Manager was concerned about the power required and the cost. The robust voice recognition service embedded on the computer was exemplified by Project Manager to indicate that such software would drag and dictate, but would also require a lot of memory. Moreover, Project Manager admitted that voice recognition was fancy yet unfeasible within the budget.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the incorporation of voice recognition when discussing details of button design and location function?",
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"answer": "Project Manager appreciated the idea of a joystick. An LCD menu screen on the joystick would consume quite low power. A fair amount of information could be read on the screen display. Other functionality would be associated inside the menu by traversing around. Project Manager agreed with User Interface that buttons could only be used for default functions such as volume adjusting and channel flipping once there was a functional joystick.",
"query": "Summarize Project Manager's opinions towards the idea of a joystick when discussing details of button design and location function.",
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"answer": "Project Manager thought that the interface design was still not intuitive and useful enough for now. Marketing agreed and pointed out that the present target group might be too large. Marketing suggested that the team should figure out specifically for whom they intended to design the interface in case the customers were confused about the remote control and got dissatisfied.",
"query": "Why did Marketing recommend to specify the target market when discussing details of button design and location function?",
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{
"content": "Just put it on the deskt {gap} desktop .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link . A well actually just there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Project documents ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you dump it in there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's your username ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Your username .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's your username and password ? Mm-hmm . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . There we go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . Right . Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go . So . Functional design meeting . We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff . Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting . Not a lot thankfully to say . We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well . Um it's come to my attention the following . Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet . Remote control should only be used for the T_V_ . Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues . Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there . Um . Now . Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use . So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing . Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so . Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going . Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Um , sh would you like to {vocalsound} I'll just do it from here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Sorry . Uh . Is yours the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , try second one maybe . Try it , yeah maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry . Okay , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Oh , I thought I put in my last name , I guess not , but {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh if you {disfmarker} that's all right . If you {disfmarker} do you want me to just cycle through it for you or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Functional requirement by me Ebenezer . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls . We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we asked some very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback . Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people {vocalsound} fifteen people in each group .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} So we got {disfmarker} some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost . I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , some place , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it . {vocalsound} Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext is outdated now . I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses . And if they do , not very often . Takes too long to master the remote control . I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use . We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do not like remote controls . Some of the good stuff we got . Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software . Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that . Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a green button , not everybody wants that . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Finally , my opinion .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The voice recognition thing is cool . And uh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already . It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results , but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five , channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words . For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well . I'm pretty sure people would buy it . But after a while people may wanna return it , because {vocalsound} if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels , and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time . Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that's for flickering through channels . So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it . {vocalsound} However , {vocalsound} oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on research and development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion . But if we do have the voice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of . See , you could {disfmarker} there're two options . Either you have voice recognition by itself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself . So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote . But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions on physical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that . As long as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we have the three birds , we have the design , that {vocalsound} we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don't remember {vocalsound} so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a big question . Um , will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control . {vocalsound} And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you . Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that . Uh , will people return the remote control , {vocalsound} I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . If you could uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical . So . These are things I think we should consider .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sor",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's cool ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "if you could speed it up a bit , yeah . If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry ? Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm about to end , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's cool but there are definitely some considerations .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Um . Hear from the {vocalsound} User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , you've got your presentation now ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} How did {disfmarker} where did {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's in the it's in the folder",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "is it on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "where did you get all your in information {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "is it ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There was uh a website , uh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Technical functions ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No . Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , this is a {vocalsound} brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote . As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I {vocalsound} had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance , so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "press on . I've looked at {vocalsound} looked at a num {vocalsound} uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles . Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on . {vocalsound} Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set . Um to save you getting off your backside . Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice . On the one hand {disfmarker} and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set . Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls . And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather user unfriendly interface . And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what {vocalsound} what is most likely to get used . Um {vocalsound} With uh {disfmarker} a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions . And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume . Um and if you {vocalsound} if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_ {vocalsound} D_V_D_ or uh {vocalsound} V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth . Um . My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design . Um but uh the pro {vocalsound} I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from {vocalsound} want it to do most . So , something that's uh {vocalsound} something that is more programmable , that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want . Um so that those are then immediately {vocalsound} accessible through fairly minimal number of controls , um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons , and have a disp {vocalsound} you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh of the um joystick's {vocalsound} going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do . Um , this is actually {gap} a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers , you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the {vocalsound} and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified . And so it's taking taking the lead from that . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished . Um , {vocalsound} alright . Click to save in {disfmarker} where do I have to save it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents . If you save it in there we can open it up from here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry . Shit . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are you finding it okay or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just {gap} closing it now . {gap} where I've saved it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} that's it there ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and you just click file save as .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right I'm responsible for working design , uh , this is basically the inside going on of the the uh remote control . So we have the energy source , we have the user interface , this this is what I've seen . Uh the sender will push the button , the chip will respond , uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T_V_ . So uh uh , if you go to next slide , you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface . Do we need uh many buttons , or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not . Um , {vocalsound} , or would that take too much power , would we need more um components in there to supply the power ? Um , the joystick is another thing , if we were gonna add that , um , there'd be more components to deal with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} , so uh we need to {disfmarker} I dunno exactly what {disfmarker} That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design , um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , that'll be decided , I guess . {vocalsound} Uh , and the next slide . Oh , yeah {disfmarker} Um , if you go to the next slide then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I just used the {vocalsound} it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , don't worry about it at all mate . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything . You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on . Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well . Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you . Are you {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , it's finished , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah ? Okay . Right . Um , {vocalsound} right we can probably skip that for now . So , we've had some stuff put forward , um along with the new user requirements , um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far . Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about {vocalsound} um voice activated control . However I've got a couple of worries about that . {vocalsound} The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cost . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice , I_B_M_ do um drag and dictate , but these require a lot of memory",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements . Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um that's just my view right now ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or {vocalsound} uh , interactive L_C_D_ or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a {vocalsound} a mobile phone ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That could be one possibility . Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap} I I was thinking that the remote {vocalsound} the um {vocalsound} sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um . And I think {vocalsound} and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um though I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I would agree with you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down . Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It does nothing extra .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface . Um now I mean I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or {disfmarker} and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorry , go for it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are {disfmarker} niche are we trying to market and corner . You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile . And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Most people , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose . But that does cover a very large section of the people out there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Sure . I think that's fair {vocalsound} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality . Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off , d up and down , it depends , I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then , that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control . So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do . And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and who would normally use the unit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound} I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put um I mean there are {disfmarker} like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel . You can pack all that onto was onto a single control . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But uh but the {vocalsound} but then o uh obviously if uh you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i {vocalsound} you you then get to sort of menu navigation . I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and {vocalsound} fiddly things that no one really bothers with , most T_V_s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling . Um {gap} concern about our market . Um , if we are I mean most of the uh of the replacement remote market is sort of {gap} remote control rationalisation . Um , you've got twenty different devices in your living room ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you want one wo {vocalsound} y you want one that'll do the job of all of them . Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just think that uh possibly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now . 'Fraid to say . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Does that um would that include um access to say {vocalsound} interactive functions on digital or cable ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit . Um I think that it {disfmarker} I would say that the design spec we've been {gap} with is for the television only for now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Okay , specifically television .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So the joystick is just for differentness .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just a thought . {vocalsound} Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public . Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There is that possibility , yes . B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that might be sales , who are not in this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We just {disfmarker} Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you {disfmarker} tell you where it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah , I've seen them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it it went off all the time accidentally .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the other option of course is that um the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The clapping one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "well {disfmarker} I was going to say clapping , um {disfmarker} Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has {disfmarker} of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To a television . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that could be something could um separate us a bit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And that way , because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T_V_ , again say what , it would be a small transmitter , um watch battery type scenario I would say , or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't {disfmarker} power {gap} that might be something that we could look into .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah , it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there , so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So . To go on from here . Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote . Before we leave this meeting , it would be best to say this is what we're going {disfmarker} this is the design we're gonna try and get , this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry , we're gonna go for a remote control obviously , do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels , up and down , and then , what , another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah . Yeah , I think that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're just saying volume . Should volume be important in the joystick , do you think ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , power is used like once per hour ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Vol Volume selection okay , yep ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and volume selection .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , yeah , okay okay . Yeah , um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? So we're having very very few buttons involved ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but navigation around a menu for most things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the {disfmarker} y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button . I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or vice versa .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's really irritating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly , um , so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick , you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea . Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , think so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you mind looking {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The ability to locate it again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T_V_ , just so that it says find me , and {vocalsound} what , a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit , can maybe hide it in the base .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Light bulb as well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . So {vocalsound} so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "a small speaker you mean .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Some speaker ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Speaker {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorry , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And a light bulb ? No . To flash . No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nah , you'd see it anyway , if you hear it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} E us we might be better with the sound possibly {disfmarker} we could maybe incorporate",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W those little key-rings have both ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The L_E_D_s can be surprisingly bright now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Blue ones particularly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plus that's a nice wee design touch .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "by the sounds of it , with what we're suggesting so far , your design um the user interface is still quite open , you could go for quite an interesting design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such . Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You want the stuff {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but could be something we could maybe look into .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward ? Anything that they think has been missed out . Bit of a wide open question there of course .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . 'Kay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I should just look at um the speaker , {gap} the speaker and an L_E_D_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Speaker and L_E_D_ for locating , um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Transmitter {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and a transmitter .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "transmitter {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually one one wee thought about that . Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true . Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} You know I think",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales . Quite quickly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "P",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fashion .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God {disfmarker} Real reaction , and such . So um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The slogan is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My apologies . No it could well be , I've probably missed that . Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'S also look cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that . But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company . Rather than real reaction .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm . Yeah . I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I'd say that that's us for now . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
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"topic": "A brief review of the last meeting"
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"15",
"122"
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],
"topic": "Component and interface design of the new remote control"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"145"
]
],
"topic": "User requirements of the new remote control"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"146",
"325"
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],
"topic": "Details on the new remote control style and a plan for the next meeting"
}
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[
{
"answer": "After a brief review of the last meeting, Industrial Designer, User Interface and Marketing gave their presentations respectively on components, interface design and user requirements of the new remote control. Considering Marketing's advice and the budget, the team temporarily decided on a double-curved rubber remote control with an ergonomic joystick and an LCD screen menu display. Users could program their remote controls on the LCD screen as well as using software on the computer. Power would be supplied to the remote control by standard batteries. The beeping sound of the location function could be customized. Project Manager informed the team of the plan for the next meeting. Industrial Designer and User Interface would present a prototype of the remote control. The team would also make a product evaluation.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Marketing pointed out that customers generally expected the new remote control to be fancy and technologically innovative. The trendiest shape might be fruit and vegetable. Users hoped that the remote control could be spongy. Marketing suggested that the team could decide on a shape of fruit and rubber material.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about user requirements of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"123",
"145"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "During Industrial Designer's presentation, the team was asked to choose from rubber, plastic and titanium. Marketing showed a preference for rubber. The reasons were explained when user requirements of the new remote control were presented. Marketing pointed out that customers expected the remote control to be spongy. To bring a spongy feel, rubber was the best choice. Besides, rubber was damage-resistant, and its price was more reasonable than titanium.",
"query": "What did Marketing think of rubber material when discussing user requirements of the new remote control?",
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"131",
"140"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team made some decisions on the remote control design for the present stage. The keypad was given up, for a menu display could better classify channels into subgroups. Standard components such as the conventional battery were the final choices for the remote control. The team would adopt a double-curved design and rubber material. A corporate logo would be incorporated. There would be a special beeping sound for the location function. The new remote control could be programmed on the LCD screen as well as using software on the computer. In the next meeting, Industrial Designer and User Interface would present a prototype of the remote control. The team would also make a product evaluation.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about details on the new remote control style and the plan for the next meeting?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"146",
"325"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface pointed out that the keypad might irritate users, for it was hard for them to remember the exact number of every channel. Instead, User Interface recommended the LCD screen menu display. With the menu structure, channels could be better classified into subgroups. Users could name these subgroups as \"news\", \"music\" and so on.",
"query": "What did User Interface think of the incorporation of a keypad when discussing details on the new remote control style and a plan for the next meeting?",
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"146",
"160"
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]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing did not understand the purpose of a programmable remote control. Project Manager agreed with User Interface on that if users used the remote control for different devices, they would need to program particular commands into codes on the remote control. Project Manager added that users could even make the remote control perform a specific function by looking up the function name produced by themselves, instead of looking for the command code on the computer.",
"query": "Summarize Project Manager's opinions towards the idea of a programmable remote control when discussing details on the new remote control style and the plan for the next meeting.",
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"200",
"218"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager mentioned the target market group because the team would make a product evaluation on the next meeting. Project Manager implied that the team should consider a younger age bracket, for they were most likely to be the group that owned enough free cash, and was, at the same time, prone to replace their remote controls.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the target market group when discussing details on the new remote control style and the plan for the next meeting?",
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"content": "{vocalsound} Alright , yeah . {gap} crack on {gap} . Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes . I think to sum up the last meeting , would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out . Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uh a small joystick , {vocalsound} L_C_D_ and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons . Um we were also going to use {gap} novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck , the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck . Um that pretty much sums up the last one . So we'll just crack on , um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh uh okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um uh the con today is the concep today .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This uh meeting is the conceptual design phase and is um {disfmarker} Sorry about this . {gap} . And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of , um , can we uh outsource these from elsewhere , um will we have to construct any items ourselves ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh I have a presentation {gap} I just saved it in the uh the folder .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then . Um {vocalsound} . Which one do y",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , interface concept ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's you . We've got trend watching , that's you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's uh {disfmarker} Components design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Components design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh . The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all , could be plastic our plastic . Uh but later on {gap} we found out that um it can be rubber as well , or titanium or even wood . So uh we decide what it's gonna be . Probably plastic . Uh we need the infra-red transmitter . Get that off the shelf . Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it , um could be plastic w or rubber even as well . Um {vocalsound} if you go on to the next slide . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} If you go on to f uh findings , it's like two or three slides down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , this is what I found we can use . Uh three different types of batteries . Um can either use a hand dynamo , or the kinetic type ones , you know that they use in watches , or else uh a solar powered one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Now ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the kinetic one , we've {disfmarker} 'cause that's the ones where like you {disfmarker} the movement causes it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cost is {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power , would be my one query .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's also a watch moves around a great deal more .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't think it would . Um . And solar cells , I dunno about that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh . We should probably just use conventional batteries . Um , just like in usual remote controls .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again , you'd say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah . Um . {vocalsound} And these are three different types of {disfmarker} or two different types {disfmarker} three different types of shapes you can have . Uh one is a flat one , and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved . Um {vocalsound} the materials are tha there as you can see , but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Titanium , the really strong metal , titanium ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh which would be {disfmarker} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it not also it's expensive ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and light . Uh , i think so as well , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They make mountain bikes out of that , don't they . So it's really light as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Curious . Um , I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not , the single curved and double curved , would you be able to give an example ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} T yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um could you maybe draw something ? I you don't doesn't have to be perfect , it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Well for a curved , well I was thinking to {disfmarker} f for to sit in your {disfmarker} the palm of your hand . Uh maybe like this , with the uh joy pad here . Joystick here . And maybe um an okay button around here , so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily . Um I don't exactly {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Double curved . It probably means {disfmarker} this is probably double curved . Uh whereas a single curved would be like that . I guess . Or not necessarily .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it might literally just be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two curves {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like that . Whereas this is two curves . Um {vocalsound} so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um which obviously {disfmarker} it looks better than the single curve , but uh you can't have it in titanium , which is uh a nice material . {vocalsound} Uh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and for the buttons , um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P_C_s . Uh but um it requires a more expensive chip to use , and if you wanna use L_C_D_ it's even more expensive . So you have to decide , there's trade-offs there . Um {vocalsound} if you want the buttons to be {disfmarker} oh yeah , if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber , then you have these rubber buttons as well . But {vocalsound} you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days . You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want . You wanna enter just the number of it , if you know it . So um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway . Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that was definitely something we can talk about . Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , depends where gonna spend the money if you want the f fancy L_C_D_ display .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , do you have any idea so far , like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L_C_D_ , does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount ? Or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Need an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ . Is that {disfmarker} did I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I think compared to say just pressing {gap} buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Advanced , like three eight six advance .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red , whereas I think if we're controlling the L_C_D_ we definitely require a much more powerful chip . Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay , sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If I've not over-stepped . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah i",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um should I go on , or go back ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , if we only have twelve Pounds fifty , twelve Euros , not even twelve Pounds . Twelve Euros , what's that , like eight pounds or something like that , nine Pounds ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such . I assume .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have to look into the costs of those . So , sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control . If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does , translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T_V_ . Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires uh interact with the buttons , the rubber buttons , uh to uh get sent to the chip . So that's just how the control works inside . Um we have to decide on what buttons we're gonna use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . {gap} . So in the information that you've been supplied , how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L_C_D_ looks ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I think we can do it if {vocalsound} uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic . Um and then maybe use single curved uh case . Because we might need it to be curved for the uh thumb to use the joyst joystick easily . Um and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me . Um conventional battery would seem to make sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm {disfmarker} I don't know about anybody else , but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward ? {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I also have a preference for rubber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Based on my research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well will we move on to user interface , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah ? Um sorry ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "as long as {disfmarker} were you ? Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep I'm finished .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {gap} and d d d interface concept .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh {vocalsound} and the white board",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things this time . Uh um I was given a an H_T_M_L_ file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs , and pretty much decided to just dump them all . I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today . Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes , uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand . Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on , um so that if r a if {vocalsound} so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already . Um so uh next slide , if you please . Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick , two function buttons and the L_C_D_ , just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum . I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um {vocalsound} v via via the L_C_D_ is one where you scroll through channels , so if there's something f {vocalsound} and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} digital .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "f f f {vocalsound} for di for digital or um or for {vocalsound} or for cable , whatever ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels , and then um your V_C_ uh and then the channel through your V_C_R_ and or D_V_D_ player . And or um {gap} box . So it's not {vocalsound} I'm not really excessively concerned about that . You must have two two modes , basic mode , where um the joystick's uh left right {vocalsound} left right for channels , up down for volume , um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions . Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design , um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people . Um , so you",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can I just jump in slightly there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate , then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , basi {vocalsound} basically what I {vocalsound} basically what the {vocalsound} what {gap} be having um , I would say , the the whole thing articulated at two points , so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the L_C_ {vocalsound} the L_C_D_ and the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The joystick would be in the right place . And {vocalsound} also this is {gap} a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the {vocalsound} the um you know the whole thing you know {vocalsound} it should have sort of organic feel to it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that it should be , you know , soft to touch and can be moved around all nice . Um okay",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "on to {vocalsound} on to the next uh to the next slide .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say , I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'kay basically um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I can add pretty pictures to this . The um {disfmarker} Assuming the hand {vocalsound} the hand to be in about sort of this position , um {gap} hol uh holding the remote , the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb . Um and it would need t there would need to be a {disfmarker} it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users . So . You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness . You just have big {vocalsound} two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can {vocalsound} in the upper part , one for the four finger , one for the middle finger . Um , and that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is this the joystick ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Th {vocalsound} this part here is the joystick . This would be the actual grip . Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would be probably the bulkiest part . And you then have , at the uh at the bottom , the L_C_D_ , and this would need to be articulated as well . And basically I'd want this to rest here , right at the base of the wrist . So it would fit just nicely in the hand . And again , this part could be rotated , so it can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user . Um {disfmarker} So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button . And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes . Um now programming it {vocalsound} actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control . Programming them can be a right pain . So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um a cable to connect it to the computer some {vocalsound} some fair iv {gap} fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you {disfmarker} on your {gap} computer just so that you could um pr {vocalsound} program it at a rather {vocalsound} in a rather more comfortable interface . And you could download programs for it from uh for uh T_V_s from all sort of main manufacturers . Um though you {disfmarker} i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a {vocalsound} ha have a mode for programming it without the computer , uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet . Um . But uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's that's my idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Excellent , right . Um {vocalsound} uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "File open .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Trend watching .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} So uh to gather my research , two basic methods . We compared uh whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool . And then we we research uh fashion trends in Europe , what's what's the new black ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , as it goes . {vocalsound} Next slide please . Uh we found , in order of importance , people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool . As in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot , and if it does do a lot that's a bonus , but they don't care so much , you know . {vocalsound} They want it to be {disfmarker} that's sounds a bit like a contradiction . Technology technical {disfmarker} technologically innovative . People want it to be that , but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does . So like the interface is really important . {vocalsound} And easy to use , it it just so happens that uh from the second point to the third point is twice as important {disfmarker} I mean the second point is twice as important as the third point . People want it {disfmarker} I is it has to be cooler than easy to use , you know , if it has the newest features , even if it's difficult to use , {gap} prefer it to have the newest features . And if it's easy to use that's a bonus . {vocalsound} The fashion , now this is seems a bit odd to me , but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture , for clothes , for shoes . How that relates to a remote control I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I I see {vocalsound} I come on to that in the next in the next slide . Spongy . I've als I've been saying everything's the new black . Well spongy's the new black as well . So we have the choice between rubber and plastic . If it's the type of rubber that you can squeeze , you know , it's spongy , then {disfmarker} can I skip the rest ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yeah , I forgot to mention that . The uh rubber material is the type of stress ball material , not just normal rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay , so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Forgot to say that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "kinda spongy material .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um so my personal opinion ? {vocalsound} Um we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative , obviously . But what we what we need is something that looks like it's from the future that looks cool , that's that's different , you know , that's {disfmarker} everyone has a white remote control , black remote control , you need something cool . Like , titanium is cool but it's expensive . And maybe it's a bit of overkill for a remote control . Um now the fruit and veg options , either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it . Um {vocalsound} I mean the research did come up with fruit and veg , so maybe it is important for {disfmarker} it's the up to the interface guy . So if we stay away from it , s you know stay away from it , but if we're gonna go along with it then it doesn't necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that , or a kiwi fruit . It could be something like , I say potato peeler but I'm sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than I do . So I think cool is the key . {vocalsound} Few questions about a spongy remote control . I've never seen one before . I've seen plastic remote controls . I think maybe they were {disfmarker} I don't know , back in the day when they first came up with remote controls , they had a reason for it being",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sturdy , you know . For being strong and sturdy . So um if we want something strong and sturdy , I say stay with plastic or titanium , but if we go with spongy , we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want , it doesn't matter , it's spongy material , it's not gonna break , you know . I just don't know how the L_E_D_ and the lights are gonna fit into a spongy material because it's not gonna be completely squeezable . So how do things fit it ? And if we are gonna use spongy , we can say it's long lasting , you know it's damage resistant and stuff like that , so . So just to summarise , people want stuff that's cool , that's that looks like it's cool , and if it is cool then that's a bonus {gap} doesn't have to be um people like fruit and veg . We can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it . People like spongy material . If we're gonna use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is , and how we can further promote that idea . And also , this was this year . So , things change all the time , every year you know they they always talk about this year , this is the new black . Well next year something else is gonna be the new black",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and we're stuck with last year's fruit and veg type stuff .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . That's me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , um I would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year's lead on most people anyway . You always have to bring out new designs , so if we can get next year then that's possibly a good place to start anyway . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf , so {disfmarker} I don't exactly what cost would be incurred . Um I can see your point about the number keypad , but I've {disfmarker} I would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of um {gap} boxes as well um having the use of the L_C_D_ and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , actually {gap} if you've got a lot of channels , the number keypad can be quite annoying as well , becau {vocalsound} {gap} it's you know if you're trying to remember what uh , you know , what number's the discovery channel or whatever . It's just irritating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's a good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But if you h {vocalsound} but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure , then you can sub-group them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can incorporate names into the menu . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Even news , music . Like they do on uh sky digital kinda .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what it looks like to me is we'll use a large number of standard components , um , say something like um lithium ion battery , the kind that you find in most um small hand held devices now . Um {disfmarker} Looks like we {gap} going for a double curved design . Um I don't know what cost implications there are in that . Um , looks like we're pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber . Though I'd have to say {vocalsound} depending on how flexible it is , we might need to have some kind of inner frame .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I would say definitely , I mean {vocalsound} I mean I mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically two points of articulation . W um one below and one above the m the uh the main sort of grip . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think there's any way we could maybe remove the articulation ? I can see why it looks appealing , but it could be a weak point in um the structure , do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That would be a worry of mine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you're going with the fruit and veg thing , {vocalsound} looks like a banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} I d I don't thi I don't think that it would be a {vocalsound} a structural weakness ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "F if you wanna design it that way . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean if you have a firm s sub-structure , you can then incorporate articulation into that . If you then have a sort of outer skin of mm flexible , spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know organic , and I think would look rather co I mean {vocalsound} mi {vocalsound} rather cool . I mean my drawing there doesn't doesn't do it justice , it makes it {vocalsound} makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a uh than a remote control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we won't add that functionality .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Course not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "However , one interesting point is , I don't know how serious you were there , but we {disfmarker} if we take some of the ideas {gap} why don't we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the colour of the logo ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's an {disfmarker} certainly a different colour from your average um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Make it harder to lose , as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's true . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Was there anything in your research {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The noise for when you lose the banana , um f yeah , for when you lose the remote control , {vocalsound} it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that , rather than a standard beep beep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y you know , you lose the monkey {disfmarker} the banana ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} monkey {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "y {vocalsound} you lose the banana , you press a button , and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I th uh I mean if it {disfmarker} I think that's something that could perhaps be programmable , though maybe have monkey as default . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S oh , I was gonna talk about the programmable remote control . Now I think it'd be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all T_V_s , you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But why you'd need to program it like as as a standard feature , I I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well basi {vocalsound} basically the um for {vocalsound} f for uh {disfmarker} I mean e each manufacturer will have a partic {vocalsound} will have a particular command set that uh the T_V_ responds to .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not simply a matter of frequency .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} usually what's done is you have this big booklet full of different possi {vocalsound} you'll have all of them sort of programmed in to the uh remote , and you'll have this little booklet of codes you then find your um ma uh find your manufacturer",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and try the different codes that",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "come under that manufacturer's name 'til you find the right one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's because televisions , they don't give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's that's quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that . But if we had um some sort of hook-up to your computer as an option , then if you've got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "An interesting point is that if the person doesn't have the computer , we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes , maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the L_C_D_",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then they maybe look up different names of um {vocalsound} different actual units that have been produced .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or we have the remote control just go through them until it's like does this do the correct function , and such .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it is it actually a book of names to digits , or is it like a few pages ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um booklet . {vocalsound} Some pages .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I was just thinking , if we were to store this information , some type of mapping . This person probably need to use this feature like once , you know , when you first buy the remote control , or whenever they buy a new television , so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't have to be used very often",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "once every s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it's a but it's a nuisance .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's a nuisance very close to the to um to actually purchasing it , so it's something that you're likely to be thinking about .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} If you {disfmarker} if there's w i if there's one in the shop that's {vocalsound} that says it can avoid much of that nuisance , you might be favourably inclined towards it . Um mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , this {disfmarker} {gap} just to give us a rough idea of what we're meant to be doing for the next stage .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm pretty sure that you got that anyway . This is the conceptual one . Um . I think we've come up {disfmarker} I think we've covered everything we need to here . Um I think we've decided on what , you know , decided on standard items for most of um rubber and such , so we're now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting . Um {disfmarker} So for example , um I'll just start at the top , you've got yourself and the Industrial Designer gonna be working quite closely at this stage 'cause it'll be hard not to , obviously . Um looking from {vocalsound} {disfmarker} prototyping of some des description using clay . Um I suppose you'll be told a lot more about that as uh {vocalsound} progress . Um {disfmarker} The user interface design , They're kind of {disfmarker} it looks they're {disfmarker} the idea I've pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there , whereas {vocalsound} possibly be more interested in maybe how the L_C_D_'s going to incorporate , do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um well I I think other than ge getting a sort of more aesthetically pleasing form for it , um mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are {vocalsound} are made , I would say . Um but then again , the um the menu structure to to a considerable extent that's gonna vary according to the model of television , and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate . So um and one of the nice things about having an L_C_D_ and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , that's very true . {vocalsound} Um . Okay . Um got product evaluation as well . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you see I don't {disfmarker} some of these things kinda logically follow the others . How can {disfmarker} t product evaluation , doesn't that come after actually seen a product prototype .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I think we'd be {disfmarker} yeah , no , it'd be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that's the {disfmarker} okay , sure sure sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so it'd be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out , uh maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which I suppose is quite similar .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control , what do you think of the look of it ? Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sure . At this stage we still have no no target audience or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe sixty or something ludicrous .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} the reason I'm saying that is we're just looking at a a replacement remote control , something that's stylish , so maybe you're even just maybe you're narrowing down your target audience simply by saying",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's stylish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "if they're buying it that often or they're maybe looking to replace something then , they've got a bit of free cash , so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe even single , just for the reasons of um uh excess cash flow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Although of course I mean at twenty five Euros , I don't think we're looking at charging the earth for the uh device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Think that's well within the normal bracket . Um your idea of the U_S_B_ would I think would largely depend on the cost . U_S_B_'s definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there , but it might push the cost of the overall unit up 'cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system . That one might have to be based on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Programmable memory as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The U_S_B_ for which ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "For the remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the idea was that maybe it could connect up for um allowing a software interface on the P_C_ for a larger programming",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "due to the fact that we've gone for such a nice , easy minimal design , normally . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We've w definitely talking some type of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But didn't they just say it's just for T_V_ , or are we gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's just for T_V_ , but for",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Different .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "programming it to use your T_V_ , you might hook it up to the P_C_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure , but I'm thinking maybe that the additional cost of the U_S_B_ might be prohibitive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We don't know unless {disfmarker} it would make sense to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you're gonna need some type of flash memory or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well something that doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you wouldn't have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed , you know , once you turn off the power .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The other thing I mean it I mean it would need to ha {vocalsound} it would need to have um some sort of on board memory anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um f {vocalsound} for one {vocalsound} for one thing because I do think that the menu system should be um uh I mean although you know , it's not going to be terribly complicated if it's just controlling one device , the menu system ought to be um o ought to be customisable and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Different languages , uh different skins and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . W",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . How uh how uh how you want say the um the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you've got lots of channels . That sort of thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure . {vocalsound} I if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff , that does open {disfmarker} it is supposed to be international , right ? So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It would make sense to . I would say to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It would make sense if you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and we'd better be careful about the time as well . We've already had the five minute warning ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so . Um . I would say yeah . International would make sense . Um you're gonna look at product evaluation . I'm I'd better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap . Um you're gonna look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um looks like we're gonna need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay . {vocalsound} Uh we'll see how that goes . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Are we going to be supplied with the clay is what I want to know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where is the clay ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "do {disfmarker} I think we've got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting , would you say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} they're going with the fashion thing , like the design , spongy rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The fruit and veg . This one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound} I th I think I would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I would s that would be my my feeling .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bu {vocalsound} but um but the spongy idea I like . I like it a lot .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {gap} having it i having it sort of br bright yellow I think that's quite a good idea , though maybe we could have options for colours as well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure . I mean we are trying to promote a remote control , but we wanna keep the company brand as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we always need to remember that somewhere we're meant to be getting the slogan on . Possibly I'm think I'm not sure but I'm seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . I was {vocalsound} like like I said before I I think we should have the R_R_ on the uh on the top function button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And I think that says it all really .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think so too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sa",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "See everybody in a half hour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "Industrial Designer and User Interface presented a prototype of the new remote control according to the team's previous meetings. However, due to the budget limit, the team had to give up the spongy rubber material and the double-curved design. Instead, the remote control would be made of plastic and have only one curve. There would not be any location function, either. The team decided to make the remote control conspicuous by designing a bright yellow banana shape in case it got lost easily in a room. In the product evaluation, the team was satisfied with its success in reducing the number of unused buttons. The user interface was considered to be user-friendly enough. However, the team also admitted that there was still room for improvement on the location function, technological innovation, the material, as well as the fashion style of the remote control. At the end of the meeting, all team members expressed themselves about the teamwork sincerely.",
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{
"answer": "The use of the LCD screen and the advanced chip cost the team half of the expenditure. Due to the budget limit, the team had to abandon some other designs such as the rubber material and the double-curved structure. The USB connection was not feasible for now as well. For the location function, a transmitter, a receiver and speakers could be incorporated on a TV instead.",
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"answer": "In the budget balancing, User Interface desired an articulation, which would, however, lead the remote control to be double-curved. Initially, Project Manager was not sure about this, for the double-curved design would go over the budget. Industrial Designer pointed out that a single curve would still allow the articulation. The remote control could be made in two parts and joined together with the articulation. Project Manager accepted Industrial Designer's proposal.",
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"answer": "User Interface told the team that the corporate had decided to incorporate a voice recognition chip into the remote control so that the team had to invent another method for users to locate the remote control once it got lost in a room. The team decided to make the remote control a special colour. Meanwhile, the remote control would be able to camouflage in the living room. Project Manager further proposed that the team could also make the remote control glow in the dark.",
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"answer": "In the product evaluation, the team was satisfied with its success in reducing the number of unused buttons. The user interface was considered to be user-friendly enough. However, the team also admitted that there was still room for improvement on the location function, technological innovation, the material, as well as the fashion style of the remote control.",
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"answer": "The team had decided to replace the rubber with plastic due to the budget limit. When evaluating the material of the remote control, Marketing admitted that sponginess was what most users desired, which was the feel given by rubber. Project Manager agreed. However, Project Manager pointed out that a plastic remote control was no worse than other remote controls in the market, so it would not be a step-back at least.",
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"answer": "Marketing concluded from the market research that users expected the remote control to combine fruit and vegetable elements with its fashion design. User Interface disagreed with Marketing, for it was believed by User Interface that fruit and vegetable style was not the sole criterion for satisfactory fashion design of the remote control. Instead, User Interface implicated that all designs inspired by current fashions were likely to win the users over.",
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{
"content": "That should hopefully do the trick , um . 'Kay . Sorry about the small delay . Falling a little bit behind schedule . And that's uh fifteen twenty five . Okay . So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one , um we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it ? Uh The new black , I believe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end , though we should never avoid functionality , of course . Uh many of our components are gonna be standard , off the shelf , but it seemed like we were gonna require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an L_C_D_ display . Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber , most likely gonna be double curved , etcetera . Okay . So um due to your hard work , we might as well let the uh two designers go first , and uh show us the prototype .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Quite how the best way to do this is , I'm not sure ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I think if we both step up",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh outline our ideas . Okay . Now do {disfmarker} uh doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design . Um for one thing , it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h i is down here for the uh L_E_D_ . As it turned out , the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uh function buttons and joystick , though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} ju just a thought . You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round , so that the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other . But as you as you see with the uh {vocalsound} with holding it in the left hand , the L_ uh the L_C_D_ is nowhere useful , so that would need to be articulated uh if we're going to retain {gap} ergonomic design . Um now I I got your note about uh keeping the cost down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm afraid yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We'll go into that a bit more ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} this design could be done with um with uh plastic casing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but please go on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Though I would recommend around the grip part here in the middle , having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form , and a bit more ergonomic as well . As for the um as for the single curve , um well this edge and this edge , like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it , but it's not absolutely necessary . Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this . Um and you have the uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder . So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Any further comments ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks , because it's gonna be flat on one side , so the L_C_D_ will be s sticking down like this , won't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it {disfmarker} you can't get it curved .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean the",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh because of costs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it's plastic as well , so it won't be as comfortable on the hand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to the user's hand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber , I though of was to have {gap} the uh rubber extend beyond the end of the uh {vocalsound} of the rigid substructure . So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Lovely . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah . Great . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah I've got a {disfmarker} if you load up my evaluation document .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Excellent work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh evaluation . {vocalsound} Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by . {vocalsound} Um then we will {disfmarker} it's a seven s um seven seven step kinda evaluation process . So um not seven steps , seven scale . So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria , we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype . And uh the criteria {gap} based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies , marketing strategies , and also those I put together from the user requirements phase . 'Kay . Um if you flip the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , those are the criteria . And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better , but you notice a few things that we've totally abandoned , which means {vocalsound} that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Put it mildly . So we have um true ? One , t Seven , eight , oh . Fourth . Okay , so we have to go through each point . If we imagine it's actually straight , and just give it a a score . So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost , or to be able to find them once they are lost . I mean , uh is the homing thing still {disfmarker} the locator , is that still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's still part of the design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure . And Adam , we can keep that in ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I believe so . So I mean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause that would mean doing something about the human element ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "T",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . And making it a bright colour helps",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "with the {disfmarker} personally I would have gone for purple {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Bright colour . So we still have that noise thing , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Os on a scale of one to seven , how would you guys rate it for finding {gap} finding it once it's lost ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say number one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Number one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One . Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Number number one for the first criteria .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think w if it was just the sounder then th {gap} I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile , you can hear it , but you can't quite pin it dow pin down where it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bu",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about {disfmarker} what if the the volume on the T_V_'s turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume {gap} can't find remote . Suppose you have to go to the T_V_ and do it manually . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like y you wouldn't hear the speaker {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just before we go through all of the steps here , um well what we'll do is",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You wanna say something ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate , and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that's alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's that's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so is there anything here that you that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered ? And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean cr is there anything I wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining ? Or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , a few . {vocalsound} Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion , and clothing fashion . That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion . So they say we put the fashion in electronics , well they really mean it they they're very big on fashion ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so . That's this bit right here . And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody ? I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface , so it's kinda condensed into one . And we can come back to it , you said .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No and which we will do very very shortly . Um . Okay . Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Euros over budget for what we were hoping to do . Um most of it stems from the use of the L_C_D_ which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well . Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a L_C_D_ , at which point we've removed a large part of how we were gonna interface , {gap} require more buttons , etcetera . Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure . Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're just scraping it in , we've got point two of a Euro left over there . So we're just managing it really . Even then as well , um there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate . With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to . It blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side , for example the possibility of having a U_S_B_ connection is definitely not viable now . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Different languages ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That should still be viable . We've got an advanced chip , we've got the use of the L_C_D_ . So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we're gonna go from here . {vocalsound} We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be . Um . We can I can bring the excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um . I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design , possibly meaning that the L_C_D_ wouldn't be in this perfect place . It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h {vocalsound} is have it um circular and have it s {vocalsound} so that the uh the pink {gap} actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that uh th",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It very much is about making concessions , unfortunately . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you have any data on how much um different prints cost ? I mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design um ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um b b b da is {disfmarker} you mean on the plastic , or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's have a look . You now have as much information as I do . {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So as you can see here , for example , the battery really not very little choice in that one . We've gone for one of the cheaper options as well . Unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we're gonna do what we're needing to . I've said single curved . We really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it . Um plastic for some reason incurs no cost , which I've had to very much make advantage of , despite the fact that rubber's only got a value of two Euros per unit . Problem comes here as you can see in the interface . Um if I've read this thing correctly , then we can save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button . That might make sense , because then a numeric keypad would come in at um what , four point five Euros , which is an awful lot , so that could well be wrong . Even if we save point five there , it would just mean that we're most likely placing it in actually just gaining a colour for the unit , which has had to be put to one side . As you can see , the use of an L_C_ display um advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together ? That's quite significantly expensive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} that's something you'll have to take up with the bean counters . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "as you can see I mean that's taken up well over half of the price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um I'm very much open to suggestions of where we go , but because we need to shed what was four Euros off of the um the price of for what we really desired , this one comes in under price as you can see , but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We don't even have uh speakers here . The {disfmarker} like uh we uh {disfmarker} what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that ? Have we factored that in ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh no , we haven't , not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Transmitter , receiver , speakers . Plus the extra device itself that's gonna be on a T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that gonna be a button , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That'll {gap} it literally would just be a button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We might have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's too expensive {gap} isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It looks like almost nothing {disfmarker} Mm . Oh good call , I missed that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I mean it's not on here , but um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} that's a very valid point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well that's {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if we're gonna go with the L_C_ display , then that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's a hand dyna dynamo ? You have to wind it up ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I believe so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That would probably not be in keeping with the um the fashion statement and such ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Technology . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fashion .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So basically the only new thing is the L_C_D_ on the remote now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Being manipulated by the joystick , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and joystick , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which I'm defining as scroll wheel . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we couldn't replace the joystick , right ? Because we would need four extra buttons to replace it , up down left and right , and that would be more expensive than a {disfmarker} but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be , that that's what I've labelled it for the purposes of this evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} The L_C_D_ basically is the big selling point of",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If we remove the L_C_ display , we could save ourselves",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "a fair amount . Which you could {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But that's what makes it uh original though ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think {gap} if we remove the the L_C_ display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we just {gap} we could just put our branding on any other remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Um . Uh k",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a shame . We should possibly have {disfmarker} If we could've increased the price we could've manufactured that and we could've got something far closer to what we were hoping to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does this does this bear in mind that {disfmarker} I mean it's a bit ridiculous that they're gonna charge us what is it , like this much money for three million if we're gonna buy three million components ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Again , you'll have to argue with the accountants on that one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um but for the purposes of this meeting , I'm {disfmarker} we're gonna have to stick with these figures .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , I would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we're gonna keep the L_C_ display 'cause it's about what really separates us , {vocalsound} despite the cost it's gonna incur . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "are people maybe not happy with , but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case , to keep the L_C_D_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Um yeah {gap} I mean one thing , I mean ho uh how much extra would it be to to keep I mean {vocalsound} keep the um the articulation ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's hard to tell . Um I would say that you're at least gonna take double curved ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is what I'm wondering .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and even then I'm not quite sure if that's incorporating the idea of articulation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "no , I think I I it d that it needn't require it to be double curved .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It can be s yeah , it can still be single curved ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's uh it's just {vocalsound} it's just {vocalsound} it's just that the case would come in t {vocalsound} would be made in two parts and then joined together with an articulation .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Single curved with articulation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You just {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface ? 'Cause like we {disfmarker} do we have re restrictions on software ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's what we need for the joystick I think though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah , I mean",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh but there has to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} I mean the uh I mean if you look uh if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here , the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight . Um I mean {gap} yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But the curves all o over {gap} hand ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "on the {gap} on the L_C_D_ I mean although we've done it with a curve it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "could just as easily be done um without curves . The curve that's really needed is up here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} joystick .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "to put uh to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Sure . Okay , my bad .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We wouldn't actually save a lot by reducing it anyway , so I mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think the product is not gonna perform so well for my criteria .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which is what we can get onto now . As long as {disfmarker} so are we gonna say {disfmarker} {gap} w we have to keep an eye on the time as well , but we're gonna say um single curved design {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , wait a minute . Sample speaker ? What is a sample speaker ? Is that somewhat similar to what we want ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could well be ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm no",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but at a cost of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's that voice response thing that we got the email about .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Costs four .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I thought it was just completely pointless .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You got a email about voice response ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I did not ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "B i basically it was {gap} saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could , you know , say hello to , and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah we'll definitely won't go with that one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We won't go with that one , did you say ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's voice recognition , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean I {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} Okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . So , okay yeah , battery definitely , {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it looks like we're gonna get rid of the whole loca {vocalsound} locator thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under point two Euros , um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe even slight well oh yeah , pretty much point two Euros , I'd say . So we'll leave that one for now . {gap} we'll just have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we going for a special colour at all ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's uh a case of um I'm uh slightly unsure . One {disfmarker} point five of a Euro for one push button doesn't sound quite right . So maybe it's a case of a push button is maybe one or more . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "At which point if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was {gap} for a case . Or had you already incorporated that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , special colour for the case .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well you got point five there . It's literally a case of whether or not this is correct . I'm not quite sure if they're {disfmarker} I don't think they mean point five Euros per button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "l let's say that and then we can have our special coloured case",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then we at least have {disfmarker} make it a little harder to lose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy colour that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "W what's the default colour ? White or black ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Black's probably the normal colour you'd say ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or grey .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I quite like that colour that you're fetching there ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's uh definitely for make it glow in the dark even better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So will we go with that then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not and we can see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we'll come back to uh your evaluation",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which you're probably now going to pan us but there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just to give you an idea , um you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well , I'm not sure how much time . We've not hit the five minute mark warning yet ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Think it's ten minutes left . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ten .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost . Um . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Special colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Special colour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Three ? Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Three . I think we can do three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three if we're being generous , I feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Th the special colour doesn't {disfmarker} would I think make a difference .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Think we're being generous here with three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Three .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It makes it stand out from {disfmarker} you know it's lost in a big pile of crap , it stands out from the rest of the crap . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Reduce the number of unused buttons . We're down to t two buttons , is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two buttons and a joystick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so that's a one . You know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Totally .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "where that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'd say we're doing well there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that was good . Easy to use interface , buttons menu , menus {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's yeah that's good . {vocalsound} 'Kay that's {disfmarker} we're not doing so badly . Um {vocalsound} easy to use {disfmarker} oh okay , let's forget that one . Fancy looking . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} As he models the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't get much fancier .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure . And we could do whatever we like with the L_ L_C_D_ . Yeah let's just assume it's a good L_C_D_ display .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe I was panicking for no reason .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we going one on {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say we go two , 'cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wouldn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "w maybe you'd be a bit too {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . There we go . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "With the articulators . With bells on it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's m that's that's better too . More accurate numbers . Technologically innovative . Well , we're getting rid of the locator thing",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which is a shame .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which which",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I'd give it a three for this {disfmarker} for that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No need for teletext .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean the menus thing is something you don't normally see on um on a remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} you see it in a lot of other places .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mobile phones .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And y what you're doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control , so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You say three ? I might go as far as two on that . Three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd give it a three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd be tempted with three , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Three . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We'll get panned on the next one , anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Materials that people find pleasing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sponginess is what they really would have wanted , apparently .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is , yeah . Don't blame them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um because of the way that we've minimalised the number of buttons and such .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Plastic , it sucks . But it's no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true . It's not a step backwards .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} five ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I'd s I I'd give it a six , to be honest .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , okay let's give it a six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Six , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , that's totally thrown everything off balance . Inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion . W we could . What colour were we gonna make it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Put a leopard print on it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I I I would sa I would say give a s give a selection of colours .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause we had yellow . If I were buying one , I'd go for purple . Leopard print would be cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But um by this I think it's more a case of fruit and veg , {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we gotta {gap} . I'd say the colour of the border there world {disfmarker} you'd find that , {gap} that's that'd stand out .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like yellow , yeah . It would also help keep the the product placement s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Logo , brand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it inspired by {gap} clothing fashion ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Th th they're referring to the fruit and veg thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is this like a banana type colour ? Could we stretch {disfmarker} no still , it's not shaped like a banana is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's kinda {disfmarker} {gap} i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's kind o it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it won't be when it's been",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "probably {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh is that 'cause it's flat ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "budgeted .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What is {disfmarker} what fruit or veg is flat ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I think s I I think this isn't {disfmarker} not particularly fruit and veggie . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yellow courgette .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg , so , {vocalsound} what , four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four ? Oh that's it's very ambitious ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that being too generous ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I'd {vocalsound} I'd I don't think fruit and veg is the sole criterion . {vocalsound} Is the sole criterion for being um fashion {gap} fashionable or inspired by current fashions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh dear , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Inspired by {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I'd g I'd rate I'd rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well this this what we're gonna t this is their motto , like .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we're we're not doing well on it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is their strategy . I m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is gonna be proportional to the marks . Might {disfmarker} we might wanna be a bit more skepible sceptical about this one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What would you think yourself ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say {disfmarker} I mean it's it's not at all , right ? {vocalsound} In any way or shape or form .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , it's kind of curved",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We didn't m",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we can make it yellow , and that's pretty much banana like .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the the yellow banana like thing is I think is okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Si it's got a curve to it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right five . Is that {vocalsound} sound reasonable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Am I {disfmarker} do you think I'm stretching the uh the use of the banana ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'll go with five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Five . {vocalsound} Yeah . 'Kay , so we have one , two , three , four , five , six , seven . So five , seven , ten , sixteen , twenty one . Which gives us an average of three . It's {disfmarker} well this would be in the middle . So we it's it's not bad . It's in the good section .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not bad and considering the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} don't pick the pen . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oops . Sorry . {vocalsound} I'm I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Y oh and you've knocked batteries out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um right okay it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'S bad design , that thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "considering the price we had to get this in , to have a positive {disfmarker} you know , even based on the four of us being heavily biased , um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} it was gonna be quite hard to get anything standing out I'd say possibly , based on um the the cost features .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Even if we were to increase this entire thing by by seven , we were to go down a grade to to four , we would have to do {disfmarker} I mean we didn't we weren't that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic . You know like we didn't we didn't add we didn't subtract a whole seven points from these things , so I think we're definitely on the good bit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Even if we gave this one seven and this one seven , that's still only three extra points over seven . You know , it's {disfmarker} yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Personally , I think given that the product um only replaces a single remote control",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we did it w it was okay . It was good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that you've already got , are people really gonna shell out twenty five Euros for something that's only marginally good ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , it depends who your {disfmarker} who's {disfmarker} what the target people are , like you'd say maybe the fashion conscious",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's been targeted {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "women would be going , oh look at that , 's cool , it looks like a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's yellow , looks like a banana , it's cool it's gotta {disfmarker} look good in the sitting room .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hide it in the fruit basket .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rather than the L_C_D_ whereas uh more technical like like more uh people in with the latest technology {gap} it's good , it's got an L_C_D_ screen 's only got two buttons and a joystick . So , which which kind of people would be more likely to buy it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Probably the people technologically . They're usually the ones that buy pointless stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone , and she's had it for a long time , you know . She uses it to make phone calls and that's it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only two buttons and a joystick , I mean that'll probably be the first one she decides not to buy , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "She'd be like is this a remote control , I don't {disfmarker} how do you use it , and stuff like that . So even if it is really user friendly to us , but we're used to using menus all the time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I s {vocalsound} I suppose one thing is that b because it's technically innovative , um for someone who's sort of technophobic , the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's totally uh radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But like radical good , maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um don't know how lo much longer we've got . At least five minutes I think . Um quickly we'll pop onto project evaluation . Um . So , we've got these uh four criteria here for uh satisfaction . Does anybody want to um um do you have any opinions on any of them ? For example um {disfmarker} we'll work backwards I suppose . The ability to work on this project using the technology we've been presented with . Um {gap} people made good use of the uh pen and paper ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would say {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "got notes and doodles .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wrote nearly a page ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but not {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think this is a {disfmarker} I think the digital pen's mostly for the benefit of the uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think tracking .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "of the researchers studying this . It's all p goes into their corpus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It must {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Though it would have been nice to be able to transfer the um transfer our n our paper notes onto the uh computer ourselves .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that woulda been pretty good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It does seem like the paper's still a heavy consideration for taking notes . So maybe this is literally just a way around it . Um I dunno . How are people satisfied with the teamwork we've managed to display today ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah I liked it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Leadership . As much as can be leadered in this uh thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Very good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I li yeah , top marks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um last one we've got is room for creativity .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Unti uh uh until uh until accounts came along ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now , I think we got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} squish .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're burs bursting with creativity .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We we're not lacking in ideas , you know it's {disfmarker} that was not the problem .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think of {disfmarker} in the end , ideas that can be used {gap} sadly {gap} . Not so much that we weren't full of ideas , but of ones that are gonna allow us to actually build the thing . It's a bit of a pity .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I would have to agree on that . I think we needed a larger budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you're going to aim your a um product maybe at the technological kind of sector , then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because they will pay outrageous cash to {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I mean I th {vocalsound} I mean I think to r retaining the s the more sort of bio-morphic form in the articulation would gain more in s uh would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "first on the market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "in added expense .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the price was like {disfmarker} it was twice the w assembly cost . And would it have to be twice that ? It could be like coulda had the assembly {gap} like maybe fifteen Euro .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It could even {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We'll still settle for twenty five {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's true , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a at a different group at I guess . As to a {gap} the costs involved . But I mean we've got a a prototype .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Such as it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I dunno , I I think it's gone okay today , considering the information that we've had at our disposal , and um such .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the counts wou woulda been better if we had a list or more {disfmarker} Yeah , to begin with .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In the beginning , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Probably would have {disfmarker} mean we could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would have to agree . It is very much a pity to um get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive . Always hard to tell until you know the costs . Um . Okay . Are the costs within budget ? Well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've evaluated it , and we can say that we came out with a value of three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actually I want th one thing I would say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean something that could perhaps be part of the product mm the um m product testing market research process would be to uh produce mock-ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the over {gap} going over-budget um m would make to sales .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And like response from consumers {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we could even you know , market two versions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wee cheapie version with the nice bio-morphic rubber . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then the final one where you get to call it Hal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we'll go into that later .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "is there anything else that anybody would like to to add , um {gap} anything they think that's not been covered , before I quickly write up a final report . Um I dunno , I mean we've got a product . We maybe aren't as happy with it as we'd like to be , but we've got something we think we can maybe stick onto the the market and sell . And of course something we have been avoiding talking about 'cause of we've no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers . There is a huge market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean we've briefly touched on it but we've no more knowledge then there's little we can say on that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So um unless anybody's got anything they'd like to add , we can maybe round this up slightly earlier than we'd need to and then we can finish up the writing and such .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I can get my bus . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , let's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh thank you for your participation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I was actually kind of upset you know at the budget , and that we had to cut a lot of stuff . It's like man , we we can't have the locator thing . And s yeah that's just bad . Do you think maybe {gap} the prices were were made ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That {gap} a question we can ask {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2005a
|
Product
|
[
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"10",
"30"
]
],
"topic": "Desired features of the new remote controls"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"31",
"34"
]
],
"topic": "Prioritizing market potential and competition"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"35",
"67"
]
],
"topic": "Emphasizing good looks and sizes of TV remote controls"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"68",
"104"
]
],
"topic": "Task arrangement of each participant"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The meeting was mainly about the exchange of the preliminary ideas about a new TV remote control project and subsequent task assignment. The project manager first set a target of making a fifty million Euros' profit from the project, with the unit price of twenty-five Euros. Afterwards, the team raised different opinions about features of the new remote controls and related questions about market potential. Among all the features, having a good look and size was unanimously considered to be the most essential. In the end, Marketing was assigned to investigate market competition and design, and User Interface thinking about shapes, colours and other attributes which would attract customers.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team came up with three general desired features about their new TV remote controls. First, it should be universal (which was the one for all type things). Second, the remote controls were required to be slim. Most importantly, it should be different from the rest in the market, suggesting that the new remote controls would be with some kinds of a gimmick, such as whistling for retrieval.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about desired features of the new remote controls.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"8",
"14"
],
[
"25",
"30"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "There were two reasons. The first was that the unit price of each remote control was relatively high (twenty-five Euros). Therefore, in order to increase customers' willingness to spend so much money on one single remote control, the features must be satisfying and good enough. The second was the competition since there were other TV remote controls in the market. The new TV remote controls shall be special and different from the rest so as to attract customers.",
"query": "Why did the team discuss the desired features of the new TV remote controls?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"12",
"12"
],
[
"25",
"30"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Basically, they summarized from their daily experience. The project manager pointed out the User Interface only bought the sort of one for all type things. Also, the User Interface and project manager both agreed that a little gimmick was able to make a difference. For example, you could whistle to retrieve lost items.",
"query": "How did the team come up with these features of the new TV remote controls?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"4",
"9"
],
[
"25",
"29"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "In the discussion, the team agreed that the good look and size were two vital features of the new TV remote controls. Unfortunately, the team failed to reach a consensus in this meeting about the size, but they left it to the next meeting.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the importance of good looks and sizes of remote controls.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"35",
"55"
],
[
"59",
"67"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "According to Marketing, people were more willing to play with a good-looking remote control when they were watching movies or playing electronic devices. The rest of the team approved of this idea since people tended to have a good design in hand.",
"query": "Why did the team agree that a good look was important to the new TV remote controls?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"35",
"45"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer pointed out that too many buttons would get the remote controls too big and clunky. However, a really small and slim one was very likely to be lost. The User Interface then proposed a PDA or hand-held kind of remote controls. Unfortunately, it was not friendly to the unit price.",
"query": "Why did the team couldn't think of the satisfying size of the new TV remote controls?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"49",
"62"
]
]
}
] |
[
{
"content": "Uh , making a profit of fifty million Euros . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright so twenty five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So yeah , I've {disfmarker} The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television , and they're fairly basic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they're ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the universal ones . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So presumably that might be an idea to put into .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features . For sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Slim .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh 'cause I mean , what {disfmarker} uh twenty five Euros , that's about I dunno , fifteen Pounds or so ? And that's quite a lot for a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , it's about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um well my first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black . As you said they come with the T_V_ so it's normally just your basic grey black remote control {gap} functions ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we could think about colour ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Make {disfmarker} that might make it a bit different from the rest at least . Um , and as you say , we need to have some kind of gimmick , so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} The the keyrings , yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know those things ? Because we always lose our remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh yeah uh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market ? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market . So before deciding or before finalising this project , we must discuss all these things , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and apart from this , it should be having a good look also , because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with {gap} or playing with their C_D_ player , M_P_ three player like any electronic devices .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They really want to have something good , having a good design in their hands ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so , yes ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "all this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , what do we think a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , we're looking for {disfmarker} {gap} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What do we think a good size would be for this ? {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , carry on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and there's just like a hundred buttons on it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then you lose it , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Kind of um , maybe more like a P_D_A_ kind of , just hand held , like ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For for uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I wasn't , no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P_D_A_",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay well right we'll have to um {disfmarker} I'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we should all look into a bit uh , oh actually , no , we'll allocate . So you do the looking around at other remote controls .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um {vocalsound} basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how {disfmarker} what sort of materials are available to you whatever . And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which will probably just usurp what I said so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Shapes and colours and {disfmarker} um basically how to make it attractive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you look at competition and design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wait for emails ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , groovy . And no doubt we'll get um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's okay . Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . I shall {disfmarker} I can't imagine these {gap} are worth much . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Fashion into electronic . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2005b
|
Product
|
[
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"32",
"115"
]
],
"topic": "Market potentials for the new TV remote controls"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"116",
"165"
]
],
"topic": "Prioritizing the idea of \"putting the fashion in electronics\""
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"166",
"236"
]
],
"topic": "Gimmicks to set the new TV remote controls apart from others"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"237",
"326"
]
],
"topic": "Budget controls and practical limitations to the new remotes"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"327",
"652"
]
],
"topic": "Functions that the new remotes would have"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This meeting took up the discussion from the last one. They specified the ideas brought up last time and adapted them according to the market potentials and budget limits. Marketing first reported their findings of market potentials. Altogether, they summarized four conclusions: (1) consumers were willing to spend more for fancy products (2) the current products didn't always match users' operating behaviours (3) a lot of buttons weren't used (4) they were not fun to use. Then, the team came up with a novel feature of automatic speech recognition to retrieve the remotes. In the latter half of the meeting, the team decided that the following functions would be for the new remotes: speech recognition, limited buttons, organic design, programmability, glowing in dark, and integrating the logo and slogan.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "According to Marketing, seventy-five percent of the users found the remote controls which were available now in the market were ugly. Eighty percent of the users reported having the willingness to pay high for good-looking remote controls. Thirty-four percent of the consumers considered their remote controls were too difficult to operate. What's more, some companies believed that they shall have more functions in their remote controls. However, rather than having more functions and making it complicated, they shall emphasize what actually customers wanted and what they operated. All of these market potentials were required to be taken into consideration in order to enhance profits and sales.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about market potentials for the new remote controls.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"32",
"67"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "On the whole, the results of the market potentials helped the team know the status quo and form some general ideas about the functions required by the market. First of all, the team realized the requirement for beautiful products, thus aiming to design good-looking and appropriate TV remote controls in order to enhance the sales. Second, since about one-third of the consumers reported to have difficulties in using their remotes, the team then agreed to reduce the numbers of buttons. Lastly, they decided to add speech recognition to their products because people from fifteen to thirty (the age group contained most of the consumers) enjoyed this function very much.",
"query": "How did the research on market potentials contribute to the project?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"37",
"67"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Altogether, there were three advantages. The first was the simplicity of use. In the market, lots of remotes had many buttons because companies believed that more buttons they added, the more their consumers would appreciate. However, the fact was that many people didn't know how to use these buttons at all. The redundant buttons only increased the difficulties for people to use. The second was the decrease in cost since fewer buttons were needed. The last was the increase in sales and profits.",
"query": "What were the advantages of reducing the buttons on remotes when discussing the market potentials for the new remotes?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"39",
"45"
],
[
"67",
"74"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "After a thorough discussion, the team finally reached a consensus that the new design would have seven functions. First, the new remotes would dis-include teletext because that was obsolete. Second, they wanted to integrate the corporate colour and slogan in the new design. Third, speech recognition would be included. Fourth, the new remotes could glow in the dark. Fifth, there would be limited buttons on the remotes. Sixth, the design was organic. Seventh, the new remotes would be with programmability.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the functions that the new remote controls would have.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"332",
"346"
],
[
"351",
"634"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Although there were two options: a light inside the remotes and glow in the dark material, the team finally agreed to choose the later one because it was much cheaper. Besides, it was believed that combined with speech recognition, it would be easy for people to locate their remote controls, thus enhancing the overall market sales.",
"query": "What's the conclusion of the discussion about the function of \"glow in dark\"?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"377",
"401"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "According to the Project Manager, it was hard to have speech recognition in remotes and no products in the market now used this function well. There was mainly one reason: the noise interference problem, which was too expensive to solve. Luckily, the User Interface came up with an idea to have something built into the TV that people could press and then it would send out a little signal. The Industrial Designer agreed and proposed to have a microphone by the TV speaker and a transmitter there to send back to their remotes. Such design was subtractive cancellation of the noise.",
"query": "What were the difficulties in applying speech recognition in the new remote controls?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"402",
"455"
]
]
}
] |
[
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you , however , um there are some changes that I've got from on high",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that um are a bit uh {disfmarker} well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh {vocalsound} this is for a specific television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the all in one idea goes out the window . And {vocalsound} they require that the uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "actually I'll get to that at the end {gap} point number four , um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it . So um , presentations , were you {disfmarker} anybody got , raring to go ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Raring to go ? Okay . Good stuff . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . So how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh I need to plug you in . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just about .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a inspired design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sh do you want me to hold it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh there we go , just screw 'em on in . Gonna have to swap them round so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So , after that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "now , it was function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight . {vocalsound} f oh sorry F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's the wee blue one . Blue one F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Should do it , good one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert . Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry , yeah sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hold on , sorry . {gap} and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other {gap} , sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry , uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yes , I have to look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not ? Then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "P press F_ five to start it first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Okay . Yeah , I can , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Jesus .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey . A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things . And what we got was , we found that {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market . Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly . They are not so good looking . So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking for the consumers . And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales . Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also . So even if the available market goes for the available {disfmarker} uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then {disfmarker} {gap} And the second thing , some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated . Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it . Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things . So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also . So we have to take care of this fact also . Then . Uh it was function I want to go to .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh you wanna go back ? Just escape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , escape , okay thank you . Then if we look at this slide ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker} Uh , sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , sorry {disfmarker} I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is {disfmarker} are you coming on to that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So these percentages are are what ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yes . If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group . So we should look {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can look at that that factor also , so yes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , and {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fifteen to twe",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I think so . Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control . So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people {disfmarker} consumers could easily learn . They need not to have any , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales . So um this is all about",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh market potential by me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yes , th thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , thank you . Um , {vocalsound} follow on with Helen ? Yeah please .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep , sure , that's cool , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we have to take that {gap} out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , so we do yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fun and games .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh sorry , I have {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Brian , this one also I {gap} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you very much Brian .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If you want me to help , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and then what do I press , F_ eight ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh F_ eight . Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm s .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not coming . Function F_ eight , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No signal . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Computer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Computer adjusting , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on to the big {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh F_ five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Escape .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User Interface Designer sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also {disfmarker} I want to point out that our motto , put the fashion in electronics ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable , it's a big concern of ours . Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh just a left uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The arrow ? Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "left mouse button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like , what people dislike . Um and what people {disfmarker} fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our T_V_ I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um what they like and what they find fashionable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but um maybe that comes up , I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That can come under Arlo as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the findings , well the basic {disfmarker} that was the basic function to send messages to the television set .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what people want to do . Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones . I don't know how to get to them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} do I press F_ five is it ? {gap} escape ? Oh okay , cool . I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "These are two leading um remote controls at the moment .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they don't look very exciting at all . Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um , but there you go , that's what we're up against ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I think we can do much better than that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We hope so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Of course . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um hang on . F_ five ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay , sorry . Personal preferences . Um , well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important , um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah , particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R_S_I_ and things as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . And um I thought not too edgy and like a box , more kind of hand-held more um {vocalsound} not as uh computery and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Organic {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or organic , yeah , more organic shape I think . {vocalsound} Um simple designs , like the last one we just saw , not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out , only ten percent {disfmarker} fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sales , {gap} . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because T_F_T_ have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen , anyway , so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's like a , yeah . {vocalsound} It's {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T_V_ but as you pointed out people don't actually want that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And also the company want to keep it stuck to the T_V_ for uh to keep down the production time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we forget about that . It's for one T_V_ oh right okay , sure . And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people , like glow-in-the-dark",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um which {vocalsound} does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Easy finder with the a whistle function or something ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I think that , yep , that's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh , I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and uh I was just curious to know , have we done any research into how many people can whistle ? Um , or if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "is that a function we want in the remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , do you have trouble whistling ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I haven't been able to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't , but I I know a lot of people do right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Really ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it just",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ooh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I suppose that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or some sort of voice {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just , you know , where are you ? {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's costly though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping um , shouting , you know ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh and then , what would the response be ? It beeps back at you or something ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh let me set this up . So I plug it in , press F_ five ? Function F_ five ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Function F_ eight for the um the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or function F_ eight ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I think it's {vocalsound} uh just to lock it in . It's got it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um so it's good you went first ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Let's remember that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products , and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour . Um , a lot of the buttons aren't used , and uh {vocalsound} he mentioned that they're not fun to use . And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "there could be a little microphone on it , and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe you could have a um hmm {vocalsound} tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um {vocalsound} and not computery ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right , so more low tech and not too many buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains {disfmarker} Or uh or a high speed train .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah is that what that is ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that's cool . If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I figured , just put 'em all together .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T_V_ , and um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "as for the user interface problem , you know , too many buttons . Give it one button",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and and it's a {disfmarker} you know , for the the cowboy in all of us {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I like that design . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated , is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So I think I I missed the budget thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it was fifty million Euros ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we gotta sell twenty five of them ? Right . {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , not a problem .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Fifty million was uh prof",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As a profit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay , so I I mixed those numbers .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "gotta make profit , so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well I guess more realistically then , we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing , cheap plastic uh , you know , um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um , we don't wanna have it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea ? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or a little base station or something , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , we could do that too . Um , I hadn't thought of that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That might cost more though , 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide , well we provide the first batteries , but it's more , it's {disfmarker} that's cheaper to just provide batteries .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A battery in it , kinda .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I don't think it'd up up the price that much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , so so {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the unirs the user interface",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons , but since we're a cutting edge company , we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition , whistling recognition and rocket power",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "behind our product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so here's you know , a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um {vocalsound} you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that . {vocalsound} And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so {disfmarker} uh personal preferences , I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory , uh non volatile memory , just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , me too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . And the uh , the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know , they take more budgeting , um more technical uh expenditure of effort",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's all I got .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , thank you very much , um I'll take that back .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh that's tight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting , so didn't manage to forward it on to you , it is {disfmarker} let's see , I'll find it myself , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Ta",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I don't think we need to screw it in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "nah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just push it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated , and everybody uses the internet anyway . Um , {vocalsound} dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um it's only for the television , which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and um instead of colours and sorta colour options , they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Corporate colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yellow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} I presume . Um , everything , all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh {disfmarker} I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean , I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , where am I ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so , we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , {vocalsound} now , we had as listed options we had",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We'll use the the basic functions for a television . No teletext . Um {vocalsound} okay hold on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Although the the danger with that is , it could look a bit cheap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not enough buttons you mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or it looks like we're just cutting on the um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . On the number of buttons , kind of functions and stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I do however have this from over my head , that they don't want teletext on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , okay . Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that , or maybe they'll send",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "About cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "some information about that , about um what people , whether people would require um teletext in a remote {disfmarker} teletext option in a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound} Okay um {gap} . So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the {disfmarker} a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a T_F_T_ display , interactive display . However that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um {vocalsound} said people didn't like . Although I guess if there's a sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If you think about standard interfaces that people use already , sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe that's a bit , going a bit far",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons , and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have um {vocalsound} it goes to a different selection of buttons , so it sorta keeps it simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um glow in the dark , is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Glow in the dark material I was thinking .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh may I say something about {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote , in the room . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Often lost s was that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah are lost",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lost , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time . But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark . Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so we should take it into consideration also .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um speech recognition I take it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't , I've {disfmarker} I know of no products um that use speech recognition well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a {disfmarker} some basic speech recognition on it . You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B_B_C_ one and it goes to that channel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Really ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem . They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or a yeah an advert an advert for B_B_C_ two on B_B_C_ one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , right , and so there was a lot of this , you'd be watching the T_V_ and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but if you can work around that that noise problem {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well what about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "this might get a bit too expensive actually , but what about um something that's built into the T_V_ um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or {vocalsound} something",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah , that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you find if y",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right and then it would do just you know , uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What you could do then would be you have uh {vocalsound} a remote controlled by the T_V_ speaker , or not a remo I'm sorry , a microphone by the T_V_ speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote , 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T_V_s .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah , that's the only thing , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , then you have like the little se separate module by the T_V_ speaker",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That we should just stick on , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That comes with our remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that's a sort of basic R_F_ kind of frequency so it'll be cheap .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , right . Um . {vocalsound} Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again . If you do have this sorta speech interface to it , you don't even need to find it . You just say you know , um whatever you whatever you want the remote for , you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T_V_ on and off , you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know , within hearing range . And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That could also be built into the T_V_ though , which might make our remote control a bit obsolete .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It might do us out of a job .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Okay . {vocalsound} I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing . Um so I think rather than {disfmarker} and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so I th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the expense .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah and expense and the time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I think if we're going to go {disfmarker} well I mean like the thing about the {disfmarker} there's the problem with the T_F_T_ or the L_C_D_ kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating the screen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem . Um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} and how are you about the glow in the dark material ? Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Contrast contra well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know , and then uh if you're , if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So if it's dow it's d uh yeah . Or if it's down under the couch cushions",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um which is where I usually find mine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Okay , well we can use {disfmarker} we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um if we're gonna have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause what I thought , main {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if we're gonna have the logo on as well , bright yellow logo in our our um slogan .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Slogan , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway , and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well , of the glow in the dark material , just as gimmickyness .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm-hmm . 'Cause yeah , that w more than finding it , that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark , you can um still see the remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um {vocalsound} uh of feedback , sort of remote finder , then that kinda stuffs that one out then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was more of a a gimmick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh it makes it fairly unnecessary then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , unnecessary . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , okay so scratch that . Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T_F_T_ idea or the {disfmarker} is that far too expensive ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now , I I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot , you know they get thrown around ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there's a good chance the the T_F_T_ screen would break or uh get damaged .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're pretty fragile .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T_F_T_ screen ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um no , I mean {gap} that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have . Um . {gap} So that's sort of included in your sub-module kind of stuff , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} you were finding out about teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you could find out that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Totally , it takes cheap speech recognition , she {disfmarker} they wi",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um expensive ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you think so ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the T_F_T_ , it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no ? Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it not the circuits that cost {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh well that kind of takes back the R_F_ {vocalsound} the R_F_ remote sort of idea as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um . {vocalsound} Five minutes . Okay . Decisions . Uh , votes , let's vote . Who wants T_F_T_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No-one does .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Excellent , so we'll go with speech recognition , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , that's cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , speech recognition , limited buttons , organic design . And what else was I thinking of that I haven't written down and therefore fallen out my head ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "programmability .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Glow in dark .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh o okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And also , integrating the , remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so . Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well . So , it just helps me summarize them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Here ? Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And um I'll put any {disfmarker} {gap} I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway , so uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And where is it sorry ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh pro uh project documents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it should be when you save",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "On A_M_I_ scenario controller .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "on your desktop , so it goes save as , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh it is in shared documents ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then uh hit that little folder up thing again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Where am I ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Projoct uh projector .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Project documents , yeah , it's on your desktop as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All the way to the top , yeah that's up to desktop . Right and then project documents .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . It is not giving anything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shared documents .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I will tr {gap} getting strings of um information , I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular , as soon as I get them now , rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting , and then the meeting turned up , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Did you get my email ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I did {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just making sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material , but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material , it's a bit more bouncy , like you said they get chucked around a lot . Um , a bit more {vocalsound} durable and that can also be ergonomic",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The rubber rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "More sort of um flesh-like than plasticky sort of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but we have to take care like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we have to take care of our children also if they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful . So , whatever material we use it should be {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , ethics , {vocalsound} that's gonna cost us money . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} we have to safety point of view also , we have to take care .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , safety .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as {disfmarker} it won't as have many sharp corners as that , so that's something good , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could go comp yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It sme {vocalsound} smells good for children . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's got the thing on the inside .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And there's no buttons at all , it's always on , and just yell at it , and it works .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That sounds ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then ch children will love it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball , yeah , sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Interesting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yellow , yellow ball . Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , d with the colour , um does it have to be all yellow , do you know ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Please God no . Um . Well , I wouldn't th I mean ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror , so I think just having it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow {gap} with the logo in it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "surrounding the logo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Having a little bit . Okay cool . Mm mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "what was it ? We put {vocalsound} we put fashion into {disfmarker} Whoops , it's not working . Can't believe I've forgotten it {gap} . We put the fashion in electronics . {vocalsound} I bet that'll catch on well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , that's a good one that . Yeah so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , any last",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Twelve thirty .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "worries , queries ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} S s {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know what you're thinking .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay then , lunchtime , yay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that felt a bit more like a {disfmarker} something with order and and reason to it than the last one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is quite fun actually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Has anybo oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I really don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Has anybody pressed okay , it vibrates . It's pretty cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Check here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow you've {gap} your first page .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah I've been using up the pages .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was just writing really big . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , got small writing . I don't wanna waste it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I've finished the meeting now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Another questionnaire .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , everybody needs k questionnaire .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
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|
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|
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"9",
"88"
]
],
"topic": "Prioritizing two important factors: being fancy and technologically innovative"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"107",
"182"
]
],
"topic": "Comparing the merits and demerits of the existing designs in the market"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"183",
"234"
]
],
"topic": "Budget controls to the new remotes"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"235",
"709"
]
],
"topic": "Features and appearances of the new remotes"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Unlike the last meeting, the team further discussed the details about the features they wanted on their new remote controls this time. First, they unanimously agreed that their design shall be the combination of beauty and fashion. Second, after looking at all the other designs existing in the market now, they drew a conclusion that the new remotes would be standardly shaped and children-friendly. Lastly, most of the time was devoted to the discussion about the details of the desired features: rechargeable battery, blue main body and yellow slogan, fruits based shapes and sponge latex rubber material.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "According to User Interface, most remote controls had an inconsistent layout, thus was difficult to use. Also, they were mostly in boring shape, grey and quite space-agey with too many buttons. Therefore, after discussion, the team decided to avoid those flaws they had discovered. Basically, the new designs would be with programmability function, organic shape and consistent layout.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the merits and demerits of the existing designs in the market.",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"107",
"182"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "In general, the team only collected the flaws of the existing remotes. According to the User Interface, the existing remotes were difficult to use because of the inconsistent layout, too many buttons and shape problems. For each problem, the team tried to give the solution. For example, their new remotes would have a standard layout, limited buttons and organic shapes. It was believed that by solving all these problems, the new remotes would be easy for the customers to use.",
"query": "Why did the team discuss the merits and demerits of the existing remotes?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"107",
"118"
],
[
"132",
"182"
]
]
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"answer": "The User Interface showed the pictures of one kind of remotes with scrolls on it, working as the middle buttons. If the consumers wanted to find a certain item, they just needed to scroll it and when they reached the required ones, they pressed the middle of the scroll. Although the team was not satisfied with the colour, shape and buttons of the existing, they all agreed that the function of a scroll was a good idea.",
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"answer": "In the second half of the meeting, the team discussed the details of the features and appearances of the new remotes. Lots of ideas and proposals were raised, but many of them were denied or modified later. In the end, the team reached a consensus that their new remotes would have batteries that could be recharged, pale yellow slogans, fruits-based shapes and sponge rubber material.",
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"answer": "The team was offered a bunch of options about the material of the outer casing from wood, titanium, rubber, plastic, latex, double-curved, curved, sponge, etc. After discussion, they decided that they would have the sponge rubber as their outer casing because it had the elasticity and durability which they needed. Also, this kind of material was cheap to cast.",
"query": "What's the conclusion of the discussion about the outer casing when the team was talking over the appearances of the new remotes?",
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"answer": "The Industrial Designer first proposed to use the shape of a banana. However, the Project Manager thought it might be a little bit childish. Then, the User Interface suggested drawing on the kind of fruits and vegetable shape. After a period of discussion, the team decided to design two or three shapes and had a public survey, letting the public choose what they want.",
"query": "What shape did the team finally decide to use as the casing for the remote controls?",
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"content": "Um we are {disfmarker} So the meeting will have about the same format as the last time . So {gap} switching over I've just left uh my first two screens {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} mailed you the minutes of the last meeting uh just to save time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that are particularly bothering you ? N",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm um . No , I don't think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No ? Okay , cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Then we shall start with a presentation from Raj .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Hi , me Raj , again . Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching , uh how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this . So we have to look on this . First of all methodology . The met methodology to find out the trend was incl uh was done in a way {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey , but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market , because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit . So what are our findings ? In our {vocalsound} uh in our findings we have seen that {disfmarker} when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for tho fancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good , rather than having a functional look and feel uh good . So this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls . So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor , because this factor is twice as important , the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor . So this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take {disfmarker} in designing our rem uh remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The last one is the most important one , is it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No the first one is the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh the outlook of the mobile , the it should have a fancy outlook ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the fancy design uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good , it should have a fancy look and foo feel good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative . We must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are . So it uh should be technologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition , something like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that indicates our technological advancement . And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like it shouldn't be too much co complicated ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remote control , it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way . And it should be uh {disfmarker} and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language , something . So that they could know how to use these remote controls . When we did uh f fashions uh , recent fashion uh {disfmarker} our recent fashion update shows that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I was just reading fruit and vegetables .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah uh yeah , we have to , because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes , shoes , {gap} and everything with fruits and vegetables ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because the g world is now changing it's trend towards organic , becoming more and more organic ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We should make a big sponge lemon ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "becoming {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then it'd be it would be yellow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Th that's very good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So something like that we we should do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Glow-in-the-dark . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look , hard look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's what we kind of predicted anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it . So that should also be taken into consideration .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So these are my views .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the spongy , not real spongy , you can {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No it ca {vocalsound} y a {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into co",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Quite disposable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because our company is very well {gap} for taking all these concerns into consideration ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so we don't want to have any harm to the society ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fashion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that's all . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fruit and veg , well there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just what I think of when I think of a remote control . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A remote control ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And were there any factors that weren't important in the survey , that they said we don't want ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S uh we didn't find out any such point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or was it just {disfmarker} Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh yes , there could be , but we couldn't find out any , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm-mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F_ , what is it ? Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , {vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No signal . Is that {gap} ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , it's got it's got it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh yeah , uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excuse me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and then F_ five , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um okay , so the interface concept um . Yeah . The interface specification , what people {disfmarker} um how they interact with it basically , I think . Um so the method , we looked at existing designs , what are the {disfmarker} what's good about them , what's bad about them , um I looked at their flaws , so we're going to look at their flaws , everything . Um and what {vocalsound} the survey told us and what we think would be good , so a bit of imagination .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh the findings , I've got some pictures to show you as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} either . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay , so most remote controls use graphical interface , where you um have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and we also found that there's inconsistent layout , which makes it confusing . So I think for our remote control {disfmarker} There is some inconsistency already in {disfmarker} ec existing in {disfmarker} between remote controls , but I think standard kind of um shape and uh play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think , people find that important,'cause then it's easy to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we've got some pictures of some uh new remote controls to show you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do I press Escape F_ five ? Or just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh no just escape should uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Escape , okay . Um , oh I still haven't got my glasses on . Yeah , okay . So these are the {disfmarker} some of the pictures of existing ones .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll just walk you through them . This one is a voice recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's the kind of idea we're going for .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Looks pretty complicated .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's um an L_C_D_ thing , which we thought could {disfmarker} I thought could get a bit confusing and a bit expensive as well for us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This one is {disfmarker} got a kind of scroll like a mouse ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , like the middle button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and {disfmarker} But I'm not exactly sure how you'd use that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's kinda like scrolling {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like would the computer come {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh right , well , if I s if I'm thinking of the right one , I've got the same thing in front of my monitor , you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of um {vocalsound} menu item that you require , you press the middle of the scroll .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , that's like the L_C_D_ one ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "is it ? But the one below that has got like {vocalsound} a little scroll function on the side . But I presume that the functions must come up on the T_V_ screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , presumably .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that's what that is . So these are just a few ideas . Again that's just quite boring shape , grey , looks quite space-agey , but too many buttons , I think on that one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh it looks threatening .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , looks like uh looks like something out of a jet . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it does look kind of dangerous .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It looks like yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um this one I thought was really cool . It's w it's got the programmability function that we talked about .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can put it in there , it's for your kids , and it's quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's really easy to use , bright , so I like this one lot for our design . I think something like that would be good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I m I mean the one thing I think about about these ones is um these kl uh secured areas um {vocalsound} , I've seen a lot of them with the the cover missing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Of course yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So like have it hinge rather than sort of clip on or whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah . Yeah , that's true . Yeah . Um so maybe that could be built into one of the things and it comes up on the T_V_ or something . And this one , the over-sized one , I don't know about you , but I think it's a bit too gimmicky .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that will sell very well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean is that not sort of to assist the blind or something , is it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I guess so . I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then d blind don't watch T_V_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Strange . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a bit {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No they do , they do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They do ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They listen to it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . And um this one {vocalsound} is just pointing out . I like {vocalsound} some of these things um the the raised symbols and everything , but {gap} pointing out um that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down , but it would actually go up , because of the shape .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that could {disfmarker} that's a bit confusing . Um but the buttons on this I think are {disfmarker} it's just showing you how you can have different different um buttons . They don't have to be all the same . So that's quite cool . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay but people tend to recognise certain shapes to do certain things anyway , don't they ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly . Um F_ five . Yes . So there are some of the findings . So we need to combine those ones um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and I've just got {vocalsound} an e-mail from our technical department saying that they have broken through with some new speech recognition software that you can program in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Brilliant . That's handy . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah it is , just in time , very handy . Um so {vocalsound} I think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} you program it like you say , record , um and then , play , and then , record , play machine , and stuff like that , so that's {disfmarker} And it's much {disfmarker} Yeah . So that's quite cool . Uh personal preferences just some imagination , the raised symbols I thought were good , the L_C_D_ , it does look smart , but I think maybe for our budget , do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The L_C_D_",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and the other stuff uh , I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the speech recognition , 'cause I think we're definitely going for the speech recognition ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "are we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but they want the quality , they want f fancy look , they want some new design , something new .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . But our budget , we've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's still it's still got to get within our twelve fifty , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So even if we increase our cost little bit , within uh some limits , and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook , I think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure if the {disfmarker} if {vocalsound} for twenty five Euros uh per uh twelve Euros fifty m manufacturing cost , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ben bana",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I can't see tha Although , th I mean to be to be sure they have got {disfmarker} I mean they are going crazy with the L_C_D_ technology now ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that you've got your L_C_D_ T_V_s and everything so maybe the small {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I mean like I I {disfmarker} the black and white , I guess , it just doesn't look funky enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but , I mean , like even mobile phones or whatever have {disfmarker} now have colour L_C_D_ screens ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "w I ju I mean",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't know about the costs of them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But uh price price not withstanding um , is it too complicated , is it gonna be too much just overload ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Twelve fifty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh i it will be easy because there will be , on L_C_D_ s screen , there will be different frent icons , they can just click ok okay , whatever they wa",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Possibly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's the thing , because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But but the thing is when you use a remote control , you never look at it , right ? You're looking at the T_V_",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and and it's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It just seems kind of like a a needless th",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use , so I think I'm not sure about the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a it's great , it's a good idea , but for our budget and for the thing we're trying to go for eas easy to use , it's not the thing we should go for , I think . Child-friendly , I thought this was good , as you pointed out the um {vocalsound} the bit , it often goes missing especially with children , but it's a good shape and the organic is kind of {disfmarker} we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So which vegetable ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I mean we could make a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know , carrot {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , si since we're going for the uh the k the sort of company colours , I think your lemon wasn't that far s {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The the lemon . Well what are the options ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if it doesn't work you know , we've just made a lemon . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we don't want it to be {disfmarker} Yeah . Um the child-friendly , yeah . Easy to use , it seems quite easy to use . I like the d the different shapes of the buttons and stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I like I like the colourful buttons as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a good idea to go for . Yeah . And the mouse one , I thought it was a good idea , because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling thing . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean we are marketing to sort of twenty five to thirty five ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so most people will have come in contact with that kind of use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S yeah . So they'd be able to use that um , as I said I think i I'd presume it would come up on the screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so there you go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the T_V_ maker , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that's um the user interface",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So okay , I'll take this out now then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um so",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess there are a lot of options that we're gonna have to choose from among ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , looks like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I'll I'll give you the uh , {vocalsound} I guess , technical considerations for those .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I'm gonna use the whiteboard , just 'cause we haven't used it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was just thinking the self same thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . So , the way I'm gonna do this {vocalsound} is uh we're gonna take a look at some old remote controls , see how they work , uh reuse the the vital kind of um essential pieces of it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then we'll throw in our new innovations um {vocalsound} and keep it all within budget .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Magic man .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh yeah , looking inside a a very simple remote control . Um this is what they sent me . 'Kay . Here's uh the competition , I suppose .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um you open it up , there's a circuit board inside ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um {vocalsound} and there's a a chip , a processor , the T_A_ one one eight three five , which um receives input from the buttons , and ch",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip , is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , it's very {disfmarker} they're very cheap remote . This remote costs nothing , you know . Um so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier , which is made of some transistors and amplifiers , op-amps , and then that gets sent to the uh to the L_E_D_ light , which I can kinda see is that little red light bulb at the end ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and that sends out the infrared uh light signal to the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh here it is . {vocalsound} Um so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control , because it it defines the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "R Um no , I mean this is a very old one , so now with the new technology this is a a minimally small and cheap thing to make .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They gotta be {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Almost a key-ring . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So this is what we need to have for certain .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . So you know , as we said , we got the outer casing , which we have to decide , you know , what's it gonna be , um the board we have to use basically uh the same set-up , processor , um we'll probably use the more advanced processor than they had , amplifier and transmitter are all standard . Um so for the casing , uh this an e-mail I got from our manufacturing team uh , you know , we have a bunch of options from wood , titanium , rubber , plastic , whatnot , um latex , double-curved , curved . So lots of choices ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "what do we think ? Uh or sponge , I guess , isn't on there , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I'm not sure about the sponge .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Organic sponge . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean like la latex has a kinda spongy feeling to it , doesn't it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , it's very elasticy for sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah . And that would k also give it kinda durability",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and ther that's also f sorta relatively cheap to cast .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} so maybe s uh a sort of uh plastic {disfmarker} initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so , here are a a plastic , uh latex {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like the rubber , the stress balls , I think ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , that could be a bit of a gimmick like it's good to hold and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what that stuff is . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So something with give to it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . And",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and the colour is yellow , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or at least incorporating , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "y {vocalsound} yellow incorporated , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yellow {vocalsound} , okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh {disfmarker} I don't know what other standard silver kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Other parts or uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah , the buttons w like , 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably two different colours",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm' kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or i if we're having buttons actually ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So yellow for the body ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then what colour for the buttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So multi-coloured buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You do have ones like um play {vocalsound} could be green or on and off is red , and stuff like that , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah or yeah a limit uh maybe even just a limited multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish , perhaps .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Makes it easy to use . Yeah , that's true , because that blue one did look quite hardish .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well . I mean if we are gonna make it a novel {disfmarker} I mean double-curved sounds good to me if we're talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "a bit comfier , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go {disfmarker} Um how exactly ? Maybe double {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like uh {vocalsound} an hour glass kind of figure , is that what you're thinking of ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's uh , yeah , that that'd be {disfmarker} that's sort of comfortable to hold , easy to hold so you don't drop it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or just like a {disfmarker} It's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about a banana ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We could make novelty remote controls .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Okay , like we could have a big banana shaped remote control ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah , I mean like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause it's yellow fruit ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Mm and a lemon might be a little hard to grip . Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But then how would you point it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How would you point it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh i it doesn't matter which end you point , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could have a little L_E_D_s on each end .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I appreciate this idea ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They only cost pennies .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because then this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this will help us in our advertisement also",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and we can relate with fruits and vegetables , the people's choices . That what our data shows that , so this w this w",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So a spongy banana re {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I mean that that th {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rubber banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "does",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape . And what else did you say about fashions ? What was trendy ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like people uh now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And sponginess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And spongy , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Spongy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like so it would have a stem perhaps",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and a",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "maybe a {disfmarker} it'd be s axially symmetric .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like what's what's that {vocalsound} , I don't even know the name of it , some kind of , you know where it's like {disfmarker} looks like a little snowman kind of thing . I don't know the name of that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it'd look like this kinda .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's what I was thinking .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like a gourd almost , or a squash of some sort ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe that's what they are .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say , you know , it transmits from this end .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , why the hell not . {vocalsound} Let's {vocalsound} that'll make us fifty million Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . What do you guy {disfmarker} What do you think ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , I guess it's kind of dra uh you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , then only we can relate it with something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can relate it by advertising or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so double-curved , single-curved , what do we feel ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Or we can do something , we can design two three shapes and we can have a public survey , let the public choose what they want .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There's a good man . There's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay um , I guess , since you're the marketing guy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . I will be happy to do that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We'll uh {disfmarker} Okay , we could do that . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And buttons would , did we say ? Uh different shapes of buttons ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I l I su I mean for the specific functions , you know , up and down , uh play , stop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They've got , I mean , they've got standard sort of intuitive um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "things that are always used .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , just like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "With the scroll-wheel or no ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh speech recognition , I think , so we need a microphone presumably .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay uh I could put the microphone here . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay there's the microphone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where should I put the microphone ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean ho h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'm not sure . Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Glad , we're not doing this for real .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I can {disfmarker} no I'm not sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well we can do some user test with scroll-wheels , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I couldn Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is {gap} the microphone {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would put it sort of sub-centrally , so it's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay there's the mic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it can be sort of held and w {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} We really need really gonna need to hold it , if it's gonna be voice recognition .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um n well we can {disfmarker} Whoops . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oops . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So let's not use the whiteboard any more . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Upsidaisy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oops , sorry . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh so what else was there ? Um the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about the glow-in-the-dark thing , the strip around it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I s I still like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we just gonna leave that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um but that's me . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You still like it . 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech recognition system .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far . I mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause um it could {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um don't wanna sort of overkill .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Especially with yellow {vocalsound} . {vocalsound} Mm . I dunno .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I mean like uh if we {disfmarker} I mean how good is the speech recognition thing ? Do we want to go for buttons at all , do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Then you put it in the fruit bowl ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {gap} {vocalsound} They can work from a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you know , and then you just tal",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to hold it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean like everybody's got fruit bowl in front of the telly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know they have uh fruits all round them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Make them make them think of fruit , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Now just make sure they don't eat the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean uh {vocalsound} some uh I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , do we need buttons ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh , I dunno , an apple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then it's just apple so sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yellow apples though {disfmarker} Hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I quite like the shape . I quite like the design of that , uh 'cause that could sit on its own and it's quite {disfmarker} got a quite steady base .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , yeah , that's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . But yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Groovy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , about the speech thing , it doesn't have to be hand held or close .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It can sit at a distance and pick it up still .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {vocalsound} I mean like you could actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , gives you the options .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we can do one thing , we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes , different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So whatever people want , like if somebody want it in banana shape , we will put that casing onto that mobile phone , okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So a selection of casings .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it will look l {vocalsound} Uh yeah . In that w",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause you said about disposable ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S s sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "didn't you ? You said about disposable earli people want disposable things",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of , we need not to have a full cover , we will just have a half of cover ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we could do that , like have a choice . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay ? If somebody wants it i in banana shape , we will fit banana shape casing onto that , so it will give a banana shape look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like like mobiles , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that , we will put {disfmarker} we will put apple shape casing on that . It will give apple shape look . So in that way you can have any , that means whatever you want ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "without {disfmarker} uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We still need the buttons in the same places thought ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , button will be on the upper side , buttons will be the on the upper side .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "don't we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can standardise those , I mean .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , buttons will be on the upper side , lower side we will just put the casing ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that's the other side . Oh , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so half of that will be look the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , half a fruit . Oh , okay , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , not not the upper side . So from lower you can , it means while you are holding of {disfmarker} from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look , whatever .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything , we will just design casings fruit shape .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause when {disfmarker} if you think about it if they're wanting it , 'cause they want to look at it , if they're using it , and what they want to look at is facing away from them . It doesn't really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "unless you have sort of {disfmarker} you got the buttons options on one side , and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down . And you've got the facia , and you can just talk at the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} Okay , um so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "s I guess we decided on material , right ? So that that spongy latex rubber everything feel ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and the colours we got down ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the shape , maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , um because {disfmarker} Well , I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing , because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and uh because {vocalsound} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we stick with what we've got there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w I think wh wha would {disfmarker} we're trying to get to twenty five , thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said . They wanted something that looks fancy and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a {disfmarker} too much of a gimmick , but something ergonomically shaped and organic , like good to hold , based on fruits and natural things like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean we could make it nice pale yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So again I mean like we could have , uh I mean , we could quite easily have the the main body be a different",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "colour , but have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with , you said , the logan the slogan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "kinda going round , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I mean e even if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour , so you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great . {vocalsound} Um as for the energy source um , you know , almost every remote control uses just batteries , but we don't have to be limited by that . We can use a hand-dynamo . Um I don't know what that means , we crank it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh It's I think it's basically the more you move i it , it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda {vocalsound} powers it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , it's like those watches that you c",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , this might be an idea for something that people really wanna grab , you can shake it if it's out of power .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , a d a dynamo ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I like that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like with those watches that you kind of twist .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's quite cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So if it if it's not working , I guess people's natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . You shake it and scream at it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo , tha these type of cells ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it is , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because then people have to , well like if the cell is out of bat",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It does leave them with an obligation to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , to mo Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Especially if they want to use it uh uh sp uh specifically as um voice activated .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because most of the people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Then if it's just sitting on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right um what are the other options ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh there's solar power . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , solar power will w also not be a good idea , because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the days when there is no sola sunlight {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm I'm with uh Raj on that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so probably just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think , you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What we w",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I've got I've got no I've got a north facing house , there's not really ever sun coming in my window .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I think we should {disfmarker} a rechargeable {vocalsound} battery will be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But w {vocalsound} like just normal light ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They can they can recharge it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean I w I w uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that idea that I thought {vocalsound} um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is having a ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we're a very environmentally friendly company , aren't we as well ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "having a rechargeable stand , so that not only it doubles as a stand , but um for using it as {disfmarker} uh recharging it , but also for using it as sound recognition .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like like a hand {disfmarker} like one of those portable phones kind of thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's {disfmarker} Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So uh a rechargeable battery {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um the user interface , the buttons , I guess we talked about this already .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Rechargeable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . What's chip on print ? What's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , never mind . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh th the uh the electronics um , basically the more features we add um {disfmarker} Oops , this one . So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which adds to the cost as you can expect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . But uh I think we can keep it all under budget . So uh yes , so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break-through .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So just in time . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and if we if we're just having buttons and the speech then we're getting our cheapest option of chipping .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just in time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh woah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and keeping the L_C_D_ screen out . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we're we're kind of uh we're kind of um {vocalsound} Excuse m I've just deleted that whole thing . Um we're kind of running out of time , so if you could {disfmarker} Uh . {vocalsound} Was that you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um that was {disfmarker} your bit's covered ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah that was that was it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I just dele I just accidentally deleted what I was supposed to say next .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh excuse me , Bri",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So control F_ eight , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mine seems to have turned off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I just touch the pad .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I can't do anything .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You just touch the pad , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's actually shut down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's on , but there's nothing on the screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um now what we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Try uh flipping the screen down {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh our next meeting's in half an hour",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and what I would like you guys to do is work on giving me a model in clay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I get to do it , too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . It's you guys . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh neat .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So um , you know I mean , luckily we chose a nice simple shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Save everything to the shared documents , is that right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} That's great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , I hope I can recover this , 'cause I've accidentally deleted it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which doesn't really help me much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think , I've saved mine already .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , can you save that {disfmarker} uh send that last one again , please , Raj ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "as I still can't find it on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it was under a different name .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I will show you , in shared documents .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh working components {gap} . Oh , you didn't get that . I will send new .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Okay , thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I'll put it in shared documents , again .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , Project , Project Documents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Project documents , sorry , I put it in the shared documents .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's that's the that {disfmarker} it goes there automatically if you put it in Project Documents . Project Documents is on the um {vocalsound} desktop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , that's great . But I cou can't open that , because it w asks uh for some username or password .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Really ? {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I'll show you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh these lapel mics are trouble .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ts",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , I think um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hold on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I don't know if y it it just ca it just came up on my um on my agenda . S {vocalsound} Um presumably there's clay somewhere . Um . {vocalsound} Four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whoops . Light , light , please . Light . {vocalsound} Right , there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , th thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , quite . And we're using this our basic chip set , so it's all good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we done with our meeting ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh excuse me , Brian .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think we're almost done , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You have to keep your pen separate , because I used your pen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh oops .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry man . Uh okay , still didn't manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and {disfmarker} Uh . Apples . {vocalsound} Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm . 'Kay , so we came up with that , that's okay . What's supplements ? Supplements . Uh {vocalsound} uh . {vocalsound} See . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Fun .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I shoulda {gap} something like that . If I kn see I I knew that . I shoulda sort of engineered it so we k ended up making a diffi difficult shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just for cruelty . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Star fruit . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I wonder if they mean like literally make it , sort of buttons and everything .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So sh should Should we leave now , Brian ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Oh yeah , we can do buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or we are going to discuss something ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . Uh no , I think that's us our discussion over unless anybody's got questions {vocalsound} or confusions ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No I'm good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause I'm confused .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um uh we'll probably get questionnaire in a minute , it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Thank you . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There we go . Warning , finish meeting now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I rounded it up far too fast . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} . Where are we going ? My Documents , that's not what I want . My Project Documents . {vocalsound} There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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{
"answer": "In this meeting, the team was very satisfied with the three prototypes presented. However, they had to take the budget limits into consideration. Their current cost per remote control was fourteen point six Euros, while the budget required them to cut two more Euros. Therefore, a series of changes were done in order to meet the criteria, such as making the remotes flattened. In the end, the team was asked to make an evaluation about the project. All of them were very satisfied with the final product.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "According to Project Manager, currently, the new remote controls would cost fourteen point six Euros each. Unfortunately, that was two Euros over the budget. Then the team had a little discussion on how to reduce the cost. Eventually, the cost was reduced to eleven Euros sixty by adjusting two parts of the design. That left them plenty of room to add some other designs to the existing models. The final cost of the new remote controls was set at twelve Euros fifty each.",
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"244"
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]
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"answer": "In general, the team came up with two ways to reduce the costs. First, they would essentially remain the same shape as the prototypes, but just have it flattened. In User Interface's words, it would be more like a traditional remote control. Second, the team reached a consensus that the design of double curves shall be changed into a single curve since it was the biggest expense there. Luckily, after the discussion, the overall cost of the new remote controls went down to eleven Euros sixty.",
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]
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"answer": "Through a series of previous adjustments, the cost of the new remote controls had been effectively reduced. The team then decided to use some of the remaining cost budget to add another design to the new remotes. After discussion, the team thought it might be a good idea to have the slogan on the front because there was obviously more space there and the current slogan was not in an ideal place. With this little change, the overall cost of the new remote each went up to twelve Euros fifty, still under the budget limit.",
"query": "What kind of design did the team finally decide to add with the extra budget?",
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"202",
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]
},
{
"answer": "Most time of the discussion of this meeting was devoted into the evaluation of the new remote controls. According to the whole team, this project was excellent because it was creative and with great leadership and teamwork. Also, the technical stuff was brilliant. Lots of new ideas were found, such as glow-in-dark, new shapes, etc. Generally, they all gave a thumb up to the new remote controls. The overall evaluation is around two.",
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"answer": "In order to make the final evaluation, the team needed to give rating to these products. Of the design of the three fruits, the teams agreed to give two points. As for the trend, since fruits and vegetables were quite populous, the final rating was three. In terms of the company strategy, the rating was one because it perfectly conformed to the strategy. The overall evaluation is around two, which was quite good.",
"query": "What's the final evaluation of the project?",
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{
"answer": "Basically, the dissent mainly came from Marketing. According to Marketing, the company failed to offer enough options to the customers (only three options). Therefore, customers were limited. By limiting the customers, sales and profits would definitely be limited as well. However, User Interface disagreed with him because he believed that electronics were not the same as other products, for example chocolate. There were not always quite so many choices in electronics.",
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{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , almost there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint , I guess . How was that , was that fun ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Very fun .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes , but I will do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Upsidaisy . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "E excuse me I forgot my",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "copy . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "He's gonna get his pen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} Will you guys first with your prototype um before we get to the good news ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there's good news ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we have budget problems .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Cutbacks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm afraid you're all sacked . Oops .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't even have this on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay , have you got a presentation to make ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , not mine yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's just your your show .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um maybe we should bring {gap} so that the camera can see {gap} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We made three for you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um one's based on the banana , one's based on the tomato",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Tomato ? What tomato ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the other one is st",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't recall a tomato . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Look . Oh yeah , well yeah , we had v some red left over .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah I see , okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . Okay , so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one , or as mm few buttons as possible ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "mainly speak recognition . The yellow there is the um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Logo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the slogan , yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , brilliant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that we need to incorporate , it's very simple . If you do need buttons , you can flip it over , and there's some there ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um but mainly it's speech recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so the buttons would be like , you know individual users , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and {vocalsound} yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm I'm not sure about that . Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , you guys can have a look at that if you want .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's groovy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh can I have {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I like the feel of it , I like the feel of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure . Um that one is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry s {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , it's delicate .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "At Oh dear .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's that's already got its stand that one . That's it stand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It does also lie flat , but that's the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , brilliant mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um the black on the back is the slogan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , nice and obvious there {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , that {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , we did think of that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if it's standing up , I guess , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if it's standing up it's it's on there , but also we're gonna have the company name on the front , which is the little black kind of line in the middle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay , brilliant . Like that from its centre .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um and that's the um transmit the L_E_D_ thing . These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down . We n were weren't sure about putting them there , because um i it's it kind of could get bashed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Where you're , yeah , uh were you're holding it kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , if you hold it , you can {disfmarker} you all can hold it , is {disfmarker} it does actually feel quite ergonomic ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "if you've got small hands .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um , obviously I don't think that's real sized {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It would have to be a bit bigger .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , scale model , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um that's a speaker at the top , so you can speak into it like a little walkie-talkie as well for speak recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and {vocalsound} um then the buttons . Yeah kind of self-explanatory , just buttons whenever you need them . Tried to keep it simple . Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright , excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We used those {gap} . And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not in the traditional place ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but um it's quite an obvious place .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's out of the way as well , I suppose , so . Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This one is uh , I suppose for the younger audiences .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A a more friendly type of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , {vocalsound} so so Barney the banana {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , right . It's to uh induce more television watching I suppose or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah excellent , just what we need .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Say it for the camera .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool {gap} yeah . Well , nice to have uh options at least .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So are there any um improvements or issues or {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It won't stand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh there are issues , oh there are issues .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just let it lie down , it wont stand . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um main problem that we have unfortunately being finance .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , let's just enter in the um evaluation criteria .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} unfortunately the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons , uh it's gonna cost us fourteen point six Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we have to",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's on the uh on the left ? {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "rea Sorry , I've accidentally highlighted somehow {disfmarker} Um . {vocalsound} There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh god , why is it doing that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There we go . {vocalsound} So basically , um in order to save our two Euros um I was thinking that we could have essentially the same shape , but just have it flattened .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "More like a traditional remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean it's already got a kind of cool shape , so but it wouldn't have to be curved sort of in and out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And by doing so {disfmarker} Oh no , hold on . Doesn't save us quite as much . I don't know what's going on with this again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W why is the uh double curved two of them ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And double curve on both sides ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Curve {vocalsound} . Yeah , this is double-curve ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's {vocalsound} sort of curve in and out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is i",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is double-curve . It {disfmarker} This one is single curve .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause this is single curve , this is curved on both sides . So double-curve .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , I think it means double curved as in um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like an S_ shape .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like uh {gap} a single curve on that bottom half , and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I might be wrong though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like this , one curve on this side , one curve on that side .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that counts as a curve , I think that's just a shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A curvature is like the {disfmarker} this case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Cause that's the uh the biggest expense there , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} got two of them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and why why I've got it two , I don't know , I can't seem to select any more however .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well we can work around that um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Cut things out . But you think it should be one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's meant to be one , yeah , I don't know why I put two in there ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but um {disfmarker} Hold on till I find it , I think this shift button might be stuck again . No maybe the shift button's stuck in .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um okay , so that would take away three , which would give us {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so we're {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Eleven uh eleven Euros sixty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we could even add something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We cou Oh not quite , have the scroll-wheel , unfortunately .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We should fire the accountants .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fire the accountants . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah , we could add things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell , where you're starting from , and then use the arrow keys .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does that work ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know , that just extends it as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No mm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh you can do one thing {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You just select one box outsi yeah , this box . Then move it with the help of this {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} One of the buttons is sticking , I don't know {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just uh just uh {disfmarker} Okay , just a minute . Okay . No input , like this . {vocalsound} Shift . No it's not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , it's 'cause the uh the shift button's stuck , or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's not working .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it the other shift button maybe ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Should we ask Meli",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should we ask our technical expert Melissa ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No that's fine . Um we've worked out what it would be anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Did you try both shift buttons ? It could be the other side .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cancel . Piss off .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's too bad .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh well , never mind . Um {vocalsound} . Right , so that's finances and I dunno what we {disfmarker} what could we reckon we could add ? Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe we could add something , but maybe if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I suppose that's our that's that's our design that we've got . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What do you th We're trying to save money , so . Yeah , if we're happy with the design there's no point in spending money , if we don't have to .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if there is anything you think we've missed out there , then , you know , feel free to add it . Maybe {disfmarker} I mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the the slogan on the front ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it's not in an ideal place right now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that's that's uh {disfmarker} Okay , so project evaluation . We have under twelve {vocalsound} Euros fifty . Project process , how do we think that went ? Are we happy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think we have a a winning product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Evaluation . Oh we've been writing this up for m months .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it went quite smoothly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh room for creativity , were we happy with that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W I think we were very creative .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , I mea I think it means sort of individually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , no , maybe ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Groovy . So uh we're just gonna . Uh yeah , okay . Teamwork ? Leadership , sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great leadership . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Excellent leadership . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thank you very much . You're all get you're all getting a raise . Uh teamwork . I thought went well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , everyone got enough input , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh and well means , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The technical stuff was brilliant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Let's buy more .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh Right . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} These pens are are neat though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what , new ideas found , means , to be honest .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , these are new ideas , like glow-in-the-dark or something like that . We discussed all the new ideas , but of course we couldn't reach any proper goals , we couldn't use these {gap} , but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this . These are new ideas we And new shapes , everything",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": ". At le {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Groovy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So just general thumbs up for all of us then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That kind of unfortunately is too quick .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} . I suppose yeah . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh so let's talk about our bonuses and the raises we're getting for this , right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's it , um I think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Let's see if I can get this bloody thing to work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh maybe we should start cleaning up the clay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whoops . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does it go back in , does it ? Reusable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Something we should get {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what this is but it's really really annoying .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Uh Brian , have you have you finished ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh mine needs also this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I have , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At last mine is also the presentation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Huh ? Oh right , okay , you've got more , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you got a presentation ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh ok",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It didn't bother to tell me that on this",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "thing . Is it ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} is the project evaluated , that is mine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Doesn't tell me . {vocalsound} Oh you're doing that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We evaluated ourselves , we thought we were great . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , love to eat that now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Anybody {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Kind of a green banana now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Clay covered banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} this as well , sorry , we forgot to mention it'll be made out of kind of a rubbery latex , new material that we've got .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "O okay , hold on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I've got .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} blue .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I wonder w which cell do I want . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's fun to touch .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I didn't realise you had that bit . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh could you pass the tomato please .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Thank you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So now is the final evaluation , final evaluation of the uh uh of our product . How we are going to {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "means uh at what standard what standard {disfmarker} whether it meets our standards or not . How mu What rating we will give to these products . So of course this is {disfmarker} will be a team work , w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything . So what methodology I will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements , whether it meets the user requirements or not , this product . Then trends , whether it is as {gap} fashion trends or not ? Means {vocalsound} because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So this is also an important factor for our evaluation also . Then marketing strategy of the company . As we have already discussed that our company is quite {gap} in the market , not only in terms of providing quality products , not only in pro providing latest technologies , but also in terms of providing environmental s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry {gap} . Sorry ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "carry on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} but also in terms of providing environmental safe products , uh yeah like uh keeping uh keeping in mind all the safety issues . So {disfmarker} Now comes the criteria rating with seven point scale . I'm having this scale this scale ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we have to do it on a board .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} the user requirem I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The board working again , is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do we have the uh the marker for the board ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So these are the three crite criterias for our evaluation of our product . First of all uh comes user requirement .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not . I I will {disfmarker} first I would like to have your views , what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} I think {disfmarker} Yeah , it did .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the uh new technology that people said they wanted .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "When the user requirement is essentially just to operate the T_V_ ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does it work ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So what do you think you will personally give .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "of course we haven't actually got a working model yet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say seven .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seven . Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Seven is good , yeah , isn't it ? I can't {disfmarker} True or false ? No sorry tr one is true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh one is {disfmarker} means highest ranking , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But I think highest ranking is seven , or one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it's it's like true is one end , and false is the oth",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that's false .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right right . So it's one for from your point of view .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And what do you say our Industrial Expert ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh . It's hard to know . I I give it a two . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh d you can you can tell on on the like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think she has given her views on the basis of design , because she was our i Interface Expert .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you can give your views based on technology , whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I think i it might even exceed it um . But I guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {gap} I'm gonna give it a two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And what about uh you , Brian ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I'll go for a one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You will go for one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Basic requirements but of the pro of the project .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Uh for me personally it is everything fine , it may be having good design , it may be uh meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise , price-wise , but there is one thing which limits the customers , like we are having only two , three designs , like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah th {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} Uh yeah , lower end . And the third one is what you ge uh that is not a f fruit look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if a person doesn't like banana , or orange , you are limiting him .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Come on that was the tha {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , don't buy our product , because we are l we like this only .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we are showing our preference for particular fruits ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Being fruitist . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "two or three kinds rather , and {disfmarker} Yeah . {vocalsound} So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that no is that not trends ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh no , uh personally as a Marketing Expert I don't believe that ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because whatever companies {disfmarker} they launch their products in the shape of fruits , they give a range of products , a range of shapes , like if we see , look at the smallest thing , toffee chocolates , they give a variety of different things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Some children like to buy banana shape , some apple shape , some even pineapple shape , some orange shape .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you can {gap} {disfmarker} what shape a person will like .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So in this case giving only one or two choices we are lim limiting our customers . And by limiting them , we are limiting our sales , limiting our profit also .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . But in electronics , I think , it's not q always quite so um {disfmarker} you don't always have so many choices as with chocolates .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think , you know , if you're going to buy a T_V_ maybe a company'll have {disfmarker} That you're going to choose from , a company'll have two or three choices , but they're different designs . We were coming up with one product .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh maybe . Okay but I will I will personally {disfmarker} won't give it {gap} beyond three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean uh {vocalsound} obviously your opinion ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm just trying to {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} He's a tough cookie .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , on an average we can think three , four sevenths , maybe . Three or four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , no sorry ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Six . Five or six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What are we doing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What are we doing ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No sorry , sorry , sorry , sorry , we are doing a very wrong thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Adding them up ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're gonna average them ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , we are taking everything ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So seven fourths .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that's {disfmarker} I have taken it very wrongly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah uh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "About one point f one point eight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "three four four two six seven seven sev Yeah one pe exactly . So we can say one or two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} because it is one point eight uh {gap} two , so we will do two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah round it up to two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So trends .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So where were the trends .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Can you explain what you want us to write there ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How it {disfmarker} how conforms to the current trends ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , again the the fashion trends , this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the {vocalsound} uh as a fruit shape or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well um going on uh the specifications that we had , that fruit and vegetables are quite popular , and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons , I would give it um , well , because it's hard to make a fruit good to look at , that that looks cool , you know ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so I would actually give it a three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tha three or four , I'm not sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Three . Go for three . That's fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . As far as the uh technology it its' got the latest trends in speech technology , but it's missing the screen , as we said , um but it does have the push-buttons , or the scroll-buttons , um but it doesn't have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism . So I give it a a four . I'd give it a kinda middle of the road for",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "for technology .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I am sort of pret uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Just the fruit does me in , I mean uh it might",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it might be trendy to some , but I'm just not swallowing the fruit , so um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh also uh I would have liked to have seen the L_C_D_ screen in it . Um so yeah I'd say about four as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh personally I wi uh I think that in terms of trends , these products are quite good , like , these products are in fruit shape , because that wha people now {disfmarker} our fashion trend shows that people like everything {disfmarker} all f everything that is being advertised , like clothes , shoes , and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables , or getting them {gap} or showing some association with them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So and in this way our product is good . And the second thing , now people don't want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that is also ef that also {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Our product meets the f the fashion uh trends of the market . And yes . It is cus spongy also . So they can play with it , it's quite good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So then I think , maybe I can give it two . So four five ten thirteen thirteen {gap} . So we can {disfmarker} Is it fine ? So what about company strategy ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well it was yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the company strategy , okay . Um {vocalsound} there was lot of discussing , that was good . Um I feel I got my say . Um so I'd give the company strategy a {vocalsound} two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think it's the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that the question ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it ? Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so {vocalsound} one or two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One . Okay , just leave it , it's fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll go with two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So what about you , Brian ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , a three . Pretty much kept to the company strategy , so I would go for a {disfmarker} a one , as we not only kept it , but we were limited by {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and me also , like , this product me uh me uh me uh this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers' requirement , as per latest technology , and it should be environmental safe . So since our product meets all these requirements , so I would also prefer to give it rank one . So four six six",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So one and a half .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "half .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we can say two or one {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A two . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So th seven seven . Uh overall we are getting two {gap} something , but we can round it as two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I think overall uh evaluation of our product is quite good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool , groovy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can launch it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Brilliant . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Woo-hoo .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} In which case we are done . 'Cause we've evaluated and we are within budget . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Champagne lunch anyone ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . {vocalsound} Great . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
ES2007a
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"22",
"124"
]
],
"topic": "Opening warm-up game aka tool training"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"142",
"161"
]
],
"topic": "Functions and characteristics of an ideal remote control"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"162",
"183"
]
],
"topic": "Feasibilities of potential functions concerning budget and pricing"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"184",
"232"
]
],
"topic": "Possible designing operations of remote controls"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"233",
"285"
]
],
"topic": "Potential designs which accord with demographic marketing strategies"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team got warmed-up through the opening drawing game which also works as the tool training process. The meeting was primarily composed of discussions among team members on potential functions and designs of remote controls based on their own life experiences. By then, feasibilities on budgets and demographic marketing strategies were also taken into consideration which influence greatly the potential functions and designs.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Firstly the group confirmed that their target is a TV remote control. Marketing expects the control to be produced in medium size. User Interface indicated that the control should have a simple practical interface, without a great amount of buttons. Project Manager intended to relate the control with other devices like DVD, HI-FI, video, etc. And the team agreed on the inexpensiveness of the control.",
"query": "What are the functions and characters discussed by the group that a remote control should incorporate?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"142",
"165"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager had an idea of the insertion of LCD display screen on the remote control, which may possess different pages for different devices. However, they reaffirmed the budget of twenty-five per unit and decided to be realistic with the budget.",
"query": "What is the problem concerning feasibility?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"162",
"175"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing believed that an ideal remote control should compress 3-4 different controllers in a thin combination. Users can switch controllers by sliding or flipping. Industrial Designer proposed a two-sided controller and said that he could keep it simple on one side and complicated on the other side.",
"query": "Summarize the group's discussion about technical and functional designs of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"184",
"195"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer and Project Manager proposed the two-sided remote control, whose one side could be designed for kids and the other for adults. However, in this way, User Interface prospected a potential hard manipulation.",
"query": "What is the disagreement concerning the two-sided remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"196",
"210"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager proposed the design of a flip telephone which could help solve this problem. When the controller is flipped open, users got all the buttons ; while basic buttons are on the cover. The team reached an agreement on it.",
"query": "How did the team reached an agreement on solving potential problems of the two-sided remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"206",
"213"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing proposed the design of a lid to avoid accidental pressing and touching. Project Manager proposed the design of a lock which could increase safety insurance for kids.",
"query": "What kind of design did the team proposed to help implement demographic marketing strategies?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"233",
"282"
]
]
}
] |
[
{
"content": "Mm-hmm ? Okay . Ooh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we're 'kay ? On the {gap} or {disfmarker} No . I dunno where to put it 'cause the {disfmarker} Okay . Could you s take it off ? {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that alright ? {vocalsound} {gap} or {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How do we sta wa how do we start ? Does anybody know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , another one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we free to take notes uh {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} . Hmm . Okay , just hang on a second everybody . I haven't actually looked at this yet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Very nice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . If you're all ready .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . Project aim is a new remote control . It's original , uh trendy and it's user-friendly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting . Tool training . Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So are we supposed to bring the little things for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why don't you just c , I think just clip on {disfmarker} clip",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} do you have a belt ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Clip {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or put 'em in your pocket , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} {gap} okay . So my favourite animal {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what's your favourite animal ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it rude ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's an elephant . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's a very good elephant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The back end of an elephant .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh my gosh , I'm never gonna be able to draw that well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} okay , it's big , it's got a great memory .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does it ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Supposed to have a great memory , we say an elephant never forgets .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh dunno know why but {vocalsound} looks like nice to me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Wonderful , well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nice animal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you want to use the wipe {disfmarker} the m the wiper and wipe it off ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Aesthetic yep , sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea what my favourite animal is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , my favourite animal ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh let's see .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a liger {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A what ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a combination of a lion and tiger {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's a hilarious movie .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You have to see it . And and it's best characteristic is it's pretty much the awesomest animal . But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great . Me ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Miss mar Miss Marketing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Not quite sure how this is gonna work .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There {gap} go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Cool . {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} well I'll try my best {vocalsound} to draw . Can I just draw the face ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh . It's a cat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's a very pr pretty cat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which also has what ? A big fat body and big {disfmarker} and a long tail .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , do y do you wanna do some {disfmarker} write {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Why ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you wanna just write some words about it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because um cuddly . And usually cats are very friendly . Usually . And they're healing as well . They heal . And they can feel when a human's got problems so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow , so they're kinda spiritual .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , that's why I like cats .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There we are , that's me . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't actually have a favourite animal ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I honestly can't draw for toffee . Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Really ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A prairie dog ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} no {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh a squirrel ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's exactly what it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh not a very good one {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not bad I would say .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's pretty good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well , you got it's a s It's a squirrel , and I like them , because they're cute and stupid .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Very good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay , so , I guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Let's move on to the next page . Okay , project finance , selling price twenty five Euros , profit aim fifty million Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Market range internationally sold .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be {disfmarker} can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah right okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} experience with with remote control , so talk about who who's used what . Any ideas ? Stuff like that . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . {vocalsound} At quarter to twelve . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think before we close uh , we are expected {disfmarker} I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where . I mean if you wanna go back to the last slide . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think we're {disfmarker} I mean before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think this is just the preliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would {disfmarker} roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right , who's got experiences with remote controls then ? Pretty much everybody .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think we've all got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is this a T_V_ one we are supposed to make ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah it's a T_V_ remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "T",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A new remote control for T_V_ . What would I like ? {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W what {disfmarker} You want it big do you want it small . Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that's that's big and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Medium .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah it seems like there's like {disfmarker} there's sort of a tension between two ideas , I mean , you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ the D_V_D_ player , or something like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Video and ts hi-fi and stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but like at the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you {disfmarker} yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "now th that's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but that would p that would probably be quite expensive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But how do we know how much uh , I mean , how much do we have per {disfmarker} how much ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twelve fifty .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Twelve fifty . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Each .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Per unit , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So do we have to be realistic within the budget or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well at the moment we could , wa I mean we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Close pr I don't know how much it would cost . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we've found out what we can like , some different ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these {disfmarker} any of these ideas are feasible or not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't we have like one that comes out ? {vocalsound} Like so you have one in like {disfmarker} mm",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it doesn't have to be really thick . I mean remote controls can be thin bits . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then you have another one , you slide it out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} have slides . And then it all comes compact",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "into one . So it's not {disfmarker} you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner , and um into one basically .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Th that's an idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you just flip them out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {gap} have uh one very complicated one on one side with {vocalsound} all the D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ access and stuff , and then on the other side o {vocalsound} one uh a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel , program plus and {vocalsound} minus , and the just the mute button , for example . I can real keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One side for kids , one side for adults .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'm not sure if that's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or grandma as well , you know it's like {vocalsound} what is the mute button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though , 'cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , but you would slide it into uh someth like something on the back would hold {disfmarker} like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like it {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or something like a flip telephone , something like that maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That would be cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "F flip it open and you've got all the buttons , or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking that like a flip .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , oh we've got five minutes left .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Start breaking up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we've got a k we've got a few ideas there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we should uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception {disfmarker} you know {gap} stage one was technical functions design , what effect the apparatus should have . Okay . Um so I mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface , but the the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the T_V_ , but also devices connected to the to the T_V_ , I mean , be able to operate",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "D_V_D_ players , things like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I have got {disfmarker} I think we should also have a back-up plan of {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that {disfmarker} I mean we don't , we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything . We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control , that just {disfmarker} that is just for a T_V_ , but it's just a really good , nice one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you reckon ? See 'cause , {gap} I'm just thinking {disfmarker} bearing in mind th we've gotta {disfmarker} we have to have something that's cheap to make .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean {gap} . Yeah , that's true , maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good T_V_ remote , and have it be um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh simple to use , and looks decent and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "May w you know , maybe even {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe even so something that's for disabled people",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean if it's if it's just like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or so people that uh b don't see very well or {disfmarker} big buttons for {disfmarker} touchy buttons for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorta find a niche for our remote , like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or just one that looks really fucking cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "certain certain demographic {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Could be really light or , I dunno , something special .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no I think you're right . Yeah , rathe rather than focus on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise we'll be we'll be here all day talking about {gap} do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause at the end of the day if it says just T_V_ remote , doesn't say com combination with all all the r {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean obviously everyone {disfmarker} we're uh you know uh sounds like we're all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once , but you know , that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's right . Yeah . I mean I'd like one that makes tea as well , but {vocalsound} that's not gonna happen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think a flip up thing , 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this {disfmarker} well I did anyway , like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach , and you'd come and sit down and {disfmarker} ooh , the telephone's {disfmarker} the television switched on or something . So maybe something that like does have a lid or closes , so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But make it like really snazzy and cool {gap} people will want it . So make it {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's gotta be sellable . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true what you were saying , I mean it doesn't have to have a flip function , it can just have a lock function , so that it's not uh not usable when you don't want it to be usable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And even for kids as well . It's um it's safer for them , I guess . Like they don't flick onto channels and all that sl flick onto . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No porn channel for children .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um alright ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so we've got some ideas , we've got um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess that's good good for now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Let's move on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oops , let's close that . Next meeting , uh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W What does I_D_V_I_D_N_M_E_ stand for ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer um which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah ri okay . {gap} these are requirement specification .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And I'm marketing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there you go . {vocalsound} So {gap} {disfmarker} User Interface Designer , that's that's",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's me . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's you , so you gotta {gap} you go , you're you're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer , you are the one {gap} , you know , you're gonna be working out kind of box it goes in , I guess so , um whether it's {gap} what goes into the box , somehow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Har how it works an",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And in marketing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bu",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} These are requirement specification .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "User requirements specifications .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what the user requires",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you think our two kind of overlap , because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in a remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess that's what it says .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You two {vocalsound} you two are gonna be just , I think , you just double up , you know , you {disfmarker} working together .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You're the one that's gotta go and find out {disfmarker} do th do the research , see what people want in a remote , what buttons are used more often , and s stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , we've been warned to finish the meeting now . Okay . Okay everyone , well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , see you in thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} , do we take these off ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
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"answer": "This meeting is mainly about three presentations from three team members. First, it was Industrial Designer's presentation on the working design of the remote control; then, User Interface introduced the layout design of the remote control; and at last, Marketing made a report on the user experience survey and potential user-friendly functionalities. At the same time, various discussions among team members went on concerning their presentations, on the industrial design, user interface, appearance and functionality of the remote control.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer considered batteries as the energy source. Marketing thinks that changing batteries all the time could possibly be annoying, so she suggests other energy options like solar charging. But Industrial Designer refutes this problem because people change batteries simply every six months. User Interface raised the question on the operational distance of the infra-red signal and hoped that the remote control could be equipped with a strong signal stream. But Project Manager rendered it unnecessary because TV is always put in a short distance. Later the team discussed the necessity of through-wall signal and Bluetooth, and decided that this idea remained an idea for some budget reasons and the lack of necessity.",
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"answer": "In the presentation from User Interface, he first made sure of the position of the team’s remote control —— a remote control with basic functionalities and with some improvements. The must-haves would include volume control, channel keys up-down, a numerical keypad, a mute button and would exclude the lock button which was discussed in the precedent meeting. He made an introduction of two types of remotes: engineering centred ones which provide a lot of functionality and user centred which focus on the easiness of use. Later, the team discussed the locking function which Project Manager expected greatly, and also on the integration of the corporate image into the design of the remote control. At last, regarding the layout of the remote control, User Interface would like to make some improvements over two buttons concerning the ergonomic design.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about User Interface's presentation?",
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"answer": "User Interface said the locking function is a novel idea and a good inspiration. He had never seen a locking functionality. But User Interface thought that the locking function might be unnecessary, while Project Manager thought it probably should be easy to be realized in a physical form like a cover, a switch or a flip thing.",
"query": "What did the team think of the locking function when discussing User Interface's presentation on the layout of the remote control?",
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"answer": "The team discussed the topic of potential user-friendly features for the old and the young. Marketing mentioned the probable insertion of tracking devices which recognize personal preferences, like voice activator, because people may easily forget the position of the remote controls in the room. However, later the team decided to put aside this idea for budget reasons. Then, Marketing mentioned RSI, or repetitive strain injury, which should be taken into consideration in the process of ergonomic design. Industrial Designer mentioned that this could probably be avoided by touching a button instead of pressing a button.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about Marketing's presentation?",
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"answer": "The team is going to design a basic television remote which looks cool and is safe to be used. As for the industrial design of the remote control, due to reasons of budget and simplicity, the remote control will use infrared signals instead of Bluetooth, and the energy source would be batteries.",
"query": "What was the conclusion and summary that Project Manager extracted after the three presentations from team members?",
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"answer": "Project Manager insisted the manifestation of company image on the remote control, like the slogan, symbol or other recognizable patterns. Marketing thought the remote controls should be in the same colour, while Project Manager thought it unnecessary. User Interface suggested that the pattern needs to be recognisable. Industrial Designer gave an example that the RR logo or thematic colours could be placed around the lock button.",
"query": "What did the team discuss about the appearance of their remote controls?",
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"content": "Think we can first {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right it was function F_ eight or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Tha",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This one right there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Think we all {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You will as well ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh . Oh I thought we all were .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I have one too , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whoops I forgot to put the thing on {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . I just wanna {disfmarker} 'cause basically I can't re I've {disfmarker} really crap at remembering everyone's name so I just wanna {disfmarker} rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that {vocalsound} wanted to know your names again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll {vocalsound} you know . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Sure , that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm Catherine with a C_ . C_A_T_H_ E_R_ I_N_E_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh Gabriel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Gabriel . E_L_ is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "E_L_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . And you're s r R_E_I_S_S_ {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I am Reissa . R_E_I_S_S_A_ . Double S_ A_ , yeah {vocalsound} yeah . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'S just a bit nicer calling people by their names I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right , welcome to meeting B_ . Um this is gonna go a lot better than the last meeting , basically ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh 'cause I know what I'm supposed to be doing now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I am your Project Manager , and , uh yeah , I'm just here to",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going , get people talking and and I'm gonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically . Um right , this {disfmarker} for the purposes of this meeting {disfmarker} what this meeting is all about is um I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you , what you've been working on for the last wee while , when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and , you know , filling out silly questionnaires and things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But hopefully you've been {disfmarker} actually been doing something productive . So we're gonna {disfmarker} each of you gonna give us a litt a little presentation . {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Then we're gonna {vocalsound} work , you know , from each of your presentations . We'll we'll uh talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all . Um and then we'll , yeah , we'll {gap} sort of conclude {gap} anything else comes up at the end of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How long is the meeting ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This meeting it's not very long . It's uh probably down to about thirty five minutes now . So I want each of your presentations to not be too long , five five minutes , something like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} No problem . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy , it doesn't matter , it it just it just says that you {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} that's just one particular medium . If you haven't had time to prepare one , you can draw stuff on the noteboard , you can talk to us , you can {disfmarker} you know however you want to do your little presentation , basically , you can . Don't feel pressurised into using this thing . 'Cause I don't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh okay . So um . You okay over there ? Reissa ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm fine . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "are you uh b are you joining in with this meeting here",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I uh yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just uh doing some Internet shopping there ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Think she's finishing up her presentation .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "D I mean , I I'm finishing off my presentation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No no . {vocalsound} Uh I'm done . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , jolly good . Alright , let's have um {disfmarker} well , we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the first thing we should look at is um {vocalsound} probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be . So that's gonna be you Catherine ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if we wanna hear from you first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um just connecting this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to worry about screwing it in just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we getting i Really ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Cool . Okay . So I've got a very quick uh {disfmarker} Uh . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the working design , I've got a very quick presentation on this , so um I've {disfmarker} oh no , you can't see a thing . {vocalsound} Oh well , I'm gonna draw it on the board then . It's in blue uh , and I couldn't change it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We it's fine on my screen , but never mind . So um {vocalsound} the idea is that we've got the energy source um , which in our case will pr , oh well {disfmarker} okay , never mind . So um I think maybe uh two batteries , I dunno what they're called {gap} six , or something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh and then {vocalsound} um then on the uh remote control itself will have um the sender for the signal , which could be uh an infra-red signal , um which will be sent by an electronic chip . And uh the chip will be controlled by the user interface . So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels . Um and that's it really for the working design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry the presentation wasn't very uh clear but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Really ? Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , should I erase this or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna just give us a moment , I just wanna copy this down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fine . {vocalsound} Or suggestions ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is a battery like the only way of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's just , you don't want it plugged in really , s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , alternate energy source , like win wind power or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , you blow on it and i {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In indoors . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Bicycle power .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No I meant like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No 'cause like cha 'cause {disfmarker} always changing um um batteries can get like annoying .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The battery's down and {disfmarker} maybe {vocalsound} , I dunno , solar charged ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's worked for the last fifty years you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One question I have , and I don't know how much control we have over this is um , as far as the infra-red signal , do we have control over , you know , how far away you can be from the receiving unit , the the T_V_ , and still have it be operational ? I mean , maybe we want one with a strong signal stream .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How far away is your television ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be , you kno unless you've got a T_V_ the size of a football pitch , it's not {disfmarker} doesn't have to go that far ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , the thing is uh you you don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "does it ? Doesn't have to go through a wall , because you're not gonna be looking through a wall .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the {disfmarker} put the telephone down , and go into the other room . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it . I didn't think about that but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How about Bluetooth ? {gap} Instead of using infra-red , use Bluetooth .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Why not ? I just think that it's it's gonna cost more",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Isn't that a better signal ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah I d it sounds like you {gap} you w don't wanna overcomplicate things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I'm I'm not sure it's {disfmarker} you're gonna use it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know we don't need it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice , but then I don't th I dunno , either you {disfmarker} if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you are gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Basically , we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff . It's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we can we can keep the idea if you i We can see at a later stage , maybe , I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'S just an idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right , well done , Catherine . Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let's hear from you on on on such things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you need the border ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Sorry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Technical {gap} . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so , while this is warming up ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Adjusting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "there it is uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'm doing the user interface design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and basically uh , as far as methods , I was I was looking looking at looking at uh already existing remotes , trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there . Thinking of what we can retain , what we can do away with , uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design um . {gap} we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change , I guess , I mean people want a remote that's familiar , that has their favourite functionalities um and and does the basics , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so we can improve what's out there and maintain that , the basic functionality that people want . Um so things that {vocalsound} seem like absolute must-haves uh would be a volume control , um so up-down keys for that , uh channel keys up-down , but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want , rather than doing up-down , and uh a mute button . Uh one thing that I didn't include here , that I forgot that we talked about last time , was doing um some sort of lock uh function .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I don't I dunno , uh that's one possibility . And so in the research that I was doing there's basically two types of remotes , ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred , which I don't know if I can access the web page from here , but I can show you {disfmarker} uh . Yeah . So this is a engineer centred one , so you see it's rather busy , but it also lets you play your movie , stop your movie , fast-forward , all this , um {vocalsound} freeze frame .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh and this is a user centred one . Uh it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see {vocalsound} what's possible to do ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you're not gonna be staring at it for five minutes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after , uh or the direction we were going in at least . Um . So , the engineering centred ones uh provide a lot of functionality , but it can be a little bit overwhelming , so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use . Uh and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person uh , Reissa ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because uh we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So uh , yeah , that's me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great . Okay . Now that's I just have a q a q question for you . This w um research that you've been doing looki looking at other , you know , existing units {gap} stuff . Um have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know . I mean obviously another {disfmarker} {gap} exists {gap} like you like you said in in mobile phones .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was sort of the inspiration for it . Um I've never seen that with {disfmarker} in in all my years in in the remote business .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I've , haven't I've never seen a locking functionality . I dunno , what uh do you guys have a a yea or nay on that {gap} a feeling about whether that's really necessary ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} I would say it's {disfmarker} If it's simple to do , which I think it probably should be ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "even if it's a physical , you know , a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote , even something like that , um then yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's {gap} like , you know , like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing , something like that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but you know being physical . Look into . Um I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred {vocalsound} well , something we should take into account is um we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit . It's gotta d look like it's in the R_ and R_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You know , the the company it's it's , from what I can see from our other products , are yellow with blue writing on them . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . And our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We put the fashion in electronics . There you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think I think we have to carry that mental .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable . If if remote control {disfmarker} well , if telephones can be fashionable , then maybe remote control units can be .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah these , I think , we can {disfmarker} so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because we need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here , I mean .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , everything is going t ergonomic , you know , there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of uh uh in the market , I guess . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , fantastic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , well done , Gabriel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um Reissa . Let's plug you in , baby .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where does it go into ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Here ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The blue thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yeah , this is getting all {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , then you just have to do function F_ eight and it should come up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , function F_ eight . No {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , w it it just takes a wee while .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it just takes a second uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "oh . {vocalsound} Come on . Right . Okay . {gap} . Okay . Well , for our marketing report uh we observed remote control users in a usability lab , and also gave {disfmarker} so this is research {disfmarker} and we also gave participants um questionnaires to fill out . Um total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know , so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings . So seventy five per cent of users find the remote control ugly . Okay , so they don't like the look of the remote control . Um eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy . So I think we all agree with that . Um {vocalsound} current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user . So , they don't like {disfmarker} like the way they operate it doesn't like match how people behave . Um {gap} per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote , so probably if you have like one , two , three , four , five , the whole up to z ten , they probably don't use those , they only use the up and down channel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause we've only got five channels . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound} exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's another thing . {vocalsound} Um seventy five per cent of users say they zap . Not quite sure what they mean , zap , goes like {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that's k flicking quickly between channels .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you wanna navigate the channels quickly I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Um takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . I think especially for uh the older generation . I know my grandmother doesn't like mobile phones , takes ages to work how to use . Anyway um and they also {disfmarker} remotes often get lost in the room , so nobody can find them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So maybe tracking devices is a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um personal preferences . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You are a child of technology , aren't you ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um so yeah um {vocalsound} I was thinking something easy to use , especially for older people . Um {vocalsound} has to look really cool , flashy groovy for people to buy it . And it's easy to find {vocalsound} , so I don't know whether maybe {disfmarker} and also we asked them whether they wanted {vocalsound} {disfmarker} whether they'd be interested in um {vocalsound} voice activating .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So voice activation . So and this was what we came up with . Then if you look fifteen to twenty five {disfmarker} this is age , sorry , {gap} age groups . So fifteen to twenty five said like ninety two {disfmarker} ninety one per cent of them said yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So there you go , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one . And neither did the older generation , but the younger generation who we are catering for , like who have most of the money nowadays , do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh but do the younger generation have the money ? They they don't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No I would I would say the older the older people , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's older generation , they're the ones that have gone out and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well the twenty five to thirty five year old , and thirty five , and the thirty five to forty five , forty five point seven per cent {gap} say no , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For people up to the age of thirty five , you're kinda saying , yeah , they want it . Um but no they're not {gap} sort of {disfmarker} most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be my guess as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh 'cause they're the ones that have been working for twenty years .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So they don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} d and tha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and that's a {vocalsound} that's quite a minority there , so yeah , it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "These guys are growing up . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost ? I mean if if it's twelve fifty per unit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , okay , there's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Voice activation might not be the best .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say scra I'd say scrap that straight off .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um also with um with buttons , {vocalsound} a thing called R_S_I_ , so wrist sense {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain uh rep repetitive strain injury",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Huh ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or like from doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , repetitive strains injury , so they don't {disfmarker} I think people who watch T_V_ maybe too often , keep changing channel hurts their wrist .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well {vocalsound} maybe they shouldn't watch so much T_V_ then . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't think so . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So y so it's so it's so you got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "maybe not so hard .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "see {vocalsound} have a look if um there's any w any medical background we can find out about this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it could be , instead of pressing button it could be just touching a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's jus {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we just want {disfmarker} need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time , say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we should probably consult with our legal department uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} They're having a lunch break at the moment , but {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll see if I can get {disfmarker} see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think we can do some really {disfmarker} in in that department , the the ergonomic department , we can make some some really good improvements .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or we just like flat buttons , something . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that is me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's great , thank you very much for that , Reissa . {vocalsound} Um okay , so we've basically we've decide we've d we've decided that it's gonna be , you know uh , we're going for a basic television remote . It's gotta be safe to use , it's gotta look cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's gotta be cheap . S um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now going back to the uh industrial design of it , you know , we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth . I think , we should just go with the simplest option on everything , uh and that would be infra-red , energy source , that would be batteries . Uh mean we we can look into using the s , you know , the little tiny weeny batteries , all like special long-lasting batteries . Um . {vocalsound} But a in {disfmarker} there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years , because technology will have changed and , you know , we won't have televisions in ten years' time . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we're all um pretty sussed on that . Um anyone have any questions ? Everybody happy in their work ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it seems like we're all on the {disfmarker} pretty much on the same page .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now {gap} this is good , we've got a good structure going on . We all know where we're going to . {vocalsound} Have you been ge has {disfmarker} have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's probably just you , 'cause you're the project manager . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , just questionnaires .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sell {disfmarker} trying to sell your things {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um okay . Do {disfmarker} oh {gap} have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you can .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Do all you all know my e-mail address ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . No I don't . I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , in the project announcement , you've got the addresses , I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think he's participant one , aren't you ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So Project Manager , it's participant one at A_M_I_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Oh , it's just participant one oh okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You have them i you have them ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it's just w it's just it's just par participant one , participant two . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but we'll send you an e-mail .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Send me , yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You want to have friends , don't you ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as {gap} maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue ? I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background , but I might be just going a bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white {disfmarker} with yellow borders .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe that's {vocalsound} like getting ahead of ourselves .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe you can come up with a few {disfmarker} with a couple of different ideas ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can't we have different colours in the remotes , so somebody can choose different col",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like does it have to be of a certain ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's gotta say {disfmarker} people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But if it's a R_R_ , it would be Real Reaction ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There's loads of companies that called R_R_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like if it had a symbol on it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This is slog {gap} but this is the slogan , this is the the the the type .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoa .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so , I mean , we are sort of beholden to them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we have to have it one colour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , not necessarily . But we have to incorporate it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not one colour , but the pattern needs to be recognisable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not necessarily even if i it just has to {disfmarker} ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "as opposed to a Sony product or a , you know , a Panasonic product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's got to {disfmarker} so maybe , so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein , perhaps .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It could come {disfmarker} But it could come in different colours and have the R_R_ colours just somewhere",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} like just around the lock button could be the R_R_ logo or colours and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Quite poss yeah . Well this is all your department . Mm okay . Well , well done everybody .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And um , I think we uh stop for lunch now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , pretty soon I think , I guess that's now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are we are we finished ahead of schedule ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We might possibly have done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , see you all soon .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish , then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there you go . Right . I just have to {disfmarker} there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down , but {disfmarker} Take your headsets off , kick back , smoke 'em if you got 'em . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
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"answer": "This meeting is mainly about three presentations from three team members to talk about what the team is supposed to be doing. First, it was the Industrial Designer's presentation on energy source and case material ; then, User Interface introduced potential buttons, the layout design, and the color of the remote control ; and at last, Marketing made a presentation on three important marketing points that the team should pay attention to, which are fancy appearance, innovative technology and user-friendliness. Various discussions went on among team members concerning their presentations.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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"answer": "They discussed the energy source, which can be a basic battery, a hand dynamo, a kinetic provision of energy like that on watches, or a combination of battery and solar power. Each kind of energy source has its own advantages and disadvantages. The basic battery costs less, and the kinetic provision of energy could be cooler and fancier. Regarding the design of the case, Industrial Designer claimed that it could be a general fact one, a curved one or a double curved one which is more ergonomic. Concerning the material of the case, Industrial Designer claimed that it could be plastic, latex, rubber, wood or titanium. At last they decided that the control is going to be a double curved rubber case, with rubber push-buttons and basic battery.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about Industrial Designer's presentation on energy source and case material design of the remote control?",
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"answer": "Marketing motioned for the idea of the sample sensor, which is something like a sample speaker, which has the function of voice recognition, and can help switch channels on hearing the direction of users. But this idea was abandoned because of unnecessity and expensiveness.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about the sample sensor?",
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"answer": "User Interface made a presentation on buttons the control should include and on the layout of the buttons. The team vetoed the idea of the speech recognition interface which is expensive and unnecessary. At last the team decided not to have any sort of display, but a simple straight set of push-buttons, with a power, channel up, channel down, volume up, volume down, a numerical keypad, and a lock button or a cover. Then they discussed some supplements like colours or particular gimmicky bits. User Interface proposed the utilization of a couple of colours like black and yellow, with special parts like the RR logo in yellow. User Interface suggested having a rubber case for safety reasons.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about User Interface's presentation on buttons, the layout design, and the color of the remote control?",
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"answer": "Marketing made a presentation on important aspects the team need to pay attention to concerning the remote control market. A most important aspect is its look and feel, so that the remote control has to look and feel fancier to meet customer's demands. The second point is that it should be technologically innovative. And then they found that the decisions the team had already made on interface didn't match the first two points that Marketing had raised. Then they discussed the Bluetooth function which was turned down and on the kinetic provision of energy. User Interface suggested using squeezable rubber which could be an energy generator. The third point that Marketing raised was easy to use. She suggested that next year's fashion would be fruits and vegetables so the team had the idea of making some buttons into fruit shapes. Regarding the color of the control, Project Manager had the idea of marketing the control in different colors for different groups of people like iPod.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about Marketing's presentation on three important marketing points that the team should pay attention to?",
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"answer": "Marketing thought that Bluetooth is a fancy function that may attract customers. However, Project Manager reckoned that the Bluetooth function means that users need a television that has Bluetooth function. Televisions rarely have this function. Marketing thought that it would be a new trend and they need to move away from what they already had and go creative. But after all the proposal of Bluetooth was suspended.",
"query": "What did the team think of Marketing's proposal of Bluetooth?",
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"content": "Oh right okay . {vocalsound} I cover myself up . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I feel like Madonna with one of these on . I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I've always wanted one of these , I really have . {vocalsound} Where do you buy 'em from ? {vocalsound} They're {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Hello everybody .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hello .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Back again for another wonderful meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is uh everyone ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Almost . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we c we can hold on for a minute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh my gosh . {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I figured with the spam thing , if you can't beat it , join in . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are you ready ? Okay , right , well , I take it that you are all ready now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting . Um {vocalsound} which was we got together just to basically decide on {disfmarker} well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and who we all are and stuff like that , mm get bit more of an idea together of what's going on . {vocalsound} Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it's a T_V_ remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that , that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today . Um yeah , we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound} Do you have any preference uh of order ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um I'd like to um hear",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first . I want {disfmarker} what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using and",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Batteries .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think she is still finishing her {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no no no , it's fine I'm just preparing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's just that {disfmarker} yeah , let's let's hear from you first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Where is that thing ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , couldn't see .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Would that work ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Get yourself in position . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so that's me again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamo which is {disfmarker} which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember that kind of {disfmarker} which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't think any of us remember the fifties .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it like a crank thing or something {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah . It wouldn't be very fancy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You can have a kinetic provision of energy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that {disfmarker} it will give it the energy to work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or you can use solar cells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , there's sometimes combinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with {disfmarker} but also using some solar power .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do {gap} sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does anybody know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno actually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . Um . Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh if we want something fancier , I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I don't know if it's worth the cost . So we've got to discuss that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay , jolly good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} For the case of the remotes itself , um they can be a general case , which is just a flat one . You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one , if you know what I mean , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's a double curved one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um then the case material itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , uh rubber , wood , or titanium . And th for each of them you have uh cases where {disfmarker} for example titanium , you can't use it for {disfmarker} if you if we're choosing a double curved case , we can't choose titanium . And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material , so we just have to take that into account . But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything . And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that might be an idea of using the rubber ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but then it should , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's have a squeezable remote . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And also it doesn't break as easily maybe ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} when a T_V_ programme's got one {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "watching the match and {gap} your team's just lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So rubber would be {disfmarker} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think rubber's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Rubber , we're all we're all going {disfmarker} we're all liking that idea ? You think you can market that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , we like rubber , ooh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh s so if d",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "People . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay . And then there are the push-buttons , so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse , um or you could have um L_C_D_ , which gives you a display . Um scroll buttons , as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons . So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case . Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , we're gonna go with {gap} I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's a constraint . Yeah , but is it a double curved one or not ? {vocalsound} If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons , if it's a double curve , we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons . If that makes sense .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} push buttons instead of the wheel ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If it's rubber , isn't it malleable anyway , {gap} it doesn't matter if it's double {disfmarker} I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want it to ? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double {disfmarker} rubber double curved case ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} rubble double double . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that's one thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll have a Big Mac , please . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved . And that's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we don't care if it's rub rubber or not , but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material . So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved . And I'm just saying if it {disfmarker} if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go {disfmarker} I dunno why , but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons . So , either {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's have rubber push buttons , hey .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Go rubber . Go rubber the whole way .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Let's go crazy . {vocalsound} And then , do I have a last slide ? Yes , I do . Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be {disfmarker} so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and the price that go with it with it , so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest . Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range . If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Simple , yeah . Chip on print . It's a bit {gap} . {vocalsound} Okay , uh what I'm not understanding here",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} is uh , okay , advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The infra-red . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Um what a what alternatives do we have to that ? {vocalsound} Y um {vocalsound} what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , you get different chip components , and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red . It's less expensive mm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} so it sounds {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , why would we not go for that ? If it's something that's inside the the unit . {vocalsound} I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fo It doesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah . Totally . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we wanna go for an i i all {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So let's not go for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so long as it works ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . I agree .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know . So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . S yeah , push buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about the just developed uh sample sensor ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think push-buttons is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about what ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "G there , the sample sensor , sample speaker thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , I dunno . Be cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It'd be it'd be cool , but they are saying they've just developed it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Channel two . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm just guessing . But it's gonna be the most expensive option , probably and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Th the the {vocalsound} speech recognition um option is {disfmarker} it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause uh {disfmarker} The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine , where , basically , you can program a sample wi um {disfmarker} That when you say something it will give a response , and you program the response as well . Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself . So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say , good morning , to it it says , hello Rick , or whatever .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean , it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the T_V_ on like , turn the T_V_ on , and i turns {disfmarker} comes on , but it's not that . It just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it just gives an answer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , I mean , like what's the point of saying , Hello remote , I mean , hello , how how are you ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , then then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just if you are really lonely , maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thought I thought it was {disfmarker} when they said {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you're really lonely , it is it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I thought when they said , voice recognition , they meant um like ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Channel five . And then it switches on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "channel five , and it will change .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , tha that w that w that would be more promising .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like you talk to it . Can I have channel five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It it's just a remote that talks to you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} I mean to certain cues .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , then {gap} forget about it . Oh right okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so I'll go back , maybe , to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem , what we should choose . So for the energy source , do we go for the battery or the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Yeah , I'm fine with the basic battery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Basic battery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's cheap , it's cheerful , it's worked , does work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cheaper option . Are you happy with that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we'll go for the battery . Then the case , do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We were go we were going with the late with the the R_S_I_ rubber , weren't we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so we want it rub rubber double curved . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The the {gap} {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it will look like something like this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Double ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The double whopper , please .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so then if we use double curved case , then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , but {disfmarker} we're going for the simple buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So rubber rubber keys , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that's fine ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it's cheapest all round , it sounds kinda funky , and we can also market it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "P",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R_ {disfmarker} people were getting the {disfmarker} complaining about R_S_I_ , and this is anti-R_S_I_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's another marketing point that we can use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well the rubber push-buttons {gap} . Don't you have to move your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But anything is gonna have buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Even if it's a jog wheel , it's still repetitive . You {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You see , you can still get {disfmarker} it does you still get repetitive strain injury , whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That they don't . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same {disfmarker} doing the same movement .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not actually what you are doing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-R_S_I_ ps specific {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the rubber's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We're giving them a way to burn off steam , basically , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so they can sit there and go like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not that watching T_V_ should be that stressful .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you know , yeah , you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you're watching sports .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , that's me done .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , Gabriel . Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's {disfmarker} the interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Alright . Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic . And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division . It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them . Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine . So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea . It's it's pointless .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output . It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_ . Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh {disfmarker} they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like R_S_I_ I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um the other suggestion ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That does get annoying .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and I I have a feeling that we're interested in in something more general , but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche , like either gearing our remote towards kids , where you could have {gap} lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or {gap} ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons . But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {gap} um {disfmarker} So , the key layout and design are really crucial . You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um . And I didn't mention that we need a power button {gap} in our last {disfmarker} I can give you an example here of uh , {gap} good layout and bad layout",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh from our manufacturing department . So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's sort of confusing for the user . Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we have an uh example of a good one ? {gap} {vocalsound} Brilliant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And for {disfmarker} something for kids . Yeah . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so , yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of {disfmarker} we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um . Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense . I think it should be more general .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us . And , yeah , that's it for me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well let's um {disfmarker} so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um {disfmarker} The the um the interface type we're going for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're {disfmarker} we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons . Um . I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . And some sort of {disfmarker} it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and we're not {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well now that we've decided on our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Are we gonna hav hav {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} are we d",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "have we decided on whether w we're gonna s supplement it with anything , you know , colours or particular gimmicky bits to it , we're not we're just gonna go for something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but um {disfmarker} Yeah , I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere , like maybe the R_R_ can be yellow , or something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Okay . Okey-dokey . Yeah , I don't have any other questions on this . Let's move over to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I guess {vocalsound} the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I think that should be {disfmarker} I mean um , I can speak with the button department , but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the button that just does that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that should be simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well , I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and what the fashions are for next year . Um . So yes {vocalsound} , so from looking at this year's trends and fashions",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market , we have found that for the remote control market {vocalsound} these are like most important aspects like that we really need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which we've already probably discussed . Um {vocalsound} the most important aspect is look and feel . So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already {disfmarker} that we already have . So it has to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T_V_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um second , uh it should be technologically innovative innovative . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What's that mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess . It should work .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's new .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already , that's cheap .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Actually , I mean , these first two points we've already sort of gone away from ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause our rubber one is not fancy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's different , but I wouldn't say like a rubber remote is fancy . If that's what people want then we {disfmarker} maybe we're going in the wrong direction . And it's it's not technologically innovative either .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , {gap} no loose {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's why I was thinking , Bluetooth , 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth , and it's like a Bluetooth remote control , everybody's gonna like , oh , 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays , like it really is {vocalsound} , like people {disfmarker} and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for , they don't really care whether , you know , at the end of the day whether it works properly or not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Of course , they do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , they do , but it's like it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it looks good . If it looks good and it's {disfmarker} it can just be there for decoration . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well , what do you two think about this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what {disfmarker} I don't understand what m",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "electronics ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could always insert , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's basically what it allows you to do ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it {disfmarker} this is just gonna {gap} {disfmarker} all this is being used for is your television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but , I mean , people like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It would {disfmarker} that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you're looking at {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if you {gap} looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "does it ? That would mean we'd have to make a television as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bluetooth would , for example , enable you , I think , to um um connect {disfmarker} for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone , but your mobile phone is downstairs or something , you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now . Things like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , that would be your telephone {gap} in with your television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No i",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker} that wouldn't be the remote so much ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and i",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , but if you get Bluetooth on the remote , you'd be able to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nah , the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible , basically .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I with the television , yeah . {gap} I was just trying to find an advantage . Wha what w what advantage would you get for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "An and there is no there is no such thing",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like it doesn't have to be , you know , Bluetooth , that was just an idea , but like it needs do something that , you know , is new . Whether it's a battery {disfmarker} it could be something really really minor , you know , like {disfmarker} but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there , and people've already seen it , people've already got it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then . It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah , this {disfmarker} that's that's very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then you can market it . Never have to change a battery again . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Change the batteries ever again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And and this is all tying in very nicely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The fact that it's made out of this rubber , we can throw it about . Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about , because it charges itself up by doing it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , well , and in little characters you say , yeah , but not too much . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , so can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , by the squeezing it the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think , safety s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating {disfmarker} like the energy generator .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a great idea . Well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Third most important aspect {vocalsound} uh is it's easy to use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} we're all about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I think we've all um worked that out . Um okay , in the fashion , how it's supposed to look . Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths , shoes and furniture . {vocalsound} So next year people will be buying {vocalsound} , I found this really funny {vocalsound} , you know , strawberry shaped chairs ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I wanna watch the pineapple channel . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rubber things . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy , so it's it's not quite spongy , but spongy , I would say is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well spongy , that's where {gap} . Yeah , we're we're ahead of the game there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's great for us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , so we're in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . And so personal {gap} what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel , while still keeping to the company's image , basically . So yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . I had to say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we're moving in the right direction like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , yeah , no , this i this is good ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so through all that we've {disfmarker} we go we're {disfmarker} right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's great , using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R_S_I_ you can {disfmarker} as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself , you are charging the batteries {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No vegetables .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't know how we incorporate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We don't have to follow every trend , I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe make it like fruity colours or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Some sort . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The power button could be like a big apple or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , but Apple would sue you for that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this is true {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They don they don't own {vocalsound} all images of apples . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} sued the Beatles so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image . Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or like are we going {disfmarker} yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think , if it's rubber it needs to be",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean you said earlier on i {vocalsound} it should be funky .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "different . I think , it's {disfmarker} it should be {disfmarker} I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} L keep it clean , keep it clean . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "really different colours basically .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sor I sorry , I used the wrong word , what do you associate with the mate the material {vocalsound} that material ? {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um like I'm just thinking bright colours .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bright natural colours , nothing too {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bright , but not too bright . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bright , but too {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink . Wanna make it different colours so {vocalsound} anybody can choo like like {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like the volume buttons should be the {disfmarker} all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that , do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And on the back of it have the logo .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , what {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Why not ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Tha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The one thing I'm wondering about , I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean we {disfmarker} that's we we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes , and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This is the remote control tomato . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean {vocalsound} what are ninety per cent of people gonna take ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I can say in this country , you'll get , you know , lots of people wanting something really funky and cool . Like {disfmarker} and kids will be walking in with their parents saying , Mummy I wanna buy that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well , because it's um like kids won't break it , it's not breakable if you throw it around .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Especially with younger kids , you know they can pick it up and and {disfmarker} Yeah . The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's it's gotta be chew proof . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I'm gonna write that down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so it's rea it's quite",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's quite like um user friendly",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and also for different families , like like family use as well , so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it , I think . Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like {gap} pink remote control for their room something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , what are you saying , maybe we should market it in different colours for different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So like you walk in , you're like , oh I like that remote control , because it's so bright , and then , and then the shop assistant comes up and says , oh what colour would you like ? and then they go like , oh I can choose the colour {vocalsound} wow . So it puts , I think , even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of , you've got all colour it's either that or nothing . So they also get to pick . Well , personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I mean , that that seems to work well with for products like iPod ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Although I'd be curious to see how many uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "D you've got the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And produce less of the silly colours , maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright . Well um , we'll {disfmarker} alright let's {disfmarker} what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um {vocalsound} is from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um Gabriel , you're gonna be working on , you know {disfmarker} come up with the the user interface design . Then basically , you two are gonna be working together on this . You won't be going off to your separate offices .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think , yeah , it's gonna {vocalsound} you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "come up ki you know , be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas . 'Cause at the moment , uh you know , it's it's hard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We were kinda going , yeah , it's gotta feel nice , it's gotta look cool and that it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know now we can actually start , you know , s some sort of physical something or other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Evaluation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} And I {vocalsound} will be uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "talking to the bosses , basically , and uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "f fielding off some more spam and uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's it really . Keeping things t well , uh you know , ho hopefully uh keeping things together . Um . Yeah , that's {disfmarker} This is this is uh good . So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on . We definitely know how it's powered ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons , we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things , so we've we're keeping the costs down . It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky . Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People , you know , people are saying , oh , standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury , well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it . Um . {gap} you know , we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it , you know what what extra things {disfmarker} are there extra things this product have ? We'll look into this lock key",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "facility , although whether or not it happens , {vocalsound} or is possible , I don't know , but something to look into . Okay . I think that's um {disfmarker} well done everybody . Anyone have any uh any questions ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "everyone know what they're doing ? 'Cause if you don't , you'll {disfmarker} I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , I think we all know what we need to do now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S This gives you all the details ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . right well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish . But um I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so bef before you all disappear off just",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I'll stay in here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound} um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "hold hold fire . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So we really have a incentive to make this remote work .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits , because that's really doing well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I want a share in the space rocket . Did you {gap} see that this k that this company {gap} we've made a spaceship .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we're definitely not in the money making department .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I I did notice looking at {disfmarker} I mean , they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R_R_ brand and and to be immediately noticeable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page , it's not obvious .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "R_R_ . Well it is to us , because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine , but it's {disfmarker} doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the spaceship doesn't have the R_ {vocalsound} {gap} have a massive R_ and R_ down the side of it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} I still want one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um I've just had a sign flashing up saying , finish the meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , well , I guess that's us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's not telling {disfmarker} it's not saying do anything in particular just yet . So maybe you should go back to your own offices .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are we taking these off ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , it says you two {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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],
"topic": "Cost of remote"
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"263"
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],
"topic": "Evaluation of remote"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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],
"topic": "Team building and wrap up"
}
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{
"answer": "The meeting began with a presentation on the prototype by Industrial Designer and User Interface and a double curved rubber prototype with anti-RSI buttons was displayed. Next, they discussed the cost of the remote which only cost ten seventy euros a unit and well under the budget of twelve fifty. Then, the team evaluated the remote according to seven criteria and it passed with flying colours as three criteria scored a one and others no more than three. Finally, the meeting ended with team building and a wrap-up, which Project Marketing concluded that the novel remote fit all criteria and the team did a great job.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "The double curved prototype with anti-RSI buttons was ergonomic and comfortable to the size of the hand and to touch as it was made of rubber. The prototype was also easy and convenient to use as the important keys were right at the fingers. On the other hand, it brought fashion to electronics as the remote was offered in colours of black, yellow, blue and red, which contained fruit and vegetable elements. It was innovative and looked different so it would stand out from other remotes in the market.",
"query": "What was the appearance of the prototype as shared in the presentation?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"21",
"28"
],
[
"42",
"50"
],
[
"80",
"89"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The button to the thumb was the power button, the index and middle finger were channels up and down, whereas the ring finger and pinkie were volumes up and down. The blue button with the inscription of \"L\" was to lock, whereas the one with \"M\" was to mute. Moreover, a numeric keypad was on the top so users could directly key to a channel.",
"query": "What buttons were on the prototype as shared in the presentation?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"29",
"41"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer recalled that some acquaintances have left- and right-handed people in the family but they all use the right-handed mouse for the computer. Marketing added that the remote only required pressing buttons and it would not be too hard. However, in the end, they agreed to have both in stock to make them more appealing.",
"query": "What did the team think of Project Manager's suggestion of making a right- and left-handed remote during the presentation of the prototype?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"55",
"78"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Play-Doh would be used as it was very cheap, edible and chew-proof. The energy source would be kinetic power and electronics would be the simplest. For the case, it would be double curved and made of rubber. The interface was push buttons and they would be in special colours and forms. Considering the cost of the above materials, the remote would be within budget as it cost ten seventy euros a unit.",
"query": "Would the remote come under budget as the cost of it was discussed?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"103",
"147"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "On a scale of one to seven, with one being true and seven being untrue, the remote scored a one for the look and feel unanimous. For new technology and being easy to use, it was given a mark of three and two respectively as kinetic energy was the only technological innovation and the remote was better geared for right-handed people. Next, the cost was given as it was under budget. Then, one was given for RSI and the amount of buttons as there were only necessary buttons. Finally, it scored a two for getting lost easily.",
"query": "Summarize the evaluation of the remote.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"166",
"263"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The remote fits all criteria and it was something novel. Also, it was marketable in the sense that other remotes would give users repetitive strain injury but this remote would do the complete opposite. Project Manager concluded that everyone had done a great job, both individually and as a team. Though there was some heated discussion during designing the remote, the communication was still great. For the technology that had been used during meetings, Marketing thought it was quite cool.",
"query": "Summarize the wrap up of the meeting.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"271",
"366"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "It's Play-Doh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It's definitely {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because kids {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I used to eat it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've , I've definitely eaten it before . I didn't know was edible . {vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's it's chew proof . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But um , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah . It's made edible 'cause kids eat it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if it's wasn't edible then {disfmarker} Well , normal babies . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actually that makes sense , because I remember like , peopl I dunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the {gap} colouring and make some sort of sort of dough .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah it is , yeah . Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Everybody everybody ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's have your um {disfmarker} let's get {gap} have the uh presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We've got some {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We've got a cool prototype .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's pretty exciting . So , everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber , very simple and easy to use ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Double curved .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , double curved ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um but also something that was gonna jump out at people , something that would be different uh , separate it from the other remotes out on the market . So uh I think if you put this in the palm of your hand , you'll see what a nice thing we have going here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That is cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , basically , if you hold it like that , the one on your thumb , yeah , {vocalsound} the thumb button is the power button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Your index finger is channel up , middle finger is channel down , ring finger is volume up , your pinkie is volume down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's the big blue thing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's the lock button , has a L_ L_ on it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then the M_ is a mute button . And then it also has digit",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} what button ? Um . Oh mute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For muting the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And mute .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and then then you can also {disfmarker} there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available , but we think it's very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That certainly does .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So all the , I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh at a convenient place for you to to access them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Which is ant anti-R_S_I_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you don't you {disfmarker} Yeah . It should be .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's also conformable to the size of your hand . I mean if that's too big , it's a rubber remote , so you can , you know",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'S great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "change that . So d does that uh what {disfmarker} mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's so cute .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I have one thing about it , but it's a small thing , but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , that's good thinking , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But , that's I don't see why that's not possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed and right-handed uh remotes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} They make left-handed scissors , you know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I didn't I didn't think about that , but I'd {disfmarker} yeah , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but then but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking if there's left-handers and right-handers in the family , what , they have two remotes ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handed people in the family and they all use the computer {vocalsound} for the whole {disfmarker} the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse , and everybody is using right-handed mouse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Sure . Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'm sure they'll be able to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's only pressing buttons , you don't have to do anything , you know , extraordinary . I think everybody can press a button with their left and right hand so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Imagine d are you right handed ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Imagine you're doing it with your left hand , I don't think it's too {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we can have both uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Have them in stock .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Make 'em more appealing as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But um other than that , I mean uh and that's um , you know , that's just something , I think I think it's great , yeah , great idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you think it says {vocalsound} R_R_ ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I think it does . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's , well , if the R_R_ motto is , we bring fashion to to electronics , I'd say that could be quite fashionable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fashion to electronics . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plus red , which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that's that's {vocalsound} our end of things wha uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , very good , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's come up with what we've you know , the things that's what we've {disfmarker} what we were looking at doing , hasn't it , {gap} all seems to be there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And all the playing around is uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um before we move on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'm just {disfmarker} do you wanna plug in ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I need that cable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . Yeah . Um . One thing I do need to do {disfmarker} we need to look at , is the costs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The costs , was that what you said ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Play-Doh is very cheap . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like , oops , it's gone . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it's edible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Chew proof .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , they'll buy more of them if you eat them , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That was the main criteria from the last meeting , it had to be chew proof .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh right . {vocalsound} Okay , now I think we'll do this {disfmarker} I could do {disfmarker} you know , I can do this o on my own or I could do it with you ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh ho-ho .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but it's just easy enough to go through it with you , so we're going for the kinetic power .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And the electronics , we decided on it being just a simple , the easiest thing that's inside it . Ooh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} the case , we've gone for the double curved . Um and it's made out of rubber . {vocalsound} The interface is push-buttons . And button supplements well they're in diff special colours , aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} special colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's better for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Special form , yeah , they're a special form there in shapes and stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , {vocalsound} these these ones on the side are curved kind of , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And special material .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah . Um . Are they made out of any special material ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No they're not . They're not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything , they're just simple {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The buttons are rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well they're rubber , aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So let's see if that comes within budget . And it does . That is gonna cost uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're under budget .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make . And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's cool . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we're actua actually making a better profit than we expected .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "this is all very very good . The bosses will be very pleased .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you . Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Save it in {gap} save it in the uh {vocalsound} my documents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's already saved , I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Splendid . Okay . So uh , that's {gap} done with this with this um doodah , so you're {gap} . Gonna do {disfmarker} what you were gonna do ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "your evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . This is where we all get to {vocalsound} I get to write on the , oops , on the board . Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . 'S function {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I love the smell of that Play-Doh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I cou {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "have some have some .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , {vocalsound} evaluation . We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria . I've got the criterias . And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven , one being true , so it's it's more like it's {disfmarker} fits the criteria , and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria . And the criterias are , and I'll draw this up on the board {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so we have a box {disfmarker} {gap} . And this is false , this is just like to keep you informed . So seven's here and one's here and then you've got in the middle . {vocalsound} So the first criteria . Do you all get what we're doing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool . Okay , first criteria , look and feel . So the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about ? As it {disfmarker} is it colour-wise and is it spongy ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So what mark should we give for that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would give it a seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "As in it's not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , one , d yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry , one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A one a one . So I'll just write criteria criteria one we get one . Second criteria , new technology . Have we implemented new technology ? As in the new high-tech {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , the kinetic thing , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple , but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's {gap} . So we'll give it a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well so the um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's ergonomic ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but that's not {disfmarker} that's that's a design that's a des that's a design thing , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but that's not a technological thing , that's another thing , i that's another marketing thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . True .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So on the technical side of it it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'd say it's about a a twoish ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's about in the mid in the middle somewhere ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe , yeah , I dunno .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe three , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} three . So criteria three is is it easy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Easy to use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's a one , I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say it's I wouldn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "not if you're left-handed it's not . I would give it a I would give it a two ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right-handed people than left-handed people , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if we make a right-handed and a left-handed then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we're gonna have one left-handed and one right-handed then I would give it a one , but otherwise otherwise a two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Give it a t give it a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay . {vocalsound} 'Kay , criteria four is costs . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cost . It's come in under budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 's great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's a definite one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That was great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Amount of buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like the amount of buttons ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Contains only the necessary buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause people like a lot le like {disfmarker} So it's a one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um criteria six . R_S_I_ is it good against ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes s yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Very good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's anti-R_S_I_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's one . And criteria seven , which is the last one , does it get lost ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's yellow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it easy to get lost ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it's gonna get lost easily .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It is very bright , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ? But it is smallish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not the kinda thing that's gonna slip like between a couch cushion or something , you know . Maybe it will . Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "T",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think i it would , could be , could get lost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You think it could lost {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's not fully it's not fully {disfmarker} like you can't say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it's not a one , definitely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you could still flush it down the toilet theoretically , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah , anything , I mean . Okay . It's bigger than the average mobile , I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But , yeah , it can get lost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The mobiles get lost all the time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , yeah , two is fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then you ring 'em and you find them . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , that's that . So that's the evaluation , so I'd say {disfmarker} Yay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright it's all all systems go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We've , we've done well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's like {vocalsound} {gap} like a number one . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Number one product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We can't fail .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All done , thanks . We fitted all the criterias . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well done , Reissa .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I I think um I just wanna put in as Project Manager the you know , little bit of praise for everybody here for how they've worked on it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , both individually and as a team . You know you've w everyone's come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments , um and then come together and worked in , you know , integrally , you know , at the right times , psp , you know , especially you two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's all , you know , gone very very well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and and and be you know , has been good communication going on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , during our design I mean there was some s some heated heated discussion ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but we we kept {disfmarker} we tried to keep it cool and and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Fantastic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now you guys have been a a great team . Think we're the we're the envy of all the of all the other R_R_ teams , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} been cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I , you know , and I think we've co we have come we've come up with something new , something that hasn't been done before , we haven't {disfmarker} we're not just rehashing an old design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In four diff in in four meetings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Funny , all designer meetings could be this quick .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know , maybe this isn't a simulation , maybe this is actually {disfmarker} so it's like Sony or someone like that they're they're just , yeah , {gap} they get {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think they're actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They're using our ideas .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , {gap} two years' time this will be on the market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ex exactly that product",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um thum {disfmarker} we'll go , yeah , we designed that and no-one will believe us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So at this stage , I mean , is this the last meeting of the project ? We don't uh have another one after it's gone gone to marke market or something ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think when this meeting's finished like officially , there b we'll get a uh questionnaire to fill in .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Y Oh really ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Or six , uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just start summarising now . {vocalsound} You can reply to the same message .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I haven't got message .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See summary , there . If you just reply to that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So there's no way to like predict what our {disfmarker} 'Cause we had a {disfmarker} we originally had a {vocalsound} {disfmarker} As far as our financial uh um goals , we had a specific number for profits that we wanted . It was fifty mil fifty million {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Was it was it fifty or five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't remember . But there's not a way to compute that , I mean , since we saved on the on the production cost , do we know how much we're making on profit ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It gets handed over to another department .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Depends how much we sell .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What our what our project was was to come up with the product , basically .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} the for the {disfmarker} and just basically is it it come {disfmarker} can {disfmarker} is it within budget . When it c when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and , you know , the b the profits and all that that's other departments {disfmarker} it's another team that actually work out the mai the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we have a vested interest {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "oh yeah , the {disfmarker} all the guys in the profit sharing , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "prof profit sharing {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um . Yeah , that's it . You know , we've we've we've made i we've made",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We finished an hour earlier . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we've designed the product , we've ma we've got the prototype , it's within budget , it's {disfmarker} does everything that we wanted it to do . It's new , it's it's um something that uh {vocalsound} that isn't out there already .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think actually {disfmarker} and one advantage of of this is that after the uh , you know , after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be c a cool remote , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We're not we're not you know , tying tying our cart to that one horse {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is very marketable in that it is it's it's something that's kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Definitely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's {disfmarker} that it's um , hang on , I wrote it down here somewhere {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no I thi I put it in one of my e-mails that I sent off . Um that , you know , it's marketable in the sense that it's {disfmarker} whilst all these other remotes uh actually do give you repetitive strain injury , our one does the complete opposite , you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that's something that's new , which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . It make watching T_V_ healthy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and if you're not having a good time with the T_V_ , you can f throw it about , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's fine , it's kid proof .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just don't sh don't throw it at any of the ornaments and break them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , you can break the ornaments , but you won't break that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . So all in all , I think we've done very well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well done everybody .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , you too .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . Drinks are on the company .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In the corporate bar that's next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we're that've all just gained access to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Glad to hear that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . That's it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , as far as I t as far as I know . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . We haven't got the five minute left thing yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Anyone wanna play I spy ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I guess it's probably better that we wrap it up than have five minutes of silence . Should we call the day then ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess . I mean we're gonna get asked to fill out another questionnaire .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . It's probably gonna be the same as one we've done before .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But I'm not the authority to say that it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In {gap} project .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um how does everyone feel about the technology that's been used in this ? The sort of using of the the pens and writing on these special pads and all that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I love it . {vocalsound} I love it . {vocalsound} I think it's cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Being all wired up and a vibrating pen and {disfmarker} it's cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Being watched . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Your moment to shine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I thi you know , I'd I'd n yeah , as we said earlier , I've not {disfmarker} never seen that before . {gap} something that t the whiteboard",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "thingy , {vocalsound} that's great . Um , but a p a pen with a camera on it , I don't think it's such a new thing . I mean it's i or in such a new idea . It would be different if it was sort of hand writing recognition stuff , but as it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's literally that'll come up on a computer screen as a picture file rather than actual text .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , I think they do want to do hand writing recognition on that , it's just the first step .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Logitech .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess we should end this , since we're off off topic . So . Shall we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Meeting adjourned .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2008a
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"4",
"69"
]
],
"topic": "Project introduction and team ice breaking"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"70",
"117"
]
],
"topic": "Use cases and remote control style"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"118",
"141"
]
],
"topic": "Defining the object of the remote control"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Project Manager briefed members on a new remote control project. By drawing favourite animals, the team got to know each other. Two complementary remote controls could be designed for a certain object, one having main functions and another with all the special things. And this device was just aimed for television, without video recorder functions on it.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Marketing was tired of too many buttons with different functions separately, but yet he doubted whether combining all different remotes together was necessary because he felt it ended up with multimedia overload. User Interface thought remote controls were pretty nice but could be a bit annoying because users didn't have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel. However, three separate remote controls with too many buttons for TV could be confusing and complicated. Industrial Designer agreed with having too many remotes around.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about use cases.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"69",
"79"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer proposed that it's important to use the remote control with ease. Buttons, in the proper size, shouldn't be too many to confuse. He thought users were supposed to know what they were doing. And he was particularly interested in not moving the control around to get it to work with the infra-red. Industrial Designer also proposed that the remote control to be designed should work for what it's doing.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer propose in the discussion about remote control style?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"78",
"84"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Have one remote that has the main functions such as turning on, turning off, channel changing, volume; and another remote with all the special things.",
"query": "Summarize the decision of the discussion about the conflict over combining all the remotes content together versus having five different remotes.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"94",
"110"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing thought they should design a remote control for television only due to the issue of advancement. User Interface supposed that it would be nice to have playing and recording and stop buttons on remote controls for the video recorder as well, but he didn't know if that worked technologically. Industrial Designer agreed to define the object of remote control, and he proposed that it would be simpler if it's just for television because there were fewer buttons, which would benefit older people or people that weren't very co-ordinated hand-eye.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about the object of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"118",
"141"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "It would be simpler if it's just for television because there were fewer buttons, which would benefit older people or people that weren't very co-ordinated hand-eye.",
"query": "What's the advantage of designing a remote control for television only?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"118",
"141"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface supposed that it would be nice to have playing and recording and stop buttons on remote controls for the video recorder as well, but he didn't know if that worked technologically.",
"query": "Summarize User Interface's opinions towards the object of remote control.",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"118",
"141"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Good morning everybody . Um I'm glad you could all come . I'm really excited to start this team . Um I'm just gonna have a little PowerPoint presentation for us , for our kick-off meeting . My name is Rose Lindgren . I I'll be the Project Manager . Um our agenda today is we are gonna do a little opening and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about the project , then we'll move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit , including a tool training exercise . And then we'll move into the project plan , do a little discussion and close , since we only have twenty five minutes . First of all our project aim . Um we are creating a new remote control which we have three goals about , it needs to be original , trendy and user-friendly . I'm hoping that we can all work together to achieve all three of those . Um so we're gonna divide us up into three {vocalsound} compa three parts . First the functional design which will be uh first we'll do individual work , come into a meeting , the conceptional design , individual work and a meeting , and then the detailed design , individual work and a meeting . So that we'll each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and um collaborating . Okay , we're gonna get to know each other a little bit . So um , what we're gonna do is start off with um let's start off with Amina . Um Alima ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alima .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "sorry , Alima .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we're gonna do a little tool training , so we are gonna work with that whiteboard behind you . Um introduce yourself , um say one thing about yourself and then draw your favourite animal and tell us about it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um I don't know which one of these I have to bring with me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Probably both .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , so , I'm supposed to draw my favourite animal . I have no drawing skills whatsoever . But uh let's see , introduce myself . My name is Alima Bucciantini . Um I'm from the state of Maine in the US . I'm doing nationalism studies , blah , blah , blah , and I have no artistic talents .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How do you spell your name ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A_ L_ I_ M_ A_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and I guess I'm the Industrial Designer on this project . So let's see if I can get",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um here . I will draw a little turtle for you all . Not necessarily 'cause it's my absolute favourite animal , but just that I think they're drawable . And you have the pretty little shell going on . Some little eyes . Happy . There you go . That's a turtle .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what are your favourite characteristics ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . I I like the whole having a shell thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's quite cool carry your home around where you go , um quite decorative little animals , they can swim , they can , they're very adaptable , they carry everything they need with them , um and they're easy to draw .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Shall we just go around the table ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh Okay . Well , my name is Iain uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I'm the User Interface Designer for the project . Um . And I'll try and draw my favourite animal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll {disfmarker} I should leave that one on there",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you can erase the turtle ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "shouldn't I {vocalsound} before I callously rub it off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Might be nice to have them all up there at same time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um I'm not gonna draw it quite to scale um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Is that at least identifiable ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Snake .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Em",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a whale {vocalsound} , yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "snake ? {vocalsound} It's w {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thanks .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh my god , it's better than what I'm gonna be able to do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um and , yeah , the reason I like whales is 'cause uh they're {disfmarker} well , first of all they're quite intelligent um and also they're they're kind of mysterious , like we don't really know much about them or or understand how they work , how they form groups . And I just find them interesting animals .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Take my contraptions with me . Alright , I'm Jessy . I'm from around D_C_ ish sort of in the U_S_ . And we're gonna keep the deep sea sort of theme going on , {gap} animal . Don't really know how to draw this . Just where can I {disfmarker} Mm . Mm . Maybe if I do the water ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but how ? Sort of give an idea . {vocalsound} I have no idea how one would explain this . Mm maybe with some whiskers . Briefly , it's supposed to be a seal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can imagine it in the water . I like them , because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time . Not gonna try and pretend like I can get any better than that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Mm 'kay ? I'm Rose and I'm Project Manager , {vocalsound} from California . Um . Hmm . {vocalsound} S {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's definitely significantly harder once you are doing it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a cat .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um it's actually a coyote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's see . Let's see ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's impressive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "let's give it a little bit of a snout , I don't know , some teeth .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's pretty impressive .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh dear . {vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I live um I live right across the street from an open space in California . We have coyotes howl all the time . So I really enjoy their their singing , you they're really beautiful animals . Mm . {vocalsound} Okay um , moving on to slightly more serious stuff . We're gonna talk about project finances . Um we have a couple {vocalsound} we'd like to sell it for about twenty five Euro with the profit aim of um fifteen million Euro um from our sales and because this is such {disfmarker} this is for television it's a {disfmarker} we have a market range of Internet , like it's an international market range , we don't have to worry about specifics . Um in order to make a profit of this magnitude , we need to um be able to produce each one at a maximum of twelve fifty Euro . So we're selling it for twice what we'd like to produce it for . Okay um , just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project um , I could {disfmarker} I'd like to hear about your experiences using ro remote controls , um your first ideas about um creating a new r remote control , what would be the best um like you {disfmarker} what are the features that you really like what are the features that you don't like , etcetera , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I hate when there's like four different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the T_V_ like you have to do one for the power of the T_V_ and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going , I don't know . Now they keep combining all different remotes together , and I don't know if I necessarily like that 'cause I feel like you end up with multimedia overload .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I just wanna watch the T_V_ {vocalsound} um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Always gets lost . Some sort of like device to help you find it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I've used , I've used remote controls , for things like T_V_ and the C_D_ player and video recorder and I I guess they're they're pretty neat neat little tools uh . You don't have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So especially if you're someone really lazy like me they they're pretty nice . Um . I find them {disfmarker} they can be a bit annoying , especially , like you know if I'm watching T_V_ I have have to have three separate remote controls of {disfmarker} in front of me , you know , one for the T_V_ , one for the digital box , one for m the video recorder as well . Um . And also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing , they've got too many buttons on them uh too too sort of too sort of complicated when all I really wanna do is switch on and off , change the channel , change the volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um . I agree with having too many remotes around . My dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things , and I don't know how to work half of them um . What's important for me , I guess , is that it's easy to use and that there's not too many buttons , they are not too small , you know you know you need to n to know what you're doing . And one thing I particularly like is if you are not um sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infra-red .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think there is a way around that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I know in my residence right now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so i it's just simpler just to just turn around the T_V_ itself , and I think that's {disfmarker} if we're gonna make a remote control , it should actually work for what it's doing . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What about like batteries and things like that , like are there some remotes that don don't require like batteries or do all remotes require batteries ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um I would imagine all of them ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but we could {disfmarker} but it's possible we could use like a lithium battery um that would last a lot longer than like double A_s .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , something that doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of um M_P_ three players now and that kind of thing . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . Okay , it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over um to uh combining all the remotes cont together versus having f five different remotes . So um like you said you don't like having all the buttons on one on one remote , and yet you don't wanna have five remotes . So how do we work with that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Could we get something that just has {disfmarker} No doesn't have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things that I'm not very coherent about , but that just has your major buttons for {disfmarker} that work for everything , you know volume control , on , off ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "channel changing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And maybe that spatially divides it , so it's like if you're looki if you're trying to get the T_V_ on that's , you know , like the top thing on the remote , I dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we're gonna make it , but if it's like all the T_V_ stuff was here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "then all the V_C_R_ stuff was here , all the {disfmarker} whatever else we have programmed into it it's all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "N that way {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause then you like , I don't even know what I'm turning on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , and if um if you'd save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you wouldn't need to use every day .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on , off , channel changing , volume , and another rote remote with all the special things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because that is one thing that um remotes tend to have buttons that the T_V_s no longer have as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So like you have to have them somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause you're gonna m need those special functions occasionally . Um but not necessarily on the m the normal remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Can I ask , are we designing a remote control for a television only",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good question .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um , and if if this device is just to be used for the television would we even technically be possible to include video recorder functions on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know that yet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um or should we just stick to just stick to having television television related buttons on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a good question . Um . {vocalsound} I'll look into that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If I can .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's just T_V_ , I mean , if it {disfmarker} if we're taking it just {gap} new product a new television remote control that's not like {vocalsound} doesn't say .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know , things might be more advanced than that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So we should {disfmarker} maybe we should assume that i t it's just a television that we're wanting to control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean I suppose it would be nice to have {vocalsound} playing and record and stop buttons on it for the video recorder as well I I don't know if that works technologically or not .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I guess we have to define what what we're aiming for . If it's just a television then that {disfmarker} it's a bit simpler , 'cause there's less buttons that would even need to be on it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's an idea with the buttons being really {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Large . If you have older people or people like me that aren't very co-ordinated hand-eye , it's really quite important that you are not pressing a small like teeny mobiles phone size buttons , if we can help it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Kay sounds like we've had a good little discussion for our first ideas . Mind if we move on ? Ps",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "mm okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um now our next meeting starts in thirty minutes . I believe we've actually been only working on this this one for about twenty , so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you'd like um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but this is just a breakdown of what we'll be doing individually . Um the industrial design , Alima will be doing um the working design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um the User Interface Designer , that's for {gap} . Technical functions , I guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing , the size of the buttons . Um user requirements um , so you'll be hearing about different trends , uh about different things that people need , um I guess kind of the same uh discussion that we've been having , we'll get from the actual consum s consumers .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay um . And you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach . I realised in this past one we we didn't have much , we just wanted to get a little brain-storming done . Um so very exited to see all your animals and how {disfmarker} what wonderful um artists we all are {vocalsound} um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Any questions ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What we're gonna be discussing at the next meeting ? Do we know that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I haven't gotten an agenda yet , um I'll put that together . I'm sure as we'll each get our own instruction",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then um because what we gonna do is first our individual actions and then we'll come back together . So I'm sure we'll all have more concrete things to contribute next time",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure we'll be busy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay um I'll type up mi minutes and probably email those out to all of you . Um just including all the things that we talked about . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Can you e-mail your slides as well ? Is that possible ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I yes , I think I can . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll just attach it to an email . And you're you're number two ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "three , four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that correct ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . It was lovely meeting you all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just make sure you keep checking the company web site and the emails . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let me see if I can do that right now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2008b
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"258"
]
],
"topic": "Presentations on working design, technical functions and functional requirements"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"259",
"472"
]
],
"topic": "Discussion about general specification"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This was the second meeting with functional design discussion purpose. Firstly, the group gave three individual presentations on working design, technical functions and functional requirements. They mentioned the importance of the fancy appeal, the practicality and the quality of components. Then, the group had a discussion about general requirements on the remote control. The group decided to market the remote as a separate product and focused on the user-friendly as well as simplicity, instead of too much technological advancement. Also, they agreed to target on income group and would add extra functionalities like keep lost and rechargeable stations for the remote control.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The first presentation was about users' functional requirements. Marketing mentioned that 80% of people like fancy appeal remote and younger people prefer voice recognition. The second presentation was about technical functions. User Interface suggested that as a communication tool, the remote should be practical and ergonomically designed. The third presentation was about working design. Industrial Designer introduced four main components, like a battery to make it work, the chip to convert the data, the user that's controlling the chip, and the infra-red bulb that moves the data to the receiver.",
"query": "Summarize presentations on working design, technical functions and functional requirements.",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"0",
"258"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing was asking what RSI was when mentioning the user needs to be easy to use. User Interface answered that it was repetitive strain injury. So Marketing denied this function because it did not match people's operating behaviour and users wanted a remote control with fewer buttons which would be easy to learn. Just like the audio setting was not given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often.",
"query": "What did Marketing think of repetitive strain injury when discussing functional requirements?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"42",
"54"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "When Industrial Designer demonstrated two different remote controls, Project Manager thought neither of them was pretty. Mentioning about the cool look about the functional design, Industrial Designer suggested taking consideration of the cool appeal into the selling point of fashion remote because there was a market for cool looking technology and ergonomic design.",
"query": "Why did Industrial Designer think of it could be their selling point when discussing technical functions design?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"77",
"93"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The group agreed to target 15 to 25 year olds. They decided to make the remote look simple, but have the key buttons to make it easy to use. Also, groupmates agreed to use one menu button and they would include voice recognition as one option.",
"query": "Summarize the group discussion about the general specification.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"259",
"472"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager mentioned that they should emphasize on making the infra-red more functional. Industrial Designer thought the chip took the data and presented it without sort of scattering and the quality of all the components really mattered. Then Project Manager mentioned the target group and voice recognition was not necessary. Group mates agreed on it and mentioned that it was high-tech and expensive.",
"query": "What did the group think of the infra-red functionality when discussing general requirements?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"298",
"336"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer suggested a rechargeable station like a cradle for the iPod when discussing the battery for essential functions because it might contribute to fewer people losing it too if it stayed in one place. Project Manager agreed and suggested thinking about the space in the living room as well when designing this feature.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think of the battery when discussing general requirements?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"404",
"431"
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{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good to see you all again . Let's see if that comes up . This is our functional design meeting . Um . Just a sec while my PowerPoint comes up . Et voila . Okay . Mm um we put the fashion in electronics . Let's start . Okay , our agenda today um {disfmarker} just check the time , it's twelve thirteen . Um . I'm gonna do an opening , talk about um {disfmarker} did you all get the minutes ? I e-mailed them to you . I'm also putting 'em {disfmarker} them in the shared folder .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So um then I {disfmarker} we'll talk about our general objectives",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and have your three presentations . Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions . Finally we'll just close . We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes . So {disfmarker} First of all the functional design objectives . Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , the {gap} functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function . Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sure , please do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . How do I hook my screen up ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think , you might have to disconnect Rose .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes I do . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Where does it go ? Mm-hmm . Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah that's it , yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then you have to press function F_ eight",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Function , F_ eight , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it is on your laptop .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The blue one , F_N_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where's function ? No signal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , wait , 's screw in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I think you just have to push it in really hard .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Push the screw .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , got it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm alright",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's taking it a little bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I've never attached to anything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , neither have I .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is . But , I don't even know how to play this . No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Press the little presentation . It's the um {disfmarker} it looks like a Y_ kind of {disfmarker} over there above Draw . There , that one , there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked . Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research . They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had . What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs . Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly {vocalsound} , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they {disfmarker} more importantly though , eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote . I don't know anything beyond what fancy means ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but that's particularly of use to us , I think . Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um people also had certain frustrations , that I think that we could try to take into consideration with our design . That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes . I think , over fifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration . People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and I think that ties back to what you were saying before",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "just that there's too many buttons , it just needs to be easy to use . It also mentioned something called R_S_I_ and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R_S_I_ is ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What ? Ah . There we go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wow . People do not like that . So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing , people do not like that , um the repetitive use , I guess , caused a strain . Um looking at the needs people specified , the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour . People are only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote . And what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume . People also zap like to change the channel , about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use . So we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings , the screen settings and the channel settings , because they're used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what's going on . So I think that some things that we might wanna think about , the idea of an L_C_D_ screen was brought up although they didn't have any details on what people's preferences on that were , so I dunno know if that's coming to me later , or something like that . But something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use , make sure that , you know , something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often . And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like , that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly {vocalsound} and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it , so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you very much . That was that was great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} 's move on to the next presentation um on effects . Was that you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , have I unscrewed it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Push . User interface , right . Interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Here we go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cheers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . And I think that's in the shared , if I did it right , if anyone wants to look at it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay , thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Here we go . Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um . We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is . It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device . We we tell the remote control what we want to do , it sends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness . Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control ? First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications . We need to know what our final product is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product . Um . Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em . Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience . Um ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and different different people sort of prefer different things . Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment . When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places . So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people . But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out . Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities . Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is . The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price . So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I had a look on the {disfmarker} on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls . In analysing these we can consider what what things {disfmarker} what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls . Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame . Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can {disfmarker} you can do whatever you want with your T_V_ . The one on the right is a lot more basic . It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume . It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts . There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture . Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control . So we've got to to find our {disfmarker} find a way of striking a balance between the two . Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things . Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel . It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television . I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Thank you very much . That was very useful . {vocalsound} It's funny to see the {vocalsound} drastic difference between those two remotes . {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And neither of them were very pretty , you know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that could be our selling point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A fashion fashion remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think there's there's certainly a market for technology that looks cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I think that's that's why companies like Apple've 've 've made a lot of progress .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , I really can't see what I'm doing , so does anyone have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} there it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha , look at that , showing up already .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lovely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So wait , did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh that was just on the d on the company web site , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Cause I was like googling",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then I'm like wait {vocalsound} it won't let me google . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright um {disfmarker} No , how do I play again ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um the {disfmarker} it's right above Draw . There are three thingy if {disfmarker} it's way at the bottom . Under three icons",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it's the one that looks like a desk . Yeah , that one . There are Y_s {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So this is our working design presentation . Um I had a bit of {disfmarker} some issues with this , because I wasn't able to find everything I needed , but I guess that's {disfmarker} we're still in early stages . Um so , yeah , this is this . Though th the thing about working design is the {disfmarker} what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function . Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder . It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out , and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work . Don't know if I'm explaining that very well , but {disfmarker} how do I get to the next s ah . So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function , what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen . So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted tsh towards this practical function . And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately . So um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You just press {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , just click . That'll be fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So the findings that I got uh very {disfmarker} just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra-red is the best way to do that 'cause you don't need a sight line . So that's one thing we're gonna work on . Um the user interface is critical here , because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls {disfmarker} that converts the electrical energy into data , which then goes through the infra-red , so the the chip that uh I think Ian is designing , is gonna be crucial . And really it all comes down to the to the user , because they're the one that's controlling most of the working design . So the components that we find here are the energy source , you know the battery or whatever that's gonna m make it work , then the chip , which converts the data , the user that's controlling the chip , and the infra-red bulb that's gonna let us move the data to the receiver . So you have four main components and they are designed sort of like this . You have your energy source right there which then um brings uh energy or information to the chip , which is also controlled by the users . You have energy going to the user who's controlling the chip {disfmarker} ooh 's not what I wanted to do uh uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah use that thing {gap} you can go back , previous .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Previous . Sorry about that , guys .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Pardon .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , no , no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's just get back to my schematic here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ye Double click on it . With the right {disfmarker} with the left hand one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W yeah , yeah . I think it's frozen . Here . Don't show me that tip again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} There we are .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There we are . Sorry about this , guys .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm kind of pathetic with things like this . Um alright . So you have your energy source , your user interface who's controlling the chip , the chip also uses the energy , and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb , which will then bring the data to the receiver . So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out . And {vocalsound} personal preferences , besides the fact that I can't spell , we need a long-lasting energy source , people don't wanna be changing it a lot . We need a chip that works well with the user interface , that isn't too complicated . We need a straightforward interface , like Ian was saying , simple , not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra-red signal , so that you're not waving your remote around",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands . So that's pretty much it for the working design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . {gap} So , um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rose , do you think you can give me a hand with this ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , absolutely . Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lefty loosey , righty tighty , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What's up ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Lefty loosey , righty tighty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Lefty loosey . Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Never heard that before ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll think of that every time now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's gonna stick in your head .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a good one it'll stick with you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Um I have nothing on my screen . Just a sec . Here we are .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Ooh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah , it's fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no signal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , requirements . We have a couple new requirements that I was just e-mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in um in mind as we're creating this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We didn't bring it up yet , or at all in the meetings so far , but we're not gonna work with teletext because um {disfmarker} well it {disfmarker} that's been taken over by the internet , so we're not gonna worry about um {disfmarker} we're not gonna worry about that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's teletext ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , it's a British thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You don't have it in the States ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no . W d could {disfmarker} would you care to explain it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I didn't realise . Um yeah , it's like a {disfmarker} I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser . Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control , uh y and you type in the page number you want ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it . And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S {vocalsound} Lottery numbers and sport scores .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , news headlines .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But if you ever see the T_V_ saying like go to page one sixty on Ceefax now , that's what they're talking about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's earl it's pretty old technology .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like nineteen eighties .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That explains a lot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea why we don't have it , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Interesting . Okay um , well , we're not gonna {disfmarker} the management has decided we're not gonna work with that . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera . Just for television . That's what we're focused on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um otherwise becomes to complex , we wanna get this out um very quickly . We only have a a short amount of time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and finally there's more marketing , I think , um , our corporate image has to be recognisable . So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So what's our corporate image like ? It's {disfmarker} It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Looks like , yeah , kind of a yellow and black and we have that {disfmarker} the emphasis on the R_s in um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's like double R_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's , yeah , we put the um fashion in electronics . So we gotta keep that in that in mind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we want something that looks good",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and is yellow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or {vocalsound} ha maybe some buttons could be yellow . Like , we can we can play around with it a little bit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . Okay , we need to talk about our functions and our target group . We need to decide who our target group is . You um in your analysis of different market um {disfmarker} of the marketing , you identified that different groups wanted different things",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or had certain preferences , for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition , but younger people did .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and so who are we aiming this at ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion {disfmarker} we put the fashion in in electronics then you {disfmarker} automatically , I think , a sort of younger group that {disfmarker} that's {disfmarker} who's gonna be attracted to this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes , I do think , who's gonna have the money to buy that also , that one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember , so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now , those are {disfmarker} that's all specific for speech recognition . Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I would say no , because it's gonna add too much to the price . Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product , people are gonna be paying",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh , well , uh we've got a price limit of {disfmarker} was it twelve twelve and a half Euros for {disfmarker} to produce it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To produce it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "To produce it , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I wonder if we can get voice recognition into that twelve and a half Euros without having to make too many other compromises .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But what else are we gonna put , I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it , I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though . So like other than just making it look good , how is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement ? Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's a good thing to keep in mind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "in fact it could use {disfmarker} it could mean , not . If {vocalsound} {disfmarker} they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If someone's looking to buy a new remote , don't they want like an upgrade ? I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Upgrade ? Well , we can look for {disfmarker} we can look at upgrade or we can look at um user-friendly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , simplification .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Simplification ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They could have a crap remote",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that came with their T_V_ that's just impossible to use , or maybe it broke , or maybe they're just missing it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , mm . And we also need to talk about if we're only gonna have the very simple ones or also have the other ones just separate somehow or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can you like {disfmarker} I mean this may be too complicated , but , I wish I had something to explain it , like if it was just a simple , either this way or this way , that had like the main buttons and then you could like pull something out , kind of and like you got the rest the buttons ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the rest of them like went in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The remote {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you know what I'm saying ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Kind of pull out of the side .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There are remote controls like that , yeah . Like some T_V_s they have a sort of uh a sliding screen on the remote control of it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that hides all the complicated buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if you wanna do something complicated like programme your television or re-tune it , then you you open up this little hatch or or slide the screen down",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and there's all the {disfmarker} all the special buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause then 's like people who don't wanna ever look at them , never even have to see them",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and if you like get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just don't even read it then you'll never even know that those things can pull out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you're a happy person and everyone else doesn't have to have like two remotes , one that has the easy ones and one that has",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "more complicated ones ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a good idea , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but 's all still in one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we have to be careful that that that doesn't impede um the chip transmitting information , but um that's gonna be mostly technological thing . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um , so what are we emphasising ? I {disfmarker} what in this project ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Si simplicity and fashion .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Simplicity and fashion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think simplicity , fashion .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , those are very good goals , I think , um that we have to keep in mind in {disfmarker} with everything we do . Simplicity and fashion and , yeah , {disfmarker} or usability speci however you wanna say that , which includes um an emphasis on making the infra-red very functional , so that you don't have to travel around a lot .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What can you do to like make the infra-red more functional , like why would it not be ? I'm just wondering .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's a lot {vocalsound} to do with battery , but that's just my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The battery and that {disfmarker} I think that the chip takes the data and presents it well , without sort of scattering .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So 's just the quality of the chip .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The quality {vocalsound} uh quality of all the components really , I mean , we can't really do anything {disfmarker} shoddy work , 'cause it's",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "gonna be visible down the line .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So our target group , we're saying , fifteen to thirty five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I dunno how useful that number is if we're not doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S voice recognition , which I kind of I kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . I don't .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like it might be necessary for a T_V_ but not for the remote c , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's , yeah , it's pretty it's pretty high-tech .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Seems a little bit {disfmarker} Mm-hmm . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it might be too expensive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if the whole idea is you're using a remote then why would you have voice ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like you know what I mean and then it's like you wouldn't need a remote you'd just talk to your T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's for , like , the ultimately lazy people ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "who can't even be bothered to pick up the remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} I mean if I get m more numbers , I'll e-mail you before the next meeting in terms of ages . But this doesn't divide up anything and there was only a hundred subjects also ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which isn't , I mean , really isn't that representative , especially if it's a hundred subjects that th they then can subdivide into age groups that means there's very few in each age group , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but I th I think regardless we're we're aiming for the under sixty five or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Under sixty five , okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's a good start . Um . I'd say we're {disfmarker} uh can we narrow it down to maybe um teenagers and families ? 'Cause that would go up to like fifty ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or like single professionals or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , single {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twenty to like fifty five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's it's hard to narrow it down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's really hard to figure out right now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think the product appeals across a quite a broad range of ages .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , we we said simplicity is is one of the features , so it's going to appeal to people , maybe people who have problems with technology , you know , people who get scared by having lots of buttons ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that might be older people ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but then we've also got fashion , which is something that definitely appeals to younger people .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe we don't have to defi define the target group by the demographic of age ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "maybe we can define it by like the demographic of like h t how much money they have to spend or something like that ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah aim for a {disfmarker} an income group .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's a good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like , well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "obviously it has to be someone who owns a television ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe it's more useful to d d to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , t probably .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because , yeah , things so different will appeal to different people , but {disfmarker} Okay . Um oh , there're a couple functions {disfmarker} do we want something so that {disfmarker} do we want some kind of thing to find it if it's lost ? Like a button on a T_V_ you can press",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it'll ring or something , I don't know like {disfmarker} or beep ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "H I mean , like I said before , fifty per cent of of the fru f like frustration someone can have that was the biggest one and half the people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if we're talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it wouldn't be like a random thing to sort of add in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It would be relevant to like the overall goal I think ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that'll probably be good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we have to {disfmarker} we have about four minutes left to define our functions . So let's do that quickly . Um so we want something to keep it from getting lost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} we want um we want large buttons for the essential things . Large , accessible buttons for the essentials .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We want a possibility to um to get um a possibility to get the extra functions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which are kind of hidden away in some way or well not hidden but they're uh they're not as prominent as the main features .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah , hidden way . And we also want it to be fashionable , which I'm not sure if that's a function so much as a um yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} on your coffee table , it's not like an eye sore , that kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , do it . Any other essential functions that we need ? Battery ? Do we need a long-life battery ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Battery battery use . Yeah , but I think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we might as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you never have to change the battery .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We should maybe investigate whether it needs a battery at all . I suspect the remote control does need a battery ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I would imagine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but I dunno if you can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just 'cause it is an electronic device , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} I think it does . I don't I don't think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without without one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , without the energy , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone , or like a little cradle for your iPod .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's that's possible . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could {disfmarker} we could maybe do that instead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Charging .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you don't ha you got like a rechargeable battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , that might contribute to less people losing it too if it {vocalsound} it stays in one place .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have to think about um space in living-rooms , too , like 'cause they're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean , would you put it on top of the T_V_ ? I don't know , just think {disfmarker} okay , that's {vocalsound} that's a good idea , we'll keep it . Think it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's just off the top of my head .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And maybe fun . Okay . Um 'kay we're gonna conclude now , has everyone said their functions and {disfmarker} 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um after the meeting we're gonna each complete a sks um a questionnaire and a summaries {disfmarker} summary . I don't know what summarisation . Um and then we'll have our lunch break . After that we have thirty minutes of individual work . Um I'll make sure to put up um the minutes and the project documentation and including these PowerPoint slides . If everyone could do that as well , that'd be great . Um you each have individual actions , I_ um I_D_ Industrial Design you've your components concept , User Interface , the user interface concept , market trend wa watching .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And as as per last time you'll get specific incrat instructions from your personal coach e-mailed to you . And hopefully , I hope , next time you'll be able to access more of the web site that they they seem to tell you that you could . It's kinda frustrating ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , who knows .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but um {disfmarker} Be sure to note any frustrations or any um issues that come up in your um in your um summary .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great seeing y'all . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Did you um {disfmarker} were you able to like put yours in the group folder ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I just did that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully it is there for people .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Looks like there are um {disfmarker} looks like there's a second one kind of of mine that's {disfmarker} that I didn't do ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's from like an earlier project , I think so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Where is that ? Yours is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Under the shared folder , I don't know it might not even be under yours as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Technical . So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Projects .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "in there we have technical functions presentation , working design presentation and the functional requirements . At least that's what I have in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I only have three , I just have like our three . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's what I have as well , R Rose {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . You don't have mine ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , but that's 'cause I think yours is in the e-mail separate , like it's not on the server .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if I open it and then save it , probably will be there . Oh wait , never mind you can't save it to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well I'll figure that out in the meantime .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
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"answer": "This meeting was about the conceptual design of the remote control. Firstly, groupmates presented on the conceptual specification on components, properties and materials as well as a conceptual specification on user interface design. Also, they suggested conceptual designs including the buttons, the circuit board, the chip to print as well as the LCD screen with backlighting in the device. Then, the group had a discussion on the final remote control concepts. So, they decided to have changeable covers in fruity colours, rechargeable batteries and scroll wheels. And they would leave the spongy case and the standard of the chip to be discussed in the next meeting.",
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"answer": "The first presentation mainly covered component design. Industrial Designer introduced what should be the case, the buttons, the circuit board with the chip and the battery made of and what they should look like. The second presentation was about properties and materials. User Interface advocated an LCD with backlighting in a small device. The third presentation was trend watching given by Marketing. So Marketing suggested space materials or the LCD screen because they stressed fashion, simplicity and technology innovation. Also, Marketing didn't suggest that spongy material was necessary.",
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"answer": "Project Manager thought a spongy remote would be easier on the hands, while Industrial Designer thought a latex case was hard to protect the stuff inside. Due to the discussion about repetitive stress injuries mentioned before, they didn't want to go for the spongy remote. Marketing supplemented that grippable thing was more than like sinking into the hands, so Marketing preferred the material like the one people have when sitting on a bicycle.",
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"answer": "When the group was discussing the four or five buttons around the scroll wheels, Marketing mentioned how to achieve going back to the menu with few buttons for main things if someone was changing the brightness. So User Interface thought that LCD screens might be a good theory, but not as useful in practice because people would not want to look down at the LCD screen and then back up at the television.",
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"answer": "Group mates agreed that the kinetic battery was awesome as long as they considered the cost and the reliability because it was more expensive than a regular battery. Also, groupmates suggested if they could use a cheaper chip, then they could even out the cost of this good kinetic battery technology.",
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"answer": "When the group was talking about the scroll wheel could be for changing the volume, User Interface thought it would not work for changing the channel because they really need buttons for changing a channel. So User Interface suggested the group could make a decision on it while they talked about the case.",
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{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} I g yeah . Time is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Fourteen twenty six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Lovely to see you all again . Um {vocalsound} it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twenty five and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock . Um okay {vocalsound} our agenda , we're gonna do an opening , I'm gonna review the minutes of the last meeting , then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote control concepts , and finally we'll close . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "opening . Um these are our minutes from r the functional design . We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it , because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups , different um functions of it . Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion . {vocalsound} And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost , large buttons for the essential functions , a possibility for extra functions , like a sliding a sliding piece {vocalsound} and a long-life battery or a charging station . Okay , now three presentations . I'd like to do it in this order , first do the conceptual specification of components , properties and materials {vocalsound} um and then the conceptual specification of user interface {vocalsound} and finally trend watching .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That would be me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'kay . Function F_ eight it . There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it . Components design . This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of . {vocalsound} Um . So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole . The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chip and the battery . These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like . The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's the shape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case . I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main base will be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic . That would be our case . Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scroll wheels ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen . {vocalsound} Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are . And then battery I think is where things get most exciting . We're talking about long-life batteries here . {vocalsound} Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries , but we also have these options of um {vocalsound} using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up . Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery . Or a solar battery , although there are slight um {vocalsound} complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights . Not quite sure what that is , but that's the description that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you . {vocalsound} So those are our options . Um personal preferences that I was thinking through {disfmarker} here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity . So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements . Maybe titanium , maybe some wood . We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind . And we wanna go for simplicity . Probably pushbuttons , but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anything",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into . And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery . {vocalsound} Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing . But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down . Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_ . So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down . That's what I have for options . Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is double-curved like {disfmarker} would be like two hands kind of thing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure . I haven't received any specific",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "visuals of this yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curve",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is what I'm sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . I'm not sure ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but I've no idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I wonder {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it . But the titanium , they were quite {disfmarker} they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Space-age remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Just an interesting marketing kind of element .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just all things to keep in mind . Yeah . {vocalsound} That's about all I have to do , guys . I hope I didn't go through that too quickly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , n",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no idea , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no idea , no idea . Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um but other than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright ? Any other questions ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Don't think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have save this in the uh shared projects , if anyone wants to look",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you , perfect .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , if anyone needs any more information . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um {disfmarker} underneath our {disfmarker} oh , uh in your book ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just in my notebook ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "then don't worry about that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something . Alright ? Uh I guess I can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um . This one's so much tighter than the other one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Nope . There we go . Here you are .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Jess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "G oh , geez .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device . Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface . We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable . Um other {disfmarker} we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose . Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include {disfmarker} that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people . We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "how how {disfmarker} what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device . Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features . And of course we also have to make it look cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So basically ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's what we don't want . {vocalsound} M we don't want lots of buttons , uh complicated features . We want something that looks nice and simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Here's a a fairly simple device . This is an an iPod from Apple . Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons . It's very minimalistic in its design . Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen . Um {vocalsound} the thing I like about this is that it's very very quick to access the main features . Uh you can just about make out uh that the button {disfmarker} three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause . They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time . Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the little menu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want . So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have . Um {vocalsound} here's a another example . This is uh {disfmarker} it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool . Um it's certainly got novelty value .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's nice and colourful , it's nice and bright . Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around . The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of {disfmarker} yeah if you're watching T_V_ in the dark or whatever , you can work out which button's which and basically , yeah it's ith it's fun . So I {vocalsound} I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often . So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels . I mean most people , when they watch T_V_ , they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T_V_ and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most . So , you have buttons for your favourite channel , changing the volume , which is something you do all the time when you're watching T_V_ , and the button to switch it off , in case you get bored . Um other features , things like adjusting the brightness , tuning the T_V_ , uh I don't know what else you do with a T_V_ . Um but these are these are all necessary functions . Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast , so we need to find a way of including these somehow . Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system , a bit like on the iPod . So we'd either have a small L_C_D_ display on the device itself , or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you'd be advocating an L_C_D_ then ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think that's {vocalsound} that's one way to go , yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L_C_D_ display , it's it's nice , because it's {disfmarker} it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There are disadvantages , an an L_C_D_ display would have to be quite small , 'cause we're we're {vocalsound} I {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "well we're {disfmarker} I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device . Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it , 'cause you ten you tend to watch T_V_ in the dark ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display . The alternative is to have a {vocalsound} an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control . Uh a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your {disfmarker} this thing of watch lo what's on each channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean that that's also a good idea . It's it can it does have it's problems as well , if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other side of a room , it's hard to read the little text that comes up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and so",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like favourite channels is is applicable , but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's {disfmarker} um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Are you are you tak",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like I I know I use that often enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wait , but is that separate from what he was saying ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote , I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly , rather than menu as what's on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that that would be one of the features , yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control , at least I don't think you can .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I'm not sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , now we're moving on to market . Marketing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Should I plug that in ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that going on ? Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's just not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh that should be alright , actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is it on ? Ri What F_ do you have to press ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "five ? I just keep pressing lots of 'em . Well , I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be . {vocalsound} If anything , the {gap} that they gave me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oops , it's not plugged in , quite in well enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No signal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There we are .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oop , there we go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . {vocalsound} Okay , so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching . {vocalsound} Basically , I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted , and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So first um they had people {disfmarker} they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls , and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference , but that really , over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes , so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so , even though we're stressing , when we're talking , we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea , they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel . And as these are ranked , the top one is doubly important to the second one , which is doubly important to the third one ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so just to take that weight into account . {vocalsound} The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations . That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that . And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this . I don't know how much we agree with that . {vocalsound} And then {vocalsound} the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy , {vocalsound} tight material .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S sweet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And so that brings us to my personal preferences . Who wants a spongy remote or one with {vocalsound} fruit and vegetable padding .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily {vocalsound} wanna take away .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to {vocalsound} like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking . Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most . {vocalsound} But {vocalsound} it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that pretty much sums it up . So yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , do we have any {disfmarker} s some questions for this , let's see um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If it's latex {disfmarker} if it's latexy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's kind of {disfmarker} and then it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A kind of thing that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "An uh I {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} th {vocalsound} my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but that it's covered with the latex , which is spongier and softer on your hands . It's {disfmarker} there's something to be said , I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to {disfmarker} R_ R_ repetitive stress injuries and things",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so something , m m instead of a necess",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "something grippable , I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy , maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , grip , I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like I'm imagining that sort of thing , I don't know what th that material's called .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's {disfmarker} that seems doable . {vocalsound} could we go in fruit and vegetable colours ? We could colour-co-ordinate them ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F for sure , or maybe like",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "li",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um couple main ones being like , I dunno , lemons or strawberries or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The buttons could be fruit-shaped .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could they be smelly ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable ? Uh like uh I dunno , like uh carrots or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh God .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or carrot shaped ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's quite easy to s shape thing like carrot",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Maybe ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Like large button ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's what I was thinking of , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about the idea of like a round remote ? Instead of like a vertical up and down one . Like in terms of holding it . Like that's a f shape of a fruit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} be {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Kind of like a potato .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "would you think you you {disfmarker} do you think you'd be able to hold it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just to tie it in a little .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I think the reason they're long is {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It'd be harder to press button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Harder to push .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Depends . When you when you use a remote , do you press the buttons with your thumb , usually ? Or your fingers ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I usually hold it in one hand . Maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone , so you you hold it in one hand , and you press the buttons with your thumb .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then the buttons would have to be very small .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's ts how I tend to do it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Don't you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just thumb-sized .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Jus",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I mean in order to get to all of them ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I like i",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway , then it's it's not so much a problem , perhaps .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod , that's how I do it , hold it and press the four . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} And you find that works quite well ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause th",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The button on an iPod , is it {disfmarker} what is it , is it just four buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's like five ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a scroll , yeah , it's a wheel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} wel well {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause there's one in the middle .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah , it would {disfmarker} I mean each version of it has been a little bit different ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it , I don't think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Oh yeah , you had one of the in-between ones , when they weren't doing that anymore . Ts and you press the centre button ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's that's your all-purpose select button right there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see , right , yeah . Oh , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's quite a good design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like just the idea of like those {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so few buttons for main things ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "t",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but then how you could go back to the menu and like , I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T_V_ . I kind of am wanting to say on the T_V_ ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause if you're changing the brightness , don't you wanna see it happening , kind of ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then you could still have that available .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think an {vocalsound} L_C_D_ screen might be good in theory , but not as useful in practice .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it could be difficult in practice ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Also z yeah , 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen , than back up at your T_V_",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and people don't wanna do that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh we probably have to get going , don't we ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so I'm I'm gonna continue with my pres presentation . Um I've one more slide before we close , but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this {disfmarker} these kinds of things , so I'll just bring that up and show you all",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "before we move on . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could {disfmarker} Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile ? In different fruit and vegetable colours ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables , I'll let you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like , to make it different fruits . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's possible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and then like the the covers could be spongy latex",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "wherea but the actual model could be titanium .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you could co-ordinate with your house {vocalsound} or whatever . All these options .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe th the packaging , it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it , and the remote control's inside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah hmm hmm hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Don't know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there we go . The iPod packaging is me like was so {disfmarker} that was like half the fun .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's like the way it all comes all cute .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Options .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lemons ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "components concept . Energy , chip on print .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-hu oh , oh yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "G",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get {disfmarker} be necessary but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's th th this is the agenda they gave me . So can you just explain what that is real quick ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so um decisions , what the {disfmarker} okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think it's awesome . I think it's really cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Am I {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean , it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um I think it's good , as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , I haven't gotten any {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but as far as I know , the technology is good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Costs .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah , any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery , but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip , then it'll even out , I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But over time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um circuit boards . Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced . They're {vocalsound} they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions . I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I can't can't really tell you . I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works . But I don't know any decisions on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If they're if they're really options .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm sorry ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I did f",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same , I think . Uh it's fairly fairly standard .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , then we'll move on to the case . Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got . Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print . The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that . Um , {vocalsound} 'kay , the pushbutton {disfmarker} if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced . Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel . I mean it might be nice for changing the volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It would be nice for changing the volume ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel . 'Cause you don't have control over numbers",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it would really work .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you really need buttons for changing a channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices , than you can scroll down on the scroll .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But if you c if you could scroll through the channels , and then the volume would just be",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have five minutes left for the meeting , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the volume would just be like the same way , forward and backward as {disfmarker} I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And otherwise , no matter how may buttons we have , we're gonna have like , you know , black with red sticking out and th no {disfmarker} it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , have a scroll for volume ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F or for all those secret functions ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} yeah , I think a scroll wheel would be nice , but it's not necessary . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip , depending {disfmarker} and maybe we could table that decision for later .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think w well {disfmarker} I think when we go on to the une userface , we're gonna have to decide {disfmarker} the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well , let's think about that while we talk about the case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's do case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex , if if spongy is the in thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it , because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , everything I've {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that {vocalsound} there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not too thick a layer of latex , just enough to be grippable , like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The inside is hard . I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ge o",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that that's done for us .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we uh we do want latex .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Latex . Um and probably in colours , maybe fruity , vegetable colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fruity colours . {vocalsound} Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh and we want a curved case , yeah ? Or a double-curved ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , we don't really know what the difference is , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm thinking curved of some sort .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We don't really know what the difference {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , interface , the type and the supplements . So push or scroll ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right ? Or both ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Um {disfmarker} And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , it's uh {vocalsound} it's it's fairly simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker} yeah . For channel surfing I think a scroll {disfmarker} an actual {disfmarker} like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that okay with you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How you feeling ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . And let's like see if we get anything else . I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel , it's more just to give it a different kind of look ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool , then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It might be cool enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons , and then supplements ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "how are we gonna do that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh what do you mean by supplements , exactly ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um I assume that's what else we're gonna {disfmarker} like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we're gonna have like a menu button ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so that we can access on-screen things then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So what are what are our buttons gonna be ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . On off ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On off {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh volume , favourite channels , uh and menu .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So like one through five , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like a radio type sorta situation ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "about {disfmarker} yeah like {disfmarker} yeah , a bit like radio presets . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we wouldn't even need the numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe numbers seems {disfmarker} is kind of old-fashioned .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , you can just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , up down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the volume control could double for that , for example .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay , um finishing the meeting now . Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um you each have things to do , look and feel design , user interface design , product evaluation , and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay . You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um did we decide on a chip ? Let's go with a simple chip ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Simple chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We are done . Thank you everyone . Oh I di these are already in our shared folder , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , cool . Clay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Clay . I wasn't expecting that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "This meeting was about the prototype presentation and evaluation. Firstly, the group presented the prototype with agreed features including a latex case in fruity colours that's curved, push buttons with an on-screen menu button as well as eight extra buttons. Next, the group had a discussion about the prototype evaluation. They gave a high scale of the score on creativity, ease of use, integration of fruits as well as the simplicity. Also, they gave an average score on technology innovation and ease of learning. Then, the group agreed to set the target price at 12.5 Euros. Lastly, the group had a discussion about the project process, including management and leadership as well as group mates' personal learning.",
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{
"answer": "The group had an evaluation on the prototype after a presentation on it. They gave high scores in turns of product creativity, easy to use, integration of fruits, appropriate behaviour, simplicity and fashion. They gave a medium score in turns or technological innovation, ease of learning and not easy to lose.",
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"answer": "Marketing thought the prototype was not much technologically innovative because they didn't have LCD screens and a fancy chip. While Project Manager thought the kinetic battery was a good innovation. The group supplemented that people might notice this feature after a year if they hadn't changed the battery. So the group agreed to give an average of four out of seven.",
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"answer": "Marketing firstly took the iPod as an example when illustrating the ease of learning the new remote. However, User Interface mentioned that it would be harder because users had to use the menu system and need to tell it what their favourite channels were. And it was a high learning curve, so User Interface gave four out of seven.",
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"answer": "The group set the target price at 12.5 Euros and limited the cost under 12.5 Euros. So they agreed to use one kinetic battery, single electronics, single-curved rubber case with colour per unit and up to three colours. Also, they decided to have six buttons in one colour.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought they were making multiple varieties of button colours which made people confused. So Project Manager suggested that each unit would only have one colour on each button. To avoid confusion, the group agreed to have up to three colours for the buttons.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer suggested having buttons all in one colour and reduced to four. While Project Manager thought that six buttons were important and suggested having a single-curved and a simple chip to even out the product cost. The group agreed on it and they had a product price reduced to 12 Euros.",
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{
"content": "Okay um , welcome to our detailed design meeting . I'm pretty excited . Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that . Okay um the agenda {disfmarker} we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting , what we d discussed um , then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria . We'll look at the finances and finally a {disfmarker} do a production evaluation and close . So , starting off with the um last {disfmarker} the last one , oh I don't have it here um , but we talked about energy , we're gonna use a kinetic battery um , we want to use a simple chip , because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um , we're gonna need a scroll um , we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu . And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons , including five pre-set channels . Okay ? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , do you wanna start ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one . Um we have our colours not {disfmarker} are not fixed , but this is the general shape . Um it's {disfmarker} you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand . You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone , or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand , or even {disfmarker} I mean there's a whole variety , you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger . Uh we have the on off button at the tip , very visible , very big . We have our up and down buttons , which are also gonna be our channel selectors , and we have our little menu button here . If you push {disfmarker} if you're just pushing these normally , they're the menu buttons , if {disfmarker} uh the volume buttons rather . If you press select once , they become channel changing buttons . If we press select three times , the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T_V_ channel choices shows up , and you have your five presets down here . Um if people wanna grab hold of that , see how it feels in your hand . That's our number one prototype . Um do you wanna present the potato ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} like a little lightning in it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or shall I present the Martian ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The little lightning bolt in it , very cute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} We call that one the rhombus ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The v the rhombus rhombus ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh the rhombus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's the rhombus , yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um this one is known as the potato , uh it's",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's a {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "how can I present it ? It's an ergonomic shape , so it it fits in your hand nicely . Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand . Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one . Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume . So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here . Um the red ones are for uh changing channels , channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected . Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select and that's basically it , that's the potato .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um on , off ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that would be one of your channels , basically ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we turn it off .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um not really ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you pressed and held it maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah . That'd work , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If you like held it down , that would be on off .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . On off , that's a possibility , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way . Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel . Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top . {vocalsound} We have the five preset seeds {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle . So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's pass .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We figured it could stand up like this on your table , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , what's the yellow one in the middle ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh the menu select button . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I forgot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Very interesting . {vocalsound} I think that one's my favourite .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that's {disfmarker} So that's our three prototypes . Um basically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide what kind of button layout we want , how many buttons , and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device , like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "maybe with with less contrasts on it . Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would {disfmarker} Yeah , but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now that was one thing that we brought up over email . I don't know if you picked up your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it {disfmarker} it's not just like another piece of technology around your house . It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's really {disfmarker} Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off ? Do you think that would be conceptually possible ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it would be difficult technologically ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "s so it's {disfmarker} I'm not quite sure how it would work",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's true , mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else . Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay , that's a fair evaluation . Getting lost . Um we {disfmarker} so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now . Okay 'cause {disfmarker} well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I feel like this is simil {vocalsound} or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different . I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno . But I also like the b the side buttons on that one , like I think that's kind of neat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable , sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off ? So then w we wouldn't have to have like a dual function ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's possible , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's good , that's good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "there we go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Here , stick it on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Put an extra the button on {gap} {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um uh why don't we do a product evaluation using your criteria , if you've developed some ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well do we w {vocalsound} like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So where {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was a little vague on what exactly I'm supposed to do , but let me {disfmarker} I have to like write something on the whiteboard , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Do you need this",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or just write on the white board ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause I think it would be redundant .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's kind of like uh like a joystick kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "kinda push it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hey .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a little smaller than that {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I kinda like it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's hard to miss .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It makes look more fruity as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it does ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's kind of like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's like a deformed foot , I dunno . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There it could have a stem like that , 'cause I do l kind of like the stem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It almost helps you ge keep a grip too , 'cause it goes in between fingers {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like this one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Variety of colours are nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "is that where people are leaning then , the potato ? I like the idea of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think I'm leaning towards the potato .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean that's really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down , that one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I am worried about like um using a menu . Um in that {disfmarker} like i withing menus there are submenus , and so how do you get back to the main menu ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that {disfmarker} on the iPod , for example , you just {disfmarker} every time you wanna go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But that has a menu button separate from a select button , whereas if this one's both the menu and the select button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is , it's {disfmarker} the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You find the choice that you want and you press uh you press the right button uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Could these be used for going to submenus",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , so they're used for going into and out of your submenus , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Maybe {disfmarker} yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "maybe it can be one of those , if you press down and hold for two seconds , then it brings you back one level or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay . Well , as long as we have that in mind as we're designing it still , mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s um necessities , the yellowy one is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The potato ? Are we leaning towards the potato ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Potato .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So basically what we need to do is some of the things that we've talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So what we sort of wanna do is that we each need to separately rank each of the following things and then I'll tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we'll just go through them one at a time and we'll just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to seven with one being really extremely true and seven being not true at all , or false , if the remote that we've created conforms to the following criteria . So we can do this one first . First we wanna know if it meets the fancy look and feel um objective . So like in my opinion the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} for now at least , the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so I'm gonna say it's like a three . That's just my opinion .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What does {vocalsound} each of you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I kind of think it's it's unique enough that I'd give it a one or a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well give it a number ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sorry {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I will give it a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I dunno if it's it's creative . I dunno if fancy is the word I would use . I dunno if any of them are fancy in {disfmarker} I'd say two , because c unique .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll go for two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And two , awesome . Alright , and same sort of scale for functionality , is it functional ? I think it's extremely functional , I'm gonna give it a one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's it's functional , it's also pretty basic , so I'll give it a two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um functional . I think it'll get everything done , I think it might be a little confusing at first , um , I don't know if that's gonna be a later one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well there's some other ones , I will address that ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , then I'm gonna give it a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Awesome , okay . Um we wanna know next if it's technologically innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did you give a functional {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , she said it was one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um is it technologically innovative ? Mm . Not really , I mean not so much , 'cause we we don't have the L_C_D_ screen , we don't have fancy chip . Other than what it looks like , I dunno if it's really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , the kinetic battery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} In the battery , that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I kinetic battery is a big one , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How many people would notice that , though ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . But it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But they'll notice it after like a year ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but we know it's there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they'll be like hey , I have never changed the battery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And if it's made of like latex , that whole idea , that's pretty cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Just the material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll give it a three . 'Cause it {disfmarker} we could've picked a lot of features that would've made it really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I I would say that it's {disfmarker} Yeah , like fancy versus creative it's it's different . But does that equal innovative ? I dunno . I'll give it a three .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Everyone else ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say it's technologically it's not it's not unique , I mean it's it's just {disfmarker} it is just pushbuttons um , so I I'd give it a four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Think I'm gonna go with the four as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I really like that kinetic battery though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Next , is it easy to use ? Just so you know , easy to learn will be separate ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so don't overlap them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it's really easy to use . I'll give it a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I'll give it a one . Pretty hard to mess up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll say one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh let's say two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um we next wanna see if it has a spongy quality",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} if indeed it's made of latex or rubber I {disfmarker} it's spongy all the way . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Give it a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I wonder if it bounces when you drop it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , that you couldn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it'd be harder to break ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "harder to lose . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause there would be less impact maybe , {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Iain , what do you give it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd I'd give it a one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright and the next is , does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables {vocalsound} ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh um {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , is it gonna be yellow ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It it might be , 'cause that's our corporate colour , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's right , yeah , corporate colour , we didn't keep that in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We might wanna keep it yellow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if we {disfmarker} I know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing , but if we had all the buttons in black , and a design in {disfmarker} and the outside in yellow , that'd be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colours , one a more conservative one , one that's more fruity .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and can we have like an R_R_ inscribed on the bottom or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If we had a yellow {disfmarker} Sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fruity , so fruity .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so I think it it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it was inspired by the potato , so I think it's pretty fruity .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think i it's kind of mangoey too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , mango",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mangoey is better , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that that {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like mangoes {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay , I'm giving it a one {vocalsound} the mango {gap} put me over .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a much more trendy than a potato {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} What are {disfmarker} what's everyone's numbers ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright um , and does the design match the appropriate behaviour ? Remember earlier we discussed that people don't use a lot of buttons , that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most . I think we really took that into account a lot , so I'm gonna give it a one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , me too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Did you say one , Rose ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay um , also we talked earlier about R_S_I_ and wanting to prevent um any sort of like Carpal Tunnely kind of thing . Do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account ? I think I'll give it a two , 'cause I almost feel like no matter what you do , something is gonna happen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's gonna be hard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if it's repetitive movement it is gonna be only four buttons that you're constantly pushing , but um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um um worth the risk , I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I like how it fits in the hand though so I I'd go with a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'll I'll say two as well . Because older people that aren't used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at first ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I'll I'll say two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright , awesome . And the ease of learning it . I know you were saying that you're a little bit nervous about that , I dunno . It sort of reminds me of the iPod . I just got mine , I still haven't read the instruction book and I'm doing okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I'm not good at learning technology . So I'll give it a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing , but I think if it's one it's one of those things that it might take you five minutes to figure out , but you'll have it afterwards .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I'd I think I'd give it a two I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it it's probably a little harder then most remotes to learn , because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favourite channels are",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that could take a bit of learning at first , but",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "once you've , yeah once you'd learned how to use it , I think it is a lot easier . So I'd I'd give it a four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think I'd give it a four too . It's a pretty high learning curve , it'll be easy once you've done it , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Alright , um also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we're not addressing that at all , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we can kind of say we addressed it with colour , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so in terms of not losing it , do you think that on a scale of one to seven , how easy or hard is it to lose ? I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four , 'cause I think that you can still {disfmarker} if it's in between somewhere where you can't see it , you're kind of not gonna find it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but anywhere else it's gonna stand out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um I'd say I'd give it uh a three , I guess it depends on how tidy you are normally .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm I'd give it a four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I'll give it a five 'cause i it would be easy to lose something like that , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Small too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , we also said simplicity , {vocalsound} how w how well does it address just being simple ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Simple to use or simple in design ? Do you know ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think overall , 'cause we had said before our two main things were simplicity and fashion ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so those are the next two things we're gonna look at . Separate from fancy , like that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um it like wants to be simple but it's not like totally totally simple , so I'm gonna give it a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm {gap} give it a three I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll give it a two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and fashionable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's totally fashionable . I'd give it a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's hot , I mean it's a mango , come on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mango .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I mean how fashionable can you make a remote ? I think it's bringing technology and fashion together real really well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I dunno .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it's quite as fashionable as my robot remote",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I do like uh the little Martian one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or alien or whatever he was .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the toggle on off switch , it's really appealing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Number .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal , that whole thing ? Just that it would se serve our audience . I don't see why not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I think as long {disfmarker} if we offer in a {disfmarker} in at least three different colour arrangements . Um yeah , that's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'll give it a a two {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'll say two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we didn't talk about ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well um we didn't we didn't address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo , so let's let's make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colours concepts is corporate and has an R_R_ on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shall we uh {disfmarker} Well I think all of them should have an R_R_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "All of them should have R_R_ , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so we're gonna do that , so it will address it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "fine . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lovely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , now we're gonna look at finances . Um I have an Excel sheet that we're actually gonna calculate the cost um , so let me exit out of this first . Okay um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh my . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whoa .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know . Let me {gap} one more space . Gonna zoom in real quick . {gap} Okay . Hand dynamo . We're using kinetic battery ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we're n using kinetic , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right ? Um and we're having one per {disfmarker} One , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um electronics .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Single .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Simple , simple rather .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Simple .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Um the case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh uh double-curved .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Guess it's double-curved . It is pretty curvy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's very curvy ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so okay . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I never did get a picture of those so I don't really know . Our case material supplements {disfmarker} oops , we just skipped by them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well don't we need plastic , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , we we {disfmarker} the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed . The supplement is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Provided , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The wood ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I guess it was rubber rather than latex .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean the rubber .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was rubber and special colour , right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we have more than one special colour ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we're using {disfmarker} we're gonna need at least two special colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Special colours , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what the se the basic colour is though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Per {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno where it {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , but we know that we're having at least three colours ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So let's y say three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , are we talking about on each colour combination or are we , you know , we'll {disfmarker} like we'll have yellow and black . Is that two special colours ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I dunno . That I thi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or or is white and black , then two more or {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thought that would be under yours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . I guess it's three ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We'll just say three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "three three {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the R_R_ will be in colour as well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so yeah . Interface , we're doing push buttons . And how many buttons do we have ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've got five {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six , with the power .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "six .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "no , five . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anything else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No . Oh , we'll {disfmarker} do we wa Are the buttons in special colour , special f I didn't get information on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh wait .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "buttons {disfmarker} oh , so um . So the case material will just have one colour , right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but then the buttons will be in special colours ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "does it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but if we're making multiple varieties of {disfmarker} this is where I'm getting confused .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're saying per unit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} per unit , okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , per unit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so each unit will only have one colour on their {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and each button s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the case is {disfmarker} could have up to thr I mean the buttons could ea could be up to three colours , 'cause that how it's designed there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like it like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Special form ? They're all kind of just push button ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think they're fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Special material ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Material , we want them rubber as well probably , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Oh do {disfmarker} I have to do it per button , do I ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I don't think so . I think they're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "if they're all gonna be rubber then it {disfmarker} that's what it matters .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'cause for the whole mat case material it's only one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} I mean it's two to make it rubber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh wait , so maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thirteen point seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what can we reduce ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's have our buttons all be one colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , I kind of like the buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's see what that would do . It's only gonna bring us down to thirteen point three anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay um , are we sure this is double-curved ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's single-curved ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have no idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have no idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , I didn't get any pictures . {vocalsound} It's single curved .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's single curved .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Why not ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it's not the {disfmarker} yeah . Okay , it's the kinetic battery that's kind of expensive , but we have a simple chip , single curve ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "case material is rubber and it's a special colour ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but that's important . Six buttons {disfmarker} we have to have six buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That is important . How did it get more expensive , what did you just change ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was it was thirteen and now it's fifteen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , okay , maybe not . I don't know what just happened . Now it's twelve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What was our target price again ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five . Hey hey .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five . So we're just just about there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we're okay , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We're all set then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ish .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we're all set .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um save . I saved that to our um our big shared folder , so you know . Um okay , back to agenda . {vocalsound} Um are the {disfmarker} are the costs under twelve fifty Euro ? Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they are .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's move on to the project evaluation . Project process . Satisfaction with for example the room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , the means , any new ideas found . So I guess what we're gonna talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project , the information we got on the news , how we used it , if we were able to um , you know , use our creativity with the information , um how how well I guess I led it , um the {disfmarker} how well we worked together as a team , um the digital pens , the whiteboard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well . I felt very creative . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think we've been successful",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I enjoyed making the prototypes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in that we've achieved almost all of the design goals that we've set {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we've come up with a finished project and we just about got {gap} cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we could've done even better with a little bit more information ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like what's a single-curved case , how many colours , what do colours count",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "things , but given given what we had I think that we did we did really well . Um I think we worked together pretty well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean {vocalsound} if I'd had more market research on the {gap} fruits and vegetables , maybe we could've taken that into account .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But the fruits and vegetables , they really {gap} my creativity , so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I know , I really did , the the whole mango idea was great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you think we could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean I thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally , like its heaviness , and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages , I dunno . That was a bit of a distraction .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That was the last one , like I chose not to do a PowerPoint 'cause I didn't think it made sense to , so I liked that I had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I think we all made um very significant contributions ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think anybody dominated it , which I thought was really good , like each of us was able to um like each of you had your information and I uh I tried to facilitate it without like taking over , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like our little finished products .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Can we market this as the mango remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} They're funny .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Really cute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I kind of want one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Should we have that somewhere on the packaging ? I have a little R_R_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm trying to think of a good pun that I could add there {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "let's think of it like a little jingle .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like the R_R_ , that's gonna be etched in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but um it's quite a useful little gadget . All thanks to Iain for the design of that one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Okay um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . What did we find for new ideas ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "new ideas found ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "People should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Definitely . Or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches mm",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "etcetera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I'm so excited .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I didn't even know they existed .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I knew you can get watches that had them , like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery , 'cause you're always moving your wrist .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But in other things , I think it'd be really good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thi yeah , that's awesome . Um okay , closing . Are the costs within the budget ? Is the project evaluated ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now there's the final questionnaire and meeting summary . Um so , this is the great product kids , I think we've created something really interesting and that we have a market for it , um especially if we can produce it at twelve point three",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which we hope um {disfmarker} yeah . Make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of both the process and the um the final results and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , Real Reaction .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I do like the Martian remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If we could choose more than one , that would be my second choice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that would definitely be my second choice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Although the tog toggle",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm afraid I would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's cool . Let's all let's all go for the yellow {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would break it . {vocalsound} I would break it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's cool . I think I would break it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It started because I wanted to have it as st as a stem",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Break the stem off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then {vocalsound} {disfmarker} alright , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's funny {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Is {disfmarker} it started as a pear , but then it started looking more and more like a Martian",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "when I put the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Kind of looks like a penguin , like {vocalsound} with no eye {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Take me to your leader . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , it's kind of a penguin .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like that it stands up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow , maybe I should market it to some remote control company now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So are are {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That was bound to happen.$",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , sad .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "poor little thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay , congratulations . Um . Anything else to say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nothing will come up until after our meeting's supposed to be over ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "its all timed .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um anybody have {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I got more master classes , anybody else wanna like take a master's class ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's really funny that you got spam in your work emails .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but check it out . So like there are all these like links , they don't go anywhere .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But all that you need to keep in mind your {gap} knowledge management . Um just wanna make sure you do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No the first one that you sent like I didn't realise that it was a joke and I was like why did she send this to us ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's very it's very work relevant ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause people send spam a lot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes definitely {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Let's see ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm very sad that I didn't get any links to the corporate website . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh here you can you can view .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what did I get through the corporate website ? It's just inspiration about circuit boards .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can just see what's up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's it's really deep . Hold on . Takes a little while to get excited to load . That {disfmarker} the Excel thing is pretty cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that is pretty neat .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I love Excel ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Here , like , basically",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's one of my favourite programs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's like inspiration , basically I'm gonna give you two sentences on fashion and that kind of thing , see . You didn't miss out that much .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I see , mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit , talking about circuit boards .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Spongy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I learned a lot actually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I could probably take apart a remote control now if I really needed to .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh wow . This one was cooler . I got a whole table and everything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now I have all about circuits and chips and transponders and {disfmarker} I wrote it all down , because I thought it would be relevant , like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control , but then they're like , you don't actually need this {disfmarker} you just need to talk about the case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's like mine it was like , would you prefer an L_C_D_ screen or a multifunction remote control ? And then it didn't have like any kind of table , like awesome , I'm glad they asked that question and didn't report the result {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's really interesting though . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We had a lot of the um {disfmarker} otherwise the technology {gap} today was kinda cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That was really neat how I got emails",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We didn't we didn't use the whiteboard that much .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Although I don't see how we could have very l at least for me",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} yeah . If I'd gotten pictures of the different parts of the case , the different looks of the case , I would have probably drawn them up ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause we weren't like voting on anything and I think usually , like whiteboards are good , you know like crossing out ideas , or like if we had had like a brainstorming period .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we could've put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but with only four people it doesn't really make sense .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I thought we were good orally .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And with and with the PowerPoint that we can all look at , like you can do all those things pretty much on PowerPoint",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think if you had a larger group {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Get crazy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "as that's not as necessary to have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And these might've made us more willing to like take notes than to like write up them here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause we all needed them separately , kind of on the whiteboards in this room .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because we're all gonna be working in different places .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} if we were all gonna stay in here all the time , then having the notes up on the whiteboard would've been alright ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but everyone needs their own , like specific notes , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now when you were um creating your um prototypes here , did you work together or did you like do separate projects ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we we worked together ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um and how we could like improve on the on the design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it was a bit of both really , we just kind of started out by each taking a colour of clay and just fooling around with it and I came up with that rhombus shape",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and he came up with the sort of potatoey , mangoey shape , and then just went from there really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was fun . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So well done with the management , I felt well managed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh thanks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we did well in first of all giving our meetings the time ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's kinda fun .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and second we actually we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That happened to me all the time though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points {gap} at the end of the meetings , so that we we knew where to go on from there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we weren't getting {disfmarker} we didn't really have enough information to make firm decisions ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but we were able to do it regardless , so . I'm not usually a very decisive person , so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in five minutes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is what we'll do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I found that we did {disfmarker} we could have used another five or ten minutes sometimes in the meetings .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Especially last time ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for some of the meetings , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think the last time we had a lot of information , but at the same time not quite enough ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know what I mean ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like we we couldn't answer every single question .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . And I I felt the first two meetings , that I was coming in with no information ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and not sort of made me really like , ooh I don't know {vocalsound} , throwing together PowerPoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite . I had so much information and so much to talk about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It was interesting what came out like later , like as I was doing the {disfmarker} when I was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me um , that more points came out from your presentation even .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . I'm a little {disfmarker} I am a little disappointed that we didn't do a {disfmarker} um something for losing the remote , because that was kind of a big point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} that was something like {disfmarker} in order to talk about that we would've had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and {vocalsound} things like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "About {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well the problem was , even when we just were creating from the Excel file , there wasn't like a option to select to somehow have it included ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so there was no {disfmarker} we could be like yeah , it has it included .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There was no way for us to have",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Considered the re",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "written down that it was really there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's interesting that they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we really got into it , I mean I got into it as the day went on and I got really like , ooh I'm designing a remote control , I dunno if that's just me ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It was interesting though that they put that fifty percent of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they didn't provide us with information to um {disfmarker} we weren't provided with information to discuss that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it'll beep , but I but I'm sure that would require some kind of technology",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} I just don't know what it is , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things so you won't lose them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . I mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least , there's only about two places that the remote is ever",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause there's only one T_V_ and there's only like three chairs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's like saying you're never gonna lose your keys , and I always do , anyway . You'll lose 'em in your pocket ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like you just will forget that {disfmarker} or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "there's always ways to lose things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It d yeah , it depends on how organised you are personally , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or like I guess what the setup of the house is too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But , I mean {disfmarker} I am notorious for losing my keys ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker} I guess I've just never lost the remote . I put my keys in the refrigerator the other night {vocalsound} and couldn't find them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I was putting groceries away .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's funny .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You you're taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Can't get in . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can't get in , look all around the kitchen . Definitely in the vegetable drawer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's funny .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I always do that , leaving it in my coat , and then like using a different coat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I guess it's 'cause we don't carry remotes around that much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Can't really take it into the other room .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe with our little robot one we could've had him have a {disfmarker} robot , alien , pear , whatever he is , have a little voice like , I am located {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh a G_P_S_ system , {vocalsound} internal G_P_S_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh man . Here you go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We should make one that walks by itself . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Although if it's sitting still for too long . {vocalsound} Yes I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That really could get up and walk away {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or or like some crazy like electro-magnet , that you push it and it'll go zoom to the T_V_ and stick there . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} Or little {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Or just just a wheel , you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like you'd have a remote for your remote , that'll {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , but if you could attach them to the T_V_ , then you can {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} zoom {disfmarker} Yeah . Hmm . All kinds of possibilities .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay . Sorry , I'm just um trying to update my minutes . I decided to {disfmarker} you know how I sent you the email saying that PowerPoint minutes will be complimentary , rather than like repeating them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just gonna make {disfmarker} I'm making full minutes , so that it'll include all of the agenda and all that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that seems a little more useful .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow . 'Cause you've had like the most typing and organising to do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I didn't have like information to sloth through either , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess {disfmarker} How much of your PowerPoint was already done for you , every meeting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Most of it , mm-hmm . I added slides , um I added a couple slides each time ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but that was about it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah , I didn't even think about adding slides , 'cause I would just get slides with titles on them",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and fill them all in w didn't even think about adding more .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points , but it wouldn't have a slide for each point . And that's the only way I remember that I need to go other that point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah. .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I know personally when I do PowerPoint , that's what I do and so {disfmarker} I had it once , even if it was just like the title of it , like the three presentations , and I would do your three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The slogan on it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , no , definitely not .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No no no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Cause I was like , it could go around the outside . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , I don't think we need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we just need the um the R_R_ ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the R_ and R_ , especially if the yellow and black one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it yellow and blue ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or yellow and blue . Lemme go to the web page .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was just kinda going by the web page , 'cause they didn't give me any clear , like yellow , grey , or {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh I guess it is black , grey . Grey is better than black , doesn't look so bumblebeeish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't really like yellow in general .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hey now I understand the random like newsclippings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Finish meeting now . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wasn't it interesting that um {disfmarker} I thought it was interesting that our market marketing um expert did not agree with the marketing um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the marketing choices ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , like",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I will",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} that was a bit of a conflict .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just feel like if you're really doing like a a really big market evaluation , you wouldn't just have like one set of source ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's kind of an {disfmarker} they were so not backed up , it would just be a sentence {gap} like we did a survey , this is what people said .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S mm , I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People are stupid .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess it i it sort of a grey , isn't it ? Yellow and grey , but then the slogan's in blue .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we got some grey and we got some blue buttons , we're good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well we don't have the right colour clay anyway .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , like {disfmarker} I don't know . {gap} That could always be {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we're not , sadly , going to actually be producing this , so {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If they ever come out with potato {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Potato mango shaped remotes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm gonna have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm claiming it intellectual property .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I can't believe a whole day is gone . I don't feel like it's been that long .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Get sucked in . Mm I haven't gotten questionnaire eight yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
ES2010a
|
Product
|
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"0",
"3"
],
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"7",
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]
],
"topic": "Introduction and the overall agenda"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"12",
"85"
]
],
"topic": "Team building by drawing and discussing favourite animals"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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]
],
"topic": "Proposing first ideas for the design of the remote"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"144",
"150"
]
],
"topic": "Job division and conclusion"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "This is the first of a series of meetings devoted to the design of a remote control, and it aims only at the proposition of general first ideas on the project. Project Manager started off the meeting by introducing the team and their plan for the project. The team got to know each other better by drawing out their favourite animals and justifying their choice. Project Manager then invited everyone to raise ideas about the remote. Their discussion included its multifunctional nature, ergonomic design and battery type, but there was no final decision on these matters. The work was split among the team members, as each took up the task of the working design, the technical functions design, or marketing.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Following the proposal of Project Manager, each of the four team members drew their favourite animals. Marketing drew fish, explaining that he/she liked their water-vascular system, habitat, and normally mild looks. Industrial Designer drew a cat for its independence and decisiveness. User Interface's choice was a badger, alluding to Wind in the Willows and Brian's books. Finally, Project Manager showed his giraffe, and talked about its uniqueness and individuality.",
"query": "Summarize the process of team building and the discussion about animals.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"12",
"85"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "When both Marketing and Industrial Designer had admitted to being allergic to cats, Project Manager attempted to propose a situation where they actually were around one. After this proposal was decisively rejected by User Interface, Project Manager talked about his/her experience with a roommate, proving that one could be used to cats if they were around them for a long time. Yet Marketing and Industrial Designer insisted on the severity of their allergies.",
"query": "What did the team say about being allergic to cats when discussing their favourite animals?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"52",
"63"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The animal User Interface drew was a badger. When Project Manager demanded the reason for this unusual choice, User Interface first answered that it was because badgers were grumpy and nocturnal. Industrial Designer joked about whether this suggested that User Interface had the same characteristics. User Interface then explained that his/her favourable impression of the badger came from books like Wind in the Willow, where badgers were cooler animals than what people generally imagine them to be.",
"query": "In the discussion of favourite animals, what was said about User Interface's choice?",
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[
"66",
"80"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The aspects they mentioned were its compatibility, ergonomics, and the battery type it would use. Since the remote control was expected to be multifunctional, it must be compatible with all kinds of devices. This would also require a detailed instruction booklet for customers. The design of its look and curvature would also matter. Finally, the team agreed to keep the battery problem on hold.",
"query": "Summarize the first ideas they raised for the design of the remote.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"87",
"142"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer perceived that the single remote should be able to control every possible device, and this would be rather difficult to achieve. Industrial Designer thought that VHSs would be phased out shortly, but they should still take it into consideration for the time being. Industrial Designer drew the conclusion that they had to make sure it could cover all the variances in signals.",
"query": "What is Industrial Designer's opinion on dealing with the compatibility of the remote?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"91",
"106"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team first hesitated between double A and triple A batteries. Double A's would be more convenient for customers, since most people usually have this type around. However, triple A batteries would allow the remote to be thinner. Industrial Designer then proposed that they could also try a small lithium battery. With all these possible options, Project Manager decided that they should leave this question aside and move on with the meeting, as long as they kept the battery problem in mind.",
"query": "In the discussion of first ideas on the design, what did they decide on the battery type at the meeting?",
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[
"125",
"142"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "Okay . Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing . Um I'm Mandy and I'm the Project Manager . And I know all your names again , Courtney , Fenella and Amber .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so first let's go through this PowerPoint . I wonder what button I press ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just do it on the {gap} arrow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting . Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions . {vocalsound} We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better . Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles . Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting . Okay , here is our project . We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly . And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um {disfmarker} We're gonna have {disfmarker} discuss the functional design first , {vocalsound} how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has to operate T_V_ , blah blah blah . And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet . Same thing with conceptual design . Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work , meet . That's pretty much the the whole process for today . And then the detailed design , just more in-depth , get the actual schematics of the remote . Okay . Alright . First we're gonna start off by using our tools . And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could {disfmarker} Yeah , we could on here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , let's go forward then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal . Even if you are not a good drawer like me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Artistic skills , nil .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , thanks . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bless you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I draw like I'm in grade five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh do I .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay , about one more minute . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And who would like to start us off ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um this is my picture . I drew fish {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I like fish , because uh , you know , their whole water-vascular system thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's pretty cool , and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes , sometimes vicious but that's okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Only if they're piranhas .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they they're easy , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Who wants to go next ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I drew a kitty . It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat , but I love cats .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No I I see it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , it looks like a cat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I kne I knew .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it does look like a cat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I love cats because they're independent , uh they pretty much know what they want , they get it , they move on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I love cats , too . I'm a cat person .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm allergic to cats .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm allergic to cats , too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you're around one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In my next life .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it , you know ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's weird . Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I still can't sleep with them in my room .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats . It was crazy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , Fenella ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I drew a badger . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Badger . Good choice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Why a badger ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh I dunno , they're grumpy and nocturnal and {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Are you trying to suggest something ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , a little bit like the {disfmarker} Yes . Um . {vocalsound} And then , if you know Wind in the Willows {gap} badger .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian {gap} . He's Liverpudlian writer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {gap} , that kind of books . Badgers are cool in that one too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And I'm last . 'Kay . Look at my sad sad giraffe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , that's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever . I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look . They're just such odd creatures , you know . I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess . I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though . Only seen a couple in zoos .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look . Okay . Alright . Guess we're getting straight back into business here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro . We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia . And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote . Okay . So we're gonna talk for a little while . Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss . Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project . So .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You wanna start us off ? Anybody have anything to offer ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One remote for everything .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And everything being {disfmarker} Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ , V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . I think they'll be phasing V_H_S_ out shortly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , TiVo .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "TiVo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's still there , so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if po if we're gonna do it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They're never universal . That's right . Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_ player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a {disfmarker} I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Something from Sam's club .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand . If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't {disfmarker} Nobody wants to buy those any more . They want the ergonomic ones .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They want like the flashy lights .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh like this came from Las Vegas .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ones that ones that look high-tech , too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But at the same time are simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that people like my mother can use it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just bad ones . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} . {vocalsound} That's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What kinda battery would we want to use ? Because battery changing is usually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "D Double A_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Double A_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do some of them use triple A_s though ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah some use triple A_s .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Some but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So double or triple ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess then it's {disfmarker} If we need to do triple A_ we can , but most people usually have double A_s around .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . But that has to do with the size of it too . Well , w as long as we know that issue is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Here we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if we want it to be more thin , then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Triple A . But",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can you {gap} with a small lithium battery ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and size is important .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hey . Anything else ? Alright . Moving along . Oh , we're closing the meeting . Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes . Here's what we're going to do . Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design . What do you think that means ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things . Okay . And the marketing person , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification . I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for . Right ? I would think so . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while . Okay , so does anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting ? Okay . This meeting is officially over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "This was the functional design meeting, where the team discussed what functions should be included in the remote and how they should be carried out. User Interface gave a presentation on the design of the remote, offering a complex version and a simple one. Marketing followed with a presentation on the functional requirements of the remote, pointing out that the remote should be both high-tech looking and user-friendly, preferably with fewer buttons, a lost-and-found function and speech recognition. Industrial Designer then presented the working design for the remote, including its power source, chips and the component layout. The team then went into a further in-depth discussion, dealing with the specific points raised in the above presentations. After everyone had shared their ideas, Project Manager closed the meeting by distributing new tasks among the team members for them to work on until their next meeting.",
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"answer": "Marketing first shared the results of their lab tests. It was found that users preferred a fancier but yet simpler remote, and as a result, their product should be high-tech looking but also user-friendly. Since the research found that most users would only use ten percent of the buttons, they decided to only keep the most necessary ones on their remote. Users also claimed that remotes tend to be lost easily. Finally, since speech recognition was popular among users, the remote should have this function as well.",
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"answer": "According to the lab tests, users only use ten percent of the buttons on a remote. It was shown that users didn't really need all the buttons provided by current remotes, and it would be more user-friendly if their new remote could lose the unnecessary ones. The most frequently used buttons were those for the channel, the volume and the power on/off.",
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"answer": "One thing they could do was to design a lost-and-found function to accommodate the user's need to retrieve the remote when it was lost. Another way was to give it a modern eye-catching design that could distinguish the new remote from current standard ones. Also, given that speech recognition was an up-and-coming thing among their target group, they could include this function in the remote, allowing users to control their devices by simply speaking to it.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer suggested that the remote could be attached to a charger base, and the lost remote would beep if a button on the base was pushed. This might add to their costs, and would require a rechargeable battery for the remote. Project Manager later proposed that the speech recognition could be part of the lost-and-found device. This would allow the remote to beep when hearing a certain phrase.",
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"content": "Okay . Um welcome to our second meeting . This is the functional design meeting . And I hope you all had a good individual working time . Okay , let's get started . Okay , here's the agenda for the meeting . After the opening um I am going to fulfil the role of secretary , take the meeting minutes . And we're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you . Then we're gonna discuss some new project requirements . Um gonna come to a decision on the functions of the remote control . And then we're gonna close up the meeting . And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes . {gap} Okay . First I want to discuss the goals of this meeting . First we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control . And then we're going to determine the technical functions , what is the effect of the apparatus , what actually is it supposed to do , what do people pick up the remote and use it for . And then lastly we're going to determine its working design , how exactly will it perform its functions , that's the whole technical side of {disfmarker} 'Kay I'll just give you a minute , 'cause it looks like you're making some notes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Oh , well let's go ahead and ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} back , previous .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you , on your research that you just did . Who would like to start us off ? 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't mind going first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um do you have a PowerPoint or no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's in the {disfmarker} should be in the m Project .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know you could you could do it yourself actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did you send it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Save it in the project documents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Put it in Project Documents ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm-mm . This one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um well , the function {vocalsound} of a remote control , as what uh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example , switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine , turn the volume up , etcetera . Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , you know , zero to nine , so you can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , the channel going up and down , volume going up and down , and then mute , a mute function . And then functions for V_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would be for like , you know , the menus . {vocalsound} And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that , all the more complicated functions of menus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we can decide if that's what we want , {gap} , um if we want to include that on the remote , if that's something that would stay on the T_V_ itself , for example .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "These are two examples . Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step , go to , freeze , um slow , repeat , program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example . And then on the right , it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , which is play , rewind , but it's also what is {disfmarker} fast-forward is also like next on a menu . So you have functions that are d uh duplicating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you have a mute button and then the numbers and the eject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , a more complex and more simple version . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ready .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then lastly , it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and how simple , complex it should be ? And what functions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed to complete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it's gonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority on the matter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Left .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Who would like to um follow that one up ? Now , that we've discussed {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I can go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Do you want me to run it or you wanna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you should run it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Functional requirements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Alright . Now we have Courtney with the functional requirements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , okay so we tested a hundred subjects in our lab , and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire , and we found that the {vocalsound} users are not typically happy with current remote controls . Seventy five percent think they're ugly . Eighty percent want {disfmarker} they've {disfmarker} are willing to spend more , which is good news for us um if we make it look fancier , and basically w we just need something that really I mean there's some other points up there , but they {disfmarker} it needs to be snazzy and it {disfmarker} but yet simple .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Wait .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that's really what we need to do . And we need we need it to be simple , yet it needs to be high-tech looking . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And that meaning what ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} They like I guess use the buttons a lot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . It's from my uh research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , what do you m",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "My team wasn't very clear .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Only use ten percent of the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by um the current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user , like they have to press the buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's okay . I I think it's like the engineering versus user ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complex",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and users don't really need all of the buttons that are contained on there , because they only use ten percent of the buttons really .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The buttons . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We only use ten per cent of our brains . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It works .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a necessary evil .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ready for the next slide ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} And so people say that they typically lose it , as you yourself know , because you probably lose your remote control all the time ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "much like any small appliance like a cellphone ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and they {disfmarker} we need something simple , because most people , well thirty four percent say that it's just too much time to learn how to use a new one , and we don't want to go {disfmarker} we don't want to vary too far from the normal standard remote ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I mean they do need to be able to identify it , and R_S_I_ , I'm not very sure what that is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's okay . It's very important . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it is important for the remote control world .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wait , is that like your {disfmarker} ergonomics like your hand movements or something ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Could be , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh possibly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do we really need t to provide more information on what R_S_I_ is ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , that's what my web site said , I",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Channel , volume , power .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a pretty good guess though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I would assume so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like if you're holding it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we're supposed to know it as remote control experts .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But also s so the channel , the volume and the power buttons are the most important on our company website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used , but those are the definitely the top ones .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Next slide ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . And so personally I think that we need a modern eye-catching design , but it it really needs to be simple . So saying from y your slide , your presentation , the engineering versus the user-specified remotes , I think that we should go with something that's more user-friendly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "User-friendly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where the engineering ones , the boxes , tend to make it look more complicated than it really is . Um the functionality of the product really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it . And it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers , so even though we need a small number of buttons , we also need to take in {disfmarker} like are most people going to be using it for a D_V_D_ player , a TiVo , what what exactly are we using it for , as well as the age range . So we need a hip , but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And also we found {disfmarker} our team found that speech recognition is {disfmarker} it's like an up-and-coming thing they really {disfmarker} consumers are really interested in it , and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be more high-class we could consider it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so just to {disfmarker} just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say , channel five , and the thing would go to channel five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} to just say , where are you , and thing beeps , you know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , that'd be lovely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess we can interpret it like , we can just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote programme .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Didn't they {disfmarker} um didn't our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the T_V_ and it would {disfmarker} the remote would beep so if you have lost it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's kinda like what the remote phone used to do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Oh , yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know like go to the base .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could definitely include that if we wanted to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If it's within our price . Okay . Are we ready for our last presentation , Amber ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'm just trying to move it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . I think it should be there , working design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Working design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Uh I didn't get a chance to complete this one , 'cause some of the tools that I was given were frustrating .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh my bad . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay , so method method of our design , I think I just start listing th some of the things that we actually need to put into this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Help me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We need a power source , we're gonna need a smart chip if we're gonna make it multi-functional . Um extra functions will probably need an additional chip . Either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What exactly is a smart chip ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Usually a smart chip is just a chip that's been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , how much extra would the additional chip be ? Is that gonna push us over our production costs ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't think so , 'cause we could probably get it from like , in bulk , from a a newer company . And they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yep , nothing here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um power source , I figured , batteries , 'cause they're easily available . Typically a remote has either two double A_s or four triple A_s , sometimes three . Uh it really kinda depends on the size of the actual remote itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um a large on-off button , {vocalsound} demographically we're moving towards an older generation of people , so a large on-off button would probably be good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Selection button for various entertainment devices , so you want something that will permit you to select the D_V_D_ player or the T_V_ or the stereo system . Um smart chip that perverts {disfmarker} uh that permits , sorry , universal application again , something that'll allow us to skip over between devices , and that's kinda it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh this is my fifty second design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Power source over here . We're gonna have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it , and you're gonna need the switch . Um extra bulb could just be for flashiness , um subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the the device . Um the chip and of course the infra-red bulb , so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So what exactly we are looking at , is this like the front of the remote ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is just like a rough schematic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this would be the front ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So this is the internal workings .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the red would be the front of the remote though , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's gonna be what's communicating with the T_V_ , but the other bulb , I think , is good to just to indicate , I'm doing something , it's sort of like a reassurance .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The l {vocalsound} the light up kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so you don't have to stare at that infra-red ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like that we know the battery's working .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause you know when the battery starts dying in your remote currently , you have to actually stare at that bulb and go , okay , when I push this button , is it working ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . It'd probably be lighting up the key too ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We can skip that whole thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you can put it in the dark . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and that's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We should make it glow in the dark . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , definitely . 'Kay nex R Ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , any p 'Kay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anything you wanna add for personal preferences though , you f you said already that we needed a large on-off button , you think . Anything else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that that's a good idea , because you know that's one of the most important buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , should it be larger buttons in general , you know like uh the examples that I had , they were swi quite small . So should we try and go for something that has l larger buttons ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we should . Like I think that would be in a as in {disfmarker} like in {disfmarker} for the design , sorry , um . I think we should definitely go with buttons that don't look like a normal remote , 'cause most remotes have small square buttons ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ovals . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay , let's talk about all of our {disfmarker} We'll come to decision later about all the components that we need to include , let's um wrap up this one , and {vocalsound} I'm gonna go back to my PowerPoint , 'cause we need to discuss the new project requirements which you might've already seen flashed up on the screen a bit earlier . {vocalsound} Wait , come back . Alright . Sorry , let's go through this . Alright . Here we go . New product requirements . First it's only going to be a T_V_ remote . We're trying not to over-complicate things . So no D_V_D_ , no TiVo , no stereo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not gonna be multi-functional .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hey . And we th need to promote our company more , so we need to somehow include our colour and our company slogan on the remote . We're trying to get our name out there in the world . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you know what teletext is ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} in States we don't have it , but um it's like they just have this channel where just has news and weather , kind of sports ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's very um bland looking , it's just text on the screen ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "not even {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's like black , black and white kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just black with just text .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like running along the bottom ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can also get the kind of the T_V_ guide so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It'll give you the sports .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wait , is it like the Weather Channel where it's got like the ticker running on the bottom or something ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Kind of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Except the entire screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's the whole screen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's the entire screen is just running information at random .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So anyway {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can pick sports , you can pick the news , you entertainment ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seemingly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know it's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's like a separate channel from like what you're watching ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . But it's becoming out-dated now , because of the Internet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nobody needs to go to the teletext channel to check the news , {vocalsound} and we have twenty four hour news channels now too , so {disfmarker} Those are our new product requirements . Alright . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , do we have to include the company colour within that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . It's part of the logo . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Company colour being yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What we're going to do right now is come to some decisions , definitive that we can all agree on , about um the target group and the functions and just definite things that we need to do and then we'll close up the meeting . So . Alright . {gap} Whatever . Okay . So our target group is {disfmarker} You mentioned um older people ? Would it just be universal for everyone , you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because I think even if something has large buttons , as long as they are not childishly large , like even technically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's gonna make it nicer . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "non-technically challenged people are gonna use it . I mean they want something user-friendly , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm well , even if we kept the regular standard size of remote , if we reduced the buttons down to the ones that people are saying that they use the most often and a couple extra ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause they're saying they only use ten per cent of them ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then we should be able to accommodate fairly decent sized buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we want um for our target group would we say , I mean , young and old , all age ranges , all um , not kids obviously , right ? Or kids ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , kids need to know how to use a remote , I would think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Most of them will intuitively pick it up though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They gotta change between Disney Channel , Cartoon Network .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we're going to go anywhere from kids to adult in the age range {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think we need it all .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um what about technic technical um specifications , like how how technically literate are these people who are going to be using our remote ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I would say we should say dumber than the average person .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We should go for the lowest denominator .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay . So so they need no technical experience to operate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "High school educated .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} how 'bout little to no , because there is no way that you are gonna be able to make it no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And we also need to determine the specific functions of this , just to get it all out on paper . So we said it needs to send messages to the T_V_ , needs to change the channel , turn on and off , just basic simple stuff like this . So if you have something just say it and we'll add it to my meeting minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it's channel , on-off button , volume , mute .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , volume .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And channel . Yeah . Those are the most important ones .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . And we wanna keep um {disfmarker} I'll make a note here that we wanna keep the number of buttons down . Correct , because people only use ten percent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Hey , what else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we want this thing to be able to be found easily ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think so . What do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A finding kind of device or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I need {disfmarker} we we need a like homing device .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , ho homing device . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like if this is gonna get lost underneath the coach , how are we going to accommodate the quick ability to find it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right yeah okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Tracking .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because people really are looking for a remote that's more high-tech .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What if we gave it a charger ? And on the charger , just like a phone , like you get a portable phone and it's got a charger , and if you d leave your phone somewhere , you push the button to find it , and it finds th the phone beeps for you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you got a base .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think people'll really go for that though ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's useful for the remote phone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Would that add to our costs at all , I wonder ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would think so , because you'd have to develop a base .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you have the base , you could start putting in a charger and then you have a different kind of battery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Rechargeable batteries are cheaper usually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I I think we can make a decision about that later . Uh we'll still put that as a point that we need to discuss . So that would include battery source {disfmarker} Power source rather . Is it going to have a charger , or is it going to be run strictly off batteries ? And we also need to deal with the issue you mentioned of speech recognition , if we want that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , then we could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do w",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we have the speech recognition then we can start aiming at a like another kind of more handicapped disabled uh demo demographic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , th there's the people who desire speech recognition , there's the different demog demographics have different desires , I don't know if you guys ge",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You could um {disfmarker} we could hook it up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't copy onto the the thing 'cause it's black ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but all the different age groups have different desires for speech recognition . So {vocalsound} basically older people don't really care .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
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"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's really the people twenty five to thirty five . I feel those are the people that really watch a lot of T_V_ though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're the ones that get addicted to soap operas and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And if and if we introduced it when they're this age , they're going to probably always buy a remote that has {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "just sitcoms and stuff . Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , then then do you put the voice recognition {disfmarker} do you put the r like receiver on the actual television , in the base , or in the actual remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause then you've already got remote in your hand , why you just gonna speak to the remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "whereas if you just speak in general and you don't have to have the remote in your hand and like talk at it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} and the speech recognition could be part of the lost and found device , too . If we said , find remote , locate remote , or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A certain phrase then it could beep . I dunno . Just throwing it out there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Still {gap} fifteen minutes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , anything else we wanna discuss ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , do we wanna include the numbers like zero through nine ? Can we conceive of leaving them out ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wait , on the remote itself ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like you have one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine , zero .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How how ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , we definitely need those .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah , how would you leave those out ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , I don't know , I mean , if you can {gap} like well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Unless you could say the channel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , if there's just a way of leaving them out ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think people would find that too foreign .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And also remember that in this day in age we need , you know , like a hundred button , too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You definitely need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I used to have a remote that did not even go up past like fifty . {vocalsound} So I couldn't {disfmarker} whenever I got cable , I had to get a new T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's when we get satellite .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap} get your own remote , or digital cable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Um . I guess , we're gonna discuss the project financing later , making sure that we can fit all of the stuff that we want to on our budget . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause I don't have any material pricing information available to me at the moment , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . And don't forget we need to include the colour of our company and the logo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The colour being yellow ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wait .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm guessing . And the R_R_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And how do we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I feel like a ye I feel like a yellow one would be too garish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "R_ the double R_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could just have the logo in yellow ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can't make it entirely {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or maybe a yellow light for the keys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or is the l",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or put like stripes , oh yeah , yellow lights .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {vocalsound} yellow could be and it could {disfmarker} doesn't have to be huge .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well if you have like a {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hang on . If you have this sort of strip kind of down at the bottom {gap} the base of it , just like yellow with the R_R_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . So we've simplified , we don't need all those um play , fast-forward , rewind ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or no menu buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we've pretty much pared it down to on-off , volume , mute , channel up and down , um the numbers {disfmarker} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um can we go back to {disfmarker} I'm gonna look really quickly back at those",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two examples .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "examples and see if there is anything .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which one is yours , technical functions or functional requirement ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it's a {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , audi audio settings and screen settings , we need those like audio settings mono , stereo , pitch , screen settings like brightness , colour , or do we just want that accessed accessed from the television itself ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The T_V_ . I think that that's fine just for the T_V_ . I mean how often does the average user need to do that kind of stuff ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other option is sort of like down at the bottom , like farther away , you just have this sort of box inset where it's like the buttons that you don't use as much , but occasionally you will use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and so it's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause we need to {disfmarker} we definitely need to have buttons for like sub-titles and things like that . It's 'cause the foreign film market is expanding and stuff , and like on television like I know f k living in Los Angeles it's tons of Spanish network television if it has English sub-titles it's definitely helpful .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Couldn't we do that all through one button , something , a menu button , that pops up with a menu on the T_V_ that says , you know , audio , video , whatever , language ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} well , I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we need up , down , and side-to-side buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For the menus .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that could be {disfmarker} No you could just double up with like the channel or the volume buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Channel is just up and down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay . Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then add a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Something that looks mayb you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Such as , yeah , the one the one over there on the left the engineering centred one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Y right , right right right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we just have it like {disfmarker} add a menu button then for the various things needed ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "including v voice recognition if we have any like settings for voice recognition now",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In the middle perhaps .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "included in the menu .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , I just got an idea for a design .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} good . Anybody have anything else they'd like to bring up in this meeting ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I had something , but I forgot .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {gap} get out of here . Let's go back to the meeting closure then and see what we need to do next . Mm . Alright . After this meeting we're gonna be sent a questionnaire and summary again which we need to reply to that e-mail . And then we're gonna have lunch break . And after lunch thirty minutes of individual work time . Um I'm gonna put the minutes {disfmarker} I put the minutes for the first meeting already in the project documents folder , if you'd like to review them . And I'm gonna type up the minutes for this one as well . Um here's what we're each going to do . The I_D_ is going to work on the components concept , um U_I_D_ the user interface concept , and you're going to do some trend watching . 'Kay . Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . And if anybody has anything they would like to add ? No ? Okay , well , this meeting is officially over . Thank you all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
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"answer": "This was the conceptual design meeting for the remote. The first presentation was given by Marketing on trend watching. Marketing pointed out that customers wanted the remote to be technologically innovative and yet simple to use, and that the current fashion trend was fruits and vegetable patterns. Clearly labelled large buttons with the company logo and colour scheme were also preferred. User Interface followed with the presentation on interface concepts, proposing to have a scroll-down design and a distinctly recognizable demographic for specific buttons. Industrial Designer's presentation on component design provided information for the material needed for the remote, and certain restrictions coming with different options. After User Interface's additional thoughts on voice recognition, the team discussed designs of the energy source, the material, and the user interface concept, deciding on latex covers, the gun-metal grey colour, and blue and yellow touch buttons.",
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"answer": "User Interface pointed out that if the remote was small, it would not go well with a base. The team then decided on a single smaller remote instead of a bigger one with a base, and a locating device would sufficiently prevent the remote from being lost. In terms of the battery, Industrial Designer suggested one small lithium battery instead of double A's or triple A's. An initial lithium battery could be sold with the remote, while subsequent replacements would be bought separately. With this suggestion in mind, the team decided to come back to it in the next meeting.",
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"answer": "It was first suggested by User Interface that a charging base would not go well with a small remote. The team agreed on this, and Project Manager reminded them the remote was not going to be a huge one. User Interface worried that a small remote without a base could be more easily lost, but Marketing reassured the team that this wouldn't be a problem if the remote had a locating device. Each team member then gave his/her opinion on the issue, all preferring a smaller remote without a base.",
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{
"content": "Okay . Hi Team . Hope you had a good lunch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay we're back for the conceptual design meeting . Um let's get started . 'Kay , here is the agenda for today's meeting . Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep the minutes as Project Manager . We're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you again . And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we're gonna close it up . And we have forty minutes again . 'Kay , and just to reiterate um after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control . Okay . Let's go ahead and start off with your presentations . Who would like to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just trying to move mine right now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um Courtney would you mind starting us off ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Trend watching ? 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , so trend watching . Uh since we do put the fashion in electronics , it is kind of important how our product looks . So I guess we can go ahead and go to the next . So what they want . Right now customers want fancy versus functional . Um basically about fifty eight percent of what they {disfmarker} like of the product that they want , describing like the {disfmarker} in order of how much they want , fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like , fancy versus functional , and then it has to also be technologically innovative , and yet easy to use . So the customer basically is confused . They don't know exactly what they want . They want us to tell them . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They want everything , but simply .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can go to next .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing , shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I don't know if we want to go with that um and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year . I don't know really , I mean I guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff , you'd want like a softer touch . I mean do you guys know what I mean .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah th",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um . But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns , I don't know if we really want to go with that , because it is just a trend ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . People don't buy a new remote every so often .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker} Yeah . I mean that could just be a Spring thing right now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I can address some of that issue , I think , with uh my presentation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Awesome .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so design preferences , um we need easy to read like large buttons , clearly labelled so that , I mean 'cause we talked about that being a problem . Um and then also buttons illuminating upon touch , you said that in your design , with the bulb . Um and that could also tie in with the colour scheme . Uh we need the Real Reaction logo and colour scheme obviously . That's one of our key goals , we wanna promote our product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I was thinking about different types of designs and I came up with something . Actually right here . So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this , where we put the buttons around , like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle , I mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down , and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape . 'Cause then it'll appeal to older generation and like said retro's cool . So it's classically retro .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I mean that's just an idea if you guys like it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very good . I like it . {vocalsound} Okay , ready for the next slide ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And , yep . And that's it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Op mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great . Great presentation . Ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay hang on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See if it's there . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which one is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know . Hang on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Interface concepts , no ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Interface concepts new .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Either refresh it , or it sh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Y",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh wait , maybe I didn't put it there . Hang on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mine will always read copy of something or other .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I copied mine before I sent it over .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , hang on . Don't know {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {vocalsound} looking at the interface concept , it's gonna be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this . Uh if you wanna start the next slide .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um uh can't really see , but there's two possible ways , on the r left , if you see on th on the sides of of the remote , you have the sort of scroll down , so you have that option right there . And then also there's the idea of the base . That's sort of like an idea there . And then on the right , we have what's really big trend right now , it's the iPod . It's becoming really {gap} and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section uh with the round buttons , and it's sort of like you have the both {gap} kind of trendy and hip , but also very sleek and um and very simple , but technologically advanced . So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like {vocalsound} using that idea in a remote control then sort of look into it , but {disfmarker} Anyway , next .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um there's the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by um by sight . You'd you know you're in the dark , you don't wanna be looking at the remote control . And the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V_ , and so yo you're kind of feeling a V_ like volume up . What it really is is a V_ and what it you think it is is down , because the down arrow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that o the other way up . Um but then you have {disfmarker} you could either do it by raised type , which could be you know , iffy , um sort of old-fashioned in a way .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Either that or just have it by shape , for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at the up and down arrow . And then the round ones you sort of feel by , you know , that's the second one down , that sort of thing . So it's sort of looking into how we wanted t to do it by feel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic . Um this is particularly geared towards children .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's cute .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um it's very cute , and we could probably change it to yellow , bright yellow for like a the for the company logo . Um and you have the shapes and it's very simplistic and friendly looking . Um and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain {disfmarker} {vocalsound} channels that only these children would watch , so it's like they ch watch , you know , the C_ Beebies or something like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh keep them away from other channels . So that's like another ar Um ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , these are three examples sort of looking at it . You have the wider section for the main controls there . Uh you could see how many buttons there are . And then on the left you have an example of the round buttons , and a simpler design . On the bottom we probably wouldn't need that , because it's more for like a D_V_D_ {vocalsound} function which we are not gonna be using . Um . So again it's sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the R_R_ , Real Reaction .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then finally these are like the sort of same examples , but also some more , just possibilities that we could go with . None of them I'm particularly keen on by the way . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} But it's sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying , well out of this one we like , you know the round section of um , b or we'd like the the button size on this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Or I like , you know , the black finish or the silver finish or whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I have four of those remotes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good lord .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Ready ? Oh , yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great job .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , my turn .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whoo .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's the title ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It'll be copy of component design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Got it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Th that looks like it . 'Kay . So basic remote operation runs as follows , press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit , chip senses the connection , chip produces a morse code infra-red signal , specific to that button . So you press the button , it produces uh a signal that's encoded specifically for that button . Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the T_V_'s centre , which interprets the signal response accordingly , changes channel etcetera . So that being said {disfmarker} Next slide , please . Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction , so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed , we need rubber for buttons , aluminium for battery y contacts , integrated circuit which consists of a diode , transistor , resonator , resistors , and a capacitator , all those basic things that make a circuit function . Um fibreglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself . An L_E_D_ , which is a light emitting diode , um contact discs for the buttons , plastic for the casing , and a power-source , whatever power-source we've actually determined we want . Next slide , please . Thank you . Uh personal preferences , uh to save money for the components , the remote should be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse . Um if we find another company who can produce the required chips , casing , L_E_D_ , any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing , we should go for it . {vocalsound} Next slide , please . Um just talking to the um manufacturing division . They suggested power options , solar cells , hand dynamo , and kinetic power , so you shake it and it increases the power . Um I'm not sure how the hand dynamo works , they have yet to get back to me on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So next slide , please .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Interesting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Suggested casing options . Okay . We can offer options for casing such as straight , curved , double-curved , you know , very specific to the customer . Options for materials , plastic , rubber , titanium , wood .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think anyone's gonna go for a wood one , because splinters {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That would be amazing , though , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , splinters would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um certain restrictions do apply here though . Uh latex , you can't do solar power with a latex one . So , if they want some a soft squishy rubber , they can't have the solar powered option . Double-curved , you can't do titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What is that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um that would be two curvatures , so it would actually , if you {disfmarker} the shape of your hand , you curve here and you curve here , so you could have two curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now if you wanted that , you can't do titanium . And uh so you {gap} functions what {disfmarker} for the buttons , scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think I have one more slide .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I didn't . Um the manufacturing division also has said that um {vocalsound} they have several types of chips and they've just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip , which we could utilise . Um push button requires a simple chip and scroll requires more complicated chip . So depends on what we decide we wanna do . In addition to that if we're offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote , we're going to have to have multiples of each type , like a double-curved in rubber , um you know , each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options . So we'll have to mix it up , make sure we produce enough of everyone . But that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced five thousand , you know , double-curved wooden remotes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's all I got .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "well thank you for those informative presentations . Let's go back to um {disfmarker} Now we have to make some decisions . Where were we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let me just add one more thing that I couldn't say before ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that's just that there's the new technology that they've developed on the voice recognition . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh this {disfmarker} the thing we were talking about earlier .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right except that it's sort of odd , and I'm no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are , um there's a sample sensor and there's a sample speaker unit for {disfmarker} So , you would say like , good morning , coffeemaker , and it would respond , good morning , Jill ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna work , 'cause do you programme {disfmarker} do we program the responses and the questions . So does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question , and can't change it in order for it to be recognised ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or can it be altered in a certain way , or does the actually user program it , to say a channel means this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like using the menu to be like , enter your name into the screen like on the menu options .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that way the remote reads it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it's got like a limited memory and {gap} programme it . So it's sort of iffy ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but that's kind of what you'd say .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I feel like voice recognition would be , I don't know , w it would be too hard to really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Programme .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean we could do it , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If it's within our price to get that kind of chip that would , you know , technology {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , we are making the chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Technology .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean {disfmarker} But , I guess , we have to look at w what {vocalsound} our production cost is for the chip itself anyway .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it is a growing trend , the higher technological , like",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the , I mean just like the more advanced it is ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the better it'll sell .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I thought {vocalsound} offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different , you know {disfmarker} I think we'd have to decide on the power options , maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that we could reduce cost .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause we need to know how big it's gonna be and how heavy . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that kind of brings us to this , let's let's see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have first and foremost . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do we wanna go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh the base , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The base , the charging base with rechargeable batteries ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the p",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I always feel like first I wanna know what it looks like , before {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause if it's something really really small , then it's sort of harder to imagine a base for it , that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and we don't have multiple things that it has to control , it just has to control the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not gonna be a huge universal remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We need to decide , well so we can figure how big it's gonna be , like exactly what buttons we want",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What size battery and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other thing is like even if it's got a few buttons , so we want it to be bigger than this ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and exactly {disfmarker} It could be like this . Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause it still fits in your hand , so you still wanted something that's comfortable and substantial , but not necessarily full of buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd , well uh {disfmarker} This one is really comfortable , like I like the sides whatever ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are you gonna lose it easier ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker} But if we have the um , the locator , then we don't have to worry about that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can make it small if we have a l locating device .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If we do a voice-activated locator , though , we're gonna be looking at a more substantial chip . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So i That's the other thing ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's like {disfmarker} You know {gap} Are we gonna have certain chips that are gonna require bigger size {vocalsound} period ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two double A_s , for this size .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But like , you know , if we get more complicated then it's gonna v be {disfmarker} have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Honestly , I think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small , compact {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . I agree , it's either gonna be bigger with a base or smaller with just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we sh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Smaller , without {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A battery like this guy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so what direction do you want to go in ? You wanna vote ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think if we had a a locating device with the small one , I think that seems way more advanced .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm kind of I'm kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm a away from the base .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "bigger and the base .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That just seems so clunky and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because I mean if even looking at cellphones right now , those trends the smaller the hotter it is ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Smaller and smaller , yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You're kidding .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You know it happens .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I've had three watches go that way too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh watches I've {disfmarker} but I've never washed a cell phone . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ouch . A phone , whoa , that would {disfmarker} wow , that would hurt .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so what kind of material do we want to be made out of ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Pieces everywhere . Well , we have lots of options . I don't think wood is a viable option .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah wood .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Oh what did you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , titanium s",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was saying that titanium , if we're being restricted then I would probably {vocalsound} lean away from that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause if it's gonna cost us more to produce a chip , titanium will be more expensive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "However ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What would you recommend ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well , we only wanna sell it for twenty five Euro",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right ? 'Cause I was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That'll {disfmarker} Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "make them a rarity so to speak .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The selling point , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could do that , because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are we restricted by this ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now.I'm",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well the original {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twenty five Euros",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "not sure that we'll have the time and money to {vocalsound} produce a whole array of",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "remotes . If this was a successful remote , we might then produce a higher end version of it , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good plan .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Good plan .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we wanna go for plastic , or what would you recommend for materials ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Honestly I'd recommend like um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh since we're going with batteries instead of solar power , I'd recommend maybe a uh soft like latex ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because we could produce , you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We could do uh one that fits in with the trends of the year so ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because this year is all fruit , God only knows why ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , who knows .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you're talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it's all gonna be cherry-coloured or is it gonna be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "O or we could like take off this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They could buy cases , maybe ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They could come back . And buy the extra case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if they wanted .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's good to sell a basic thing and then sell options .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we could do like a b a hard base plastic , and then we could {vocalsound} give two latex covers to start .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} what the top face , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because the soft latex definitely is squishy . That's in . Well I mean squishier than like , yeah , just a hard plastic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . Okay , and what kind of chip would we need for this guy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How complicated {disfmarker} Are we gonna go with the voice activated {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think we should do voice , I think we should just do um the recognition for when it's lost , you know . {gap} could we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A tracker , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that uh {disfmarker} what it type of , yeah , for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because people could just be talking and we don't want it going off all the time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , we could give it a specific code , you know , remote missing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker} Ooh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh see I'm uh I'm strangely attracted to it , because I know that's {disfmarker} it's definitely gonna be big , because it's , I don't know , it's just so high-tech .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , my little sister got {disfmarker} for Christmas she got one of those key finders that's like a key-ring , and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , see that would just irritate me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse , and you couldn't turn it off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh dear .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it became highly irritating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "then maybe voice",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think having a key-phrase is much better .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "maybe voice activation won't be good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright . But it's not gonna be voice activated in the fact that you would say , channel up , and it would work , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , n n no , we just want it to be a finder .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But then it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But do {disfmarker} can your {disfmarker} can the department make {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would be like a mid-class um {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , brilliant then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we don't actually have to go for {disfmarker} Well , if they've just developed the sample sensor , sample speaker , it's a brand new chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Why not introduce it in this way ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh and what size batteries , double A_ , triple A_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think triple A_ , it'll be lighter .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two ? Could it run off of two {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean more more come in a package .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , that depends on what the energy is needed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think , well , we could d r do two or we could do one small lithium , 'cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products , right ? So they're more widely available now . And they also have a longer battery life than most batteries .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They're more expensive though , too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if you only have to replace it every five years .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Thoughts anybody ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "As long as we sell it with it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , how about a initial , you get one battery when you buy it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , that's what I meant .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause I'm pretty sure we can get them pretty cheap on bulk .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could think about it and come back to it next meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We still have one more meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we've covered that first category , User Interface Concept , meaning design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's it gonna {disfmarker} Yeah , what's it gonna look like .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I ki I kind of {vocalsound} like your idea about the retro phone dial ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and that {disfmarker} the central button could have , maybe our logo on it ? It might be the four way scroll , too . I mean if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it could be whatever ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "as long as there's something big in the middle , because like the old phones , there's like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , my issue with that is if it got too big though , 'cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle , then is it gonna get wider than your your hands are ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because w And then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which I think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand-shape like if we put the the scroll-button on the side ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see what you mean .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that could be particularly useful .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I like that . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we definitely {disfmarker} If we have scroll things on the side , we definitely have to have 'em labelled .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , if it's just up and down {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like on the side of it . Oh if it's just up and down .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But is that for {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Volume or channel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , you could do some on both sides .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do we have both sides ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah . We should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that you're just not holding it and it changes the chan",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause oth {vocalsound} otherwise you're not just holding it and going like this , you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's squishy . That's squishy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} have buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . 'Kay any other ideas ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um what colour ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Latex covers . W",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on , so we'll have to like have a little square or something , so that the our logo's available .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the R_R_ like that . And that's at the bottom of it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though , because if people are able to change the covers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Which button ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , maybe the on-off button , something , some {disfmarker} the menu button , I don't know , but you know if we're gonna put our company logo on there and somebody could just get another one . Are they all gonna have our company logo on them ? Every cover ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't think we should do that , because that would just be icky .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If we want it to be visible and {disfmarker} Um are all those {disfmarker} those one that you showed where they were um s met silver-metallic looking ? But those are plastic , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They're not titanium .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I kind of like that look . Uh but , or if it was really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For our base one ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for the base or if we're going for the retro look , I think , like a really shiny black would be cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What are your thoughts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or like a gun-metal grey ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Gun-metal gray .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause then it combines the silver and the black .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There you go , gun-metal gray .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'm just really wary of the putting anything on a button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Why ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It'll wear off . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's the button {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , buttons wear off .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , w w then what's the button do , and how do you know that that is what the button does ? I guess . Just looking at examples , y you just don't ever see the logo on a button , it's always on the actual casing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There's nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On the back ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But you don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we want it to be seen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It d visible {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But uh , yeah , you don't see it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Visibility though {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We need it to be seen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause if it was only on the back really the only time you're gonna see it is when you drop it or when you're changing the battery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , hang on . The other option is {vocalsound} , I don't know if you can see it but it's like if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I can find it again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's like the second to last slide .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And yours was called Interface Concept ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Interface , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , for some reason I can't get it to just go to that slide directly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , it's the very right one . You see at the bottom , it's kind of difficult to see , but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like , where the logo is , and if we have the replaceable section , it's like the top . It doesn't necessarily replace the entire top .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If c you envisioning it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so that stays the same when you have the logo , and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that's the bit that changes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The only problem is we're using a latex overlay so {gap} it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like a little cut-out kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's like , you know , {gap} a a cellphone it's like the the screen is always just left opened .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so , what we are gonna do it like bright yellow with the R_R_ ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anybody see anything that they liked in these ones ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Some of tho Well , some of those buttons though are blue-based .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um well , a lot of those buttons are blue-based .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , kind of . Um and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact , they could illuminate yellow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yellow , I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like if we {vocalsound} like the one all the way on the left , uh you ca you can see it on your computer better .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um where the button is actually blue , but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we'd have blue and yellow for the touch buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , that one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like the yellow illumination idea , very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Any other ideas or thoughts ? We all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we wanna do with this project so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Ha hang on {gap} {vocalsound} Let me catch up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did we finalise what buttons we're including or we {gap} just everything that we said before ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think there will be time for that later . I'm guessing . 'Kay , well we're gonna wrap this up . Um next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes , and here's what we're each of us going to do . The I_D_ is going to do the look and feel design , the U_I_D_ the user interface design . I think you're going to get a lot of , I mean , the final say on what buttons get put {disfmarker} We'll all talk about it , but I think , that's pretty much what you're gonna do , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess . 'Kay . And you're gonna do some product evaluation . Okay , and right now , the I_D_ and U_I_D_ , you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great . Play Doh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fun . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and you should all be getting an email pretty soon . Alright . Well , thank you for a very productive meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wonderful Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
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"answer": "This was the last meeting on the remote project. Industrial Designer and User Interface first gave the prototype presentation with a model remote they made based on previous team decisions, showing the design of colours, buttons, and shapes. Marketing then led the discussion on the evaluation criteria of their product, after which the team evaluated the remote in various aspects. As for finance, the team calculated the costs of each component of the remote, finding the total cost under their budget and thus allowing the remote to go into production. Finally, the team talked about their experience in the project process, digressing into a casual discussion on computers, cell phones, and ideas for commercials. The team members thanked each other for their effort.",
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"answer": "Marketing first presented the evaluation criteria, including whether the remote was easy to use, whether it was fashionable, whether it feels good physically, and some other aspects. Using a seven-point scale from true to false, the team rated the remote on these aspects. All agreed to give 2 points for the remote being easy to use. With slight variations, the average point for it being fashionable is 2.5. The average is 2 for it feeling good physically, and 3.5 for it being technologically innovative. Finally, the team also agreed on it being trendy and capable with a score around 2.",
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"answer": "On a 7-point scale from true to false, Project Manager first rated the remote at 1 point for it being undoubtedly fashionable. Yet Industrial Designer immediately objected to this. After Marketing seconded Project Manager's evaluation, Industrial Designer hesitatingly gave it a 2, saying it's not fashionable enough at the moment. When Marketing and Project Manager defended their views by pointing out it's only a prototype they're seeing, Industrial Designer insisted on his objection and rerated it at 3 or 4. This disagreement finally presented the average rating of 2 for the remote on the fashion criterion.",
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"answer": "Marketing first wanted to check whether the remote was going to have the phrase recognition function. This function was not reflected on the model they were seeing, but User Interface and Industrial Designer confirmed that it could be realized with a special chip. Marketing thus decided that the remote was technologically innovative enough. Since the remote was only designed for TVs, it was rated 3 by Marketing, 3 or 4 by Project Manager, and 4 by User Interface. With an average of 3.5, they agreed that the remote had reasonable technological innovation and was sufficient for their project.",
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{
"content": "I wanna find our if our remote works .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Me too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um here's the agenda for our last meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoohoo .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started . Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you ready ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um sure . You or me ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll be the Vanna .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic . Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red . Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top . Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's nice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it {disfmarker} just that one button will light up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and then at the bottom we have our logo . Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_ {vocalsound} which will actually look like our logo .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then on the side you have the buttons . {vocalsound} They're one button , but they kind of push up and down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think they're scrolling .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No . They're just buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , yeah . And then {disfmarker} yeah , the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know , {gap} can't see underneath .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock {gap} you know , stick your finger in . Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thumb-shaped .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd say a single .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Single . Single sounds good ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Single .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great . Great . I think you did an awesome job .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think it's a beautiful {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good job , you guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good job .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoohoo .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh thank you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Those are really good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "what's next in our agenda ? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation . I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about . It's under evaluation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable uh {disfmarker} yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Feel good meaning what ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like does it feel good , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Physically ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , physically .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sqi {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} That's just for current trend .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't really count , you guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it's {disfmarker} so we do have removable covers , right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well then that's covered .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so we n k everybody have that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll wait .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , she's got it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's good . Yeah . Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we going to indi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "True or false , easy to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I say we individually rate {disfmarker} what do you say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You guys {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just orally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Why not ? We have {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um easy to use . I vote six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh wait , that's false .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say two as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two . That's what I say .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh hello , we're great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , fashionable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At the moment , no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . I mean like no , I think it's very fashionable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Me too , very chic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thi I would give it a one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One , I give it a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , and ma it's a prototype ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's that's just like {disfmarker} that's a clay , it's a prototype .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm I don't think it's that fashionable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd give it like three or four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , now I'm {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , the average is about a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But then I'm not fashionable , so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two or three . Two point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "don't use my opinion .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Neither are all o all the customers we have , either .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "does it feel good ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Imagine , since we obviously don't have that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does it feel good ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I feel like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh the shape of it actually does uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it's i it is very ergonomically designed . It's gonna be curved .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's gonna be thicker .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Depth .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it feels good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think so too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll give it a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'll give it a one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you say ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say a two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , average is two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it technologically innovative ? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , it's fine ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Go right ahead . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you're {disfmarker} I mean you're Project Manager .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I mean and it {disfmarker} does it have voice {disfmarker} I mean the phrase recognition on it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could do it with the chip , yes . It wasn't {disfmarker} we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And there's no way you can represent it on here . Y",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but that's because it's only two dimensions , really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker} 'kay . And we discussed that being included .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then yes , then I would {disfmarker} well it isn't {disfmarker} what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we don' have the {disfmarker} you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so I'd probably give it a three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Even though it is {disfmarker} for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced . But it is just a T_V_ remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'd go for a three or four on that one , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I go four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay , let's go for a three point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three and an half .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and the last criteria {disfmarker} is it is it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Squishy and fruity .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well yeah , so I'd give it a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , we've covered that with the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just trendy , basically .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "trendy . Sure . Capable . Very capable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's capable of being squishy and fruity .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} it's very important . 'Kay , there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , next .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Next . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and uh hopefully we'll sell millions . Good job , team . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} How did you get that in there ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} What ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The {vocalsound} slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It does .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It {vocalsound} it does . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That was good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , let's go back to this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No , that's it . Hmm . Oops . Okay , so now uh we're moving on to finance , okay . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro . If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit . 'Kay ? So let me bring that up . Here we go . Alright . Um it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Number of components you plan to use . Do I just put quantity being one battery , or {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if it's a {disfmarker} do you wanna go for {disfmarker} this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery . Oh , let's just go for a lithium . What do you say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , let's let's do a lithium .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , down to the electronics um section . We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so one of those . It is a single-curved , so one of those .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . What's that ? Yeah , that's correct .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , down here , case material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Plastic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "plastic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And special colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And special colour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . {vocalsound} Down here , interface type . We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , we don't have the scroll .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "oh those are just regular buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's the push-button too , right there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's {disfmarker} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but i so i",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're really having just push-button interface .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we can just go {disfmarker} um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it {disfmarker} that just covers the type of button we're having . Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh like the {disfmarker} twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Push-button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right I think she's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we just have push",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "push-buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we don't have any scrolls .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like because there's like one interface right here and then {disfmarker} because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , they might put us {disfmarker} well , let's just .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two or would it be three ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's call it th",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or three , because of one on each side and one on top .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , fine . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine . Well less than twenty nine even .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we're gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "button supplements {disfmarker} the buttons are no uh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're a special colour . Um they're uh they're a special form , 'cause they're indented .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are they ? Oh , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then s",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And , they're a special material .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Well , we're under cost then . Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We're over ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , we're under .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Grand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're under .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five is our limit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We've got eleven point two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we can go to production .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We can go to {disfmarker} I dunno what I just did . {vocalsound} Okay . Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result . Um did we have a lot of room for creativity ? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership , um teamwork , and the means , meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there , and if we found any new ideas . Now , question is , how do we do this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go back .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think we just discuss it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Discuss , sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Previous .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Who want who would like to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We think we got stifled for cri {vocalsound} creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We didn't have a whiteboard .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And no internet .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} No , yeah , that's a good point . 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We got to choose {disfmarker} basically we had control over {disfmarker} minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , and we got say over what {disfmarker} how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we're a fashion forward technology company .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we {disfmarker} yep . You know it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we did well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think ya' did . Did you work well together in there , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , no , there was there was scratching and fighting , but {disfmarker} no {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Minus that one fight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Gouges .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh my God ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we've all been a pretty congenial team here , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We hadn't had any ma fallings out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Irritating .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Irritating . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Irritating .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Irritating , yeah . Wow that's a {disfmarker} it's definitely a strong one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The means , the whiteboard didn't work . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And no internet .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I have to knock that one down a couple notches .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and no internet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Misses . I do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's so much available .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the digital the digital pens",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like it's information",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , digital pens .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I really appreciated those , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "were {disfmarker} they were pretty cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They were fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The use of the laptops for receiving everything .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , laptops are extremely handy ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was wireless too , so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wireless . And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And these things whoa .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And Big Brother .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Big brother .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um we are really gonna sell this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ta-da .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think {disfmarker} I mean that's not what technology .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They look like they did when I was in elementary school ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and that's so old-fashioned to me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Just the Mac font bothers me even .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I do like iPods , go figure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no , iPods {vocalsound} {disfmarker} They want all those words for presentation , even the plugs .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , i iPods are now quite trendy ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they come in different colours .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Colours . Exactly . I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone , back when we were like in high school , just so they could get the changeable face plates .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , everybody .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , so that is definitely at work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mine is amber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I didn't have a phone 'til university .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T_V_ only .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T_V_ unless they've lost theirs .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Look at it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Fashionable chic people will .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You're kidding .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That is a piece of work .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , no .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wow . Marketing Director says yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , marketing has to actually create the desire for it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Fashionable people will buy it . Oh , I will create desire . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's okay . We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met . This will help them find the one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ri {vocalsound} They'll be sexy with it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial , and that's the fig-leaf .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound} That'll sell .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And so the serpent says , use our remote . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go , marketing {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let you loose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , we're gonna wrap this up now . Um the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so . Alright , thank you team ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoohoo . Margaritas for everyone . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you did a great job , it was lovely working with you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yay . Thanks to the Project Leader .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now we know w",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
ES2012a
|
Product
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{
"answer": "This is the first Real Reaction's development meeting for the new remote control. The team members got acquainted with each other and Project Manager introduced the financial target. Each product would be priced at 25 Euros and a 50% profit is made, aiming at making an overall profit of 50 million Euros. In terms of style and design, the remote control should be stylish to stay competitive. Also, it should be made dependable and of medium size and the user interface can be made into face-plates. The material should be plastic as it is the lightest. To market the remote control, the project team can launch parallel marketing schemes to fit both customers who value the remote control's appearance and those who value its practicability. To market interchangeable fronts, the team can either get control in a set of colours or with face-plates.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "Marketing proposed to make a stylish remote control. User Interface preferred a remote control that was comfortable to hold. In order to make buttons easy to find, User Interface pointed out that they could be made concave. Project Manager agreed and supposed that the buttons could be made illuminated so that people could see them in dark rooms.",
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},
{
"answer": "As Marketing proposed to make a remote control that doesn't look like remote control, Project Manager was concerned that customers wouldn't recognize it and just pass it.",
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"answer": "User Interface suggested that remote controls should be comfortable to hold and the buttons could be made concave so that customers could feel them.",
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"answer": "The remote control should be made dependable and of medium size. In terms of industrial design, the user interface can be made into face-plates, and the material should be plastic as it is the lightest.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer believed that remote controls should be made dependable and its size should be moderate since if it is too big, it can be awkward to hold, but if it is too small, it will be easy to get lost.",
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{
"content": "Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control . Uh this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company . Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound} just as vital to this project",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um {vocalsound} I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um {disfmarker} designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design . Um . {vocalsound} What's uh {disfmarker} the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh {vocalsound} everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um {gap} everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh {disfmarker} uh everybody's experience is please do so . Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you {disfmarker} you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh my name's Andrew I'm a {disfmarker} I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to {gap} like {disfmarker} and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right {vocalsound} Kendra .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um {vocalsound} I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be {vocalsound} working on the design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh I'm Katie ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , very very quickly , um {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank . Everybody says what they {gap} what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario . User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and think oh yes that's {disfmarker} it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that {disfmarker} I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production . Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh {vocalsound} let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um {disfmarker} In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I {disfmarker} everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , badger . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm and why ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black {vocalsound} and white and uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I feel they're {gap} underdog kind of status",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they're , the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um probably a duck",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Kendra .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker} I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh 's horses , no particular reason why {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh , {gap} fair enough yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because of their {disfmarker} their uh overall ability to uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Make mobile phones and T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "to make T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Indeed absolutely yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "tha that's um {disfmarker} Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh {disfmarker} we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent . {vocalsound} It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make . Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price . Um , okay , um {vocalsound} would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think {disfmarker} I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well . Um , but that {disfmarker} it's easy to {gap} if you can switch back and forth instead of having to {vocalsound} press a bunch of different buttons",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it's important that you should be able to {disfmarker} when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it {disfmarker} the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and {gap} T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like it's very {disfmarker} a very {disfmarker} like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like {disfmarker} Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um what so wh what's in in {disfmarker} what particular style features are you thinking about ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um . Something that looks looks {disfmarker} doesn't look like remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if you want , {vocalsound} something that looks like uh {disfmarker} something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it makes you think oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , sorry that's a bit vague {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control , {vocalsound} people won't see it as a remote control um and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a {disfmarker} of remote controls ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "some from personal experience which look nice",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} aren't particularly comfortable . Um {vocalsound} any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well from the mouse idea you could , {gap} remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want {gap} {disfmarker} could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I mean {vocalsound} the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I suppose .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "fi find the button buttons easily .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Easily , yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them {disfmarker} be kind of down so you could feel them",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "better .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's uh {disfmarker} must admit I don't think I've ever seen one with concave buttons , that's uh {disfmarker} certainly be different . Um do we need it to uh {disfmarker} I can't think of any re remote controls that I know of that actually light up at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we do we want uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm that would be good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a like a mobile phone ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah that would be good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire um {disfmarker} the planet with ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , um {vocalsound} especially if we try to sell , what two million of them . Oh sorry , four million of 'em , but uh {disfmarker} I think if w if we market it as as not as not {disfmarker} well this {disfmarker} you c you could either market it as the point of view {disfmarker} we could have the two {disfmarker} we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool , is fashionable",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and like you just {disfmarker} it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but that might {disfmarker} considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice , therefore they want it so {disfmarker} make it practical at the same time . I think it's {disfmarker} this is gonna have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh but also a device that uh is practically sound .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay , yeah , yeah , well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both . If you {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim {disfmarker} need to aim for for all of . Um okay well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "first thoughts on um the the industrial design side .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh I think it's it's {disfmarker} remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's {disfmarker} you depend on them so much , but you don't {disfmarker} i i it's {disfmarker} you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna {disfmarker} something's gonna get messed up eventually . They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's {gap} {disfmarker} God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it just {disfmarker} it needs to be very effective , very {disfmarker} always dependable . Uh I don't think we should make it too small I {disfmarker} 'cause I think it needs to {gap} it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} so yes dependable , and have a {gap} good medium range size .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , most {disfmarker} I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we should go with something different or be able to {disfmarker} I was just thinking of um {vocalsound} what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um {disfmarker} what are they called ? Like the face-plates",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that you change so we could have maybe {disfmarker} I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so people can get different different things . Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "probably just plastic because that's always the lightest .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay that's uh {disfmarker} Again I don't think that's ever been done before ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's uh the sort of {gap} the sort of thing that would get people uh thinking yes that's something that I haven't got and uh might need so . Uh Andrew , any thoughts about uh how we might market interchangeable fronts on on the remote control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , well we could either market it together by getting control in a set colour or with {disfmarker} like you buy it with several uh like you ge you get the f uh the face-plates with it when you buy or as a separate thing , but uh {vocalsound} maybe thinking of that , it's {disfmarker} considering the nature of the device , maybe a second thing {disfmarker} like a second campaign to market new facials for your {disfmarker} to your {disfmarker} might go a bit astray",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "since it is the kind of thing where y you generally get one and then forget about it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Unless you were trying to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well you could come up with like novelty ones , like they've done with the the mobile phones , you can get like different you know scenes from different movies and stuff on the remote control",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and sorta stagger the release of them",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's {disfmarker} that's a that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and get people like oh I want that cover on it now and that'll keep them spending money .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we've got um a good idea now . We uh {disfmarker} meeting is uh {disfmarker} Needs to be k uh wrapped up fairly quickly . So uh um we've got thirty minutes to start looking at the um at the design in more detail . Um then we'll we will reconvene in in thirty minutes and try to get some of these ideas uh uh more formalised . Uh thank you very much indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
ES2012b
|
Product
|
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"topic": "Project requirements"
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"topic": "Reduction of buttons and application of speech recognition"
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"topic": "Energy source of remote control"
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],
"topic": "Wrap-up of the meeting"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "This is the second meeting of the design group. Project Manager went through the notes of the last meeting and informed the team of the management's requirements. They expected the remote control to cover television only and asked the team to incorporate the company logo and colours. As the team is looking at extreme simplicity, the buttons should be reduced to the absolute minimum. Voice recognition can also be added to reach this point. In addition, the remote control can be powered by a rechargeable or permanent battery.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Marketing summarized the market research results and revealed that fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons. So the team proposed to reduce buttons to a minimum. Marketing believed that speech recognition could also contribute to this regard. User Interface showed a user-centred remote control and an engineering-centred one and preferred the user-centred one as it had fewer buttons and was easier to hold.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the reduction of buttons and application of speech recognition.",
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"7",
"196"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing proposed to apply speech recognition and suggested that some of the buttons could be hidden from everyday use. Project Manager agreed and proposed to get the remote control with no buttons but later rejected the idea and supposed that dual functions could be used.",
"query": "What did Marketing and Project Manager come up with when it came to reducing buttons?",
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"24",
"152"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Age group data for remote control use was not available; many people may not want to learn to use the new remote control; some buttons are still needed, such as channel control, volume settings and on/off.",
"query": "Why didn't the team believe that the remote control could fully depend on speech recognition and have no buttons?",
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"59",
"119"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager expected to have a remote control permanently available. Industrial Designer proposed to have a rechargeable battery or a battery dock, while Project Manager preferred a disposable one. Then Industrial Designer came up with a combination of both solar and conventional batteries.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about energy sources?",
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[
"197",
"341"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager preferred to have disposable remote control of which battery life was predetermined and proposed to move parts more by not even having a battery compartment. The usage of permanent batteries was also proposed.",
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"231",
"270"
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]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer initially proposed to have rechargeable energy sources and then suggested a combination of both solar and conventional batteries. It means that if there's enough light, then it's using the light, but when it is dark, then the battery is used.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group . Um {vocalsound} I'll briefly go through the uh notes of the of the last meeting uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals , because we're working strictly as a team here and uh n nobody's working equally ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so uh . Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boring colour . Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls several items , that switching was easy , that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular , um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting , that the keys might be concave , simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of . Um should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalise it , um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms . Um and that people might want it as as {disfmarker} in addition to their existing remote controls . Um {vocalsound} and that it sh it should just always work , whenever you uh um mm uh use it . And that it shouldn't be too small , mm that it it gets lost . Um . {gap} Now uh uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations . Uh before I do that , however , I will go through some new project requirements that um {disfmarker} the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting . Um the uh the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought . Um and and then we'll {disfmarker} as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out , and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh {disfmarker} Anyway . Okay . Now , the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of any importance given the uh the rise of the internet . Um and and they want it only to cover televisions . Um now , what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover , you know , videos , D_V_D_s , um satellite boxes , which uh {disfmarker} I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise . The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only . Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind , um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they uh no longer {disfmarker} they don't look at teletext anymore , they certainly do look at other things . Um {vocalsound} the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours . Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there , the the the two R_s in grey against uh a yellow background . Um now this doesn't {vocalsound} necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market . But uh do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that . Um it also has to be simple , which to some extent goes along w with the first one , and that {disfmarker} we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway . Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly , which um mm {vocalsound} uh is is is their choice , but uh um we we need to talk that through . Um okay , so uh after the meeting it'll be summarised and uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um notes sent out and uh etcetera . Okay , so {vocalsound} we'll first of all mm have individual reports from everybody . Um again I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to {disfmarker} who who who thinks they would like to go go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I don't mind . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "P fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh can I steal the cable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , you can indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cheers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I got a {disfmarker} how do I start there ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen , no the one to the right of that . That one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That one . Cool . Well these are functionality requirements from the {disfmarker} our our guys down in the the research lab . Took hundred people and covered all the aspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see . Um {vocalsound} everything kinda from functionality and how individual functions are {disfmarker} how mu how how often they're used and how much their necessary and stuff . And general opinions about current current remotes . See that , as we kinda noticed , seventy five percent of people find their remote controls ugly . So some kind of a new style should be incorporated that's less ugly {vocalsound} . Uh along with um looking less ugly , if it looks better , eighty percent of people said they'd spend more money on it . Which is a a plus for us , if we can make it look better , it'd be uh more cost effective and we can put the price up . Current remote controls do not match the operating behaviour of the user . I can empl I kinda take that to mean as um {vocalsound} they they don't uh {disfmarker} they , yeah , they only use {disfmarker} they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat I've got six remote controls for a stereo system , a digital box , a D_V_D_ player , a video player and T_V_ . If it was uh {disfmarker} I mean th my behaviour is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes aren't really matched well to my behaviour . {vocalsound} Uh again , seventy five percent is {disfmarker} seventy five percent of users say they zap a lot . I took to mean that they just {disfmarker} they use it a lot , they use it regularly rather than standing up and manually change channels or volume {gap} . {vocalsound} And uh yeah , uh I think the big issue is fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons , 'cause uh wh if we got a remote that like {disfmarker} well we'll have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext , but uh oh and we're going to see uh on the {disfmarker} uh that some of the functions like audio settings aren't h hardly ever used and used very {disfmarker} aren't considered relevant by the user . So I think maybe fewer buttons , which also make the design look sleeker , I dunno . Uh um yeah and uh frustrations of like people losing remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the T_V_ or maybe that's b it would have to incorporate {gap} , but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remote control . Maybe like it'll beep or something . And um , yep , the uh time taken to learn new remote controls is {disfmarker} Uh don't want to make it too complicated , easy to use for uh new {disfmarker} like first time users and stuff . And uh repetitive strain injury , I suppose we should make it more comfortable and make ma possibly even use {disfmarker} have to make it , yeah , fewer buttons , like I was saying about the whole mice {disfmarker} the mouse idea of it feels more comfortable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe don't even have to hold it as such .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Gosh , must be some telly addicts out there if they get R_S_I_ from their television remote , is all I can say .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But uh yeah . It also asked um if we would {disfmarker} if people would pay more for speech recognition",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and younger people say they would . And uh there was another section on our {disfmarker} on the report for uh L_C_D_ displays , but the data wasn't there , so . I don't actually know what the results for that were ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Right . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so . {vocalsound} May be incrementally emitting , but yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I must say that um the uh {disfmarker} I c can't remember what {vocalsound} um f you know phone service I was using the other day , but that had sorta speech recognition which worked uh remarkably well , so that is indeed a uh um a thought",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh {vocalsound} it would cut out the R_S_I_ as well if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it it cuts out uh {disfmarker} I was was gonna say , you can't get a lot of R_S_I_ ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "j just get jaw ache . Okay , sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um {disfmarker} oh yeah , so possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design . Oh , I've got some other things I couldn't fit onto this presentation . Um . You see this okay ? Almost {disfmarker} no ? It's {disfmarker} sorry it's a bit {gap} . I'll read out to you . Uh functionality , uh like people's opinions on functionality , the relevance to the remote and how often they're used . So um like the power . Using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on T_V_ is a high relevance of nine , but it's not frequently used . You see what I mean ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whereas channel selection , which is very high relevance",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "is used the most . So m we can maybe even start to cut down on {disfmarker} or I was possibly even thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use . Maybe like uh a folding ledge or something . So that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which are low relevance",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and rarely used . And keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could be {disfmarker} oh uh I was just gonna say uh maybe like the flip phones that they use ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Have you seen the new mo mobile phones",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that flip out and they have the like texting , and then the numbers on one side ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you could have the most {vocalsound} used buttons on top and flip it out or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm , hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like the one that like slides back",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Should we actually bite the bullet here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the buttons are concealed underneath .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If people really don't use those buttons to any extent at all um {vocalsound} remove them altogether .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just remove them completely ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we could actually have we could actually have a remote control with um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That might be the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition , given that um the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um now the the age structure we were looking at {disfmarker} um I mean w we had usage by age structure , what we didn't have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups . Now do we know whether they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Forty {disfmarker} no sorry {disfmarker} for forty five to fifty five age group , uh to put myself right in the middle of it , um u use remote controls to a great extent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um no this is for {disfmarker} pay more for speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would 've speech recogn right . So , we're looking at {disfmarker} um well again , we don't know the relative proportion {disfmarker} the relative numbers in the age groups .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we wanted something different , truly different , then the buttonless remote control w would be it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "P Well the only problem I can think of with that is if you've got a lot of people that don't wanna be bothered learning how to use new rem remote controls . If you just kind of take away everything that they're used to knowing , that's gonna be quite a change .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if you just lift it up and say , channel one or B_B_C_ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or even {disfmarker} I mean you could even just have it left on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could just put it down once on top your T_V_ and never have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , have a big kind of like the satellite box or the cable box",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and have it just go on the T_V_ and then it doesn't matter where in the room you are ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you won't lose it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It c well it {disfmarker} I can I can see technical problems with that in terms of the , you know , the sound from the television ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because if somebody actually on the television says uh uh , you know , I_T_V_ and you're watching B_B_C_ then then it might um change itself ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} B_B_C_ one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it probably needs to be um {disfmarker} possibly actually need a button on it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "just to activate it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or or something just to identify that you've lifted it up and it's use . And and then just say , oh I don't know , a thought and and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh I mean that that would certainly be uh truly different . {vocalsound} Um 'cause uh you know audio settings , nought point eight percent . I mean if they weren't there , {vocalsound} would people miss them ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But look at the importance of them . The volume settings .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Relevance of two out of ten ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Vol volume ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yes um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're not used often",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "th {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but they are quite important when they're used .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "w we need to s identify things that {vocalsound} people actually need",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and and it's a function of frequency and relevance . And um I would say ignoring ig ignoring power for the moment , um the channel and volume",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and th w w given given that we've been told to ignore teletext . Uh channel and volume are the only ones that",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} uh would appear to be essential .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Stand out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um . So {disfmarker} if we can design something that that looks interesting , know , or looks different , um incorporates the the logo and and the colours and um we can still have our interchangeable fascias even if it's {gap} the yellow and grey , um and uh I dunno , buttons or or buttons as an option .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I just had a thought actually , sorry to interrupt .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do , please .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh you were saying about um it could {disfmarker} technical problems of like uh someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we could maybe have like an activation word .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You cer certainly could .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I've seen I've seen this used on computers before , where you just {disfmarker} you address the remote ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Depe uh i depends whether um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you address the computer , and then give it a command .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "if we want to make this so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see . Oh yeah , I see .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "B_B_C_ one . Um okay , I mean you could print {disfmarker} actually print it on the uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "device itself . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean I'm just thinking of the point of view of peop you could still like lose this remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S th this I th {vocalsound} that's always gonna be a problem I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and I I I s so I suppose one um {disfmarker} could make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , sorry , carry on . Do you want to just carry on with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I interrupted you ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "no no , no uh b I was in the middle of in the middle of your report there . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "sorry {vocalsound} . Oh okay . Um well , I was just kinda wrapping up there . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking um , yeah , maybe such things are relevant . We could make things much more f I think the the eighty percent of people would spend more on uh a remote uh that looks better , combined with uh decrease the {disfmarker} or take out the limited functio functions that we don't really use much . {gap} alright take out teletext , but as for channel settings and stuff it might it might um turn people somewhe peop some people that want the whole functionality away . But , since {disfmarker} if we're marketing a more kind of fashionable approach then it'd {disfmarker} it would be fashion and fashion over practicality .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . S s we could {disfmarker} we could make it dual function {gap} voice recognition and {gap} still have buttons on it um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , we could , yeah . We c yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause we're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we could even have it as like a {disfmarker} yeah the buttons control this and the voice functions control the f things that you would do all the time , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Certainly could . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh yeah , if we could uh {disfmarker} power on and channel selection and and volume selection , wouldn't have to really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} The {disfmarker} I mean the the advantage of doing away the buttons altogether is it makes the thing cheaper .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and probably it would look better as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , it cou certainly opens up the possibility for making it uh , you know , visually very distinctive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um 'cause you know , it does not have to be a oblong box .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lined with numbered buttons and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah . Okay , who {disfmarker} sorry , have you have you finished there Andy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , yeah , that's everything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yep . Um {vocalsound} given that we've already had a extensive discussion uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay well , I can do mine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you want the cable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , let's see if I can make this work . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , you have to hit like function and F_ something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Dunno .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , give it about twenty seconds , or so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah , there we go . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , it's going .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . {vocalsound} Okay , so this is just about the technical functions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So the method , I looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of was trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and um identify what the necessary things are , what people are {disfmarker} what you really wanna have a remote control do . Um and then there are two different kinds that I found . There's a user centred one and an engineering centred one which I will have pictures of and then we kinda have to decide which one this should be .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So these are the two different ones . This one um {disfmarker} this is the user centred , it has uh quite a few mm uh um fewer buttons",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then this is the engineering centred , which has a lot more buttons ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and probably this is one that people complain about , about having too many buttons that you don't use . So basically , what a remote control is is you {disfmarker} it's to send messages to the television set , you know , turn on , off , switch the channels and the volume and things such as that . And so for this product it's gonna be television only , and then it has to have the uh logos for the company and the colours . And so , for my personal preferences , I think this one is easier to use and has quite a {disfmarker} you know , fewer buttons . Um we want something that sends messages easily to the television and I was kind of wondering about this example that they have . It looks kind of narrow at the top , and I was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then that would be easier . Um {vocalsound} and so we have to decide what's gonna make our product different . E the unique style , maybe have it light up so it's visible in the dark , um the changeable face-plates , and the lighting up and visible I was {disfmarker} when we were talking about havi losing it , maybe to have a button on the television that you press and it {disfmarker} maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that , so it's easier to find if someone has hidden under the couch or something like that . So that's my presentation . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , can I um {disfmarker} I'm actually gonna use the um {disfmarker} it's gonna cause great technical problems over here . I'm actually gonna use the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F they probably clip to you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , they might be movable .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , they're all {disfmarker} they're not connected to anything on the table , you just leave 'em on and walk around with 'em . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , rather than the uh the the traditional {disfmarker} in fact , um I won't even go that far . Um something like this shape , you know , sort of something that you can {disfmarker} that's sort of a more vertical shape , um that you you sort of hold in your hand , um , well I'm trying to think uh uh uh l uh l such as {disfmarker} I mean um something you hold up like that , possibly with a couple of buttons like that , but with the the entire top with the , you know , the uh the infrared or whatever source .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh so that you know , it's flying off in all directions ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so that uh um uh {vocalsound} again the {disfmarker} n need to look at the the the technicalities of um actually achieving that in terms of whether the , you know , the power requirements of the uh {disfmarker} such a source , um you know , compromise the {disfmarker} our our need for uh you know , it it being um mm permanently uh you know , available .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh whether whether different technology {disfmarker} um I mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared , and like they have been for a long time . Uh we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different , um you know , short range , not like the old uh radio remote controls where you'd change next door's telly when you change yours . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but uh uh I think basically i if we're going for {disfmarker} i if minimum number of buttons is our priority , then we should , as I say , r know , really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum , you know , possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off . Um and nothing else . {vocalsound} Um so that it can al it could uh almost end up like that , but again , except that um {disfmarker} you know the risk of losing it . Um anyway okay um so Kate , wh what are your uh your thoughts on this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , mm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which one does this plug into ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm I think it's all there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "H",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I can't {disfmarker} did you {gap} {disfmarker} could you see it on you screen when it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's not cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's kind of strange .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh well . Anyways . Um alright , yeah , so um I'll just do my presentation on the working design uh . {vocalsound} Oh there we go . Okay um just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works . Uh the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system , the the T_V_ or the D_V_D_ player or whatever .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and it does this uh by {disfmarker} well , you need {disfmarker} to start off you need an energy source {vocalsound} and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages uh within the remote um which will then be sent to the uh the television , the D_V_D_ to tell that what to do . Um and you need a user interface , which controls the chip and thus the messages and uh the user interface is {disfmarker} that's basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it . Um {disfmarker} Oh shoot . Okay . Uh just general findings . Uh what we need uh technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source , {vocalsound} uh some sort of user interface , which I think we've mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that . Um a circuit chip within that to uh control and send the messages and um a sender and receiver . And um {disfmarker} oops . Uh-huh . This is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we're looking for . Uh this just kinda represents the energy source",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which feeds into the circuit chip uh which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to um {vocalsound} a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between {disfmarker} so it'll light up once we start {disfmarker} once you start pressing buttons . Um also send signals to the um infrared bulb , which will be the part that actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what ? Sends signals to the the television . And then you've got your happy little T_V_ watcher there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And so my personal preferences {disfmarker} I I just think we need sorta big uh energy source that won't die out , uh perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in , so it'd constantly be charged , so you wouldn't have to uh be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you . Uh a wide range uh sender-receiver , so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room , and the channel'll still be changed . Uh also definitely a user-friendly interface {vocalsound} um and I think we've all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it , so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions , as they inevitably do , you can find them easily . And that's pretty much it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think your point about the the big energy source is uh a very valid one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I don't suppose we've got any statistics on the the life expectancy of uh remote controls , particularly sort of independent ones . Um given you know , the number of things you buy these days , which you know , have a a a lithium whatever battery in , that's uh , you know never needs replacing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control , uh um you know , one {disfmarker} some sort of typical usage . You know , the the the battery will last know , five , ten years . By which time {disfmarker} I mean when all's said and done , the digital television {vocalsound} will be taking over in that time scale . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh uh p perhaps we should , know , reduce the uh , you know , the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just having one that's guaranteed to last five to ten years ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and if if anybody manages to run it down , we'll we'll give 'em a new one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , cool . {vocalsound} Yeah , fair enough .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um it's , you know , it's {disfmarker} what it saves in cost and you know there there's a {disfmarker} well , it's actually a marketing gimmick . I mean it's hardly a gimmick , it's uh it's totally practical . Uh so I th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is um uh unless you're really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it's n by , you know , magnetic waves or whatever , if if it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It could have like uh {disfmarker} know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are are people really gonna use it though ? Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , people are pro",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I suppose , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would think that people might forget {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I th I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} I mean I know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says oh I should have put the phone on to charge",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then then she's had those for so long that if she hasn't worked that out by now . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I only remember to charge my cell phone uh when battery dies . {vocalsound} And that's pretty much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "When it {disfmarker} yeah , wh when it's died is a problem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah , when it turns itself off , that's when I plug it in ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah , {gap} so uh um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "what so wh what what do we think about the um the the permanent mm battery ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , think that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh . That sounds pretty good , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is the uh {disfmarker} you know , we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex uh external simplicity here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um you know , cut cost within the manufacturing and uh you know , if we have a high tech interior , then then that that sh may well be cost effective .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do they make batteries that last that long ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean th th certainly . Um I can't think of anything off the s top of my head ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} They usually have the little light uh {vocalsound} source ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but there are certainly things that you buy . I mean calculators for example .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno what the heck they're called ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they have that little solar {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker} but",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Som well some do ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , the little cells that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean th th but there are battery ones",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that um are you know , sort of permanently sealed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "In in fact I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Most of them , don't they have sort of a combination of the two , like when there is light , they'll work off the light ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if there isn't , they'll kick into this battery ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery , but if there's enough light , then it's using the light , so that it's not actually draining the battery all the time , but you will have the battery there for when you need it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would think is i is is probably , you know , no more than minutes in its entire life . Um . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it depend if it's {disfmarker} uh depends who who's using it , who's just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , some people are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If , but I say if if people are getting R_S_I_ from it then uh then uh then then perhaps we're looking at the wrong market",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah , {vocalsound} then they're clicking a lot , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} W",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "n",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like like this um this uh market research thing says number of times per hour that it's used , channel selection a hundred and sixty eight",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Per hour ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "times per hour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow . {vocalsound} That's a lot . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I must admit I hadn't um {disfmarker} I'd I'd missed that . That does sound excessive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then again , if you think it {disfmarker} of the amount of , you know amount of use it's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} it's less than a second , um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that's right , and and I I don't I don't even know whether the I don't even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or whether it's just a",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorta tenth of a second , no matter how long you press it for , I don't know I don't actually know . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Though I think with digital T_V_ , like I know on my cable box , you're not supposed to do that because the channel can't keep up with it if you just press it like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so you're supposed to use the menu and go through the different",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "channels that way instead of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , so I've got a message to say five minutes , I dunno how long ago that appeared . Um 'cause we're we're getting",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} right , so I'd {disfmarker} I need to sum up very quickly here um . {vocalsound} We're looking at extreme simplicity . We're looking at a radically different shape . Possibly no buttons at all um , but if you can incorporate um channel change and volume buttons um in into the design , then then that's fine . Um in the {disfmarker} I mean the the role of the of the um the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here , because , you know , shape is no longer an a uh um a serious constraint . But we clearly only need th the main buttons , although , uh if {disfmarker} clearly only need the main functions . Um I don't see why we shouldn't go for voice recognition um and the the only buttons that I think we need are channel control , volume control and on off . Um it needs to incorporate the corporate logo , uh the the grey and yellow colour scheme and {vocalsound} there's no reason why we can't introduce um interchangeable uh covers . {vocalsound} Um uh d so does that accurately summarise what we've discussed ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah . We are doing just the television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh I just have one question . So are we doing just the television or are we doing {disfmarker} so not D_V_D_ players ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we okay , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that's quite clear from the the information that we've been given ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like in the email of television only . In fact they're {gap} in the constraints email that I got .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Didn't you mention the teletext , just television only ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah well th that's one I s that's one I sent you ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which which was my interpretation of uh of the uh {disfmarker} what came down from from head office . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . {vocalsound} Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh {vocalsound} okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's {vocalsound} that that that that's their uh their view .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so uh we can all give some thought to that uh for for the next meeting , thank you very much indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"571"
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"topic": "Wrap-up of the meeting"
}
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{
"answer": "This is the third meeting of the design group. Project Manager raised the question left over from the last meeting. That is, what kind of energy source should be used. Industrial Designer preferred a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery, but Project Manager rejected and decided to use a long-term battery in light of the production cost. Then Industrial Designer described the advantages and disadvantages of custom-designed chips and chips off the shelf. Due to the significance of technological innovation, the team decided to choose the former. After discussion, the team agreed that they needed buttons for channel change, power, menu and volume, and proposed to add a slide button. In terms of the appearance design, Marketing proposed to follow the fashion and use a spongy material. In order to keep up with the changes in fashion, the team recommended interchangeable covers.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "Industrial Designer proposed to select a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery, but Project Manager rejected and preferred a conventional one. In terms of the choice of chips, Industrial Designer pointed out that custom-designed ones were more flexible but would cost more and take a long time, so Project Manager favoured chips off the shelf. However, in view of the significance of technological innovation, the team eventually chose custom-designed ones.",
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"0",
"100"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager learned that custom-designed chips would be expensive and the completion time could not be predicted as the voice technology had not been well developed yet.",
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"30"
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]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer pointed out that voice technology was fundamental to the project and Marketing also revealed the importance of technological innovation.",
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"60",
"84"
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]
},
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"answer": "User Interface proposed that to avoid excessive buttons, a slide button could be used and envisaged that the push button could be added when changing the function of the slider. Project Manager agreed and supposed that three buttons could be put on a slider. Eventually, the team achieved an agreement that they need buttons for channel change, power, menu and volume.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about button design of remote control?",
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"answer": "Project Manager thought push buttons were simpler, cheaper and more reliable and initially had doubts about slide buttons. But when User Interface revealed that slide buttons actually cost the same as push buttons, Project Manager agreed to the idea and supposed that three buttons could be installed on a slide button to save space.",
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{
"answer": "The team initially supposed that the buttons for channel change, power and volume were needed. But then, they came to realize that people might need to change brightness, tint and stuff so they thought a menu button was also needed.",
"query": "What buttons did the team think was needed in the discussion of button design?",
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"content": "Alright ? Alright . Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group . Um I think we uh made some definite progress at the last one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control . Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes of that meeting . Um {vocalsound} the the the problem with existing remote controls , we felt , was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better . Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn . Um and people lose them . And {vocalsound} We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy , um {vocalsound} that we're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons , and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use . That {disfmarker} um {vocalsound} we want to go for uh a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable , A_ um as uh a trendy remote control , and and B_ as uh a Real Reaction product . So that w uh when people are uh happy with that , they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay . So again um , I'll {disfmarker} we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'll make a a final a final uh decision . Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today , finally , are um what energy source we want to use , whether i it is practical to use uh um a a a long lasting one . And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply , then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down , we'll we'll give them another one . And uh it it'll be uh , you know , prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um , you know , for life , guaranteed for life . Um {vocalsound} now the the the internal chip um {disfmarker} and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert advice",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and given that {vocalsound} th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise . And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today . Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um {vocalsound} go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both . Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation . And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Kate . Oh I'm sorry , oh sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um p there we go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay , I'll just be talking about the components design . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay , basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do . Uh basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the T_V_ . Uh the materials we're gonna need to look at {disfmarker} uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator , uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor . Um . {vocalsound} Uh basically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip {disfmarker} the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format . This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and uh {disfmarker} which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the T_V_ and sort of seen by the T_V_ and which uh changes the channels . {vocalsound} Um . Oh . {vocalsound} Uh cool . {vocalsound} Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t couple of main questions are the buttons . Uh y the fewer buttons you have , I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need . Um however uh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost . That's something we should think about . Also we have to work within the company constraints , and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it . Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use , so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might be able to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea . {vocalsound} Um we also need to look at the chips , uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf , and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon . Um , however that's gonna cost more , but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be {disfmarker} allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster , but it's going to be less flexible with the features , especially things like uh voice activation , which haven't really been used much on remotes , so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so if we were uh definitely gonna go with the the voice option we'd probably have to design um our own chip . {vocalsound} And that pretty much sums it up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so how um {disfmarker} sorry , can you uh just put that one back up again , please ? Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Oh yep , sorry . {vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh d d d {vocalsound} okay , I mean uh inevitably a b a custom design chip is gonna be more expensive . Do we do we know uh by how much ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound} Um I don't actually have any price information , no . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And and do we know how long it'll take to uh develop a a custom chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um it {disfmarker} a lot longer than an off the shelf chip . Oh w yeah , we did {disfmarker} the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's sort of still still in an ex experimental form ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh so it would uh {disfmarker} it's hard to predict the time . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , I think we need to make a a decision here . Uh given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that would appear to uh effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology . Um uh now before we go round everybody else , does anybody um h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I just have a question about that . Um does it make a difference if there are just a few commands , for example if you um can pre-programme in like numbers one through ten and pre-programme say , you know , nine channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you've programmed in say B_B_C_ four as your channel one , as your favourite , it's like to have a certain number of favourites um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "W just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that w",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Once you've got the whole voice chip in there , then it's pretty much the the world {disfmarker} the the sky is your limit ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Then it doesn't matter . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but to actually {disfmarker} the the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cause uh I {vocalsound} must say I find it slightly surprising given that , you know , mobile phones incorporate voice activated dialling . So uh um I mean",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I d d for slightly different {disfmarker} well no , I mean , it's if you you {disfmarker} speak somebody's name and it'll dial the number for you , so uh bu I mean the this this information is from {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} this is the internal company information , is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh bits of it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , hundred and fifty pounds or something . As opposed to the twenty Euros , twenty five Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm true , again but if it's without any without any uh p price informations that's uh difficult to uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh decide .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Also lots of mobile phones have got a lot of technology in them , not just that , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's that's right . It's like {disfmarker} it's it's {disfmarker} you can't {disfmarker} 'cause mobile phones are expensive , you can't say it's the voice recognition bit that is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we don't know . Um . {vocalsound} I mean uh I su i I mean if {disfmarker} given that the um the technology is not well developed and and given that it's it's never been done before , um th th the double risk , uh perhaps we ought to uh stick to uh to buttons , since the last thing we want to do is present a product that doesn't work . Um . Thoughts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , another thought I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "oh , sorry , go ahead .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh like um {disfmarker} maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's fundament well I mean I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning , so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental , but I don't know that the uh the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that , so I think you have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I think we {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , I kinda think if we're gonna have the voice recognition for part of it , then maybe we should have it for the whole thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I I I I think that's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And we've been talking about it the whole time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , I'm I'm incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , {gap} it's the second most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "From uh my presentation show , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh technologically innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fine . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that sounds good . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I it will have voice recognition um uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if if that means uh if that means we can't afford buttons but I mean b b {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "second question , do we need the five buttons for channel change , up down , {vocalsound} volume up down and on off , just as a a backup or just so that people can uh j j just sit there pressing buttons ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I would say we do , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay . Sorry , d did you want to say anything ? No ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh nope ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that was it , that was it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shall we move rapidly on to uh Kendra ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh um ra rapidly move the cable over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Let's see .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Oh good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Yes . Is it gonna work ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's thinking about it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it'll get there . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so I did some research on the internet and um {vocalsound} what {vocalsound} {disfmarker} you know , the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users , um commands and mechanisms for the operation , and there're just kind of a variety of choices . Um findings , so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and these were just a couple examples of um different kinds that are a little bit more unusual .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There're some special ones available , like this one right here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which is marketed towards children , um different designs ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a V_ in volume because people some {vocalsound} Bring a little picture of what I thought ours could look like {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So just kind of minimise the clutter ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "avoid too many buttons and also um {vocalsound} one of the things that people have used is a slide button , like you have on a mouse , that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume , for example , have the slide button on the side ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then you can pre-programme the channels , the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm yeah . Sorry y y yeah , {vocalsound} if I can interrupt you . Well d {vocalsound} p 'kay , do you wanna say anything about um slide controls ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they're they're si simple , cheap and reliable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh I think they're they're about the same cost really . I I mean , I think it's just sort of {disfmarker} the the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} there's a lot of slide buttons out there . I think it's pretty much the same sort of connection . Mm yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , fair enough , fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just because I n for example if I'm using a mouse I like to be able to slide it up and down",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so I thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good , good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "this is my great little drawing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So three three {disfmarker} there's three buttons on a slider .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Three buttons , channel up channel up down and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y yes , yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , if you g if you if you got a channel up down , we can have a slider in that as well . Because if it {disfmarker} if you no",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of {disfmarker} if you you know it s kind of like sticks , if you know what I mean , up like one unit , if you see what I mean .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it kinda goes up one , then y like you can keep rolling it up , but it's like like like like a cog or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you kinda take it up one at a time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The only advantage I was thinking of to having the buttons , like the buttons on one side for the channel , and then the slider is that if you're just holding in your hand , and you pick it up , it's easy to n s know , okay , this is just the volume and this is the channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "D",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This one on the one side and one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh you could you could {vocalsound} as l as like a mouse you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ye yeah , 'cause I've definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume , or vice versa ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it'd be kinda good to have them be {disfmarker} feel completely different . You'd know what you were fiddling with .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker} yeah uh th th the {disfmarker} I mean thi this is what the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like the shape of it almost like a mouse , with a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we have to come up with is the the actual shape that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know uh know what it's going to do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we we're looking at sliders for both a {disfmarker} uh volume and channel change",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "of one sort .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking kind of just for the volume ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just for the volume , uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but what what do you guys think ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Dep I dunno if it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "depending on the final shape of it , 'cause you could have like , I dunno , {gap} it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then you could control the buttons with your fingers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fingers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause if {disfmarker} yeah , in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the {disfmarker} that for rolling ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} yeah , I mean it it it seems to me that uh it uh it al also has the advantage that it it {disfmarker} the two are clearly different ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "B",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "just the way it would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um that there's no no possibility of uh confusing the two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So okay . Right so uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just gonna pass this along .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's {disfmarker} sorry is that that all you want to say at the mo",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay , fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Here we go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh yeah , this is my report on trend watching .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The data's come off internet uh from executive summary for us on the top three things wanted by the consumer . And we got reports from Paris , Milan on new fashions .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh the most important aspect is the l the look {disfmarker} it has to look fancy , look and feel",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh instead of the current functional look and feel . This is a st well I was gonna say yeah twice as important as the second aspect ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which is the technologically innov innovative um side of it . So uh and the third being easy to use is probably a given , we have to try and incorporate , so uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I I mean I th I think that what we're suggesting ought to address all three of those .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh exactly , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I s that out of sequence ? Uh yeah , sorry . Uh yeah , and uh from the fashion watchers from Milan and Paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes , et cetera .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh sorry , clothes , shoes and furniture",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh a spongy material to be used on the {vocalsound} on the outside .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm I hadn't thought of that , that's different , certainly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . But uh I was gonna say um yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "fruit and vegetables , uh important to {disfmarker} this year um important to furniture , I'm just gonna say uh {vocalsound} f like it's in {disfmarker} if if fashion {disfmarker} if we're going for the it looks fancy , then fashion is obviously the line we gotta be going through .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But fashions do don't last very long .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well that can kinda tie into our changing uh face things , like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh whatever happens next year , we can have the face plates ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah , we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then we can just whip that off and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like the kind you get on like hand weights . You know , that kind of spongy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah , that weird {disfmarker} I dunno what that is ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A kind of {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Also means you can drop it without damaging it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} , yeah , it's good as well . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's {disfmarker} c cool . Um {vocalsound} you have {disfmarker} we could {disfmarker} if we could save {disfmarker} depending on the cost of the product itself , you know , could we have uh a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed ? Instead of having a ten year guarantee ? With interchangeable covers , could just buy a new one every year , a new one when new fashions come out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I mean it its uh I {disfmarker} that's an interesting idea , it's like the old Swatch watch where uh um on only batteries ever got changed in those , 'cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but it's just never been seen as a a fashion item before . Um that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yes if if if they're made in sufficient quantity {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I think it's easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one , because you don't feel like you're investing in a whole new product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W I mean we we can uh uh b but I mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last , you know , a long time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it's it's even better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What if we included the batteries in the cover ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . I like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That all c also kind of encourages 'em to buy new covers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so can I see that thing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker} this as examples .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I n I know {disfmarker} the only p I mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it {disfmarker} y you've then got the connection",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you've immediately got a sort of unreliability , whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all , you know , completely soldered together",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it it it {disfmarker} you know , total reliability ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess that's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I mean I d I I uh I know what you're saying and uh understand where you're coming from .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} well , but like uh like more than just the battery , like a complete different {disfmarker} like you've only got like , you know like th uh this bit's the bit you keep , and this is the expensive bit , this is like the chip",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and this is the microphone . And then this is the power source and the bit everyone sees . And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I th I s I think if we're gonna go down that route , then we're talking about uh {disfmarker} even if it costs slightly more than that , um just building the whole thing in one , then having {disfmarker} getting cheaper production costs",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , you probably are right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um and , you know giving people the option of buying a new uh {disfmarker} a a complete new thing , the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they don't {disfmarker} it doesn't have a cover on at all , it will still work um totally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um then if , you know , if people lose the cover , I mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many Euros on a on a new one um rather than a a complete new re remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that that's just it with the covers , you're sort of tricking 'em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making 'em feel like they're being ripped off having to buy a new product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean it is {disfmarker} it's up to it's up to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just another five Euro to get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's it's up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and , you know , as as external fashions change , then we get new new covers on the market and , you know , readily available .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's the sort of thing , once you get the mould set , you can just whip out different colours , different pictures very very quickly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} that's that's right , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like they have for mobile phones",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , exactly , exactly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that are just fruits and animal prints and colours .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh i so uh okay . {vocalsound} Um right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "sorry . Um we hadn't finished your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} oh , don't worry it's all said , I was just gonna say uh {disfmarker} yeah , are we gonna make this as part of like like uh {disfmarker} a part of the f like it it {disfmarker} the fashions apply to furniture , so are we gonna make this part of the furniture ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their um coffee table to say this says something about me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um this is fashionable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is fashionable",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I , you know , I'm I'm I'm with it , I'm up to date . And you know , th the the design that I've got , and and it could be a a home-made design , um you know this says this is not just a a television remote control , this is , you know , a fashion accessory . Um , so I mean the the the basic shape i is is what we uh {disfmarker} I mean given that we've got you know one one on off button presumably , two buttons for uh channel change and one slider and basically nothing else ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um w we need to decide on the {disfmarker} just the basic shape of the thing . And , know whether we go down the fruit and veg route , and I don't suggest we make it look like a banana , but um know sort of the the organic , you know , curved look ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know , t to deliberately get away from the uh um {vocalsound} uh you know , the the the the square look of most um current uh remotes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and , you know , whether whether the you know , the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow . Um mm or uh {disfmarker} 'cause there's certainly you know , the the corporate logo needs to be prominently uh displayed so that people s th looked at it and say right , that's a Real Reaction remote control , I want one of those .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow I kinda thought with a {disfmarker} you'd have like a yellow circle with the R_R_ in it somewhere on it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah uh the the uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} or or b",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yellow seems a bit of a strong colour",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like an {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'd I'd um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to make the ent like the thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Uh no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no , but I mean just like white or grey or black or some sort of blah colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I d I I agree , I mean we're we're we're simply {disfmarker} it's simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} . Mm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And make that a fashion symbol as well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well n",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , th this is {disfmarker} this is the whole point , yes , you know , I'm {disfmarker} I've got a a Real Reaction uh remote control to go with my Real Reaction coffee maker or or whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh then people , you know , people demand more Real Reaction stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I was sort of mm kinda picturing like maybe um {vocalsound} a shape that's almost like a mouse .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that , you know , when they hold it it's {disfmarker} because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand um maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it , but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "have the power , wherever , somewhere .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I've uh {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean that was just an idea that I had .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no that {disfmarker} well there's the sim {disfmarker} my my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that you can just sort of ho hold it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you'd want it narrower than a mouse though",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Kind of a c",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause it {disfmarker} a mouse you're kinda just resting on it , you want something you can definitely grip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W it {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} well it's sort of it's it's sort of uh a a mouse ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe it'd be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sort of a combination .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but held , you know , so it's {disfmarker} you sorta hold it in your hand like that , i with , you know , and fiddling with the buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and fiddle around with it and press it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so {disfmarker} yeah , kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this , 'cause this is pretty comfortable to hold , and then if you had {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe almost like a hairbrush , like you could get the {disfmarker} about the width of that end of the pen and then it widens up top",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you can fiddle",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "then wider up here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "an yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then it would have a l uh wider thing to uh have the light , the infrared light at the T_V_ and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and the power could be wherever , up up the top or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What do you guys think about that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that sounds {disfmarker} Um I'm just {disfmarker} I'm suddenly realising that yeah we're discussing how much {disfmarker} how good it's gonna be to change channels t we still can just tell it to . I mean are we are we starting to get away from the the voice functionality of it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a very good point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It is a very good point .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we d I think we decided that w we're actually going down both routes . That um the {vocalsound} we n",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form , but that uh {disfmarker} yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} do you know , this shape also kind of les lend itself to to voice {gap} 'cause if you're you're holding it and you're fiddling , but you can also bring it up like that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Then you just bring it up to your mouth and just speak to it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it's microphone-esque ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and just say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe we cou like w like we're leaving out the buttons for the the f less frequently used stuff ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but maybe we could incorporate that into the voice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I th I th honest uh {vocalsound} my personal view is that if it's not there , people wouldn't use it anyway um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm I suppose , but t there is the off chance that , you know , th the brightness is wrong on your T_V_ or the contrast needs changing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's cer it's certainly possible I mean , but they {disfmarker} we we're going beyond w w",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bu Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "given the state of the technology {vocalsound} we want something that we kno we know will will work um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well you can still i incorporate the voice with with less buttons . I mean {vocalsound} uh if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that and {disfmarker} or do voice commands , and {vocalsound} either volume thing could also be to scroll through other options like y and you could scroll through brightness",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and and sc",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then you can you can minimise the buttons",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I suppose I sup",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and still have those , you know , brightness and tint and stuff .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If we we're {disfmarker} I mean {vocalsound} I'm getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I guess we could have a menu button as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could have the channels and the power and then a menu button and then the volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So have four buttons and the volume instead of three buttons and the volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , if we if we're going down that route , then we need some sort of display . Do we need some sort of display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the television would be the display",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We actually use the television , okay . Okay , okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's on the T_V_ , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} things like that usually c pop up on a televi like you hit menu",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and then y",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness , and you'd use the scroll , scroll through it yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I mean",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "on a {disfmarker} onto like a mouse , the ru the scrolling button , is actually a button as well , you could press it , you could press that and have it as a menu button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , press that is t",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I never understood how that worked though ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , that might work .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's like um {disfmarker} yeah , it's like the mouse where you just kinda click it . You just press it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and you could just click that to {disfmarker} so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , oka yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know what I mean ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah . Okay , we got five minutes to go in this meeting ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so um I d I think we've actually very conveniently just uh come to uh a good point to s to sum up um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So um b b Kate and Kendra now go away and uh pa play play with a bit of Plasticine or play-dough ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Play with play-dough . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "whatever it is on the other side of the Atlantic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and actually put what we've discussed into something uh {disfmarker} I was gonna say concrete ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but that's a slightly inappropriate word {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um to something that we can we can see and um Andrew n can go away and th th think about how we can uh actually market this as a concept and not j not just a uh um a a simple remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh can I just get some things clear just for {vocalsound} my sake .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , certainly , of course .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Our energy source is gonna be",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think I think we decided that we're gonna {disfmarker} for",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "long term .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "for simplicity of , you know , manufacturing and uh maintenance that we will go for a a long term battery source um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} you know , on the basis that um that , you know , if we're going for making it a fashion statement , then uh people are more likely to change it anyway uh before i it runs out and um {vocalsound} make an assumption that we we can aim for a battery that will last most people for uh we'll say at least five five ten years",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that we'll w we will guarantee it for for five years um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we're having a custom chip ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We're having a a custom chip , but given the the {disfmarker} we've cut the functions down , um that will hopefully not be too problematic , but given that um technol technological innovation is important ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "then we need to , I'll say it again , technologically innovate .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and uh we we , know , we must resist any efforts to uh to try and water that down um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And interchangeable case ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I i interchangeable case seems to be um {vocalsound} um important to the concept .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um it it should be cheap , you know , if if we avoid any , you know , electrical connections .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh i you know , i if we can come up with some way of of allowing people to actually personalise it uh to whatever they want , then uh {disfmarker} I mean uh uh this is totally new .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We d we don't know whether that {disfmarker} to what extent people do it or not , but if they've at least got a a good selection of um covers that they can use anyway , and uh and if if we can keep them , you know , rolling , then uh {disfmarker} you know , so they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to um a any of the famous supermarkets , I won't mention any mention any names ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um it's uh it's good for the supermarket",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it's good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh are we gonna have it il being illuminated from inside onto the buttons or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um the {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} I mean that's {disfmarker} no , because we've got so few buttons that it {disfmarker} that actually makes that redundant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , does actually , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think so too .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and especially for making them so like different and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm different to feel ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , that that solves one of the problems of b of battery life , 'cause that would {disfmarker} well that would clobber the battery life ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so no , I mean given the nature of the buttons we're having , it's actually uh uh unnecessary I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are we having it that it's any angle , or is it just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} As uh as wide",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} cer certainly wider angle than than current ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As wide as possible .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that if you're holding it , you know , anyway like you're likely to and uh it's uh {vocalsound} you know , i i it will work most of the time um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like this or like this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not like my my mum who points it at the ceiling and wonders why the th th the television doesn't work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah , I mean I d I th I sorta envisaged that if if this was the the thing , then sort of the the whole of the top would be the uh the infrared uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , kinda like this whole {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you could use like this and it would go {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause I mean the r reality is people are {vocalsound} {disfmarker} they're gonna be looking at the television whilst they're using it , the chances are , so if if they're holding it anyway , the they're reasonably likely to be holding it to use it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "then uh then that that's the sort of coverage that we want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , d we're all clear where we go from here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , sounds good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so thank you very much indeed and I'll s see you all again in thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
ES2012d
|
Product
|
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"5",
"138"
]
],
"topic": "Remote control prototype"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"139",
"161"
]
],
"topic": "Financial status of the project"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"162",
"294"
]
],
"topic": "Evaluation criteria of remote control"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"295",
"326"
]
],
"topic": "Evaluation of teamwork results"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This is the last meeting of the design group. At first, Industrial Designer introduced the remote control prototype to the group. It included buttons for channel change, power, menu and also had a slider for volume, an infra-red section and a microphone. The cover was interchangeable with a company logo on it. It was also made of a rubbery material and could stretch over. Then Project Manager went through the costs of various aspects of design and argued that a slight compromise could be made as the remote control would be a fashion accessory and have interchangeable covers. After that, Marketing specifically summed up the evaluation criteria of remote control. Finally, Project Manager concluded and praised the teamwork results.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer introduced the prototype to the team. It included buttons for channel change, power, menu and also had a slider for the volume, an infra-red section and a microphone. The cover was interchangeable with a company logo on it. User Interface added that the holes for the buttons to come through would be plastic, while the cover would be made of rubber. The final product would stand up and could stretch over.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about remote control prototype.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"5",
"138"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface proposed that the cover should be made of rubber and could stretch over. Project Manager agreed but asked Industrial Designer to broaden it out.",
"query": "What did the group think about the cover when discussing remote control prototype?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"35",
"81"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The remote control would be moulded to the shape of the hand when people held it. On the left there was a slider for the volume, and on the right there were several buttons. The power key would be the biggest so that people knew how to turn on the television. There would also be a microphone for all the voice commands.",
"query": "What details did Industrial Designer give when introducing remote control prototype?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"5",
"26"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing believed that the remote control should be: fashionable; technologically innovative; easy to use; suitable for the customer; not complicated; functional; not inclined to cause RSI. Project Manager agreed and added that it should not take long to learn to use.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about evaluation criteria of remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"162",
"294"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager thought it would attract older people who couldn't manage the buttons as they would probably prefer speech recognition. However, Industrial Designer believed it tended to appeal more to younger aged groups as the team had gone with the fashion focus but then proposed that it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody.",
"query": "What age groups did the team think would the device appeal to when discussing evaluation criteria of remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"221",
"236"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer agreed that the remote control should be fashionable, technologically innovative and suitable for customers and proposed that fewer buttons could make the handle more ergonomically correct.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think about the remote control in the discussion of its evaluation criteria?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"172",
"216"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right well . Welcome to the {disfmarker} what should be the last of these meetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a good job here and uh we'll just go through the the final uh the final details . Um okay , oh the um th the the minutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read , um {disfmarker} Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the um th the the next uh thing we we we'll have a look at the uh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh uh just tidy up with production and um and then we can close . Um So f if if you'd like to uh present your your proposals .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand , basically . Um on the left we've got the scroll for the volume , on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda {disfmarker} so you can hold it and scroll , or you can hold it and and push .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh this is the power key , um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that's the little menu key . This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or if you hold it up like that it'll send it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , good , good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you can you know talk to it like that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it'll still understand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um the logo is down down there um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {gap} has the cover on it",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you can see like it just kinda goes {disfmarker} the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everything",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , yep ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then there's holes for the buttons to come through . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "just kind of a light {vocalsound} non-descript grey",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so that people'll wanna buy the covers",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} showing me age ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so they kinda just stretch over .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what i c iPod covers are like .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of {disfmarker} it's just kind of a rubbery {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that way {disfmarker} you know",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "spongy like is something that people wanted",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yep , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it just sort of stretches over",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you . This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just kinda stretch it over",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it'll be fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , good yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it'll just stay on",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then the buttons come through and so {disfmarker} and then the {disfmarker} each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the R_R_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Li that'll be {gap} the covers as well , yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean tha it's it's a detailed point , I just wondered {disfmarker} I mean h how will people put these down I wonder ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay {gap} for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd put them down vertically",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it could stand , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we could broaden the {disfmarker} broaden it out a bit",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , uh no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it would stand like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because {gap} particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion item",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} standing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point , but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we could just widen it out uh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option and if if say if they've got them um {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because {gap} actually have several {gap} upon the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could have one for your stereo , one for your {gap} D_V_ player .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Have to {disfmarker} if we just lengthen it I guess",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it comes down to the base of the hand",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but that that's uh {disfmarker} but uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then flatten it out",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and could sit there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the the the overall uh the overall concept is uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {vocalsound} mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or just make it little .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Somewhere like that",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "no no , I mean that's {disfmarker} these uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it just sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We might {gap} have to lengthen it",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I kinda had a a kinda {disfmarker} a natural kind of a idea",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it kinda {disfmarker} your hand still holds it and have it there ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah , yeah like that , like that {gap} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "where it's like more of a kind of {disfmarker} like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bu",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , kinda like that kinda {gap} like a flower or a plant",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But uh yeah {disfmarker} but no th but the {disfmarker} yeah the the the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "for the more natural kinda {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The final product would actually stand up , yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean it it's uh {disfmarker} wouldn't",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} fall over .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "wouldn't do that , indeed yeah . But th th but th yeah th b the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "these were all minor minor uh minor details ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . 'S a little longer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and the {disfmarker} i",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wee {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it certainly meets our criteria of being uh {disfmarker} of you know looking different .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , so",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "good that's that that's excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um right let us um What's on the next one ? Oh right yes , let's have a look at the um f finance . Um , now we're given a a clear design brief , uh if I {gap} get the uh spreadsheet up . Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , {vocalsound} just click there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh the the maximise button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . Ah . Good , this is why we need to make these things simple so that the uh the the the boss can understand .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now I've um {vocalsound} this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of design and I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us , um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colours , then that is not a special colour , that's a that's a standard colour . Uh , so we're just simply on batteries , the the one th the one decision I've had to make is that um we're {vocalsound} we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they are around so , um that I don't think is a a serious problem . The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay . Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um l to make 'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets . Um it's simply made of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole {gap} the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there . Um and uh we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um {vocalsound} slider so um and the and the the buttons are uh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour . Anyway the the costings uh come in at {disfmarker} exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi I think we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um {vocalsound} any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so uh um you know the {disfmarker} if if if the management expect us to be techno {gap} again {gap} fail again {disfmarker} technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh the constraints that they give ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forward and uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget . Um . Okay , uh . So um . Does anybody want to uh {disfmarker} uh Andrew do you want {disfmarker} what do you want to say about um the uh yeah the evaluation",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Evaluation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "where where you know well where where we're where where we're at ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The {vocalsound} the product or the project ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the the well the {disfmarker} I meant the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , well well my presentation just now ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure , uh can I get the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry yeah um , mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm . More loud clicks in the microphone .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cheers . {vocalsound} There we go , oh . Method of evaluation {vocalsound} testing the product was to just {gap} if it met all the criteria {disfmarker} all the conditions that we set out to set out to solve , from the point of view of the the consumer and the management . So what I've been asked to do is , on the whiteboard",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um gauge our team response to these questions . So , on a scale of one to seven , one being true and seven being being false .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Seven being a nice round number to work to .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . And then at the end just take an average",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tr On for true and seven for flase . Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh . {vocalsound} So , look at these questions . Is the device f flashy and fashionable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I think most definitely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I'd say definitely a one yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it is yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker} and also uh technologically innovative ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes the voice technology indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , defi yeah , yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Easy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't see we could've made it any easier .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh suitable for the consumer ? That was um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Totally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah definitely .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think it made {disfmarker} we met all of the consumer",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wants .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh is it complicated ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Doing pretty well so far aren't we ? {vocalsound} Uh functional ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah definitely .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} Where are we ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} found easily . {gap} yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We've b built in the the speech , where are you , function .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean that's that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does it take long to learn to use ? Shouldn't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , not at all .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . And uh , what else ? {vocalsound} The R_S_I_ compares to the current standards ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Less buttons so it must be .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "well . We we",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh yeah it was our {disfmarker} it was a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it is sorta the the handle more ergonomically correct as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we made an actual effort to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So yeah , um um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um will device appeal to all age groups ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it will because I mean uh old older people who can't manage the buttons anyway will actually probably like the like like the voice bit so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh that's a good call , yeah . Well we had the we had the data {gap} saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the funct the increased functionality , {vocalsound} the e ease of use of the device might make up for that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's it's it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "well I don't think we're actually charging a particular premium anyway , in the end , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I I think it will tend to appeal more to younger aged groups",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "just 'cause we have gone with the fashion focus",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the younger people tend to {disfmarker} would be more conscious of that aspect of it , but um I think it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It will appeal f for dif for different reasons but it's it's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think just the simplicity of it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I I {disfmarker} yeah I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "not having to learn to programme",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and not having you know a million buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so I think we can reasonably say it's another another one ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "why not ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh can you just click the my mouse to move onto next page ? Uh , yeah and what h did we make the management's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} in in in in my interpretation of management's instructions uh is that yes it it meets the requirement",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is t it's television only ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's it's simple to use ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um it's it's it's within budget ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Under the cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um I {disfmarker} it's uh {disfmarker} yes an an any minor points we we we argue .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So uh I I think we've done an amazing job",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well done us {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} coming up with what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So uh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven . Eleven divided by {vocalsound} eleven's one so {vocalsound} equals average of one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Need a need a calculator for that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that roughly concludes my evaluation of the of the product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} nick the cable back then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh no",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mixed up the colours a little bit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think I {gap} all wrong .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ooh . Right do um either of you want to uh say anything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Before I uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ps I don't think so ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I think we worked well together",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and you know , seemed to discuss things pretty well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and come to group consensus and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well that's right , I mean th this this slide here I mean the satisfaction with uh room for creativity , I mean",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we've allowed ourselves uh as much creativity as the uh the the the product uh allows .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um I won't comment on leadership , uh teamwork I think we've uh {disfmarker} I think everybody's uh worked pretty well together .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we've just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens , uh I think the results speak for itself",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and new ideas found , um , again gi no given relatively everyday product , I think we've v very uh very effectively come up with a a new uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh a new approach . Um are the costs within budget ? Yes . Is the project evaluated ? We're we're all happy that it it meets all the criteria , um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you very much indeed , I think that {disfmarker} I think that's uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool , thank you {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we can go f for an early bath .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I call the meeting closed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2013a
|
Product
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"answer": "Project Manager introduced the agenda of the meeting, and the group became acquainted with each other. The selling target of the remote control would be set as four million. The group discussed industrial design, working design including the theme of Hello Kitty and bright colours. They also decided that the remote control was only for television, and its technical functions must be simple and marketing the user requirements specification.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "The preliminary aim of the profit was fifty million Euros. The setting price was twenty-five Euros each remote control, and therefore the profit was twelve and a half Euros per item. To reach the profit goal of fifty million, Marketing set a sales figure of four million.",
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"answer": "The setting price of each remote control that Project Manager proposed was twenty-five, but Marketing had doubts about the profits. Marketing wasn't sure that if the mark-up of fifty percent is normal for a product, and preferred sixty percent.",
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"74",
"78"
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"answer": "Project Manager thought that setting the selling target was of high importance for a big international company making marketing plans including sales target.",
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"90"
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"answer": "User Interface presumed that the remote control was only for the television, and suggested that the technical functions should be simple and removed the superfluous functions. They also suggested setting the theme of the remote control as Hello Kitty, and making it in bright colours.",
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"answer": "User Interface argued that the simplicity of the remote control of high importance, which means superfluous functions such as subtitles and mute should be removed from the remote control and be controlled through the menu.",
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"answer": "User Interface held the same opinion as Industrial Designer that different remote controls that were incompatible with each other brought inconvenience to users. User Interface still presumed that this remote control was only for television.",
"query": "Why did User Interface agree with Industrial Designer's opinion when discussing the adapted product of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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{
"content": "Is this okay ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah . Fine now . Oh , it's not liking us , it went that-a-way . Computer adjusting . Oh . Uh . Okay . {vocalsound} So . Right . You ready back there ? {vocalsound} Uh okay . Welcome everyone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day . Um we're the new group uh to create a new remote control for Real Reaction . As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting , um become acquainted with each other , um have a little training on tools , uh create a plan , discuss things and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total . Okay . The new remote control is to be original , trendy and user-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is the user-friendliness . The originality um is gonna take all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at {disfmarker} for some marketing research information from you , Sarah . Um and we'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have a functional design individual work um with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design . Okay ? Right . Everybody's supposed to try out the whiteboard . Kate , why don't you try it first , if you can either bring your things with you , I guess {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces , hang on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh right , so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you have to be able to recognise what animal it is ? {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh I do not think so ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Are we all gonna draw a cat ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's just to try out the whiteboard . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Only animal I could thin I could draw {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great . And the characteristics ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um {disfmarker} the whiskers I think , um because they're the easiest to draw .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In fact , I'll give it some more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , and the tail",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don't you do yours next , Steph . I think it's to get us used to using the pen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh no . {vocalsound} A mouse-y ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a mouse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's not a mouse-y , no .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No it's not a mouse . It's a wombat .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a ratty .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Argh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A what ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Rat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A ratty .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not a mouse , a rat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A webbed foot . Webbed f {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's clothes . That's it's clothes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And your favourite characteristics of that animal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I love whiskers . Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky {vocalsound} and uh fantastic pets",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and very friendly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Kate ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , a fish .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Gosh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A shark ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw than cat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} this is very representational fish . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I like them because they're sleek",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Favourite characteristics ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n uh swim in groups ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So they have team elements . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you have a favourite one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm afraid I'm with Steph . And I think your pen's running out of whatever . But I'm afraid I take the coward's way out , and the cat's looking the other way . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "He's hiding .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um cats are sometimes very independent . My parents had cats . Uh and they can mm decide for themselves what is best . Okay . Now um {vocalsound} we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold {disfmarker} um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros , with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros . That tells you something about how many um we have to sell on an international scale . Um would be an awful lot of these , would be like what , a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one and to make a total profit of fifty million . Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item . Now if they cost twelve and a half , you're selling it for twenty five , you're making twelve and a half Euros each . Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million , that's t uh {disfmarker} can you do the maths and how many are we selling ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh yeah . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if that's the um {disfmarker} If fifty percent is normal {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mark-up ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "B yeah . Um I would think would be more like sixty percent . But um let me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have two thoughts . One hundred , fifty percent .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And and your question is how many do we have to sell ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , 'cause our market um is international and your problem is {disfmarker} has to do with marketing of {disfmarker} you know , you gotta know how many we're going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At twenty five . Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's four million of them ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something like that ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's fifty million Euros . In order to make fifty million Euros , and you're only getting twelve and a half each {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And if we make {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's a lot of selling . Two four {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Four million .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To be fifty , be four million . You'd have to sell four million .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? Right . Experience with a remote control . Any of you use of remote control for a television or D_V_D_ or something ? You're both nodding ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That that that's the sorta product we're talking about , one that will work for a {disfmarker} in a home environment , for a T_V_s and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "all three . Well I've seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time , but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi this three and then this one over here for another .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is true that you always sit around {disfmarker} you know , you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something , there's five different remotes , and one for the D_V_D_ and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Y yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And they don't always talk to each other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Don't know . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are there any um ideas for the remote ? What would it be for and what group would be be for ? We have to think about that one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We could make a Hello Kitty",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "themed remote .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think one in b bright colours would be good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think one that works would be good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could totally go for the Japan-a-mation . Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great {vocalsound} products . Electrical {disfmarker} their industrial design is very good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think one that doesn't have lots of superfluous functions . Like I've got one at home that has well , apart from the obvious , channels , channel up , channel down , volume ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know , subtitles , mute , there's a lotta buttons that I've got no idea what they do , like {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's a really good point ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because I think one of the things that {disfmarker} being somewhat computer literate , we tend to um go to menus and then make choices , you know , so if it's like an uh volume button , you know , you can go in and say mute or or volume . We don't need to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . We can make it smart like an iPod , you know , make everything menus .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , closing the meeting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um I know this sounds like it was very quick ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was quick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but the I think that's the industrial design is the first one ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's Kate , for the working design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And user , that's you S Steph , for the technical functions design , and for marketing the user requirements specification . I think there's going to be a lot of {disfmarker} we have to help each other and work through this as a group , and I think we all , you know , {vocalsound} we like our kitty-cat and our rat and our fish , but I think we all have to like each other um to get this done . Uh as it says , we're gonna get individual instructions , but uh I don't think they allowed a lot of extra time , so I think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead . Do you all agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um then I don't see any reason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right now and go into other things . Alright , so this is the end of the first meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The meeting mainly focused on the functional design of the remote control. After Project Manager reviewed the last meeting briefly, Marketing made a presentation about re-envisioning the menu functionality, current technology, and interaction with other tools of the remote control by discarding unnecessary buttons and adding the speech recognition to the remote control according to market research. User Interface argued that they should discard the existing standard, and only keep the basic and user-friendly functions like channel selection, volume and enter key. The group then discussed the source of power whether to have a charger or solar power. Although solar energy was fancy and environmentally friendly, the cost was much higher than using a charger. The group faced some difficulty when deciding the target group whether for the young end or for the lower end of the age range who have more money than sense. In the next part, the group reached a consensus in terms of the keys of the remote control, which is power, channel, volume, enter, number.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "Marketing tried to re-envision the remote control about the menu functionality, the current technology and the interaction with other tools based on the market research. Marketing suggested discarding unnecessary buttons and made a fancier remote control. They could also use the technology of speech recognition to help build the interaction.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the menu function and interaction with other tools of the remote control.",
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"17",
"83"
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]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing held the opinion that they had to make some change on the button. According to the market research, fifty percent of users dislike the current look and feel of remote control, and only use ten percent of the buttons. More importantly, eighty percent would spend more money on a fancy remote control. The research showed that it was the time to discard some unnecessary buttons and made it fancier.",
"query": "What did Marketing think about the menu functionality when discussing the menu function and interaction with other tools of the remote control?",
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"25",
"26"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The market research showed that many people were dissatisfied with the current remote control. Therefore, it was necessary to bring new technology into the product, which could also help to get positive marketing for other tools.",
"query": "According to Marketing, why was the revolution of interaction necessary?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"26",
"34"
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]
},
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"answer": "User Interface argued that they should discard the existing standard, and only keep the basic and user-friendly functions like channel selection, volume and enter key. Then they talked about the conflicts between technology and price. The application of some high technology such as speech recognition and solar energy would add to the cost. Therefore, to ensure the low price of the remote control, they had to think it over when deciding whether to use speech recognition. It was also difficult for the group to select between solar energy and charger. Although solar energy was fancy and environmentally friendly, the cost was much higher than using a charger. Finally, Marketing suggested making the remote control a dock to place it.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the functions and source of the power of the remote control.",
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"84",
"238"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Solar energy was not so convenient for users when using remote control at night. because it would be hard for it to store up energy. In addition, Industrial Designer had questions about the cost of adding solar energy to the remote control.",
"query": "Why did Industrial Designer reject the idea of using solar energy as the source of power?",
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"197",
"213"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer argued that although Industrial Designer appreciated the idea of speech recognition, it was not practical and affordable to put the technology of speech into a cheap mass-produced device.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think about the technology of speech recognition when discussing the functions and source of the power of the remote control?",
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"145",
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{
"content": "Uh it fell off . One , two , three , four , yeah , we're ready . Okay . Welcome to this second meeting . Um it's now quarter after twelve and we're given forty minutes um for this meeting . This is a meeting on functional design . Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between . Um I did {disfmarker} took the minutes from the first meeting and I'll show them to you in a moment . Um I know each of you have a presentation and um in thinking about the forty minutes , I thought it would take only like three minutes for the previous minutes , um each of you having about seven minutes or maybe a little more , maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion , because there's {disfmarker} I happen to have been told there were some new project requirements and we have to make some uh decision on what functions it will have . Okay ? Is this ap everybody agree with this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um and after the meeting there'll be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch , um and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions . {vocalsound} Um but uh now for the minutes of the first meeting . And go to that one . Um as you can see it was this earlier today . Um Kate , Steph , Sarah and myself in our four capacities were present . I opened the meeting , the product was developed uh and reviewed , and we talked about the financial end of it . Um and it had some implications , um the four million sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons , bright colours and some of the influence of the Japanese . And we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting {vocalsound} Anybody have any questions on those minutes ? Are they complete , did they discuss everything that we covered last time ? 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I think so ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did I miss something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm afraid I incorporated {vocalsound} that when I said who was present , but {disfmarker} yes , we did ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we did a little bit of uh team building of uh of making the pictures ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , I accept the minutes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I didn't think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily . So um as a group I think we've {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} they're accepting the minutes . And uh {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that what we're supposed to say ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good . Um , then we'll move to the three presentations . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm we need to move this . Who wants to go f first ? {vocalsound} That's as far as it goes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh not really meant to touch those microphones . Oh it doesn't have any on , does it ? That's fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Excellent , thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oy , big loop under the table .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "She said we didn't need to screw it in .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay , that looks good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's doing its thing . There we are .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Thank you very much . Um . One of the the biggest issues I found about um from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell four million of these um remote controls and I think that this is an opportunity to really take Real Reaction in the direction of of similar {disfmarker} of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessible um useful electronic device , as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you . So um my main goal here is to re-envision the remote control in in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools . Um some of the research uh in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now , and um that means we do need to make some decisions about what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard . And if we devote some energy into this , I think the um recent productions of Real Reaction , the I go everywhere power and the high definition D_V_D_ players {disfmarker} although it makes immediate sense to {vocalsound} have our remote control interact with these , I think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools . And um in fact I think the high definition D_V_D_ players and all of this will come along in the uh {disfmarker} will only benefit from the positive feedback {vocalsound} from our well designed tool . So again , most uh users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls . Um {vocalsound} fifty percent {disfmarker} I think of all these uh numbers the most important is fifty percent of user say they only use ten percent of the buttons . And eighty percent of users , and if we think about this {vocalsound} there are a lot of uh television , D_V_D_ , stereo remote control users out there , eighty percent would spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Could {disfmarker} can I ask where these figures come from , is this market research we've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um it was market research and there were a hundred people in the room , so eighty out of a hundred said they would spend more money .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now in between , as the Project Manager , they sent me an email from the powers that be",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um that teletext is outdated um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and the internet is coming in as important , but that they want this remote control to only be for T_V_ um with incorporating the corporate image , colour and slogan .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Well I think we can {disfmarker} I I think we can really focus on this remote and and again bring the Real Reaction um brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools , even if we directly don't um advertise {vocalsound} for the I go everywhere line .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So an interesting um element was the would you pay more for speech recognition question . So these market research uh uh questionnaires {vocalsound} looked into your your uh concern about technology",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and s specifically wanted to find out information about speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now the early adopters , those of us who grew up with technology and uh luck lucky for us have the uh cash to to pay for it , the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities , ninety one percent of them {vocalsound} would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . Very interesting , I I leave this up to the group to decide if we wanna use this uh if {disfmarker} and you know , the the designers ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but ninety one percent , fifteen to twenty five {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that a large enough target market to target it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I I I think {disfmarker} especially in terms of growth , I think this would be a very smart group to target . I mean s three quarters of the next age group , twenty five to thirty five are interested , and uh with the technologies improving , if we can get these uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In real numbers , does the ninety one percent and the seventy six percent translate to ex in excess of the four million ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . To {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or eight million .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . But would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did I know that it was it was an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's a that's a very good question .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if speech recognition should be um should be included ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I think it's an interesting {disfmarker} I think that maybe shows more about uh being open to technology .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it definitely needs uh a lot more research",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Shall I go back ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "on like how much more it would be and any , you know , existing examples ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and what reactions to them have been , and that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How d I'm wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of these things . I expect an Industrial Designer should know that , but if we're aiming to to build this thing for twelve Euros fifty , um is that a lot or a little ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . I mean I I I uh did not receive any information on that , but I think the competition , sussing out what other people are doing and what's in the pipeline is very very important , because um there is a question about do you want an L_C_D_ screen and and that wasn't responded to , but uh some of the larger remotes do have screens where you can navigate , you know , so it turns into something {disfmarker} uh perhaps you all have seen uh the Osbournes where Ozzy Osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a uh a small tray .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sh surely he's in the wrong age group .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's {disfmarker} I a and I think , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "He must be w one of a s small population . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , no ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you {disfmarker} Kate , you're exactly right there . {vocalsound} But I think the key is to get the early adopters , people who are familiar with technology and and uh they'll be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we're not looking at whether they're early adopters on that screen ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's looking at age groups .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . I {vocalsound} yes , and I'm making and I'm making the the uh uh leap that people who are familiar {disfmarker} younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people . Or comfortable ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Leap . {vocalsound} Hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , um so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , you had the other power channel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist , power , channel , volume and everything else is is uh up to the designers . {vocalsound} And this is this is also supported by the market research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thank you . That's my contribution .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright . And we'll turn to the next presentation . I think she said we don't need to screw it in , just stick it in . And then press , what ? F F_N_ and F_ eight . Next to the control button on the bottom , and then F_ eight at the top .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , press them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then w be patient . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , here we go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Tada .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And if you want it to go into slide show mode , it's that little button there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Can I not just uh do each one in order ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I you can if you like , it it {disfmarker} that that just sets it up to do a p a p",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There we are . Yay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "no that one , that one there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Left , left a bit , left a bit , that one , yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That ? Right , technical functions design . Uh well I think first off , basically I do agree with what Sarah has defined as as uh your personal preferences,yeah . I think we need uh a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions . So my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have . And what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions uh pretty much the same as what existing remotes have . If we can build on this with the speech recognition , that's not something I'd thought about at all , but it's also something we can discuss .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and and I presume we can miss out the functions really to to a video or D_V_D_ remote control , if this is only gonna be a , you know , satellite , cable , T_V_ remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "T_V_ only .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So these are two models of existing remote controls . Uh the one on the left seems to be a fairly uh standard universal remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ugh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It has fast-forward , stop , play , all relating to movies . It also has {disfmarker} seems to have channel up and channel down , which is which is more what you'd expect from a , you know , like a Sky or cable remote control",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "where you've got hundreds of channels instead of a merely terrestrial one . Uh but I think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right , which has {disfmarker} it also has play , stop and pause and everything , I don't think we need them at all . I think we just need channel selection , volume up , volume down and I think an an enter function where you can access {disfmarker} it's not like teletext , but along the same lines , access things on the screen . Uh not related to the internet one that you mentioned , because that'd be far outside our budget and what we want this to do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . And exceed the requirements they're expecting of us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it really exceed the requirements , 'cause the requirements really are just {disfmarker} want to be able to change channels and functions , which is more a text on the screen thing than uh than actual buttons",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "o I was thinking something {disfmarker} some smooth , sleek , little remote control with big user-friendly buttons and uh a menu that you can access .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh but then I do think we need to discuss the speech um recognition possibility .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Any uh thing else you wanna add ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we could go back to the pictures of the {disfmarker} uh , what're they called ? The pictures of the remote controls and possibly discuss what we think about them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} maybe should hear what Kate has to say first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Let's hear what Kate has to say .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe afterwards we could do a uh whiteboard with that {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} the one on the right as a as a basis .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whiteboard session .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the white {disfmarker} that one on the right is , as well as less cluttered , {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Definitely less cluttered and {disfmarker} I mean but still it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's there",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was just {disfmarker} I'll just uh resume something else I was gonna say .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the style of these is terrible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I I really think we need to uh not only possibly even materials , like the type of plastic used , but everything including size and shape of buttons , positioning of buttons , the actual shape of the hand-held device , colours , just every e yeah , everything to do with this has to be revolutionised . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The ergonomics , the way it fits in your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's that for now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cheers . Mm , I haven't actually got a display on my screen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Still , I'll do without that . Okay um , now I wanna bring us down to earth again I'm afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work . {vocalsound} Um oh and this is the methodology I used in preparing for this meeting . Um basically I've been doing a little bit of web-based research , {vocalsound} and if I had a design team , I would've been discussing my ideas with 'em . But the the net result is that I've come up with a first cut for the working design that I'd like to discuss with you . So , let's go back to what the basic function of a remote control is . It's for sending a message , um typically um via infrared . {vocalsound} And the the basic components we've got to build in for our twelve Euros fifty are um an energy source , the user interface and {disfmarker} which will um in incorporate um an integrated circuit that actually composes the message um based on what the {disfmarker} which buttons the user presses , we turn that into a message , um and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver . Now I would have hoped {disfmarker} I think that's my only slide actually , yeah . I would have have hoped to um do you a pretty PowerPoint slide of um my first cut design , but unfortunately the technology defeated me , so if you'll bear with me I'll do it on the whiteboard . {vocalsound} So we want an energy source which is there . And we've got to think about what that might be .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we obviously don't want wires on this thing . Uh typically it would be a battery , but I'm open to suggestions . {vocalsound} Um and then we have the the user interface . Oops . And the main components in there are the the th the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message , which it then transfers to some sending mechanism , which encodes it and sends the message to the receiver . So those are the basic things that we've got to get in for our twelve Euros fifty . {vocalsound} Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound} Okay . Right . But those things {disfmarker} as long as we can get those components , the block , that that rectangle for the user interface , is where the user comes in of {disfmarker} what what does it look like ? What do the buttons look like ? Uh what does it feel like ? That's where the user interface is really coming into its own .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The technical end is what's actually gonna be in there , but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong . For example the battery energy source or um what if the chip , for whatever reason , breaks down after a certain amount of time , do you just replace it ? Um is there any um {disfmarker} because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces , like for D_V_D_s , movies , whatever . Um does it have to have a a way of being segregated from the others , in a different frequency or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I may be wrong here , but I'd been thinking of this device as being a a cheap mass-produced device . We're trying to sell four million of 'em ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um that's that's , you know , that's almost one in every tenth household or whatever it is . Um and I hadn't thought of it as being a reparable thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you just {disfmarker} if it goes wrong you chuck it out , and that's why I'm a bit concerned . I like the idea of speech recognition , that's a great idea , but I'm not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that we need {disfmarker} gonna need to hit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoop .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we have um ki some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Isn't that your job ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the chip composer marketing . Oh no , the chip composer sender .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . What they cost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I'm I'm I'm hoping that my personal coach is gonna {vocalsound} give me some advice on that , if you're asking me ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I don't believe I know , um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Be because then we would ha ha figure out how much we had to play with in terms of user interface and this look and feel idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It does it does seem as if we're just to do something really simple and mass-produced , the {disfmarker} which is pretty much the same as these existing models ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just maybe a little bit more inspired ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Inspired ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but basically just the same .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Although what what uh suddenly came into my head is , you know how they always take two A_A_ batteries which which is really not very efficient at all . Could it be possible to have uh , you know , like a rechargeable internal battery , like , well , like an M_P_ three player does ? With that you could jus or a mobile phone or whatever .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You could {disfmarker} you know , you just plug into a power source for a couple of hours , and then it's recharged for ages and ages and ages , and you don't have to worry with replacing A_A_ batteries ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that has another element , which is if every time you're done using the remote you put it on a charger , then you {disfmarker} then it has a place .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You'd never need uh batteries would y uh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it also has a place ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's not stuck down the back of the sofa .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But then again I d I don't know if this is within our price range or not .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's a really good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I uh think that's a very interesting idea , but um I'm not a very good industrial designer and I don't know much about what these things cost . {vocalsound} I'll do some research for the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well it's better than my idea about solar , probably . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well solar may not be so good when you're watching T_V_ in the night ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it is just so annoying how {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Depen",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It would have to sor store up the energy",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then use it . Solar can do that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We may be talking quite heavy then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "M yeah , that would be too heavy",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it'd cost too much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably {disfmarker} I mean it might cost more to {disfmarker} at first to develop and to install ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but for long-term use it'll be so much more convenient and economic than fiddling around trying to replace chunky A_A_ batteries and not having any in your kitchen drawer",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So do you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Definitely ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause I'm thinking in terms of um uh {vocalsound} the {vocalsound} loss and breakage of um remotes , how much of that is is to do with it not really having a uh a home , a um a nest , a place to live ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sort of have its little dock that you could put it in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if you can dock it , um you know , you could s argue that this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the dock could look very fancy and that could be your inspiration of having it looking decent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Still I don't know if it's quite within our price range .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'Cause you are talking about another component , like another piece of hardware .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we agreed as to what our target group is though ? Pretty much , so that we'd be looking for the younger end .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I I brought up some {disfmarker} exactly , but I think you raised some good questions about are there enough of these people out there , or are they making purchasing decisions ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I was wondering that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "these are the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because I ag I agree that there there're people with uh how can I put it , more money than sense and who are liable to buy {vocalsound} something new ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I s usually put more money than brains .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Bu but what I was gonna say was , although they they may be buying um , you know , personal music devices and all that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh oh oh I'll make a note of that , Kate . Good , good comment .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "are they necessarily buying T_V_ remote controls ? Because they probably live in a household that has a T_V_ if they're at the lower end of the age range ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It might be good to know um uh who , you know , who's actually buying televisions and are we in a uh uh s region where people have more than one television in a home ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think we've got a big hill to climb here , haven't we ? I mean we've gotta persuade people who've got a remote control 'cause it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or do we s make sure that it goes to the man through the manufacturer ? We sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , good point . Yeah , yeah okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's probably more what it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What would be a more efficient way of doing it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , and and some of our D_V_D_ players incidentally have them , because we have the relationship with our own department , but moreover we need to to go for the the manufacturers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We're not gonna get any resolutions by the end of the day ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Probably not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "are we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um the other thing that we're supposed to do is make decision on our functions . Our functions , we've so far decided , I think , that power , channel , volume make it attractive . Um it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys . It has to have big user-friendly buttons and sh n {vocalsound} definitely we wanna be inspired that the current {vocalsound} styles are just plain awful .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we need {disfmarker} um let me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that agreeable to everyone ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Br actually , um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the enter key {disfmarker} I have a chart here that I didn't include . Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you want the gizmo ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , which might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Throw some light on that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Th yeah , th those are {disfmarker} {vocalsound} felt like had a lot of charts . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um actually we're , you know , we are almost a half hour out of the forty minutes , so we have to get close to finishing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I I {disfmarker} my only comment is I think maybe um we could somehow include an enter key in like a power key if power power was enter and pow that was my only {disfmarker} just really in terms of streamlining .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Mm-hmm . Okay . Enter , power as a s oh um a sum simultaneous key .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Exactly . Again , you know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that okay with you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "thinking of menus or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would that {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "H how does that work ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was miles away .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How {disfmarker} so so how does that work ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was re I was reading the chart to be honest .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually wanna press enter ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if you're pressing enter , the the thing would already be on , and so maybe um when you press power , initially it turns it on , press power again and use that as an enter um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Then you'd have to have an off te off key .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you press power after you've um {disfmarker} well I was thinking maybe you {disfmarker} to turn it off you'd have to press power twice in succession ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yep , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power , and then that would make that choice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not getting a bit complicated ? Could granny do this ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or are we just not aiming at granny ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or y yeah . Or something that has a a turning dial , where at the far end is on or off . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Who's got an iPod then ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't {disfmarker} um I wish . Anyway , uh {vocalsound} that was the only comment about um some of the the decisions people have made , what's most important .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's definitely channel , volume , power .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , things like screen settings and audio settings , I would generally do them on the actual television itself ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like here you have a you know , a little flap th with a little control panel on the actual box itself .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I wouldn't know how to do it using a remote control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so um I would say that they are definitely less relevant .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well . Thanks for looking at that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess easy to use is the other thing that we want 'em to be able to do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "As you said , you know , don't make it too hard for the granny . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We don't wanna outsmart {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I just joined that set last week .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} first grandchild arrived .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Congratulations . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so are we agreed then of those things ? And let's go back to agenda",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "D",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and hook me up . Mm . This oughta be fun . It probably won't go the first time , it'll probably be like a g mess . Come on . Uh it lost it off here . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh you're fine . It's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , it was up there , but I couldn't see it down here . Mm . This time it should be both . There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How do you do that ? How do you make it do both ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um you have to keep doing the financi the the F_N_ and F_ eight to {disfmarker} five minutes to finish ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay , it toggles through ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "thank you a lot for telling me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um right ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think you have to cycle through .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we're ready to close . Um {gap} will be completed q questionnaire , um then we'll have some time for individual work to continue our research um and I'll put some minutes of this meeting together . Um your individual assignments are for um Kate to do the components , for you , Steph , to do the user interface and for you the trend-watching . Um and each of us will get help from our coach . Are we agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Then that's the end of this meeting . And I hope that's good enough for her {vocalsound} to tell her that's the end . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We didn't come to any sort of decision on the functions though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I think I went over the functions and wrote them down and marked them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , well that's fine then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um that's what I went over and nobody was objecting to them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um and you'd mentioned {disfmarker} I I was just gonna say , could you reiterate the new project requirements ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it {disfmarker} they were {disfmarker} it has to be for a T_V_ , just to keep myself {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um the teletext is outdated ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're still in meeting , aren't we ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the internet is important ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think I've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's only to be for a T_V_ and it must include the corporate image , colour and slogan um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which I think is more in the user uh range , with Steph .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Sorry , what what actually are these {disfmarker} is that the yellow and black ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't tell me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "From their {disfmarker} I'll just use it from their website .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
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"answer": "This meeting was a conceptual design meeting. In this meeting, the group mainly discussed the component, energy source, buttons, colours and styles of the remote control. They decided to use the kinetic as the energy source because of its convenience, light weight, fancy design and the good selling point of the environment, but they still needed more cost research. They also reached a final consensus to apply a hard plastic inner shell with a spongy plastic for the component, and push buttons for the type of interface due to their common features of convenience and user-friendliness.",
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"answer": "User Interface suggested a simple plastic remote control in yellow and black with few big buttons which could correspond to a screen on the television screen. But this idea of having a screen on the television screen was faced by Industrial Designer's objection. Industrial Designer preferred scroll buttons, and a simple but functional menu on the screen, and simple push buttons. In the end, they chose a push button for better feasibility.",
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{
"content": "Hi Kate . {vocalsound} Okay , carry on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just just carry on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright um this is the beginning of the third meeting , the conceptual design meeting . Um our agenda should be um that we're opening the meeting , I have {disfmarker} the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point . Um and we should each have a presentation to make . Um we have certain decisions to make and we have forty minutes total . It's twenty five after two at the moment , so forty minutes is five after three , {vocalsound} um which I'll be keeping an eye on the clock for us . Okay . {vocalsound} Um there are the decisions we have to turn to , but we'll come back to them in a minute after I take us to the minutes of the previous meeting . Right um as we remember , I opened the meeting , the four of us were present , the meeting {disfmarker} the first meeting's minutes were reviewed and approved . Um Sarah , you presented a marketing research report um which pretty much rep represented that fifteen to thirty five year olds uh it has to be hand-held , power , channel , volume , number keys , possibly a speech recognition . And then Steph did a second presentation um that those functions plus streamlining them with big user-friendly keys that were easy to use . I think all of us agreed with those things . Kate presented a working design of {disfmarker} going after {disfmarker} going over the basics on the whiteboard um that it should be a simple mass-produced device , because of the twelve and a half Pence cost . Um but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point . Um and the new requirements that it for {disfmarker} be for T_V_ only um and that it include the l so slogan and colour of the uh corporate design be included . Um {vocalsound} the corporate image . So we agreed that the target market would be fifteen to thirty five with more money than sense , that were decision makers . Alternatively it would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the T_V_ , but it still should meet those parameters . Um and that the function we agreed was volume , power , numbers , enter , channels , a way to move between channels , easy to use and hand-held . {vocalsound} Um at that point we agreed that Sarah would look at the current cost of competition , what what do the current ones sell for . Um and Steph was gonna look at ec ergonomics . Kate was gonna look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed . And I was to type up these minutes and work on the final report . Is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right . So we're ready to close that and go back to our {disfmarker} That one . Right . We're up to the point of the {disfmarker} Go back . Um {vocalsound} the three presentations . So we're going to pull the plug on me and turn to Sarah . Is that okay ? Is that alright with everybody else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Especially since Kate asked to be last . {vocalsound} Sarah , I'm sorry if I misspelled your name , I didn't know whether it was S_A_R_A_ or {vocalsound} S_A_R_H_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} I respond to either .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You respond to whatever you get , huh ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No worries .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , did you do your {disfmarker} Hit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah , there it is . Ta-da .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , first thing I want to address is um one of the points that Florence brought up , which was uh current cost of the competition devices , similar to the ones that Stephanie uh showed us and and they're uh twenty to sixty Euros , depending on uh branding .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end . But I think that with the current um price that we're searching for , we're well within , even on the lower end , of the uh of the market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I'm going to move on to more interesting um {vocalsound} more vibrant things . {vocalsound} So , I investigated the remote control market in greater detail , and my uh {disfmarker} the theme of what I was to work on was uh trend watch .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so you know , I'm just gonna try to cloak it in really professional terms here . What's hot , fruit and veg . Spongy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And this is all over the catwalks , Paris , Milan , and I'm talking about clothing , furniture , shoes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is really interesting change from past years ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because it is much more organic , um some would say approachable . {vocalsound} And I think if we're to refashion our view of what we want in a remote control , we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics and some of the bold colours into a simple handset . So . {vocalsound} I also did a little research on um {vocalsound} what again are the most important priorities in uh decision making about uh purchasing . Fancy . Functional is out . And f the fancy , and that's exactly the term , I'm I'm thinking polished , elegant , {vocalsound} you know , kind of innovative , but a cut above . This is twice as important as the next finding , which is technologically innovative . This is interesting , 'cause I think in the last meeting we were talking about technology as being so important , but maybe what's innovative is having it simple with um with uh technologically {vocalsound} superior fabrics or uh , you know , designed in interesting substances . Ease of use . Again , pretty low , I mean it's the top three , but each of the uh fancy and technologically innovative are far more important . So I think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of {vocalsound} fruit {vocalsound} fruit themed sleeves .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think that's a good idea . Don't you ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Y yeah , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It sounds like the the uh covers that they use for the remote , you know , your t your cell phone .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . {vocalsound} Exactly . I was thinking though that instead of having something uh like patterned , you know , so , you know , something similar to a summer dress . {gap} you know , it would have like fruit and veg , is that we actually make these spongy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They could be {disfmarker} ini initially I thought we could start with kind of um fruit that would suit kind of uh a long uh hand-held , so banana , pineapple and pear . Um it could actually {disfmarker} the sleeve could {vocalsound} take up a lot of the {vocalsound} development and the remote control , we'd just need to get reductionist on it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They could be interchangeable , they're spongy , that goes back to ergonomic , and the youngsters love 'em , fun for the whole family , everyone can have their own . So what we're talking about is changing . this concept . Everyone has a T_V_ remote , but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's what's hot on the catwalks . {vocalsound} So , this is my {disfmarker} This is what I'm thinking .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh mm . In most families , don't {disfmarker} isn't the remote {disfmarker} is a remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah , but I think I think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it {disfmarker} we all need a remote ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but the person who is really perhaps active in personalising , I'm thinking the teenager , the {disfmarker} someone fifteen to thirty five would go out and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So when your dad's sitting there , overriding your decision , going no we're gonna watch this , you can bring out your own remote and be like zap , no we're gonna watch this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . W and {vocalsound} plus I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Well actually some households do have three and four T_V_s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and they would have a remote for each one ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So this is an idea and I I {disfmarker} you know , this is exactly what the research has uh has shown . So I really open this up to uh any other feedback . This {vocalsound} spongy fruit and veg .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I think we're gonna have some trouble when we get down to the component design on this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . {vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Spongy is gonna be difficult , I'm afraid .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . {vocalsound} And as for as for um well budgeting as well , if we're gonna have lots of different interchangeable components .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I just have my ear to the market , guys . {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Is this {gap} to the market {gap} ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean basically we can make these things out of wood , titanium , plastic or rubber . I suppose rubber is the closest to spongy ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is spongiest , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That would add {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking titanium myself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking titanium , I was thinking it's just {disfmarker} I have been influenced by pictures of iPods , and they're also minimalist and shiny .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} They are and they they would fulfil the uh first um priority , which is fancy . I think many of us would associate those with fancy . Something else we could do is uh call it something that's fruit and veg oriented . We could call it uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The name .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate product ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well it would be uh a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to management",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it's kind of pointless , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That , you know , that might be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's delegate . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wo would that be agreeable ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then we could keep it titanium .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} W w would it be helpful if um I described the components a bit , because I think it would give you um {disfmarker} maybe bring this discussion back to Earth of what we can actually physically do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , maybe . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna be next or you want Kate to go next ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think possibly it might be more useful if Kate went next .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we'll move the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You can even have them in different flavours as well . {vocalsound} So that if you just wanna sit there and chew on the remote , it could be like pear flavour ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or s or smelly . Scratchy",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Scratch and sniff . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh well I was really thinking a lot about the I_ uh the iMac kind of gel gem tone .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's hot on the streets , guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I I think some of this um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you're gonna be a little disappointed with some of the things I have to tell you , but I'm afraid this is the real world . {vocalsound} So um I've been looking at the the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate , and I've had some discussions with the ma manufacturing division , who have told me what's actually available , you know , what the current state of the art in components is , and some of the exciting new things they've got , but I'm not sure that it's quite what you want um . Now this isn't a very good overhead , but this is just to show you , this is the innards of a remote control um . I really need a pen or something but uh {disfmarker} does my mouse work ? No . Um {disfmarker} oh yeah , can you see my little mouse pointer ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . This is this is the a a {vocalsound} a remote that's been opened up",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that's the the back of the interface . And this is a push-button one , so you see these little little buttons here , they're little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the the board at the back and they push these buttons here . Um {vocalsound} and we {disfmarker} that's the basic construction that we've got to got to accommodate . We got to have something that pushes the little buttons that um talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the the message to the receiver . So um I wan I wanna go through not not just addressing the um {vocalsound} uh the the points that you made , Sarah , but um {vocalsound} doing my presentation in the order I wrote it . {vocalsound} So first of all um I wanna talk about what possibilities we've got for the energy source .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um we can have your bog standard double double A_ batteries in a replaceable um little compartment . We can have a hand {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sorry {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A wind-up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a wind-up , yeah , {vocalsound} which I think is quite an interesting concept for a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sorry {disfmarker} for a remote control ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but i it maybe is {disfmarker} doesn't quite go with the um the fruit and veg .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um one that one that I think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Remember , we only have forty minutes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "where um {vocalsound} you you actually get the energy by moving the device ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which is quite a ni a nice and neat one . You have to {disfmarker} it means that if it's sitting there for a long time it probably won't work , but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now and then , it'll work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or we we had talked about solar power ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I thing that we agreed that that's not so good in the dark .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now I'm afraid this is the options we've got on on the case . It can be made of plastic , rubber , wood o if you like , {vocalsound} or titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and the nearest we've got to st to spongy there I guess is rubber , but um {vocalsound} I'm gonna come back to the advantages of titanium ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and basically it can have a flat surface , a curved surface or a double curved surface , but I think if we wanna use standard components , we're gonna have difficulty with anything much beyond that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , what does the interface look like ? Um well push button , that's that's the one we're all familiar with . {vocalsound} Um we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down , change volume or channel or something like that and push to select something . {vocalsound} Um you can have multiple scroll buttons , um this is maybe getting a little bit complicated , but um it's it {disfmarker} the technology is there . And we can also incorporate an L_C_D_ display in the remote , but this will increase the cost . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um the electronics that actually makes the device work , we've basically got three , simple , regular , advanced , and the price goes up as we choose each of this . If we want the nice cheap one , the simple , then we can only have push buttons . All the other fancy interface designs go out the window , I'm afraid . Um pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons . If you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more , but it {disfmarker} that's what you need if you want the L_C_D_ display . And the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed um sample sensor sample speaker devices . Now I don't know what that is , but I think they think it's quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere . Um ou our real expertise is in push buttons , I have to say , but maybe you think that's old technology . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} well I I think we've got two options . We can either go for a really cheap model , keep all of the costs down , um which {vocalsound} means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons . Or we can have something that looks a bit nicer , I think it , um won't necessarily l uh look like a pineapple , but um that {vocalsound} may or may not be a good thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} but it could have an L_C_D_ screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons , and it could have the the company's new development of the um sample sensor and speaker . {vocalsound} So , thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good . Any idea {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um do you have any idea if if this could {disfmarker} if the fancy model could be done in twelve Euros fifty ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm afraid I don't have that information available . Um manufacturing didn't actually give {disfmarker} attach any prices to any of this , I'm afraid .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Because , you know what , I'm being quite serious when I say that that um the things I mentioned are hot . But I think the important thing might be to choose one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know , if if what you're telling me is is um some of these things aren't just f aren't feasible , maybe we could something about naming , we could call it , you know , Blackberry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bear bear in mind it has to be the colours and styles of the company ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so what I had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Banana ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright , well let's see then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But um I I don't know how important that is to keep it exactly the colours of the Real Reaction company .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's just what I'd understood we'd be doing . That's before I heard about all this hot tips about the future , fruit-wise .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But {disfmarker} yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we could we could do um a double curved rubber one ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm trying to streamline mine a little bit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which would allow um say a banana , but um unfortunately I see from my notes that if we do that , we have to have a push button as the interface ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we can't do anything fancier .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shall we wait 'til I've 'til I've showed you what {disfmarker} well , {vocalsound} my extensive presentation {vocalsound} on what sort of interfaces are available .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Thank you , Kate .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thank you , Kate .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You did seem to include just in more detail what I've got though . So {vocalsound} so mine's a bit pointless . Right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F_N_ and F_ eight , did you say ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . There we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't have it on mine though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh I think um Florence resolved it by",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I If you do F_ uh F_N_ F_ eight again , it's {disfmarker} it'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do it again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight again .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Keep doing it until you get it in both {disfmarker} you get it there , you get it yours without that one ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it {disfmarker} yeah , you you will do an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then you get it with both .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should I do it again ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This time it should come up both .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right then . I don't actually have a huge amount of different information then what Kate says ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just that my method was to look at the , well , my my inspirations , which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing , including M_P_ three players , uh like you know , hi-fi remotes , not just television and these things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones , um what functions we actually need , and then how to group and arrange these on the actual the actual plastic or rubber hand-held piece . {vocalsound} Uh I've been especially interested in the iPod style scroll wheel , which {disfmarker} Well , I couldn't find a {disfmarker} the picture of the iPod w only linked to a web browser , so I couldn't copy and paste it , but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right . It has uh scroll wheels without without a display , but they they scroll like a computer mouse .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I was thinking that uh {vocalsound} um a really simple a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it um and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen . Like I guess an existing Sky or cable one does . Like , you know , you press enter and it comes up with what's showing on that channel at the moment , and you can do {disfmarker} you can scroll along and it'll show you what's on in the next half hour , and you scroll up",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you can see what's on the other channels while you're watching the same channel on the screen . Uh but I'm also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice , big , easy buttons to press , but still quite simple and quite cost effective . So",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have a fairly simple , uh not fancy but not totally minimalist , I mean just pretty simple plastic , probably , I was thinking , yellow and black , just because that's the company's colours , with very very few buttons , but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen , like , you know , {vocalsound} just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the iPod style display screen on the actual remotes , which is far too expensive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And when you've got a screen sitting there in front of you , you might as well have it appearing uh on the screen in front of you , it doesn't obscure much of the actual picture you're watching .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And so on that you can , just much in the same way as an existing Sky remote , scroll along , scroll up and down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'd I'd certainly support that idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh and I definitely support uh the use of plastic and or rubber . I mean titanium would be great , but I think it might be a bit too expensive and too kinda spacey . If we're k trying to keep it colourful and slightly organic , then I think titanium's too futuristic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well , we can't for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Whereas a plastic's so cheap and easy and mouldable and everything else .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And the the having the the the screen on the television screen I think is a good idea , 'cause um {vocalsound} otherwise we're we're putting up the price not only for putting {disfmarker} building the L_C_D_ in , but for the electronics as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it's a little bit pointless as well I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There is that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like when when when you've got when you've got the screen there , it doesn't have to be anything fancy ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a duplication .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just a little menu showing {disfmarker} yeah , a menu , you go into one menu and then it can have your different options , whether you wanna change the settings or the you know , your information about programme that's on at the moment .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that's to taxing to uh s engineer . {vocalsound} Um . But as for actually arranging them {disfmarker} let me go back to the to the picture of the kiddie one . And I quite like it , 'cause it's just smooth and hand-held and it's got these easily reachable buttons that quite nicely uh spaced out , so something a bit like that with buttons arranged in a kind of circle . Up , down , left , right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you want scroll buttons in that as well ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I was thinking not actually scroll , like a like mouse scroll , but you know , a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I can't quite d uh describe it . {gap} you see on the one on the right , down at the bottom , is the mouse . Yeah , see where the mouse is ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like this s style thing where you c have up , down , left and right . And enter in the middle ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so you pick your menu and then {disfmarker} your different options and when when you click on each one , it {disfmarker} you can go into a new menu for that . I'm getting a bit uh specific here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Really we'd have to use something to show you ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think I think that's a g nice clean design ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's playing to our strengths which are in push button technology .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} To uh m make it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker} I don't think I can get it up on the screen . Ah here we go . Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh nice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the iPod spinning wheel is uh really complicated .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It does scroll , but it is hugely complicated . What else have we got ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Wow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Them , they're terrible . But they all have this this feature of this uh {disfmarker} It's not quite a scroll wheel , but it's a kind of selection in this circle ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a selection wheel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which I think is a really good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we can implement it with simple push buttons , which is much cheaper .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like up , down , left and right . Which is good . And then and then {disfmarker} Yeah , so I mean either a channel up and down , volume up and down , next appearing programmes up and down , {vocalsound} uh and then also {vocalsound} when you get into the different menus on the screen , it's got your things like settings and contrast up and down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So all you really need is these four buttons with the enter in the middle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In fact {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Look at look at this one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's really nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Almost impossible to misplace or l or lose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you think with um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Might take up your whole living room .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It seems that that uh you guys are quite keen on the plastic , perhaps the {disfmarker} something reminiscent of the child's remote . Do you think we could put it in a in a fruit colour ? And have it abstract . You know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Possibly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we could call {vocalsound} like a fruit name ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but it would be a little more abstract .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . We we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you'd rather {disfmarker} if you feel {disfmarker} if you like the spongy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That also is possible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm just just throwing out ideas .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or call it a or call it a banana and have it in yellow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm thinking maybe we need to be a little bit more abstract if the design constraints are so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh just something else I need to bring to your attention is have you have you seen these on a remote ? This is actually the volume up and down ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} they both say V_ on them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which , when you first look at it , {vocalsound} you expect that to be the down , because it looks like a downward pointing arrow ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it's actually the V_ to indicate that it's the volume , so uh we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nice . Good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we wouldn't have a specific volume up and down . If we're having the scroll wheel , then it's gonna double up as all the other up and down functions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But then , that's complicated .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I wanna thank you all for all your presentations . We have about ten minutes left , in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts . Um and I think you all have been self-stimulating of working together . Um we need to come up with some specifics of the components , um the materials , things like making the decision on the energy um and the case and the interface type things . So {vocalsound} let's {disfmarker} Mm . Right . They want us to decide what form of energy are we going to use , which {disfmarker} the choices that we've discussed were pretty much battery , kinetic or solar . Um this is where Kate's expertise comes in , and our decision making will be a little bit guided by Kate at this point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} You were saying that the kinetic would be useful , that is you just have to move it some and you'd be able to use it um as opposed to a battery that you have to either put it in a recharger or um keep replacing the batteries . Um or solar that you'd have difficulty with it if it's a dark day , that it'll die on you , and no way to do it . That's the day you wanna use the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so what's our pleasure here , what would be the cost consequences of each of the three ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh unfortunately I don't have costing information .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I i in terms of workability , I I think the the two front-runners are the standard battery or the kinetic ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I'm sorry I don't figures on the difference in cost .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's the uh feelings of the group on the kinetic ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I've used kinetic in terms of watches and it's very very uh handy , you don't even notice um that it's there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It sounds great . I've never come across it before , but it sounds fantastic . Sounds like it could be g a really good economical {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it would make the whole thing a lot lighter , more convenient .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It could tie in with the fanciful design",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "as uh , you know , {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it's really a quite attractive thought ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "throw the banana , you know , just gotta keep it moving .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ? It's like {disfmarker} yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the consensus seems to be use the kinetic if it's at all possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "a good selling point .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Be",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it does depend how much I mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It costs . {vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And and how much you do have to keep it moving ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause I'm conscious that watching T_V_ can be quite a sed sedentary activity .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I could market that as a um as a {vocalsound} a {disfmarker} I was thinking actually a a cost saver down the road , in terms of battery , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do your exercises while you're watching the T_V_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "True , yeah , m more more environmentally friendly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's what I was thinking as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . You know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "kind of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thanks for the reminder for five minutes to finish , thanks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh right , okay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a decision .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd {disfmarker} that that's something I maybe should have covered . Um chip on print is just a manufacturing technique",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um and I would certainly recommend it , I think , because I'm not sure I have an alternative .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about the ca",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I i it it's just the way that the the the uh th the way it's ac it's actually built",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Oh , the way we {gap} uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and you you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . Um what about the case ? I think they're talking there about do we want wood , plastic , titanium or rubber ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and I think we've discussed not having titanium . One , it's too expensive , um and second , it won't do this double um curves . Um we've sort of eliminated wood . We said plastic or rubber . What's the pleasure ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if if Sarah's keen on a spongy feel , the the rubber that we're talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls , so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's exactly what I was thinking . I'm sold .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What about you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you not think it might need like a kind of a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside , and then a kind of spongy Yeah , s thick spongy cover ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Kind of like an internal egg .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Cover .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it feels like the whole thing's spongy , but actually you're not damaging anything by squeezing it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Plastic inside .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because I mean you could just get carried away with the with the tac",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd I'd need to talk to manufacturing again about whether that's actually possible , but I agree , it's uh {disfmarker} sounds like a nice idea if it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile , you just wanna stroke them and squeeze them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And with sports on television .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um the next part they want is the user interface concept .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I should I should r {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I su",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry to push you , but we only have a couple minutes to {vocalsound} finish with .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then I'll just say I support either {disfmarker} from a marketing point of view I support either decision that the designers make on that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and it says interface . What type and what supplements ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just copy the one on the left . {vocalsound} No um a scroll {disfmarker} Well , like four buttons , up , down , left and right with enter in the middle , that will correspond to a menu on the screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which I think technically is just push button and uh I'd certainly support that that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that brings the cost down quite a lot",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'd {disfmarker} like push buttons with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it's something that we're an ex the company's an expert on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So push buttons {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , um {vocalsound} that's that . Um this is gonna sound weird , but the next meeting starts in thirty minutes . Whew .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And they actually want a look and feel design , user interface design , you can look and see this as well as I can . Marketing they want product evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , it's still it's still plugged in on mine actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No we can't , actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh my , I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's why I was looking over your shoulder",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . Sorry about that . missed that one . This ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work . Ah , ta-da .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now it's gone again .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , I think the the company's s next project should to design a better overhead device that switches immediately . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , because I can't even see mine . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "these are {vocalsound} the individual actions . Yeah , right . Um the look and feel design is for Kate ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh Steph gets the user interface design , you get product {vocalsound} evaluation . Um the two of you {vocalsound} get to play with a Pla modelling clay um to do a prototype .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sounds good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Anything else we need to do ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go to it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Play-Doh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that's the end of this meeting . That's for her benefit . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's really all I got , guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
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Product
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},
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"topic": "The propotype presentation about the buttons and main features of the remote control"
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"topic": "An interactive evaluation in terms of the user requiremnets and the hot trends"
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"topic": "The finance budget of the remote control"
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{
"answer": "After Project Manager first went over the previous meeting and summarized the meeting agenda, Inudstrial Designer started the prototype presentation of the remote control. The remote control should be curved with scroll and push buttons, made by smooth plastic or spongy rubber. Marketing presented the evaluation criteria of the remote control in terms of the user requirements and the trends. The remote control shall be fancy because it was heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality. Finally, they confirmed the components they planned to use under the restrict of finance.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "User Interface first summarized the propotype of the remote control discussed before. The remote control should be curved, easy to hold, nice and small with big buttons. Those buttons were a scroll and some push buttons. The body of the remote control shall be smooth plastic or spongy rubber with yellow and black buttons. The remote control would be comfortable to watch because it had suitable curtature and it's on-off was in the back.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the propotype presentation about the buttons and main features the remote control.",
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"12",
"85"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface tried to envisioned the remote control in well molded and hard smooth plastic. User Interface also suggested another possibility, which was a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons. Which option to choose would depend on cost restraints.",
"query": "What did User Interface think about the material of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"31",
"35"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "They argued that the arrangement of the keys looked like a logo, a compass point, or texting. The simple but different design could be a good feature of the remote control, and made it pop up in common remote controls.",
"query": "Why did Marketing and Industrial Designer appreciate the design of keys when talking about the propotype presentation about the buttons and main features of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"55",
"80"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The group made an interactive evaluation of the remote control in terms of the user requirements and the trends. They mainly focused on the evaluation of price, fancy, color and energy. They picked another word, elegant, other than fancy to describe to design of the new remote control. The group failed to make a choice between the shape of banana and chunk, but they reached a consensus to use kinetic as the source of energy.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about an interactive evaluation in terms of the user requiremnets and the hot trends.",
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"86",
"251"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The remote control was quite fancy in the respect of appearance. The group picked the word elegant from aesthetic, trendy, elegant and stylish when User Interface suggested using a different word to describe the remote control. Still, they all agreed that fancy was more appropriate than elegant.",
"query": "What did the group think about the deisgn when talking about the evaluation of the remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"106",
"132"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer thought the remote control would be cheap to develop because they didn't use any expensive components. But User Interface argued that it would cost a lot to find someone with good technology of programming and develop the innovative user interface.",
"query": "Why did User Interface disagree with Industrial Designer with the price when talking about the interactive evaluation in terms of the user requiremnets and the hot trends?",
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"219",
"251"
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}
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[
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um almost , there's one more thing I have to get out of the {disfmarker} I have to make sure that this attachment will open .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I keep forgetting whether I've done this . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha . Okay . We'll open that when the time is right . In the meantime {disfmarker} Closing things down , okay . Let's see what this thing does . Does it come up together or disappear one of them or what ? Ah , we came up together , we're good . Okay . Are we ready to start ? Okay . It's now quarter of four . This is a f another forty minute one so it will end at four twenty five . Okay . Right . Our agenda is , as before , for me to open the meeting , for us to go over the previous minutes , then for the two of you to present your prototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria . We then have a finance aspect , which is a spreadsheet , an Excel spreadsheet . And I know what you're all thinking of , oh my , um because we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in , including the production evaluation . So we're going to make a very fast track . Okay . Um and as you can see that's what we do next on this thing . So the first thing I have to do is close this so that I can get to {disfmarker} Where is it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Red .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I need to open mine . Not the agenda .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Agenda three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No that th I want the minutes from the previous {disfmarker} minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That should be there , minutes . Yeah . Okay . Uh from meeting three , is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show , just use it as is ? 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it . Okay , um obviously all of us were here for the last meeting , we reviewed the previous minutes before that , um each of you made your presentations . {vocalsound} Um we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations . The market trend of fruit and veg , mm spongy , uh fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy . Um we decided chip on print would be used . Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing , I think was the consensus , powered by kinetic energy . There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight . Um perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that . Um looking like a scroll , but it's really a push button technology , excuse my spelling um that was actually in use , that is uh behind the scenes is push button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production . Um we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management . Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with the company logo , a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us . Um we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time . Um we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one . And uh we closed as it ran out of time . Is that a fair presentation of what happened ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , back to this meeting . Um we're down to the prototype presentation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ta-da .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Over to you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh , two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well you see , each made one , we didn't have enough yellow dough .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is the one that I made .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is uh curved , easy to hold , hand-held , nice and small with big easy buttons . This is like a scroll , but they are push buttons and they enter {disfmarker} takes you into the different menus . Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television {gap} . I mean this is the infrared thing that's gonna zap at the television . Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that , but I'm sure it will work . Uh this is on off switch , 'cause I think we do need that , and I think it gives it a nice balance .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um as for what it's actually made of {disfmarker} well the function of these buttons is up , down , left and right {vocalsound} in the different menus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh position , I presume that just means right right on it , easy to see . The main feature of it is just a simple design , simple , lack of uh buttons all over the place . Right ? {vocalsound} Form curved , kind of smooth , hand-held , makes it feel nice to hold . Uh material , I think Kate's gonna tackle that quite a bit , but I think we have two different options , because we did make a another one , which wa uh is in the shape of banana , it's just {disfmarker} if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons , like just like this but in the shape of a banana ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology , just a slightly different design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Also with on off switch and infrared {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh I had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic . So like uh {disfmarker} well , I dunno , what's it like ? I guess like an existing remote control , but molded and smooth . Whereas otherwise we'd thought , like with this one {disfmarker} or mix and match , just we were gonna see what you thought , the {disfmarker} uh a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons . So we have the two options we can follow , either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber , depending on cost restraints . And what we well , what conclusion we reach when we discuss it . {vocalsound} Uh material {disfmarker} yeah , that's what I have to say about material . Can I scroll down on there and see what else {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well colour , I think {disfmarker} I definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black buttons , because that's the company colours , but if anybody's got any other suggestions , I'm quite willing to consider them as well . {vocalsound} So , it just depends what you think about these ideas and if I'm {disfmarker} yeah , maybe , Kate , you better say what you think about them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um well I don't have very much to add . Um the the case {disfmarker} oops , that's the uh on off button just come off our prototype .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The the case can be either um spongy rubber or hard plastic . We're not absolutely sure about a combination of the two , but it can be either of those . We have the technology to do that . Um and as for the the actual components um , uh Steph just said this is a {disfmarker} quite a cheap device to manufacture . We have simple rubber push buttons um which provide all the functionality we need . Um the um {vocalsound} the diode that actually does the um infrared is at the end , it's the stalk of the banana , or it's just the thing at the end of this version . Um so that's for material . Colour , well uh Steph's the expert on colour . Um we we don't have any particular restrictions on that . Yeah , I think that's all we've got to say really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thin as for as for the fruit or organic theme , I guess this one is obviously fruit shaped .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This one has n banana , yeah . This one has no obvious connections to fruit , but because it's round and molded , it kinda makes you think sort of organic , touchy-feely , kiddie , it's more like {disfmarker} yeah , you'd expect it to be like a child's sorta toy remote control instead of a real one , which I quite like that sort of image . 'Cause it's very big and chunky and child-friendly and",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Would you care to examine the prototypes , see how they feel in the hand ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hold them , you see , you know . Curvature , is it to your liking ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see , the on-off's in the back .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , that's so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} If you don't wanna tire out your thumbs after all .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then you can use your thumb . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it was partly we thought the design looked better ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I could see this thing , unless it's reinforced , having a problem with the you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Breaking ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "oh right . {vocalsound} Well you see , that's why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it , because then it'd just be rigid .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like the fact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} we really like we really like that design ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's really kind of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it looks just like a logo , that arrangement of the keys . Like a c like a compass point , you know ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just up , down , left and right , and we think we could make that quite a good feature . And it's like the the iPod scroll wheel , {vocalsound} but better .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But it's also like texting ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean it {disfmarker} that's what it makes me think of , mobile phones ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I was try I was thinking , moving your thumb like this , what does that remind me of ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it's a very simple design ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's texting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there's not a lot to wrong , the components are cheap to make .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's also in terms of um being lost it's it's quite {disfmarker} it looks quite different .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You know , I I d I have several {disfmarker} four remotes , and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , this is really identifiable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean actually how to program the menus and what sort of , you know , text box is gonna appear at the bottom of the screen ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but we do definitely think that it's a viable option .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . The next item is evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh if that's {disfmarker} if you're finished .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh yeah , we're finished .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "shall I take your uh power ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Try again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . This is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation , and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department . So , this means we're going to go over the priorities that were raised by uh the consumers a as well as incorporate all of our insight into this uh evaluation exercise . So I'm going to go and use the whiteboard , and I've made a list of criteria to look at , and so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this up as the last thing , but for the evaluation it's going to be one is true and seven is false , going over these different criteria , so one true seven false and I'm gonna now use the um the board . Okay . So um fancy , technologically innovative , easy to use , trendy , buttons , excess buttons , good buttons , ugly , sellable , and other . And in fact I hope that uh you all introduce some additional terms , because these are things that um have been brought up , some of them seem rather close ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , what about price , is that gonna go on there as well ? Price of materials .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like they overlap . Mm , yeah , price .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We'll put price up at the top .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not that we actually know anything about it ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but we can we can pretend .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we will soon , unfortunately .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Come on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did you say {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay , so wha how do we feel in terms of is this fancy ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It depends what what you mean by fancy really , 'cause when I think of fancy , I think of it's got lots of extra sort of fripperies and , you know , like baroque curliness and {disfmarker} which",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd call these quite uh minimalist ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , a plain , simple , clean design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "simple and plain , but I mean I do see what {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so in that respect it is quite fancy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I {disfmarker} yeah , so in that respect {disfmarker} I think we'll go with that respect .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think just maybe we need a different word other than fancy , I'd say maybe aesthetic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well we have got s trendy further down ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Elegant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Elegant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Elegant .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Elegant , I don't know if I'd call them elegant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , no these aren't the exact terms that the um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} like stylish or aesthetic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Stylish , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Elegant . We're gon let's use elegant , although the the the people , the word on the street is is {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fancy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} N that {disfmarker} um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did you just break the pen ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah uh {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker} is fancy . So let's let's take it to the next level .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well d we'll just call it fancy then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well okay , so in terms of elegant , fancy . we'll call it E_F_ um , do we do we think that perhaps {disfmarker} and maybe we should say the yellow ? Should we go with the yellow in terms of {disfmarker} I think that's a really superior {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think we n we need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "they're both {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they're both yellow with black buttons , it's just that we didn't have any more dough to represent uh that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what we re really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape or just a a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the two",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that isn't {disfmarker} that is more curved , like a banana , but that isn't actually recognisable as a banana , you know , with the grooves and the stalk and stuff ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "As a banana .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we'll call it the banana .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And of the two I really like I m I like the banana ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The chunk .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I I do like the chunk .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's maybe not something we have to decide just right now , is it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just somewhere a long the scale of in between these two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I mean in terms {disfmarker} we have to evaluate one of them . Unless {disfmarker} do you guys wanna evaluate both ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think between the two , somewhere between the two is true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's more true than false , about a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we say true . {vocalsound} technologically innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I d I don't think that's what we're aiming at with this concept .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we're using simple components that are gonna be robust but not particularly innovative .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we'll say {disfmarker} we'll say uh false . Easy to use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} One ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "is that inappropriate ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Oh , pardon me . Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Trendy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "trendy , s {vocalsound} and I say specifically spongy fruity .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , maybe only a two or a three then , 'cause it's no we still haven't decided about specific sponginess or specific {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have the worry about how robust it will be if it's it's curved as a banana but spongy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't really think that's gonna work ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so two ? Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Excess buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "are there excess buttons ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} That is false .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's false . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} good , well designed buttons , intuitive buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Better , more intuitive buttons , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "True . Ugly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "People don't respond well to ugly . Sellable , uh quirky , you know , something people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think they're different , aren't they ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it is quite it is quite quirky I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like oh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah , I do too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could be quite a good brand , like a good little object .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . And I was I was thinking of other things um in terms of uh could we say it's cost saving ? With the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , we also need tho think about the energy . Is it the kinetic energy ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , with the energy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If it's {disfmarker} it is gonna be environmentally friendly with the kinetic energy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It is going to be kinetic ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we'll c we'll say it's a cost saving enviro . Yeah , Uh so yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we haven't completely developed that side of it yet , so we're not completely sure about that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you're still in the Play-Doh stage .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Anything else ? Including price , do you have any idea about price or other features ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop . We haven't got a lot of expensive components in there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , the instinct says true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So true one or should I go to two or three ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd put it at one I think , but {disfmarker} I dunno , what do you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would say maybe a two ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause we still {disfmarker} we need to uh get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus and things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , true ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean it's not just like {disfmarker} I mean it's not like ev you know , on a normal chunky remote every button res I mean means something different ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's not a cheap thing to get .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it might be the {disfmarker} yeah , yeah , true . True .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "whereas this one has only got the four buttons and they all {disfmarker} they mean everything , depending on what menu you're in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} uh we need somebody to develop that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um other ? Anything else you guys can thing of ? And I'm gonna actually change a couple of these so then I'm gonna {disfmarker} instead of ugly I'm gonna say it's attractive and then make that true , so that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause I have to do an average . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then um excess buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just putting no excess buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . Wow we're doing really well . Yeah , be you know ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "As for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so it doesn't ruin the polarity .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "see if we're technologically innovative , I'd say it is quite innovative , because there aren't really many that have this menu idea instead of all the extra buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean I know we're not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition but but we are at the upper end of the push button market . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or L_C_D_ . Yeah . Well if you g uh let me know if if any of these {disfmarker} um if you if you all can think of any other um thing to change here {disfmarker} if you th if you think I should change the innovative or add other features . If not I'll average those .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we're good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . We're a little over halfway through the meeting",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and the next big thing is the finance . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um okay , how about if I uh pass this back to you",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I'll uh figure out the average here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you for everyone's help with that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . And as you can see it says the same thing , it had not lost itself , thank Goodness . And we're going to raise what's called a sp a spreadsheet that they provided to me . Um and it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hand dynamo , battery , kinetic , solar cells . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , just kinetic then , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um what's a hand dynamo ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was the crank , wind-up crank on the side . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's the wind-up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "shoot , forget that . Kinetic is um {disfmarker} and how many of those will we need per {disfmarker} we only need one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Electronic simple chip on print , and we'll need one of those .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh yeah , I think we can do it all with simple {disfmarker} Just checking that . Yeah , simple , 'cause we've just got push buttons , so we can do it all with simple which is the ch should be the cheapest .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and we only need one of those .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the case will be uncurved and flat or a single curve or a double curve . It looks like it {gap} single curve , 'cause of th the chunkiness . It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that that one is single curve ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's uh uh one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ? Um do we have",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that's",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What does double curved mean , I don't understand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I think you {disfmarker} it means you reverse the curve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh that's the the one that goes like this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I do I don't think we need that for either of them ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , we don't need that . No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you can do a banana in single curve ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Single-curved , I'd say .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "single curve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , case material supplements . Plastic , wood , rubber , titanium , special colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I just wanna say plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We had the special colour . And did we say plastic ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , can we do some what ifs , 'cause it may {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean I I still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One , two , three , four , five , six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but it depends on the cost , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . We'll come back , if we can , to the rubber being added at the moment , that's where we are . Interface button {disfmarker} push button interface . That's what we're using ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we need to say how many buttons , or",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whoops , don't want that , not yet . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or d is it just one ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , it just says push button interface . Button supplements , they'll be in a special colour of black .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the buttons {disfmarker} Wha what is the buttons made of , rubber ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh they'll be rubber , yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we need one of them . And are they any special form ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , like the compass point one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually , does tha does special material mean that plastic is not a special material ? 'Cause I think they can be plastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause the rate we're going we can put the rubber on top .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They could be plastic , we don't have to have rubber buttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because we haven't got a double curved case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they could be plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Um let's put that rubber in then , of the case material supplement .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just one , isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh we only need one of them . Um and the total cost has been calculated as nine Pounds twenty out of the twelve and a half we were allowed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What , we're in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We're in . {vocalsound} That's us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "More profit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I'm going to save this into our {vocalsound} desktop , project documents . Okay . As our project document bit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you do you need to double click on that to open it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There we are . That's the only Excel document that will be in there , so it's there for all of us . Okay , so , are they under twelve fifty ? Yes , go to the project evaluation , next slide .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Um the project process , satisfaction with , for example , the room for creativity . Yeah , leadership , teamwork ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "means , of having whiteboard , the digital pens and all that kind of good things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And Play-Doh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , the Play-Doh was best , I thought . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well , 'cause I mean it's so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying , well we quite want this , but imagine it rounder . So much better just to go and , you know , this is it , this is what we want . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} So , we went over all those things and we're satisfied with all the above .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um did we find any new ideas ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think with the marketing element of uh fruit shaped I I mean I {disfmarker} that really opened my eyes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Spongy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I only speak for myself though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I'd never heard of the kinetic energy before ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so . Good work as a design team ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I think we're a good team actually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure all the wires are really great though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we actually worked well as a group .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thought so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Are the costs within the budget ? Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is the project evaluated ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I can give you a number ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "hang on , Oh we haven't heard . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um it's uh {disfmarker} the average evaluation score is one point eight eight , so it means w you know , I can I can spell it out . There were six true or ones , four um pardon me , two s almost true or close to true , so that was four points , and then uh one false , seven points , so seventeen divided by nine {disfmarker} we're between one and two . I would say that's ex excellent in terms of uh ho how much we adhere to the ideals of the uh market place .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And the the only false one is because we've chosen to keep a simple old technology ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To maintain old technology , exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which if it works perfectly well I see no point in improving on if it works ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Absolutely , and it's kept us within budget .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we do count as I think excellent or one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And we've therefore {disfmarker} we have to do the final questionnaire and do the meeting summary , I have a final report to present , um and then we're done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We done good , and we're finished in time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bring on the ice sculptures .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then we get the product launch party .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we might have to wait .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Product launch party ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what I said , ice sculptures .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Absolutely . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I {disfmarker} one thing I want to do is {disfmarker} oh , I think the meeting's done .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I believe that is the end of our meeting . Thank you , Melissa . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um one thing I wa I wanna do is save everything in the right files , because I don't think everything is saved . The right files . Final meeting market",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
ES2014a
|
Product
|
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],
"topic": "Introduction of the project and team building"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"113",
"116"
]
],
"topic": "Financial targets, cost constraints and marketing plan of the new remote control"
},
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"relevant_text_span": [
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"166"
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],
"topic": "Style and features of the new remote control"
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"167",
"206"
]
],
"topic": "Function of the new remote control"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "Project Manager gave the team members a brief introduction of the new remote control project, then the team started an ice breaking game by drawing their favourite animals. The expected selling price of the remote control is 25 Euros and the production costs would be limited to twelve and a half Euro per unit. Marketing plan would depend on overhead costs. The team agreed that the remote needs to be robust, and they wanted it to be a device for all with accessible buttons. Project Manager suggested it to be only a television remote control instead of a multi-functional one.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The team agreed that the device needed to be robust so that it wouldn't get damaged easily. As for the features, the team believed that fewer buttons on the remote control would make it easier to use. Besides, a combined remote was favoured, as it can be a device for more than one remote. However, the team believed that the two features are mutually exclusive.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the style and features of the remote control.",
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"117",
"166"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer thought that a remote with more accessible buttons can make it easier to use, as some of the buttons of the remote he used were too small to press. He also suggested that the remote needs to be robust, so that it would not be damaged easily.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think of the style of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
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"117",
"129"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "He suggested that they could develop a remote control which moves around the room, so that the customer does not need to get up to pick up the remote in the other room. However, he also made clear that it is only an idea for the future.",
"query": "What did Marketing suggest when discussing the features of the new remote and why?",
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"140",
"152"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing suggested that they could develop the remote control into a hand held mini laptop, so that it could control all sorts of appliances. But at the end of the meeting, they made the decision that the new remote control would not be a multi-functional one, and it would only be designed for television.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the function of the remote control.",
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"167",
"206"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing suggested that they could devise a new system for the remote control, and make the remote into a miniature laptop. The reason for the occurrence of the idea is that there are already many kinds of cutting-edge remote controls in the market, and the multi-functional remote could control all sorts of appliances in the house.",
"query": "What did Marketing suggest to do when discussing the function of the new remote control and why?",
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"167",
"182"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer thought that they should stick to the idea of traditional television remote control, instead of a multi-functional one.",
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"196",
"206"
]
]
}
] |
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{
"content": "Right , so start of the first meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh . Right , so agenda of the first meeting . Where we uh {disfmarker} We have twenty five minutes for this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We uh are to get acquainted . So does everyone want to say who they are ? {gap} that seem sensible ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm Robin . I'm the Marketing Manager .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm Louisa . I'm the User Interface Designer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm Nick . I am the Industrial Designer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader . {vocalsound} Alright okay , so tool training . Um . {vocalsound} Project plan . So does anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Tool training",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Neither am I {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be {disfmarker} Oh right okay , so . So we have the project team , which is to um {vocalsound} basically to come up with a new r remote control device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh we have uh {disfmarker} the starting base was the original {vocalsound} which has been in existence now for a period of time . And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to {vocalsound} to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh {vocalsound} the functional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design . So um {vocalsound} in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh this device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before . And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day . Um and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we've got tool training . Try out whiteboard . Uh . {vocalsound} So we will um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there . I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works . So uh I don't know who wishes to go first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't mind . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah uh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's see .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good job I got pockets today .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But now you you uh you'll move out from the microphone and the camera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Your microphone's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I take it that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we supposed to do this right now , do you think , or ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would {vocalsound} I would guess so . Or {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You've lost uh your microphone there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Technical problems .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Right here we go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean you designers are meant to come up with these sort of things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I think that I would have to say that my favourite animal is the cat . Little smiley cat there . Um and this would be because they're very independent , uh they're very intelligent , compared to dogs maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} and they can be very very affectionate . Some people don't think so but I know very affectionate cats . Um . Um and they can look after themselves .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Next . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah . I'll I'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shall I rub that out , actually ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't see as there's any need to . There's plenty of space .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean whatever . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We can have have a whole menagerie . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Shall I see if I can get across without just tangling everything . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We've had more time to prepare over this side ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we've all stuck our bits and pieces in our pockets . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Didn't think of that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay uh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The three pens are underneath .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "pens are over here . I'll try the red pen . Okay . Um . {vocalsound} I'm gonna go for the bear which I'm {gap} be able to draw very well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You get marks for artistic impression . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I'll have a bash at it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ooh ooh {gap} I lost it there . I think I've just knocked the microphone . {vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you're just doing the face . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We'll g then we'll go for a a s small small bear {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} and I like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because um I dunno maybe because there's so many cartoon characters made up after the bear like the jungle book characters and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Great . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Hello . Um I'm gonna go for the dog , and I'm gonna draw one badly as well . Uh . {gap} looks like it's going to be a dachshund or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's quite good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right . There's my dog . Um {vocalsound} I like dogs because they're very loyal . And they're always happy , so whenever whenever you're feeling sort of a bit a bit down or tired , they're always coming up and they're always um quite excited . So um you can always have a lot of fun with a dog . And they're also good for exercise as well . You can sorta get out and they they sorta never get tired . And and when they're tired they're quite cute as well , so . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's why I like dogs .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , um . {vocalsound} Well I've not actually had too many pets uh over my uh time 'cause to be honest with you uh {gap} I'm not too keen on them anyway . Not to worry . So what my daughters have got at the moment is they've got uh a few fish and so hopefully um won't prove too difficult to draw . Uh {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "As you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anyway um . {vocalsound} And uh one of the best uh things about fish is that they don't really take uh too much looking after because uh with most of the animals if you're going away on holiday or whatever , you've gotta spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you . Whereas if you got fish , you just gotta put the food in a a a dripper feed which feeds them over the uh couple of weeks that you're away and uh change the water every couple of months , and buy in a few plants , so . Other than the fact that they keep dying ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh fish are uh {vocalsound} are not are are are reasonable pets in that uh they're low maintenance .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right . Okay , uh if we're still all with us . Right okay , so . Work has been done on uh this uh project where by um twenty five Euros is uh the uh expected uh selling price . That information has come from our marketing manager here . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're looking to sell internationally , not just in Europe . We're looking at um having our production costs limited to uh twelve and an half Euro per unit . And therefore making a profit margin of uh {disfmarker} well not actually a profit margin it's uh {disfmarker} because obviously you're gonna have overheads and various other costs to uh take uh from uh from that to give you your profit margin per unit . And so depending what the uh the overhead uh costs are will determine uh how many units we're uh looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So um {disfmarker} Experience with remote control , first ideas . New remote . So I guess we're looking at um having a discussion at this point in time to help uh you um folks design our our new model as it were .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh any any thoughts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I {gap} with some remote controls the buttons were a little small so they're quite hard to press so maybe we make something with uh easy to press buttons . As that is the main function .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so so basically we're looking for some um {disfmarker} we're looking for a device that is um robust and and therefore uh won't get damaged too easily .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we're looking for a device that is uh {disfmarker} What was the other things you said there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um sort of easy to use so the buttons are accessible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Easy to use . Use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} is easy to use and see .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can I just check ? {vocalsound} Is this just a television remote ? Because a lot of um systems are kind of T_V_ video combined now , or T_V_ D_V_D_ combined .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And one of the most annoying things is having like five remotes in the house . So if you've got a combined system , it could be a combined remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or is it just a television that we're supposed to be doing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh I w um basically I'll get back to you on that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But it seems to me sensible ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause {disfmarker} as you rightly said , there's nothing more annoying than having three or four devices littered about the uh about the room .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So a device for for all remotes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Sorry , you go . You go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've Okay . Yeah . Um one of the things um we found from the market research is that people often get confused by the number of buttons on them as well . 'Cause there's quite often lots and lots . And um sometimes uh they sort of {disfmarker} remote controls defeat their own purpose because you're sat in the chair and the remote is somewhere else in the room . So {disfmarker} whereas in the past you'd have to get up to change the channel , now you have to get up to sort of pick up the remote . So so I don't we need to sort of maybe think about how um we could maybe uh develop a remote control which moves around the room .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Comes to your whistle . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's that's maybe something for the future when you can talk to your television , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But is it {disfmarker} in a sense it's r um mutually exclusive . You can't have both the th the one device and then have few buttons on it to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause you want you want simplicity as well , you want any idiot to be able to use it . Whilst at the same time you want , as you rightly said , one remote for all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so these are probably mutually exclusive options",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm you could argue that experience of using devices and similar devices as people get more and more used to using remotes , therefore they're more {gap} with handling them ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "therefore you can make them more complicated as time goes on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could um have better instructions with the remote . Or are we just doing the design of the remote control itself , or sort of the instructions that would come with it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Better instructions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean we've done some research um about sort of you know what the cutting edge sort of hand held devices are , and a lot of them sort of use you know they're like they're like mini laptops .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's possible that we could devise a system where where you're you're basically sort of holding a a miniature computer which is controlling all your your sort of your television , your stereo , and where {disfmarker} you know if you buy a new thing then it sort of {disfmarker} you can link it to that as well , maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um well we've got five minutes before the end of the meeting . So uh we have to uh start winding up . Um is there {disfmarker} Next meeting in thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {disfmarker} Right , so we've got I_D_ the {disfmarker} Come on , where's my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you just click return it should be okay . It'll get rid of the message .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Or not . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you hit just hit return and it should get rid of the message .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh you've got {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's what I was looking for . Right . So we've got function {disfmarker} Oh what happened to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that might be back to the start . Um if you grab the kind of uh slide to the left and pull it down ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} slide four {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . {vocalsound} Sorry about that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we've got um the working design for I_D_ . For U_I_D_ the technical functions design . Marketing , the user requirement specification . Specific instructions will be sent to you by your person by your personal coach . So . Are we all clear what objectives we're looking to meet in the next thirty minutes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And I guess I'll try and write up some minutes of uh this meeting to uh to give it to you for the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not exactly clear on what we're designing the rem remote for .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is this a mun multi-functional one or do we decide that ourselves as we go away and work on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think you just said at the start it was a television remote control ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Television remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we should just stick to that unless we get told otherwise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's true , 'cause during during the course of our day we might make decisions based on information or meetings that would change {vocalsound} where we're going .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But at this point in time I think you're right that uh {disfmarker} shall we make it just a T_V_ . Okay ? So we will depart .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We will stay here and uh and break off . And I'll do minutes and and we'll see you in half and hour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay cheers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
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"answer": "The Project Manager gave a brief review of the team's last meeting, then Industrial Designer, User Interface and Marketing gave their presentation each. Industrial Designer's presentation is about the components and system of the remote control. User Interface gave the presentation about the design of the remote. The team agreed that there should be 17 buttons on the front of the remote and two on the back. Marketing's presentation is about the research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control. The team agreed that they could add a clap-back function to the remote.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "User Interface preferred a more user-friendly remote with nice big buttons and limited number of buttons. She also gave her suggestions about the symbol and colour of the remote. Then, they discussed the number of buttons on the remote.",
"query": "Summarize the presentation and discussion about the design of the remote.",
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"answer": "User Interface suggested that they could design the symbols and colours for the remote. However, the Project Manager reminded the team that they should put their own logo and colour scheme on the remote, which means that they could not design those things by themselves.",
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"73"
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{
"answer": "The team agreed that there should be 17 buttons on the remote, including number 0 to 9, volume up and down, mute, channel up and down, stand-by and power buttons. Besides the buttons of brightness and contrast should be put on the back of the remote.",
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"answer": "According to the research of Marketing, three quarters of the customers thought that their remotes are ugly. People only concentrated on the channel buttons, the volume buttons and the power buttons, and other buttons on the remote were seldom pressed. Many customers found it frustrating when their remotes were lost somewhere else in the room and they couldn't find them. Besides, it was difficult for people to learn all the functions on the remote. Then the team discussed the idea of a speech recognition system for the remote.",
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"answer": "Marketing suggested that the remote should be good looking and high-tech. And they should concentrate on the functions of changing channels and volumes. Besides, they could also think about using speech recognition as a way for people to find the remote control if it's lost in a room.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought that the technology would be quite advanced and they might end up costing more than 25 budgets for speech recognition.",
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{
"content": "Right uh . So um . So where's the PowerPoint presentation ? Sorry ? Microsoft PowerPoint , right . Right , okay . So . Right . Okay , so we've got uh so we've got new project requirements . Um . So basically we've got three things , and we've got forty minutes in which to uh {disfmarker} for this meeting to uh to discuss the various options . Um . Three presentations .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have a {disfmarker} I guess we have a presentation each , 'cause I've got one . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I see , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I've got one too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's nice to know , one from each of you . Um new project requirements . Um so do we want to do the presentation first , or do we want to um {disfmarker} W I I got um {gap} or or three things basically , um relating to the remote being only for T_V_ . We discussed that last time",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled {vocalsound} in a sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we've got uh teletext outdated . Um did you get any information on that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we didn't , no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I d I didn't personally .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I I got that in email form .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . Right okay . So I guess if we go ahead with the uh with the three presentations . So we'll start with yourself on the basis that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay that's fine . I'll just um I'll grab the wire out the back of this one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What is it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm not quite sure how it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think you've got to do um control F_ eight .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Control {gap} {disfmarker} Doesn't seem to be quite working at the moment .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shift F_ eight . {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alt function F_ eight . {vocalsound} Again not doing anything .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} There's usually a little thing in the top right for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah there ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh hang on ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's doing something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's just coming on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} pressed about five times now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , that's me {gap} . Okay , um I have to go {gap} again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it going ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully that should be it this time . Okay , I think we're there . That's good . Okay , um {disfmarker} Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design . Um {vocalsound} of the of the remote control . Um I've just got three sections , first is the research I made on the on the remote control itself um . And then that involves the components required in it and the systems uh design of the actual the actual remote . Um so having researched the existing models within the market , um I found my research off the internet . Um I've established what the components required for the remote control to function , actually are . And then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television . Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in most existing models would be a battery supply . Whether that'll be sort of two batteries , four batteries , um it may vary .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We then have the user interface , which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote . Um the various functions used for changing channel , uh channel up and down , volume , things like that . Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things . And then the sender , which um is usually , I've found , an infra-red device which sends a signal to the actual television . Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the system but is not actually part of the remote itself , because that's obviously found in the television . {gap} . Um I'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh it was a little tricky on PowerPoint to get this working , so . I'll just go through there . S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with , or ? Oh I'll j",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh there's the rubber on the right , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's that little {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see . Oh okay . I'll get rid of the bear.$",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it's magic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay that's great . Okay , so we start off with a um battery suppl Uh no , a power supply which we'd probably get {disfmarker} it's probably gonna be the battery . Um we then have a particular button , which may be {disfmarker} {gap} that's obviously there's lots and lots of different buttons . Um but this is how the basic system works . Um that sends {gap} after you press that that sends the message to the chip , which um then sends {disfmarker} It sort of interprets which button you've pressed and then sends the appropriate message to the sender . {vocalsound} Um . So that's {gap} . That's the remote in itself , that's the components of the remote and how they work together . So this is the uh user interface . Um this is the chip itself , which then {gap} , and that's the that's the infra-red sender . And then on the separate thing we have on the on the television we have a a receiver . And the sender sends a message to the receiver . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the the top bit's the power source , yes ? {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yes , that's the power source . Um . {gap} going on to personal preferences , I've said that battery seems the best option for the actual remote , just because of the size . You don't want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it's not it's not really a remote . Um and then the sender ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and infra-red um has been used quite successfully . If the battery's on reasonable power , they always seem to work fairly well . You don't have to be point directly at the television itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the battery is the {disfmarker} in the sender .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yes . 'Kay and that's it for the moment .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , now more design . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Thank you . Mine's not quite as complicated as all that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's what we like to hear . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Did I press function ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is it control function ei Oh , th there you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Um . Okay so I'm gonna talk a bit about the technical functions design . I'm Louisa , the User Interface Designer , as you know . {vocalsound} Um so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set , so that a desired function is performed . Um an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down , uh so obviously you need two different buttons for that . Um to change the channel , either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down . Um to switch the television on or off , maybe a standby button . Um here are two example remotes . Um by the look of it they both have um kind of play and fast forward , rewind functions , so I think they incorporate a kind of video function which we won't have to worry about . Uh but as you can see , the left remote is quite um quite busy looking , quite complicated . Um whereas the right remote is much simpler , it looks much more user friendly . Um so my personal preference would be the right remote . So , {vocalsound} it's got nice big buttons , it's got a very limited number of buttons . Um they're nice , kinda clearly labelled . Um I like the use of the kind of um symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the um kind of play functions and all that . So it's very very user friendly , and it's got a little splash of colour . Could maybe do with some more colour . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well there's a couple of things there . Um we have to remember that we have our own um logo and colour scheme . So basically we'd have to uh we'd have to be putting that on um the the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Do we get to see that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I haven't as yet , no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Will you be presenting that in a bit ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But uh I got uh I got an email that basically said to uh make sure that uh whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate um the corporate colour and slogan . So uh I'm guessing that uh uh I notice on the bottom there it's got uh what's that ? A_P_O_G_E_E_ that might be the corporate colour scheme , although the only the only colour I can see in that is the red .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here , the the sort of circular section , because that seems to be for a video as well . So we could dispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume . Possibly ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by the circular section ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "J yeah yeah yeah j yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like all of that bottom bit ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just this little bit is that {disfmarker} I think that's still um a video remote part ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we could get rid of that as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And I don't really think that you need nine numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well b uh w",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean how often do you use seven , eight and nine ? I think just one to six and then channel up and down should be enough .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well th the on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like how often do you hit nine ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well uh for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to five at this point in time ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we'd have to have some room for uh future such channels . But but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just people are used to seeing that , so if we didn't have them then they might think it's {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But , well possibly but the the other thing is that with um the current expansion of uh channels uh in the process of taking place , certainly the button up and down , but uh I mean {vocalsound} how many channels do we have to um {disfmarker} actual television channels do we have to uh prepare for ? I would have thought that uh {gap} it's forever expanding and at the moment we've got {disfmarker} although you've onl you've got the five standard , you've got the B_B_C_ have come up with a further six",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and uh there's uh I don't know exactly how many channels there are on uh when you take into account uh Sky and various other um various others .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I would've thought that we wouldn't , you know , rather {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , if the time of flicking from one to other , but presumably it'll take a second",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause you have to be able to stop it . Maybe you could have a fast forward on the on the channels that w and then you could dispense with more otherwise . Y you'd want you'd want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um some remotes have kind of favourite options where if you always flick from channel one to channel six , um if that's a favourite you just like by-pass two to five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I s I suppose in a sense you could have um if you've got a hundred channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting {disfmarker} rather than having to go one to a hundred , you could go one to one to ten , ten to twenty",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then have a second button to get you to the actual channel you want",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and that would cut down your time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I think a lot of um like Cable and Sky and stuff , that would be tuned to one channel , and then you'd have another remote for all of those channels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like to get to fifty five and the higher numbers {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Limit the number of buttons , user friendly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I suppose nine's not really excessive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I suppose with nine you've got the the like the last one which makes the tenth means you {disfmarker} uh it's like uh multiples you can put them together so you can make any number .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I suppose it does make a good pattern .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So with that we'd kind of by-pass any problems with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah Well that's true , yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you could get fifty by five and a zero or whatever , that that makes sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'Cause that facilitates having all the numbers you could ever need .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So w so what was the circular thing that you were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um I think that's just for a video , so we wouldn't need any of that at all .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we could get it down to what ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If it's just for T_V_ , which is what it is at the moment .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we get to {disfmarker} How many buttons have we got ? We've just got ten , eleven twelve th We got fourteen that we need . I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um which isn't really too many . That'll be quite easy to make a user guide for a fourteen button remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Well we've we've got um that it's remote for T_V_ only otherwise project would become too complex with uh which would endanger the time to market {vocalsound} was one of the considerations .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm {disfmarker} I don't know d did you have that information behind the marketing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or was I meant to give you that information ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I'm not sure . I had I've had some market information ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but not from the company , no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay , so basically time to market seems to be important , therefore speed of delivery .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We've only got about another four hours left . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so is everyone happy with that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yes yes , that seems good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right well that's the end of my presentation .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . I'm gonna pull this off . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think if you just give it a second to maybe catch up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think she said twenty seconds to um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure we'll have by the end of today .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} I'll give it another go . Yeah , there we go . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , we've done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control . And first off we should state that th the remote control's for controlling the T_V_ and um how do people use it ? We asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them . Um how d how does a remote control look and feel for them , and what improvements would would they like to remote control . And we did that by sort of giving them a questionnaire that we'd prepared and asking them to fill in the answers . And three quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a sort of s uh a fancier remote control And that of all the buttons on the remote control , the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture picture and brightness and the audio settings , um they weren't used very often at all . People concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons . Uh we also asked them about speech recognition uh for remote control . And young people were quite receptive to this , but as soon as we got sort of over about into a thirty five to forty age {disfmarker} forty five age group and older , people people weren't quite so keen on speech recognition . There's a lot more th there's a lot lot more older people who didn't know whether they wanted it or not as well . Um we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they couldn't find it . And the second second biggest frustration what that if they got a new remote control , it was difficult to learn um all the buttons and all the functions , and to find your way around it . {vocalsound} Okay , so {disfmarker} My personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some {vocalsound} sort of sleek sort of good looking high high-tech {disfmarker} A design which looks high-tech , basically . Um and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market , and we should sort of concentrate on the channels and sort of power , and also volume and that sort of thing , as as Louisa said . Um we could maybe come up with a menu , a sort of a an L_C_D_ menu for other functions on the remote control . That's worth thinking about . Um and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well , because um sort of young people are perhaps the ones that are gonna buy buy our new product if we aim it at sort of you know sort of a high-tech design . That that might be the market that we're we're looking for . And we could maybe think about using speech recogniti recognition as a way to find the remote control if it's lost in a room , rather than sort of um having it to {vocalsound} speech recognition to change the channels . 'Cause there's a problem with that in that the television makes noise , so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay um , and that's the end of the slide show . That's it . Cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What was that last wee bit there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do {gap} a lot of um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um about speech recognition ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Speech recognition ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But that was only for young people that preferred it , older people didn't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Youn young people pref Yeah , they s they said that they'd be interested in a remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups , people got less and less interested in sort of a a remote control that you could talk to , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No what I maybe think is um it seems the technology would be quite advanced for that and they might end up costing more than our twelve fifty budget for for the speech recognition . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well that's right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And possibly the thing about the about the remote being lost we could have {disfmarker} You know with your mobile phone , you lose that and you can ring it . Maybe we can have some kind of sensor which is kept somewhere where you can {disfmarker} {gap} some kind of buzzer system between the two . So you can press a button which is always kept in one place",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then it maybe buzzes to somewhere else , wherever the remote actually is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Yeah . Yeah , we'd have t that would mean we'd have to put two products together as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That is true , yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which which again would probably be a bit expensive , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There's key rings um that you kind of whistle at or clap at , I can't remember , and then they whistle back , or something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sounds reasonable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That'd probably be really simple ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they're cheap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I guess it'd be something we could like attach to the {disfmarker} or like the same technology could be put inside the inside the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well if you're trying to avoid having a second product 'cause obviously you could have a second product that gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to say here I am sort of thing , you know without sound recognition . But if you {disfmarker} I know . Um I was gonna say a sharp noise , you know a clapping of hand or whatever . {vocalsound} You'd want to try and av just have the one product that if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah if we if we could have it in the actual remote like everything in one one device .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um I dunno um talking about vo I mean obviously if you've got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it'll recognise the voice and you can give it a command , a set command whatever that happened to be .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But you've then got the point if if you're not going with uh voice recognition then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} you could have an option to turn it off . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Perhaps , um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that would solve the problems with the T_V_ kind of speaking to the remote and changing its own channels .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So uh {vocalsound} Any sugges Well , any conclusions ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um would it take quite a while to sort of develop the speech recognition software in the remote control ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well if it does then we can't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Considering {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's that simple ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because we've got uh th th three um primary um uh requisites from uh from and email uh that was sent to me whereby we had {disfmarker} The design logo was one , which we've already mentioned . We've got um the remote was only for the television and not for {disfmarker} because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the uh third thing was that um teletext uh as far as uh the management is concerned , um is becoming dated uh due to the popularity of the internet . So that means that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so these are the sort of three um extra parameters that have been put on this uh project .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is uh wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So anything that uh is to be added , such as voice recognition et cetera has to be very simple and has to be very quick",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Has to be simple enough to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because time to market is is critical . S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} I suppose if we could get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage over the other remotes . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It would . But probably quick and simple is primary rather than added extras .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Added extras would be nice , but the primary consideration is to get the project finished within uh this short time window , which effectively now is sort of four hours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} and if {disfmarker} and we've gotta get to the end . Uh d d I think I think first and foremost we've gotta get to the end and then get to the end with um added extras if possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Right okay , uh so I need to {disfmarker} Right . So I don't know how long we have left of our uh time . But we have to make the decisions on uh the remote control functions",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "About five minutes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and how we were planning to proceed so that at the next uh meeting each person that's got a a a task to do is clear from this meeting what that task is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We'll also know w when the next meeting is",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I um {disfmarker} so we'll know how long we've got to complete that task . And then we can report back at the next meeting and say right okay yes , we've achieved this or we haven't achieved this , this is how far we've progressed . Does that make reasonable sense ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes that seems right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you're gonna be doing . And if dur between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting , if you get any additional information that uh only you have at that point in time you'd think would be relevant to other people in terms of their des decision making um process , then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do it via the email",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that rather than coming you know {disfmarker} If you get the information just before the next meeting that's fine . Come along with it in the next meeting , we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if you get it well before the next meeting , let everybody else know 'cause that might have an impact on their uh {disfmarker} on what they come up with {vocalsound} effectively at the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , is there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So do we need to decide on the functions now ? S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would guess so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think it'd be really easy and it'd be a big advantage if we did have some sort of um kind of whistle back kind of function .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that'll solve kind of the frustration of losing it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and {disfmarker} Yeah and that was that was the number one sort of frustration that people said , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think there's anything else on the market that does that , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't really know about the voice recognition thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {vocalsound} w well uh i",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should concentrate just on the whistle back function at the moment ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Something simple . Uh if if our primary consideration is to get it there in time , time's short ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if something comes back {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have that as a selling point for the product ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "something that's quick and simple . So ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "sounds good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that wouldn't put off the kind of older generation either , 'cause everyone can whistle or clap , and they wouldn't have to be kind of scared of this new technology .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "On the basis that if we've got {disfmarker} if we're catering to the whole age range , you want something that's easy to do ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "now something that doesn't like whis uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No not everyone can whistle , can they , though ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I I I don't know . Well If you think that more people can whistle than clap then that's fine , then go for that option ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but if {disfmarker} I would have thought that more people could clap rather than whistle ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd go more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "clapping , I think clapping ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , f more for clap .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so uh so clap option .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay we've already decided that we don't need a teletext button , haven't we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Ef effectively that's what the that's what they're saying ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that one of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that uh if uh if people are now using the internet then you don't need teletext ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so so take out teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Taking out teletext , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did we decide on having the ten um the ten numbers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then the the little digit next to it which kind of enabled you to put them together .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think so , so zero to nine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a sort of a second or two to press another number ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you can press any two and it'll sort of put them together .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , ten numbers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then some kind of device to allow uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll put delay to allow um multiple numbers .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or multiple digits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did we decide anything about um the other functions ? As in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that ? You had an had an idea about the menu ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} we could possibly put an L_ {disfmarker} a sort of a L_C_D_ menu in , but that again is probably an expense that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But just thinking um people probably {disfmarker} I mean you don't have {disfmarker} you only have to probably tune in the T_V_ once , but you have to be able to tune it that once .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So and if finally the T_V_ breaks , you get a new one , you're gonna have to be able to tune it . You can't really avoid that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Except the new digital markets which do it by themselves .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But the but that's relying on the television market changing to an automatic",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that'll be in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and if it is at the moment , that's fine . But at the moment it's not , so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters , 'cause otherwise it would make it {disfmarker} uh your device would become inoperable , or only operable in certain circumstances",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and the idea is to have an international market",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's also m it's the the product we've got is something that's at the I would have said the lower end of the s of the cost scale , so we're not really going for something that's uh terribly high-tech .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I s I suppose um if people are buying remotes , then they're probably buying it to replace another remote",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Possibly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause all most tellies come with remotes , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean we're maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older televisions , so we maybe need to keep the the tuning function in . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So how would this menu function work ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would you maybe have like one menu button , then you'd use the other buttons , maybe the number buttons to actually do the separate functions .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like the volume or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that would be a good idea , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause you do need um kind of brightness and contrast and everything as well . My dad was watching a film the other week",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it was too dark , so I had to go through it and turn the brightness up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {gap} we're gonna have the the individual numbers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced um instruction booklet to come with it , to guide {disfmarker} Presu uh I think it'd be quite hard just for people to grasp um just off like the menu {gap} use different buttons you maybe have to have like some better instructions of how that would actually work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} I'm not sure whether the sort of having people have a booklet 'cause one {disfmarker} the second most annoying thing that people found was having to learn the new one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe next to each of the buttons , you know each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it , so you're basically pressing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} that also goes back to the original design when we saw those two , and there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and had too much on it , so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , if we're trying to keep it slee sleek and sexy as well , have you seen those remotes where kind of um the bottom bit slides down , so there's kind of um everything else revealed ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So y Ah That's a very good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you don't use it that much , you don't have to see it all the time . But it's all there if you need it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That is that is a good idea actually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sor sort of a second .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you keep um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a hidden panel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right we've got five minutes before we wind up this meeting , so I've been told . I don't know if you've got the same .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh not quite , but I guess {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So so keep um keep detailed functions um hidden at the back .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Keep the other buttons but hide them away .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . And that'll be better for the older generation as well 'cause , well my dad doesn't like anything that you've got to kinda flick through a menu ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but he can pretty much read a button if it's displayed properly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {vocalsound} we're gonna have to have to work out what's gonna be on these other functions as as well . So we're gonna have like two separate two separate lists , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} data functions hidden at back . Can bring out when needed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So th the {disfmarker} The detailed ones would be sort of brightness ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh sorta {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right so we're dis So you've got which ones are gonna be on the front and which ones are gonna be on the back . We have to decide .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So sh Should we decide in the next couple of minutes , and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So on front ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} about the number {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "numbers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um the volume up and down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the volume ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} volume .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shall we have a mute button as well ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A mute button as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think they're handy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . And probably a power one as well . {vocalsound} Dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know it's probably like um not an issue to raise here , but um the whole thing about not using your standby uh because of the like waste of electricity {gap} . Have you seen the adverts ? Like if you boil the kettle that's full that's a waste .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you leave your telly on standby it powers Blackpool for a certain amount of time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like we should maybe try to discourage people from standby .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then they might not buy it if they haven't got one . 'Cause people might just be too fickle and not want to change .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's maybe too much of a big issue for here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So so are you having the stand-by on the front , then ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We can send out a flier with the device saying that you shouldn't leave it on stand-by .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh-oh danger sign .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think you probably should .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but a little bit smaller .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Compromise .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um are we gonna have the channel up and down as well as the number buttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um 'cause yeah the market research said there is quite a lot of people do just zap around and flick , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we'll have um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we've got ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen there ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Channel up and down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What else have we got ? What was that , sixteen ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Numbers is ten , volume is twelve ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Volume button . How many volumes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "th Yeah si One up , one down .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "On mute .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And a mute , yeah . That's sixteen isn't it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is there anything else ? Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so , no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Power button , stand-by , channel , up and down . So is that it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . That's sixteen buttons , you reckon . And then at the back ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You've got brightness and contrast .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if we're gonna run out of time , one of us should come up with a list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and say what they're gonna be .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So on the back it'll have brightness , contrast ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "anything else ? You're also gonna have the channel tuner {gap} , as it were .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh there's audio functions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So tuner up and down , I guess .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Tuner , would that have up and down ? {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um up {disfmarker} Tune one way , tune the o",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think they normally do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} okay {gap} . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I dunno I dunno possibly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then maybe sort of an enter button for sort of s you know , saying that you want that particular thing tuned in . So you go up and down and then it pick it finds something and then you wanna press enter to select it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah and th and a enter button just to select . Yeah , okay . Um I guess we're keeping s it simple . We don't really need any other audio funct uh functions because it's just volume up , volume down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um up volume , yeah , I would have thought so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I think um there's quite a lot of like Dolby surround studio , surround sort of things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do they have their own {disfmarker} do they have their own controls on their actual products , then ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um maybe for the younger market .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or do you have to do it via the remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um I think they've got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I suppose if we've got their {disfmarker} if they've got their own controls then we can avoid it for ours just to keep it simple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , I mean um like there's kind of individual buttons for them , like on the T_V_ remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I don't really know what they're for ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I've never used them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I just know they're something to do with Dolby .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe unless something comes up then we should I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well you might get some research . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well shall we look into that and just get back together .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right so I'll do the minutes of uh this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we'll meet back at I'm not sure . Um forty minutes , I believe is the time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Come on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "The project manager gave a brief review of the last meeting. After the Industrial Designer's presentation about the components of the remote and team's discussion about it, the team agreed that the kinetic power supply, simple push buttons and a simple circuit board and a finder feature are better choices for the remote. Then, the team discussed the design of the remote. They made the decision that standard rubber case and rubber buttons and a single curve are better choices for the remote, and the shape of buttons should be simple.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer gave a presentation about his findings on each of the components of the remote control. Then the team discussed the power supply, buttons, circuit board and speech recognition system of the remote. They finally agreed that they should use a kinetic power supply, simple push buttons and a simple circuit board. And a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature would be a better choice.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer suggested that simple push buttons just require a simple chip, so that would keep the cost of the remote down.",
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"answer": "User Interface thought that there were many remotes that already had the function of voice recognition, so it was better not to compete with that sort of remote and to find a different viewpoint of finding the lost control. She believed that a finder function rather than a speech function would be a better choice for their remote.",
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"content": "Okay . Right . Conceptual design meeting . Right . Okay , so {disfmarker} Right well um from the last meeting {vocalsound} I was trying to send you the minutes , but uh it didn't work out too well , so maybe in sort of um quick summary of the last uh meeting , I can quickly give you what we what we had .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh right , so {disfmarker} Wishing I hadn't closed the damn {disfmarker} Right so we had the fact that we're gonna have the the logo uh the company logo in its uh colour scheme incorporated onto the the device the remote device . We had uh made our decisions about uh made our decisions about uh the device itself , that it was gonna be simple to make it uh enable us to complete the project in time . We're gonna have uh effectively two pages , a front page which had the uh features that the uh the customers most wanted , and then the uh the backup features on the second page so that it could uh meet the technical requirements . And the customers wouldn't have to look at them too often , only as and when required . So . So basically what decisions uh have we uh made ? Uh have there been any uh changes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we all have a presentation again ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so if we go through those and then um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Three presentation , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Shall I go first again ? {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah , fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I see {gap} this a little more smoothly than the last one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay right , let's get started . Um basically the uh for the {disfmarker} Um I'll {gap} back actually . For the components design , um next step is basically the the way the remote's gonna work is still the same idea as before . We still have the user interface which is all the buttons we're gonna incorporate . Then there is a chip and still the sender . So um yes {gap} including the power s supply as well . Um I'll go on to my findings in each of these areas . Uh first in the power supply , we have the option of just the standard battery , um . {vocalsound} There's a dynamo . Any of you think of kind of like the the old torches which you wind up {gap} um . There's a kinetic option , which if any of you've seen those new watches which you kind of you power up by waving around , um it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries wouldn't have to be replaced . Um that's one option ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think that was gonna cost a little more . And then there's solar cells . Um as a final option . For the buttons , we have um an integrated push button , which is {disfmarker} Oh just to say all all these are um supplied by Real Reaction . So I guess for the ease of for quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um so for the buttons there's an integrated push button , which I guess is just the same as the standard ones . This says it's uh similar to uh the button on the mouse for a normal {disfmarker} for like uh like modern computer . Um there's a scroll wheel which is {disfmarker} you know the new mouse has just got like the centre section which you can scroll up and down , which may be for the volume .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You could do do that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um one issue for the buttons is , depending on which material we use , if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case , so we have to take that into consideration . Um moving on to the printed s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What would be the cost do do we know ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um that's on the next {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I th I think the there wasn't too much difference in the cost , that that related to the actual buttons , but it does affect the printed circuit board . Um which is the next section . Basically for the circuit board which is the middle , it's just {disfmarker} see it down there the chips like the like the workings of the actual um of the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The firm supplies a simple , a regular and an advanced um circuit board . And there's different prices according to each . So if we've got the scroll wheel for one of the buttons , that would require a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard um push button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um one final thing we came up with was some information on the speech recognition . There's a small unit available through the company um which obviously would be an extra cost , but it wouldn't affect the size of the remote too much . Um and I guess that would require a more advanced circuit board , so there is an extra price in that sense . There is th sorry an extra cost in that sense . Um going to my personal preferences , um I thought possibly for power we could use kinetic um which is the idea of the watches um that you move you move the remote around to power it up . And this would avoid batteries running out , having to replace batteries and such like . Um for the buttons , I thought we'd probably get away with just having the standard um push buttons rather than the scroll wheel . Um and for the circuit board , again depends on which features we want in the actual in the remote . So if we wanted the scroll wheel and wanted the voice recognition , um then we'd have to get a a more costly circuit board . And that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} with the printed circuit boards you were going for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um i it kind of depends um if we're gonna have the speech recognition , we'd have to probably get an advanced one . I'm guessing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh but I don't know , so that is something I'll have to look into .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But are we going f R right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um that's a that's a decision for all of us . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So are we able to make that decision now in a sense that this is the point at which we're discussing that issue ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . We decide . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so would it not be best to {disfmarker} rather than {disfmarker} I mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisions going back to the various presentations as they were . The other way would be to do the presentation",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then make the decision at that point in time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Maybe w",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's probably a better one , to discuss it straight away .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause at that point then you've got the details up there , so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll wheel required the regular {gap} and what required advance . Then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in time",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then that would be the end of that issue . Does that make sense ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um I have a lot of the information there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It might not be very clear .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is there {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Unless you want to plug it back in to yours .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . We could do , yeah . Um yeah we should {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As I say it only specified that we need a more advanced circuit board for the scroll wheel ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it didn't {disfmarker} The voice recognition came as a separate piece of information . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No the scroll wheel required the regular , so the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah if if you {gap} down um . It's just this bit at the bottom which I've highlighted ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but the scroll wheel requires a mini m minimally a regular chip ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which is in the higher price range .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . The display requires an advanced chip",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the scroll wheel um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Also the display's for something else which we decided against . Um but that bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And note that the push button just requires a simple chip , so that would keep the price down .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and if we're going for sleek and sexy , I think a scroll wheel is maybe a bit kinda bulky ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I've got um pictures well I've seen pictures with it kind of sticking off the side of it ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they don't really look great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So maybe just a simple push button , and that would cut costs on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So . So we're going for p Okay . So {gap} is um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So are we going for the w are we going for the simple one , are we ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a simple pushbuttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Simple push button . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Did everyone get this on the speech recognition ? The um it was basically what we said before , the idea that you record in a set message , and then it picks up that message um and replies to you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it is basically the concept we discussed before . Um but then we don't know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm guessing it would , but {gap} got like the definite information . Maybe we should go on what we're certain of rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if we go for the simple push button , so effectively we're going for the simple printed circuit board are we ? Or are we going for the regular ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um if it's just the push button then it just needs the simple circuit board .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm . But is there any other {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean okay , that's true for the {disfmarker} for for that element , but we have to take all {gap} el elements into consideration . And so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one , or say the regular one , or the more advanced , then that would have to be the same for all of them . S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I suppose we need we need to find out what circuit board that requires , maybe before we {gap} m make a decision .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the way that I interpret that um it doesn't seem to send out a signal to the telly , it just {disfmarker} it's like a parrot just rep reply replying to your message .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , I suppose so , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe that would be something separate , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I don't think it would effect our circuit board .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we'd have a simple circuit board",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that would be an extra that would be in addition to it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that makes sense .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And I don't think you could really perform any of the remote functions with it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause the example that they've given there is good morning coffee machine , good morning Jo .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It might be useful to say like where are you remote . Here I am , Jo .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But I think that's maybe as far as that one could go ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that makes sense , so we'd stick with the simple circuit board and then think of the speech recognition as an extra an extra possibility .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , just as a fun way to find it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Simple circuit board . Simple push button . Okay . W w kinetic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it says that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You were you were wanting to go for the kinetic power supply .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it said the cost of that isn't too much .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah I I thought so just for {disfmarker} just for ease of not having to replace the batteries .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And how does it get uh charged up ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's um I think it works on the basis they have some kind of ball bearings inside . It's um it's some on watches which you you kind of you shake to power it up . Somehow the mechanism inside powers up through movement .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you'd you'd move the remote around a little bit and then that powers it up to use it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the speech recognition was {disfmarker} Are we going for speech recognition ? No ? 'Cause that required the advanced {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I think it would be helpful to find it , but I don't think it'd um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah I think {disfmarker} did we decide it didn't affect the circuit board , it just affected {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just just for the call and find thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It was just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I had speech recognition requires advanced req require",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no th that's what that's what I thought , but maybe maybe it doesn't {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I think I might have got that wrong .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it's s it's separate isn't it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Speech recognition you reckon then is s simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's not part of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's it's just an addition thing it's um yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And so we would want it in as an extra because it doesn't appear to cost too much . Would that be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay shall I pass on to you now ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In fact , it wouldn't really cost anymore , would it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll just just check what it said . Actually I don't think it really says anything about the cost , but it says that it's already in the coffee machines , so like it's already kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I assume it would cost extra , but {disfmarker} Maybe we maybe we'll find out how much that does cost and have to decide slightly later .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And then have to change all {vocalsound} change {gap} everything at the last minute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} Oh , that was quick . Um okay , so very brief presentation , um . From looking at the remotes that are out there at the minute , none of them are particularly um sleek and sexy . Um I haven't actually got the examples of the scroll button there , um but there's some curved cases that you can see , uh a range of sizes uh . All of them have a lot of buttons there um they seem to just have the rubber buttons . Does that move it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It just seems to be skipping on without us doing anything . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I've found that {gap} try and get it back .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you right click and then go onto a previous slide .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . There wasn't much more to say about that , just rambling . {vocalsound} Um some of the uh remotes that I looked at , one of the models da did actually have voice recognition where you could um where it was connected to the remote control functions . And uh it was quite uh a swish model , where it can control uh four devices , T_V_ , cable , satellite , video , D_V_D_ , audio . Um so that's a bit of competition there . So I mean maybe it's better not to try and compete with that sort of thing and just to market it as a completely different um like different viewpoint as a kind of finding your lost control",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "rather than trying to compete with the functions . Um the scroll buttons , as you've already mentioned , um there's examples of those , but they don't look as sleek as other models . And there's no real advantage and {disfmarker} because it impacts on other {disfmarker} on the materials and the price it's not great .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On the price , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you were saying the scroll buttons {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Yeah . Th there was a specialist type of remote that we could think about , um . There was children's remote , where um they just had a very limited range of buttons and they were b uh bright and colourful and um you you could program them so that they could only look at certain channels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but I don't know if that's really in our field ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess I guess we're going for the biggest market , {gap} maybe not ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But that's something that's out there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Was it was it specified that we went for the biggest ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we're to go for the international market rather than a local market but that that wouldn't necessarily preclude {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The one thing that you can often do with products is you can uh make small modifications . So you have your basic model which you would sell at whatever , and then you could have additional features in you know like a {disfmarker} You'd have model one , model two and model three , and therefore you can sub-divide your market up . But that's really where your field is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe the children's remote should be like a a next step , but maybe I dunno for ours , maybe we should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Anyway you could add on for an extra package , but on this basic one I'm reckoning that we're going for the basic model to be discussed here and that uh you would have for future reference the possibility of adding in extra features at extra cost to take care of specialist market segments .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right well that's something that we can be aware of .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So so what are we deciding to do here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . I think because there's already um very good voice recognition technology out there , and because ours might not cover the same functions that the leading brands do , it might be a good idea to market it as a um finder function .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm-hmm . Uh the fi Yeah , the finder function rather than as a speech function to find your remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you also said for going for the international market um that some some maybe older people might not like the speech recognition . S s so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Different languages might not be compatible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . It w it would make it quite complicated ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "where um ours at least keeps it fairly simple and then the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause I think you program um this one yourself , like to say like whatever you want to your question .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and ours is quite a cheap device , so I don't know how much we'll be able to put into it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you'd have a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you were talking",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe unless something else comes up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . And you were talking about scroll buttons ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah I think um I think we've decided that it's gonna increase the cost",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and give no real kinda extra benefit",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} b",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it's gonna decrease from the sleekness of it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so we're just gonna have the the rubber buttons , was that right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm um and just to be aware that there are kind of specialist functions and specialist remotes but we probably don't want to focus on those like such as the children's remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So not to be focused on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um there was a mention just as kind of a warning about button design . Um just to avoid ambiguity . So it gave the example of say your volume buttons for up and down , they might both have a V_ on for volume , {disfmarker} Um let's think how they did this .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good in in {disfmarker} Flip it round in ninety degree a hundred and eighty degrees and have it up and down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just gonna check so I do this right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "An upside-down V_ . So that would show that volume was going up , whereas the one underneath would see the volume going down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . What did they say ? Um I think the thing was that if you decide to do this , to have triangular buttons , um somebody might look at this one and say oh well this triangular button is pointing up , and that's the first thing that they see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually that can't be right , can it ? Oh well , no , they might see yeah , they might see this pointing down and think right that's gonna turn the volume down ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "whereas the actual button's pointing up , so the function is to turn the button up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , be careful what you put on the buttons",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we could have like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and be careful of the shape that you make them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because they might be kind of two um contradicting kind of shapes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I I know what you mean . So maybe we could have volume written on the side and then up and down on the on the buttons themselves .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could have volume up and volume {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Possible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} Volume up , down and {disfmarker} Like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And 'cause the idea was to have limited um {disfmarker} it was to have sizable amount of information on it . Limited number of buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it was sixteen buttons , wasn't it that were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah we got it down to not too many .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and I think that's all I had to say for that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um so what was the decision on the um design of the volume button ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Are we are we gonna go through the design of all the buttons at the moment , or are we gonna t",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've I've got some things to say about possible design things from trend watching .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe we should see yours first .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool . Right , um I've been looking at some trends in in sort of basically fashion on top of doing the um research into the remote control market the the one {disfmarker} that's the one I talked about last time , that we'd sort of asked people about remote controls and what what was good about them , what was bad , what they used . And we've also been looking at sort of fa sort of fashions and what people are wanting out of consumer goods at the moment . So we've had people in Paris and Milan watching the uh fashion trends .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You know {gap} yourself . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So just to summarise the most important things which came out of the remote control market investigation . The most important thing was that the thing sort of look and felt fancy rather than just functional .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And second , there should be some technological innovation . And then third and l less important than the other two , there should be an ease of use as well . And apparently , the fashion trends {vocalsound} are that people want sort of clothes and shoes and things with a fruit and vegetables theme .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um but um the feel of the material should be spongy ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which is contrary to last year , apparently . I presume it must have been not not spongy last year .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So we need to emphasise the fancy design with on on our remote control above all else . And then also try and add in technological informat innovation which could be our sort of find the thing with a hand clap . And then we need to ma sort of make it easy to use that's as a third priority , so perhaps um fewer fewer buttons and functions as we've as we've discussed .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then maybe find a way to incorporate these trends so that we sort of capture people's imaginations . So maybe we could make the buttons shaped like fruit and veg , or the the buttons could be spongy , uh somehow . Maybe we could make them out of rubber rather than sort of hard plastic . And then sort of even wackier than that , we could maybe have a fruit or vegetable shaped remote , say in the shape of a banana or something like that . {vocalsound} Right , so that'll be it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a banana or courgette or something . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How how far we actually want to go along and sort of follow the trends , do we think the trends are particularly important for this type of gadget , or or you know , do they not matter that much ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think if you start making the buttons fruit shaped , it might make it more complicated to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well you were just talking about you've got to be careful how you shape your buttons , 'cause you're can mis-direct people . And I would've thought the functionality {disfmarker} 'cause the people get cheesed off by things {disfmarker} by having to read instructions et cetera , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": ".. .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe just one button , say the standby button is quite kinda separate from all the other functions . Maybe that could be a little apple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Maybe yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Now ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then that wouldn't get in the way of like kinda one to nine ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it wouldn't confuse the numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Stand-by button . No th that that incorporates the trend whilst at the same time not confusing people , if you're looking for functionality .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I dunno I I guess maybe fruit and vegetables may be popular at the moment , but as we know how fickle the fashion markets are ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But what are they gonna be next {disfmarker} Yeah . What are they gonna be next year . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But but th but okay but you you can incorporate the tr If y if you change all the buttons then you've got the problem that this year's fruit and veg , next year's uh {vocalsound} I was gonna say animals or elephants or w whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That means you're constantly changing your production schedule ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you've gotta make different moulds and everything else ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that's not a good idea I would I would suggest .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not I'm not sure what what what the sort of timescale we're thinking of selling the product over is . I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean it just seems realistic that the remote control market isn't the kind of thing which takes in those kinds of fashion trends .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} to something which is maybe more universal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I suppose as long as it's quite a subtle design ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um even if the design kind of changes , {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We c maybe can imply a fruit shape possibly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah d d But if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the spongy feel is something we could think about , um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Well . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe still with a rubber design we could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Was that in the sort of fashion sense that this {disfmarker} Or was {disfmarker} the spongy feel was that uh sort of fashion ? It was , wasn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It seems like you're gonna have rubber cases , as well as buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that you can make them curved or double-curved and that would be the kind of sleek and sexy look .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah yeah one of the things were if you had rubber buttons then you had to have a rubber case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um oh no no no",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , that fits , doesn't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "sorry it's if you use the uh rubber double curved case then you must use rubber buttons . That's the way round . If you have the rubber case then you have to have the rubber buttons to go with it . Which makes sense .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Rubber buttons require rubber case . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that would fit in with what we want , wouldn't it , for the spongy feel , to have everything rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh so , yeah . The m the main problem is how f how frequently do the fashions change ? 'Cause in essence in the production you want things to stay {disfmarker} you want to basically mint them out",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause if you've got fashion changes and that you're incorporating , then it means that your stock is um is last year's stock",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and therefore you're selling it or having to sell it at a discounted rate which you wouldn't want to do . Whereas if you kept the product the same but you could have a difference from year to year , uh it seems to me that you could incorporate a fashion statement if you like , rather than changing the whole kit and caboodle .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You're just changing one aspect like like the standby button or something like that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and especially 'cause then you could make it something that {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I suppose we maybe are limited in the fact that we still have to put the logo on the actual {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , you might be limited in space , that {vocalsound} yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} would or not . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well you two are obviously gonna find that out fairly quickly when you move over to your kit modelling stage as to uh how much pl how much how much how pliable is Plasticine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could think of the the cases like changing with the fashions",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "like the Nokia phones where you could take the casing off the outside . But whether that would be too much to incorporate in production ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "whether that would just increase the costs ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "make it more complicated .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you're talking there about uh changing changing the casing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's possibly it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the a the actual the sort of the look from the outside , so where the buttons would stay the same , and the general function of the remote would stay the same ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but you could change the the way it looked .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and then you could have {disfmarker} Oh but you still would have to have the logo on every new case ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but you could have like pink cases for girls and red ones and things like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you you could do a colour change , so therefore you would yeah yeah {disfmarker} I mean that's effectively what they did with the with the mobile phones , was to have some in blue , some in red , some in {disfmarker} rather than all in black",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or , you know , which four do you want , as long as it's black ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But uh so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it is a possibility , um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But we are supposed to use the um company colour scheme , aren't we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes oh that's true",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We haven't really seen that yet",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay yes",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh that might no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It might {disfmarker} and we might be able to do both but it might clash with certain things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well not necessarily , because you could have your company uh {disfmarker} We're we're meant to be finishing up . You could have your company badge and logo . I mean a lot of um computers for instance like like on the one you've got there , it actually has a sort of um stick on badge",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so what you would al all you would really need , whether it , you know , whether the casing be w any colour , could be any colour , but that badge would then have to stick out on top of it so that uh in a sense , with a with a logo like that , because it's on a white background , the only colour that it might not stick out so well on would be a white casing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you you know you're sort of you're badging it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And in fact a lot of companies get somebody else to make them and literally just badge them themselves with their own uh badge over the top .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And in fact the way they've got that there even if you had that on a white , which is the predominant colour of the uh the Windows badge , you'd still be able to see it clearly from you know a white casing uh product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And whether we'd have a big enough market to have this kind of like secondary market of selling the cases might be something to consider .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if it's for young people , um like the phone generation , that sort of thing'd probably go down well ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and the market research has been on that side of things , hasn't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean it's people say that it's the look , they want the fancy looking thing but I'm {disfmarker} Yeah . I'm not convinced on whether having changeable covers would be something that people would buy into . I think with the mobiles , it's the , you know it's a communication device , people see you with it all about and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I suppose ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "where you you keep the remote hidden under the sofa most of the time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "i if it",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's uh in in the house , isn't it , I suppose .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so if we just went for one colour of a rubber case {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So don't change case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Change case colour . And we're sort of saying no to that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did we decide on the rubber case ? The spongy feel , or did we think that that might go as a trend ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , it was different last year . The trend was different last year apparently . It was not not spongy feel . But {disfmarker} I don't know whether the trend will change . I don't know whether it's one of those things that like sort of having all fruit shaped keys , that that probably would go out of fashion very quickly ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "whereas just the fact that it was a rubber case is probably less less of something that y you're gonna end up hating in a year , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , less likely to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sounds reasonable . {vocalsound} {gap} If you're going for fashion trends like that they'll need t you'd have to have interchangeable cases",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So then th th that would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so that you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or 'cause otherwise someone's gonna have to buy a complete new remote rather than just a case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it seems to make sense that we we'd just maybe stick with the standard rubber case ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then have the standard rubber buttons as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh we haven't really talked about uh the curvature of the case . There's flat ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "there's single-curved and there's double-curved .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . Mayb",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not exactly sure what these things look like .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe curves give it like the slightly more aesthetic feel ? But the double curve wouldn't require us to perform miracles with the Plasticine . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it says that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "When you say d when you say double-curved , what what exactly does that mean ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not exactly sure . {vocalsound} Um I'll show you the remotes that I've got .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "See how uh {disfmarker} Let's just get that bigger . See how uh the one {disfmarker} Oh I'm not plugged in , am I ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No you're not connected to me anymore . {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That doesn't help . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One one thing to cons",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shall I just turn it round for time ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "one thing to consider is that in some ways you want um {disfmarker} by having a fairly standard case it means they can all fit together on top of each other",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} That should come up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "therefore for storage purposes in shops and the like and it makes it easier that you can {disfmarker} if you can store them up on top of each other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whereas if you do um fancy things with it , you then gotta put it in a ca a a packaging box that that does that . And the cost of packaging could be quite important vis-a-vis the total cost of the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So shall we go through quickly and just work out what we've decide on , if we have to kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um it's not very clear up there ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but you can see some of them have got kind of bulges , like the second one and the end one uh where there's a curve there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not exactl I don't know if a double curve is maybe it comes up slightly , or ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's what I was trying to work out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But um it is a kinda sleeker look if you've got curves in there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . S so do you wanna go for curves , more curves ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Shall we",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're meant to be f we're meant to be finishing this meeting in about a minute or so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Definitely a single , maybe a double .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , so shall we quickly {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Shall we go for single curve , just to compromise ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We'll go for single curve , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Single curve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "curved or double curved ? So it's single curved .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So did we did we decide on the kinetic power supply ? The one you move around ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think that think that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the rubber push buttons , rubber case .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Rubber {disfmarker} Rubber buttons and case .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um and we don't really know much about the colour scheme or logo yet do we ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh we ca",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but possibly a sticker .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah , we'll still have the {disfmarker} Are we gonna go for the simple circuit board just to keep the cost down ? I th I think we can by by not having anything too complicated {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah and and the voice recognition , we can use that can't we , just to find it . Without affecting the circuit board .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And see we could always decide against it if something comes up that's just something to {disfmarker} that we seemed to leave out .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And then are we going for sort of one button shaped like a fruit . {vocalsound} Or veg .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that sounds like it wouldn't do too much harm in a couple of years . Uh what sort of shape do we want ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we've got spongy feel buttons as well , have we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Don't know , maybe just",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "As well as {disfmarker} or w or was that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's ru rubber buttons , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's rubber buttons ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's not really spongy feel buttons , it's just rubber buttons . With a rubber case right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's not too wacky .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Reasonably spongy I guess , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the standby button is gonna be different .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I think an apple would be a good recognisable shape . If you start getting into kinda aubergines and things , it gets a bit weird .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so what what shape are we making the standby button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} . Apple ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A apple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Vote ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh oh {disfmarker} Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Shall we vote on it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We will go for the a a a apples apples .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anyone got any suggestions ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Apple apple a a qu Quite a big one , as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Ah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A big apple . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well it could be red .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could be a red apple , yeah . Either , don't mind .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A red apple ? Is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause we wanna incorporate a bit of colour if we can , once we find out um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And then we're gonna {disfmarker} are you gonna work on keeping the button design quite simple ? Just like the {disfmarker} Just working out what we're gonna do for the next time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah that seems pretty straight forward .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause most of them will just be kind of mainly circular or like very plain .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry what was that last thing again there ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh just to keep the shape of the buttons simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right {gap} much option on that . I thought you were going for a single curve and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah just the uh shape of the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And j yeah , just keeping the sort of the labelling them labelling of them fairly simple as well . Fairly sort of self explanatory .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , so shape of buttons simple . Okay . So that's that , I guess . We should now go away and get these things sorted out . {gap} I guess you two are on plasticine duty or whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that the end ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Looks like it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
ES2014d
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"9",
"186"
]
],
"topic": "Prototype presentation"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"187",
"385"
]
],
"topic": "Evaluation of the prototype against evaluation criteria"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"386",
"647"
]
],
"topic": "Discussion of the prototype in order to fit into the budget"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"648",
"796"
]
],
"topic": "Evaluation of the process of the project"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "User Interface and Industrial Designer gave a presentation about the prototype of the remote control based on the team's discussion in the previous meeting. Then the team evaluated the prototype against various criteria they formulated. After that, the team discussed adjusting the design of the remote in order to fit into the budget. Finally, the team evaluated the whole process of the project.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "The evaluated the prototype against some criteria formulated in response to the market research and financial consideration. The team agreed that the features of fancy appearance and technical innovation were mutually exclusive. Besides, they all believed that their product incorporated elements of fashion to attract buyers and it fit in with their company's other products. Then, the team discussed the budget of the product.",
"query": "Summarize the team's evaluation of the prototype.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"187",
"385"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer thought it was fancy because the product had a single curve and the material of the rubber was fashionable at that time.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think of the look of the product when discussing the evaluation of the prototype.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"200",
"226"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface thought that the product incorporated elements of fashion to attract buyers because some of the buttons were shaped like cherry and it was spongy.",
"query": "What did User Interface think about the attractiveness of the product when discussing the evaluation of the prototype?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"307",
"319"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The team thought the creativity of the team was okay, as they felt that they got chances to express themselves well enough, but there were still some problems in their process of discussion. Then, Industrial Designer gave an example on how to improve the creativeness of the team. The team believed that their team work went well. As for the methods of discussion, Project manager thought that he was still not familiar with the operation of computers.",
"query": "Summarize the team's evaluation of the process of the project.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"648",
"796"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager thought that the team members showed their creativeness during the course of the meeting. But the flow of information on a given subject was sometimes disjointed.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the creativeness of the team when discussing the process of the project?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"675",
"693"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface thought that the team members can't all fairly comment on leadership because Project Manager is the leader, and the other member's experience of leadership wasn't as much as the Project Manager.",
"query": "What did User Interface think of the evaluation of the team's leadership when discussing the process of the project?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"754",
"766"
]
]
}
] |
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"content": "So is {disfmarker} Why not save that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {disfmarker} Do you want to replace existing file , no . {vocalsound} I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you have to you have to close that window . 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so {disfmarker} And then find it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} spreadsheet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , but I've ta uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right , I'll just re-do it . That's the easiest way . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we've made our prototype anyway . We can have a good look at that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You pass it round to have a look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm very nice .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well . And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit {disfmarker} the panel that you pull down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we've got the stick on the button with the company logo on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it is , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cherry would be alright actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of {disfmarker} you think apple , you think computers , like Apple Mac .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , we might get a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Copyright , yeah . What's this this one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and cherries are fun , summery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's that one there ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah , that's the mute .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For the M_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound} It {disfmarker} it'd probably have to be labelled mute .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They're thinking {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But um , we didn't have anything small enough to write .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For the first time , well it was hard to get the h um the actual labelling on the individual buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , we just chose simple shapes for all them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , the important ones are the volume ones . So we made them a bit bigger . The mute could possibly be a bit smaller .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hum , you separate off in colour the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons , so you've got the volume in orange on design there ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and the the channel is in blue .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "R right . Um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and we chose a V_ plus and V_ minus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "all these things have cost implications . And so when I done my thing on cost {vocalsound} a {disfmarker} I had assumed that the only uh button that would be a different colour would be the uh the red apple button . So {disfmarker} However , I've now {gap} . {vocalsound} But um , {vocalsound} yeah so uh but there would be a cost implication on that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll see if I can find them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker} as I suppose that {vocalsound} so whether {vocalsound} wanted to put in all these colours , would be uh open to debate , I suppose .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sis",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well the colours wouldn't {disfmarker} like that's {disfmarker} they wouldn't be too important ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but we didn't have any white Play-Doh . {vocalsound} So that's where the colour buttons came from . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} An important consideration .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right , okay so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And the second one underneath would be the idea for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , we'll have the slide-away .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay . So we've got um detail design meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bottom .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . So {disfmarker} So , we've got {vocalsound} prototype presentation , which we've just done , evaluation criteria , um and finance , so I guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various uh aspects that we're looking for uh from um our previous meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So other than the fact that it doesn't have the second layer , but um obviously obviously it would .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But other than that , we got the red apple . We got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and {vocalsound} the bit after the evaluation criteria is uh is the finance . {vocalsound} And the {vocalsound} and the cost implication .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The only snag about this is that uh {vocalsound} the cost is probably kind of important . So um , and then the production evaluation , as to how easy that would be to uh to manufacture .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , and whether it would uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} So if you had to do a presentation or {disfmarker} will you just work it on the prototype ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This this is a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , that's it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yes , this is our presentation of the prototype .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's the pr",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , so uh as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost {disfmarker} aye the production cost 'cause you may remember that was one of the first uh considerations was to be in d under um uh twelve fifty or two and a half {disfmarker} uh twelve and a half Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , there's no redesign . So that should uh {disfmarker} Right , so , seems to me that the thing that I have to do is is quickly find that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Could we get this on the board just so we can see {disfmarker} or do you mean do you have the figures there ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} we should {gap} plug it in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna plu do you wanna plug it in into the the back of that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , Alice . So , sh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We could do it as we d go along , the production costs , looking at the prototype .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay this should be then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so , by the fact that we've got uh the simple chip and the uh kinetic energy source , we've got a single curved case . We've got a rubber uh case materials supplements . So , we had decided that we're having rubber buttons and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Have a push button interface .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . W the button supplements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , originally , I thought there would just be uh one in there because it was the one red apple . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the so the real w the real question then would come in . Do you make all the buttons {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well do we'll do it on the prototype ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "O",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so do two , see how much it is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , so we've got one special button form , which was the apple . Everything else is gonna be a standard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've got special material , rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera and that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then we'd have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so , I was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} originally , I was thinking {gap} rubber wasn't special ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but according to this , maybe it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} And the r I mean effectively we've got sixteen buttons that we're gonna have on there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think you just do one , don't you , for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W {vocalsound} I don't know {vocalsound} is {vocalsound} is {vocalsound} is the sort of answer , is that meant to be all sixteen buttons , and therefore {disfmarker} I mean , what's the op The option was maybe not to have rubber buttons , but just to have the one that was soft and spongy , and therefore {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think I think it's just it's just a one . Else {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whereas it would be {disfmarker} the special colour would be for the {disfmarker} So you would only have the one special button that was rubber , whereas the rest would be hard plastic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thi I think I think the button supplement i is just a supplement for all the buttons {gap} made in a different material , rather than per button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Every design change is uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sound] I dunno ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay , um , if we just had all the buttons as standard , except for the one red apple , then that would take care of that , I guess . We'd have one special colour and one special button form .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And when I plugged that in last time {disfmarker} {gap} remember it has to be under twelve and a half . As far as I know , that um {vocalsound} that took care of the uh of the various supplements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And if {disfmarker} What happened ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You've just gone off the window into another one . It's on the bottom row .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if you just minimise that one in the top right-hand corner of the little box .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now , right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so , but the point would be that if we uh if we just did special {disfmarker} Sorry , you were saying that it would be that one , that you would put in one there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's nine point one there so we've got some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it {disfmarker} Well , is it s is {disfmarker} no , it's nine point seven I've got .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just give us a bit of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , that would {vocalsound} that would work out fine if uh uh as assuming your correction are are {vocalsound} {disfmarker} assuming that that one change covers all the buttons , then that would be fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And there's nothing else as far as I can see that we we had uh planned to put on {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {gap} switching around those th um on the electronics we got the sample sensor . At the moment we've just got the simple chip , which costs one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I guess the sample sens sample speaker would be the voice recognition thing , which puts up to four ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We should be slightly over our budget but if we gather something else down to slightly lower standard , and maybe go with the one the special form buttons , then we could have the speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , hold on . Um , if we Okay , that gives us twelve point seven",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh maybe if we got rid of like the maybe one of the special colours , kept them all the same colour , then we could have the voice recognition",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But remember that the idea was to keep it the colour of the {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "without {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see , so just take out the special colour for the apple and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , {gap} . D wouldn't you have to keep the simple chip there as well ? You know how you turn that one to a zero , wouldn't the chip and the sample speaker be separate things ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we have to have it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh possibly , yeah , yeah maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so you need both of them ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe um we'd be giving up on the kinetic . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And go for battery instead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would give you one less .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We should {disfmarker} Yeah , that would save us one , though we'd still be slightly ov",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you reckon that i I mean the thing is that you wanted to a appeal to people and not have to replace batteries .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . Well , since it's the {disfmarker} through the whole technology type thing , um , you were saying in the market research that people like kind of interesting gadgets in them . Um , whether they would figure the {vocalsound} the s uh sample senor and the sample speaker , voice recognition be sort of a worthwhile thing to have .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then still have the batteries ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or whatever they would prefer not uh {disfmarker} You know what I mean ? The the problem was the battery's running out and losing the um losing the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you gotta decide which of those is more important to them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But which do you think {disfmarker} or which do we think is the more important of the options ? In a sense , at the moment , we've got a total which we need to reduce down by one point two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the voice recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "At least . Remember that was a minimum requirement . The other option if we're planning on just going for something cheap and cheerful , would be to um make it {gap} originally , we're gonna make it a simple product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shall we shall we evaluate the prototype as we've got it now first , and then sort of make decisions about what needs to be changed after ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Makes sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right um , I have a little thing . So , we've all got a note of {disfmarker} it's thirteen point seven , isn't it , with everything we want on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Sorry , do you want that back up ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I just had a presentation to do . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I do think uh the v uh voice recognition thing would be more impressive than the fact that it's got no battery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , but remember the main {disfmarker} the only reason we were planning on having the voice recognition was so that they could find the remote if it got lost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm . {vocalsound} Right okay um , This is about the evaluation criteria that we use for the the prototype we've got here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And so the method is that the design team makes a prototype , and we evaluate the prototype against some criteria that we've formulated . And those ones are gonna be in response to sort of market research , and also finance , I guess . {vocalsound} And do that on a scale from say true being one and false being seven , so if it's neither true nor false , then that's four . So , I got a set of criteria just based on the marketing that we need to add in a financial one as well , at the end . Um so , We have to say whether it's true or false that the product looks and feels fancy . Um {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} whether the product demonstrates technical innovation . Whether it's easy to use . Whether it's incorporating sort of the fashion element to attract the buyer . And whether it's a sort of recognisable Real Reaction product . And I have to go up onto the whiteboard and do this apparently ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so {vocalsound} I'll go over here . {vocalsound} Right . So the first one is um , does the product look and feel fancy . So if we do a sort of a one {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well we have a single curve , which was {gap} maybe like the feel of the product's quite good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , then we have the rubber kinda spongy feel , which was in at the time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} sorry that'd be considered fancy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I'd maybe give it a a two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Of {disfmarker} but I think {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} Is one false , or is t one true ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One's true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I forgot . One's true , and okay . Seven's fal",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And a four is neutral .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Four is neutral , okay . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe {gap} maybe a two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause we haven't got the double curve , so we can't like say it's completely true .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Go for one . {vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But it's pretty close . We've got almost everything we can .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I gonna put underneath so I've got some more space . So , false is seven , true is one , and {disfmarker} So uh say about a two for fancy ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , why not not ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "m m maybe nearer three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well d you do an average at the end , I don't know . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two three . Well , it's just that uh saying something {disfmarker} {vocalsound} remember that when you look down , we've got solar power , we've got uh various other things you could have , and we're not going for these options .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . This this is just this is just for like the look . Does it sort of look fancy rather than functional . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I suppose that might be in the technical innovation bit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so that {disfmarker} so sh should we go for a a two on that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . And I mean , how much does the product demonstrate technical innovation do you reckon ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , {gap} deciding between the kinetic power or um the speech recognition , and if we had either of those for our budget , they both show a reasonable amount of speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "D yeah . Okay . So , what about the pr The prototype as it is ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we've got we've got the speech recognition on it , haven't we .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But not the kinetic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But not the kinetic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like the power .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . 'Cause you can't afford that {disfmarker} w we took that out too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , we c ca yeah , we can't afford both .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Didn't you ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it doesn't {disfmarker} It's pretty {disfmarker} The prototype as it is isn't sort of um fulfilling the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No may is {disfmarker} maybe about neutral",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "plus it it it's got something , but it hasn't got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , wait a minute . In thirteen point seven we do have kinetic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would give it more than a four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The problem is we have to reduce down from there to get it down to twelve point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And one way of doing that would be to take out the kinetic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , it's very much dependant on what you do with your options . And if you're definitely going for the sample sensor and sample speaker , then {disfmarker} because that {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the other functions we've got in are are more at the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} The special material , the rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera , if you go for that , th that's at the high end 'cause that's point six , whereas down at uh just special colours uh is point two . Now you're trying to lose one point two , so it seems to me that if you're going for the sample sensors {disfmarker} speaker , you're basically then having to go for the cheaper options on everything else .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And and the simple way to do it would be to have a battery , to have your uh sample sensor speaker ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then you're looking to uh take out uh point two ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S I'm just gonna check my email . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which would be {disfmarker} come from the button supplements category .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just gonna check exactly what it said in the email for um the product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How much of a difference would it make if we made the case in plastic ? Because we did say that we don't wanna follow the fashion too much . If the buttons are rubber that might be spongy enough .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , interface type um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then it stand the test of time better .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "well plastic rather than rubber . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . But I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That that that would make the significant difference . You could either {vocalsound} you could have it {disfmarker} If you have a in plastic rather than rubber , then that would uh enable you to get {disfmarker} you could keep kinetic then , you could keep your sample sensor , and you'd be looking to take out point two . So you could uh fiddle that down your special form at the bottom , or your special colour at the bottom .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that would enable you to to do it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it says if we make a slightly more fancy , then we lose points innovation , and if we make it more innovative innovative , then we lose points on it being fancy , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} , I just read the email again and it sort of says it's evaluate the design sort of as it is , I think , so I think we need to think about finance after we've sort of evaluated that design . I don't know whether we're doing it in the wrong order or something or .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , okay , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I suppose it's rubber as it is , isn't it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's rubber as it is , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean does this need to go up a bit or something , 'cause we've got both the both the um the speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We got {disfmarker} we've we've got thirteen point seven",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we've got it in at the moment and if {disfmarker} and basically , we're going to reduce down from that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But the current one , you'd say would be fancy , would be too {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , for for innovation , so we've got the speech the speech thing , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . I would've said about a two as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you reckon a two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , two or three . I'd be happy with a two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the next one is {disfmarker} I'll have to get it back up now . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The next on Well , I can just sing about . Easy to use . I would've said yes . I would go for a one on that at this point in time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say so as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , incorporates elements of fashion to attract buyer . Well , yeah it certainly has some .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's got the cherry and the sponginess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It does , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Say about a three maybe ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , m um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe two ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was just doing it quite well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think we're gonna have to lose some of these , but the moment , as it stands , it's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I woulda said two would seem reasonable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The product is a recognisable real {disfmarker} r uh {disfmarker} reaction product ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {gap} the sensor using all of its all of its products , all of its buttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it's got a fairly big label on the bottom saying where it comes from .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's a bit rough at the minute . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} So this is about sort of the corporate image of like new sort of sleek technology and all that sort of thing , as well as having the logo on and all that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} sort of {disfmarker} Is it sort of a recognisable product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does it fit in with our other other products , which uh are sort of coffee makers and spacecraft . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , well it's got the same um speech feature as the coffee machine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do y",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Also it's kind of {gap} spongy rubberiness is maybe bit more kinda comfortable than {disfmarker} kinda sleek and new age .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , it depends which way you look at it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we're going for a two ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a kind of three ? Uh d",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} three ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , two or three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two or three ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , the logo would be more um recognisable on the actual thing . It's just that the pen wouldn't really write on that paper .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But um , I think the logo would definitely be recognisable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it does have attributes that other products do . Two ? Aye . Go for it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two or three . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} How {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , come on . That's that decided .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're now on to changing it to get it to fit in with the budget requirements , and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What does {disfmarker} what do all them numbers mean then ? Do we add them up and rate {gap} or anything ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah we s yeah , I think we sort of add them up so sort of at an average is gonna be {disfmarker} I'm just gonna do this in my head .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "About a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One point eight isn't it or something . {vocalsound} I think , anyway . So yeah , pretty close to a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} So it's {disfmarker} I mean it's pretty good at the moment , but it's gonna get worse , isn't it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we've gotta try and make sure it doesn't get too bad .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two b two b two {gap} , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So should we get {disfmarker} So are {gap} definite {disfmarker} Was it {disfmarker} thirteen point seven was the definite price rule if {gap} has .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , you can lose one point two and still meet the requirements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna plug it into yours so we can get up the the finances {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well I put it back on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I guess this {disfmarker} Is this the last stage once we sort out the finances part of it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} we'll probably have to re-rate it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I would've thought so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah we'll make the adjustments",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then see how are rates are going .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so what was it , control uh F_ eight , wasn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it's come on already .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Oh . How kind . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay . So , you can see there that the {disfmarker} If you want to keep kinetic , right , you've got a choice there of going down to battery , which would save you one . You've got the sample sensor and and sample speaker , which is your big item .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh actually we just have a plastic case , then we lose two points ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which gets us um {disfmarker} In {disfmarker} right within the budget range .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which gets you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think that'd be fine . Because that was just a trend , and we do have rubber buttons anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that's eleven point seven ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then we could make sure we definitely had all the button supplements .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Different different colours , yeah . Yeah , I was I was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Possibly , yeah . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that would allow us to have all the technical innovations . So we'd lose a little bit on the {disfmarker} maybe kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we're going for plastic , yes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Lose a little bit on the fashion , yeah , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , and that would now be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's that's within the budget . Um {disfmarker} Do we actually have {disfmarker} Do we just have one special {disfmarker} uh {gap} special forms down here ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , uh w uh there was debate as to how you would count them . You got special colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well originally I was assuming we had the red apple , and therefore , that was the special colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And we we've we've got {disfmarker} we've got enough for another",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think we should just imagine white buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} we've got nought point eight left ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so we've got enough for another {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , we've got special form . Now that would be one button , and the question was was that all buttons or is that just one button . 'Cause our plan really was to have one button only with a special {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So so no matter how you look at that , that would be the same .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but but the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The other thing would then be special material , rubber , wood , titanium .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe the special colour , we've got three now just because {gap} the volume buttons are different ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess we'd have the ones which are blue at the moment would would just be the standard colour .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So , special colour , you want three in there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , which I think we should {disfmarker} Yeah , they'll still be fine for the for the price .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I thin I think you you you just need two for the special colour 'cause it's just two supplements , you know . One original colour and then sort of two supplements , I think maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That makes sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , uh that's probably it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we only ne we only need two for that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I mean these these are moulded . The one colour's gonna be moulded out of a piece of plas uh of rubber , isn't it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah , I would agree with that , I think . And we've got special form {vocalsound} is the one apple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The rest are all standard , although you could argue that should maybe be {disfmarker} You were making these buttons down the bottom , I was presuming , bigger than the other ones , or were you ? Was that the idea ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ne uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the volume ones should stand out a bit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe that'll be a second supplement . Then there's a spe a second special form .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . I would have thought that's probably about r {vocalsound} well . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Well you got you got twelve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so tha",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I think that should still be okay . Yeah , that's twelve point three ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we're still within budget on that . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that makes sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} decide we've lost a little bit on the fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kinda side of it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but generally speaking , we've kept the other attributes to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I woulda said so . Yeah . So you'd maybe put fash fan uh fashion at three rather than two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's without {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So shall we do a {disfmarker} Well , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And specially it definitely could fits the the real product {disfmarker} What was the {disfmarker} what's the company name ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Real Reaction produ",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Real Reactions ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "R yeah . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not quite sure , what does that mean ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean it still seems definitely fit that p so that's like if that's the new age kind of um inno innovative c type company , then um having the kinetic feature and the voice recognition is p quite high up on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep {vocalsound} I would s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's w if we've if we've put in for another special form on a button , then maybe they could be {vocalsound} a different shape . Like we got a cherry one . Maybe other ones could be something else shaped . {vocalsound} I don't know . That would be poss seeing as seeing as it's cheaper to make them a different {disfmarker} {vocalsound} seeing as we've got , you know , we've made it a a special form , so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You mean of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} And that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one . And it would sort of , you know , keep it quite fancy as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well you could argue you might do it once a year , you would change ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because at the moment you're making a red apple . So next year you could make {disfmarker} next year's model the same , but have it as a a yeah whate whatever , a lemon .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so it's a {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well you could {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whatever fruit was in fashion next year . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , l a lemon lemon or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , I mean the volume buttons could be lemons or something , maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And that",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "amount {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , we've {disfmarker} what have we what have we rid of . We got rid of the plastic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we've {disfmarker} the main thing we've changed really is the casing isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That {disfmarker} yeah , that was uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The rubber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that was just about all .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we've saved quite a bit because we've just got the push-button interface , which is by far the cheapest .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} So maybe in a sense not having that , maybe we've lost some {disfmarker} maybe lost something on the innovation side ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . And {gap} that is like the most standard type of button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I mean , we've got {disfmarker} we got rid of the rubber case , but we've now s we now sort of got an extra form , and an extra colour for the buttons . So maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability , we're pretty much the same , maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , I mean we could maybe put two again on them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And everything else has stayed pretty much the same , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , ease has certainly stayed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , plus if anything that is special forms makes it slightly easier to to use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And what about the sort of innovation ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , well we've still got the kinetic energy . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the speech feature .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the speech feature .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And then , the corporate identity .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we've cut just about the same . We've maybe lost {disfmarker} Hasn't it {disfmarker} It's hard to tell how the rubber the rubber casing would really affect {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How it would play out , yeah . Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Whether whether that's considered to be sort of part of the corporate identity , I don't know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it's maybe not . I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I think more the the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the the actual aesthetics , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But either way , I think we've made it fairly close to what {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay , well I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't see how we could make it any more . Um , apart from maybe doing the whole thing in the kinda light shade of blue , like the casing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We cou Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But then what colour would you make the R_s ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} just the the company logo . So maybe there's like a set design which we get printed off .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , but you've got the company logo on there , which would effectively be a stick-on badge . So you're {disfmarker} in a sense , you're comparing the product without the company logo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then y but you've got the space for it to stick it on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hey , what what what's the company colour ? Did you get told what the company colour is or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm still not quite sure we've established that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Don't think so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But but i but in the sense that , as you saw with um the Windows logo badge , it doesn't really matter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We got the logo off the web browser .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There's virtually n The way that you frame , you know , the Windows badge on there , it really doesn't matter what colour it is ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} so long as our company's logo is framed w in the same way as that with a like a black outline .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fact , they've got black and white or black and silver . So basically , even if you had a silver {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the same colour of silver on your display , because you've got effectively a double edging on the uh on the logo , it means that it splits off what your logo is from the from the product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And that's actually quite a sneaky way of doing it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh-huh . 'Cause you've got sort of {disfmarker} we've got point two to play with if you really wanted to .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You could put in another {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Another colour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , in this one , you've actually got three colours of buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or would that be t",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , we decided that the blue ones were the um the standard colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you were talking about uh um {disfmarker} We're assuming that all the buttons on the second panel , the hidden away panel , would all be standard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which m may or may not be the case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Shall we save the point two for profitability then ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah . Bu but but uh was the was there not a button that you were thinking of on the um on the other opt you know , on the second page , as it were , that uh you were thinking of maybe having as a different colour ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um , I don't think they would really need to be . I think if they were just all small round blue buttons , it'd be fine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe we've m {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Needs to be an enter button , but could just be the same as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe for the the one they're gonna see all the time , we make it look good , and um , fit the kind of idea of what they want .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then for the more functional buttons , we don't worry too much about that and just have that as like a {disfmarker} plus it's hidden away anyway , you're not gonna see it at the start .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I mean it's the sort of thing that , I mean , you wanna pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change the channel or volume .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , if it's dead obvious , then that's fine . But if you're opening the panel and you're looking and you're tuning , then you're paying a bit more attention . So it may be sort of different colour buttons isn't so important .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we just add that to profitability in effect . {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I mean so we've dropped the cost , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , so we're meant to finish up in five minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Same sort of function ? The criteria ? It's alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just made a load of money . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Shouldn't we maybe lose a point on fashion , go to a three ? 'Cause we've lost the overall spongy feel . 'Cause it doesn't seem right that it just hasn't changed at all . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , but I think we said that w Because you got rid of the rubber , we put an extra an extra sort of fruit um shape on one of the buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} le lemon sh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Did we decide what that was , which button it was ? On the volume ones ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} well , we could have lemon shaped ones with the volume ones or something . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh , {gap} . That's good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or something like that . Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Definitely lemon shaped .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did {disfmarker} did you have to have a rubber case , though , for rubber buttons ? Or was it the other way around ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You had to have rubber buttons if you had the rubber case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think we can {disfmarker} we're okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're okay this way around .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Until the design team comes in and says , get off .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so we've saved {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But you are the design team . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then we say it's fine , so it's all good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Saved two Euros on that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what bit are we on to ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , can I just check if that's a cherry or an apple ? Did we decide against the apple because of Apple Mac ? And did we make it a cherry officially ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I th I th {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Right , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just in case we need that point two for lawsuits and such like . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh drats , I've botched that , haven't I .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So were we aiming for a certain target on that scale ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , we're aiming for um one for all of them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "M but it really has to fit into the budget , so {disfmarker} I guess we just have to adjust things to get it i in the {disfmarker} Which is fair enough . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we seem to have {gap} least something in each criteria . We haven't completely left anything out , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , I think",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} As an overall product which has to be quite cheap , we've just about achieved everything .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "most {disfmarker} Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So do we have anything else to discuss ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know . What's on the agenda ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , okay um {disfmarker} What's happened here ? Right , okay um {disfmarker} Mm {vocalsound} . Right , okay um , {gap} {disfmarker} Right . So we got {disfmarker} So we've done the the finance bit and the Excel project and the {disfmarker} We've done the redesign .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We've got the closing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we're now on to project process . Now satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , et cetera , whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera . So , we're actually now uh , in a sense , on to the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is m my understanding of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what did you {disfmarker} and remembering that nobody's just over the curtain . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Finish your meeting now . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We should just go through this quickly and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down , which I will do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , uh I think I have to finish that page . Right , okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Project evaluation . So , um {disfmarker} Creativity . Did you feel you got a chance to express yourselves {vocalsound} well enough ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I thought some of the divisions though between sort of the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Individual meetings . How do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we were finding out various things in {vocalsound} in be in-between the meetings ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In you on your own .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and they didn't {disfmarker} the one meeting didn't always follow on for the other one , you know , sort of {disfmarker} we had things thrown in at the second meeting where , you know , you'd looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness , but in the first one you'd also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I don't understand why it would be in separate meetings that you'd do that . You know , you'd sort of {disfmarker} you'd probably present it at one or something like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , {gap} {disfmarker} The only thing you find is in a manufacturing process , you would {disfmarker} normally , you go to a meeting , you decide , right , you do this , you do that , you do that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Then you go away . You find out information . You then come back . You then discuss it . You then go and change things around ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then go back . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I suppose and then {gap} be going out and finding more information each time",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Whereas , this time , you're really getting it from a database source ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then diff things will be relevant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it's not uh well uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anyway , so , what do you want to put down ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I've put , seemed okay . Creativity , seemed okay . Um um flow of information on on any given subject {disfmarker} given subject um sometimes disjointed . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it maybe could have been a slightly more creative project . I mean a remote control isn't the most um kind of fancy thing that you could imagine designing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the thing itself .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I can't think of a better example at the minute .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Have {disfmarker} could have used a different example {disfmarker} pel to increase {disfmarker} create {disfmarker} Creativity .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is this go {disfmarker} It kinda kis fits the purpose that it was something everyone knows about and then something we can at least look at and think how we can improve on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You have to do it within a set time frame is the other thing , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah . But {gap} think like it was a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control , in a way . I mean it depends what sort of business you're in , I guess . I mean this one seems {gap} . From the website it looks {gap} it's quite innovative , but we're coming up with some bucket shop product aren't we",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that's , you know , fifteen quid . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} one of those things . Like uh , companies can have like a range of products and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I th I uh d",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I don't know how it works but I guess that something got sent out and {gap} have like a brief to kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But the other thing is that uh they're {disfmarker} I'm guessing that they're trying to use this um software to to demonstrate how you could uh do a project . I mean , m my wife at the moment , for instance , is uh acting as a computer",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um {vocalsound} for um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} normally , you got a problem , so you go to your tutor and find out information to see how to get it fixed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what she's doing is she's {vocalsound} having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can uh ask whatever question . And then you {disfmarker} or the idea is that the {disfmarker} whichever uh person's at the other end can point them in the right direction , show them where to {disfmarker} either give them directly {disfmarker} give them help , or secondly , point them in the right direction , either at the library , or uh or or come back , or go and see Joe Bloggs , or whatever . So uh , and that was a project I suspect similar to this , because they they were actually trying to debug the uh computer software to enable um {disfmarker} to enable it to work . And of course , you had the machine crashing",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and various things going wrong . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , sh {gap} we look at the last slide ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "see if it's got anything else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I think there's one one more to go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we've got uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} I mean if you look at their products on their website here , Real Reaction , I mean it's all pretty high-tech and cutting edge .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "New ideas found ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "did we find any , no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was quite good with this um {disfmarker} the white board , having that and the digital pens .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like , that's something that made it a little easier .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Leadership , teamwork .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} we did find a new idea , I mean sort of a kinetic remote control . I've never seen one of them before . {gap} batteries , I think . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} voice recognition , especially not {gap} could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You've got voice recognition computers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's not remote controls .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well it's a different application of it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's just like the same products , but just put together in a different way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so how do you reckon teamwork went ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That went okay , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess we all had separate ideas and then discussed them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To uh go uh reasonably well . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't think sort of the budget um allowed us to do anything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bit {disfmarker} bit arbitrary . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I mean I don't think it {disfmarker} I just don't think it fitted in with the rest of their products . I mean , they've got all these sort of , you know , high definition D_V_D_ and portable seven inch d um lightweight computer screens ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh I'm thinking , do you know , one cheap remote control doesn't really fit in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So , we're m we're meant to comment on leadership and the means , E_ G_ whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Surely they they should produ",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And and new i new ideas found was the the other thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well leadership's a bit of a funny one , isn't it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But we can't really all fairly comment on leadership because you are the Project Manager .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You were the leader . {vocalsound} So our experience of leadership wasn't really as much as yours . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now , I'd much rather be in marketing {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I certainly didn't get this uh computer to work as well as I would have liked .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "However , um {disfmarker} Alright uh means , so whiteboard um {disfmarker} so really , it's uh equipment . Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It worked .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , very nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Comput computers could be a bit difficult at times but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I mean , I d I don't {disfmarker} I'm not sure I see the value in these . I mean , they record what you're writing , and then what do you do with it ? Where do you get the recording ? Do you plug {gap} the computer or something ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think there's a little there's a little um chi",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's not just for us , it's for the experiment as a whole , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There's a little there's a little chip , I think you must plug it into something",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Should we quickly look at the last slide ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it produces a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sh {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . I think you watch a video of it kind of .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Whether it just produces a big image of sort of everything you've written or something , and {disfmarker} Page after page .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . New ideas found , so one or two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Kinetic powered remote control . Um , what was the other one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Voice um recognition thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Vo yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} um and uh voice",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh , was it voice activated um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Voice recognition , yeah . S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "recognition .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Almost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Pretty much . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} To fill in these fill in these questionnaires",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right , so , uh are the costs within budget ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yes . Is the project evaluated , yes . Uh , don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary . Then celebration . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Is that everything ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ? I think that we've got two questionnaires and a report on the last meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , so we don't re So really {disfmarker} I tried to save this the last time at twelve point three , and it didn't seem to have saved anywhere . Mind you , the the figure last was was different , but it should be poss",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
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"answer": "This was the first meeting on the team's project. It started with every member introducing themselves, getting to know each other's names as well as their individual roles in the project. Project Manager then revealed the overall plan for their project, announcing that they were going to design a new television remote that would be both trendy and user-friendly. After that, each person drew their favourite animals on the whiteboard and shared their reasons for the choice, with Project Manager choosing an elk, Industrial Designer a cat, User Interface a dog, and Marketing a butterfly. Project Manager then added some financial details to their plan, setting their selling price and cost. In the following brainstorming time, they raised ideas on night-time operation, a tracking device, and the design for buttons and shape. Finally, Project Manager arranged tasks for each team member to take on until their next meeting.",
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"answer": "The team took turns to draw their favourite animals on the whiteboard while discussing what characteristics of that animal they liked. Project Manager's favourite animal at the time was an elk, since she considered it a large beautiful majestic creature that can overcome harsh terrain and defend itself. Industrial Designer followed with a cat, favoured for its independence and always knowing what they were doing. User Interface drew a dog, for dogs were trainable and friendly. Finally, Marketing chose a butterfly, seeing it as the symbol of spring arriving.",
"query": "Summarize the team building process with favourite animals.",
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"answer": "First, Project Manager announced that her favourite animal at the time was an elk. User Interface immediately joked that it looked vicious, what with the big antlers. Industrial Designer then asked whether everyone had elk where they came from. The team then complimented Project Manager's drawing for the elk. Project Manager consequently gave her reasons for choosing the elk as her favourite, saying it was a large beautiful majestic creature that could overcome harsh terrain and defend itself. She considered that even though elks would appear awkward, they were actually very gorgeous animals.",
"query": "Describe the whole discussion concerning Project Manager's favourite animal in the team building process.",
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"answer": "Marketing drew a butterfly because she had seen one the day before, which she considered as the symbol of spring arriving. It was the prettiest butterfly she had ever seen out in the wild, and this was quite unusual where they lived. Mistaking it as a dead leaf at first, she saw the butterfly land next to her, showing as colourful and exotica body as that of a peacock. Marketing appreciated her encounter with the butterfly very much.",
"query": "Summarize Marketing's story and description of the butterfly she drew during the discussion of favourite animals.",
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"answer": "Marketing first talked about the fact that it was often hard to see the buttons in the dark. Industrial Designer followed by pointing out that remotes tend to go missing a lot, and thus a tracking device would be really helpful. User Interface then proposed that there are too many unnecessary buttons on a current remote, and a hidden panel for less used buttons would be useful. Project Manager further suggested that their remote could be some other shape instead of the standard rectangular, while the team reminded her that their product must be both novel and universally acceptable.",
"query": "Summarize the team's brainstorming process for raising initial thoughts.",
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"answer": "One function could be to let the buttons be distinguishable even in the dark, so that one could use the remote whether there was light or not. Another function could be to track the remote when it goes lost, probably realized through some kind of alarm on the remote and a button installed somewhere else. One last proposed function was to design a hidden panel for the remote, containing all the less used buttons so that they wouldn't take up too much space on the main panel and confuse the user.",
"query": "What new functions could their remote have based on the team's brainstorming process?",
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"answer": "The idea of giving the remote a novel shape instead of the standard rectangular was first raised by Project Manager. Marketing proposed a possible shell shape for the remote. Industrial checked whether they were going into novelty factors because the remote still had to be universally acceptable if they wanted it to sell. Yet it couldn't be too boring, so it would be key for the team to figure out a way for the remote to be trendy and original, but at the same time not too outrageous.",
"query": "When brainstorming, what was the team's opinion on giving the remote a novel shape?",
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"content": "Alright , that did nothing . Okay . Welcome to the meeting everyone . Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show . Sorry guys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You may have to do the function F_ eight thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I did . Twice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This'll just take a moment . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay okay {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or it won't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Um . This is the first meeting uh for developing our , our new product . {gap} I'm Heather , I'm your Project Manager .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hello . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So um . So that was the opening .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The first thing we'll do is get acquainted with one another . If everyone could go around and explain their role and um , and their name .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . My name's Poppy . I'm the Industrial Designer for this project . Um , I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase . Also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nice to meet you Poppy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I will also be responsible for the functional design phase , the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hi , I'm Genevieve . I'm the Marketing Expert . I'm an expert at marketing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I'll be telling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product . Um , I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design , and product evaluation for the design phase .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright I'm Heather and I've I said I'm your Project Manager , um Well you can pretty much read what it is that I'm doing . But um um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And uh tool training is one thing that we're going to be doing today , um um as well as planning the project , how we're going to , uh , create this product , and , um , discuss , um , our aims and objects of this , Which brings us to our next subject ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is , um , um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "as a team we're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control . Um , we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy , um , a completely new style , so that , um , can really appeal to a , to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of , uh , channel-changer . And , um , it needs to be user-friendly for , um , maybe , for an example , for people that , um , can't see the numbers as well , or , um , perhaps an ergonomic design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So this is a television remote control ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it's a television remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now . So , alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . Um , the way that we're going to go about this is , um , we'll have a time where we can , um come up with new ideas alone , and , and work on the project and then , um , after we've brainstormed and , and thought about , we can come together in a meeting and , and discuss what , what um , what kind of functional design we want to use . Same with conceptual design and detailed design . So , um , making sure that it , it's usable , that as a , um {disfmarker} and that it's , it's feasible to create , and uh , to come up with a concept of it want , what we want it to look like . Um , tool training . Is , is everyone , um {disfmarker} {gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Got those notes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Great . Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um One thing that , uh , we're going to do is become more acquainted with the , the tools that we have access to for our project . Um , one of them is our whiteboard . And , um , as a sort of team-building moment , um , I , I'd like us to , um , try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
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"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , why that , why that should be your favourite animal . So , um , I , I'm assuming that we should do that now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} With our microphones still attached to our bodies . Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Gosh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , what's my favourite animal ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do come up . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} to go first . {vocalsound} Oh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is a team-building time",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "are we all doing it individually ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "where , um , {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's stand up and support you {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay cool , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My favourite animal , which changes all the time , okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right now it is an elk .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "An elk ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "alright , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A vicious {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it goes like {disfmarker} Yeah it's got like big antlers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Looks kinda like , like it has holly growing out of its head .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you have elk where you come from ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have moose too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we have moose and we have deer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have sheep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay , um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sheep . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "cows .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a great elk .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-oh , we have a good artist . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That is really good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thanks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm quite {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This is my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , very shapely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Brilliant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's a sketching of my my elk , and it , it is my favourite animal right now , 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that um , that um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In a way it looks kind of awkward , because it's on spindly legs and it uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it can really overcome harsh terrain , and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous , because it has um strong antlers , and uh it can really combat its enemies , even like it it's a it's an herbivore but , uh , it can really defend itself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Very nice . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , I'm gonna take minutes while , um , you guys express your favourite animals .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I'll go next . I am a big animal lover . like all sorts of animals , but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat , in memory of my poor cat that died recently . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing , but never mind .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not as artistic as Heather's drawing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bit more cartoon style .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I like cats because they're so independent , and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing . Um , but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable , 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well , and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and , um , running around outside as well as being inside , and enjoying their food , and generally just , they just seemed so cool and {vocalsound} they just know what they're doing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh I reckon they're sort of , they got it sorted . They know what they want .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Basically , that's why I like cats . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Very good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I'll rub that out . There you go . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I think my favourite animal would be a dog , but I'm not really sure {vocalsound} how to draw one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I , I've never drawn a dog , I don't think . I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes {vocalsound} and they're really easy to draw .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I forget her name .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right it's gonna be a really funny dog , 'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Tara",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or Tara .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well there are loads of different types of dogs , so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's a cartoon dog I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A s I don't ev Oh , oh well . {vocalsound} It's a scary cartoon dog . That {disfmarker} This ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that does not look like a dog .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It looks kinda like a person . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We can pretend . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's Pinocchio .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} How do you draw a dog ? I suppose it has a lon Oh my god . Right . Yous know what it's supposed to be .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's a dog . {vocalsound} . Um , I like dogs because , um , they're so good to humans , like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs , and they're just such friendly animals . And , like they're more of a companion than cats .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I've nothing against cats . Cats don't really like me , so I can't like them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But they're just so friendly and warm and nice animals ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} that don't look like that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alrighty . I feel like a robot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Um , well I guess I had the most time to think about it . I'm going to draw a butterfly , because I saw a butterfly yesterday , that seemed to be like the symbol of Spring arriving . And it was actually the prettiest butterfly I've ever seen out in the wild , and I though that was pretty cool in Scotland . It was like , well it was a little pointier than that . At first I thought it was a dead leaf .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then it landed on the wall next to me . But this part was all brown and then it has these big blue dots like this . And then it kinda {disfmarker} there was a green , I think it was a green ring , and there was like red going out like this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's kinda like a peacock .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it kinda was actually , 'cause it was {disfmarker} This part of the body was really dull , and then it was the most colourful exotic butterfly ever , and I'm like , wow this is the middle of Scotland in like March .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I thought that was pretty cool . And it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about two minutes . I wish I'd had my camera . So that's gonna be my favourite animal because after all the snow it seemed to say that like Spring is finally here . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh , what do we {disfmarker} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes I do . {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yea {vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , now that we know how to use the whiteboard ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um , the next , um , thing we need to address is our financial department , to meet our our budget , um {disfmarker} or not meet our budget but more , um , like what kind of , uh , selling range we'll be looking at , um , wanna make this um {gap} selling price of twenty five Euros . And so we have to , um , come up with a way to , to create a , a uh remote control , where um we can {disfmarker} like the price to create it will be significantly less . Um , we'd like to , um to , uh , make fifty million Euro . I'm assuming that's what the M_ means . Um , and make it for an international market . Um , one thing we'd have to think about internationally is in the design of , um , like different kinds of , uh , V_C_R_s . Things like that , depending on which country you are . Another thing for the design team to think about . Um , we want it to cost , uh , absolute maximum of twelve Euro and fifty cents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so we'll have a hundred percent profit then ? Twelve fifty .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm bad at math .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . {vocalsound} Um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so now that , um , that is underway , um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it is discussion time . So this is time for us to bring our initial ideas , any um suggestions that you may have so far , a um your personal experiences with remote controls , and um , um , areas you see that , uh , could be improved in your experience with them . Does anyone have any initial thoughts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I find that in the dark it's often hard to know what button you're pushing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . So what's something we could , uh , do to remedy that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I always find that in our house the remote control always goes missing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's always , where is the remote control ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe if you could have some kind of tracking {vocalsound} device for the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , some kind of alarm . You can press a button on your wall , {gap} signal ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's a great idea . It's a great idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause it always gets lost .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do yous not find that , um , {vocalsound} like , there's a lot of , um , buttons on your remote control , and you don't know what half of them do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that you don't use half of them . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I don't know what they do . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . There's some remote controls where there's kind of a hidden panel , so all those buttons that you don't really use unless you're programming or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's , that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's useful .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it is . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you just have like the number buttons , power button , T_V_ video button .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Anything about , um , the look of the , uh , remote control that you might have ideas about . Maybe it could be , instead of like a standard rectangular shape , it could be , um , something more interesting like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Any ideas will do that you have at this point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could be shaped like a conch ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Can hold it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A novelty .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know . Be like a shell-shaped remote . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we going into kind of novelty factors here . Like , I've seen phones like a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well if it's a trendy original , um , aspect we're going for .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean , you're the designers , you c , you can um decide what kind of , um , direction you wanna go in ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but at this point in the , in the first meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I suppose , if we're he heading to have it , like make a huge profit out of this , it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing . Like , a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than , like , a general kind of more acceptable {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we don't wanna go towards boring , 'cause that wouldn't sell either .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the key issue here is , is being trendy and original . Um , that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay we have five minutes left . So , just to cover {disfmarker} We have one more thing . Um , like you can go over your ideas , of course , in your own personal times . Um , our next meeting will be in half an hour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you have half an hour to , uh , think about what you want to present . Or not present but bring to the meeting . Um , I_D_ , whatever that stands for .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Interface ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Industrial Designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's me . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , industrial .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I have to remember these things . Um . You'll be beginning your , your working design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , U_I_D_ the technical functions design will , will be worked on the next thirty minutes . Um , {vocalsound} maybe how this can be achieved , and , um , we need the user requirements from the manag Marketing Expert .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Marketing Expert . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , you will get specific instructions , um , of what to do in the next half an hour . And I'll see you in half an hour , okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "The meeting mainly discussed the design of functions and the appearances. On function wise, the group had a little argument whether to make the product multi-functional or single functional. In the end they went with single-functional because it was more focused and affordable. They also removed some of the functions being discussed such as LCD screen, teletext and voice recognition, because they wanted to stick with a simplistic design. On design wise, the group finalized on the colour yellow as their product appearance and they chose illuminated buttons as one of their highlights. They also included some humanitarian factors into the design.",
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"answer": "The industrial designer suggested that when taking environmental impact into consideration, the product could switch to a more environmental-friendly material. This type of material was made up of specific alloys of metals which have a shape memory, and it also allowed recycling. Hence, the product manager lifted out the point that the company could recycle the old remote controls from customers and take down the usable parts to make new remote controls. Even though the team liked the idea, the product manager also raised his concern towards the financial budget. In the end they agreed to discuss further about how they could achieve the idea by not exceeding the budget.",
"query": "How did the group discussed about the possible environmental-friendly material?",
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"answer": "The user interface designer suggested two options of making the remote control functional. One way was to make it multi-functional, so as to be used for several entertainment devices. Another way was to make it single-functional, which could be used specifically for the television. The entire group preferred the product to be single-functional. It is because making an original design was more obtainable, and it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic. They had to make it compatible with different brands of devices to sell internationally.",
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"answer": "The marketing specialist did some research and the marking specialist stressed on the topic of appearance. To combine with the company’s motto, the marketing specialist believed in providing the international market with fashionable remote controls. And the statistics also showed that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Hence customers would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control.",
"query": "What was the most prioritized functional requirement of their remote control?",
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]
},
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"answer": "It was discovered by the marketing specialist that people liked to switch channels, thus they had to make a more durable button. The marketing specialist counted the times of usage of every button on the remote control, and wanted to make a user-friendly banner to include all the buttons in. When including the buttons, they took in consideration the relevance and disadvantaged people as well.",
"query": "What did they discussed about buttons as a function?",
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"210"
]
]
},
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"answer": "The marketing specialist discovered that since a button would be too troublesome, a large percentage of the public would also like to pay for voice recognition on the remote controls. However, the project manager raised certain limitations of voice recognition function, and it also clashed with the intention of designing a simple product.",
"query": "What other functions that customers would be willing to pay more for?",
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]
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"answer": "The marketing specialist suggested a LCD screen could be installed. The industrial designer thought it would be good to link with the teletext function. Also, the marketing specialist raised points about the target age group. In their assumption, a teenager would not be willing to pay for an expensive remote control, whereas the elder age group would be more willing. The group reached a consensus on catering the product to the age group of early twenties.",
"query": "What other points did the product manager and the marketing specialist raise about functions of the product?",
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"answer": "The project manager mentioned that they would love to incorporate the company`s logo and colour into the product design, but it did not necessarily need to be the same colour. Since there was not a plan about which specific colour and logo to use, the industrial designer initiated the colour yellow and it was adopted.",
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"answer": "Firstly, the team decided that the target functions of the remote control would just be for the television. Secondly, they removed functions that were previously discussed, such as teletext, LCD screen and voice recognition. Particularly for the teletext function, they were removing it because they were reaching out to an international crowd and some countries did have such things as teletext. They kept the alarm idea because it was not expensive to actualize.",
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]
},
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"answer": "The group agreed on making it small, but the findability was a problem. The user interface designer suggested that since the remote control was only linked to one TV set, it could stick to somewhere. And in order to reduce the size, the user interface designer further suggested that the remote control could charge within the socket, so it could obtain electricity which was provided from the TV`s power source.",
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"answer": "The group liked the fluorescent idea. The user interface designer suggested that since fluorescent lights lost their brightness after a certain time, the group could make this function tactile. They decided to make this function into little arrows that could be felt. They further debated on whether to use a battery to provide power or to use a naturally fluorescent material.",
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"answer": "The group wanted the lighting up to be a faint glow, so that it would not cause a sudden explosion of light in a dim environment. At the same time, the glowing buttons would be made in the shape of numbers so that the vision-impaired people would be taken care of. Meanwhile, they wished the glow was in neon style so that they could implement the company's colour in it and make it trendy.",
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"answer": "The marketing specialist threw out the idea of making the remote control cover changeable and personalized. The marketing specialist further suggested that they could incorporate the TV theme elements such as Bart Simpson into the cover. However, it might raise a question about copyright issues so they decided to delay the discussion.",
"query": "What was the idea of personalization and how was it not so feasible?",
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"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . That's okay . That's okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Am I starting now ? Anytime ? Oh sorry . 'Kay , um . Alright , welcome back fro to the second meeting . And um I hope you had a productive last thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , and um , I'll be taking minutes on this one , and um {disfmarker} Being hooked up to the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself , because it'll be more about uh , what you guys are bringing to the meeting today . Um , so , the first presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And , um {disfmarker} So , sorry ? So , um , take it away Poppy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , do I need to {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's , it's plugged in . So , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "plugged in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight , w . Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "F_ okay . Function F_ eight . Sorry about this guys .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No problem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . {gap} is on . Right . {gap} Okay . I will take this time just to apologise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I , I only , uh , received my emails later on . 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which is not obviously not a very good part of a team-working thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But there we go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure it's fine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design , and what we actually need to do , and what the remote control needs to do . And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device , so they can control the television from wherever they are . They don't need to actually manually touch the television set . So , it gives them much more flexibility , and allows them to be where they want to be . Um , from {disfmarker} Uh , on a functional side of things , we found out that wh from our previous meeting , we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique . Um , one is the visibility in the dark , which was um Genevieve's idea . So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically . And we could use illuminated buttons , which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone , or um something fam familiar . A automatically , um lights up at first touch . Or we could use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day , and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark . Um , also we could use um an alarm . So if we lost the um remote control , perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself , which you could press , and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was , hopefully in the room . Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , so that would work . Um , oop . Go back there . Um , another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design . Um , from previous researches I've carried out on other projects , um we've learnt about smart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So they can be heated and um and cooled , and they change the shape of um the metal . So , for example , a screw that's holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart . So um , the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life , if it was heated , um everything would spring apart . So , all the um individual components could be easily separated , and then some could be reused , some could be recycled , and I think that would be very important for products now . Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like new designs . 'Cause all , we all know that our resources are being limited , and we have to be very environmentally conscious .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , um , one question . This , um , self-destructible uh metal , it allows for recycling materials ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that , um , someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it , and then once they contribute it , then that company can break down the part , the parts better ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} And then {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah they would , um you would make the , the product as you normally would , apart from the , the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy . And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separated at the end . I mean , the user would return the p product to the company , 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made . Um , and then the company could then just use , make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then either reuse some bits , and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time , or not usable , they might be like be able to put into scrap metal . Something like the case , if it's scratched or something , you would want to reuse it , but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Would we be the company that would break down these , or uh metals ? Or would we contribute to another group ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You could {disfmarker} we could probably empl em employ a , a side company or something to do that for us . But it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made . For a certain percentage at least .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not every , not a hundred percent of everything we produce ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . This sounds like a really great idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One thing we have to consider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , so we'll have to investigate how much that will cost us , cost the company ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive . You would have to hire a number of people , and it might be more expensive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I {disfmarker} the fact of the shape-memory alloys is that they , they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed . Like , you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws . Because of this , their properties are smart material .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All you need is just the heat , so they self-destruct themselves .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . We'll still have to investigate the financial implications .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I suppose it does need like high contact , yeah , you know high uh quality machinery , and very specific machinery , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . I like the environmental approach . Um , we'll have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Um also there is um components . This'll be how it uh will actually work . But I haven't put this plan together yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry , could you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There we go",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Those were um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ". Sorry , should I go back . This would actually show the circuit diagram . Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I just {gap} put all those components in .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So those are what , um , we'll c construct the remote . Those are all the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I it just shows what sort of energy source . It could be a battery , like rechargeable probably . Um , an' yeah , well how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? So , now is it F_ eight again to escape ? Or escape ? There we go . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Thank you very much . And , um , the next presenter will be Tara .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There you go Tara .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Can you see ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you think {disfmarker} Is it uh , function eight yeah ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Function F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Function F_ eight . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The one at the top .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That looks right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I'm the User {vocalsound} um User Interface Designer . Uh , the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have . Um , in this case it's the function of the remote control , which is to send messages to the television , television set . By taking inspiration from other similar designs , we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control , which is sellable international . There're two functional design options . A multifunctional remote control , which can be used for several entertainment devices . And a single function remote control , used specifically for the television . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry , what was that last one . Multifunctional and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Um , a single function just for the television itself .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ch Oh , I see .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , multifunctional controls can be difficult to use , as the multitude of buttons can be confusing . A single function remote control is simpler to use , but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think that a single function remote control would be preferable , because it's easier to use . It'd be more compatible with a range of television sets , making it more internationally sellable . Um , it will make an original design more obtainable , as we have less functional necessities to include in the design . And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic . And less functions would have to be included . So it would be cheaper to make . And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices . Does anyone have any questions ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So as far as we know , um , a single function television remote control is us usable internationally ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's just that , when we're creating it , we're , we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "D_V_D_s and V_C_R_ ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "other entertainment devices .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Does everyone agree with this ? Does anyone object and , and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , {vocalsound} I was just wondering about the , what , what Genevieve said before , about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing . And that would probably , um , I d , well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design . I suppose having that would complicate it a lot more .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And limit the design {gap} . Do you think ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think I agree with the single design thing for now , because we're trying to do so much , that if we're trying to make a unique , user-friendly , dadada , and it's also multi also multifunctional , um , we're gonna go over budget for one thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . That's true . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And with this we'll have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We'll have more money to go into the design side of it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Sounds great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , well , um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "are you ready for your presentation Genevieve ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes I am .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fabulous . Except you're not hooked up to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm not hooked up , but other than that , completely ready . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . Oh . I just lost my microphone .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} No problem ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just a moment .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So I'll be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control . Um , and I'll give you a little briefing on what that means exactly . Um , if you all remember from the email we got before our very first uh kick-off meeting , with the coffee machine ? The functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly . Um , so what I'll be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control . Um , so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled . Um , I've done some marketing research , a lot of interviews with remote control users , um , and some internet research . And I'll show you my findings . Oh , and firstly I wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose . So we believe in providing international market with fashionable products . Um , hence our motto , we put the fashion in electronics . So I think that should be our priority here . Um , and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design . Not just in electronic fashion . So that it's something that fits in the household .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry , what was that last thing that you just said ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Any trends that are going on in , in the public , even media ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know who's famous , what T_V_ shows are being watched ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um , to influence our remote control . Okay , so the findings . Um , seventy five percent of users of remote controls find them ugly . Which is a , quite a significant number .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , the other twenty five percent didn't specify if they love them or found them , you know , neutral . Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry , that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . You mean that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they're willing , they're willing to spend money on a remote control with personality .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As opposed to your basic , you know , oval black , all same size button remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , so it is something that people care about . It's not , it's not ignored in the household . Um , seventy five percent of remote control users said that they zap a lot . Zapping meaning they go through channels a lot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They're you know thumb-masters . Um , and fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons . That A very small amount . Thought that was interesting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so it might be very appealing if , um , we have very concise buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {gap} the single function .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And another thing with um lots of surfing , we'd probably have to work on something that could be um a lot more durable ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because I find with um channel-changers that , um , a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they're printed on the button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's a good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And actually to go with that , I'm gonna give you some statistics on the uh relevancy of the buttons , how much they're used . And uh how important the uh users find them . So the power button , obviously , in an hour is only used once . Hopefully the person's not turning on and off the T_V_ . Um , but the relevance of that button is nine out of ten . So people wanna be able to turn on the T_V_ with the remote control . Um , as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set . Channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times on average per hour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's a huge amount . This is the most important button . Um , so obviously when commercials come on they're changing it , so as you said we want a durable button that's not gonna run down . Relevance of that button , our users found was uh ten , ten out of ten . Uh , ditto for volume selection , so ten out of ten . And it's used on average four times an hour . Not as much as channel selection , but still significant . Um , audio settings is used on average zero point eight times an hour . Relevance is two . Screen settings , which means brightness , colour etcetera , zero point five times an hour . Um , and relevance of one point five . We're getting to specific statistics here . Teletext , um , now I'm not too clear on what that is . I don't know if you can help me . Flipping pages .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like the news . Or like information .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It has {disfmarker} T_V_ has like information , it has information on holidays , the news , entertainment .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and what's on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So like a running banner , underneath {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it's a button that you press , and then you , uh , like a menu pops up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , li Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I haven't used it before",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And you have page numbers like for the menu , and you press the page numbers with your remote , and it , it'll come up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's like very basic internet . Sort of ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very basic internet , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Like tells you the weather , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But you have no interaction back with it , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like the internet you can send emails and {disfmarker} You've no interaction .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's just information that um , like television timetables , what's on , what's on now , what's on next , on every channel , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Well I guess I'm not with it , because I wasn't {disfmarker} But it's , it's being used fourteen times an hour . Um , and has a r a high relevance of six point five . So it looks like something that we're gonna want to do some research on and include on our remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , channel settings . Zero point zero one times an hour . Relevance of three . Channel settings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , probably just tuning in the channels , would it be ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "P Sorry . Changing the channels ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tuning them in at the very start . You know if you get a new T_V_ set , you tune in all the channels ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To get the right reception and picture , I suppose .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "do you th do you think ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , so it's not used very often , but people still find it relevant . Okay . Um , biggest frustrations of uh the people that we interviewed . Remote controls are often lost somewhere . So that was already discussed by Poppy . How we could have a , an alarm system so that people can find it . Um , takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it should be very user-friendly , you know . People know what to do very quickly . Um , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Repeti Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that what it is ? People with arthritis and such ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's rather sad . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , maybe our",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I'm guessing that's what it is . I'm not {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . I think it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "designers can look into that . Um , buttons that don't require , you know , very firm pushing , if they respond .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But we'll have to also avoid , you know , buttons responding to the slightest touch as well . That's a problem .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Did you guys uh get that one down ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} okay , here's some ideas for you . A large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls . So I'll show you some numbers here . Um , so the youngest age group , fifteen to twenty five . Ninety one point two percent said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control . Um , and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s Interestingly enough , twenty five to thirty five is the lowest amount . Um , that would , are willing to pay extra . So I guess we're gonna have to figure out what age group we're , we're targeting , and if and if voice recognition is something we wanna look into . And if we have the budget for it . Um , if we are targeting young adults , it looks like something that would pay off . Seeing as ninety percent , over ninety percent would pay for it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I agree with um {disfmarker} if we're targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into . Um , financially and and functionally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , and especially if we are um trying to be trendy , go with fashions , things like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , ages like from thirty five to sixty five which show lower numbers probably won't be as concerned .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that , that's a whole other field of research . I don't know if it'd be , if we'd still have a remote , or if you're talking to your television and saying change channel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and depending on how many members you have in households .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it m it may be too complicated for us , but it's something to keep in mind anyway .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And something that might further complicate it is that the T_V_ makes noise itself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wonder if it would have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if there was conversation in the room at the same time ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "although in theory it doesn't tend to be when you're watching television ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {vocalsound} {gap} could be very difficult to get the specific uh design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah . If we're looking for a simplistic design , if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We need to decide if that is our um intention is , is a simplistic design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , because if , if it is then I think voice , um voice-activated {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It looks like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because if people can activate the television with their voice then they won't be using a , they won't be talking into a remote , I'm sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It'd be like the ultimate remote . {gap} Um {vocalsound} okay . And th the last thing here was a , an L_C_D_ screen . So , I mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us . Not practical . Um an L_C_D_ screen though might be something that , you know , you can shift through pages kind of li the way this PowerPoint is working .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that you don't have so many buttons to deal with .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't know what an L_C_D_ screen is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry , just , just a screen , like a computer screen . S Or like um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mobile phone .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or {disfmarker} Like an alarm clock . You'd have an L_C_D_ versus just a , a normal clock .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What , what would appear on the screen ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I have no idea still . {vocalsound} I'm sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh just like an electronic screen . As opposed to just buttons . There would be like a little , like on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , on the remote . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Like on the top of a cellphone , the the little L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , now that's , I , I dunno exactly what exactly we'd put on there . I guess the channel that you're on , the v the volume setting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Could it it {disfmarker} It would be good if it had the actual programme that was on , and what was next . But that would probably be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like linked in with the teletext ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That would be good , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or sort of like an teletext at your fingers , without having to access that through the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Might be quite expensive to do that though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , Yeah . Could be . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I guess that's something we can all take back to our respective research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , and finally , whoops , my personal preferences and thoughts . Um , I think our priority really should be unique design . Um , we want something that people want in their home . Every remote control looks the same , so uh in my opinion it should be , um , user-friendly and unique . So the other stuff might be a little too , a little too gadgety for some people .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , I th myself , voice recognition kind of scares me off .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So if we're , if we're aiming to make this an international university , universally accepted product {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , and for all , the other thing is like age market . I mean if we wanted to concentrate on fifteen to twenty five years olds , we could go for the fancy stuff . But if we wanna make fifty million , and and have everyone want this remote control , we should maybe stick to the basics .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we should keep in mind that fifteen to twenty five year olds might not have twenty five Euros to spend on a remote control . Like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control , when they're just starting out",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . And we have to keep in mind the , the reliability of our research . I mean , you know , a sixteen year old boy would say , yeah I'd pay extra for voice recognition , until they realise that's three months allowance .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I I think , I think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Early twenties , that's the kind of age group .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And if one of the largest , uh , or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twenties .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure that something like an L_C_D_ screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Complicated jus complicating things even fo Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . That's it for the market research .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Before we go into uh more discussion on {gap} we want this design to look like , I've received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions . Um , for one thing , because {disfmarker} Having controls with D_V_D_ , V_C_R_ , that sort of thing , would really complicate the design of the remote control . Um , we've decided not to include them and make it a specific , just a specific television um function . Which is good as , as we've sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway . Um , for many reasons . So um we have that decision sort of made for us . Another thing that might um affect other decisions is that um the management feels that teletext is outdated , because more people are using the internet now . And so uh we won't concern ourselves with um navigating the teletext option .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can I just interrupt ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Would you like to plug in your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe we can do the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Have you got a PowerPoint or not ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I do . I'm looking at {disfmarker} looking at it right now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , come back screen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Were they , was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext , or just avoiding both altogether ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , I mean we don't have the resources or or possibility of using the internet with the remote control ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but um they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and another thing . This is for the design , the design of the product is that um we wanna create , um more of a sense that people know that this is from our company . So , um , all the remote controls must have our um {disfmarker} We'll incorporate our logo and colour in in some way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , um , perhaps um our logo on the bottom , or wherever you feel like it would look good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , it doesn't have to be the colour of our um of our company",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but , another thing is that , um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we need to , we probably would have to have that colour and , and logo decided upon . Um , I'm assuming that we already have one , but for the purposes of this meeting I , I wasn't offered a , like a type of logo or colour , so if that could be um somewhere on the design so that we can be recognisable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Work on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's probably R_ R_R_ in yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The little R_ R_ yellow thing ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Real Reaction ? Okay . Um , yes , those are the changes . Um , so , now we need to discuss , um and come to a decision on our remote control functions , of , of how this is going to be . I'm just going to look at my notes for a second . Um , we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control . So , um , we already know that it'll just be for the television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It'll {disfmarker} It won't have teletext . But um , you know , we could discuss um those other options that you brought up , Genevieve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so I {disfmarker} Are we going to write off the L_C_D_ option ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that how most people feel about that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So no L_C_D_ , no teletext , and no voice recognition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it would be annoying though if {disfmarker} I don't use teletext that much , but if it was on your T_V_ , you'd want to be able to use it , if {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but another thing is that if we're reaching an international crowd , um , I know for one that in North America there is no such thing as teletext , so it'd be really superfluous .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You'd {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So is it just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Never heard of it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't know about other countries besides the U_K_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you know if anywhere else has it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "More research required , I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But if {disfmarker} Was it a management decision that we're having {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It was a management decision ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's , it's pretty much out of our hands at this point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So , I guess we're looking at something rather simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , well I guess , just from my findings it looks like we wanna minimise buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Minimal {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the {disfmarker} What was the word they used ? F findability is important .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I'm sure that could be inex inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The same signalling .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the same signal through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not that expensive to do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or vibrate just the same as a mobile phone . Like you just a , a buzz or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Okay . I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Would you be able to , um , put the little device anywhere ? {vocalsound} 'Cause uh isn't our remote control for all T_V_s , so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you'd ha",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you mean the the link between the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , with the button that you pressed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The button {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , if the button was actually on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Minor detail there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "C 'cause then it would only be a applicable to one T_V_ set , so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere , or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it would have t",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be um yeah not very obtrusive .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Obviously something small that's {disfmarker} Yeah , that's a good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Then it wouldn't , it probably wouldn't be able to use {disfmarker} It would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control I guess , but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would it need a battery then ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Pr probably .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Probably , I mean .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Unless it could be {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's your department you'll have to sort that out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , unless some way , it could have some universal connection to like the socket , the same socket that the T_V_'s supplied from . I mean the power for the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you'll have to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , mm , more research into that one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you'll have to investi Do some research on that ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "alright ? Great . Um , alright , and I'm sure that , um um , the glow-in-the-dark , fluorescent , whatever , system , um is a go ahead . Is everyone interested in that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "On the buttons ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I like the light up suggestion . I think that would be better .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you know the way fluorescent lights lose their brightness after certain time , so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it doesn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would go for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It could it could be a tactile thing as well . Um right , if w if we're minimising buttons , we might be able to make them actually larger . And there's something on it . S you know like up arrow down arrow for , for volume .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like a raised {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , and I don't know what we could do for , for channels . S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well just the numbers could be embossed , couldn't it ? Like raised .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The numbers themselves .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Could be raised .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then the like up button and down button for the channel , channel changing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just little arrows , that you could feel , maybe ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just thought that {gap} it , it might be sucking more battery power , if there , if it is a light up . I'm not sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And also y , uh Heather you mentioned before , um like how it should be accessible to everybody .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , so like big b um buttons , {gap} for people you are visually impaired . The glow-in-the-dark or light up won't make any difference anyway .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So like you say tactile might be better , because it'd be more available to everybody .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That , I think that's good , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Could we somehow {disfmarker} We could , may , possibly , sorry , incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some glow-in-the-dark material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause I d I don't think that glow-in-the-dark material , um , like the actual soft plastic , um , costs that much more than other colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , it's not these days .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , I wouldn't say so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean , it's quite easily accessible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess the other option , referring to the battery thing is , you know how cellphones will t light up for fifteen seconds or something , when you're s and then it goes ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's good {disfmarker} Yeah that a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so if , if you're like changing the volume during a movie . I know , I'm thinking of mostly when you're watching a movie you turn all the lights off right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you don't want to turn on the lights , {vocalsound} to turn it down , because there's suddenly an explosion , and it's gonna wake up the baby .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , so if you touch the button , it kind of reactivates it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It lights up for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That , yeah , that's a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On self timer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So self-timed lighting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright we have five minutes left",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um , for the meeting , but I think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close . Um , what was {disfmarker} I missed the last moment , reading that . What were you talking about with the lighting up buttons ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , just if it was kinda the same way that a cell You know how a cellphone will light up for about ten , fifteen seconds when you touch a button , after having not touched it for a while .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , if instead of a constant light up on the , on the remote control , if it lights up for ten seconds when it's touched again .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So it could be any button that would be pressed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and you , you touch it and it just kind of lights up a bit , and it gives a faint glow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , self-timed {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if you have all the lights off in your living room , you'll , you'll temporarily see it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because usually you're not fooling around for it for more than what ten seconds .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's probably feasible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , do you think that we should do the lighting up thing , and the glow-in-the-dark thing , and the shape of the numbers ? Do we have to kind of decide what we're gonna do with this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I think that's un unique as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . For visually impaired , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , I haven't seen that . And as you're saying like numbers can wear off if they're just sort of like painted on , you know printed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . And it could {gap} , if it's that softer rubber material it'll be , maybe , um , uh , better for people with um els no",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} durable .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "what's it called , R_S_I_ , what was it that we were talking about ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah instead of like hard buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um , did we want to go for the glow-in-the-dark look ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like should we do both ? Or we can have one or the other ? Because it might , for , for our design purposes , I mean , the lighting up thing might be better because glow-in-the-dark material has a funny kinda colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it might not go with different like face plates that we might come up with .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was gonna say , {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . It the {disfmarker} it might be perceived as tacky , glow-in-the-dark .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's kind of like Eighties neon-style .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and we could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , whereas we're trying to be trendy and fashionable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah there are now like loads , or a huge range of different colours that it could light up in as well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which could like link in with the company colours . Like it could be blue or green or yellow ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or like we've just limited t with the , just ordinary phosphorescent so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Alright . So we've decided on lighting up things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking though , if it was glow-in-the-dark , you could put the um Real Reaction symbol as glow-in-the-dark , and then it would be constantly advertised .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Every time the , that it lit up , you c that could light up as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or , or the , whate",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But with the same thing , I mean . If you touch the button and then it could be , it could be lit up as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker} Are you okay with that ? Okay . Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Alright . So I think that um that completes most of our um our more uh practical decisions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And now it's up to designing . And um making sure that this can be feasible . And do you have anything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you have anything to say ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry . Yeah well , I was just gonna throw out there the thought about um personalising the remote control . Um , it , you , 'cause you mentioned face plates . So I I dunno if there's something that diff , you know like five different face plates . I dunno if this will start making it more complicated , but it could increase the popularity of the , of the remote . Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Like you can have changeable um mobile covers or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Interchangeable thing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like an iPod or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That would be good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exactly , like an iPod .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or , or like mobile ph .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like a cellphone ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I dunno if we'd want to go with like T_V_ show themes or something . Like a Bart Simpson faceplate .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and then that would be uh more profitable like as a sideline to the remote as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y Could buy extra {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Accessories .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly . You could start out with three , and if , if we hit it big then we can add some on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Person {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that's great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's a good idea . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that we should incorporate that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Interchangeable .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that wouldn't be very expensive at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , als",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You'd just get one mould ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "throw some plastic in it , you know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Interchan And also possible {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we could gain out of that by advertising certain T_V_ shows , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , that might be com problematic with um copyright issues .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , if it takes off then we'll , we'll , we'll try that out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But if we , there is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If w",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We could {disfmarker} Um , the environmental factor , we didn't bring that up again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We'll have to do more research . Like as of yet , that has nothing to do with , um , the way it'll look . Um , does it need to be reached a de",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do we need to reach a decision on that right now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because we need to investigate the financial implications .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does it need to be uh decided on now ? Or should we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we could probably leave that 'til later on , then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Good . Alright then . Anyone else have anything more to say before we close ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , well . Let's have lunch and we'll discuss this later .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
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"topic": "Interface concept and user interfaces types"
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"answer": "This was the third meeting of conceptual design, including three presentations and a conclusive discussion to make some specific decisions. First, Industrial Designer introduced and led to a discussion about different options for the components of the circuit board, the energy sources, and the materials of casing and button. Next, User Interface gave the second presentation about interface concept and two types of user interfaces: the graphical user interface and the command interface, and strongly recommended the latter. The last presentation by Marketing reported the trend-watching for remote control and the relevant discussion centralized the trendy theme of vegetable and fruit. Given all of the information, the group eventually decided on some special designs, such as the kinetic energy, the regular chip, the plastic rubber coat, the interchangeable plate, the command line interface, and the basic buttons.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
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"answer": "First, Industrial Designer introduced three optional sources of energy and recommended kinetic energy as they were light, novelty, and environmental-friendly. Project Manager agreed, but Marketing suggested it should be corporated with a battery backup in case something went wrong. After that, the group discussed solar energy, considering it impractical for remote control although it can be stored. With complete confidence by Industrial Designer and Project Manager, the group finally reconciled with the idea of full kinetic energy and treated it as one selling point.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer indicated rubber was softer than metal, cheaper than titanium that would exceed the budget, and more flexible to color alternatives. Although rubber couldn't work as the interior to protect innards, rubber coating would reduce the impact if the remote control was dropped.",
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"answer": "User Interface regarded the command interface as useful for remote control. It was less complicated and more user-friendly. In comparison, the interface consisting of many buttons, colors, and functions wouldn't improve the use of the product and was challenging to understand. As for expense, the command interface was also cheaper. Therefore, more budget could be targeted to the design area.",
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"answer": "In the presentation, Marketing listed the three most important aspects of remote control. The priority was to have a fancy look-and-feel instead of the traditional one. Secondly, the remote control should be technologically innovative. Moreover, it should be easy to use. Marketing also mentioned that fruit and vegetables would be the popular theme this year. In this way, the group turned to discuss some ideas about combining this theme with their design, like applying an abstract design and putting photos on the product.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought that the vegetable and fruit theme could be applied with a more abstract design, like stripping it down to basic shapes or curves. Also, as a result of market research, design development should stick to this theme rather than moving to animals.",
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{
"content": "Is everyone ready to start ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Great . Well , welcome to the third meeting of conceptual design . I'll just get the PowerPoint presentation up and running . Okay . Um , on the agenda for this , um , for this particular meeting , we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting , after we came up with um some general ideas of our design . And , um , then we have to make some key decisions on , on our remote control concept , and how we're gonna make it , what uh materials we're gonna use , and that sort of thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The meeting will be forty minutes long .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And um we will once again have Poppy as our first presenter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and I will switch up PowerPoint .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should be just loading . {vocalsound} Okay . Oh , although I can't see it on my screen . That says go here . Okay . I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use , um what's available to us f to actually make the remote control . Um , first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made , and what is it happens inside the casing , which is more your field . Um , thes main internal feature is a circuit board , which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which is not necessarily a battery , as we're about to see . Um , there are several components of , um , the circuit board that we need to consider , where we'll be getting them from , what they'll be made of . Um , including the integrated circuit , which is also known as the chip . Which is where all the main information is uh contained . Um , diodes , transistors , resonators , resistors , and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well . Um , and all their positioning in the circuit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Are they all included , like mandatorily , or r are these different options ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , these , they're all different options , they're all separate , apart from the chip , which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple , a regular , advanced .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We can go into that later . Um , all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately , and work out the most , like , effective um circuit , including all the wires and everything like that . And the L_E_D_ of course , that's a light emitting diode . So , we could , so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things , with that as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source . We could use a basic battery , but that brings with it , like they need to be recharged and the bulk , the size of it as well . And they're not so great to dispose of , environmentally . {vocalsound} There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago . A bit out of date . Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} What is a hand-powered dynamo ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , where you manually charge up the power .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just every , every once in a while ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like you wind up something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just every once in a while or constantly ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ? Yeah . Every once in a while I think",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ". But it's {disfmarker} Yeah . It would be like going a step back in time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices , where you just shake the device and it gives it power . I mean , the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work . Um , or there's solar power , which we've been considering inside a building , which is where it's gonna be used , might not be quite so useful .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But , good to look into , renewable energy , always the way . Um , lots of considerations for the case , like what sort of shape it would be , curved or flat . That's got a lot to do with the ergonomics . Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand . We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up . Or too small . Or too slidy . I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause it had so many buttons on , and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because you can't really see which way round it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , we also can choose what materials {disfmarker} um , the {disfmarker} we could use metal , we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-R_S_I_ . It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that , so it's very like soft , not so stressful on your hands .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wood .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , again , stepping back in time again there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , titanium is not gonna be possible , even though it just it beyond our budget really . But , would've been maybe for future projects . Um right our choice for buttons as well . We've developed some {disfmarker} we've got some good advances in technology , with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons . I think that was brought up for , um , {disfmarker} they're basically quite a flexible design , modern , you don't have to use individual buttons . You can just slide up and down . I'm sure we're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um one thing with the scroll buttons though . It , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we would have to have an L_C_D_ um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "display , and the glow in the dark thing might be difficult .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that would lead to an advanced {disfmarker} yeah . If we have {disfmarker} yeah . We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L_C_D_ that means we'd need a really advanced chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , also we've got the integrated pushbutton , which is what we're most familiar with . It's the most straightforward . But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well . {gap} . Got decisions to make there . And this is what I was just saying before . Linked in the different {disfmarker} depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs . Um simple would go with the pushbutton . Um , regular you could link with the scroll button . And the advanced we'd have to go with a L_C_D_ s display .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} My personal preferences ? I think we could go for the kinetic energy source . I don't , I think that's quite um an advanced kind of technology . It's not been seen before , so it could be quite a , a novelty factor , attractive as well . And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy , you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels . You just give it a shake .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sounds brilliant to me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rubber casing I thing would probably the best , if we're going for the anti-R_S_I_ and like more choice with um aesthetics . Like it could be pretty much any colour we want . Um , and gives you , yeah , more flexibility there . And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "then we could possibly have the scroll and the push , but no L_C_D_ , 'cause we probably can't afford that one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um , one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these {vocalsound} chips and diodes and delicate technology as",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like as the exterior . This is the one thing that's protecting its innards .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that would , uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing . And the rubber would just be the , what's in contact with the human .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Another thing is it might be more difficult {disfmarker} if it's a rubber exterior {gap} talking about putting on interchangeable plates .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there . Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate . It would work that way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if the , um , if it was just kind of a , more of a rubber coating which was on to a case .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , it was kind of , the whole thing would be removable .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like plastic with rubber , kind of on top",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} I can't think of what .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , there's , there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Or like an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "b like a Nokia it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something , that's just {disfmarker} it's protective as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like the skin ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It , it stops it , I mean ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something , as well , 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So maybe the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think i maybe a mixture of both there , maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the buttons obviously are rubber .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That sounds good . I , um , is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As far as I know . It should be .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we'll just say yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , just why not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright . I like the kinetic energy source idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , I don't know when people will , um , be moving a remote around a lot .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thought that was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I think that it's worth it , kinetety , kinetic um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , tha",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "energy source . It could make an we could have any kind of style .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It wouldn't be as heavy or bulky , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Just for environmental reasons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it seems {disfmarker} we'd have to do more research on it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or I dunno if you could have a battery pack .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like as a backup for something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Backup . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so there's there is a one battery , because most remotes use two batteries I believe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , if it was running off of one battery as a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That would be good yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Some alternative just in case something went wrong .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could {disfmarker} you were saying about um solar power ma maybe not working indoors , but a lot of calculators , yeah , have solar power .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's true . I just thought of that {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe that could be incorporated as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "May maybe that could be the backup .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Instead of a battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like solar backup .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Although it needs some light , doesn't it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I suppose",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you can watch a T_V_ in the dark then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do , do those calculators {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "s but some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , if we're doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . If we're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But thing is , it's not {disfmarker} you don't need the solar all the time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how it works .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It can be stored . It can be like {disfmarker} you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a few hours a day . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think that might be a little impractical though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think sometimes it's just shoved under , under a cushion ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's true . It could easily {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like people don't wanna have to worry about that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think , oh no , I forgot to charge my remote today .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like if the kinetic thing , I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to , you know , you can shake it a few times , or whatever .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it works .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or just like pick it up when you're gonna use it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I suppose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "K okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'S that the end of your presentation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There we go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Oh . {vocalsound} It's not on my screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} it wasn't on mine either .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Why ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know why . I think , I just , I just used the mouse on there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You don't know why ? Oh okay . Is it that one ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , I'm just gonna go through the interface concept with yous now . Uh , first of all I'll explain what a user interface is . It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived , for example , heard or felt maybe , or {vocalsound} by the human user . And it's also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data . Um , there are two types of user interfaces . There's the graphical user interface , which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device , for example a mouse for input control . So that's sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm not really sure about the pictures that {disfmarker} maybe that's on an L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe it's the the buttons or pictures or something . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you think it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I suppose sometime {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "after you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard , so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard . You're pressing the numbers for , um , for what you want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you must , for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I s I suppose where um mm on some buttons you would have {disfmarker} like the power would be s some kind of symbol .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like an L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if you wanted to go onto teletext or ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I know we're not having that , but I mean a similar thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you , they have {disfmarker} there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it , which {disfmarker} I suppose it's that sort of thing like the , the symbol on the button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But if we're having a simplified display anyway , w that , we probably won't have to focus so much on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we'll be doing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It'll be more the on the numbers and the volume .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It'd be more a command interface , and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume , display , and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's just draf graphical for the pointing aspect ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The infrared is like , that's considered a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No I think it's to do with the actual symbols that are on the , that's on the buttons of the remote control , and per",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So when it says pointing device that doesn't include {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For inp",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it could be a wee scroller thing , and something could come up on the screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think they're talking about L_C_D_ type things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But um I think we're gonna go with the command interface anyway ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to make it more simplistic . But the , we could incorporate some of the graphical user um points ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "as in {disfmarker} just to make it m um nicer to look at maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like {vocalsound} I can't think of an example , but {disfmarker} Sort of like little pictures rather than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , like how the buttons {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a little sound . Instead of saying volume , like a little speaker or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , as a button though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , something y",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , it's a keyboard in the shape of it , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah m perha yeah . Yeah . Maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , the co uh {disfmarker} we've decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control . As it would be less complicated , and the controls would be more user-friendly . Um , the remote control would be cheaper to design , so that we'd have more money in the budget to , um , target the design area of the interface . You know , make it more trendy and original . We'll have more money if we keep it simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm sure i like kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget . A bit more too , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Seeing as it's quite a new technology . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We , we also have to keep in mind when we're designing our , um , more user-friendly remote control , that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons , that , um , that their functions , colours and forms aren't always helpful .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's true . That's in like the buttons with all the different like colours for different choices and things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It can be a bit , yeah , overwhelming . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And that all interfaces are different . So , um , that doesn't improve the use of the produ product , so we need to come up with something that's easy to understand . And maybe learn from the mistakes of other interfaces that can be too complicated for people to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does anyone have any questions ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same colour , just to keep it , give it a simplistic look .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think if we go with the um design plate thing , we'll have to . Just because of colour clashing ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if we wanted to ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so and , and we might , I mean , depending on what comes out of the design , we might have to stick to just black buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But what about the lighting up effect ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You mean different colours for the lighting or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , well , um , I thought we had um decided that we would {disfmarker} if you touched one of the buttons they'd all light up . And so if they were black , it wouldn't be possible for them to light up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Oh I see what you're saying .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If they were white they would glow , probably .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well y",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If they were made out of rubber .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh so you're picturing the light is coming from the back . I kinda pictured it as kind of coming from the sides and lighting it up frontwards .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But , but I guess , you mean from the back .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Where would the light come from ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd assume , like , an internal light , that comes through .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So there would have to , have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons , or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and well rubber is a more translucent product too ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we have that taken care of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It should be able to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "In the phone that I was thinking of as well , when you change the um covers of it , the , the little buttons that actually , you know , that contro control stuff , are behind the rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Li yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you can change the buttons when you're changing the faces . Do you know what I mean ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it's just the wee control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . They , they insert over .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah , thing that's behind it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} I mean , we don't have to decide on one colour . Each face could have its own colour of buttons maybe ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , if they're raised up buttons . So that you can feel them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We were talking about it being more um , a lot more tangible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "T",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , it might be more difficult to do . If they're , if they're sticking up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If it's flat then , like o like on a cellphone or a mobile phone , it's like all very flat , and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it would be possible . I don't think it would make that much difference . I mean , the uh the dimensions of it . 'Cause if it's just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone . You can like take off the hard cover and then there's the like say the buttons . And then you get to the circuit . I don't think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the , the top casing . I'm sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing , without causing too much difficulty .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure that'd be fine . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . If it's do-able we can do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sounds good to me .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that's everything , then ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay is that my turn then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That means you're up . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . {vocalsound} I have a shorter report for you today . Um , it took a while to get this , uh {disfmarker} Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You're not plugged in yet .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's a very good point .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so um , this report is about uh trend-watching . Um , basically so we can live up to our , our uh purpose of having a very fashionable remote control . Sorry . There we go . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , just so you know , my method was mainly web web-based research this time around . I also spoke with fashion experts in Milan , New York and Paris . And I looked at the design reports from previous years , here at Real Remote . Um , just so c we can work off of them , see how fashions have changed . Um , {vocalsound} so I'll list the three most important aspects that I've come across . Um , and they , they're each more important than the one that comes after it . Uh , the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look-and-feel . Um , this should be our priority , as we've been saying . The second most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative . So , I think we've done a lot of talking about that , just with lighting and the buttons and the {disfmarker} face-plates . Um , so it looks like we'll be able to keep on track with that . And the third most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use . {vocalsound} So , pretty basic there . And the recent fashion update , uh , according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan , is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes and furniture . {vocalsound} Um , also , in contra uh in contrast to last year , the feel of the material is expected to be spongy . Again , we've already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons . Um {disfmarker} So , my personal preferences here , um of course , as {disfmarker} we , we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting , and I'd like to stick to that . The fruits and vegetable themes , I don't know if that's going to work for us . It sounds something that you'd use on kitchenware .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if we wanna do it on remotes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It could be one of the options .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen . Um , the temporary light-up idea , sounds like we're gonna stick to that . And then , uh , tying in a trendy look with user-friendliness .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , it's the fruits and vegetables is the only area that I find rather jarring . Everything else we can really , we can really",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is strange .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "um , do , according to our plans already , given the market . But fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} It's , it's a little {gap} but it , it's everywhere .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we {disfmarker} I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them , you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I I think , I think if we stick to T_V_ based , you know , maybe T_V_ shows , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But they still need to um fit into people's decor though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or colour schemes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} I think we possibly could take a more abstract design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables . And then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes . I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry , but it could have the curves of a strawberry , or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or a strawberry seed or a leaf .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} The essence of strawberry . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract , if that's fits in more with what we're doing . Instead of fruits and vegetables ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just {disfmarker} if you look at it straightforward , it's a bit {disfmarker} yeah . It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy {disfmarker} well , obviously it does , if that's the current theme .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {vocalsound} may maybe we could go more directly , I don't know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But initially , I dunno . I think if we just sort of tone it down a bit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Tone it down . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah and like not , not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I guess , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like more like photos of fruit , on , on our product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or banana-shaped . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One thing I was thinking though is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting , we talked about our favourite animals .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe there could be animal-based , you know . Because a lot of people have a house cat . Or , or a dog .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , that might be getting , you know , too specific , and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are . But it's something to keep in mind .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And , did you have any questions ? Pretty straightforward ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , given that information , we need to start making some more specific decisions . So I'll need to um hook up the PowerPoint again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There you go . {vocalsound} Have you guys been saving your PowerPoint presentations to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I didn't for the first one . But I have now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it's still around right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Uh , hopefully",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where do you have to save it to ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": ". Project documents I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I'm just trying to make this pop up now . Alright . Here we go . Okay so we have to uh decide now exactly what we are going to do . So energy , we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "oh . Oh no I can't write it in when it's in this setting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does anyone know how to take it out of {disfmarker} Um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just escape I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The PowerPoint ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah . Okay . Um , so back to decisions . Energy , we've decided on kinetic , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Kinetic yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so that's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we going to have a backup ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or do we just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But would a backup really be necessary ? I mean will people just use the battery if there's no , if there's ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if there is backup .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and be bold and innovative ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and hope this works , and well hope that it works .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There's like no reason why it wouldn't work , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I think {disfmarker} no . I , I think we should just like take uh advantage of like using this to its full potential .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It could even be one of our selling points .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Go for it . It could be {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "fully kinetic energy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Environmentally conscious or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is everyone happy with that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if it's not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalises it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hope so . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , the next um decision is chip on print . I don't exactly know what that means .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , it was whether we went for the simple , the regular , or the advanced chip . And that linked in with what buttons we would gonna have , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right , and we were going for more simplistic style , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that was without the L_C_D_ . So that means we're not doing the advanced .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we decided on the pushbuttons , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so that's the simple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Would we need a more advanced one for uh the lighting , the interior lighting system ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah possibly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , it's probably gonna be the regular chip that we're going to need .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's a medium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's called medium , or regular ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So regular chip . Regular sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Regular chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , is regular not simple ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Lighting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah if we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's for the lighting , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because of the lighting that we've decided to put in as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right right right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and cases . Um , does this , is this dependent on shape , or what it's made of , or what ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So th I think this is just like gonna be the {disfmarker} a very outer case , which we will decide on rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , I guess plastic and coated in rubber .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Plastic with rubber",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plastic rubber coat .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "plastic coat .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "coating and interchangeable um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Interchangeable , yeah . Still going for that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , interchangeable plates .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . User interface concept . This is your time to shine .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We decided on the component . I , I I'm sorry , I've lost my um {vocalsound} PowerPoint thing , so I can't remember what it's ca it's the component {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Your screen ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Think it was called command interface .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Was it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Command interface , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The command inter",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Command interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ouch .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The command line interface yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Did you say command line ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Line interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , and supplements . What's that all about ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I think that is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
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"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well we haven't really made any decisions about what we're gonna do about the cluster of button functions , colours and forms , in the {disfmarker} in consistent use . Like what what are ideas to combat these problems ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know how um different interfaces are very different , and can be confusing because because of their difference , and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We haven't really decided what to do about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , what are our choices here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well it's just um w where where shall we locate the buttons . What kind of functions wi shall we have ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You mean like we'll have the numbers of the channels , and we'll have the channel-changer , and volume , and power ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The power . Volume .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So pretty {disfmarker} just just the basic button functions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Like I don't know if we should go into like adjusting light levels , things like that , because different televisions will have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "May yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Tone , contrast , and things . That's a bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That was on , um one of my presentations . About how often it was used .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was minima",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you remember that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "well , it wasn't the l",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it was hardly ever used really .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I w {vocalsound} Should I bring it up ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And most televisions will come with a remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That would be good . Yeah , and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , each television .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , well we know we want numbers .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The ch t Screen settings was used um zero point five times an hour . So tw twice every {disfmarker} once every two hours . Um , and it was considered a one point five relevance , on a scale of ten . That's brightness , colour , tone , all that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You don't change that often , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "doesn't it ? I'm sure it has its own buttons , so you don't necessarily need to have it on remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it does .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and different televisions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like we , I don't know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "changes like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're just going for power , channels , volume ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Volume .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The other one was audio settings . Mono , stereo , pitch . I mean I sometimes use that . Some T_V_s will have the option of like living room style , movie style , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and that , they say that's used zero point eight times an hour , which is actually somewhat high . Like almost once an hour .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , relevance of two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . We have five minutes to finish our meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Crap . Okay , um , let's do this fast . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well that didn't some up on mine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Should we have audio ? It only comes up on mine usually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It w {vocalsound} it would seem silly if we'd {gap} having anything else , just have an audio button though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you know ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't , I {disfmarker} it's , it's a problem with the international uh appeal , I think . Um , if we have audio because we don't know how other televisions work . But we know that everyone has this and it's the same .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I guess that it affects the marketing , 'cause it , {vocalsound} mm it is a good sales ploy to say , aren't you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This one has channel , volume and your channe and your power .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's it . We can just go for , make it a selling point that it is just the basic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That could be a sales pitch .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Simple and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah uh I {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "brilliant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good . And , okay , in closing , 'cause we only have five minutes . We'll be meeting again in thirty minutes . Um , you'll be working , Poppy will be working on the look-and-feel design . Wait a minute . Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep , and um the user interface design , so this is where the trendy stuff comes in . And you'll be evaluating the product . Um , Poppy and Tara will have to work together , using modelling clay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And , um , your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . So , anyone else have something to say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , I just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we {disfmarker} seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research , I thi I think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something , because even if that may not seem obvious to us , if that's what the surveys brought out , I think that we should probably go along with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , so I suppose that'll come out in our dev design development . But you're happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now do you guys need {disfmarker} want an idea of how many uh {disfmarker} are you gonna come up with casing ideas ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Y Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like f five different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} five . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What I {disfmarker} What I was thinking {disfmarker} what do yous think of this ? Um , having the numbers kind of like , not a bunch of grapes , but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like grapes . Like that's kind of fruity or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you can have some fun with the buttons , it's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We can have a look at those ideas , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess what you i ideally you'd kind of think of age markets as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it's a something that will , you know , appeal to the fifteen to twenty five year olds . Something that your granny would want on her remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , and international tastes as well , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Tricky . {vocalsound} A lot of things to consider . Hm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not easy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Lots of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay we'll stick to the fruit and veggie theme then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright . And , um , we'll reconvene in thirty minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bye .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'll see you later . {vocalsound} Oh , what did I just do . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "Firstly, User Interface introduced the prototype of remote control based on the previous discussion of its function. The prototype was a pretty simple design in a mango shape with the company logo on it and innovative functions like the plus button. Secondly, Marketing designed an evaluation test under the guidance of both the conceptual as well as functional meetings and the team gave one to seven points to each feature of the product to see if the prototype would meet the original requirements and goals. Thirdly, the team calculated the cost of the prototype and found that the most expensive part was the use of kinetic. But the team decided to use regular chips and cheap materials, which made the budget under control. Lastly, the team gave positive feedback on the project and the process.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
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"answer": "The prototype was a pretty simple design in a mango shape with the company logo on it and an on-off button. The color of the prototype was vanilla and yellow like and the material was a combination of rubber and plastic with a company logo. Moreover, there was a circular design for the numbers so it could be palm-held, accessible from the user' thumb. Besides, a plus button was added on the device so the channels could be switched easily without any confusion.For instance, one plus two it could go to channel twelve. But this function was challenged by Industrial Designer who argued that it was not snappy since the five-second pause input time was enough for switching to the double-digit channel. After all, the team agreed that it was overall, a good design, well representing the company's identity.",
"query": "How did User Interface introduce the prototype of the remote control?",
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"answer": "Marketing recalled both the conceptual and functional meetings and made a list of what the original requirements and goals were based on kick-off meetings this morning. For the ten questions, Marketing asked the team to give one to seven points to each feature of the product and the lower the points the better the feature.",
"query": "How did Marketing design the product evaluation?",
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"answer": "The team agreed that the prototype had a fancy look-and-feels once they did not choose the traditional ugly black and grey color but incorporated the company's color. Although, there were only push buttons and no LED display, the incorporation of the kinetic energy, making the device more durable and rubber material made it technologically innovative. Moreover, the team thought the device was easy to use and good looking but Project Manager suggested that the company logo could be smaller. Besides, the device's simplistic made it stand out and customers were willing to pay a little more for that and its good appearance. Last but not least, the device could match the operating behavior of the average user and the alarming function, a light would vibrate, added value to the device.",
"query": "What did the team discuss during the product evaluation?",
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"answer": "Firstly, using kinetic was quite a large expense at three Euros. Secondly, in terms of the material used on the device, the team decided to use a combination of rubber and plastic to cut costs with one color for the case and one color for the buttons. Moreover, the push button interface was inexpensive so the team agreed to add a special form for the case. Lastly, ssthe team did not choose joystick, LED display or advanced chips, they were able to make the budget under control.",
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"answer": "The team thought that the project manager showed good leadership and that was a must during the teamwork process. Besides, they had a really great project design experience and everyone had put efforts into the process and gave opinions to design a good remote control. After all, they have learned a lot from each other as well as the overall customers' tastes within the industry.",
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"content": "Okay . Here we go . Alright , the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agenda for this meeting {vocalsound} is um {disfmarker} we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our two designers . And then we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave gave it . And um talk about our finances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made , given our options . And um evaluate the product , as a group .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And um {disfmarker} So first we'll have the prototype presentation . Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah . I just got a few slides , so show them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . Do you want to present it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , here we are .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And {vocalsound} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "On ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mango shape .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A mango . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared here",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The L_E_D_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and this'll be the power point , the on off button kind {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's in the middle of one of the little R_s .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then the other one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to be",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's palm-held .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "accessible from your thumb",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} yeah palm-held",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and all the buttons are accessible from your thumb .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Notice you have a number ten button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you don't have to {disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You just need the nought . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right no , that's a zero .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound} Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No problem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So one plus one would be eleven ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You can go one , three or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . You press a plus button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You press that first and then you go one three yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on your average um remote , if you press one twice you just go to {disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channel one , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , there's no e",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the plus and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . These numbers um these numbers all work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I know , but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go to channel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sixty .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You p Oh . No you press the plus first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I {disfmarker} well it doesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but she says plus {disfmarker} {vocalsound} press {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't mind , we can further define that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "what do you think is simpler ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I th Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it wouldn't be a problem . But I was just wondering",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I suppose it's not as snappy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like as long as we realise that's what it'll do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well the there is a {disfmarker} there's a delay on remotes I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oops . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Where you can have it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's like a five second input time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If you don't put it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So as long as you hit them dada",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} it should be fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Was there {disfmarker} so on the top there is volume and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And channel ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Channel up volume up . Okay cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "C_ and V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just so we can flick {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right , where um where's the power button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's the bigger R_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's the R_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's just like {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it's all accessible . Without m taking your hand off the remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We deci",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um we went for like a a circular design for the numbers",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh e ergonomics are all considered .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ergonomic , definitely ergonomic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , no I mean it's a different movement",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um and the feel of it , I mean , we've made this out of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The spon yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it just feels feels different .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bit of a stress ball feel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Would you like to feel it yourselves ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I would .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How it fits in the palm of your hand ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "My goodness .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} There you go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Genevieve ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ". Oh it's nice . Oh I think I killed the five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I did .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And something hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I killed the four . Oh god . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "O Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Of Play Doh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it smells good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Or the combination . Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelon red and green ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends in",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it'd be quite subtle and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It looks more {disfmarker} Think like vanilla and banana would .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like the company {disfmarker} the yellow and black .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that {disfmarker} for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Kinda Christmas , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , seasonal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated {vocalsound} customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean you don't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just use your thumb .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R_S_I_ and that's about it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , thank you very much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good work everyone .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Bravo {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . And so now that we've we have a prototype , uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , I have something I'm going to {disfmarker} Oh wait a minute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You want the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you need to do a presentation first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know what order it goes in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'm gonna check that out for a second .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm go {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What time is it anyw",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah sorry you're right . Evaluation criteria is next in line .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Evaluation cri Okay . That's me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hello . Oh there we go . Okay . Come on my computer . Come on . {vocalsound} Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just press um function eight again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should I press it again ? Last time I did that it sh Okay . You're right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then again I think . One more time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Still not there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay now I think for this one I could {disfmarker} Would you guys prefer use the whiteboard or mayb maybe I'll just do it on {disfmarker} right on the screen where you can see it . Um , we're gonna be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we've just seen . Um and looking looking back at my notes from our {disfmarker} both our conceptual and our functional meetings , um I made a list of what our original requirements and goals were , um , back to our kick-off meeting this morning . Um , and we'll evaluate as to whether we've s done what we set out to do . Um and we're gonna do it on a one to seven scale where one is true and seven is false . So basically the lower p the lower the points the better . {vocalsound} Okay so question number one . Does the remote {disfmarker} whoops . Sorry . Oh I'm not gonna be able {disfmarker} um , I'll do it on the whiteboard . I can't change it so I'm g I'm gonna ask you to push it down once .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll write down our scores up on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so number one . Do we have a fancy look-and-feel ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Feel I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We've been quite successful with the rubber coating",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The look is a little bit more playful .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I guess that depends on your definition of fancy , but it's definitely different .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh definitely different yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not your traditional {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the colour has a lot to do with it . I mean {vocalsound} th the colours we were given for making the prototype aren't the colours that I think we would've necessarily chosen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not the kind of {disfmarker} ooh uh at all sleek",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh you were only given red and black ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} red , black and yellow , and orange .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} not very sleek and we don't wanna go for black because most remote controls are black or grey .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we want it to be stand out that way , anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if you can imagine that in like a s just a {disfmarker} maybe uh a kind of pale metallic-y finish or something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . A metallic-y finish we were thinking .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I know know it's for rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean diff if you can visualise this in nice colours I think it would look quite fancy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Polished . Okay {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I kinda {disfmarker} I like the potato look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's mango . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh well , potato , mango , fruit and veg .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We we were {vocalsound} we were thinking about {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's very different . It's what ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's mango . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry the mango the mango look .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Potato's fine . Potato's fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah it is , fruit or vegetable depends on your mood .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Totally . It's really adaptable .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I myself would say a one or a two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I would say two . Personally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I w I'd say two I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For the",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Fanciness .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and p",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "fancy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One being true . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} uh two , three . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , actu that's pro that's gonna get confusing , like that . Okay so question number two was {vocalsound} is it techn technologically innovative ? So I know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and the use of the rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Use of the rubber , the use of the L_E_D_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For the anti-R_S_I_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The L_E_D_ use isn't particularly innovative",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and we don't have any scroll buttons , it's all pushbuttons ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there's no L_C_D_ control , so if we're thinking about the rest of the market , it's sort of probably halfway .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In some aspects it is , like we said .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I'd say maybe three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll go for three as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And I think {disfmarker} I mean it it's tough to say because we were {disfmarker} we didn't want it to be any more innovative than this , because then that would've defeated the purpose .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we want it simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Though it was our specification .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . Wouldn't be simple , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I mean I {disfmarker} we'll put three , but I think we actually reached our goal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We didn't want it any more than that . Okay question number three . Uh , will it be easy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think so . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah very .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think one for that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . S Yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . One .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you can't really get confused with that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , there'll be s we have to work out the uh number {disfmarker} the plus system .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The plus number thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's the only thing yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But once that's figured out , it should be fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and perhaps the turning on but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Number four . Is this a good-looking remote ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Remember that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's definitely {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Again I think the colour comes into this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah colour will definitely be a factor .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that the logo could be smaller .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And maybe not such a prominent way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe like at the bottom , kind of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Remember the management said that it it had to be prominent .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it just had to be on there I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whoops .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Should just not touch it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Don't worry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This time it's the three I killed . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if it should be like flatter . Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I suppose I've got quite big hands .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you know what I've just thought of there now . What {disfmarker} where's it gonna sit in your living room ? Is it not gonna fall off the arm of the sofa ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat , and then the rest is like",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "round .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But then it wouldn't sit as comfortably in your hand {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . That's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It would still be comfortable I think . We c we could handle it I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thing is like that , it's not going anywhere particularly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe , it could {disfmarker} it could be on the bottom , so you wouldn't loo like if it's flat here , so it sits up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh that would be nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah it'd fall over all the time though . It'd be annoying .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , it's less um , what's th ha .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I g If it's weighted maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay we're done designing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "H it's got higher centre of gravity like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Details , details . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Come on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , is this a good-looking remote ? {vocalsound} Would we wanna show it off to our friends ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Three . You would though , 'cause it's bit {disfmarker} it's more interesting than other remotes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think , it was another colour and it was like {disfmarker} I think it'd look okay . I think maybe a two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would definitely go for that rather than like your average plain old remote like that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean I gue yeah , it's personal taste , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but definitely in another colour , I'm not happy with those colours .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so should we say two for that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh , question number five . What's um {disfmarker} will people be willing to spend twenty five Euros on this product ? Remember that eighty percent of users were willing to spend more money when a remote control looked fancy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we have to market it in the right way , that um {disfmarker} to say that it is simplistic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So people don't just see it and think , uh , this is so simplistic , I don't want to spend twenty five Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have to market it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it {disfmarker} the marketing will have a lot to do with it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} the kinetic energy , shaker-style-y , whoo ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the kinetic energy part . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Durable . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "ooh no . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Shake it and the buttons fall off . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But you know , those'll be firmly on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Don't shake {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Oh no the plus . {vocalsound} You're",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , I guess , I don't know much about the remote control industry , how much your average sells for ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} use the zero .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Make a new one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you're our Marketing Expert . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} I know I am , aren't I ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think they're about ten po ten pound , aren't they ? About ten pounds . Fifteen ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you don't have to buy batteries . So in the long term this can actually save you money .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah , that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Exactly . Exactly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we'll market it that way too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So yeah I think with a good marketing scheme um and the personalisation options , it'll {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I would give it a two still though .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay number six . Can someone read it out ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Does this prototype match the operating behaviour of the average user .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah . So that was mainly that the statistics {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it does very well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we said {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah , because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel-changing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The zap {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's just {disfmarker} you won't have to think about it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to look down to find them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They're clearly there , easy to use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Simple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I guess the {disfmarker} I think the key word there is average , 'cause there were some people that used the uh video input and sound and stuff .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But they're not you and I really .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . Okay so one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Number seven . C Heather could you push it down ? Will this remote control be easy to find when lost ? Remember that fifty percent of users lose their remote regularly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have the alarm system .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now is there the {disfmarker} is the alarm system still {disfmarker} was it implemented ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the bu when you press the alarm system , the {vocalsound} lights {vocalsound} behind the {disfmarker} and it'll vibra {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "l lights on and , or flash as well . But I mean it's not obviously obvious from the outside that that's gonna happen 'cause you can't s particularly see an alarm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It'll be again in the marketing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I thought the light from the inside was gonna light up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The light {disfmarker} it will .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or or was it gonna make a noise ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But when the alarm's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . If you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But both {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You press the button it makes a noise right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It turns into a duck and starts quacking .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could s {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Awesome . Awesome .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , that would be brilliant .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Here I am .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd be tempted to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well the thing is , if it was {disfmarker} had an alarm system ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean , when it when it lights up as we I mean it could light up when the alarm went . But if it was hidden underneath the cushion or something , there wouldn't be any point .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you can't see the alarm , but it would light up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It would have to be in the market",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I though w it was gonna make a noise .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alarm ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you still couldn't see it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but you can't see an alarm inside uh {disfmarker} the alarm system itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It would just be a little speaker on the back or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We {disfmarker} oh you're just explaining why it's not on the prototype .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . It w yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But yeah , it'll be there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we can {disfmarker} we could say that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Whoo . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We can give it a one , because compared to every other remote ever m ever made , this one will be easier to find .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , totally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry Heather .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No problem , mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That wasn't very clear .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Question number eight . Will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new ? Remember that thirty four percent of users usually found it difficult .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Totally .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it has to be {disfmarker} yeah , it's eas they'll pick it up and they'll know what to do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the plu the plus {disfmarker} w once that's written down on the page that'll be really simple ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The plus thing needs to be worked on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "won't it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just because it's {disfmarker} we've decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons , I think that in itself makes it so much easier to use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do {disfmarker} Does it make more sense for the middle one to be an {disfmarker} just an enter button ? So then you would have to push two buttons every time at least .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's just like channel six , six , enter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That kind of annoys me though , when it's zero six when you have to press {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you don't have to press zeros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know why . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could just press six enter ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay . Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then like twelve , enter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} or sixty six enter , y",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or one two enter .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , aye .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think that's probably more straightforward . Yeah . Good {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , okay so we can {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say w yeah one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we'll say yes it's uh one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ooh . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Question number nine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , will it minimise the effects of R_S_I_ , which was repeated strain injury ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Injury .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , which affected over a quarter of users .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think so . It's like right in the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if you're zapping {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Your thumb might get a little bit uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's what I was thinking .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I don't think it will f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We may have to do some more research into other strain injuries that we don't know about .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the biology .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it is soft .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's soft ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And that's kind of what the um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the PowerPoint slide thing said would be good for R_S_I_ ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And people could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} maybe it is but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know what other options there are .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think we're getting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could {disfmarker} I mean , you could hold it in your left hand and d use your index finger .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But there's not really any other options unless it's like a keyboard .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , I think we did as as much as you can with a remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , one or two do you think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I'd say t",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , I think too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "two . Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two okay . Okay number ten . Did we somehow incorporate the company colour and logo ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes we did .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now is the colour gonna be there even if it's like vanilla ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} N We we can't really do that",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is the yellow {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because for example on the banana theme we can't have it as being yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It won't stand out .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So n it's not always gonna be the same colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It sounds like the colour's something that we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , yeah the colours are yellow and grey .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Gray , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it could be grey on the banana one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , could be grey .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I mean the yell yeah d yellow's ugly though ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's right ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "depending on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we didn't even rea",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I think we'll have to talk to our executive managers , and see if we can get away with just the R_R_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . I think this is the",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the factor that we've been least successful in confronting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Perhaps a metallic",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or or {disfmarker} like that's grey , and it wouldn't be that expensive to have a little bit of metal . No ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That isn't rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the buttons in the middle .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay So , do you think that's more of a three then ? Three , four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Four I think . Well I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what do {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hum .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we have good reasons for it , so we {disfmarker} but we can still put a a four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , and final question . {vocalsound} Um , did we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Current trends of fruits and veggies , desire for sponginess . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Following that briefing we did .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But maybe more like two 'cause there's no like pictures of fruit , it's just sort of naming it by a fruit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "With the with the colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like um the colour scheme names and stuff .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , uh , are the plates interchangeable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think I missed a few {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "they are ? So you can have banana and kiwi and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay . Okay , so that's something that's kind of in the making too , like maybe it'll become more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think w yeah , I think one . Well that was our brief and we followed the brief .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The thing is , I think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from , I don't know if you'd instantly say mango .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we haven't got a big banana but {disfmarker} Oh yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Be like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound} No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if it was scented .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh that would be class . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . There we go . That would be great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah we have money for that . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright so based on this evaluation , do we average them out sorta thing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes we do . So I {disfmarker} wh what was I gonna put for that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A two for fashion ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so our average there , five , six , eight , ten , eleven , twelve , thirteen , fifteen , nineteen , twenty one , divided by eleven",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One point nine or something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know these things . Um , between one and two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Between one and two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Between {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's pretty fantastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Close to two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's very good 'cause the highest we coulda got is one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I got {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Does that seem right then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , 'cause we've a four to bring down .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , aye .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It seems like it should be more around two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh , should've added five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we have an online calculator ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm attempting to do that {vocalsound} right now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This is {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it is one point nine . Ooh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh wow . Well done .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go Heather Pauls .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well that's excellent .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Alright , now with that over and done with , our next step is to see if we are under budget . And um my computer's frozen . And now it's not . Okay . So um in our shared folder , if everyone could go there right now , um I'm going to um steal a cable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . Are you gonna do that ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um it's it's um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that the project document ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's an Excel file . Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Production costs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay there we go . Um , production costs . And um I have to access that as well . One moment . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It says it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay so far I've added what I think {disfmarker} or what is going on ? Great . It's blinking at me . It's locked for editing . Read only . I'm gonna open up a second one then 'cause it's locked for editing . I have the original in my um my email account .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh is it locked 'cause I'm in it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it just means that we can't add any more to it now .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Have you have you completed it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . No , I was hoping that you guys could .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay here we go . So we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing . So um if you can look up at the screen , um the large screen ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "oh I guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think . Okay we're using kinetic which is quite a large expense at three Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we're using a regular chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , it's cur it's double curved , so its curved all around .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Double double-curved yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's another three . We're already at five . Um , we're using plastic and rubber ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Good thing plastic is free , we're at eight . Um {disfmarker} S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about a special colour ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we using that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I guess we should do it just for one kind . So it's like special colour {disfmarker} well we'll have two colours",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "right ? Well one colour for the case , one colour for the buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , we have push button interface , so that's inexpensive . And um we have a special colour for the button , and we also have a special form . And a special material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And a special material . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which puts us just barely under budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oof .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hurray .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Congratulations guys .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good work guys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'S good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um our operating cost is twelve twenty Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Awesome . And back to our PowerPoint . So we've {disfmarker} 'Kay . Yes we are . So we need to do a product evaluation , again ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which is probably um {disfmarker} I dunno . A different extension of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Of the actual project rather than the product ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A project ? Is is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause we're talking about leadership , teamwork .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So wh how we actually went round uh about doing it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Alright so um {disfmarker} Do you guys feel like there was room for creativity ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we were pushed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Pushed for creativity ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean we weren't really given a lot of time , or materials , yeah , to go about our design task .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The ma Or materials . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I think we could've done with a bit more time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ye Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it'd be like need more time and materials . But you were allowed m creativity ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think so as like {disfmarker} but you were supposed to have creativ",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and the conceptual and functional . Like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea I guess , but m",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we were just limited by resources really and like if we had decided to use the L_C_D_ screen , and like solar power backup and everything , then we wouldn't have been able to afford that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "When we can down to it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that did limit creativity .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Creativity .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just resources .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But yeah . The fruit and veg idea . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Leadership ? Is this me being like , guys do you like me ? Um . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good leadership , I think we stayed on task .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we did . We've , uh {disfmarker} seeing as we've come out with what we intended . A pro um a product within the budget . I think that's a sign of good leadership",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and also our personal coach helped us along the way ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you know {disfmarker} I think it's been fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the timing was good . We never were pushed for time , or sat around doing nothing , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Good timing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oop {gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Teamwork ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And project manager of course .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we worked great as a team . Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Was good teamwork . I think we are well-suited to our roles .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright how were our means ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We needed more Play Doh colours .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and more Play Doh ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause that was all the red we had .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype , we wouldn't have been able to .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it c it might've been bigger . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh really ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But ever everything else was satisfactory ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is that good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The computer programmes are good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It could be really straightforward for the computer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I don't think there was anything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think I was the only one who struggled with that . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm actually not sure if I've saved my presentations . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Uh me too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They'll probably still be there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "New ideas found . I don't really know what that means .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I think we've all learnt stuff from each other ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like the n um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Through discussion .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Just about each different {gap} . Got new ideas from each other . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure , new ideas found .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well I guess we really {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} we bounced off of each other , which was cool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like based on marketing stuff and then you'd say something about interface and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , worked well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we were a able to modify each other's ideas",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "to fit in with our areas of expertise . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Each other's {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh does it have smart materials by the way ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does it have smart materials ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well mm , did it come into the into {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If if it if it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno if we counted that in the costs . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If it can be afforded .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay ? Well with that achieved , our last slide is our closing slide .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes our costs are within budget . It's evaluated generally positively .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And um don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Then we celebrate",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Fantastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} By watching T_V_ ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "in such a way that I have no idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , brilliant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you very much . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , bye . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Conclusion ? Dadada .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
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Product
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"answer": "Project Manager introduced a new remote control project. The team started to know each other by introducing their roles in this project. Project Manager then invited everyone to raise ideas about the remote. Their discussion included its versatility, anti-loss design and possible appearance, but there was no final decision on these matters. The team agreed that the remote control should be one-handed, user-friendly and globally attractive. In addition, they noticed that these ideas should be realized under the price target and balance the stability and design sense of the remote control.",
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{
"answer": "User Interface thought that changing channels is the basic function of the remote control, but can also be turned into a universal remote control. Based on the reality that the remote control is often lost in our life, he thought that they should add anti loss design into it. Marketing further proposed that tracking devices can be used, and Industrial Designer agreed that some beeps or vibrations can be added. Project Manager thought they needed to design a trendy, interesting and sturdy remote control.",
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"answer": "User Interface proposed that they can design a fashionable and modern spherical remote controller, reduce buttons to make it simple, and connect several parts of the remote control with hinges. Marketing put forward the keyboard shape remote control, using the handle to make it more user-friendly. Project Manager further proposed the idea of a joystick keyboard.",
"query": "Summarize group discussion on remote control appearance and function design?",
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"answer": "In the design of the sphere remote control, User Interface used a hinge to connect the middle part, and a light sensor was used to avoid too many buttons. Project Manager proposed that the handle could make it more stable, but lost the features of the sphere; in the design of the joystick keyboard, Marketing also wanted to use hinges to make the keyboard remote control more portable. Industrial Designer proposed to add a round shape under the keyboard remote control to make the remote control more user-friendly. Project Designer proposed to add sensors on both sides for users to use more conveniently.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about possible detailed designings of remote control?",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought that the spherical remote control is easy to be thrown back and forth, which would reduce its service life and lack stability. There should be a compromise between the sense of design and stability.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer think about the design of spherical remote control when discussing detailed designings of ideal remote control?",
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"answer": "The team agreed that the joystick handle must be easy to operate by one hand, with some ups and downs behind it, so as to be more user-friendly. The remote control needs to be longer to indicate the direction of the remote control. For convenience, the project manager proposed to install sensors at both ends, but the industrial designer thought that the more technology investment, the higher the cost. The numbers and buttons on the remote control can clearly indicate its direction. In addition, he proposed that it should not be too small, or it might be hard to design functions.",
"query": "How did the team reach an agreement to address potential problems with the joystick keyboard when discussing detailed designings of ideal remote control?",
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"answer": "Project Manager proposed to price each remote control at 25 Euros. The profit aim for the team would be 50 million Euros in the first year. The market range would be international and over all age groups. The most popular and attractive remote control can be found by Marketing. Or, in terms of design, provide different designs for different target audiences in different countries.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about price issues and target groups of remote control when discussing functional and conceptual design of ideal remote control.",
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"content": "Okay . Oh , that's not gonna work . {vocalsound} Oh , alright . {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Um alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , uh , um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll just put that there . Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote . Uh I'm Nick Debusk , I'm the Project Manager . Uh we'll just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing , what your what your role is um . Go ahead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role . In the function design phase I will be talking about user requirement specification , and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , and I'll be doing research to figure this out . In the conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web . And then finally in the um detailed design phase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hiya , I'm Ryan . Um I'm the User Interface Designer . Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design . Um the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control . Um in the concept design , the user interface , how the user reacts with the the product . And the detailed design um {vocalsound} sort of like the user interface design , what they might be looking for , uh things like fashions , what makes wha how we're gonna make it special . That's about it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right . {vocalsound} I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um . In the functional design phase I'm {disfmarker} I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements , um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfil and so and so on . Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one . Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials um of our product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh the detailed design {disfmarker} in the detailed design I'll be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself , um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here . Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um so we've got our opening , our our agenda is the opening , uh acquaintance which we've kinda done . Uh tool training , project plan discussion and then closing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here . Um so we are putting together a new remote control . Um we want it to be something original . Um of course we're a {disfmarker} not only a electronics company but a fashion um conscious electronics company , so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use . {vocalsound} Um we've got the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um . And w uh {vocalsound} well um functional design um . Um do we have {disfmarker} um any ideas of of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have , and then we can go into how we're gonna design it and and how we're gonna do the detailing on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well uh s function of remote control is just just {disfmarker} you know , change channels is its main function .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we want it to be um a T_V_ remote or {disfmarker} I I mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . I suppose you c try make it a universal remote",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "for {disfmarker} could work on all sort of electrical products in in one person's house . But , you know , they all sorta have the same role changing channels , volumes and then programming .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like {disfmarker} I don't actually know . {gap} But is it just infra-red ? Is that standard ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I think {disfmarker} yeah , yeah , r universal remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ye yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um this is my first uh go-round with creating a remote control ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ours too . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think we're all in the same boat here . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um one thing I thought of with the remote control is you always lose 'em .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily , I thought that'd be quite good quite a good feature .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Ch",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a tracking device ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like a tracking device or or like a a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh you can get those key {disfmarker} well you could whistle or make a noise",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It makes a noise ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it'd beep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "there's a button on the T_V_ that you press",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm , mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Be good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Generally , all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Do we want {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just long .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so they're kinda like long and rectangular .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we want something crazy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Black usually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You know , we want something new that's gonna stand out .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Lot more modern .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A m a modern {disfmarker} so our remote should be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think so . Maybe sorta spherical or something . A ball .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe like user-friendly , like a little",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , where you can use both hands , like a little keyboard type thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thought maybe , because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another {disfmarker} if it was in a ball ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and maybe the actual controls are inside or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well there are of course certain restrictions , you can't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so there are always the {disfmarker} some restrictions we have to apply here . Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be , that refers to the material , pretty much um . What are we gonna build that thing out of ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How sturdy is it gonna be ? Do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever , have to buy one every half a year ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker} yeah , so we want it to be sturdy ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we want it to to hold up to somebody's child , you know , throwing it across the room or , as you said , people kinda throw it , so ball-shaped , uh you know , if it were ball-shaped maybe ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "then it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It could be cased on the outside and t everything could be inside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Um so we want it to be modern , fun , sturdy , um {disfmarker} So our form and our function . Um we want it to be um easy to find . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} What else {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} what else do we want it to to do ? So we want it to be universal . It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um and you know , goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fifty million Euros , what they wanna make on it , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association , maybe we wanna make it something that would globally appeal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's more on the research end , but {disfmarker} the marketing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So marketing , you know , how {disfmarker} maybe uh marketing , you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing {vocalsound} remote control out there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And maybe as far as design goes , maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ye Small .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like ? Maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there . Some ideas ? We want it to be a b a ball ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I'd {disfmarker} I could draw sorta the ball idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know , we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "My original idea was just simply sort of a sphere , where maybe you {disfmarker} this is where it's connected together , and then when you open it out , it could fol it could be maybe flip , like a flip phone , and then when you fold it out the middle {disfmarker} Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it . If that {disfmarker} if we did use a hinge , or if it was just two parts ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then you'd have just sorta you you you know , your buttons . Thing is inside I think , sometimes remotes have too many buttons , so maybe as simple as possible , um as few buttons inside as possible . Um , I dunno , what's the idea for . Just something {disfmarker} maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of like light or something or lights around it . It's looking a bit like something out of Star Wars at the moment though , to be fair .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Futuristic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That was that was a sorta simple idea I had",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then you know you could {gap} about {disfmarker} Right , it would almost be like a ball . So that was just just an idea I had . I don't know whether anybody else has other ideas ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . One problem you'd get with this design is um {disfmarker} the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but of course , since it's a ball , it'll roll , so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least , down here somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe f yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "take away that part . That's one of the big issues . Also also you risk the hinges here . That's that's um a problem .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's g that's a good idea . Yeah . The idea {disfmarker} it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's that's {vocalsound} interesting of course ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that was just one idea though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but that's of course a weak point , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How would we go about um making you know {disfmarker} getting rid of our weak points ? What {disfmarker} I mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not to put you on the spot ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} E No no ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh uh {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What did you say your title was again ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "N n",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You're the the Industrial Designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I'm your Industrial Designer ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so i b well ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the point is that {vocalsound} well maybe {disfmarker} I dunno . The shape is perhaps not the most ideal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "As as stable as it is , there must be a compromise between um stability and design here , so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I I suppose that things become {gap} design . But I mean i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I was trying to think of like the design of others . I can't think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "maybe small , sort of fatter ones , but there's nothing being done sort of out of left field , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not new , it's not innovative , it's {disfmarker} you know , everybody does long remote because it's easy ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's it's stable um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , I'll draw something . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "no , go ahead .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "My idea was just to have it be kind of like a keyboard type shape , you know , like video games",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "l so . But maybe {disfmarker} I mean that would be kinda big and bulky . We could also try to do the hinge thing , so it could like flip out that way . I don't know . {vocalsound} That's my idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think definitely doing something different",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "is a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean maybe design something , that's sort of like {vocalsound} suppose not everybody's everybody's hand's the same , but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Something with a grip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , with a grip .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Because even {disfmarker} I suppose even with the ball",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It still might be hard to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it still not the ho easiest thing to hold , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it might not be the easiest to hold onto um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So perhaps the the joystick {disfmarker} the the keyboard idea might work better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then again , people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda , so maybe maybe we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} True .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's d yeah . I think it's definitely got to be a a one-handed a one-handed job .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I feel like I'm just shooting everything down here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You're the boss , you're {vocalsound} allowed to .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well with the one-handed design you also have the the problem of the size w 'cause you know from cell phones , they can be too small . So if the remote is too small it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "if it's small it probably looks better , but may not be th as functional . So for that there's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "unfortunately we've got about five minutes here {vocalsound} to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it . Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um . Let's see here . What if we had what if we had not only um {disfmarker} say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to . So you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Course that'll then remove some of our our ball . Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part . So the grip is {disfmarker} No , that wouldn't work either um . But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways . So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then {vocalsound} flat uh {disfmarker} And then we have the problem with the hinge . So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea . From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell . So it's {disfmarker} don't make it too stable {vocalsound} uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we don't have it flip open . We just have a ball {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To the other design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so then we forget the ball .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It looks cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Looks cool though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It looks cool , but it's really not {disfmarker} it's not functional um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} functional .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we've got our sort of keyboard kind . What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um {disfmarker} Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you {vocalsound} had there . Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Course then it's it's like the rectangular {vocalsound} again , only with a couple of jutting out points . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But it's one-handed um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Question is what makes those game pads functional ? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand . So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "makes it nice , so that's the essential part . Except for that I think we'll not {disfmarker} probably not get a get away from some longer design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , all",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that dif batteries {disfmarker} right , and {disfmarker} Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I suppose you could do that . O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "More expensive and {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Course you can do that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or {disfmarker} if you look at it , it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it , since you have the the numbers and the and the {vocalsound} the buttons and stuff ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but um it's rather about an instinctual thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Put it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it . Otherwise the design of {disfmarker} or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Even if you designed it {disfmarker} in some {disfmarker} in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points . So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry to interrupt , but we have a warning to finish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are we out of time ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , well , just to finish up , should we s go with this plan , start making some {disfmarker} Are good ideas , what are not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does it say {disfmarker} what does it say for n",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Obviously {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Must finish now , so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "T",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next {vocalsound} time around , be a little bit more prepared .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh alright , good meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
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"topic": "Market research and related adjustments"
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"answer": "First, the project manager briefly reviewed the last meeting. According to market research, Marketing suggested adopting modern appearance, reducing buttons, increasing positioning and voice recognition functions. From the perspective of technical function design, User Interface emphasized that the user should be the centre, reduce the buttons, focus on modifying the shape of the remote control, and do not waste the budget to design the universal remote controller. Industrial Designer had come up with the option of cheap and sustainable batteries, infrared lights and voice recognition technology. Industrial Designer also offered mouse-like scrolling and clicking functions, as well as specific remote control shapes.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
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"answer": "Through market research, Marketing believed that the modern appearance of the remote control is important. Useless buttons can be combined or multi-functional remote control can be designed. Voice recognition function and positioning function are necessary.",
"query": "Summarize the presentation on Market Research and adjustments due to new project demands.",
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"answer": "User Interface advocated to adjust to meet the needs of users from the perspective of technical function design. It is mainly user-centred, reducing buttons and making it easier to use. In addition, User Interface suggested that the general remote controller proposed by marketing will increase the budget and button, so the research should be stopped and focused on the remote control's appearance design.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer believed that the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another system. The remote control needed an energy source to supply power to the integrated circuit, and had a chip and related information to control the infrared lamp. In the design, it can make the battery and infrared lamp cheaper and more sustainable. It can also add the design of speech recognition interface according to the market research provided by Marketing.",
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"answer": "From the last meeting, Project Manager concluded that the team needed to design a modern, interesting, distinctive, sturdy, positioning remote control. In order to be distinctive, the team can adopt a spherical or keyboard shape design. Based on the market research, Project Manager thought that a rechargeable battery or solar cell is necessary, and the setting of the positioner and the reduction of button number is feasible. Project Manager wanted the remote control to be used only for TV, which can save the budget. For voice recognition, he thought it was unaffordable for young people, so the design was abandoned.",
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"answer": "The project manager thought that the shape of the remote control can be designed as a bone or cube to reduce the number of buttons, and add the company's yellow and grey color. Marketing believed that anti lost equipment can be designed. Since it's a one-handed project, Marketing proposed to design a special version for left-hand users. User Interface thought that the sphere is not suitable for one hand use, the rectangle variant can be used. The more important the button is, the bigger it is and the closer it is to the thumb for easy operation.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer proposed to design mouse-like click function and the scrolling function which is the simplest in technology. In addition, some small protuberances can be designed under the remote control, which is more convenient for users from the perspective of ergonomics, and the battery can be installed from the engineering point of view. He also proposed a two in one remote control. The small remote control has simple basic functions and is easy to carry. The large remote control is not easy to lose when it is fixed on furniture such as a sofa or table.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Du",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thanks for coming to this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S how we doing on our remote ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have some {disfmarker} we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we yes s I've lo {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting . See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better . Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long . Then I believe each of you have a presentation . Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want . Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully . And uh then we'll have the closing . {vocalsound} Um which we'll have forty minutes for . Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um {vocalsound} who was responsible for what . I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation . Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert . She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants . Um {vocalsound} Ryan is our User Interface Designer . And Manuel is the Industrial Designer . So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want . Um we want to be modern , um fun , different . Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function . Um and we want to be different . Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas . Ball-shaped phone . The keyboard shape . Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed . Something we could use with one hand . Um and that was our last meeting . So um why don't um {disfmarker} Do each of you have a presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I'll hand it off to you and um {disfmarker} Does anyone {disfmarker} do you wanna go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we can maybe see what uh what the people want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What was it ? Function ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eight . F_ eight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F_ eight ? Well . {vocalsound} How do I get it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Slide show .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To go to the next one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right right right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you click on that guy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Alright . Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent . Oh gosh , I've no idea . {vocalsound} G",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just press the arrow keys I think . Usually goes to it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hit F_ eight again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then ? Again ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No I want something else on mine . Is that possible ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I think you have to hit escape . And then you can {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay but now you don't have that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh hit F_ eight again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I know . I did the same thing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then it should come up here shortly . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure . You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's okay . Okay . Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doing some marketing research ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted . And then some internet research . And I was sent a report that was {disfmarker} I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed . And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful . Um okay here are some of the findings . They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls . And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly . Which is a fairly significant number I would say . And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy . So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important . Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot . And if anyone could clarify what that means ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Just jus",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is is it j just just",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just using it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control . And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons . And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all . Of course channel selection is used the most frequently . And then teletext was the next . Volume and then power . And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used . So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button . Um the biggest user frustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea . They said it take {disfmarker} thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just repetitive strain injury . I think . That's what I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . And so bas okay . Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it . From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more . And it kind of just went down incrementally . The groups at {disfmarker} the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think {disfmarker} and decide if we think it's worth investing in this . At least if we're targeting the younger groups . And so in conclusion . Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct . We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control . Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore . So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room . Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose . And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition . And that's it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Very nice . Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wait can I look at that real quick ? {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well . {vocalsound} {gap} Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say . 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely . I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control . Um I had some things sent to me . Not very much . To look at similar devices . Um defined in some them . And then the personal preferences that I will suggest . Um we discussed a universal one . Um like it's just been brought up again then . But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies . I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to {disfmarker} i they're a nightmare to use . You have to set them , reset them to everything . Um and that would only add buttons . Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons . So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s . Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design . Um {disfmarker} Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls . They're just simple T_V_ remote controls . But one is uh user-centred . That is the one on the left . And you can straight away see there's less buttons . And the other one is {gap} engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um {disfmarker} {gap} which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the {gap} have said and the market research and stuff {gap} probably looking at something that should be user-centred . Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away {disfmarker} if ten percent is what's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under {disfmarker} some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away . And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across . Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated . Um {disfmarker} Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex . Um and as what it , the major findings {gap} market researchers have said , it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike . So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend . And that's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} cable there . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the i",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "On something on the image of it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the image of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh the f the actual design .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Good . Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there . Right . So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so um {vocalsound} I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board . Um just {disfmarker} This is the basic basic premise of a remote control . Um the basic function is to send messages to another system . Okay so much is clear . An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages . {vocalsound} Often in the form of infrared bits . This is the most mostly used . Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system . Um parts are cheaper as well . A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages . This is where my people screwed up basically .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'm going to explain that on the board rather . Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there . We'll start with an energy source . Right . Um which is usually a battery right ? {vocalsound} Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that . This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself {vocalsound} . Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact controls a chip . Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip . Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp . That sends out the signal . Of course the signal differs accordingly . Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp . And {disfmarker} Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface . The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically . You press something , you get a response . Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices . Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly . The the uh energy source for one thing can be altered . What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp . We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp . Right ? These two are components that we have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing . Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device . It c it doesn't have to be there . This can be discussed as well . {vocalsound} The user interface . That's something we can also discuss . Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment . Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that . Or if we just do the usual button thing . Or we have a touch pad or something like that {disfmarker} that's something we can discuss . And of course the energy source . Batteries . Solar cells . Who knows ? {vocalsound} Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact {vocalsound} available cheap enough , developed enough . But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not to",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we could {disfmarker} the the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to the industrial design department .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Expensive it's gonna be get uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But people have said that they would {disfmarker} well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So possibly it might be worth the investment .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work . 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o {gap} if it's on your phone .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I agree . Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you need to sort of take into light languages and then {vocalsound} different dialects I suppose as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition . Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something . Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over . I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then you know , you {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff . If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Volume up . Volume down . Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it , but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money . Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves , a fifteen year old you know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But practically I don't think it's {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a , it's a gimmick factor that they like at first , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It'll wear off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Gets old yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um {disfmarker} Let's see here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you wanna put your cord back in ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I guess so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Trade you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} go . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now I was sent a couple of things to modify our uh new requirements . Um the remote's only gonna be for the television , which is good because we already decided {disfmarker} y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated , it's more cost , more costly . And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it . I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem . Um no teletext . Um {disfmarker} So we don't have to worry about that . Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion in electronics . And our corporate colours are grey and yellow . And we could probably get away with black too but {disfmarker} So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use . Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting . We want something that looks good . Um we want something that's simple . We want something that you can find easily . Um {disfmarker} And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take . It's gonna cost more . S the young the younger people say that they like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But um it's probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time . So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition . Um {disfmarker} And that way we can focus on our form .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing . Is that {disfmarker} if it came with maybe a holder or holster , whatever you wanna call it . Um that you you should put it back in . Your remote . But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep {vocalsound} to find where it is or something . Just by infrared . That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it would be quite good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or or with {disfmarker} you know I guess with any form that that would be good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The ball could sit on a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know that could be the charger . For you know",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote . And that would be {disfmarker} or solar . Or you know {disfmarker} However , however you wanted to go about it , the holder could also be the charging unit . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "With the locator button . Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um like",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you still do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we still have the how to hold on to it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You s you still {disfmarker} W yeah . You put it on t on the couch table .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's gonna roll away .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "While you're watching ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Rolls away",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's gonna roll off . So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's not an issue really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} So I guess after the meeting {vocalsound} we'll have some questionnaires . And uh and some summaries for for what's going on . Um then we'll take lunch . Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work . Um {disfmarker} I'll do the minutes . Uh let's see . It looks like you're already on your way for uh working with the components . Um chips , the what chips we need",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and what uh you know how to power it and whatnot . User interface concept , we want it to be something simple .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Minimal number of buttons . I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did you have time earlier to to work on that . Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not really . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll yeah I'll have a look , try {gap} look at the actual appearance in the next break .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed . The ball is probably not a good idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And even something that's held like that might be difficult .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that I think it still has to be a variation . On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring , as plain as a rectangle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote . Or girls or older people ? Um {disfmarker} Would that {disfmarker} you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching . I {gap} find anything more on that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay . So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it . Um yellow and {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And our slogan pasted somewhere on it , on the the bottom",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bottom perhaps",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you know . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we could sketch a {disfmarker} so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort . You know . Um maybe we could flare it or something . You know . So it's more {disfmarker} of course this will look like a bone then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} go ahead and erase this . Um {disfmarker} Hope everyone memorised that uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They've gone from big brick block things , which is {gap} a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But they are all ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small . Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you had a handbag to carry it around in . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Maybe we could go with a square or something . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um you know with minimal number of buttons . I guess you've got you know one through nine . For typing in your channels . Uh you've got volume , up and down . Channel up and down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Power .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Power . Usually at the top . Um a mute .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's the classical design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's that's pretty much all you need I think . Um {disfmarker} A menu button , maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you know . If you , if we want the remote to do other things like um {disfmarker} or I guess the T_V_ to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T_V_s , we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in , press the menu button , scroll up and down to select it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Talk about maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} f look at that from the side , there maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which is technically the easiest option . Would probably be like a scrolling , little scrolling wheel like this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a wheel on your mouse .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sort of like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sort of .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can even if we're coming from mice , we can even add a click function , where you , in order to verify the information you just press it down . Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'S a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing , if you wanna make it square for the looks of it , then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing , you add a little bulge down here . Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I know . You know what I'm getting at here ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Look g yeah . Looks good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "fel look at it from the side . It's {gap} like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Uh {disfmarker} Then you hold it in your hand like this . And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the {disfmarker} or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To the thumb . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "To the thumb yeah . Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open . With the lesser used functions on this part ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Behind .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then it slides into that part . And out .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Definitely . {gap} just like o on a sort of side view . Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better . So you know you just sort of have your hand",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right on the {disfmarker} and your thumb would be up here type thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually . So .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's also true . {gap} instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I mean {gap} the older so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} is everyone {disfmarker} who in here's right-handed , left-handed ? You guys all right-handed ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right-handed ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm left-handed but I , so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Like the written language . {vocalsound} Or English .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote . {vocalsound} Special order .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . Ow . I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um but that's that's good . That's {disfmarker} w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there . Um {disfmarker} At least for what buttons we're gonna use . Um {disfmarker} So we've got uh {disfmarker} I like the scroll , the scroll action and the {disfmarker} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of {disfmarker} that sort of {vocalsound} {disfmarker} the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb . So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there . And then your thumb would do {disfmarker} you'd have all the buttons sort of round here . And that I think could work . On any hand . If you just had it like wrapped round there . Left or right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Kinda like holding a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . {vocalsound} That minimises it size-wise as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Minimise its size . It could be you know really quite small .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing . If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one . You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there . Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Zapping functions .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could be good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So two remotes in one . But then would be easier to lose one or the other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right . Means the big one has to be sufficiently big . And perhaps heavy , so you can't move it around .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It actually is your coffee table .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Make it a piece of furniture .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound} yes . Yes , there you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or a statue or something . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Well we need to finish up here . Um {disfmarker} So for the next {disfmarker} So for the next um {disfmarker} before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on {disfmarker} you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's go with our our uh rounded kind of fit in your hand {disfmarker} let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece . So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And Ryan you work on um how how well they'll work with the us with the user . So both of those concepts .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How well it'll work yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh okay I think we made some good progress here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} see you in {disfmarker} I dunno . I gu I guess we'll take lunch in about uh half an hour . {vocalsound} Or I guess we'll be taking lunch shortly and then then in about half an hour after that we'll probably have another meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"topic": "Market research on remote control users' desired features"
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"topic": "Possible remote control shapes and interfaces"
}
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{
"answer": "The group met to decide which features were desired by users and to decide how to design the shape and appearance of the remote control. Marketing and User Interface presented on what features were desired by remote control users, and Industrial Designer presented on the required internal components of a remote control. They decided not to pursue speech recognition and settled on designing a rounded one-handed remote control with minimal buttons.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The group decided that speech recognition appeals to mostly younger people. The team decided speech recognition is mostly just a gimmick and is not used unless it works very well.",
"query": "What did the group discuss about merits of speech recognition inclusion?",
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"answer": "Marketing agreed that speech recognition gets old and is a gimmick. Marketing also thought that since younger people are not the consumers spending money on remotes their preference for speech recognition might not matter greatly.",
"query": "What did Marketing think about the merits of speech recognition inclusion?",
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"120"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "According to Marketing's research, ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they would spend more money to buy a remote with speech recognition.",
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"answer": "Marketing presented the results of interviews conducted with remote control users. Eighty percent of users indicated that they would be willing to pay more for a remote that looked fancier. Fifty percent of users indicated that they generally only use about ten percent of the buttons on their remote controls. User Interface then presented the difficulties of a universal remote and also mentioned that few buttons are needed frequently by users.",
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"answer": "Marketing thought that making the remote look cool and modern was important. Marketing also thought that many buttons could be removed or combined. Marketing also thought a tracking device and speech recognition could be good ideas.",
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},
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"answer": "Marketing and User Interface agreed on the importance of fewer buttons for a user-centered remote. Marketing and User Interface also agreed on the importance of the appearance of a remote control.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . Okay . Alright . Is everyone here ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . This is our conceptual design meeting . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll just take a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes . Um then each of you will have your presentation , um and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control . And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll go through the mee through the minutes first . Um , we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um we decided that , or we know that we need to use company colours , company logo . Um {vocalsound} and our Marketing Expert uh gave us some i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users . Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before . People thought their remotes were ugly , um um that remotes zap a lot . Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and that they often lose the {disfmarker} it's easy to lose a remote . Um which were all things we were thinking we would {disfmarker} wanna make it simple . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And uh some sort of locator . Either a button or tracking device . Um {disfmarker} And that it should look different than what's out there . Um {disfmarker} Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition . The younger people said they wanted it , older people did not . Um uh I think we decided that um the expense was not necessarily worth it , and that it was probably a gimmick , that um would increasingly wear on the consumers' nerves . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions of the remote . Um the simple versus the um the complex . The simple one being better for a user , the complex better for an engineer . Um {disfmarker} Um and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote , something simple . Um and that we didn't wanna go with a universal remote , because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity . Um we would just have a T_V_ remote . Um and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote . Have it s be something that looks different . And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work . Um from energy source , um uh what we would use . Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} How that would power the remote and the lamp . If we were to to have one . Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip , {vocalsound} which would work with the infrared controls uh to send the signal to the T_V_ . Um {disfmarker} I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand . {vocalsound} And with a , just a few buttons . Just the basics . And with a scrolling um function also . Okay and I will leave that , leave it at that . So {disfmarker} Marketing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We're watching trends .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Can I have your cable please ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I suppose that you can have this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Okay so I was looking at trend-watching . Um unfortunately I wasn't given too much information . I was given a brief executive summary , and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at . And then I'll just tell you some personal preferences that I got from that . Um okay the most important finding was that the fancy look-and-feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look-and-feel design , which I think we've kind of already discussed before . Um the second most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative . And again these are all things we've kind of already come up with on our own , but this just backs it up . And thirdly the remote would be easy to use . As far as fashion update , we've learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths , shoes and furniture .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote , but we can try . Um and also , as opposed to last year , this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel . {vocalsound} Okay so from that um , as we've already said , we need to focus on a fancy look-and-feel . Um I think we've already discovered that it's kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design . But I think that , even if it's very subtle , we need to kind of trick our consumers , so they at least get the idea that they're getting something that's new and modern and sleek and {disfmarker} Whether it's through the shape or the colours or all of that . Um for technologically innovative , we've talked about the tracking device . We brought up the idea of having two pieces , which we could discuss further . And Manuel had suggested um the energy source and the user interface , discussing some of those , um that we could change a little bit . We need to keep it simple , have limited buttons , which I think the two piece idea might be really beneficial for . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables . I don't know , I mean I guess the two options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A banana shape ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh it was sort of banana shaped . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Right . Or with exterior designs . But my question is , I mean the stereotypically speaking , you kind of picture males with their remote controls , and I'm not sure how they'd feel about having fruity logos on the outside .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we could have something that's somewhat removable , or I don't know , different options for female , male target groups . And then the spongy feel . I guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that's out there . C and look at different types of material that {vocalsound} might please our users who want spongy-feeling remote controls . So that's that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So possibly like a uh ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorry , just to butt in for a second . Possibly uh like a cover like they have for mobile phones ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what I was thinking yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Those like , yeah , sort of spongy ones .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have one with a flag , and one with a banana and one that's a spongy",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah . So when you buy your remote you can buy",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "feel to it . {vocalsound} You can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "various coverings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm various covers .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What's it called ? Cust you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} personalised , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Personalise your remote . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We could leave that to the cover department . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} We all know they've got nothing to do all day .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Why can't I see the {disfmarker} crazy . Um yeah I {disfmarker} talking about the interface concept and how the customer relates to , will use the , consumer will use the actual device . Um so I've looked at some of the stuff I was sent , um , try and get some inspiration . But keep in mind that our own ideas that we had . Um I was sent some information from the company saying that they , the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology , where you can program questions into such devices . They gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question , you program the answer , and the machine responds accordingly . Um okay . There's different ways of a user can use products l like a remote . Um there's a graphical use , where you you look at pictures and well on a screen . A command line where you obviously type things in , and you get a response . Um and then it ju that's just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes . You can't really see that picture well , but there's various different remotes , once again with lots of different buttons on , making it more complicated .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , then I had a look at new products that are on the market . Not necessarily remote controls but ones that you'll recognise . Um this is the voice , there is a voice recognition remote control , which can control mus multiple devices . I have a {disfmarker} there is a picture {gap} . You surf your favourite channels uh with your voice . Store up to eighty speech samples , controls four devices , T_V_ , cable , satellite , V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ and audio . And you can record your own v verbal labels , that are connected to remote control functions . So the technology is there . Um the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previous meeting , where there {disfmarker} has scroll down functions on the side . You can sort of just make those out . And then on the right is obviously an iPod , which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there , and really is , and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through . That is a {vocalsound} possibility . And nothing's simpler really . Um then there's things like this , which is a a a kid's remote , where the the parents have the facility to control and program what children can watch before . So the remote control it o only allows them to access the channels that their parents want them to watch . And um it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control . So I don't know {gap} if there's a possibility of having one remote contr you know like we just had two components , maybe it can have more components you know , different remotes . Um the point made at the end there here is that you have to be sort of be {disfmarker} need to be clear on your um devices , as to what , you know , things you use . Sometimes an arrow pointing down , which may suggest volume down , could become confused just as a V_ for volume . Just little things like that , which would need to be made clear in the design . Um I think , d carrying on from what I've already said , a user friendly remote with minimum buttons . Maybe we've so suggested this two-part thing , where if it was to have a speech recognition thing , you could maybe control that on the {disfmarker} do it {disfmarker} or program all that on the control bit . And then just have the simple sort of hand-held thing that we sort of devised earlier , as the actual remote . Um I don't {disfmarker} it could be a graphical display , the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an iPod where you just sort of control through the menus . Stuff like {gap} gets more and more compli complicated . And then the the hand-held bit should be ergonomically designed . And that is it . Why am I {disfmarker} Oh yeah . Just {gap} . {gap} Where are we ? Uh . Just to sort of show you . M {gap} they've even got things like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huge things . Which is just {gap} for your gr ninety year old grandma yeah ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's industrial design for cranes , stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Notice the giant dog bone shape ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Makes sense , makes sense .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Also good for animals .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . See . {gap} things {gap} . {gap} . Why's my screen crazy ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Well let's see . I'm going to bore you with a couple of descriptions of the interior .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there , and that we do have to fit the stuff in there . I've more information on possible materials um as well . What we can and cannot do . Um but let's just wait for this to load up and I'll show you what we're talking about here . Okay . The details of the components' design , as you can see there , what we have is the board , main board of the remote control . {vocalsound} The underside , that's pretty cheap piece of of technology really {gap} top left side you can see the chip , which is the , what we were talking about , this was is the device to recognise the signals the input , and it passes it on to a row of um further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal , which later on is being , is being transferred to a infrared lamp which then um of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognise what signal um it's getting and will do what you tell it . Um {disfmarker} So much for the the workings of the of the uh remote control itself . {vocalsound} Its job is to wait for you to press a key , then to translate that key press into infrared light signals , um that are received by the television . When you press a key um you complete a specific connection . The chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed . It produces a morse code line signal specific to that button . Right . Pretty clear . Transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the L_E_D_ which translates the signal into infrared light . The sensor in the T_V_ can see the infrared light , and seeing the signal reacts appropriately . This is the circuit board from the other side . Um the lower part of it , I don't know if you can see that properly , with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the first the first slide just flipped over . Um you can see the circuit board itself . That's the cheapest uh way to make electronic connections basically on the market . Um what you do is you have , don't have cables , but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board . These are the actual keys that are being pressed . They close the electric circuit . That then sends the signal to the chip on the other side . That would be behind here . Um which uh sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there . Now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it . {vocalsound} Um the way it works is that you have the keys here . The rubber button has a little metal uh plate on the other side , which closes the circuit here . And thus gives on the signal . Now this is the simple version . {vocalsound} Um we are talking um this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time . We are talking something more complicated of course , it's going to be more expensive as well . And not only that . Um we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell , or in the material that we could use for our outer shell . Um {vocalsound} I've gotten some information that we could use for the case material plastic , rubber , as well . Um rubber that is used in these anti-stress balls . So it's pretty squishy . That would that would serve that purpose .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Spongy ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} we could also use wood , or titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} What's the approximate per hundred thousand for the titanium ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh fya",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't have an information on that . However our company {vocalsound} obviously can provide us with uh with the titanium , so I assume , I'm , I was given an okay to use it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It certainly is an expensive material ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm aware of that , but I was given an okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But there are certain restrictions to certain materials . Now let's first go through the list with the materials . So we what we can use is plastic , rubber , wood and titanium . Can also mix these . Um as for the energy source , um we were talking about that shortly in the other meeting . Um what we could use is , or what I was offered , or what we could use , is a basic bateer battery . Right ? Uh a dynamo . Interestingly enough .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um we could use solar cells . Or a device that was not n not further specified that provides kinetic energy . Such as like watches you know . Where you just move them m move the the actual device and this pr uh provides it with with uh some energy . So um obviously I personally have to say that dynamo is out of the question really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You don't wanna wind up your remote control before you can use it right ? Um solar cell is interesting . {vocalsound} May fail though , every here and there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would you have to leave it by the window ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": ". Or you know you lose it , it lies behind the couch for a week",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} yeah mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Works well in Arizona but in Edinburgh not so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Always the {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Y probably not yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "exactly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um the kinetic energy thing um might work , um but the same problem . You leave it lying around and you first have to shake it before it it starts to work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I'd say what we're stuck with really is um the basic battery . Which also makes a base station basically obsolete . We don't need that then . Um {disfmarker} However our interface options are push-buttons . In which uh in the production of which or in manufacture of which um our company is expert . Um {disfmarker} However we've discussed that scroll wheels are a better option . And they are possible . We have an okay for scroll wheels . Okay . Um however {vocalsound} when it comes to the scroll wheel of the iPod I've one big objection and that is that we have to fit an L_C_D_ into the remote control as well . This however may exclude certain um materials . If you have a squishy uh kind of remote control , then an L_C_D_ screen may be affected by the movement . Hence we might not be able to put it in there . So um {disfmarker} There's also restrictions {vocalsound} to , when it comes to the chip . If we have a more sophistic uh sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic uh set-up that we that I've just presented , um the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well . I don't have any details to , when it comes to the cost but um it will be a significant difference . I'd rather say drop the titanium and therefore let's have a more sophisticated chip , but that's not up to me to decide really . {vocalsound} So that's for the for the scroll wheel . Um it limits our choice and squishy is hip , so I'd say rather not go for for that . Let's see now . Um um solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex um surface or um remote control . But obviously that's not our problem um since we have decided or against solar cells , I assume right ? Or is anybody still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No I think I think batteries are probably the way to go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional I assume . Um {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} With the titanium um we cannot make it a curved design . We would just be able to make it flat and and um yeah a straight design pretty much . Which I assume would exclude uh some of the more sophisticated versions . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would the sort of {vocalsound} spongy and the the plasticky thing {disfmarker} y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a {disfmarker} it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Like a covering . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I don't know if that would still be possible to have you know {gap} in plastic . But then where do people hold it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just all be sort of spongy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts , so they can remove it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} So you {vocalsound} as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it , like a screen ? Like the iPod ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can have an L_C_D_ screen . Um but therefore no rubber will be used .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright ? So plastic yes , titanium yes , but this will of course influence the form . With plastic , as I understand it , you can use any form . Um latex is tricky . Or rubber and um and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form . So the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular , uh add an L_C_D_ screen , and um then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium . Or wood even .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um if you wanna make it a particular shape , use plastic . Add an L_C_D_ screen , add a scroll wheel , that'll be fine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or make it just push-buttons . Basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options . Maybe not the nicest feel . Or not much originality really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the ru wait the rubbery {disfmarker} we can shape it however we want ? Or the rubbery we cannot ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} With rubber we could uh sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but we cannot add scroll wheels , and we cannot add an L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's the tricky thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen , and then j just sort of that initial shape we had , just which is uh sort of banana-esque . So that's {gap} thing if we did it yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit . They wouldn't have any {disfmarker} they're just on the exterior . They wouldn't be necessary to the actual shape of the thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that an option , a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S Certainly can be done yes . Um yeah . if that doesn't affect the functional side of it all .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like say just the underside or so then it can be done . I assume . Yeah . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The fruit design um {disfmarker} How about um affecting the surface of the actual um remote control ? Say we don't make it p a particular fruit shape obviously ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but uh give it like the surface of an orange , banana , whatever . You name it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about a smell ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just design-wise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "T {vocalsound} to the remote ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Nice one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You could just sell it in different colours as well I suppose . In different ye yellows .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bright citrus colours yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't suppose we have to stick to co",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we we're supposed to stick to the company colours though ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Stick to the colours yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's yellow and grey .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yellow and grey .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yellow and grey .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what have we , lemon , banana , is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm grapefruit . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Grapefruit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Grapefruit",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "is what we'd go for , when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps . But {disfmarker} mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would say , if I were to make a decision , I would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think having a shape could be a little ridiculous ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we have it banana-shaped already , kind of .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well we kinda do yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} {vocalsound} and if it if it was done yellow , which is a company colour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And if it's yellow ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's it's yellow . It's curved .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I it's yellow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Grey buttons yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's sort of {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well so why not add a couple of grey stripes and make it look like a banana ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "couple of couple of grey stripes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} We could put the grey stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "On the the gr the rubbery grips could be grey .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It would look like a banana just sitting on their table .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Rather than {disfmarker} {vocalsound} rather th {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could {disfmarker} and then you could actually h put the banana-shaped thing on the fruit bowl , on the coffee table ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then people would always know where it was .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe the holder , if we were to have a holder , it could be shaped like a fruit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nice . Could look like a fruit bowl .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could be an ape . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Could be ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it could be an ape or a fruit bowl . we could have a variety of options here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you have more to your presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's pretty much it . I informed you about the materials , what the interior has to look like , and what the limitations to certain materials are on",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} there you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I'm gonna plug in here real quick . If I could .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure . Hang on . There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like I said we have to make a decision on a couple of these items here . Um {disfmarker} ow . Ow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So is the two piece idea out ? Or have we not decided ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we sort of {disfmarker} {gap} rid of that because {gap} gonna use a battery . And the base station might not be necessary .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh right okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we can still design a two-piece uh remote um without having a base , having one of them be a base station ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions , or you take out the smaller piece .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We can still do that . However {vocalsound} of course this would be like designing two remotes pretty much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So um which then , as I understand it , would probably limit the , limit again the the the use of certain materials , because they would be too expensive . Say like have a scroll wheel and uh on both of them , or have an L_C_D_ screen and so on so on . You'd probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "design which we saw there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But could be done , of course .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Uh so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting . Um for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source , um the chip-on-print , and the case . Probably case um material . And probably a shape also . Um and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape , what , what the type is . And what kind of supplements we'll have . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Energy source I think we've , I think we've decided batteries , although not exciting , are probably our best bet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And we have five minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay when it comes to the chip-on-print , as I said , the the more advanced features you want , um the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive . Uh if you want just a normal button version , the chip-on-print is gonna be",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "a cheap one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Um I guess we should pick the case then . If we go with the plasticky case , or the the plastic case , um then the chip-on-print is still kind of , we could have either or . We could have a complex one or a a non-complex . But did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well what about what you said , like putting the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "just maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "finger grips just on top of the plastic ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Just a little bit of {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we would , we would have the L_C_D_ screen ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} as long as the pla uh the rubber is nowhere near the controls , yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So I guess the case would be plastic , with {disfmarker} Perhaps that's not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it . It's more of a su it's more of a supplement maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "M more of a l lamination perhaps . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So then for the scroll , are we going for the iPod type ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think so . I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which will require a more expensive chip-on-print right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . It does .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So {disfmarker} I guess that , is that , is that about it ? So we have a good idea of what we're gonna need to to do on this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um okay so we will have another meeting in thirty minutes . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Here's what's gonna be going on . Um {disfmarker} Um Ryan you'll be working on the user interface design . Um {disfmarker} Manuel you'll be working on the look-and-feel design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Corrine we'll want a product evaluation . And the two of you get to play with the uh modelling components and uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe and and get us a prototype . Which should go along well with your look-and-feel design and your interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that {vocalsound} basically {gap} just be working on the prototype , {vocalsound} uh we'll accomplish your other two actions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . {vocalsound} Okay . Let's do it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
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"answer": "Firstly, Project Manager reviewed the overall process that the team designed the remote control that they had viewed the fashion trends and incorporated the key features. After that, User Interface introduced the prototype of remote control based on the previous discussion of its function. The prototype was yellow like a banana with a simplest quick on-off button and could be used both-handed. Secondly, Marketing designed an evaluation test according to criteria found of the market trend as well as the customers' complaints and the team gave one to seven points to the shape, colour, material, controls and functions of the product. Thirdly, the team found that the current product exceeded the budget, so the team decided to completely discard the single button and LCD. Lastly, the team gave positive feedback on the project and the process.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
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{
"answer": "Project Manager introduced that the prototype incorporated fashion trends that people prefer fancy looking products like fruit and vegetable. After That, User Interface presented the product which looked like a banana and was bright yellow except for the blue button. The style was as simple as possible in order to fit the customers' need for simplicity. Also, the product could be curved and used both-handed with advanced chips hidden inside, which seemed quite creative and identical to iPod features. In the end, Industrial Designer commented that the remote control could be smaller in size.",
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"answer": "Marketing had some evaluation criteria in mind, based on previous marketing strategy, on the latest trends, and on user preferences. The team should figure out whether their product could solve the complaints of the ugly remote control. There was a seven-point scale rating for each criterion. The team would give comments to each feature listed and agree on the final rating.",
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"answer": "Generally speaking, the team agreed that the product was intuitive and had successfully incorporated main aims that the team had. The team believed the customers were not likely to lose the remote control since it was big and bright yellow with speech recognition. Moreover, Industrial Designer suggested adding an extra feature for the product to raise volume like hell when it was removed so far from the TV. However, the team also noted that costs should be compared when deciding to use annoying alarms or others.",
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"answer": "To start with, the team agreed that the remote control was indeed innovative with the LCD display incorporated and the way it could be used both-handed with an alarming feature. Also, it aimed at the recent fashion trend since it looked like a banana with a special yellow colour. Although some of its features were identical to an iPod, the team believed that it was a creative design for remote control.",
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"answer": "Project Manager first introduced the budget and broke it down to parts like batteries, electronics, case material supplements, interface type and then button supplements. The team agreed that the push button, integrated scroll-wheel and the LCD display cost a lot but case materials were all the same. In this case, the team decided to discard the LCD since the information it could transmit could also be simply displayed on the screen. As for the recognition feature, the team decided to make it a big deal to be alarming. And lastly, the product would be pure yellow instead of a blue button.",
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"answer": "The team thought they had a really great team work experience. Everyone had put efforts into the process and gave opinions to design a good remote control. Also, the process incorporated different stages and new ideas could always be added based on the market finds.",
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"content": "Yep . Soon as I get this . Okay . This is our last meeting . Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting . Uh and then we'll have a , the prototype presentation . {vocalsound} Um then we will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation . Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget . Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line . Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting . Um we looked at uh the the trends . We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as important as anything else . Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles . Um and a spongy feel . So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype . Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity . Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote . Um looking at other other devices . Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that . Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea . Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at . Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use . But I think we've still decided not to go with that . {vocalsound} Then we looked at the components um the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote . Um and basically how , what were making for the prototype . So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The prototype discussion .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The prototype yeah . Do you need a {disfmarker} this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Can try to plug that in there",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There is our remo {gap} the banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow . Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic . These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips . So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it . Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel . You have to use your imagination a little bit . And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Very nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels . Volume up and down . And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus . It's that that simple . That just represents the infrared uh beam . That's a simple on and off switch . Um I don't know , we could use the voice . T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose . And um {vocalsound} that's about it . It's as simple as you , we could make it really .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is there anything you want to add ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's what we have there . That's plastic . Plastic covered with rubber . We might uh add some more underneath here . Maybe give it , give it a form . I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't make much make much difference .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you have some rub yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly , {gap} use both . Might as well think about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "T the actual thing might be smaller .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Th think about the button as well . Like either put either one {gap} one on either side or",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What but what's that button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "not do it at all . It's a quick on-off button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just the on and off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's um",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah I think it's pretty important . So you don't have to fiddle with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Um that's not um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice . You wanna play with that over there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Would you like to uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Pretty impressive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well done .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Kind of a banana .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And whether or not it would fall into the cost {gap} everything I suppose . With the scroll and the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well luckily we are going to find out . Or not luckily . Um do you have a marketing presentation for us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I do . Okay . You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria . Um . Okay . So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found . Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier . And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype . And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did . Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier . So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale . And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that . With seven being false , we did not achieve that . {gap} . Okay . So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's definitely different than anything else out there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So if they think that what is out there is ugly , then yes I would say , I would say most definitely .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's bright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's bright . It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It still has your traditional black .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's curved . It's not {disfmarker} there's no sharp",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "angles to it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , not angular .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "However the colour , we don't have a say in that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Some people might say it . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'S nothing you can say about that . I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah something more modern to go {disfmarker} a a modern colour to go with the modern form .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Right . It's different . You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um okay so , do you think , since we {disfmarker} This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Does that sound good ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What do you think ? Three ? Four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "four . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Four is fair . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very non-committal , four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the second one . Did we make it simple for new users ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's very intuitive , I think yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think that was the main aim , one of the main aims that we had .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} S give it a one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'kay . Okay . Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah . 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls {gap} most common , which are channel and volume .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd say that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S scrolling through and selecting a few .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So that's a one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that's a one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? {vocalsound} Okay . Okay um the fourth one . How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's bright yellow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Bright yellow's hard to lose . But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition . That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing . That was what we'd we'd mentioned .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just just to use , to find it when it was lost . But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oops . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things . That's gonna be a difficult shape to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And it is quite bright and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean you know {gap} loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's true .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . You probably {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Probably two . You know . If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'd say two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "With the speech recognition , which of course may be changed depending on budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Y you could add an extra feature actually . Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah true . But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have . They're cheap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Annoying alarm or something ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it can't be that",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um the {disfmarker} it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "expensive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Some sort of proximity {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage , another piece that starts beeping . That can't cost much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide , so you have one piece , you have to glue somewhere behind your {disfmarker} stick it behind your T_V_ and the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} stick it on the T_V_ {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That'd be tough then . {vocalsound} Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah . Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So . Are we adding one of these two features ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Let's add one of those features and say yes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} gonna say {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're {vocalsound} back to a one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or a two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two , 'kay . Okay . Are we technologically innovative ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'd say so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh don't get many mo remote controls with",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's all just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "screens on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's stolen technology .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "From iPod yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we have {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But there's not a lot of yellow , there's not a lotta yellow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But for remotes {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Course that wasn't really {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fa",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we were kinda forced to take that colour .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two ? Three ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} 'cause it's stolen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No maybe not .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah not really .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But how many remotes do you see like this ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If we added the screaming factor {vocalsound} then we go up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Not so many .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um I would say we're probably at four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Really ? Okay . {vocalsound} That's gonna hurt us .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um spongy material ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well you have that , kind of , sort of .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have some spongy , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah as much as as needed , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not a one though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One would be the whole thing",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because it's only got what , these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side {disfmarker} the bottom {disfmarker} the underneath on the back .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to fold and stuff . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that's a four at most .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Probably a four at most . Possibly even a five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And lastly , did we put the fashion in electronics ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'd say we did .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda , you betcha . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "More {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L_C_D_ and the way you operate it than the form and the colour ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "On the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but it definitely is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Be what we were told , and they'd say yeah , definitely .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Alright . Now we just gotta calculate . Six eight twelve sixteen . Seventeen divided by s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seven is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Eight .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} two point four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that some long division ? No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I haven't done math in years .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What two {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just , I'm sure there's a {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay we'll say two point four two . Right ? How does that look ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm impressed . I can't do that without a calculator . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No I can't do long {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's been a while .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "very impressive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And what what is the acceptable criteria ? Is there like a scale that we have to hit ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no . They just told me to",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it {vocalsound} basically .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Alright then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well , let's see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now we get to do the budget numbers . You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget . But we do . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah so . You'd been going a long time dividing that . It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh my god .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two point four two basically .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah we'll go with that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I have here an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Fifty percent , you're kidding .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Not too shabby .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} P",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We want a fifty percent profit on this . Oh you can't really see that very well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Charge about three hundred quid for it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us . Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's too much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well let's see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The f the {disfmarker} Wonder if I can make this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Oh it won't let me do that . Okay . Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not . I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but so we've got the energy source . There's uh four , five , six categories .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have energy source , electronics , case . Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements . Okay so {disfmarker} Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery . Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Probably some e either two or four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two ? {vocalsound} Like it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At four it's gonna be too heavy , so that that's not our problem . People can change it every month .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} They won't know until after they bought it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is consumerism .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're advanced chip are we ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , {gap} we have one of those . 'Kay then the case is a {disfmarker} Probably it's double curved .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Double curved , yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Case materials are",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "plastic . Um I guess it's two , since one for the top , one for the bottom .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "N no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that right or is it just one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that's just one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's one because of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's just one mo single mould , we can do that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero , which is nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly , right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Special colour ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's not a special colour . It's a specially ugly colour , but it's not special .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Bright yellow .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Interface type . We have pushbutton , scroll-wheel interface , integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton , and an L_C_D_ display .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we actually have the L_C_D_ display",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then is it the integrated or is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd say the integrated .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes unfortunately .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Button supplement ? Special colour ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um special form ? Special material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We could of course make the buttons wood .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Say mahogany or so",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It'd look really lovely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or titanium .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm or titanium .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They cost us all the same .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} remote control {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that's getting a bit tiny .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd ignore that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Leave it blank .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L_C_D_ and scroll . So our total is fifteen point five . Which I believe is",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's too much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "by three Euros over .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's hard to believe . So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And just had a scroll wheel interface . And the L_C_D_ display . I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well 'cause we have to have both right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean let's let's face it , it also depends on the software on the on the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So s yeah let's take away the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T_V_ itself .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we may not need the L_C_D_ display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that is possible yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right . We may not need it . There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well there we go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There we go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Perfect .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we just remove our {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Screen .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "screen here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Make it a bigger dial .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Easier to use . Even easier to use then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Besides look at what the L_C_D_ does to our lovely remote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Back to the design room boys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we can just take away a heck of a lot of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "there you go . {gap} central ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What's the blue part ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That was just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we ran out of yellow . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh that's the batteries .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There you go",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": ". Oops .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Even simpler .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Looks more like a banana .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "For all those fruit lovers out there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One more criteria .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro . Was no . We redesigned it . Now it's yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Next slide . Project evaluation . Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found . Um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} I guess that {disfmarker} Let's see here . I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me . But I'd like to hear your thoughts .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Fair enough . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Trying to fill in some time there . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh h what did you think of our project process ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we did {disfmarker} yeah I think we did quite well . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Good teamwork {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just half a day , you have a remote . There you go .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Right from the start of the day .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} we st we started off a little little weak . Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing . Um room for creativity ? There was that . Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things . Um you guys worked together well as a team . And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We've used the whiteboard .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Super super .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I had some problem with the pen I think , but {vocalsound} minus your p",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Minus your PowerPoint fiasco .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well that's not my fault . That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No I know . I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Incom {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh they've just you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Heads are gonna roll , believe me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have a list of employees that you would like fired .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . N new ideas found ? Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Kinda .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes for the remote . Maybe no not f for",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Technology used .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "technology . Alright . Closing . Costs are within the budget . Project is evaluated . Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary . That's it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actually . Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up . And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We might have a while though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But that's the end of our meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
] |
IS1000a
|
Product
|
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},
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],
"topic": "Cost constraints and financial targets of the new remote control project"
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],
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
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"390"
]
],
"topic": "Prioritizing remote control features"
}
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{
"answer": "Project Manager introduced a new remote control project for television sets, and the team got acquainted with each other and technical devices. The remote control would be priced at 25 Euros and a production cost of 12.5 Euros. Priority will be given to standard features, such as sorting through channels, instead of more advanced internet features.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "User Interface and Industrial designer expressed a desire to integrate cutting-edge features into the remote. Marketing pointed out that most of the market will buy it for standard use, like changing channels and adjusting volume, so those features should be the priority. Project Manager agreed, explaining that people expect a well-functioning, normal remote for their proposed product price of 25 Euros.",
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]
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"answer": "Marketing believed that fancy features like IP would not be used by most people. The overwhelming majority of users would want convenient channel browsing and volume adjustment features. Those should remain the main focus instead of more novel features.",
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"358",
"358"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface initially suggested that the remote control could also incorporate forward-looking features, like controlling personal video recorders. UI quickly jumped on board with focusing on regular features, however.",
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{
"answer": "The remote control would be priced at 25 Euros, produced at a maximum cost of 12.5 Euros, and primarily marketed in Europe and North America. At least 4 million units would have to be sold to meet the company's profit goals.",
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"answer": "Project manager introduced the financial information: 25 Euro selling price and 12.5 Euro production cost. PM then went on to elaborate that the target market would primarily consist of Europe and North America. PM expressed that a profit aim of 50 million Euros, which could be achieved by selling 4 million of these remotes, was achievable.",
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{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or you get it . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No I don't think so it has to be like that yeah and you have to adjust the length . Okay , and then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So we uh {disfmarker} we will wait for Anna , a few minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , s yeah , um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm {vocalsound} . Yours is well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think you can put anywhere you want , actually . I thin",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but the the mic should not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not a directional mic , anyway .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it should work like this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I will try to get my presentation running .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Can't help you with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Last .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's no matter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it's y yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No problem . Ah yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then press uh al",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just try .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On this normal {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alt F_ five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good . Doesn't appear on the screen here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow . Amazing . It's working {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thank you . {vocalsound} Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hold that . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes and you can put can clip it uh on your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Somewhere . So , {vocalsound} good morning , everyone . Um {disfmarker} Welcome at uh {disfmarker} at the kick off meeting of our uh latest project .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I hope you all have been uh updated about it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here . Um after the opening we will tr get acquainted to each other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "See what our roles are in this project . So , um {disfmarker} We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh {disfmarker} to communicate and to well , learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so w we will also try to uh to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before . Um then we will come to the uh to the to the actual project plan . You all know I hope {vocalsound} how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Total .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh then we will uh discuss uh , well , how it should be and uh {disfmarker} wh what uh what our new product should look lite {disfmarker} like . And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting . So . Um basically this is about a uh a new c remote control . Um {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} When you design a new product you of {disfmarker} uh you of course want it to be original . Be uh {disfmarker} we want to be distinguished , mm ? People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think , well that's the product I I need . So it needs to be trendy . I mean trendy is what people want , so then I w they will buy our product . But then , uh , it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwise people uh uh well it will not be uh be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , the general outline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase . Um {disfmarker} You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase and uh then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design . And the same holds for the uh ph two phases uh after this , the conceptual design and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape . Alright , but first we will do some uh tool training . In all in front of you uh you see uh the uh notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a white-board .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whitebo",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And um well it should work uh {disfmarker} I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar . I didn't find out yet how it work , but maybe one of you did , so {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Under documents in the shared folder . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Do {disfmarker} Do we have to say something about that ? I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share . And uh , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes well we will then find out ho how it works .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . Well , this seems to me , yes , some computer program but I didn't find it yet . So , we'll come to that later . So , uh now we will try out the white-board we have here . So , I would suggest uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Each of us is going .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , yes , um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way . I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm not really sure how this works , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , shall I start ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "a good idea Mael .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you can start it you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard , but they'll be recording what we write down .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , i",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No they will record through that . There's a sensor over there",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which is going to record the strokes that you make .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actually , I think I cannot go with uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} D doesn't it work ? Maybe someo Maybe {disfmarker} maybe Anna , maybe you can start .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have to draw .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um {disfmarker} L Why don't you draw uh {vocalsound} your favourite animal on on th on the white-board .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "M my {disfmarker} my favourite animal . {vocalsound} Sorry this is all tangled up here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , I see uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's better .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes . Mm . So draw it . We will try to guess what it is . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} I'm a very bad drawer .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Weird . Um . You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing . I'm a bad drawer . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They're ears , by the way .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'s a cat .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No . Um close though . Okay so {disfmarker} like a pet animal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Like a cat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's like a cat , so I guess it's a cat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , not a cat though .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What is this now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah you forget about it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You're on the knife .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , uh I think it's fine . I just don't want to carry it off . Man , this wires , eh ? We need a wireless microphone .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know ? Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not a cat ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's the cat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's a dog .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mael .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a dog .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So but that's also kind of cat ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the dog doesn't have a tail ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's got a tail then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "B bo both predators .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I thought so . The dogs have a tail .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So do cats .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , thank you . Uh d did you uh work out cord ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you guessed cats without a tail . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think I will go without {disfmarker} without it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It'll still not extend , right ? It's not up to that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , there you go . So what favourite characteristics . Uh . Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun . A horse ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a horse .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This is why you're the designer . And I'm marketing . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes , yes this is {disfmarker} Yes definitely a horse . Yes . Oh very good . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I suppose it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah I think you can put that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . That's it . {vocalsound} A blue and black zebra {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Can {disfmarker} you can meet them in Africa , I think . Yes . Very good . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The very rare blue zebras . Yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I'll tell to get it off my {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ma Matthew ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh ? Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You got a lot of room here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can probably reach .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh y it's not for that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . So what should I draw ? Mm . He has already to do cat .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I took a dog . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . A mouse ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This looks likes a cat who has been driven over . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , the moustache .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} that's definitely a cat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah . And i Th They like to sleep , that's why you said you they are like this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's quite , you know {disfmarker} relaxed situation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes , okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} She has the small legs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Th thank you , Matthew .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Thank you , Matthew .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's a very big rat . Or a very small cat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Perfect . {vocalsound} Oh a rat , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , this is certain uh {disfmarker} some contribution to our project . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you , {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Your turn .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So . Let's see . Which animal has not been drawn yet . So you've all drawn land animals ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so why not draw an animal from the water .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A bird . Okay , in the water .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah I don't know what that is . It's a bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's a bit hard to guess . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Put it colours . Maybe it would help us .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The cat is going to eat the fish or the rat ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "With different pen widths .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm.$",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , it's a shark now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's a shark , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yes , why not ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's a baby shark , it looks to me ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know it's going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish , no ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now it's a swordfish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Why not . A swordfish .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You have some in {disfmarker} in Australia , right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Swordfish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've never seen one , no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh well . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I hope it still works . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Perfect . So I dunno if we need to spend time on that , actually {vocalsound} But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You should go for the next one it seems to me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "W Well , this uh this tool seemed to work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , exactly , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Let's continue to uh {disfmarker} to the real stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um our project uh finance uh thing . Uh when we are {disfmarker} and when w you are uh going to design w uh we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product uh will be about twenty five Euros , so when designing a project uh I also look at you uh Mael , keep in mind uh uh uh {disfmarker} People uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twenty four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "want to get the feeling this is a twenty five Euro project uh pr um product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Per remote control ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah ? Per project .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Okay . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "more interesting for our company {vocalsound} of course , p uh profit aim , about fifty million Euro . So we have to sell uh quite a lot of this uh {vocalsound} um things . Uh we will try to uh to get at a international market uh so um it will be I think mainly Europe and uh Northern America ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah , the sale man , four million .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "maybe some uh Asian countries . Um also important for you all is um the the product uh production cost must be maximal uh twelve uh twelve Euro and fifty cents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it's half of the selling price , if I am good in mathematics .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , of course . Uh um I mean we still have to uh to make a profit , huh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They have to sell at least four million to make a profit {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Of course .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You all have to be paid .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Excuse me ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah we have to make {disfmarker} we have to sell at least four million to make our own profit . Fifty mill",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh you're g very good in mathematics .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Four million .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So uh well I think w when we are working on the international market , uh in principle it has enough customers",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim , I think . So , that about finance . And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point , it has to be original , it has to be trendy , it has to be user friendly . Um , maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Of course it should have a on off button . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , well i it should have the the the the expected functionality uh of a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , s and it depends what application you are using it for .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You might need uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We wer we were thinking television . Uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We are targ targeting the television set . So ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you need to record the channels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You need to browse the {disfmarker} browse the channels in upward downward way ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes . Th th that's very handy I {disfmarker} I always miss it and {disfmarker} on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number , especially when you have a lot of channels .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh just before starting the detailed discussion , maybe we are the marketing guy ? Or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm marketing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Marketing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "th So you are the marketing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you are in the u use user interface uh design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So just {disfmarker} yeah I wanted to to be sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I I'm the the industrial designer",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because I I don't know you very well , actually , but yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm Matthew . You know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mael .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Matth s uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Happy to meet you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Anna .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Anna .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . It's very uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A and I'm Nanne .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um uh Matthew , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I thi think you know me ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh so yeah uh {disfmarker} Just uh on your web page but uh yeah not uh {disfmarker} not face to face .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah ? right yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So . Um {disfmarker} S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So mm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are there some other very important things to to do {disfmarker} well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "to specify in this first phase of of the project . So the browse function , as you m mentioned .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . Oth yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh , you'd need the usual ones , like the changing the volume , changing the the channel and then {disfmarker} you uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Today we have uh um teletext and all those things . Tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like what ? Like internet on the on T_V_ ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I_P_O_ or . Now we are looking for television things or I_P_ . For example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . But we can't really design for something that hasn't been invented yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Ah it's {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it's coming up , actually . The personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , well uh I I think {disfmarker} Uh w y you two should {disfmarker} should , I think , think this over uh w espec what , what functionality .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Actually , yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Let's {disfmarker} Let's take {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "w {vocalsound} Of course , and first before um designing the func well thinking about the functionalities , we need to know what are the user requirements .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um then if they need internet , then we would be able to to p to propose something with uh uh T_V_ over I_P_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm . Yeah . But {disfmarker} Ninety percent of the time , ninety nine percent of the time , people will be using the main functions , the volume , the different channels , so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm mm . Keep k keep in mind i it's a {disfmarker} it's a twenty five Euro unit , so uh uh the the very fancy stuff uh w we can leave that out , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So twenty five Euro you expect a quite , well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh in that case you can you always hook up with uh someone who is providing that and you know , {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you sell their product as well as your product with them , you know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So try and get T_V_ manufacturers to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but w w we want to design a new one . {vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , it's okay , yeah I understand . So we need some numbering buttons , some teletext things",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} Yeah , the main is browsing . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , but but but ab about the spec the buttons , the buttons uh that will be on it . I I think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh I would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , we are alread mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know now the basic {disfmarker} the basic things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "well just {disfmarker} just for the next meeting , um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "L",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "well , uh , you wor yes , work on a design , keep it general , I mean {disfmarker} so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um you will be working on {disfmarker} on technical function design , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh you {disfmarker} and you and uh uh uh well , think about requirements ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "eh ? Does it need internet , or or do do we stay at basic basic television uh interface .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Stam .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , uh I think we should now all go work uh uh at this",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh you will be informed via email and other kind of communication .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So next meeting will be in uh {disfmarker} in thirty minutes uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "K keep it in mind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "The whole meeting was focused on the target group and the functionality of the new remote control product. After Project Manager briefly reaffirmed the meeting procedure, Marketing, Industrial Designer, and User Interface each gave a presentation about trend-watching, working design, technical function respectively. Then, Project Manager started a group discussion about the demand for teletext and video, for which thick key design was accepted as a feasible solution. Then, the group discussed the target group based on the predetermined budget, and accepted universality as an important feature.",
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}
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"answer": "First of all, Project Manager launched a discussion about video over-demand, during which User Interface and Industrial Designer mentioned some fancy functions like downloading and streamlining. Then, Project Manager announced that according to the account manager, teletext could be included in the discussion, though its obsolescence incurred doubts over its usability and necessity. After that, Project Manager offered a choice question between television and further recording devices represented by DVDs, VCRs, and hard disk recorders. Finally, to cater for the younger people, User Interface devised big thick keys for RC in imitation of mobile phones, which received positive feedback from other team members.",
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"answer": "Project Manager first brought up teletext as a well-known feature of televisions, but then admitted that it was becoming obsolete due to the development of the internet, though it was still used. Under this circumstance, Project Manager put forward two options, one of which was to stop at the television phase, and the other was to go further to the phase of the recording device. Then he started to talk about target customers in the first place and laid teletext issues on the table.",
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"answer": "User Interface gained the inspiration of big thick keys for remote control from mobile phones, which were already skillfully used by the younger generation and thus made thick keys familiar to youngsters. Also, according to Marketing, compared with ordinary keys for RC, thick keys fitted in with the trend, especially among youngsters. Moreover, every team member agreed that with thick design, keys would look less cluttered and more spacious.",
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"answer": "When Projected Manager announced that the group should decide on the target group, Marketing thought that with a tight budget, the functionality of the product would be greatly restricted. Hence, only a low market could be reached. However, after a brief discussion about LCR screen, Project Manager brought back the idea of universal remote control, and the group reached a consensus on the feasibility of designing a basic universal remote control at a low cost.",
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"answer": "Marketing thought that remote control should be targeted at a low market. First, considering the tight budget, Marketing described the product as a cheap-end remote control, which would hardly gain the advantage over competitors in functionality. By saying that she implied that a high-end RC for a high market should be equipped with sophisticated functions, which were not possessed by a low-cost one anyway. Therefore, only a low market may want to buy it.",
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"answer": "When Marketing first touched on the idea of a universal remote, she quickly rebutted herself, arguing that a high-end product was not achievable with a tight budget. However, Project Manager said that the group could make an attempt to provide a basic version of universal control, which could switch between stereo, VC, and TV. Thus, the group agreed to give universal remote a try and see if they could design a cheap one within budget.",
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{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I see all everybody's here , 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And we can start meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's the agenda for this meeting ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} I will uh present here agenda with with with with slides to you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um as you can see here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meeting",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you . I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but {vocalsound} then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Next .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So y you are the secretary also .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Then I hope you all have uh worked out {vocalsound} some some uh {vocalsound} some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Perfectly yeah yeah of course uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . W We will uh in a minute we will uh {vocalsound} start with them . Um , we will see in which order we will handle them of . Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work them out , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it . Uh Um about the functions",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Well in this meeting we should really {vocalsound} try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh the customers , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the customers , indeed yes . Think that's that's important matter .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's the big question yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} And then uh we will close this meeting uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch . Good . Um . Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I don't .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You don't have presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I wasn't . No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh you want a table to to uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control . Um . It's {disfmarker} probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it . Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls . Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Um . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television . Uh . Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have an a web page yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh . Uh about this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Yep , sure . Mm-hmm . So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control . Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour . Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um {vocalsound} and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes , I have {vocalsound} that too {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay too much time to learn . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um . And thirty {disfmarker} twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not enough {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how we'd go about combating that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . What do you mean there ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . They think that or do their doctor the doctor says ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's what the report says yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You can disconnect it there",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You can maybe just just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's {vocalsound} it okay it's a webpage on the C_ it's a file",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , s hang on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "O otherwise you yeah . You can connect this one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Then you can connect this one or this one yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All to your computer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh I need to muck around with this . It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you . It's just a web link .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the {disfmarker} hang on a minute .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Speech recognition in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "D do you have numbers o o on that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , I'll just get this up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that we don't {disfmarker} Do we not need any button on the remote control {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well potentially yeah , um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it would be all based on speech .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think even for interesti",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Interesting idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah I think that would not work so well . You wanna have both options .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my {disfmarker} well it's {disfmarker} we should be in range ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is . But the these are all quite fancy features",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for {vocalsound} for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it would be f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No you can't .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Well , {vocalsound} it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's it's going to be li",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "that that that that's mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of an isolated case",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you have some more important facts",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it's {disfmarker} but I don't know with twenty fi",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or can we go to the next presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you had to to to summarise maybe the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control , who would pay more for it , um . Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more , it goes down from there , seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five , thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five , um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay it's uh decline .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But we sh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Decline with age , mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which we'll be talking about later I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . We will talk about it later . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Did you get the email ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just follow that link .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I thi {vocalsound} You us",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It'll be in a different window , yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker} left {disfmarker} that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay perfect . .. .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So that's the figure that I was just talking about there , with the different demographics .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Another thing it's talking about there is the L_C_D_ screen but there's no figures apparently on that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay . {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm I okay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I stay {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now you can move I think yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , y y you can move , uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I can move as far as {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Maybe I take your chair ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . You can you can sa take my chair .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I okay {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a channel selection , a module {gap} , this and this function ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "go to the {gap} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer . And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um {vocalsound} is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control . Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction , how does it work , so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit , the chip , that can compose messages , usually uh through a um infrared bit",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages , alright . So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first {vocalsound} the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product . I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and um w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design . So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want {vocalsound} . Uh we want an on off button , it can be uh {disfmarker} it's simple but it's it's important , and also uh {gap} the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right . So the components I quickly draw here , is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's {disfmarker} my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver . This is {vocalsound} very quick uh design , uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um so what I have found and {vocalsound} after a lot of work actually I {vocalsound} I draw this I draw for you this uh schema",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You drew it a long time ago ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is huh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ninety one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "overwhelming {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And and why do you want these kind of component ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design , uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . It it it's more clear now I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but maybe yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no no no we we will uh {disfmarker} This is a preference but we can always change uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver , I mean can you can you get back to it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it . So we we must adapt to the to the receiver .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Of course yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We will use uh {vocalsound} infrared protocol uh using {vocalsound} yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting {vocalsound} the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Mm . Mm . Yes . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Okay . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The frequencies ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Of course yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But you should be careful ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "in the chip you have it yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "people are sometime becoming problem , like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other T_V_s {vocalsound} , so basically {gap} through all the things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That can control o other things . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we should think of {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Of course yeah we should take that into account",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's handy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if the b T_V_ in the next apartment's really loud , you can just turn it off .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "in the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T_V_ {vocalsound} and you can just walk away {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You don't have to be near the T_V_ at all {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I like that idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I I assume you were finished here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} So I can take I think mine now there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so voila .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm I can take mine it's okay , voila , mm so mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh . I {disfmarker} Uh , sorry ? I know where it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's on the desktop .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Technical function .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well . So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do , I think my last presented what is going inside ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it . So well the approach is that uh basically the idea is to send a message to the T_V_ set , as Mael has pointed , and it will be decoded by the T_V_ and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the T_V_ and uh {vocalsound} um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver . So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys , people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone , and it sends a message to the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option . And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but {vocalsound} tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh . Then there is uh {vocalsound} this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch {vocalsound} . And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market . And then {disfmarker} whi which is generally used by the people . And then {vocalsound} well personal preferences I would {disfmarker} uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the {disfmarker} we could have both the uh the f a T_V_ and the remote {disfmarker} video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T_V_ they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . How would that work ? So you've got say maybe a V_C_R_ and a T_V_ which are separate ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so you {disfmarker} on my one at home I've got a V_C_R_ remote which then changes the channel on the V_C_R_ and doesn't do anything on the T_V_ ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or does it know which one you want to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V_C_R_ option",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you could play it or {disfmarker} You can also think about having like um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In that case you want to browse faster , browse slow , you want to have those kind of functionalities {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm mm mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "These are kind of next generation {vocalsound} functionalities .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's the next generation thing ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it is going to come in couple of years .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think it's i i it's already there ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's goi",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T_V_ thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . That's fair enough . Mm . But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here . That's ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No no we are not making a universal remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we are just looking at uh giving a scenario , I have a T_V_ and tomorrow I am going to have set up box",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Because y",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mean , you can go {vocalsound} pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's good to keep in mind .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so that p ends my presentation .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Very well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well . So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand , video over-demand or what we call it as , it's presently {vocalsound} booming up actually",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies , you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies , and then you select those list .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "basically you go off , it downloads the movie , it gives for you",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And thi this is going to come .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or even you don't need to download it , it's streamed uh online uh yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , so u um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but it's it's getting used less and less .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's that's especially because of the internet of course .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we should think about it um . Do we include it , and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "further yes we must think , uh do we stay uh to to television only , the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh , or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So D_V_D_s and V_C_R_s ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh indeed indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And and and the hard disk recorders . Um , furthermore , uh , w we need really need to interest uh {vocalsound} y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and our our current customers are mainly forty plus",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh which well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fourteen",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} Forty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or for O okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older {disfmarker} older",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you'll al {vocalsound} always need to have the the future with younger people .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um therefore , {vocalsound} younger people like trendy {disfmarker} trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you press on the top , it takes one number , you press on the bottom it takes another number , and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Yes yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's the the the mm the new and the funky things ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "mo",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because they are already used to that , you know , product .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes it's recognisable {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones , not too many pretty remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And and they are skilled uh by using it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So for example uh {disfmarker} Well uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . .. .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , it works . Fine . So , for example you have uh presently uh keys like one , two , three like this , actually , and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like uh keys like that",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mael can you hand me over this uh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay . How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think fi five min",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Forty minutes ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and it's a very important issue .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so . {vocalsound} too sorry , so we basically don't change the uh original order of them",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but then the keys are more spacious ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "they don't look uh {disfmarker} so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "for you don't have too many keys",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Which I think is quite tricky .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Of course they have already one . So our our our remote control has to be better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But it's not going to have more functionality ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might {disfmarker} we'll be able to {vocalsound} beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I {disfmarker} well I think {vocalsound} many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . But why are they buying one in the first place ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} Indeed . So that will be about functionality {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote . I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can't , with the price range . We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What do {disfmarker} What do you think about {disfmarker} What componen",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh we can include it in our control some new new features .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And um {disfmarker} But yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} yeah . If we're getting into universal remote territory , we're getting to L_C_D_ screens and things like that",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which would drive the cost up a lot .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . I don't know whether that's necessary .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ye",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is the L_C_D_ screen {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For universal remotes {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think L_C_D_ is not necessary {disfmarker} well , th for long term .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If you {disfmarker} mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And quite complicated to use ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S so we can try to go in between ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Not as flexible maybe , yeah , but s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh R_C_",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Universal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T_V_s to use a remote control on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So they're {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "People {disfmarker} yes . Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yep . I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is . Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range , or are we kind of middle to bottom ? I don't know .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So d Do you agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker} Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh and it d uh {disfmarker} Our provin",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is {vocalsound} uh price of a chip is very cheap .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less {vocalsound} yeah a a kind of universal uh R_C_ yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , that's that's what we needed basically .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that's needed right now . And uh basically you can look to the standards of other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's needed , yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And if we want to get the market , we really need that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices , being able to switch between them , there may be stereo , V_C_R_ and T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actu",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Exactly . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And just be able to s use them all from the same remote , but not at the same time .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know , where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that okay for you ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So given we are going for this uh uh universal type uh m {vocalsound} maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Voila {vocalsound} . Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So anyone uh has a point to bring in",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . Well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or shall we {disfmarker} no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh I don't have anything right now . We can we'll we'll go",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's that's fine then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W yes ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "for the {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we uh we can have lunch now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um Then th th the next meeting will uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so we meet in {disfmarker} well {vocalsound} what are our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "after lunch you have uh we have uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting . But you will be informed via the computer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool . So see you later .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay {vocalsound} perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
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"answer": "The marketing recommended bringing some elements of fruit and vegetables, bright colors, some eye-catching and bold design, and a spongy feel into the product. Inspired from cell phones, the marketing also proposed a changeable cover which could be customized by the user. Besides, the marketing disapproved of having LCD screens and speech recognition because he didn't think it would be worth extra expense and effort.",
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"content": "Right first time this time . Nu There we go . It's not that complicated , but I get it wrong every time . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we are just waiting for Matthew {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "For Matthew , yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Uh {disfmarker} So I suggest we start the meeting uh without Matthew uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "he's uh obviously late for some reason . {vocalsound} Good . Um . Today uh we will uh talk about uh conceptual design . I hope uh you both did some uh some work uh concerning a uh conceptual design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um this will be the uh agenda for the meeting uh {gap} . Uh I will take some minutes uh again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um we will have the presentations of y of you different team members ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then try to come to decisions uh about the concepts uh you have presented . So and that uh will uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have some uh forty minutes uh to complete this uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um who has the fir do you ha Anna do you have your presentation ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have a presentation , I'm just making this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} yeah the {disfmarker} Matthew it is it's important that Matthew yeah is here",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Ah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it's really a a team uh project with a team",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "there is Matthew .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if someone is not here then we cannot {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but it's okay {vocalsound} it's good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay I'll just email you this file , my presentation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So . Good . Do {gap} presentation ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm I'm just emailing it to you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So did you manage uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I sent you the slides , you didn't see them ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes I see him , good yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay it should've gone through to you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay mm yes I have it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment . Um can I just put this on ? So we have to work out a way {disfmarker} what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it . Um . This is {disfmarker} to do this I will not remove my microphone . {vocalsound} We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time , the main results of that , and um some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and as part of this {disfmarker} The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really . The most important by far was the look and feel of it . It needs to be something that's very different from everything else out there . It needs to stand out {vocalsound} . It needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment . Most people find remote controls boring at the moment , we need to have something that looks interesting , that looks exciting , that will stand out . People will wanna buy it . Um {disfmarker} That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative {disfmarker} has to have something else , apart from just the look of it . People have to then think about it and say {gap} got something there that I want . That's a really cool feature , and it has to make them wanna buy it again . Third on the list , and again innovative was twice as important as this last um aspect , it has to be easy to use . So they have to be able to {disfmarker} be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um . Drawing on the fashion trends at the moment , uh fruit and vegetables um . This is basically talking about just the the feel of it , so probably not the smell of it , but the bright colours , um eye-catching , really bold designs , and a spongy feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um I had a talk to the design people about this , but having a remote that's tactile , that feels different , that would be really cool . That would make it stand out . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Spongy feel ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh about the feeling yeah uh yo",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing . Spongy is the current texture , but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all , so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something , that'll be something that sets it apart ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So as far as the design goes , the very most important aspect was the design , to the customers . So going with the fruit and vegetable idea , we've got the bright colours , so makes it stand out , the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours , part of the fruit and vegetables um . Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones , they've all got those {disfmarker} a lot of them have the changeable covers , so they can choose what colour the outside is . That's one way of looking at it um . Textured feel we just talked about . Maybe it's another way of doing that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture , a spongy one or a soft one or something like that . So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe {disfmarker} to fit in with their decor in their living room , or just what they like , their sports team or whatever .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's a very good idea , yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um and yeah , still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality , the way the mobile phones work , the way the keypad looks . Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment . They're big selling items . People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that , and we can start using some of their ideas . Um back to technological in in innovation , not quite as important , but still a big issue . Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost , uh that's one thing we could look at . There are other aspects like L_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't {disfmarker} I don't think , in my personal opinion , gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them . I think we're better doing something basic like this",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "which is very important and very {disfmarker} will be a really cool feature to put in . And {disfmarker} {gap} use . I had no real specific ideas for this , maybe we just , the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe , by themselves ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yes well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} and then th th the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep {vocalsound} and that's the presentation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Voila .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay good , that's very clear .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah very clear .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Um . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that ? I think you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we yes well we maybe {vocalsound} can decide later on um {vocalsound} the l the the look and feel of uh I've {disfmarker} it was a good idea maybe to to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To let the people choose , {gap} you mean ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes the the the there are changeable covers ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because {vocalsound} you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l line of uh of supplies",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we're selling so many units of this . This is gonna be a mass marketed product , we can afford to have two or three different designs at least .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah a range of uh yeah , a set of three , four different aspects .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure that fits the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes {gap} and of course it will be a we we get a {disfmarker} if it works we can get uh after-sales",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean that would {gap} would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three , five Euro {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's a very good idea um {disfmarker} And then uh maybe uh we can go a th Matthew's presentation because",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "s",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then we could discuss later like {disfmarker} we can put all ideas together .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Together indeed uh ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It should be easier with that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah I agree .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what you were already mentioning .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And your part is very related to mine",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so {vocalsound} I'll I'll go with that actually",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Okay so m so {vocalsound} then the the idea of uh having a remote is generally you have uh different keys and uh different structures , different forms , and uh they could be like buttons and um they could be of uh a varying sizes if you want to to uh basically emphasize a particular key more than the other , and uh maybe like you can have different colours for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button . So this this is the general trend to ha the method they do . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what I have found was that uh currently uh the {gap} they are mostly that the T_V_ , V_C_R_ , music system operated ones actually , and they are very specific to each other , but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the V_C_R_ and if you want to follow the uh g uh s some uh soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} There is also um a speech recognition to store channel information , names , like {disfmarker} You can basically {disfmarker} if you have a multiple functionality , say T_V_ , V_C_R_ or something I say it to the T_V_ and the {gap} T_V_ , and you can programme the keys if you want to , certain keys are even the channel information {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . I like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like B_B_C_ , rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad . That's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah so you you you can just uh because uh as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "even if you arrange it by {disfmarker} however you arrange it , you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm . Yeah I really like that idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So what functionalities do you suggest for that ? For facing this problem ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it it it's like it {gap} limited one . In the present market I saw it that says something like they are looking for {vocalsound} eighty word thing , eighty word ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which shouldn't be th that difficult to implement , like eighty to hundred word . Basically you want you don't want to store all the channels in the remote control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you want to st store your favourite channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe ten channels , yeah at the most .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah some ten twelve channel information . You know you don't want to st store all the hundred channel information into that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And uh basically uh it depends like the remote with L_C_D_ display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie , and uh uh you are {vocalsound} having a universal remote control and you want to uh you don't know really which functionality is {gap} now , so I am using the T_V_ so every time I use it , it could be like , for example I can use a simple toggle switch , and a display , so I press it so the display says , okay , I'm in T_V_ or D_V_D_ or whatever it is , instead of having three keys separately for four keys ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Oh yeah yeah yeah mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "to model the functionalities will increase actually ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and for you and you might want {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you don't want separate keys for all of them . You can't . And uh well there can be children friendly where you can programme your remote so that they they are not allowed uh to browse certain channels which you can block them , and you can operate them . So these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I personally would look at {vocalsound} things like having a u universal remote , is uh um is a good idea , like instead of having {gap} unusual ones for all of them you can think of having , um with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that uh they have uh integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm b",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and so if you say hello coffee machine , it say hi Joe , or something like that , you know , and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But a coffee machine , there's not too many words they'd be using with that it's a it's a small vocabulary .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah you you won't be using it , so it's a limited vocabulary mm thing , and very isolated word",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it's uh it is interesting , and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys , on the display for the browsing",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which is again {disfmarker} and maybe having something like a blinking thing , like uh it could indicate you're uh {disfmarker} it it could indicate what is cal like the uh whether uh you you have enough battery in your in your uh remote , the blinking .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "At the same time , if it's a dark room , it can be used to locate the remote also",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you want okay {disfmarker} for coming back to one point",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two thirty five supposed to finish .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "y you want to let the user to programming the keys ? Some of them ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you can let them to do that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh isn't that too difficult for the {disfmarker} we want w I don't know if we still want the um R_C_ to be easy to use ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's the {gap} compromise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "N no but the {disfmarker} if you give {disfmarker} it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like for example uh I would like to store in certain way , so if you want to give the full freedom to the user",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm . I think you can do it both ways .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it de",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can have it so it's easy {gap} they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A standard .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um yes but but I do {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "maybe you can {vocalsound} give a hand to us because I I'm not sure whether that that we can implement that for twelve Euro and fifty cents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry to have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Every time I have to come down on this price again",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "to {vocalsound} so this might be a little limiting for your creativity ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but it's it's it's the real {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have to consider it . S so {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "do we think these ideas {vocalsound} an and my uh sp speech recognition , I mean maybe it's possible for for twelve Euro but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the uh uh the the the furry uh {vocalsound} uh case of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm yeah like {vocalsound} I would say that for programming uh keys , you said , uh it could be uh easily uh done within the the package of twel twelve Euros ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but for the A_S_R_ system , uh I'm not sure if it's feasible to have this",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We well we can still look at {disfmarker} we can talk with the coffee unit",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and you can uh check how much how much they {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly yeah i if if it's a low vocabulary it's already implemented ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and w how much it's cost , maybe with a f cheap chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can come {vocalsound} we we can talk to them , and we can come with that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And also well you can think of having uh since you have a {disfmarker} you know something {gap} maybe if you added little bit of {gap} display , you might need the {disfmarker} to che keep checking the battery , so you really need a some {vocalsound} kind of indicator ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it could be a blinking option of L_E_D_ {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it could actually be used to detect also .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If it's in a dark room you can basically detect it also .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No actually {vocalsound} i if i it is like {disfmarker} you know it tells you um , it can be for two purposes ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "like if you have an L_C_D_ display and all those things it's not going to be the standard remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which is having uh which need just uh six six volt uh th sorry three volts um of D_C_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It may need more actually , so y you you may need to check your battery usage it {disfmarker} and then you need that , some functionality to indicate the battery limit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then if the battery limit is indicated , if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's true .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and it can change the colour depending on your uh {disfmarker} how much is the battery , well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know how if if I have time to talk about the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm yes um I would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You you have time some more ? Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes you can you can still . We have time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sure you can you know {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . So what I'm gonna present here is very uh um yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a R_C_ a remote control , and how is it manufactured h what is the process , just to explain you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the method is {disfmarker} ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like {gap} , and uh what cost {disfmarker} the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously , and I will uh show you my preferences uh uh at the end . So there are two uh different types of uh um {disfmarker} Two different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some uh transistors with an {gap} that aims at communicating uh uh the message and to to send the message to the um to the led that will uh transmit to the receiver . And uh yeah the other components and the circuit board {gap} buttons , infrared {vocalsound} , led , etcetera , for the components um . So you {gap} finding , just to say that the chip can detect uh when a key is pressed , and then it translate to the key , to a sequence , something like morse code , as you know , uh with a different sequence for each key ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and uh uh that's , with the components we will use , we will have different uh messages , different sequences , and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger um . So electronic parts are assembled onto uh printed boards uh because it's easier to mass produce and assemble . And uh so I think {vocalsound} for our design we want some b uh programmable uh you know V_ V_L_S_I_ or F_P_G_A_ uh high technology ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah mm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and this is important , and also we'll use uh yeah like in any uh high-tech uh devices a chip of fi fibreglass to {gap} them and connect them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So my personal design {vocalsound} we need to find a solution what um what is the material of the cover we want to use . If it's plastic",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or you said that yeah you had some ideas uh like fruit , veg or {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "m m maybe m maybe we can give the uh the uh the case a very uh uh normal a v very normal case but , with the changeable covers to fancy it up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in , for instance , a wooden case .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm just have a yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah like they do in with cars I think . Yeah inside the car",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just the veneer on it , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So they also emailed me that uh they have {vocalsound} available a bunch of different buttons , a scroll wheels , integrated push buttons s such as a {gap} computer mouse . And uh very cheap L_C_D_s , so liquid crystal displays ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I'm wondering , I think we might be able to integrate L_C_D_ into our R_C_ . And the final point okay is um we have {disfmarker} yeah there are some uh compromise to to do .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip , but the scroll wheel uh and that kind of higher high-tech stuff needs more money um which is a higher price range alright . And the display requires an advanced chip , which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip , but {vocalsound} I think uh with twelve Euros um and if it's uh uh made for mm four million uh items , then I think w we could be able to handle that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So to {vocalsound} to sum up um we need {vocalsound} yeah so I I just said that the components uh the list of components uh has to be uh yeah listed and um and um assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account . And uh for the designing of the cove uh uh cover layout then it's better to to to maybe see that with uh the the U_R_ exp U_R_I_ Expert",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that we can {disfmarker} it's really a team-working uh . So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I cannot design something without your agreement ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No of course .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "of course for example uh I wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the L_C_D_ display over there ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or if you want to store a programmes with a keys {disfmarker} What kind of things you'll need inside your thin inside {disfmarker} W wh what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's kind of um simple {gap} pro progra programmable device , and we have to insert .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W what {disfmarker} Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we could insert one that could underlie several functions",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the {gap} card .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly yeah , for customizing and yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah where they do all the wi with with them actually . How f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah good idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I f I think we we should come to some decisions now uh a about this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so I understand uh when we want a display we need a expensive chip , but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip , so can we use same chip , so with one expensive chip we can uh implement several complicated uh or advanced features .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly yeah that's a very good idea ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we could have uh one main chip uh that could handle , uh it's called F_P_G_A_ chip , that could handle both uh like scrolling wheels as well as uh L_C_D_",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget , uh maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip , so all features uh which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "D well {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that's feasible ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't know if it'll fit into our cost of twelve point five Euro you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} You th you think it's possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it possible to fit in to that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah also thinking , I think both uh {disfmarker} if we had a budget of twenty twenty uh Euros , it will be okay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh {disfmarker} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe we need specific costings then . Actually do maybe two designs and then cost them out and see which one is gonna fit in our budget better .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's an excellent idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "wh when you make a {vocalsound} a design ca you can {vocalsound} {disfmarker} next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That w that would be a very good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because right now I don't have {gap} price in in head",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but for next meeting I'm sure yeah be able to do that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Good good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's uh that's something which I wanted to ask you also , like what will be the each individually the cost of it . For example if f if you want to put wood {disfmarker} I wouldn't suggest for wood",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh {gap} 'cause it's {disfmarker} I think it's m much easier to use a plastic or a rubber {gap} rather than wood .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I agree on that . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It will be much ch much expensive th though it's the most natural thing , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes but I can I think uh I think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition , and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which which come with a with another price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah we we can give a preference to them , but it is {gap} but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is {disfmarker} it's much better with that rather than going for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do do you agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but i it's a detailed uh yeah yeah uh plastic versus uh wood ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we need maybe to centre our description on uh the the really the what buttons what uh functionality we want to offer to the user , and maybe with uh {vocalsound} graphs or I don't know uh {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "User Interface Designer you could maybe uh help us on that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ma I I think uh for next meeting we c {vocalsound} you two can present a real design . Uh so drawing it on the board .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yea",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Perfect yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then we now sh only have to t to decide the general function uh . So um {disfmarker} Let let's say next meeting w {vocalsound} you produce two designs , one one one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah sure . Yeah we will uh {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh furthermore we go for the for the uh basic plastic case",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which can be later uh fancied up with uh with addit uh additional uh , how do you call them , these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But that that that that can be done later .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah customized .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay {vocalsound} {gap} . We can give them smooth keys , you know . Smooth keys with bigger s uh {disfmarker} So that you know {disfmarker} The the problem most of the time we've seen , the keys is that it's small ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and every time we have to be very {disfmarker} but if i the {disfmarker} if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys , then you can merge them together",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So is there any of these that you're looking at particularly",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or is this just ideas ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh you can actually , for example , if you see , they are they are they are quite small over here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh {vocalsound} now you can , for example , as I was {gap} if you make them big , it may change the look of the thing also to the people .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At the same time , it is m more uh like it would be more interesting for people who are having this R_S_I_ and all {gap} problem .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes yes yes bi big keys is is good thing I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh big keys may better {gap} for them actually and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You see ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I agree yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and not too m too many keys of course yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "one I've had before , a r r remote control we have at home is one that's actually got a cover on the bottom",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so the bottom bit is just , covers half the keys most of the time , and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm w but then you have still have uh when you don't {gap} use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which you don't use . So maybe it's possible uh , I don't know whether you can can indicate this , that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are uh buttons you don't use that much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . Um yeah I've seen that before too . Anoth another like b",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it flips up and then you've got another layer of buttons underneath .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah so it's something like this , the model here",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "s {gap} you can put the keys {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I've seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's what you mean ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes I I th that's what I mean",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I mean something like like a book .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I like this one . I like the shape of this one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can we have {disfmarker} can we think about maybe having a a non-recta non non-rectangular one , so with not just the straight little box",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I like also this one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "that's a {disfmarker} maybe curved or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should {vocalsound} dec decide numbers or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm 'kay . Is this for the next meeting though ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We should make a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that {disfmarker} yeah next meeting we should be {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ju just make two designs ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that would depend upon us actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and the we we can decide decide between th those designs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that would be a good idea . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "anyone uh any questions for now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No no . I don't have .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No . So is this {disfmarker} is there anything else I need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um yes I come to that uh uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it would be interesting if you could look um for the cost inventories of other devices , if you're using speech recognition or something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes well m maybe uh , I don't know whether that's possible ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe you can start evaluating uh their work somehow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay well is this {vocalsound} me designing a way to evaluate it so {disfmarker} Thinking about how to set up test groups and things ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know whether that's possible uh in the given time",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but a as far as possible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So uh you two will be together w working on a o on two prototypes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and further instructions will be uh will be sent to you by uh by email .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two or three prototypes ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One for like cost and the one with like higher-end",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm {gap} and then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so that then we can be easily comparing them",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or you know find a compromise between both of them ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and find maybe a compromise .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah that's how it is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Perfect yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay let's call this to an end .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thanks guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we are done for now . {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "Firstly, Industrial Designer introduced both the cheap one and the other, the expensive prototype of remote control based on the previous discussion of its function. Both the devices had the special shape, like the surf-board. The first prototype was a pretty simple design with LCD display and a conventional layout of buttons. The second prototype was advanced in its speech recognition function and looked like a fashion mobile phone. Secondly, Marketing designed an evaluation test, focusing on its look and feel, innovation and ease of use and the team were asked to give one to seven points to each feature of the product to compare the two prototypes. Thirdly, the team calculated the cost of both the prototypes and found that the second one had exceeded the budget to a great extent. As a result they discussed and voted a lot to discard the advanced functions and eliminate the number of the push buttons, which made the budget under control.",
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"answer": "Both the devices had the special shape, like the surf-board. The first prototype was a pretty simple design with LCD display and an on-off button in red. It was easy to use and could only be used for the TV mode. After all, the team concluded that it was a standard design except for its special shape that made it look adorable. On the contrary, the second prototype was advanced in its speech recognition function and looked like a fashion mobile phone. It came with six key buttons and one orange one for the microphone. If the user would like a speech recognition and a lot of information on the channel could be displayed directly on LCD display. Also, the components for the two designs were low in weight and there was LED to indicate the battery usage, making it convenient to use. To conclude, Marketing fancied the second one's size and shape.",
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"answer": "Marketing recalled what the team had identified as being important to sell the product for both the devices and made a list of features from the marketing point of view. For both of the prototypes, Marketing asked the team to give one to seven points to each feature of the product and the lower the points the better the feature. For instance, look and feel, innovation and ease of use, were the three important components that Marketing wanted the team to discuss about. This might help with the conclusion whether the product was appealing to the correct demographic and incorporated the fashion trend into it.",
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"answer": "The team agreed that although the cover was movable, the case design was moderate. Also, the way the device could be held was not attractive and easy for all, since the left-handed people would choose to use it with the other hand, which made it really annoying. When it came to innovation, Industrial Designer believed basically there was no innovation in the first one compared to what existed in the market. However, the second design was extremely innovative as it had incorporated all the scrolling buttons and its automatic speech recognition function. Besides, the two products aimed at the target customers well, with the first standard one for the old group while the second one for those between twenty to forty five. Lastly, the team concluded that they had successfully answered the company's philosophy of having the fashion in electronics.",
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"answer": "The first design obviously met the requirements of the budget so the team focused on the second one to see whether the combination of the two designs could together form an innovative design but was under the budget at the same time. To cut costs, the Project Manager first suggested using normal chips only in exchange for the speech recognition function. The special color was left to the case and it was designed as curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well. Later, the team had argued a lot whether to eliminate the number of buttons or to discard LCD displays. However, if the number of buttons were to be eliminated, it would be far more complicated to use the device, since users must press one button several times to get to the channel. After a vote and discussion about the cost, the team decided to discard both the LCD display and the speech recognition functions since they were really expensive and the later one could not work without the existence of the former one.",
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{
"content": "Did you get my email with the slides ? Ah . Tricky .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I guess I have to change the pen otherwise . Will be completely different .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Dunno . Maybe they're supposed {disfmarker} the pen's supposed to go over the seats . Might be seat floor rather than person . Yeah , put it back .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And do you think {vocalsound} it's {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep {vocalsound} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Jo's making faces at me . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So . Matthew is uh late again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Probably an important man . Um . So well it is important for him to be here uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "He he he {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what can you {disfmarker} {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You did work together didn't you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we will {disfmarker} yeah , so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer . I think we can put on the {gap} here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Um yes",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , can we have a phone ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "can someone {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , maybe we should phone him . Um well {disfmarker} Um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's really w well designed {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm , object tracking . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "when he is not here we will just we just have to continue . Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And um well {vocalsound} first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign . There is no {vocalsound} uh no negotiation uh {vocalsound} possible in this matter . So we have to consider that . {vocalsound} Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so maybe Anna , you can have your presentation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we can't {disfmarker} no {disfmarker} we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay Matthew . Nice uh you are here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great . Great . Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T_V_ , maybe the web , and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf {vocalsound} when they see this stuff .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or browse .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And also it's not too far from um a mobile .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So people are used to that kind of shape ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right . Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eye .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah L_A_ L_A_ L_E_D_ ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "L_E_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the on-off button , in red .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Here would be the volume . On the on the left ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay , so {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "easy to turn on t and off . And um so this is a very cheap version so there are {disfmarker} maybe you can carry on uh Matthew .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Also {vocalsound} so you have uh uh browsing the channels , actually",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so you can go up and down the channels ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh , if you have a video or something you can forward , back .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh {gap} no no no , this is a single {disfmarker} this this is a model with just the T_V_ one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay yeah . Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no just sorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that . So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel . And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that . Actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's it's t a very basic remote then , it's only {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a very basic minimal thing",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which you can {disfmarker} which is which is also available in the market , actually that's what it {gap} {disfmarker} that it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and would cost us to build it about eight Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Seven , eight , ei eight Euros .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exce except for the for the special shape , the surfing board , it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this one model",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can I see ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker} yeah . Sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thanks . Okay I like the volume control , that's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Th {vocalsound} this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know like {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future , it can come .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it doesn't actually have buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So that uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} then what we look t",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Did you wanna see ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah no you can carry on ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is a model ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I just look how it feels all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah actually , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I really want to talk to it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It won't talk back . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So but but continue with your uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh so well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then the this is the {vocalsound} a more a little uh smooth",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and it gives a lot of functionality , uh in this way , so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys , but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so they have more space actually",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh {gap} uh infrared eye , and then you have a power button , which l volume , what you have ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Play , pause .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , here",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "From D_V_D_ player to television or something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly yeah . To audio and to video on demand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I really can change it ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Instead of having many switches , y {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L_C_D_ yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The L_C_D_ can display what is that on that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This is the orange button , the {vocalsound} microphone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or in the button th here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "An yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And here is a small L_E_D_ which is like blinking one ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "okay . And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} when you need you can use it , and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this cover",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Crazy dis designer ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Design enter {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed , will it also uh cover up the L_C_D_ screen ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's basically to do that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But but the L_C_D_ screen I mean is a very uh well an eye-attracting feature",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "which shouldn't be shouldn't be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually when you are watching the T_V_ , {vocalsound} when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is getting displayed here ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh actually {disfmarker} well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That th that's true .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know , uh you want to uh {disfmarker} and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually . Gives a protection",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because when it falls down or something it it is it is is is it gives a protec",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yes . Yes , more robust .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's more robust that way . Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you have very good chances {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's low weight . You have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the the cost is actually a bit more , it's uh {vocalsound} it's it's sixteen Francs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} Sixteen Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sixteen Euros sorry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it's well outside the budget then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then it's out of budget .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But w",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the the main point we we talk about that with our uh manufacturer . And they say basically that the S_R_ system would be uh something like three Francs per item {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Three Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "three Euros sorry . And um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's on top of the sixteen , or is it part of that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No no no , part of that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Part of that {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm 'kay . Hmm . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well uh if you {disfmarker} we can have {disfmarker} if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think th th yeah we should {vocalsound} stick with uh a number of keys",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because if we add too much then",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's too {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it it should not be cluttering up everything .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's this one on the side ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah that's for the {disfmarker} it's kind of a L_E_D_ for indicating your battery",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Locati . Location .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and as well as it's like a blinking one",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you can keep it aside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like the shape of them , I do like the the size and the the shape .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well well {disfmarker} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay . And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just do it quickly if if we al already {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} These are the things we identified as being important . Um {gap} the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic . And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well . So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess . Not sure how this is gonna come out . So the first one was really {vocalsound} very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then {disfmarker} I mean w w w you must just see it {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we can still spend this four and a half Euro",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so we just have to offer as much as as {disfmarker} well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Functionality .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so look and feel , innovation {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And now it {gap} easy to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Easy to use .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} target .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . And trends . Oh , you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these ? Is that part of both of them or ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um well w w we can still discuss that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So um , and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options because they are too expensive ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but um I've received uh a framework which we can do this . I mean did you have this this Excel sheet ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No okay , this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we can start with this , uh , calling this one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yep . So it's the pink .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Th th this is the first design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the other one's green . Okay , so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "look and feel ? Where um one is {vocalsound} I've broken the pen again . S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh there is another pen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Get that one . Um w {vocalsound} one's bad and seven's the best . Sorry , one's true and seven's false . One's the best .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So on a scale of one to seven ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Okay . So . Look and feel . Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , yeah . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But that's just half , we should also consider look ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then i it looks quite conventional .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Don't you agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe two . Hmm . Hmm . Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} It's my opinion , but I don't know what what",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I will give it maybe {disfmarker} we have anyways {disfmarker} the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know . It {disfmarker} though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Four maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Four ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Four , four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now we th th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "then we settle on four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I will gi yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Can you maybe fix the other {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you press like this not like this {gap} then you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No that's the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "ink's dried .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "C can you get the batteries ? No no the battery has fallen down ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Battery's low , isn't it the ink ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The b that's the that that one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} battery there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No no it's not that , it's how to close a battery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? Now it should be {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . No I think it's lost a battery .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm , try it , just try it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No it's {disfmarker} It would still write",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh it will not",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "ri mm , mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is there another battery there ? Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You got a second ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Try a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well we won't be able to tell .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it it has a {disfmarker} mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Perfect .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that working ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did it come out ? Good . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good . Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working , it's just a normal whiteboard marker",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So then then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the other one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's slightly better , um ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's hard to tell from just the plasticine ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "When we want to include {disfmarker} I I I'm doubting about this this component .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It it it it breaks in your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No actually this is this is not going to protrude actually ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it it's n i it is jus",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not a button it's a led , it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a led actually which which 'll be covering in a curve {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ac actually yeah it should be embedded .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yes I see , mm okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} will be embedded there",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Oh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it won't be really you know protruding or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you can push push it again , you can push it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "maybe it won't work so well .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No you {disfmarker} it it not protruding actually , it will go in better into that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well r r",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd say two or three for that one , personally .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Probably more towards three than two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the look is better",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the feel is is is worse . So so {vocalsound} I would also say this is four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But w w do you {disfmarker} what do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's fine I think . My {disfmarker} just that um the feel is that um you {disfmarker} right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this , now it's embedded one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is how embedded one will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , it basically is the same shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . It's a bas basically the same thing actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You will be {disfmarker} Except that in this c",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the L_C_D_ makes it better . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} you might have a slight thing for to forward and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , okay . Yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I will say two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , okay {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would say two , three .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , consensus ? Two or three ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Two's good",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} looking like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , 'kay . Innovation . The first one , not really muc",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No but except for the design of the surf {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . The surf uh design {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} What features are we actually including ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You should be rea {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh no",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There's nothing like that ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's more of the feel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all , it's just a straight-out remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The only innova innovation is the shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Say about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S so that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So there's no {disfmarker} this uh look and feel thing , though that's not a technological innovation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You're right {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I'd be up for seven for innovation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And the {disfmarker} And the second one is really uh state of the art , uh in terms of innovation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um with many more functionalities , and can open and close the the bottom part .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it gives it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes . A and the L_C_D_ screen is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's that's that's well it's quite innovative .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh could put it at one or two I would say . Personally .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Mm . Mm . Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So what is it , what are the innovations with this ? Got the L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} Yeah automatic speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that in this one though ? Is this {disfmarker} 'cause this is the {disfmarker} Th th there were different options we discussed then ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , we ha",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We just diske discuss it as you designed it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and then we will will try to get it in the budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So the cost for these were {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "what was the cost for the first one ? Eight Euros ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eight .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Eight . Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , eight Euros yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And this one was sixteen Euros .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sixteen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sixteen Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So . Innovation for this one is two ? One ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a two , I would say two {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W W un to be one what would do we nee actually , yeah , I don't see {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Why it is one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay , one would would be without buttons , {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A man {disfmarker} w w",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Well",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the speech recognition is a very good innovation I believe it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bu",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So maybe we can put one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This this is it w with the speech recognition ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's using speech recognition , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Gi given that {vocalsound} that it works ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Give it a one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} then it's I think one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ease of use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the first one is really standard ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "He is used to it act",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They are used to it actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So that's maybe a a two for ease of use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Here there may {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um , the other one is quite easy , tho though .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually . It shouldn't be diffi",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So maybe a three or a four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , actually in fact I think it will be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One me um we hope {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {vocalsound} y",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And there is a {disfmarker} like I would say three . Or maybe four {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Consensus ? Three or four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well we have reduced the keys actually you see .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three , I would . Three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Three ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Three is fine with me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "actually the user has to put some effort to do {disfmarker} use that actually ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's not so easy , like this one the normal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yes but then when when he is used to it , i i it is quite easy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is quite easy yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So so I think th three is good . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Initially there there is a lot of effort , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So three's",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What's the next ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh how well it goes to the target demographic . So we're d we're still thinking twenty to forty year olds ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Twe twenty to forty , yes that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This one would be uh for grandmothers {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no , this would I",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would I would give this model to the old people actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , grandmothers , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So sh completely changed our demographic there ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's not part of the the funky young thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well exce except for the surfing shape . I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's true . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being {disfmarker} applying to the the demographic",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah . That's {disfmarker} it's still {disfmarker} Ye",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm w w w we {disfmarker} after this we can can consider uh for instance , making this more attractive to to the demographic",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . 'Cause we have got room , we've got some budget there to add a few things to it ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that's right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But as it is now , I w would say mm , six , something .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah , {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because it's so important {disfmarker} it's i it was written that it really so important , the um the the look and uh taking care of its {disfmarker} it targets , the right range of people ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh yeah but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap , actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But it's going to be cheap whatever though ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But w",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it was set with i we've got a set price .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And people can still decide to use the cheaper one",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "instead of a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But for us it's {vocalsound} yeah {vocalsound} we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , yeah , indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ju just think , twenty five Euros , I mean it's not going to be cheaper .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So in that case well it's fine then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We can {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and the demokraphi demographic of the second one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the demographics of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's got the got the the toys in it , it's got the L_C_D_ screen",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah tha tha tha tha tha that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's better ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because of the L_C_D_ screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "on the {gap} and on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And if you want to target {disfmarker} yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this , I think for this audience we need absolutely the L_C_D_ screen .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So , the L_C_D_ screen uh attracts ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think especially if we're gonna n have an L_C_D_ screen on a low range product then that's good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because it {disfmarker} Mm , ma maybe that's something to consider , yes {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so . Wh what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd probably go with three again for that one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think it's uh {disfmarker} it has more market actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or even {disfmarker} Even one and two . Or two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No s say t two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y yeah , you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So , two , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Two ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Two yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah two yeah . Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add {vocalsound} lot of sophistication on that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep . And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "for the people to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and that makes it more appealing , it's more of a a new fun toy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have to practically test it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The field test will tell you how good . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , the final point , trends .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And following the trends .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The trends .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So as it is , not really doing either of them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Spongy , uh , that means that it goes in in the water . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I know some {disfmarker} have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and {disfmarker} not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's got just a one bit on it",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and so you can {disfmarker} that feels kinda spongy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But this one includes this feature , right ? Spongy buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it's sort of , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We we we we we yeah , it's the way they are going to be , actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Uh",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the maybe in the colour we can make it uh fruit and and veggie .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But that's if you're using the covers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And the then we can al",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or is it just one {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yes . We can {disfmarker} we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover for s such a phone ? I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you got the option of having different colours or different textures .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is possible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I th I th I think {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh y are you sure ? Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "O o or just two things which can be put on each other .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah exactly like Nokia phones {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes , exactly like it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so Maybe we can {vocalsound} but we have to decide it , we can put the the {vocalsound} the fancy f look of vegetables for instance , to to these covers",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and s now try to invest in the in in the features .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the {disfmarker} if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out , you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm mm mm mm mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'Cause sometimes look at this computer , th this laptop , it's all black ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh it's quite conventional , and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one , very standard one , that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then you have the option of having the different colours , different covers .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . So so so that that would make the trends equal ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so we we we really have {disfmarker} don't have ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . There's n yeah . 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um on the other one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , indeed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so a a point better for the for the number two {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So . Two and three , or one and two ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Say , say one and two . One and two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So le le let's see . So d",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "this one has spongy but buttons ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the blue one uh spongy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it says a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , I see , yes okay . Good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so the average of that is three six nine divided by five , so five {disfmarker} mm nine by five , one point s eight ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Just add it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Nine .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know . Three , six , seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One point six , one point {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One point eight yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This one , eleven thirteen nineteen twenty one , divided by five is four point two",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Four point {disfmarker} Uh four point two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . We {disfmarker} we must try to get them closer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's right , yeah that's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Both in i i",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "or we just have to choose . And adapt .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because , when we choose for this one we have to {vocalsound} we have to make it more attractive",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and w when we {gap} to d for this one we have to make it more cheap .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes , well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That'll basically take us down to the budget .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I'm {vocalsound} now {disfmarker} did y did you work with the same prices that I have here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm , tha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe we have to recap with this one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well yes , well uh re reconsider it . So {vocalsound} let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh what kind of energy source uh I I {disfmarker} we didn't speak about that . It's a {disfmarker} it's a normal battery , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it migh It {disfmarker} it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just {disfmarker} maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually . What do you say , Mael ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For this one it's a normal battery {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Just so one battery . 'Kay . Electronics . {gap} given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh sample speaker , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yes , or sample sensor , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sample , yeah , this one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , this one . Okay . Case ? Um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Curved . Double curved yeah right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I see {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Double curve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's gonna be more than just the biggest case , definitely .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So which one are we talking to ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Are you talking about this or that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Either of them .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes , we are talking about , but they have the same shape ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . They're both going to be not basic cases .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but , actually bu",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So th th this would be double curves ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Uh , plastic would be the material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The basic one , yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it zero Franc ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A special colour ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh special colour , now we leave it to the covers .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So now we're either going button or L_C_D_s , L_C_D_ display .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Push . Mm , yes , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "L_C_D_ is {gap} . It's okay . Just say L_C_D_ {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that price per unit , or for the whole thing ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah th now this is per per unit , this number of components .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it would need twelve buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we might need a scroll wheel , right , for that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No but for this one it's twelve Euro .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , for that one also .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There are twelve ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's a scroll .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "t Yes . Twelve I believe . So this comes to eighteen .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . And that's without any special button supplements .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , one scroll wheel you might need .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them . They're not just standard buttons .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I think {disfmarker} but th do you agree th that thi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wait a minute , it's not it's not double curved , it's single curved , right ? Because it's {disfmarker} there is no like {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I thought it would be curved on two {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well , that's what I thought .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes I'm I'm no I'm no I'm not sh sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's {gap} you know this curve like this so , it's w there is only is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You talking about concave curves ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah concave .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Both .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I think we can put um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You think a single curved ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} the single curved in the sixteen . That makes uh seventeen . And what are just {disfmarker} The bt buttons , we have twelve buttons , are you sure ? Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have more , we've got those {disfmarker} the scroll wheel on the side",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I had a bad uh bad estimation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Bad estimate ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The sc",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W {vocalsound} d {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we have {disfmarker} we haven't talk about a {gap} , but that's no a {gap} is very exp inexpensive I believe",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but it is not in the list .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we , or is it some other thing that's not on there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes , a kind of scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this is even more than the um than the cost you gave , the sixteen Euros .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so based on that , yeah , um where is the es okay sample speaker {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That is the sample sensor and sample speaker .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But still , yeah it {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We just need that actually . We need one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip , but then we can't have the the speech recognition , yes ? Yes ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No we cannot , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So so w when we w a",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "this would this would be cutting the speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the um {disfmarker} Yeah but if you have the {disfmarker} near the L_C_D_ you can um {vocalsound} choose {disfmarker} select between um you know like uni universal between audio , T_V_ and V_C_R_ , and this needs a needs a advanced chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Transti",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right , Matthew ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} i it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or regular chip ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it's going to be {disfmarker} y y",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think yeah regular , today we you can do that with regular chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah it's th with the regular chip , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Say {gap} say it's regular , regular chip ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we still on fifteen ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . And what about the number of buttons buttons uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} my Matthew ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes but that {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} Well we can just say",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "When you look at this w , this u uh item , {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ca l we are just {disfmarker} when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So is it possible ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That'll be {disfmarker} then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really {vocalsound} really low ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "he he he I I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} the L_C_D_ display is is three Francs , sorry three Euros , by itself .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh we don't want to to change that right ? We we really want a L_C_D_",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's evident .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So twelve Euro fifty , we got two off of the battery ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I dunno {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we can't do anything about that , so ten fifty , if we want an L_C_D_ dispra display , that's seven fifty um , so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons . And the chip .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry the chip's up there already .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} A",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So wha what what each of us think about the {disfmarker} because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um {disfmarker} Do you think it's important ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or we could even replace them by buttons actually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons , or {disfmarker} and you'll have L_C_D_ display which is {disfmarker} that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah . I think , unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L_C_D_ display .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we can get rid of it",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's true yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then add a couple of buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But uh , do we want that ? On the market point of view , yeah . What do you think uh , L_C_D_ is a major feature , or ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For the price , it's gonna be what we can afford , and it's looking like we can't afford the L_C_D_ display , there's no way we can get it in there . {vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {gap} think we have to come to a decision now , just I I think we we what we just do i is vote about the uh the L_C_D_ uh display",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You assume , you want a democratic voyt vote ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "right ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes . {vocalsound} One man one vote .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} S so who thinks the the L_C_D_ disply display should be i should be in it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening . I can't see it fitting in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We need to be . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Bu y you're a power voter {disfmarker} uh veto anyway as Project Manager .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , I know , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} well we have to make a decision now , that's it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So uh uh having an L_C_D_ s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons . Is that acceptable ? Ca can I have {disfmarker} can the functions be implement in an {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You've {disfmarker} you you agree .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W I I I just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So hav hav having seven buttons , instead of twelve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here . Here one , at the middle , and at the bottom .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . I think then we we're really losing ease of use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That will create another problem . For the people to use it . It's not going to be easy . Doing that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I think we should we should cut the L_C_D_ screen . That that's that's my opinion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , it's okay , you uh cut the L_C_D_ screen",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and introduce two more buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So L_C_D_'s out , is speech rec out now ? We've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The speech recognition is out . Because of the budget , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh where , L_C_ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay w we now we can just uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So are we basically back to the original one now , back to the first version ? Which turns out to be on budget exactly , pretty much . With these new costings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} just look at {disfmarker} forget that one and look at that one now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yes . I th I th I think w we just go for this one",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and that that now twelve Euros is the is is the price ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Well that's that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "My m my supervisor will be glad that it's fifty cents cheaper than he expected .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Actually yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that's all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , good . Then we {gap} the same . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That was it . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's it . Cool .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
IS1001a
|
Product
|
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{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"27"
]
],
"topic": "Group warming and introduction to the new remote control project"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"28",
"122"
]
],
"topic": "Drawings of favourite animals"
},
{
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"125",
"218"
]
],
"topic": "Specific designing requirements for the remote control"
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This meeting was primarily concerned with the design process and specific designing requirements of the remote control. Project Manager first introduced the goal of the new remote control project as to be original, trendy and user-friendly so as to bear an advantage over competitive products. Then three steps of the design process were respectively introduced and explained by Project Manager, and drawings of favourite animals then followed as an imagination-inspiring activity. According to Project Manager, the fifty-million-Euro financial objective of the project would be achieved at a production cost lower than 12.5 Euros and a twofold selling price. Competitiveness-endowing requirements for remote control design were then proposed and carefully discussed.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "Mutual greeting heralded the beginning of the meeting and the goal of the new remote control project was introduced by Project Manager to the conferees as to win over competitive products by being original, trendy and user-friendly. Then Project Manager continued with the introduction of the design process, which was divided into three main parts—functional design, conceptual design and desired design that respectively focused on the user-related technical functions, desirable user interface and different trends involved, and specific implementation and choice-detailing process of conceptual design.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion of group warming and the introduction to the new remote control project.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"0",
"27"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Project Manager recommended a drawing activity of conferees’ favourite animals with the aim of inspiring and contributing to the design process of the remote control.",
"query": "What did Project Manager recommend to do after introducing the design steps and why?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"29",
"120"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Given the customer demand and conferees personal experiences, several designing requirements were proposed during the discussion. The remote control was decided to be adaptable to multiple devices with few buttons, be able to be lighted in the dark and held in hand, and be both water-proof and shock-proof along with a whistle tracking system, based on which advantage over competitors might well be gained at the price of a rising production cost.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion of specific designing requirements of the new remote control.",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"125",
"209"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Considering the product originality, Project Manager believed that a water-proof remote control could be used in the bath conveniently while saving the customer’s need to purchase an extra plastic cover. Therefore, originality and competitiveness might be gained over competitive products.",
"query": "What did Project Manager’s think of the water-proof design when discussing the designing requirements of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"164",
"177"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Conferees agreed that the remote control could be sold with optional plastic protection and water-proof box for customers to choose.",
"query": "What did the conferees think of the solution to water-proof and shock-proof technical demands when discussing the designing requirements of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"178",
"189"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Industrial Designer first recommended adding a special beeping button on the TV set to remind users of where the remote controls were, but the plan was deemed impractical concerning TV sets that were not designed by them. Then Project Manager suggested whistle tracking and was approved by all the conferees as an original improvement.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer and Project Manager think of the remote tracking method when discussing the designing requirements of the new remote control?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"189",
"205"
]
]
}
] |
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"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} How do you wear this thing ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Mm mm mm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not too many cables and stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Original . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control . So I will first start with a warm welcome opening {vocalsound} stuff ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it . And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be {disfmarker} you will have to fulfil to complete this process . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Just one thing . Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe you could hurry up a bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's true . I have another meeting so if you could uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have another meeting soon ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you have to be quick .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for the lawnmower project .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points . First it will be the functional design . Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design . So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil . And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing {vocalsound} and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point . So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} What an original idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Orangutan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay {vocalsound} that's good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no n",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} n n {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can I give you the",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You should {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} no ? But I don't have to say anything . When I'm drawing the orangutan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh {vocalsound} I'll let you uh comment .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay it's an abstract drawing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's nice and original . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You should write y the name I think . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't have a red colour . Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You want to draw something Christine ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay uh sorry . You have to imagine a little bit {vocalsound} um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry too {vocalsound} uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes . I know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is this uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wha what is this strange beast ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is it beautiful ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it a monster ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you know ? It's a cat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's a cat ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Isn't it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I thought these things did not exist .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes yes",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Me {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is it {disfmarker} like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is it better ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay it's pretty . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay it's your cat . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's my cat .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Does have a name ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The name is Caramel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Caramel . Ah-ha .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Caramel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Olivier , do you want to {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And you {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think I'm too short for the cables . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I'm a bit short on cable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Next time I concentrate .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So what could I draw ? {vocalsound} Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow . {vocalsound} I don't know if it looks like a cow {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "He looks like a bong .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a what ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Sorry . No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Quite squarey .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Scary ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "He also . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact {vocalsound} I would say .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I think we will be finished this uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it for uh for putting a {disfmarker} for logos , no .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Let's move on . So {disfmarker} Here the uh financial objective of our project . That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I is there a matter for a new remote control ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have to discuss that point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "this is not defined at all ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah you you can suggest points like this . So what what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple . So what's {disfmarker} what are your ideas about that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe I can have the {disfmarker} your opinion from the marketing side ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Do you agree ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So maybe it should be for multiple devices . And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part . I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If we don't have so many buttons could be nice .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Few buttons . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And do you have it also to be {disfmarker} to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend {disfmarker} the trend in domain , what it shouldn't {disfmarker} it should look like , or things like that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "With rou okay . Like for {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Something like that , least fits in your hand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The basic requirement .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So . Fit in your hand , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Only a buck .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And also it have , i it may be {vocalsound} it may be important for the remote control to be uh {disfmarker} To , to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Waterproof . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Water-proof as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And I think we should have a device {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh {disfmarker} in your bath whereas the others can't .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe water-proof would be very original .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That could be uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "B it seems uh so , but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but , it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And , and that's one of the {disfmarker} that's one of the shock {disfmarker} I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , mayb B",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's people {gap} they actually do it themselves .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {gap} directly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I it will look a bulky in that case .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe we can sell uh all that together , so so plastic protection and uh and a waterproof box as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That might be good uh track to follow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like as an optional thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Optional or selled with it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And I I think we should have something , most of the time I I lose my remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We should have s uh special bu button on the T_V_ to make the remote control beeping .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can have uh {disfmarker} But we don't design the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Barks .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , barks , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Barks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we can uh have a whistle uh remote control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah whistle .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know , whistle-able ? {vocalsound} Th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Whistle tracking . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Whistle tracking yeah . Whistle tracking remote control . That's a good idea , that's very original and that's can uh improve .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's that's quite cool , but uh of course we {disfmarker} you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah d d uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So i it's just going to add t to the cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to {vocalsound} have an advantage over our competitors . I think this is a good advantage .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's cool . I think I like the idea , but I'm not sure about the what you ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We have to ask {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "who is giving {disfmarker} who's giving who's giving our budget . Who's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which is you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so try to find that for next meeting . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So next meeting is in thirty minutes or so uh . {vocalsound} Don't pani .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Don't panic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So so I will ask the Industrial Designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working {disfmarker} any working function we have discussed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So then I will ask the User Interf Interface Designer to to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons , the the fact that is lighted or not , things like that , and what would be convenient for the user .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And also um {vocalsound} I will ask the Market Expert to uh try to find out what are the absolute requirements , what is absolutely needed in a remote control uh for the user . So . And then uh I will uh just ask you to think about that and uh look at your mail because you will receive uh some good advice soon . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So . Thank you I think that's all for this point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thank you {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh , so we come back in five minutes ? Half an hour .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Anyway you will receive some messages . {vocalsound} Be careful . You eat it ? Does it move uh ? Okay , but I don't know if it uh is still correctly uh {disfmarker} We'll see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah . {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "As an extension to the previous discussion, this meeting basically dealt with the functional design of the remote control, for which User Interface, Marketing and Industrial Design respectively gave presentations on user requirement specification, subjects' main frustrations and expectations for remote controls and technical design. Subsequent to individual presentations, Project Manager then presented the new requirements from the management board, based on which the decisions on the needed functions of the remote control were made and the pre-arrangement of the next meeting was subsequently told.",
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}
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{
"answer": "Marketing mainly focused on users' frustrations and expectations for remote controls. Apart from the requirements for a fancier look, shock-resistance, and limited but usable buttons, other expectations were also raised by users, such as the need to be found, to easily use, to light in the dark, and the need of ergonomic design. Moreover, LCD and speech recognition also seemed important, especially for people between 15 and 25 who watched TV a lot. Last but not least, the previous plan for a generic remote control for everything failed due to the imbalance between the long developing time and the timely need to be on the market.",
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]
]
},
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"answer": "User Interface agreed with Marketing's proposal of more ergonomic design and mentioned that a strange position of using computers might well end in tendonitis and hurt one's wrist.",
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]
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{
"answer": "Considering the message from the management board, Project Manager emphasized the marketing competitiveness of remote controls over the costly and time-consuming need for making a generic remote control for everything. Therefore, the plan for a generic one was cancelled.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer first briefly described the components of the remote control, including a battery power supply, a user interface, an array of push buttons or a LCD, an electronic chip, an infrared component, and a UC as the central unit. Subsequent to the brief description, Industrial Designer pointed out the eight-month-long time problem for designing speech recognition, while the designing time for the standard one button was only one month. Moreover, Industrial Designer proposed the idea of configuring remote controls for the expert users and could better fit the market.",
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"answer": "User Interface proposed a paradox here. On the one hand, being simple and easy to use might be achieved at the price of losing individuality; on the other hand, being individual unavoidably meant that everybody must learn to use it first.",
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"answer": "Project Manager considered easy-to-use and easy-to-find as the two main frustrations in designing remote controls. But at the same time, such frustrations may pronounce a serious competitive advantage for the project without making too complex stuff or using too much time to develop.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay everyone's ready .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hello .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we are here for uh for uh functional design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay ? So we are here for the functional design meeting mm {vocalsound} so first I will show the agenda so we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so I will try to summarise it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so then uh each of you will uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification , technical function design and working design . Then I will uh present you some new project requirements I received from uh the management board . Then we will take uh the decision on on the remote control uh needed functions and then I will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting . Of the {disfmarker} of the process . So uh who want to start the the presentation of what they did ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F do you want to start ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Make a start yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can start .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cable , camera .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have uh PowerPoint ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should be in my {disfmarker} in their folder no ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah maybe there . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Who are you ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um at three I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ? {vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ouch . And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have a technical problem uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do we think w s in the {disfmarker} in the wrong folder maybe ? {vocalsound} It is possible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You put it on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It was somewhere in something like this . I don't remember the name actually must be something like messenger AMI or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you have in short cut ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Go up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Participant two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah go up .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Again . No . Go back .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh maybe messenger AMI . Messenger .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Over . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . There is nothing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There's no {disfmarker} We have a technical problem .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Let's go and check .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll go and check .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise , could you just describe by hand ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "With the the whiteboard ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If you remember yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh . Basically {vocalsound} what we want here is a remote control right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So um the question well first of all what to control . So {vocalsound} most people want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T_V_ and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} but other people want th also remotes for {vocalsound} controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and other people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so there's a project I think called X_ house or something like that that does that , uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff . So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "there is one {disfmarker} that is one thing . The other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever . Uh if you have the finder feature then you can also have",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh at the same time as {disfmarker} and general voice commands if you want yeah . {vocalsound} So I think it should be a package in that case .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts . {vocalsound} One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part . {vocalsound} Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices , a set of buttons for special navigation in space ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "a set of buttons for {vocalsound} linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean by linear access then ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a video tape goes forward , backwards , uh fast and stuff yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so special navigation , linear access , random access",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and there's a fourth one no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the better now for special navigation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . For special navigation for example you might have a T_V_ in the menu and you going to change yeah ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Then linear access",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "then random access .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah and also parameter changing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah parameter okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and {vocalsound} basically this is most of the {disfmarker} almost everybody has this stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay and and voice command did you uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Voice command w we could specify anything . We could assign any button {disfmarker} a command to any button , if we have enough processing power ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess so . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So that's uh that close your investigations ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah I think so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Not so far .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Um I dunno if you can open the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno if I can open it . Maybe you can s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh m is not here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh in {disfmarker} yeah okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Messenger no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . In document {gap} . Mm computer yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "In which folder ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Where did you put it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Here . Here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Short-cut to AMI shared folder ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's not {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you can send it to me by email . Just to participant one . At AMI .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah , I can do that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I will try to show it to everyone , that would be more comfortable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You send it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's participant one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh this is this email .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm designing the user interface . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . You can uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So maybe I can switch slides when you {disfmarker} whenever you ask ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that will be more convenient . So okay , functional requirements .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so you can {disfmarker} you can go . Okay so {vocalsound} in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and the subjects also filled a questionnaire",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay ? And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more {vocalsound} more nice , more kind . Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy . {vocalsound} Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "oh {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} it's not good . {vocalsound} So okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We can just keep doing that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it's not in theory {disfmarker} but I I can I can say yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot . So mm {vocalsound} we have to have a remote control uh very um {vocalsound} out for that . {vocalsound} Uh the buttons have {disfmarker} are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh {vocalsound} ten per cents of but of the buttons in the {disfmarker} in the remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So all the buttons we we have to put are {disfmarker} have to to have um a use a real use",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and not only or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so fewer buttons maybe would be good ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . F not many buttons , and uh and uh uh u useable buttons {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But what kind of remote controls did you look at ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What kind of task was it ? It was a T_V_ ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh {vocalsound} most for most is T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah but in fact we {disfmarker} it it seems that we are going to make a T_V_ remote control according to new requirements I received from the management",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "bo I will present them in the following .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh . Ah ! Good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay you can go so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So there are other frustrations expressed by users , so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to {vocalsound} to",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . To find it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to find it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um and um lot of the time they {disfmarker} it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So they want something s really very simple and uh easy to use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh remote controls are bad for",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What is her other side ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "R_S_I_ {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Other side yeah , yo wa your wrist",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It i can become painful you can have tendonditis .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I did not knew that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you also {gap} up on a computer in a strange position .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so you {disfmarker} we have to make it uh more ergonomic yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ergonomic . But uh {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Have to say ha ha . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's your job {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh sorry {vocalsound} got a message from Microsoft . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay um before that I I have some some {vocalsound} some thing {vocalsound} uh to say before um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We know that uh the user use uh a lot their um remote control um to to change channel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um and um to to change uh volume selection of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh and not uh a lot for setting {disfmarker} for setting the the channels and uh thing things like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's better to put uh uh uh something very easy to set and uh and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This function should be very uh accessible .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Very accessible yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay . This is the main function okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right . {vocalsound} So then we asked some questions to them",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and um we asked this question if they prefer an L_C_D_ screen or on their remultific function remotes control",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if they mm pay more for speech recognition in remote control",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and you can go {vocalsound} we have here the results of",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The first question .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "of the questions . So you know that um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} for the younger it's very important",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To have L_C_D_ and voice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to have the s yes and speech recognition . And uh and the others is not so important but uh we know that uh uh people between fifteen and twenty five are people who watch a lot T_V_ and uh who who wh can use a lot this uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we we can have a speech recognition in .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe this this is important .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Moreover th maybe those uh like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we have to take care of that point of view I think or so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay and if there is th the conclusion now . So as we say before , I think uh um a remote control lightening in the dark it's it's a good thing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh not to many mud buttons like we we said before ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "e easy to use uh a way to find it easily in the room and uh uh resistant to to shock and to to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} An I s no , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay these are the user requi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I dunno if you see something else important or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just thinking of some thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um {disfmarker} We want to have a {disfmarker} no , I don't know if this is a good idea . We want to have a a general remote control for everything .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No no no . We {disfmarker} w it seems that we no want to have a T_V_ remote control . From the management board I receive an email .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cos it would be costly uh and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it's not true I think . The the second claim that you put .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That it would be too long to develop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that should be the same .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Because I received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should uh focus on T_V_ more where it seems that the market is more important . So maybe it's a good decision . I dunno . What's your opinion ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I have uh I've no idea I mean I should know a bit more about how fast we can uh design it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Finish tonight .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But basically yeah maybe I can continue with my presentation , it would be al you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but I think we have some technical problem or so . So I'm just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If fact {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do I have {disfmarker} oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now I have enough cables .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like a {disfmarker} you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so I'm just going to describe {disfmarker} in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy . We just have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "sorry , I'm going {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are you okay ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like that . I'm just going to describe . Basically we have a a battery a power supply here . After that we just have um user interface . Let's say that um something like that , which could be um a L_C_D_ let's say or um an array of push button , something like that . Push button or a L_C_D_ . After that we we feed that into um uh an electronic chip . So I say U_C_ and I feed that to uh L_E_D_ which is uh infrared {disfmarker} um which is a an infrared um component . And so what we {disfmarker} for for myself this {disfmarker} for for us this is quite easy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "U_C_ is the central unit ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y it's a {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} this just a chip which does all the um numerical",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Computation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "numerical computation according to your display .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so for us uh this is quite easy . We just need to take {disfmarker} to define what we want to do when the user interface um wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the {disfmarker} not the {disfmarker} to the television .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So for us this is quite easy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so this is quite easy . There is not that much constraints .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Um we just have to define the processing power that we need uh especially if we want to do some uh speech recognition , in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} This will {disfmarker} think this will take more time to develop also .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah of course of course .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And um but for a standard one this is really easy . It's a question of one month and so on s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Soon .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To have a {disfmarker} you s you speak about with voi voice control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no no no ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Standard button one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I say {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} standard uh standard remote control takes maybe uh one month to to do that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So the only time problem is the sp voice recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Definitely .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ten years .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would say {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would say uh about eight months to have the first results .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so i it's a bit long yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I can {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "One month for the standard one with button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Even if we have a L_C_D_ display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah even . I mean that this is really standard devices now . Um eight . For uh speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay yeah . Okay so we can take this into account . So who think it would be good to go for uh like speech recognition ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we don't have time to market .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah it will .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And also {disfmarker} how much uh I think",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we should contact management .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "during the kickoff meeting you say that we we shouldn't {disfmarker} we shouldn't go up to twelve point five Euro per unit",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Euros . Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so how many units should we sell to have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well each unit is is sell uh twenty five Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but how many {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "How muc how much do you get {disfmarker} how much do you {disfmarker} if you buy one million units h no , one hundred thousand units .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Eh chips . We're gonna need chips right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . How much will it cost for one hundred thousand ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Usually this is less tha at two dollars per chip .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because we are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you have any idea for a powerful one that has uh good enough for do speech recognition .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It seems that that we want to sell like four million units from the first meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No it doesn't .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Four million . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Maybe we can uh we can look at the new requirement I receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um I just had a question uh do you want to continue with your presenta ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I I will continue .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well ask your question if you want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um you say that I don't remember by heart but thirty per cent",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "of the tested people say that's it's quite difficult to to to use the remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason ? To to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Would j Uh {vocalsound} yeah w I I think they they say that it's uh difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it , it's it's okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . It's not intuitive first .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want ? You say that I want , I have six button {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mh-hmm . A a lot of people are uh {disfmarker} if you have the L_C_D_ screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . But , but also it seems that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but it will be hard to configure I mean imagine i uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's really something for the expert user . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean there are markets and markets . I think the young people are th uh are uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Christine here said uh you have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} uh it is yeah . {vocalsound} So for our young people uh it will be cool , they can be able to use it . Th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it . I guess . I don't know if there is study about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple {vocalsound} than creating a simple product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And there are {disfmarker} another thing is that if we make something that's simple and easy to use that's bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "All right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise , if it's different then of course everybody has {disfmarker} somebody has to learn to use it first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But also we we see that that most people find it {disfmarker} find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we may just uh make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and maybe also um some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control . Losed lose it etcetera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "These {disfmarker} these are {disfmarker} these two points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to uh find when lost it will uh add uh a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So but le let us see first the new requirement . So we don't have to {disfmarker} so this this uh is uh is um in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we don't have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But teletext is just one button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but then you have to {disfmarker} you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You you just write the {disfmarker} write the numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So will you add with the channel keys , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So anyway we don't have to include this feature because it's it's not used any more by users ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "they prefer to s",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I am . I'm sure that uh it don't like but uh I don't see just one button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I dunno .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If i one button is still one more button . If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well anyway I have this point . We can discuss . Also um {disfmarker} so as as I told before uh it would be better if it's only for the T_V_ um because we want to be quick on on the market . And then also we have to make very uh uh clear that this uh this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate uh logo and and colours on the {disfmarker} on the design as well so that uh they identify it as one of our product . So this is the the key point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So before uh finishing we can uh define uh what would be the characteristic of the {disfmarker} o th of the control {disfmarker} of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Capital .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So do you um so so from from the the Marketing Expert I think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect , it should be very simple and most button are never used",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "only ten per cent of the button are are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point , no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well if it is going to be just a T_V_ remote control it is going to be very simple .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay . So yeah the key point here is simple . Maybe . {vocalsound} So few buttons , channel , volume control and what el what function do you see in addition to that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if it's going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control , there is no other function that I can see",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "really .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe switch T_V_ on and off {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can {disfmarker} revenue can come back to us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Volume , maybe a mute button , and then on off button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And that's all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of {disfmarker} a lot of zapping .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I know tha I discovered that when I did a quick look , uh they do now som they do something which is quite nice now ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a memory , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you have a button , you you press it , and this is uh the previous channel which has come back .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah this is cool . Maybe we can include that also . Previous previous channel button . So we have like channel button , the previous channel button , the volume button , plus a mute button , and uh just the the traditional on off button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh and of course the channel changing buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I I talk about that , yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How should they how should we implement that ? Because uh could be numerical only or could be also incremental .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Let's say that we can do something like that . This is uh incremental , but once you press it for a long time , you go five by five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We go faster ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To go fa to go faster .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . It's an interesting idea , that if you press it for a long time it does something else , in general . So if you you have your ten buttons for the {disfmarker} for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have {disfmarker} instead of having just one memory",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you have if you press them for a long time {disfmarker} No . Doesn't work {vocalsound} does it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should have also a digit button {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Change channel to eight .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno bec because if you have the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if it's useful like if if you want to change between three channels for example then you h you cannot {disfmarker} you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh . Yeah . Because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it's not uh it isn't worth it because the previous channel is eith either minus one or plus one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I think we need also digits .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Or we can do something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We can design the remote control to have access . You know some remote control have uh protection",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and so you you y",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hey I just thought this thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "there is a {disfmarker} I mean you know there is are some {gap} with a wheel like this . Instead of having the up down buttons for uh you can have the wheel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a kind of joystick .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe we can have a wheel for incremental .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So have a wheel for incremental , have the digits uh on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} and uh yeah I think this is the basi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "On the lower side I think it {disfmarker} you have to turn it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And do we {disfmarker} do we have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ? If we do that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or a {disfmarker} or a ball , yeah , not a a wheel but a ball , and you say uh to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , a wheel is better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I would say the wheel is better .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because of that {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What is the expert of uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The channels change one by one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well also we have to decide uh so it should be lightening in the dark I think because most people lost their remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'S quite {disfmarker} it's quite easy we do that w with back light on the {disfmarker} on the wheel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Even if i L_E_D_ uh or a if if it's the L_C_D_ feature uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A blue {disfmarker} a blue L_E_D_ and we sell that um .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "whatever , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and do we put an L_C_D_ display ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because it was important for young customers if you remember .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think it's only put on if cou have multi function . If you do not multi function then there is no p point in having L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just increase the cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The user does not have an advantage really .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So no L_C_D_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well if it's going to delay yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but uh {vocalsound} it will be cool . It would . Because a user could say C_N_N_ for example and it would go C_N_N_ . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That would be cool . But eight months is really long",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and {disfmarker} Maybe we can just uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Ten years {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So um I I will uh {disfmarker} I will {disfmarker} so I we will move to next meeting so in {disfmarker} after the lunch break uh here are the individual uh action uh you are required to do",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but you will be uh recalled to the actions by uh email I think but you can take notes if you {disfmarker} if you want but well the instruction will be sent . So thank you for uh your suggestion",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and I I will make a summary of that meeting that I will put in the shared folder you can't see {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh and then you will um you will be able to to see what has been uh has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided . Uh maybe for next meeting uh send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them uh altogether . That would be easier .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What is the folder that you put yours in ? And did it it did work ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it did not work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "She send it to me by email .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah . Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , I dunno it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe this is better , to send it by email . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay what is your email ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So yeah I I'm {disfmarker} it's in the first uh email so I'm participant one at AMI",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "At participant one . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh where is that , it's here . Participant one at AMI . {vocalsound} Okay . So see you after lunch break .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well during lunch break actually . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So next time we should have a fight .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How about uh {gap} management or something . Who happens to be your friend .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "The meeting focused on the cost and design implication of including the wheel, the best way to include the light, ensuring that buttons are well-placed, and choosing a fashionable fruit as the remote's design. Project Manager reiterated that several decisions, like not having an LCD, having a wheel, and including a lighting feature, have been made in the previous meeting. Then, Industrial Designer highlighted that the wheel was expensive, though, likely still within the budget. User Interface led some discussion about placing the buttons in a way that minimizes strain for the user. Finally, Marketing informed the group that fruits and vegetables were the upcoming fashion trend. The group decided that a banana would be a good option for the design and discussed how existing priorities could be adapted to a curved design.",
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}
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"answer": "Industrial Designer informed the team that the standard wheel is fifty times more expensive than a push button, so it might be hard to incorporate it into the design. Project Manager was insistent that the wheel is included, however. Then, the team discussed whether to include a motion activated light or continuous light.",
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"answer": "User Interface was concerned with voice activation and the light. The manufacturing division of the company already had a voice chip that they could adopt. User Interface thought that the light should be continuous since that would make the remote easier to find and that the cost of the motion sensor could be higher than expected.",
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"answer": "Marketing introduced market research that suggested the best remote design would be spongy and take the form of a fruit or vegetable. The initial contenders for the remote shape were banana, apple, and pear. Banana won because of its colour and easily identifiable shape.",
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"answer": "Marketing believed that the trend of fruits and vegetables that fashion watchers have detected in Milan and Paris is a good indication of what kind of style the remote should have. It could make for a fancy and technologically innovative device. Marketing thought that the pear would make a good shape because it's easy to hold and that the remote should be spongy.",
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"answer": "Project Manager supported spongy material because of its robust quality and wanted to prioritize the wheel since it differentiated their remote from competitors. Project Manager also thought that the banana would be a good choice since it will be easy to find.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we are here for the concept design meeting . So , we will first start by summarizing the mm {vocalsound} the previous meeting and the decision we've taken . Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours . We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest {disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} to be done before the next meeting . So , last time we decided to have a simple interface . We also decided to have a wheel to change channel {disfmarker} previous channel button . Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple . We have also button for volume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find , and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no L_C_D_ no voice features . So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer , the specification of the U_I_ by {disfmarker} or U_I_ {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Abdul al-Hasred is my name .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay . {vocalsound} And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert . So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . So this is the presentation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I_D_ you want ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm {disfmarker} um just this . On some web pages to find some documentation",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I think a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , you just have a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control . So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button . And um {vocalsound} yeah we can change directly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control . The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not {disfmarker} if if we could combine something with the push button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So will will will this with uh including all possible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip , be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I th {vocalsound} But I don't think that uh we should {disfmarker} We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Also have to say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Did you receive the email about the voice recognition ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um that's all {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You received something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . I haven't chec",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Says {disfmarker} Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions . But I guess it could be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And could it be adapted ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler like a command .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff , so if they already have it as uh as a chip",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "then we we could use it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on {disfmarker} according to those news .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I think it's yeah {disfmarker} Sorry , I haven't written my personal references . Um {vocalsound} the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if we could reduce that . We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the push button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I have a question about that actually {vocalsound} . Um , what is the purpose of the light ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just to to make something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can easily find the button in the dark or so ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} But in th in the dark uh {disfmarker} Yeah but is going to be always turned on , the light ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think , no ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But if you move it then you have it , you don't need to find it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can see the buttons better , of course .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . True .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Actually .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to {disfmarker} when you move it to detect your movement .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but you need another sensor for that , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Again .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} no it's too expensive . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't think that this is really expensive , but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm . Extra . Yeah , okay . Mm . Yeah , but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous light",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control , when you want to turn off your device {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it can be uh battery consuming , no ? To have the light always on ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , a little bit . A little bit .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well we will discuss that after maybe",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "the other presentations .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ". So uh my one , it uh should be in the shared folder .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . It was last time I saw it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} just move to the next slide . {vocalsound} So basically {vocalsound} want very simple , right ? That's the major idea , as simple as possible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I just look at some current designs uh on the web , of usually more complicated remote controls . And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple . And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . {vocalsound} So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And also does it uh fit well in hand ? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well this these uh these remotes are quite big , so go to the next page , so . We have all these buttons as you can see , but most of them , we just need the ones in the middle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , from the bottom or whatever is there , uh the uh the numbers and then the top , uh until the ten also , this middle part ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and on the left one is exactly the same . So it's basically more or less how we would like it , with a big volume control , big channel control , and mute and power , yeah ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "These are the basic thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's only the central part .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So basically , w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , if you have , for example {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It could be on the right side , for example .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have . And I think that the plastic cover is not very good uh idea because",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you open it , it can break , you ca you can do various things .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Will be down or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that they're separate a bit ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Uh and it's easy to press the other {disfmarker} the big buttons , but uh , it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either . Mm . Yeah , I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright , you won't {disfmarker} yeah . Usually what {disfmarker} I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with , like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That you want to protect a bit . And I think it's uh it's reasonable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , I don't think {disfmarker} Yeah , this is just the the wheel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We could use the {disfmarker} some wheels can be pushed down , could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe the wheel will be a {vocalsound} good advantage over our competitors .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple . So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's that aspect .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To s Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So we can move to the {disfmarker} Is there any question ? For designer of user interface ? {vocalsound} or we can move to the next part , maybe , and discuss afterwards ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I can go ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can I ? {vocalsound} So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um . So , the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel . And um the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And the third most important aspect is to to {disfmarker} is that the co remote control should be easy to use . So , are things we are we have uh speak about before .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And um {disfmarker} so you you can go {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "after . And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends , uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes , and furnitures . {vocalsound} So , maybe if our {vocalsound} remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "something like that , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I support an apple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And the mm the material is expected to be spongy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I don't know which material {vocalsound} can be spongy ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is good also for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , wou wou I think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it it would work , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it is good also f to have a spongy material , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can throw it to the television .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , because it's robust .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Me too .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's robust , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hey that's a cool one . We could say that if you throw it , you have a sensor , and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "When it d uh takes a shock .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Not good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "uh sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's okay . I know that they do that for alarm clock also .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "An and and uh this uh you can yeah you can say that . You ca uh you can go uh before",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Yeah . Before ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": ", before , yes . And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel , after is uh technological innovative , and after the easy to use .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . I think it's innovative to use the mm the wheel because I think no one else has .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's why {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Has it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think it's {disfmarker} it makes it both easy and both innos innovative .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Innovative . Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How do we make it look cool is the question .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool , fancy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe uh um {vocalsound} a colour that remember some fruit uh , things like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm . Oh , colour , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well the obvious thing is a banana , I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh {disfmarker} i i {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Maybe yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I thought about a a pear , for example . You know the pear , is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in hand",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and it's ergonomic as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A pear .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The banana is also ergonomic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Maybe pear yeah or something like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or a fruit like that . I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . We can discuss that uh . D D Is is there anything you want to add ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is there any fruit that is spongy ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't think so . I think we we can have like yeah a pear is good , fit well , or banana as you told .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And for maybe look and feel , what about a a piece of ice , with blue L_E_D_ inside ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But that's not in the trend . {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can make it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The trend is spongy , and vegetable fruits .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not hard , the metal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Plastic . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , I think we can keep the wheel because it's uh easy , it's innovative , even if the cost is a bit higher ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and we also have to find a , so , a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have . What kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your T_V_ with ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Odi",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Banana I think , it's a nice idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Banana is also yellow so you you can't lost your remote control then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You y you don't use the banana when the banana is curving like that ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Two of the button , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but when the banana is curving like that , with the wheel on the top and to control ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and here you have a a push button to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you don't have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's a good idea , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so you can just have uh just have this curve , yeah , and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you can have it on on two sides and it'll be cool ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then . Maybe we can keep the banana . And it will be very easy to find .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And everybody knows what is a banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You can put also vibrator inside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Basically .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you if you start with uh fancy fruits and fra s and tha",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha . You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's really uh really a good point .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} I hope the students of management die ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but anyway . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now who are recording this meeting ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} One second . So we have to take some decision on this aspect . So , uh so for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "sorry , for uh component , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have to think about those aspects , sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we will just use a a standard battery ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh the chip we {disfmarker} chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use . Uh what do you mean by case ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it's the box that should be spongy , banana's shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case , doesn't matter .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box , and that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The only th Yeah . Y Yeah that can be in inside th in the structure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Spongy also .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean if it's spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to {disfmarker} I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move , right ? So , it's going to be bend a lot .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no I think it's possible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if we try to push the buttons , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No the button would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You think it's possible ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "In fact it it should be something odd shaped , with a spongy cover .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": ". This is uh like the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay odd shape with spongy {disfmarker} cover . And standard battery okay , a chip imprint , there's no specific problem . So we agree to put the wheel {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Wheel on the top . Button , where do we want some buttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , usually hold {disfmarker} {vocalsound} 'Kay , we want it to be good also for the left-hand users , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it have to {disfmarker} it has to be symmetrical .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah but okay . Sa let's say that th o {vocalsound} It has to be {disfmarker} basically you can only take two sides , one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is uh yeah also the thumb .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Basically . Or you could use use this one , but I don't know if it's very comfortable , to use this one for the wheel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This for the wheel and then this for the buttons ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think it's okay for both right and left . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Should have the two sides .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So if {gap} the left , we have {disfmarker} the op",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think you can turn it this way also . You can do both with both hands .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wheel {disfmarker} Wheel buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it's okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around , the buttons are on the other side . So you cannot see them .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , you you will get used to it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And moreover , th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side , because you have light on buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be {disfmarker} Y Yeah I know , but uh if you hold with your left hand , and the wheel is here , and the buttons are here , then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No you you {disfmarker} I think you will use it only on the right or left hand , whether you are righty or lefty . I think for lefty it's okay . I can do this movement , and for righty as well . I think this doesn't change that much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Maybe . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , for interface we said also that we have uh this banana shape with button on the s on the side . And {disfmarker} and uh a wheel on the top .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So the colour is yellow . I think it's uh {disfmarker} we defined everything according to what we should {disfmarker} what the decision we should take , yeah . So maybe we can um we can uh work on those aspects uh until next meeting . So have the final uh look and feel design according to the decision . And have the the user interface design and uh then evaluate the prodyuc {disfmarker} the product . That is to say , uh check if it fit the the requirement uh given by the users , but according to uh your presentation it seems to be okay . It seems to be fancy , innovative , and easy to use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} to prepare the prototype I would suggest that the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer uh work together . That would uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "be better , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And uh {disfmarker} And so uh you will receive further instruction by emails , as usual .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes master .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "do you need to add anything ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You feel okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You feel uh free to express what you want to say ? You don't feel too constrained ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You don't feel free to answer this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe you can make {gap} uh {vocalsound} uh mm",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "See you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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[
"263",
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]
],
"topic": "Celebration for the success of the project and their teamwork"
}
] |
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{
"answer": "In the development of the project, this meeting was at the basis where a prototype of the product had been designed and it mainly focused on discussion about the cost and pricing of the product based on the material it used and the profit they wanted to obtain through this product. It turned out that the cost was very reasonable and the price was also very attractive. Then, the team evaluated the product by scoring according to criteria based on the user's requirements and marketing trends. The meeting went very well and every team member agreed with each other on the evaluation results, which was promising to lead a success in this project.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
[
{
"answer": "This was a product shaped like a banana, with a standard battery and a wheel. The materials to manufacture this product included a yellow banana shaped case and a rubber. All of these summed up to cost 10.7 Euros, which was within their budget. And they had a price gap of 12.5 Euros, so they set the price at 25 Euros, which was very reasonable and attractive.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about the cost and price of the remote control product.",
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[
"23",
"30"
],
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"240",
"263"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "User Interface mentioned the banana-shaped wireless phone that sold a hundred Euros and more, which was very high. Compared with this, the price of their product was very attractive for the customers which was just 25 Euros. Customers would be very willing to buy it.",
"query": "What did User Interface think of the price of this prototype when comparing it with the same-shaped phone?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"240",
"253"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "At the technological aspect, Industrial Designer thought the complexity of the phone was higher than the remote control, the price of these two cannot compare though they looked alike.",
"query": "What did Industrial Designer disagree with User Interface when discussing the price of the prototype compared with the phone?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"245",
"260"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Every team member evaluated the prototype, and the evaluation criteria were user-oriented and market-indicated, which meant the product needed to meet the following standard such as fancy appearance, innovative technology, easy using, fashion in trend, being highly visible in a room, and robust quality. The marketing set up seven points in each criterion and let the team members to score the product from one to seven. It turned out every criterion of this prototype scored high, the evaluation results were quite satisfying.",
"query": "Summarize the evaluation process on the prototype.",
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[
"34",
"239"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "For the technologically innovative part, the product was only added with a wheel and the rubber material. In terms of innovation, there still lacked some shining points. Therefore, everyone gave a lower grade compared to other aspects.",
"query": "Why did they give lower grades when discussing the technological aspect?",
"relevant_text_span": [
[
"115",
"142"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "Since this product didn't have much complex design, it was designed to be easy to use with a very simple structure. Hence, they all agreed that it was easy to use. As for the fancy part, the product was a banana shape, the fruit design was very up to date and fashionable. For the same reason that it resembled a banana, users would find it easily when they needed to use the remote control. What's more, it had lightning, making it more visible in daily life. The product was surrounded by rubber, enabling it under protection, so the robust feature can be ensured.",
"query": "Why did they agree with each other when discussing the 'easy to use', 'fashion', 'easy to find' and 'robust' features?",
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}
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{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Je croix que c'est dommage de le {disfmarker} it will be sad to destroy this prototype . It really looks like a banana .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It is a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It is a banana . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It is the essence of bananas . I would be confused with this thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How is everyone ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we are here for the detailed design meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "we will uh {disfmarker} I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting . Then uh I've {disfmarker} I will also take notes during this meeting and I will send you uh a summary then as usual . We will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make good work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And uh then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product . Then we will uh evaluate the product . And uh end with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits with {disfmarker} it fulf if it fulfil the requirement or not . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time , that is to say uh to have a standard battery , {vocalsound} to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "to be uh to feel spongy ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Like a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros . So which is uh good , because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So for the financial aspect it's okay , we can uh {disfmarker} we can continue with this product uh as if ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} and we are now going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Okay . So uh you can have my project in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . You have a presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah just a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Participant four , yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Four . Evaluation .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So you can go . We can go through .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to {vocalsound} the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings . So you can go through and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay so uh we have uh six points . We we talked about before .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we we want to have a product fancy look and feel , technologically innovative , easy to use , fashion , {vocalsound} easy to find in a room , and robust ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So I go through all the uh all the points here ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point , two point or seven point . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And after we ha we have an an average , and uh we see .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} okay ? {vocalsound} Uh so uh fancy look and feel , what do you think ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Maybe you can presen {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "F between o one and seven .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "okay . Maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hold it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So I think it's uh very uh very nice . What do you think ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I give it a {disfmarker} I give it a five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it's between one and seven ? Seven is the highest uh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Seven is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I will give a six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I will give a a five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And you ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you vote uh Christine ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} eh ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you also vote ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , I just want to see something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe we all have to agree on a common {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can {gap} very easily {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I think uh {gap} {vocalsound} and need to {gap} as well {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No problem . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Need to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "this is your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh I don't know if you {disfmarker} we ha we have to put uh one uh f If it's better or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "One is most {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , we can choose what we want .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's say that seven is the best .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe we can say s seven is the best mm {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So so do note the grade we have five , six for me ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "five . And what what's your choice ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How much would you give on the fancy aspect , on the fashionable aspect ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six {disfmarker} Uh s you can {disfmarker} how much what ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "How much would you {disfmarker} you don't answer to this uh questionnaire ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yes I mm I dunno mm , I think six , it's a good uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it will have five point five average .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Five point five average .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wa can {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , does it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So after , the technological aspect ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , techne technological aspect .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we we said uh we have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we have the wheel . We also have the rubber material ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "which make it uh like new also . I think I would give a five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's {gap} four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A four also , because , except for the wheel , we don't have so much innovation .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The rubber is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh a four . I I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "D are we including the voice {disfmarker} are you glu are we including the voice in the end or not ? Huh ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "what's your uh grade ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Four ? So we have four , four f and five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We can put four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , four . Four , yeah , let's put four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For twenty five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Everyone is okay or {disfmarker} four poin Four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Very easy to use . Do you think it's easy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think so . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I give a seven , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would give a {disfmarker} I would give a seven as well . It's very easy to use .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm , six for me also .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six point five . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "six point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six six six point five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Is it fashion ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "its its f its fruit fruit shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Seven ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say seven . And is very very nice design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's fashion , because it's a fruit ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can we can put a seven here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we say that the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , seven .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , seven .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Seven , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well , we hope .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Easy to find .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh easy to find in a room ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I lost my banana . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think you can't miss it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I think it's cool . I think we can put a six here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have the lightning , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we have {vocalsound} the {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The lighting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we don't sesh especially have the lightning",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So you'll make the material transparent",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so that it uh lights up completely , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's yellow . It's okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's very easy to {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Seven ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I would say seven . It's hard to miss it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Six . Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is it {disfmarker} is it robust ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's rubber , made of rubber ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh f yeah , it's ru it's rubber .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the only problem there might be {disfmarker} which {gap} know , i if it's very sensitive ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "they will ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it is uh {disfmarker} it is surrounded by rubber material .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we can put a six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Everybody is okay , six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Six or five . Five {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Six is okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six , yeah , for me .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S now {vocalsound} um so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Tadada . We have to sum up everything .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twenty .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thirteen uh , twenty , twenty six point five , uh seven , thirty two , thirty six {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Thirty . Thir",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's that's okay ? Six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Six is a good {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good . Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the be .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the top {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and when uh s six sit six are good {disfmarker} it's a good uh p product , I think .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so six is a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . So will become eight soon ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's a good evaluation , I think . It's very promising .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well it's a bit biased . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We have a good price and uh {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this prototype is quite nice . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Good .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because I saw uh some phones that were banana shaped , uh wireless phones not mobile ones , wireless for the house ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh quite big also ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and they were selling {gap} something like a hundred Euros , two hundred Euros .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just a {vocalsound} just a phone , wireless .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So having this at twenty five Euros is uh quite attractive , I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not {disfmarker} cannot compare .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's much more complex , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , I think , we can summarise . So we have seen the prototype . It's very nice according to the work of our two designer .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The the the financial aspect were okay . We we have the cost below uh our threshold and so we could sell at twenty five Euros and make i make profit . The the evaluation give satisfying result as well . So I think we can move to the last part of the meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So the cost is in the budget , the evaluation is okay , so I th I think we can now uh open champagne and make a huge party .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Start to eat banana . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if it's provided by uh by the meeting staff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so congratulation . {vocalsound} Nice product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Congratulations to the team . Uh very well , we worked together fantastically .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think it was a good collaboration uh . Aspect .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So what does the management say ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What does the management say ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we will have um much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "All it depends on who watch this meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We don't know . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "good guys {vocalsound} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so see you for next uh successful project . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah . Fruits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"answer": "The group had a heated discussion over the functional design and the market positioning of their new product. First, User Interface introduced the basic components of the remote control and the cost of them. When discussing the user interface design, the group agreed that the product should be good-looking and branded with their company logo. Industrial Designer thought they should keep the functions simple and basic and aimed at the exterior design. Then, the group talked much about the teletext and whether the controller should be only for TV. When it came to the market positioning, the opinion of User Interface differed from Marketing's - the former tended to keep it simple but the latter thought there should be something special about the product to make it exclusive.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
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{
"answer": "The basic components included power source, user interface, a programmable digital signal processor, on-off switch, encryption codes for the different modes of TVs, and memory system. Then User Interface presented the basic layout of how the remote would work. In terms of the cost, the most costly component was the chip and the casing would be expensive as well. LED, the transistors and everything else were pretty cheap. The price of the chip depended on what functionality the product would have and how much the battery capacity and storage would be. For the moment, they didn't have a ballpark figure.",
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"answer": "The group agreed that the product should be good-looking and branded with their company logo. Industrial Designer thought they should keep the functions simple and basic and aimed at the exterior design. As for the teletext, Project Manager had intended to remove it from their new product, but considering the popularity of teletext, they decided to keep it since it wouldn't affect the price anyway. Besides, the product was demanded to be only for TV, but Marketing thought they should design an all-in-one ultimate remote control which would be easier to sell.",
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"answer": "Marketing disapproved of this proposal because though teletext was becoming outdated as Project Manager said, more than eighty percent of the current televisions were still teletext and people were very comfortable with the idea of having and using teletext. Besides, Marketing couldn't understand why the advent of the Internet would eliminate the need for teletext. Even so, if they were to remove the teletext from the controller, they had to bring something very attractive to take the place of it.",
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"answer": "User Interface recommended to design a power cradle for the controller so that it would be unnecessary to change batteries. In this way, users would always know where the remote was because they had to put the device back to the cradle to charge it, which addressed the problem of losing it. This attempt would also do good to the look and feel of the remote control as a whole. The idea would be considered by the group, but they had to look into how much this might increase the cost.",
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{
"content": "So we are here to talk about functional design . Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from {vocalsound} {disfmarker} than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now . So here's an agenda . Uh I'll open . Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings , as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation . Uh the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} now {vocalsound} you can all give your presentations . We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions . {vocalsound} Right , forty minutes for this meeting , so a bit more time than the last one . Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments on them . Uh did you all receive that email ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So does anyone have any overall {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having {vocalsound} no teletext , people are very comfortable {vocalsound} with {vocalsound} the idea of having teletext and using teletext , and so we're not {disfmarker} we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction . What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there is the opportunity that's presented , I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Right . Yeah . No , I I agree with you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that {vocalsound} identifies our product as better than {disfmarker} because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's that's that was my reactions .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're quite fixed . So we're really probably , in terms of marketing , are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we not design the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any T_V_ that we {disfmarker} people use our remote with .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's kind of a stupid decision .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we take with you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement {disfmarker} wants it as {vocalsound} cheap as possible . Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took {disfmarker} they can't ac access their teletext .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Cause we're talking about {vocalsound} eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "K yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all . It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and we have to d {disfmarker} in my opinion we have to double up .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If we lose one we need to bring two or three .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay I think that the {vocalsound} last point is probably quite uh straightforward . Obviously the the {disfmarker} w it has to be branded . 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So then the double R_ will be our our {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "On the product yeah . Can you handle that black and yellow ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think one of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this {disfmarker} I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right . So I think our kind of {disfmarker} our target here is to {vocalsound} have some kind of very like sleek {vocalsound} nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know we don't wanna a big clunker . We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you have this ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nah . So we have three presentations , and I think we'll go in order of participant number here . So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two . That's {disfmarker} {gap} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's fine . Okay so",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm it's enough . But uh click it on off ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer . And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We need some kinda of power d power source . Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component . Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which {disfmarker} and it receives that signal . You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there . And uh we also need to um have the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s . So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well . Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work . You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor . So {vocalsound} those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now is {disfmarker} would this be {vocalsound} considered just a standard uh um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think any des",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're talking about existing technology .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this is just {disfmarker} this is just a basic layout of ev {vocalsound} of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote . We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that {vocalsound} I mean {vocalsound} that you can kinda say would {vocalsound} would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap . So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h {vocalsound} you know how much power .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I don't have any figures right now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um but {disfmarker} and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that , I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "N okay . Mm . Mm the shell ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Basically yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So yeah . That's all I have really .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thanks . And we have participant three , which I believe is Pedro .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I can give you that to click on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hey mouse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Open . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And you wanna get {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "When we're fighting over it's also more {disfmarker} lot more fun . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "View a slide show , that's what you wanna do , yeah ? Just go up to view .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Click , don't {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This doesn't work . {vocalsound} So yeah function design . Um you guys know me , Pedro , and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design . If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good . Um something cute and small . The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties . So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh {disfmarker} that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the {disfmarker} to the s to the television to , for instance , tune in their {disfmarker} the stations . There's no need to have that in the remote . So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but {vocalsound} um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good ergonomics . Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that , I guess , but um we should go for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But I t I think what the {vocalsound} the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it . So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include , it really should be in there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because otherwise we're just going to {disfmarker} I mean {vocalsound} even if it's necessary or not , if you {disfmarker} if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really {disfmarker} if it i {vocalsound} if it isn't more expensive for us to k make {disfmarker} because as far as I understand it , {vocalsound} it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right as far as {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "i it's just uh {vocalsound} the cost of an extra button . I mean software-wise there's really no difference .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Isn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I have maybe a silly question . I {disfmarker} in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the {disfmarker} it's gonna be out-moded teletext . I I don't understand how those two things are connected . How does how does computers and teletext {disfmarker} h how {disfmarker} why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example . So that might play on what we can do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that {vocalsound} you would use {disfmarker} you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Scheduling . Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and now {disfmarker} Yeah",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and now you can c look it over Internet . But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think I ha I agree .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause , yeah , I just {disfmarker} I don't see the cross-over between computers and television . I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but it's not happen yet . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but but but but with the {disfmarker} the remote is is used for television , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well for me {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well you have digital T_V_ still already .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote . S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Unless you have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well there there is a {disfmarker} for example on digital T_V_ systems you have {disfmarker} you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can {disfmarker} Yeah , and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live T_V_ and things like that . They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the T_V_ sort of under the covers , but you still use it through a teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality , potentially that we can handle .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that . That's the thing . And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways . You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote . I don't think .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . But still there there's an opportunity . If if it's {vocalsound} , for example , a trainable one then we're {vocalsound} just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I dunno . One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or , you know , make two separate interface designs .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that . Just you know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I don't I don't see the logic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext , I just I I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , and neither do I in fact .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I'm not a tech-mind either . I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bu uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} 'Cause we are designing something for a television , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that , although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway i if it doesn't affect the price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right it's just not",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We are selling it to an existing market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but we're not putting some {disfmarker} there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's the problem .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and and , yeah , and and we're also {vocalsound} marketing a product . It's {disfmarker} what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns . So if we drop {disfmarker} if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing . 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price . I need to make it special with a high price tag . I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I want I want to market it as exclusive . So I would market this product it {disfmarker} at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really {vocalsound} beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden {disfmarker} stan standard T_V_ so the place {disfmarker} uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant {vocalsound} high-priced basic remote . Does that make sense , huh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No I no I I understand what you say ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but what I'm what I'm , okay {disfmarker} we probably need to move along ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we probably should .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we're doing alright for time .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's just my question , but we can keep talking .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Sorry that kinda cut into you there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands . Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas . Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people {vocalsound} how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do {vocalsound} to use all these functions . Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna {disfmarker} you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_ . They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features . Is that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh {disfmarker} for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think {vocalsound} you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe five percent , you know ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and how much {disfmarker} Right . Yeah okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Be a good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm sorry .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh sorry , I didn't mean to cut in {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry boss {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm not the boss {vocalsound} . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You know sell uh {disfmarker} things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh {vocalsound} um voice-activated . I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think that's probably a question more for for this guy here , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Is that for over here ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well it's kinda both of us .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , alright .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Us us user interface .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of {vocalsound} how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it . So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I was thinking about that . Then your lights would go off , though . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh and and so so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But this 's just something . I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions . So we {disfmarker} everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their {vocalsound} their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only . And so to me we have to make this a really special product",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product . At this price I don't see it yet . I'm {disfmarker} I I go along with this , because this is what we're given to try to market , but I I don't see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But we th that should be design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That should be the design basically .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think technology we'd we {disfmarker} we're not in the price range to do it . We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Have to do {disfmarker} you have to do it in the box ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay well , so so that's up to you then to {vocalsound} to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe make it in the form of a gun . We can sell it in United States .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I have a question uh for you . Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think all these things are pretty standard . I think we'll be okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Kay . Cheers . Onto participant {vocalsound} four . {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} you know for marketing f {vocalsound} marketing for me is uh {disfmarker} and uh how do I go here ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm you can just click .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go go .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No no no",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that right ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you just get off that . You just click anywhere .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha . Yeah , what for me is it um {disfmarker} I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing . I just know that I I was identified as a a {disfmarker} we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers . And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's what we decided here . Um so what I did is I I decided that {vocalsound} that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself . So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design . We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is . So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily . So I say inspiration , so having something beauty , something attractive , uh something that in a sense will sell itself .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design . Uh cutting edge technology , I don't think we're gonna have that , these were ideas I was putting together , um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned . I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way , so maybe we can have some {disfmarker} I I talked about environmentally sensitive , uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home . I don't know . These are just thoughts . Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation , that we're new , we're aggressive , we're competitive , we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line . So to me it's about selling d uh our identity {disfmarker} our corporate identity along with the product . {vocalsound} Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market , but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for {disfmarker} I I identified new technology , but again , because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations , I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing . If if we could have a technological something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I have an idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm p please .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's kind of {vocalsound} along the s lines of environmentally sensitive , and it may even fit into ergonomics , and even kind of address the issue of losing losing the remote , what we were saying it's a common issue .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um what we can do is , well you know that batteries {disfmarker} throwing a aw remotes run through batteries like crazy . Right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Solar . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And {vocalsound} s for some people {disfmarker} Yeah {vocalsound} . {vocalsound} Well maybe not a solar remote but instead what about if we had like a power cradle ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But solar {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like a a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you're not using it , so you'll always know where the remote is 'cause you have to put it back there to charge the remote , and we can , instead of having instead of having , you know , replaceable batteries we'll just have a power cell that stays there for the life of the remote . You never have to get {disfmarker} go through the {disfmarker} go through {vocalsound} uh all these different batteries . And also you can {disfmarker} I I think it's a good opportunity for the user design {disfmarker} or for {disfmarker} not just for the user design , but also for the {disfmarker} just for the look and feel of the remote as as a whole . You know you could have some kind of neat little , you know , {vocalsound} a sexy design for d a cradle and the remote itself .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Blah , I like it . I like the idea , but we're talking about {disfmarker} in cost is gonna probably double .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It w it would increase the cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But boy , we can sell this thing , because there's no batteries , it's environmentally sensitive , i we can identify it as a safer product in some form .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you could page the remote if you lose it . Maybe there's a button on the cradle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep , that's right . I really see",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Now the the question is can we make this for less than twelve-fifty per ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But the cost i No no . No no , we have t we have to change the end cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we well do we necessarily have to change the end cost because uh {vocalsound} Can we dl can we do that without {vocalsound} uh changing it twelve-fifty per product , if we basically can sell more based on this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's uh {disfmarker} I mean I don't see it anyway . Yeah , that's gonna be up to these guys .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} my reaction is no , but",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} what I can do is I can d look into ho well Pedro and I can look into how much this might increase our our costs",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and you can look into what kind of effect an increased cost is gonna have on our on our final numbers .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we we can certainly push for a more expensive product if that's gonna be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , see I I {disfmarker} see I I'm an advocate to make this an exclusive product . You know , let's let's sell this wholesale for for fifty Euros , sixty Euros . Let's make this thing really exclusive , environmentally sensitive , uh high-tech design , uh ergonomics , all of this . Just make this thing uh , yeah , the the the Rolls Royce of of remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I {vocalsound} I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Every home's got to have it . If you don't have one , hey what kind of remote do you have ? Oh you've got one of those , oh fantastic , I want one of those too .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I just don't have enough money right now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I just don't know about that , because in order to do that {vocalsound} {disfmarker} in order to price it at that kind of level I think we'd need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate , you know , the D_V_D_ player and , you know , the stereo system and all that . Which is a pretty basic function that w we've opted out of . And additionally we're m maybe not supporting teletext um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nah , I think we can say with certainty now that we are supporting teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I do think there are some basic features that we don't have that a lot of other remotes are going to have .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep , one one thing I don't understand is h they've they've given us this package , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now uh in my opinion we need to give them a package back , okay . They say they say okay here you go . They gave us a fundament a foundation of of what they want ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and and w it's our place to kinda analyse and evaluate . I don't think it's our place to create their product for them , maybe it is . I don't know what kind of role we have in this {disfmarker} in the corporate ladder uh , but to me it's like , okay , you have got your {disfmarker} here's our ideas , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then let them look at those ideas and they say , yeah well , we can we can raise the price twenty percent , you know we like this idea , this idea no , but {vocalsound} to me it's it's about a choice , do we follow their directives or do we make uh presentations back and and then and then discuss ? beca I I do not {disfmarker} I do not see the market niche for the product that they're handing f handing us right now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don I I d",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't see it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I have to disagree though . I think our market niche is basically people who need {vocalsound} {disfmarker} who have lost their remote or uh who've broken their remote and don't wanna send back to the manufacturer , they just wanna run out to the store and get a remote , and then they're gonna look on the shelf and they're gonna see ours is the nicest looking remote . It does what they need . These aren't {disfmarker} I I think that it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And and th to get to back to another point , sorry uh uh {vocalsound} for cutting in but , I th I think it's important to remember that that this remote has to work with multiple T_V_s , yeah , 'cause it's selling on its own .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not going to be specifically for Hitachi T_V_s or or whatever .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No I understand that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So technologically , if I understand it , uh T_V_s {vocalsound} T_V_ remote's working exactly the same way as video remotes and D_V_D_ remotes . All you need to do is train them to the individual one , all you need to do is is know the the f like some four-digit code .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So saying that it works with all T_V_s is equivalent to saying that it'll work with D_V_D_s and other things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nope , they've identified the product as not working for anything but televisions .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah y y you you wouldn't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They've identified this product limita",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We have done this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's why I say I don't I don't see the market niche for this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The interface will be different .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If we if w if we were going to have a product that worked for D_V_D_s , V_C_R_s and everything , then I can see the market niche ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but we we're only identified as going for televisions without teletext .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it's like whoa we ha in my opinion we have to go with something that's extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well here's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And I I'd {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because who wants just a television remote ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm sorry .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . We he well here's my thing about that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you're in the market for this ultimate remote , you're not gonna go for just a television remote . If it can't control {disfmarker} if it can't control your your D_V_D_ player and a al if y if you can't get that all-in-one ultimate remote , that just {disfmarker} you can throw all your other remotes away . I'm not gonna buy a d seventy-five Euro remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right . {vocalsound} I I I have a tendency to agree with you . I really do .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we really can't chase that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's why I say I quest I q I question the marketability of the product . I really question where we create the demand .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So I think what we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're really looking for something basic .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that's what I'm saying {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The the one thing that that that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we're we're carrying the corporate identity with the product , but we're actually looking for a large profit at the same time where I'd be inclined to go back to upper-level management and say like let's just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here . We're selling more than just the product . We're trying to get mind-share about uh Real Reaction to to the people who are gonna buy consumer electronics . We want people to eventually say , oh that's that's Real Reaction that's a good m make . It's reliable . And and we're gonna make it {disfmarker} we're gonna win mind-share by uh either being a fantastic product",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or for it working , it just being good , reasonable-priced , {vocalsound} and solid . So if we can make {disfmarker} if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking I think that's in itself an extremely {vocalsound} big thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . I think that's big .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "W {vocalsound} okay if you if you drop the cost , now if you make if you make {disfmarker} go to the other side of the cost scale , and you make it less expensive , then all of a sudden now we're going into an a a new market area . So we can say low-cost uh uh um uh good design , beautiful , wa-da-da-da-da-da .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We only have a few minutes left .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But what I'm saying is right now we're middle market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is twenty-five Euros a mid-market price for a remote ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think so , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "for for multi for a multi-function remote , that's a mid-market price . In a discount right now you can buy 'em on sale sometimes for about about uh eighteen , nineteen Euro ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and that's for the multi-functions , uh D_V_D_ , V_C_R_ , uh catch-alls . And and they have 'em in a little box in the middle , and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls . So to me {vocalsound} , to market this a t only a television remote control we have to change consciousness . We have to have something that will change people's thinking to identify this as advantageous , and I don't know what that is . It's gotta be low-cost or high-cost with with special design features .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I'd be inclined to say , if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost , then that's the way we really should play it . If we can take it down to you know fifteen rather than twenty-five and make a low profit-margin on it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but we're really doing that to sell the brand . Yep we have five minutes left . Uh rather th uh to to to sell for Real Reactions .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or my d {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I can communicate this to to the more senior {vocalsound} uh mm people within the company here to to get a reaction . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What about um the idea that I had with the cradle ? How do you feel about that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well how does everybody feel ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Or how does everybody feel ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I mean I I {vocalsound} well we g we're talking about the other end now .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I like it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , but I {disfmarker} that's the thing I I don't think it's necessarily the other end .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like the idea , but we have t we have to find out {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The other the o the problem with that in my mind I just think off-hand as a as a consumer , would I wanna buy that ? And I think maybe not because I've got a remote and I'll take it to different chairs , I'll take it to different {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I w I don't wanna go over somewhere and put it down . It {disfmarker} i if it is gonna be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and that implies that there's only one T_V_ user . So it's very good for some people but it's not a like {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it lasts {disfmarker} it would last for several hours on its own power , but when you're done with it you put it back in the cradle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have to l sort of remember .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well it {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have to d shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I d I d I d I think it it {disfmarker} in my mind it doesn't seem like something that oh I'd really want uh because of that fact .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But I I don't know , that's just my opinion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , I think again it's it {disfmarker} we have a cost issue here . You know if we're gonna go in this direction , to me we're going to the other side of the cost range .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Are we gonna make this {disfmarker} selling selling the cost as a high high-tech uh um environmentally sensitive whatever , or are we gonna go to the lower side of the range ? {vocalsound} Again I don't see our market niche in the middle for our product yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't see it yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So what do we think maybe we should {disfmarker} Pedro , do you have any opinion on it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we should keep it simple , mm medium-low cost mar um cost area and uh make it look good .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "W {vocalsound} a question I have in in a {vocalsound} {disfmarker} 'cause I I I think I agree with you on , we gotta make it a box . The box is gonna sell it I think , the outside , the casing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Really need to wrap up now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Can can can we have multiple designs ? Have a modern , have a traditional , have a {disfmarker} you know , and so so instead of them all looking the same , people can have maybe four or five different designs they can choose from . I don't know what that creates cost , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well the the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a of a poor design you know . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep one over another . Yeah , okay , I hear that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , complicated but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um but what we could do is some kind of {vocalsound} well I mean {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah we we need to , I mean , have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that I think we all agree is , you know , the best fit . I think w what's really important is it has to look good , it has to feel {vocalsound} {disfmarker} it has to feel good in your hand ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it has to be durable , it has to a and I think it's really important that it doesn't look cheap . I think I think we have to make sure people look at it an and feel like it its like a quality remote . Even though the cost may be low .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What ab what ab {disfmarker} what about a a remote that's {vocalsound} that {vocalsound} doesn't maybe look like a remote ? Just an idea .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just just okay 'cause I mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside . They're selling these things everywhere . Maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity , is we make a remote that doesn't even look like a remote it it opens like a telephone .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Or what if it looks like a pen ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Doesn't matter , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm just jus I talking about some {disfmarker} something to make this thing unique .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A pointer ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It {disfmarker} That's the thing , I'm gonna keep thumping on .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll sell whatever you guys design .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't have a problem selling a product , that's not the issue . I give you ideas , you guys create the product . Once you have the finished product I'll find a way to sell it . Don't worry about it . I just give you these things now , because these are my thoughts and feelings .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "just {vocalsound} to touch on m my point one last time that I had brought up . Um I really {vocalsound} {disfmarker} un unless you guys are die-hard against the fact that um it's possible like it reduces the usability of the remote b and the fact that you can't lose it on your own , I think it still might be a good idea to investigate having like a power cradle .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because I really think i in a certain sense it almost like {disfmarker} for me I would want to have that just , because I know at the end of when I'm done watching T_V_ that when I'm done , oh I better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs . Maybe th th th that's just some people that like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean there's al there's also remote controls I remember that that worked uh , this hasn't been done in a while I think , but th as a as a watch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A lot of people {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "As a watch ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , there is remote control watches um ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but I think they're a sorta eighties thing , so it might not be easy to market in it {disfmarker} uh but the the technologies came along and it might be cheaper to make now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah they are not simple .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Those things may have been inexpensive for all I know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "One thing I just thought about when you were saying that , is that the p our target market is gonna be someone who has lost or broken {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what I was saying .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We gotta stop ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Gotta cut up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Who's lost or broken their their remote . So {vocalsound} how many remotes do they wanna buy ? Can we p can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And so with with with this kind of system or locator or something , to to think about , how have people been been losing or breaking their remote ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How does this happen ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The last remote you'll ever buy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And also presumably they've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And and then and then design the product , maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you'll ever need to buy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well if if we're going down that then we can {disfmarker} we don't need to go the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be uh quite expensive to make .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Whereas actually just putting it in a power cradle might not be too expensive at all because that's just done with mobile phones",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "True .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you can just n we we have said we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . Yeah . The locator'll definitely be more expensive . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um need to look into whether we can do that but uh I think we we have some m mobile phone-based products uh checking quickly our Internet . We really need to finish up here . But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} uh {disfmarker} we can make it in the shape of a coffee pot . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we have the {gap} the power-adaptor products . We sell power-adaptor products . So for example there's nothing stopping us using that technology .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's uh just it's that I think it's telling us to stop our meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So we have the c we probably have have on-line in our in our system , we have the ability to create this , we're talking about .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think so ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A charging system .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "without it being too {disfmarker} In fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that's already gonna be in place here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If if we can create this we have probably five or six or seven really strong marketing characteristics .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think one of the things that we can put right on the box is , never buy another battery .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know , something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Thanks guys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No that's not what I want , I want {disfmarker} Oh look it here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
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"answer": "This was a conceptual design meeting, at which some decisions on product components, functional design, and pricing were made. The group spent a lot of time discussing the components of the device, especially the scroll wheel and power source. The main topics in the discussion about functional design were speech recognition and the function of rolling through the user's favourite channels. The former was abandoned while the latter was adopted by the group for its novelty and feasibility. After discussing the functions, the group thought they were approaching the high-end market, so they could push up the price. In spite of that, the project manager supposed the profit expectation might not be so important as opening up a new market and promoting their brand. In the end, they agreed to price the product at thirty-five to fifty Euros.",
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"answer": "The group decided to produce a mid-sized remote control with a printed circuit board, a medium chip, a transistor, a scroll wheel, a power cradle, a locator, a radio transmitter, an antenna, a speaker, double curves, some LEDs and some buttons. The casing material would be a combination of rubber and plastic.",
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"answer": "The user interface designer pointed out that if they were to go with titanium, there would be limitations in the amount of shapes because it was tough to shape the titanium. Also, wood was not suitable as it seemed anti-technology. Thus, the user interface designer recommended making a thick plastic inner shell and a rubber outer shell which was more durable and felt better.",
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"content": "Afternoon guys . It's gonna be {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Rock and roll .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh . {vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So do we need to re-train Mike on how to put his mic on ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We may do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Think s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , can he get it all by himself this time ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I dunno , I'm feeling like a big boy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Pro",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Probably not , 'cause he's 'S been listening to {gap} too much .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "He's getting retarded . Yay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I believe I can fly .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright well we got some exciting stuff for you guys .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or not .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or not . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just what I needed was something exciting . Remember , I'm an old man .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay , ready to go ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All ready .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay so we've got our conceptual design meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Apparently I'm old as well .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hopefully we've all got exciting ideas now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thirty's really young , eh ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh k exciting ideas . 'Kay so here's our agenda our agenda . Um",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm gonna open . I'm gonna talk for a bit about what we're gonna do . I'm gonna take some notes . We're gonna all do a presentation , and then hopefully we're gonna make some decisions now . {vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound} Well when I say hopefully , we have to . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm gonna let you guys talk before we make decisions . And does anyone really want to go first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I guess I'll go first .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You p two ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Component , I think . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Components design .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep that's it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Presented by name . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My name is {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Your name is name ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Jose he man is .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "My name is name .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Huh hi name .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "My name is Inigo Montoya .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You killed my father .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry I did this in a bit of a rush .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Prepare to die . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "N name .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So so here's a look inside your really old-looking remote control . Um you've got {vocalsound} a printed {vocalsound} a printed uh circuit board here , and you've got all these buttons which kinda press down little rubber {vocalsound} nubbies into these little holes that activate {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We've all broke a remote control ri um s yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we've all broken a remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I've {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you've also got um {disfmarker} you've got your chip here , your batteries here , and some sorta electronics . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I just love you tech guys , huh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah there's a thingy and a dingy and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You press this and it does th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah y do jabber {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so you've got {disfmarker} here's here's a transistor , and this amplifies your signal ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "um you've got the L_E_D_ here on the end of the uh uh on the end of the printed circuit board . Um you've got a couple diodes here for I don't know who and whatnot {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I dunno who and whatnot .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Nah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So um we've got a {disfmarker} i in this in this uh drawing he uh in this example here , this is a eighteen pin um uh chip {vocalsound} I dunno .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "P Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh it's two double A_ batteries .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is pretty standard remote . So here are options for our power sources . You can use a basic battery , which we've already discussed , um {vocalsound} th our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or something like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'Kay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I wanna change that {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if that's really {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I gotta I gotta flashlight , and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know we got some qu crazy guys down there in that department so {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You shake it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah but it's interesting 'cause you shake it like this {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Like this {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So that's the next bullet is the um the kinetic provision of energy ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that's on the camera {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so it's like that flashlight where you have to shake it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh we've got solar cells , which I don't think is a very good idea because um you could not use your remote at night {vocalsound} which doesn't make a lot of sense .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And finally we've got our cradle o our power cradle idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we basically have battery versus cradle here ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "M battery versus cradle I think is {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I like the kinetic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we have battery versus cradle {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I g I I figured you would . Yes . {vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It could be fun {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's actually a novel thing because you could sell it a as a novelty , just to be actually serious for a minute here ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it is it is more uh {disfmarker} I mean it is more eco-friendly than the than the cradle 'cause you're still using power off the grid with the cradle . So um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "our case design . We have uh choices in materials and choices in the general shapes that we can do . Our material choices are a plastic latex um ty or plastic , a rubber latex type thing , uh wood , or titanium . If we go with titanium we're gonna be uh limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it's tough to shape the titanium , and uh {disfmarker} Yeah pers",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wood wood would ge would give us a little bit of a marketing niche , wouldn't it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think wood i {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It it it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Nah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I I can't see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote , it's just anti-technology really , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh to me in a marketing sense it's not it's not relative . We can we can o we can uh accentuate whatever {disfmarker} whatever product you put in there we can find a way to accentuate it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And what we may be able to do , and I think this might be the best option is to combine some {disfmarker} a couple of these . Um my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a like a rubber outer shell , to make it um to mak uh like a thick plastic inner shell and a t um kind of a {disfmarker} to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable , and also maybe i I think it feels a little better than the plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Do you get a good grip on the rubber ? Yeah okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if you make it from that super rubber , when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You don't even need to lean down to get it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The advantages of working with plastic and rubber is {disfmarker} w we we'll have a lot more um options just in terms of shape",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want . So um {disfmarker} and then we can cover you know the breakable bits with rubber yeah so um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But basically these are {vocalsound} curved and double-curved I I believe that the tech department , in their um {vocalsound} in their {vocalsound} message to me , that they were referring to the number of th curves in the bottom . I have no idea exactly what they're talking about ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but that's what they told me , {vocalsound} uncurved , flat , curved , or double-curved .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I would guess this like this pen would be kinda like a double-curved , where it's curved on m m multiple axes , right ? I think curved means just curved in one axis and double-curved is curved in two axes",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or surfaces . I have no idea .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think it might mean something like that sorta shape because a double curve rather than a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm yeah that's {disfmarker} yeah that's what I see .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah that's what {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay oh like a wave , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's what I see also .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright that makes sense okay . Um okay , with the interface we have the following options , we can u we can use push buttons , we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button , and L_C_D_ display ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or multiple scrolling wheels . Um so these are all options that the user interface guy can uh {disfmarker} has at his disposal to put together a user interface .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For electronics , we have these very technical um {vocalsound} descriptions here . A simple chip , which is the least expensive , but I have no numbers to give you ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "a regular chip , which is {vocalsound} like the medium porridge {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} medium expense uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} D do we have actually any concept of what the difference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes the difference is , with a simple chip {disfmarker} a simple chip will operate {disfmarker} oh why doesn't this scroll up ? Previous previous , okay . A simple chip is required to operate push buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} an advanced chip is required to to operate um the L_C_D_ display , and it didn't say specifically , but I I have a hunch that a regular chip is gonna be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So but yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that makes sense . So presentation from {disfmarker} I guess design would go best . Next .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's the end of my presentation .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Technical functions or interface concept ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh interface concept .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Very long presentation . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes , but it has your name on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well that doesn't bo bode well for it for it tats as well . Um so , somehow that thing's too big , but um {disfmarker} okay um our uh manufacturing division wanted the speech recognition . They say they could put it to work but um we don't think so .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No . It it it {disfmarker} you'll be you know be affected by the by the other speech and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If the T_V_ is working , yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's just {disfmarker} I mean it'll {disfmarker} if somebody says up in the middle of a television show , it's gonna change the channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and and fighting for the remote would not be fun anymore ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and I think that's one of the things we wanna keep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But what if you actually had to press a button to make it recognize ? So if you pressed it and went , up ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That kinda would r d",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well then why don't you just press the up button ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Man yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah . That would kind of lose it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But if it's just one thing with a button that you can just go {disfmarker} Up .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Even still there's gonna be interf th there's there still will be interference from the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It might not be it might not be completely confusing , but I think you'll still y it's still {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't think it's practical at all . I think it's a bad idea frankly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so um taking that away , our uh {disfmarker} the the the rubber but rubber buttons are the more reliable {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You guys know your stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's the the ones that would al would allow us to to market our product as being you know less prone to damage and more resistant to things like spillage of liquids over it or you know mistreat misuses as it happens to remote controls . Um as for the point that we making about losing it . Well , we wanna small r remote control one side because uh we want it to be cool and uh designed , but um apparently um market shows that bigger s bigger um remotes get less lost ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That I would believe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But um yeah I think we we need to compromise between those two and somehow we'll do that . Somehow . Um so {vocalsound} the the {disfmarker} what I would propose is something more or less in the uh direction of what is to yo the right of that slide uh but without {disfmarker} with a l a less complicated um design , so the numbers , the volume control , and channel control , and teletext access . Uh the volume and channel control can just become those the the four button array as in if it was a round dial .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And um if you just think about it as the one to the right but with the numbers and the four buttons plus maybe a centre one with teletext .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we're suggesting doing a sorta scroll wheel thing for the volume ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ye no it's not",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's not a scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "i i it's just four buttons that are on a cross ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nah . Oh okay okay . I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so that you ba basically can control all of the important tasks from that {gap} alone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Instead of play , stop , rewind , and fast forward there , that's up , down , louder , and quieter .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um yeah so I think we w we go for something mid-sized , so something looks good",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and uh is not too prone to get lost . That be it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . So on to {disfmarker} Y functional requirements or trend watching ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Trend watching has a later date there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Trend watching I guess . Trend watching I believe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} forty six nineteen fifty seven . Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See what it looks like . It's been so long .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} I don't know what to say . When I s when I see the {disfmarker} when I see the product I I I I don't wanna buy it . I see so many of 'em out there . There's nothing about that product that makes me wanna choose that product over other products that are out there .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Are you talking about the picture ? That's not our that's not our b design ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "that's just a {disfmarker} that's just something he a a graphic he used to show you the layout of what the layout of the buttons might be like .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . Okay 'cause 'cause right now I don't have too much to say about how to market this product because we don't have a product to market yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh from from talking to Mike is that we have we have uh we can market a more expensive product now . That's what I understand so ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Upper management said yes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "hello .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh e excuse that , that's a bit of spam .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And and so {disfmarker} yeah I'm a I'm a little bit stuck right now in that what uh w what is it that I'm gonna market ? Uh without special or increased marketable features I don't believe the product has a consumer demand . Uh I like the idea of of the scroll makin {vocalsound} there are so many people making these products at this price right now . What are we gonna do to make this one special and unique ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What's special and unique about a scroll ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} well I don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah it's {disfmarker} I I just see it as different . I don't say it's specially mm {disfmarker} I don't say it's special . Uh I say that it's different I {disfmarker} what I'm looking for as marketing is m give me something different . I give me a lower price , give me a higher price , give me some new technology , don't give me the same thing that everybody else is putting out there on the shelf it's f at the same price . I need something to market about this thing . We're we're a new firm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd I'd say though that we {disfmarker} if we did make the decision to go with the cradle though , the then we have that as well ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What i {vocalsound} if when when we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but wi with a similar {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah when we when we have something like the cradle or or something give that's {disfmarker} as as a marketing standard {disfmarker} I need something to market , to make this product unique .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well right I think the two big th points that we have so far are the {disfmarker} having the cradle and also having uh the um the actual design of the uh case itself having like this like rubber shell maybe with a plastic interior ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "having it look really nice um and also be really durable .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay . Just remember when I made up this report I didn't have the information that we're discussing here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Course .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And and so so uh yeah when we have a cradle , when we have some kind of design , so what I'm saying is , from my perspective , I don't have a product to market right now . Um uh my personal preference is that we make some adjustment in the cost , either lower or develop an integrated new technol technology . That's that is the next step , there's technology and then there is technology , which we're moving into the next phase .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause that's {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And so uh we're gonna have some new technology to enhance the marketability . Yeah uh again I'm not sold on the product because we don't have a product in my opinion yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I need a product .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well let's get a product then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I need a product to market . And I just {disfmarker} whatever product you guys put together , we'll find a way to market it . Tha that I'm not concerned with .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So now {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If you if you give me {disfmarker} if you give me a cut-out of what everybody else has then I need to I need to find a lower cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So our big {vocalsound} questions here really are cradle or not cradle ? Do we go basic or do we go for features ? Uh d does anyone really wanna do anything with the scroll wheel or should we ditch that off-hand first ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well my question is what would the scroll wheel do ? Function-wise , what does that do that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh but that was in your presentation {vocalsound} so wh what would you imagine it doing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah wh wh what's the {vocalsound} wh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Well it's it's just another way to do the exact same thing that the buttons do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm 'kay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But would we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay now what I see with the scroll wheel is everybody has buttons . So from a marketing standpoint I have I have another door to walk through when we have something that's unique .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If it creates something more complex or more expensive , then I don't know if that makes it uh a marketing necessity . But again , from a marketing perspective I want as much new and different about this thing as possible because we're we're co {vocalsound} it's a very competitive market .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What I understand about scroll wheels is they're they're quite expensive to to make .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I d",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Th they are gonna be more expensive , but on the other hand , I mean , it {disfmarker} I mean it is an alternative if if you think that's gonna sell some some uh you know {disfmarker} if if we're gonna make up the extra cost by extra sales I think maybe it's worth it to do it , but I mean I would just use {disfmarker} if I was gonna do this I would just use the scroll wheel for s channels up and channels down . I don't think volume {disfmarker} or do you think volume would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . I'll bet first in volume maybe . I dunno .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No we can {disfmarker} we can do multiple scroll wheels but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I d I like the idea of basically focusing the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} my personal preference is focusing the p the product on the idea of the uh the case the the {vocalsound} uh dock to put it in {disfmarker} to to charge it . We can target like environmentally friendly ideas , that sorta things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It s i m makes it easy to market ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's easy to differentiate the product , yeah so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think it's {disfmarker} that's right . I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And if we we keep the rest in a format that is durable because th th the whole product's gonna need to be more durable th thus because you're not going to be ditching it as often .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's gonna need to be more expensive because of the cradle .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if we can market it in terms of that and yeah well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . I think we got some exclusivity in that , you know , we got something that nobody else has right now ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and and that means we can we can make some adjustments in the retail or wholesale price if we need to and it also can create it's own demand from it's uniqueness .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So our big decision then is like how do we do um like {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we have to decide on the details and we have to decide on well n not exactly the details , but d do we have uh {disfmarker} What type of casing ? I personally like what you were saying about the plastic with the rubber .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm thinking {disfmarker} yeah something like kinda almost like these pens , you know , where there's {disfmarker} you have plastic bits and then it's not really rubber but just kinda like a fused {disfmarker} the plastic with rubber on the outside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Just a very thin sorta sheet for a a grip , sorta thing or for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well no ma yeah maybe a bit more then th is on here but ju just as a kind of an inspiration , these pens I think are are kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So then if we {vocalsound} {disfmarker} d d do we want to do anything more basic with the {disfmarker} uh more advanced with the user interface in terms of do we want to go for {vocalsound} um buttons , or do we want {disfmarker} if we're ditching the scroll wheels do we want to go L_C_D_ ? Do we want to give {disfmarker} do we want to have anything else on it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's only a T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or from from my perspective I think L_C_D_ is a mistake because this is a universal remote and all you're doing {disfmarker} I mean it's {disfmarker} you're not gonna get any information back from the television , so the only information you can display on this remote is what channel you {vocalsound} just sent it at last and there's just not a lot of information , you know , there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It receives no information .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So I I don't see any reason for having an L_C_D_ 'cause it's an increased cost . Unless you can think of something interesting to do with it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah right now there's {disfmarker} right now there's nothing coming out of the T_V_ to receive , so you know unless technology changes and information starts coming out of the {disfmarker} a cable box or something there's no s I don't see the ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't see the necessity of an L_C_D_ either . Don't see it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so the question is now I guess we need t to decide on {disfmarker} well y you guys basically have to now go and figure out the details of this thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So , what we need to know in terms of marketing and uh project management are are there any other questions that we need to answer now before you guys can go and build this ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What what overall things have we not decided on ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we have to {disfmarker} I think for me it's still not exactly clear exactly what the inter user interface is gonna be . There's the scroll wheel , in or out ? What do you guys like in the user interface ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think maybe in terms of marketing , is that gonna make enough of a difference to justify the cost ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Again . Well I think it's it's {disfmarker} the more uniqueness you can bring to the product , the easier it is , I believe , for me to market . Uh again the push-buttons I I see are are everywhere . And so we can go with the same thing , but we're gonna be com competing in a in a broader market than if we go with something unique . You know the other thing I thought about was you know , do we go to something like this ? Make a remote that doesn't look like a remote . It's just another {disfmarker} it's just a an idea , and I don't know {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I dunno about like the flip-phone idea , because {vocalsound} I think , as far as durability th it's not a big {disfmarker} well maybe when it's closed .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I mean what I see {disfmarker} one of the things one of the things you brought up in an earlier presentation is , when you got children , {vocalsound} their their stuff gets inside the circuitry , they get dirty , they get messy with drinks and stuff .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And what I keep throwing out there {disfmarker} I just keep throwing out ideas to try to make this thing look or act or in some way identify itself as unique or different .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But you guys are the ones that have to c ultimately create the product within cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and I guess th th the question th {vocalsound} th that you're being asked right now is whether {disfmarker} is the dock enough of a unique feature to be able to go out and sell that a a as a a very different product , or do we really need the scroll wheel as well ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Because the scroll wheel comes at quite a cost .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "phew .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think you gotta g get into cost effectiveness . I think if you can have the base station with a with a locator , I think those are two very strong features ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if that's something that can be integrated without a bunch of extra cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The locator's gonna require a radio transmitter , which will {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's gonna n is that gonna need a better chip as well ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} we're probably gonna have to go with a like a medium chip , s I would imagine .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No it's just different .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But we I we will need a receiver , an antenna .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Integrated , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's just uh I I think that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It should be a really simple signal though so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I know personally that would be a very attractive feature , is to have a uh have a button I can push to find my remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's presumably gonna need a little speaker in it or something like that as well to beep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But I guess a little tiny speaker is gonna be quite cheap , it's not gonna need q quality , is it ? It's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah yeah . It'll be really cheap .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or maybe you can like have a a smell-o-rama , you know you push a button and it s puts out a stink .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You can {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe not {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Makes your living room more fresh as you watch {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah yeah yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay we're doing well for time here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um we've got about another ten minutes . I think that uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So the scroll wheel , in or out ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm pr my personal preference is out . I don't think the cost is justified {vocalsound} for a little bit more uniqueness when we already have that , and I don't s think it's obvious and natural how it would be used .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah I think we have {disfmarker} like and it's not very usable and it will bring down the robustness of the whole thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'cause it's it it breaks down easier .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For me I think the scroll wheel actually might not be so bad .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I don't know exactly what the increased cost is gonna be , but I think he does have a point , i it might push somebody over the edge when they're looking at our at our remote versus something else , when they see this one has a scroll wheel to go up and down on the channels . I think it might be kinda neat to be able to do it like that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then that that surely d depends a little on the T_V_",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because some T_V_s are quite slow at changing channels from like so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sure .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if you've got a scroll wheel and you s you have to scroll scroll it really really slowly just so that you're actually keeping in pace with the T_V_'s ability to to change channels . Or do you have to go through and you wait for it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You scroll it a bunch of times and you wait for it to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think wh what it would be is like like the m like this , where it's maybe you know a digital wheel , right , where it's where it's quantized into you know certain {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh I see I see . That's where you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was that was my my intuition of what the scroll wheel would be .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah I see I see what you're talking about now . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's just {disfmarker} it's basically {disfmarker} it it's just a f look and feel thing . It has the same exact functionality as two buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I think there's {disfmarker} you know that uh there are so many people today that are that are surfing {disfmarker} are television surfers , and I see the scroll as a as a great mechanism for surfing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah if you're just sitting there going {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Instead of going button-to-bu you just {vocalsound} j you'd j j j j j j .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's kinda cool actually .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I really I really think that's a really cool thing for surfing .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now just just so you know though uh you did bring up a point which is very valid , is a lot of T_V_s won't re the T_V_s won't respond exactly the same . Some of them are gonna be kinda slow switching , so you may like queue up like fifteen channel changes , and it'll be like flip , flip , flip .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well there's ano",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well not n necessarily .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could basically make it so that it'll {disfmarker} I mean it's just gonna be sending a signal to the T_V_ yeah the T_V_'s ge so if you send about five flip channels , if you did that it's gonna flip once .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you do that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it just might be frustrating where you can't make it go as fast as you want ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Other than click click click . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I think once people get used to it {disfmarker} I I do like the idea of the scroll wheel though .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And if we're marketing it as a high niche product , then we're gonna be selling it to people who are buying good T_V_s as well , yeah , presumably .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Primarily .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think so . I I think so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now the the only thing I I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} on the interface side of it , is that {vocalsound} I I I see the dilemma . {vocalsound} But if we have the option of of scrolling {vocalsound} at any particular speed , or the option of jumping direct , okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I can go uh {vocalsound} presuming I have , on my television , something that tells me what channel I'm on , I can scroll direct from channel five to channel thirty two . {vocalsound} I know what {disfmarker} because it's on the television . The television tells me what channel it's on when I change it . So {vocalsound} I don't know that really that's that's gonna be a a d problem , 'cause the television can go automatically from channel five to channel thirty two with the push of a button . Okay ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So ca can we can we create that kind of interface within a scroll system ? You understand what I'm saying ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think I know what you might be getting at , or or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh I see so if {disfmarker} maybe if we had an L_C_D_ up the top that just did a number on it , right ? And then it {disfmarker} that basically {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no we could read it from the television .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , what about this {disfmarker} what about if you can programme in your favourite channels into this scroll wheel and you can just like roll through your favourite channels ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Well that's quite cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it c it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You'd need a display on the th the thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Why ? It'll tell you when you flip the channel on the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the the television can tell you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Can .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah yeah no I see what you're talking about . Yeah that's kinda cool . How would you program it though ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well you just {disfmarker} it's one extra button . You say programme start , and then type in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Put {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'cause you still have the typing you know you'll still have the keypad where you can type 'em in manually .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So programme start , zero , one , enter , zero , five , enter , {vocalsound} thirty eight , enter , programme end .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay and yeah",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and that just basically flips between it and it'll go {disfmarker} it sends out zero , five , and then thirty six , and then zero , one again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's kinda cool . I like that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And again we have another another great marketing tool .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We have about three {disfmarker} we have three or four things here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's not gonna be too expensive because that's gonna be {disfmarker} you're gonna be able to nab that off of computer mouse manufacturers really . You could basically {vocalsound} come up with a partnership to be able to produce that quite cheaply .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I dunno and an maybe we maybe even have this as in-house technology . This may be something that's available through our own uh through our own services .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Might be , but tha that's not gonna be such a costly feature . The problem we're gonna have is making it robust . Making it last .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh well we also have to determine in some manner how to switch between modes , between going through your favourites list and just hitting up one , up two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or we go directional up {vocalsound} we go we go this we go this we go this way for one , we go this way for the other .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So if there's a button {vocalsound} for each type .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No because you wanna be able to go up and down through the channels .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah people are gonna have their favourite sorta , whether they do that or whether they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah-ha okay . Okay , okay ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "well then you just have , you have a diff you have a mode switch .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah the mode switch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we'll need a {vocalsound} we'll need a mode switch , but then if we have a mode switch we're gonna need some kinda indicator",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Just the lights behind the buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "to which , an L_E_ an L_E_D_ {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You could have back-lit buttons maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Would that work ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Is that {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay we have five minutes . So right details th {vocalsound} that we've talked about here are that we want a scroll wheel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We want {vocalsound} a mode indicator . We want {vocalsound} back-lit buttons . And if we're making back-lit buttons period , do we want that just for the mode indicator or maybe to indicate what button you're pressing at the time , so that you know if it's actually pressed or not . I've seen some remotes do that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Just so you know I think {disfmarker} I mean it was my understanding that before we were gonna stay in the mid-market range . It seems we're kind of approaching a higher-end range .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we are yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I wanna make sure everybody's okay with that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Well you had acknowledged that we have more money for this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well we don't have {vocalsound} it's not that we have more money ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Didn't you say so ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "we can push up the the price .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's what I mean .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We can increase the cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'Kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So I don't know I don't know whether having {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I just wanna make sure everybody's on board with it . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So we really need to be sure as to what we can push the cost up to , though we haven't got to a stage where we're ready to pin down the price of components . But I'd say what sorta price are we looking to be able to sell something like that , and what sorta price can we make it for ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I think th I think the design and technology has to come back and say , okay to create this product we see it's gonna cost us this much for this volume , because we do have a volume target of of fifty million profit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah no I I think that's where we really should be more flexible than anything else because as we said in the last meeting , our management is really looking for us to push our brand . We're entering a new market here ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so I think the the profit expectation for this one product is maybe not as important as being able to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay I'm I'm okay with that . I guess what I just want {disfmarker} to me the next step is for these guys to come come in with the design proposal w with the cost estimate attached , and then we have to take this to the next level .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But th what's our ballpark as to what we'd be able to sell something like this for ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well y yeah . Let's let's try and think now , how much would you pay for",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have to find cost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} with all these features {disfmarker} how much would you pay if you went to the store , and you were in the market f to replace your T_V_ remote , how much would you pay for that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you've gotta think who our target market is because I I'm not our target market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm just asking you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm a student , but on the other hand I would think , mm with my Project Manager salary , I would think {disfmarker} yeah I could probably afford this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Then you could probably afford this {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh would I buy it ? Maybe . If I had a cool new T_V_ and this was r looking really slick and it had the dock and it had the scroll wheel , which I think's a really cool idea , that would sell me on it a little . Then maybe you know . I do I don't think I'd go over a hundred Euro certainly , that would be way too much ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh no no .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but the {disfmarker} I would be happy paying over forty for it , I guess , but not much {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say thirty five to forty .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I was gonna say thirty five to fifty .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay . Thirty five to fifty Euros is our sales bracket okay . So the question is what we ca we make it for .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because one of th one of the things we're marketing about this product is that this is the last one you will ever need to buy for your television .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's one of the marketing features in this .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's why the scroll needs to be really robust .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we'll come up with something between thirty five and fifty that is rug rubber , robust , with scroll wheel , with the new facilities of the scroll wheel like favourite stuff , favourite channels , and and with a cradle , and yeah and the locator .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "With a cradle , radio transmitters , and back-lit buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it's gonna look sexy {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Or not {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or not . It might look like clay {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so you can market pe depending on that ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Bas th that's that's easy . That's that's not a , it's a {gap} . 'Cause we have about six , six , seven features in that alone .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Under the title of uniquenesses .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . The next meeting starts in thirty {vocalsound} minutes , although does it ? It starts at three twenty one , the next meeting . So we've got more than a thirty minutes . Um {vocalsound} we've got more like fifty .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I have {disfmarker} Is my {disfmarker} three twenty one is the next meeting ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The the ne next meeting is three twenty one yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's that's almost uh fifty minutes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that is . Uh they've they've changed the times from the presentations .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You guys can {disfmarker} You guys you guys can uh create a {disfmarker} All kinds of things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Probably . We'll let you know when we're done , if we can go earlier .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Thanks , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so you guys will be getting your modelling done now and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay are there any other questions with regards to what this thing's gonna do , look like , how it's gonna work that need to be addressed before we really look at this in a lot of detail ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't think so . If we have any questions we'll just email you I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think it {disfmarker} pretty much everything's covered .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . This one was quite easy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Coulda been worse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Always the optimist .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Still .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes I am .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Kay thanks guys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you . I don't have any emails . This means I can go home . Oh , we all leave . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
IS1002d
|
Product
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"topic": "Presentation on the function design"
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],
"topic": "The marketing expert's perspective on the product"
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"topic": "Product quotation"
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"topic": "Self-assessment and celebration"
}
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{
"answer": "The group mainly talked about the detailed design of the product at this meeting. First, the industrial designer introduced the function design of the product. It had not only some basic functions, but also the locator function and provided users with a revolutionary way of zapping. Later, the group went on to check the controller's paging ability and talked about more details on buttons. Next, the marketing expert mentioned three things making the product marketable and one possible drawback of the product. Besides, the marketing recommended making it upgradable but the project manager pointed out the risk of doing that. When evaluating the cost of the product, the group discussed some details of the components and made some adjustments. They finally got an estimate of fifteen point eight Euros, which was within the budget. In the end, they did some self-assessment and celebrated the completion of the project.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The industrial designer introduced that the product not only had some basic functions, it also had the locator function and provided users with a revolutionary way of zapping. As for the material, the product would be made of plastic and rubber. In addition, the final design was thought to be slightly lighter and smaller than the present model. Later, the group went on to check the controller's paging ability and talked about some details on buttons.",
"query": "Summarize the presentation on the function design.",
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"35",
"151"
]
]
},
{
"answer": "The user interface designer thought it might be interesting to have a trigger button on the controller because it felt like there should be something, but they couldn't figure out what button was important enough to put there and they didn't want to accidentally hit the power button. Then the project manager proposed that having a trigger plus the scroll might solve the problem of landing and scrolling as it would be hit on both sides. The user interface designer agreed and further suggested tweaking that a little bit in the final design phase.",
"query": "What did the user interface designer and the project manager discuss about the trigger button?",
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"122"
]
]
},
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"answer": "The marketing expert thought there were three things making the product marketable - the features, the characteristics, and the corporation behind the product. One drawback of the product was that it was only targeted at TV, but the marketing believed this limitation wouldn't be noteworthy in comparison with other good features. Besides, the marketing proposed that the product should be upgradable but the project manager pointed out the risk of doing that.",
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"152",
"188"
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"answer": "The marketing expert thought there were three things making the product marketable - the features, the characteristics, and the corporation behind the product. The features included the scroll, the locator, durability, and dependability. The characteristics referred to reliability, comfort, ergonomics, and being environmentally sensitive. As for the business background, they were a new company wanting to make a name for themselves and aiming at supplying good products at a fair price. All these above made the product competitive and the marketing believed they should go after more of the exclusivity sense than the mass market sense.",
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"174"
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"answer": "The marketing suggested producing the controller in a way that makes it upgradable like a sim card in the telephone. However, the industrial designer argued that if the controller was to have other functions it would need more buttons and they should design another version instead. Also, the project manager pointed out there would be some risks of making it unusable or less usable.",
"query": "Why did the industrial designer and the project manager disagree to make the product upgradable?",
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"188"
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"answer": "When evaluating the cost of the product, the group discussed some details of the components and made some adjustments on the chip, curve, button and scroll wheel. They finally got an accurate estimate of fifteen point eight Euros, which was thought to be within the budget of twelve-five Euros.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about product quotation.",
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{
"content": "Uh 'kay . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So so so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Put on your mic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So you forgot how this works again ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Boss .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Boss .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we're here to talk about the detailed design of the product , 'kay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And here's the agenda for this meeting . Uh I'm just gonna open , say a few boring words to start with again , and start taking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonna give us a presentation of our wonder product that I can see some demonstrations of over there . Looks cool . And then we're gonna evaluate it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Bra",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Then we're gonna talk about finance , and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in the last five minutes for this . And uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Hmm you knocked it up ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yep . And {vocalsound} we're gonna evaluate the product and close .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Got forty minutes to do this in . We should be fine . Let's try and keep this one on schedule .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Your thing is in {disfmarker} where is it ? Is it in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Three , three .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thi third third third . The end product thingy . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Who wants it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Pedro can have it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'll help talk .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um yeah so what we ended up with . Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the research department , which is us , is uh fifteen point eight Euros ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "someone forgot the {vocalsound} units there",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Unit price .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah , uh unit price {disfmarker} unit production price cost thing . Um we implemented the basic functions , which is just T_V_ functions plus the locator , which was one of the marketing things , cradle , scroll wheel for uh the {vocalsound} the channels , and uh we implemented the f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping , your favourite channels functionality , in the scroll .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Zapping your favourite channels , eh ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Scrolling through your favourites list .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Zapping you know zapping .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah 'kay okay , that's favourites .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing {vocalsound} . And um yeah that was the result .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah 'kay . I like the the the the logo on there as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's very prominent {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It is very prominent . So this is the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} here I'll give you the {disfmarker} so this is the cradle unit , and this is the actual remote itself . Um so the scroll bar is {disfmarker} or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here , um and then the volume controls are here and here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero to nine and then ten . This is the power button . Uh we have our um {vocalsound} we have the enter button and uh what was the other button here ? This is the teletext .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Start s the the start uh to to to",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The programme button ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "programme yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah the programme button . So this bl this button will be used both for the favourites and for programming {vocalsound} your uh the um the type of television you wanna use . So um the plastic is the white area of this {disfmarker} of the model here , and the red area is like a rubber covering .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's pretty cool .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you can see that when it lays like this or like this {disfmarker} and the buttons are all gonna be rubber , so it's pretty hard to actually damage it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that {disfmarker} could that be easy to {disfmarker} for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that might be a possible a mi uh possible problem , but if you drop it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Not helping {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh well I guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah and it depends on if it's sliding , but I think it's pretty ergonomic . You can feel it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Feels good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I take it that this is gonna be slightly lighter in the final design as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah of course . Well this is clay {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah it's kinda cool . You have to reach a little bit don't you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah the the power button is a bit of a reach , but I think we might scale down the final model a bit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah that wouldn't make sense .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} These {disfmarker} this is a bit larger than it would be , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's cool . I'm impressed .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Don't have no one to handle that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And hold it so {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "wh what's the marketing perspective ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "oh that's {disfmarker} oh I like it . I mean you guys gave me more than I was asking for , so I'm happy because we've got some really marketable features in this . Yeah I think it's good . Good good good job .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm Pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So you ha you have like the the base station with um the little button for the where's my remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Beep beep beep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh pla",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The locator function .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm ha",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's great . That's great . It's a great feature .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um beep beep beep {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm it's impressing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Wicked isn't it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So let me get it ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if I press this button {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "beep beep beep {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I see . That's pretty cool . Hang on . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "beep beep beep {vocalsound} be shut up . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you can push that and he'll be across town {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Beep beep beep {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} I plan to do that as well .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "okay . Um no no no tha that's alri",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So the the two blue {disfmarker} are are those for the the it to charge off of {disfmarker} in ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Exactly that's exactly what those are for .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And um there's one other feature that we were debating , but we decided to go against it , is um {disfmarker} you could",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "beep beep beep {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we were thinking that it might be interesting to have a trigger button here because you have this finger {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {vocalsound} it's the right shape isn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it it's it kinda feels like there should be something there , but we couldn't figure out what button is important enough to put there . And we we don't wanna accidentally be hitting the power button like that so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing and scrolling ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "'cause then it would need to be hit on both sides {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right . So maybe in a final design phase we might tweak that a little bit ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh , I can see that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But it's definitely got options for like different types of models and things as well based on that , hasn't it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep I like . Good job .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So is that the the final colour scheme as well or ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No no .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh no this is {vocalsound} just what we had to work with at the time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we'll leave the colour scheme up to the marketing people .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The {disfmarker} hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Careful .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It came off . The scroll wheels , {gap} a problem with them not being sort of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I don't think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I mean of course , I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "My my s my suggestion is we're gonna go go to the silvers and blacks like most of the televisions .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know some blend of silvers and blacks .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Beep beep beep . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay enough of that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well i it's cool guys . 'Kay so are we done with the this presentation ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ja .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Now now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So you're not gonna find my uh my folder up there I gotta do mine up at the board .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Have you ? Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . So {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Can I not get your get at stuff from your shared folder now ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No it's not in there because I had the computer problem and I I I cou I couldn't create it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh I see I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I couldn't create it in the PowerPoint ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and I think I've got this really strange cable . So what I had , basically going from the PowerPoint format , is that uh yeah yeah I like this a lot . Is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations in the in the meeting room ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Nah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So what we had is we had the method . That's not how you spell method , is it ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No way .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No A_ {vocalsound} . {gap} . {vocalsound} So this doesn't go so fast this way . And when I speak about method I speak about the marketing of the product huh . And uh to me with this product we got uh {disfmarker} we got {vocalsound} basically three things to market . We've got the features , we have the uh characteristics , and we have the {vocalsound} I I don't know what we would call the other part {disfmarker} what we call you know the the {vocalsound} the corp corporate {disfmarker} Help me . The the corporation stands behind the product , okay . So the features I think {vocalsound} we got the scroll , we've got the uh the locator , we've got the durability , we've got the dependability ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It fell off .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we've got you know the features that make this a unique product . Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Beep beep beep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} the characteristics I talk about , we have reliability , we have comfort , we have ergonomics , we have environmentally s sensitive . Uh and the corporation , we're talking about {disfmarker} we're we're a new we're a new company . We're wanting to make a name for ourself . We're wanting you to uh find our product so we're gonna give you a good product at a fair price . One thing I would want to to see is uh is can we can we get a lifetime uh guarantee on this product , a normal use guarantee , which means that this product , for the for the life of of {disfmarker} the life use , if it should have a technical problem , that we could re replace it at no cost ? That was something I would be interested in . Um so {vocalsound} yeah without uh going into great details , we have a we have a product , it has the features and the characteristics , and the background , I believe , to make it marketable I believe at a cost of of of thirty thirty five to to fifty Euros . We're gonna be competitive , and we're gonna we're gonna have a market niche . Um w",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do you {disfmarker} would you a argue that that we're better going for the higher cost than bringing it down into twenty f five as we probably could , but lowering our profit margins ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That that would be uh that would be I think a decision best made by corporate um I I m for my evaluation , based on what our competition is , I th I think that that we can go after this and and and go after more of the uh exclusivity sense than the mass market sense .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm 'kay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I'm sh I'm sure open to to market this in either direction . But you guys came up with a great product , and at that cost I think it uh {disfmarker} there's nobody else that's putting this this combination of of ingredients together . The only limitations I see to this is that we're focused on television only . Uh that's the only that's the only drawback I see to this . But with all of these other features I think people c {vocalsound} one thing I'm I'm hoping for is people are not gonna even notice . There's gonna be somebody going home and say oh sh this thing doesn't work for my D_V_D_ and my {disfmarker} but I like these other things , so they keep it , they don't take it back .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we're actually quite open to be able to expand the product for a later version with those features quite simply anyway , aren't we ? Th there's no fundamentally different technology to do that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well one of one of the thoughts that I had is can can this unit be be produced in a way that makes it upgradable ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know uh like like a um a sim card in a in a um in a telephone . You know is there a card in th can we make a card and so after {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "W we need we need we need s some more buttons if it would to work on some other stuff , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , but you follow what I'm s I'm s",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We we w yeah we could get another version of it that actually works . But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah 'cause if if we can make this unit upgradable then we're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} yeah but then we talk about changing the warranty concept and everything , but that's that was just an idea I had . Uh to me the only additions {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the plus there's the the risk of making it unusable as well , or making it less {disfmarker} b because at the moment it's actually very straightforward to look at all the buttons , you know what they do , it's very simple , and it just works .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm there's a risk of that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . But anyway that's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we can talk about finance now . So I have a little spreadsheet for us where {disfmarker} I I was wondering , you {disfmarker} when you talked about the fifteen point eight Euros , I was wondering how you came up with that figure ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that was just just our technical team added up the um production costs of the individual units .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so I have bit of a spreadsheet here for this . {vocalsound} Now",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Very co very colf colourful .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've made a f few assumptions here in that I'm assuming that our power adaptor we can make for a cost of four Euros ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "equivalent to solar cells , which I think is probably fair considering that we have in-house manufacturing of power adaptors already .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} and I'm assuming that the locator beacon , the you know the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "beep beep beep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Can be made for {disfmarker} it sounded different that time {disfmarker} uh can be made for a similar price to uh an L_C_ display ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh , sorry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh an uh {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh do you think that's fair coming from a {disfmarker} m the manufacturing ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah um I do think we that we we {vocalsound} uh don't need the events chip on print , we only need the uh the regular chip on print ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} . Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so there may have been a m miscalculation in there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Okay . So we're down to sixteen point four , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we and we have a single-curved uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Is that a single-curved rather than a double-curved ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh I think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're not entirely sure what single-curve versus double-cur",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We've got a we've got a curve and a droop . I don't know whether that {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's single-curved ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You think ? Okay",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm {gap} convinced . But we save one Euro that way , yeah ? So we come {disfmarker} bring it down to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Fifteen point four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "See it's a little bit more than f single-curved . So yeah it's fifteen point eight , that's where we came up with it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well hang on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Do don't speak so {disfmarker} it's in here , in that {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "w do we have any {disfmarker} we have special form don't we ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So that's {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah . What do you know {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But the the the {disfmarker} we haven't talked about any special colour though uh I don't th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh it's {vocalsound} a that's not very special , it's pretty {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "if we're going for greys and silvers then I don't think we're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} O okay so we're {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} If th {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Push-button , scroll wheel , we're {disfmarker} basically we have uh th",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We don't {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "is this intended to be a button as well or just a scroll ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's a scroll .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a scroll .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just a scroll ? It's not one of the scrolls where , for example , with this one you could push it down to be a button ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh no we just use it as a scroll .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ooh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay then we have fifteen point eight Euros .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It was a pretty accurate estimate I would say .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It wasn't bad .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We're wicked . Awesome .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we're on to the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S 's kind of s frighteningly accurate {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We're on to the pat-on-the-back part of the presentation , where we have a look at the criterias th that Paul {vocalsound} the criterion criteria that Paul has has given us {vocalsound} , and we can use that to tell {disfmarker} How's it going ? {vocalsound} Anyone got any thoughts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "How how have we done today ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think we did pretty well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think we did pretty well too .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That looks pretty spectacular .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I think we come up with a with a attractive marketable um product and and concept .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Any other chang uh thoughts ? Okay so th th what about um room for creativity ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it the {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That was mm-hmm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sh I think there was plenty of room .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think we we ended up being quite creative there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We got a couple innovative i",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Couple innovative ideas .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "well we we we kinda broke {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we kinda at least adjusted every every criteria they gave us",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because we d we still have the the teletext capability in this thing right ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we raised the price of it , we've added two t new technology to it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you know you know if this thing flies then we've we've adjusted or broken every every idea they gave us .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not every idea necessarily ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Basically .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's still a remote control {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh no yeah but {disfmarker} we did we did break with the specs a little bit I guess ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But I like {disfmarker} I mean when I say we have we had {disfmarker} I believe we have room for creativity 'cause w this is {disfmarker} we did it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Kay leadership , what do we report back to the bosses ? No th th I think they were r reasonably flexible with us over the whole changing the specs thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It was more of a teamwork thing then really leadership based project was",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I agree .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Teamwork .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cohesive yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Synergy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} There was a lot of synergy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes synergistic yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Teamwork , yeah he is uh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What did we think of the meeting room , I guess is an important thing here . Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "These cables suck {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , this falls off",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and uh the white board worked really well without any pro",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And that's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "D you must have very long shirts . That's way far down lapel mic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-mm , lapel . Wha okay , oh , alright {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Lapel lapel lapel {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Lapel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's almost a crotch {vocalsound} mi cr {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's it's down , it's quite close .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} You know you know what they're gonna have on the recording in there from that microphone is your lunch digesting you know th {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Keep it , keep it calm . {vocalsound} Oh dear {vocalsound} . No more pizza for me {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh dear oh dear {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So yeah the the pen came in alright and it's a little uncomfortable to use but I guess it works .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause this is {disfmarker} you were using it o upside down . Still that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's our boss {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Nah , I'm I'm not convinced of that at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I've been wor I've been wondering about that all day , but see these look like they're {disfmarker} that looks the oth that looks like it would be that way around ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Use them like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Pedro's right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but it feels more comfortable , wh what you call upside-down .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Pedro's right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't care . Uh okay so that data might be slightly invalid . What new ideas have we found ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh wel",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "New ideas f uh for the product or for the the the the environment or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well let's do both then .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "what are we ta",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh for the product ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we had the favourites list , and the scroll bar , and we have the cradle , and the r uh remote call feature .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we came up with quite a bit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Bunch of new ideas .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And for the meeting room , Has anyone got any more {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah comfortable headsets would be nice .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah less sore on the ears .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I I mean {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "clearly remote control microphones would be the would be a nice solution to all these cables , but I'm sure that there's there's some justification for these things that I don't know about . And of course I did not have so much fun with my computer this afternoon .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not been uh it's not been cooperating so well , but {vocalsound} I don't think that's the that's avoidable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Coulda been worse .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay {vocalsound} so {disfmarker} Are the costs within the budget ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm n {vocalsound} no .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Nope .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh hang on it really {disfmarker} that's something we {disfmarker} that the costs were under twelve fifty Euros . No requirements are changed . We're still under twenty Euros to build , so we're good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the costs within the budget ? Not the original budget , but they are now . Is the project evaluated ? Mm I think so yeah , then celebration as it says .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hooray .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Free coke provided at the cafeteria .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh I don't know how that got there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "All right .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh anyway .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Who wrote that one ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thank",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thanks guys .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we need to close this meeting ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah bravo . Congratulations .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Good job guys .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Cool .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on so let's close this and come back and {disfmarker} 'kay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on too . Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
}
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"answer": "Project Manager initiated the first meeting topic on the new project agenda, including welcoming the groupmates, the project plan, the project method and tools. Next, Project Manager invited everyone to draw their favourite animal on the whiteboard. Then, Project Manager introduced the target selling price of twenty-five Euros for the remote control and a profit of fifty million Euros. The target market would be the international market.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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"answer": "Project Manager introduced that the goal of this project was to develop a new remote control. It should be original, trendy, and also user friendly. The group would be going to follow the project method, which included three steps. First the functional design. The second's a conceptual design, and then the detailed design. During each step of each design, groupmates need to work individually on their specific tasks and will meet to discuss and take decisions about what they did and what they will do next.",
"query": "Summarize the project plan.",
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"answer": "Firstly, User Interface drew a spider because he thought it was easy to draw in the corner of a whiteboard and spiders can move all about the web in two dimensions. Marketing drew a friendly panther because it was fast and black, so it could hide very easily. And it looked powerful and strong. Industrial Designer drew an elephant because it's peculiar about the way they walk. And they are the biggest terrestrial animal.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion on favourite animals.",
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"answer": "Project Manager mentioned that they should target a selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control which would generate a profit of fifty million Euros. And they should target the international market. User Interface supplemented that they need to find out what people are willing to pay for and what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five Euro.",
"query": "Summarize the discussion about project finance.",
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"answer": "Marketing said when he was a child, he wanted to be a panther. Industrial Designer thought it would be difficult to draw a panther. Project Manager thought it would be very funny for them to see Marketing drawing a panther but Industrial Designer didn't like it. So Marketing said it was gonna be a friendly panther. User Interface supplemented that maybe it was happy because it just ate someone.",
"query": "What did the group think of drawing a panther?",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer gave a very detailed introduction to his drawing of an elephant, including the difference between Indian and African elephants. So Project Manager interrupted him and told group mates they would move on to the next topic because they had limited time for discussion. In addition, Project Manager said there would be an update meeting about elephants next time.",
"query": "Why did Industrial Designer think that there were some messages when Industrial Designer was drawing the elephant?",
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"answer": "User Interface asked a question that whether it would be a stand-alone unit that they are going to be selling. So Project Manager answered that they should decide which kind of remote control they want to go, if it should be a specific remote control to some specific device, or if it should be a universal one. User Interface responded that they need to design the product to fit the expecting twenty-five Euro based on the requirement. Project Manager agreed and invited group mates to input ideas in the next meeting.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . Good morning everybody .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Good morning .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh , everybody is not ready .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh almost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ready .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's go . So , we're here today to to have our first kick-off meeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes . Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager . Um you are the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm uh Michael . I'm the user interface designer .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hi I'm Guillermo {gap} . I'm the Marketing Expert .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And I am Hemant , the industrial designer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , very good . Thanks for being here . Um so let's have a look to the the agenda . So , we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh {vocalsound} to make {disfmarker} to to be used to the tools uh available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here . Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it . So , the goal of this project is to uh developed a new remote control . Um it should be original , trendy , and also user friendly . As usual we will follow the the project method um {vocalsound} that we are using in the {disfmarker} in our company . It is in three step as you know . First the functional design . The second's a conceptual design , and then the detailed design . During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately , individually on uh your specific tasks and will m we will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next . So first , we have to to train ourself with all the um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and take some um s some notes or do some drawings . So who want to start ? Mister {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah well if no one else wants to , yeah . Okay so , want me to draw my favourite animal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Let's see . Well , I don't really have a favourite animal , but um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have one in mind ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "uh I think I have one in mind , so uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm gonna {vocalsound} {gap} about the uh spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board . The spider has a {disfmarker} spider lives in a web {vocalsound} and uh it has eight legs , and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions . Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes . There are some spiders that live in like {disfmarker} that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web . And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uh they let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh {disfmarker} build a new web somewhere else . So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh {disfmarker} well it's actually a book first but uh um at the end all the the spiders kinda flew away .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , that's my animal .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Th thank you . Very interesting . {vocalsound} Guillermo you want to ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} 'kay {vocalsound} I dunno why , but {vocalsound} when I was a child I I wanted to be a a panther",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} not a pink panther ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "or maybe yes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It would be very funny for us .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So bad I don't like it . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay it's a friendly panther .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um . Actually , honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour , I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's the female uh , I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt , so {disfmarker} but {vocalsound} I like it because it's fast , and it's black as well , so it can he {disfmarker} it can hide itself very easily and it's it's {disfmarker} it looks like um {vocalsound} powerful , strong , uh I dunno . I I watch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and {vocalsound} I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Hemant .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you don't like pink panthers ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I like it {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{gap} {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah . Thanks . This lapel is coming out once in a while . It's not very strong . Okay . So , not the favourite animal , but I think I'll draw elephant .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll try to draw elephant {vocalsound} . It's a problem . Okay , thanks . Okay so , elephant goes like this , {gap} and then it has four feet {vocalsound} . I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not , but I think this is the easiest . And then we have it's trunk . And yep something like this {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "An eye , cute {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Poor elephant {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} and sometimes they have a hump . It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way {disfmarker} a different way of walking . So when they walk , wherever they are going to put their first feet , the second feet will always be . When they'll come to that position the second , the third feet will be there . That's the way they walk . And that's very peculiar about them . None of the other animals walk like this . And they are very useful to human beings . At least few few hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something , or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another , elephants were very useful . And they are found in um usually the warm countries . And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal . That's what I know about them . So , that's what I wanted to tell about elephants .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant , 'cause you haven't drawn the ears ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "There are two kind of uh yeah , they are very different , Indian and African elephants . So Indian elephant is having one bump , I think , and the African have two . And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals , these elephants who are Indian and {disfmarker} So at some {disfmarker} for some elephants it's {disfmarker} the trunk is having one {disfmarker} Do we have some message there ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yes . We have to {disfmarker} I have to catch you ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wind up",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "sorry . We have to to go through the meeting .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "? Okay , some other time .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We can discuss that off-line .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we'll discuss a f a fly or do {disfmarker} we'll do another meeting abo on elephants .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so another important part of the project is about money , uh and about {disfmarker} so about finances . So {vocalsound} we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control and uh we have um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} which which would generate a profit of of um {vocalsound} fifty million Euros , okay . And we should target the inter an international market .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So could I just ask one question , um is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling ? So it's gonna be you already have a T_V_ but you're buying an extra remote control for it or something ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "O this is the {vocalsound} next topic we have to discuss exactly ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so let's go to it . So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go . Should be should should it be um specific remote control to some specific device ? Should it be a universal one ? And uh etcetera . So um {vocalsound} so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only three three minutes to go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay well , so , it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how much profit we wanna make , which seems to {disfmarker} a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet , but I guess if that's {disfmarker} if that's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so , I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually {disfmarker} you know , what people ar are willing to pay for {disfmarker} um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five Euro",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it seems quite a lot for a remote control ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay I think this is more a job to our",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "market person yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Marketing person .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we need to close the meeting . Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so {gap} the work every every of you ha have t d to do . So um you have to work on the on the working design , you have to uh work on the technical functions , and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs , alright ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Um you will receive some information by emails , i as usual . Thanks for coming today .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thanks .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
}
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"topic": "Presentation on current trend remotes"
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{
"answer": "Project Manager started introducing meeting purposes on the functional design of the remote control. Group mates have agreed to name the project as 'Mando'. Next, Marketing presented user requirements and market reports on current remote improvements. User Interface presented the current trend on remote controls. User Interface compared scroll wheel and LCD screen. Industrial Interface gave a presentation on the working design of different interfaces. Lastly, Project Manager summarized the whole project meeting discussion.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
] |
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{
"answer": "The group agreed that the remote should be fancy and easy to be hand-held. It should not be too small or too big in good shape. They agreed to bring new technologies and push toward the internet for young peoples. So they would use the wheel to navigate. Also regarding the budget, they had a new target price but it would be impossible to have LCD and automatic speech recognition technologies implementation.",
"query": "Summarize the group discussion about the functional design.",
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"answer": "Industrial Designer thought a universal shape design should be good for both the hands. User Interface suggested that they could still design to extend past the hand and have something like finger grips on the remote compared to the traditional ones. Marketing supplemented that it should not be symmetrical. And Project Manager agreed on it.",
"query": "What did group mates think of a universal design suggested by Industrial Designer?",
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]
},
{
"answer": "Marketing mentioned that most of the young people to thirty years old were interested in this kind of technology. However, Project Manager updated him and group mates that head offices would like to restrict the remote control to TV only because of time limitations. Therefore, Project Manager suggested the group focusing more on the internet aspects because the teletext was outdated and it should be clear that the corporate image should be clearly identified in the product.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the incorporation of an LCD or a speech recognition system in the remote control?",
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"146"
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"answer": "When User Interface mentioned about they need to keep the buttons down to a minimum, Marketing thought the transition to this new remote control shouldn't be very abrupt because if people would think it's very difficult to learn a remote control without numbers. User Interface responded that it would depend on how they advertise it to navigate to a program without the numbers.",
"query": "What's User Interface's opinions toward Marketing when discussing the transition to new remote control?",
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"208"
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},
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"answer": "User Interface suggested that the scroll wheel could be used without an LCD screen for changing channel numbers easily. And it would be fairly cheap to implement compared to an LCD screen. Project Manager mentioned that, however, they had seen that there was a new way of interacting that used wheels to navigate. So Project Manager suggested that regarding the cost budget they had a target price, their design could stick to new technologies that bring to young people.",
"query": "What did Project Manager think of the scroll wheel suggested by User Interface?",
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"answer": "User Interface thought that sometimes the speech recognition interrupted people when there was a dialogue on the TV program. Unless the remote control could be made to not have to pick up any more, that would be a useful feature of speech recognition. Project Manager was not keen on it because Project Manager was not confident they would have a product that was able to work. However, Marketing thought that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper than the LCD and people must buy it with twenty-five Euros.",
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{
"content": "Okay everybody is ready ? {vocalsound} Good morning again . So , today we are going to have a f second meeting . Oh Michael , hi .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You're late . You have a good reason for that ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Very good {vocalsound} . {vocalsound} Okay , let's have a look to the agenda today . {vocalsound} So , we are going to have a meeting about the functional design . Um so first before starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to {disfmarker} through the minutes of previous meeting . So uh {vocalsound} basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal or specific uh uh remote control , but I have new um new i inputs for {disfmarker} about that topics . I goin I'm going to share with you . {vocalsound} And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individual actions for each of you uh so um Industrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on the working design . You showed us {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you ar you you prepare something for us ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The U_I_ guy also uh work on that , yeah , and for the mar our Marketing Expert should deliver some specs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Alright {vocalsound} so {vocalsound} so we are going to go through three of your individual presentations . But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of {disfmarker} to give a name to the project . So , I just put d quickly Remo , but if you have any o other names that we co could decide for just to to keep something fun for our project we we should {disfmarker} we could discuss quickly . Any ideas ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh the Powerstick .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Powerstick , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What else ? What else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe a Spanish name would work well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm I was thinking of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Especially if we're selling into the U_S_ market becasue there's a lot of Spanish speakers there . Maybe something that sounds cool in English but sounds funny in Spanish .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mando .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mando .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mango ? Mango ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What is that ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mando .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mando . M_A_ ? M_A_ ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "A*_N_ yeah D_O .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "M_ D_O_ . Mm , okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't it doesn't sound cool for me ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What does it mean ? Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but maybe for a Spanish {disfmarker} for I {disfmarker} for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What does it mean in Spanish ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm . Nice .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . 'Cause it also {disfmarker} like in English it sounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of the remote",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} mm , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so it might {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mando sounds Latino . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The Mando .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So , let's go for Mando ? Yeah ? No objection ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we could have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special , so you have man in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O_ as like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I think this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uh potential buyers though ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "do you ? So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah they are the most T_V_ watcher . So we should be careful .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I think this is more a question of of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Marketing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} yeah",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I I think this is more a question of of look and feel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something that should be addressed later We should we should go to other {disfmarker} for the other topics .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because if the product will be international {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well that's the thing . We need to know who we're selling it to before we can really decide on a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay , so let's stick f to Man Mando for the name",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we'll see for the for the look and feel later . So let's go for the three presentations right now . So , who want to start ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we could start with the market , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe maybe I should uh start . Yeah . Mm . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay so I have your slides somewhere ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Should be in participant four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Participant four . {vocalsound} This one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound} Uh .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "S that's coming . Uh {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "okay . Great .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so yeah I will I will give a brief outline about what I what I prepared for this meeting .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For the functional requirements and especially for the for the user requirements . I prepare a marketing report and we have to find the weaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls . And also I di I did a study with {disfmarker} for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been {disfmarker} have remained the same for the last five , ten years . There is no no significant difference between the the b the first new controls and {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Sh next slide ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {vocalsound} {vocalsound} more {disfmarker} most of the people think that remote controls are ugly , thoroughly . So and they they admit that the the they should uh s they would uh spend more money in a fancier remote control , which is which is good and it's interesting point . Also the people are worried about about the R*_S_I_ disease , which is if you repeat the sa the same movement , which is not a {disfmarker} with a not very appropriate device , you you will have problems whe when you will get old . So s people are uh are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control . They are also {vocalsound} {disfmarker} they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often , so I think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to {disfmarker} any beep any alarm or something incorporated to {disfmarker} with the remote control every time it it get lost .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And also I found that young people {disfmarker} the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {vocalsound} {vocalsound} in my opinion the Mando {disfmarker} this Mando shouldn't be very small because the smaller it is , the more like {disfmarker} the the liklier it is to get lost . Liklier or more likely ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "More likely . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} likely . Okay . Uh {vocalsound} people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f uh memorising channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but {vocalsound} they they shouldn't they shouldn't have the same importance in the in the uh in the remote cont in the remote control . Also the z the design should fit the hand shape . So it may be interesting to to think in a {disfmarker} in both prototypes , for right and left handed people .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well th the on the thing is though , most remote controls are used by more than one person . So unless you're kind of targeting single people you know you're gonna maybe",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "cut out some {disfmarker} a lot of your market .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno I th Anyway I think it could be int interesting to to release some {disfmarker} a a small fraction of of this remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe it could be a universal design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A universal design , which is which is good for both the hands .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand , right ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? That's right , whether it's left hand or right hand ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but but {vocalsound} don't you think that the two points are clashing , one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The first and the third point , they are clashing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it can still be a {gap} , you can still extend past the hand .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Like uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So fitting the hand doesn't mean much then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it means {disfmarker} like , this remote here is kind of {disfmarker} is very thin and long so instead of having {disfmarker} you know you might have it kind of {disfmarker} a bit bigger",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or , you know , with maybe some some finger molds or something .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So it means design should be similar to the traditional ones ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Little sleek , longer ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it should fit the hand .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No no I was thinking of so like something {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Something with the shape of the palm ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Some finger grips maybe .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "On the sides .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . It sh it shouldn't it shouldn't be symmetric symmetrical .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hm mm-hmm mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Not anymore . That's what {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And then finally {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And finally , the incorporation of a L_C_D_ or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting , but I don't know if the budget would be large enough .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . First I'm just wondering about the L_C_D_ stuff because uh because {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But most of {disfmarker} yeah most of the young people to thirty to thirty years old were really interested in this kind of technology .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so maybe it's a good time for me to uh {vocalsound} to bring you to some new uh new informations . We had the new requirements from the {disfmarker} so uh from the head offices of the company , and so they wanted {disfmarker} so they want to um {disfmarker} they would like to be restricted to T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , I dunno if you had this information already . No ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so they want us to restrict the remote control to T_V_ only because of time limitations . Um they want also uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually this marketing report is restricted to T_V_ remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Excellent . So we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well well te teletext is outdated now and uh finally , {vocalsound} it should be clear that the corporate image , that means colours and logos of the co our company should be clearly inde identified in the product . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I was still uh I was still working on this uh twenty five Euro price point because I think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there , this is quite a low uh price if if we're {disfmarker} maybe I can get to this in my presentation though ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . Sure sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but um yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we can jump to your presentations , right now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so let's keep in mind about tha that that {disfmarker} this last point about L_C_D_ and speech uh reco",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I think even even if it was within budget do a speech reco rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think {disfmarker} if you're watching T_V_ you're gonna have a lot of this uh background noise from the T_V_ which might interfere with the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Sorry , what is your {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh participant three . You might have some background noise from the T_V_ which will make the speech recognition much uh harder , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you should be able to activate or disactivate , so {disfmarker} yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh you press a press a button to talk , and the the T_V_ the T_V_ {vocalsound} sound turns off . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah uh channel fifty .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it could be command control kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It requir recognises particular sequence and then it gets activated . Means you say {disfmarker} you should say like does that , remote control being on or be on kind of thing , and then remote control comes in the picture for the speech recognition .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because this kind of thing means speech is there from the T_V_ also .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So there should be something command controlled , you start and then you stop .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's like V_I_ editor , you are having two modes similarly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise it's just lying idle .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay Michael .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so , could I describe the mouse maybe {gap} be easier to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "could I use the mouse , or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Thanks . Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The wheel doesn't work .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Great {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so um while uh researching this this topic I first of all just thought of a couple of things that I would like to see in a remote , and just uh looked to see if they're actually available in any current remotes , and then also searched for which are the top-rated uh remote controls on Epinions dot com , which is a a you know a a customer um written basically review site . So um there's a pretty wide range of uh remote controls these days and and uh this remote control on the right here is is one of the more extravagant , but it's not really {disfmarker} it's by no means uh mm you know {vocalsound} on it's own in being so expensive . There are a lot of expensive remote controls out there .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Looks like a P_D_A_ {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} yeah it doe it's {disfmarker} well basically all the functions uh are controlled through through the L_C_D_ screen except for the really really kind of main functions , which have a couple of of their own buttons . Um and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out um on the market , I know we're working on television remote , but a lot of the universal remotes out there have uh have these L_C_D_ screens which kind of helps when you're using multiple uh devices I suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions {disfmarker} d different functions on the screen at different times . But um the thing that I find most interesting about this remote control , and it's kind of difficult to uh to see in the slide , but it has a scroll wheel on it , which is kind of like uh a mouse scroll wheel , which I think is {disfmarker} it's a really kind of important design aspect um is {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} 'Cause the thing is what a {vocalsound} what we {disfmarker} the presen this presentation we had is what we want the remote control to actually do . And obviously the the simplest thing that a remote control does is it just change the change the channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Change the channels .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Now um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "uh the {disfmarker} I think that a scroll wheel is actually pretty a pretty handy way of of changing the channel . 'Cause I know when I um when I use the remote to change the channel I very rarely use the numbers on the on the pad . I usually use the up and down",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mmm-hmm mm-hmm . Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because most channels are you know two digit numbers and you have to press you know a special button to enter a two-digit number , and then two numbers , so that's just uh {disfmarker} it's annoying . So I think a scroll wheel is is quite handy . Now um the the scroll wheel is is much more useful if you have an L_C_D_ screen , and this brings us to the the point you were mentioning before about the internet uh capability .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "One possibility , if we {disfmarker} now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can't be done for twenty five Eu uh Euro , but one possibility is to download program information into the L_C_D_ screen so that instead of actually saying I want to I want to go to channel thirty seven because I know this programme's on , you know , often you don't know what ch what channel it's on , or you don't know what's on . If you have a list of of programs on your L_C_D_ screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel . So if you think about {disfmarker} it's kind of like a {disfmarker} you know in mobile phones now you don't use {disfmarker} you don't remember people's phone number , you remember their name and you go find that name and ring it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So this would be pretty {disfmarker} kind of a handy thing to have , but um we we really need t to discuss the price . So , I mean there are {vocalsound} there are uh cheaper {disfmarker} this is another multi kinda purpose remote control where it's it's it's very simple , there's only a few buttons , but al each of those buttons does something different in a different context . So this is something else we might wanna consider , is really kind of limiting the number of buttons , because this is the top rating uh universal remote control on on Epinions . It it's really uh maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as as possible um because really I think people want to be able to find the button they're looking for without even looking at the remote control . And {gap} was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used uh tasks , but I think also you know the location and and shape of the buttons is important , but also the number of buttons . So if you have too many buttons it it it increases the the difficulty of finding the one you want .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But there is one problem {gap} then the user has to understand each of that functionality .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well we w",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because the same button is doing too many things .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler uh task in that we're only doing uh a television remote control . Um I think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip-open um door that uh that you have hidden most of the time , but contains the extra buttons like , say , the number buttons for instance . Um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I I would {disfmarker} if I had my perfect remote control , I'd probably just have no numbers at all on it because they're just in the way .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "They don't really do anything . Maybe you know I {disfmarker} although I do also find flip-open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or or whatever , but maybe a door that you can you can permanantly remove or permanantly have on would be good .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um {vocalsound} but I think definitely you need to to keep the buttons down to a minimum , but not not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of of the device . Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "H I think I think that the tr the transition to this to this new remote control shouldn't be very very abrupt very hard because w if people see a remo see the {disfmarker} see a remote control without numbers mm they will think it's very difficult to learn very difficult to {disfmarker} very different build {disfmarker} very different to the traditional {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It does sampling out of the {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well I guess that depends on how you market it . If you {vocalsound} if you have the right advertisement showing how how how easy it is and how you can , you know , navigate to a program without the numbers , then people might say that looks pretty easy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If y",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , can you continue , please Mi ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yep . Um okay , so , I think um one of the really kind of useful things you can do with with internet connectivity would be to have this {disfmarker} a programme driven interface rather than the channel number . So if we can have a higher priced uh remote control I think that would really be worth uh {disfmarker} something that would be worth implementing . Um mm there's the L_C_D_ screen , um which maybe maybe is too expensive , um but I think also at the scroll wheel , I haven't mentioned it here , the scroll wheel could be used without an L_C_D_ screen , just for changing channel numbers easily . I think even that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I mean , that would be a fairly cheap thing , compared to an L_C_D_ screen , to implement ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um but I think that would be quite useful as well . And the other thing , you say we need to we need to keep it just television , but I think one {disfmarker} maybe one option , since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device , is you know there's a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of {disfmarker} you can have with technology , and maybe we wanna make it something that's {vocalsound} extensible to do other tasks . Say you have like um {vocalsound} a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can , say uh , change the lighting in the room . You know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra , so that it doesn't have to be part of the initial development , but , you know , later on you could you can you know you {disfmarker} also , selling the potential of the device . Then you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights , I dunno , close the windows , whatever , turn the heating on , and um , I think that's something we may need to have as as {disfmarker} at least as an optional extra to to kinda make our product cool , since we say we're putting the fashion in electronics .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Okay . Okay , thanks . {vocalsound} {gap} you want to go ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . So {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So most of the things which we are discussing about is speech recognition uh , that means on my own I {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , it should be .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Great . No , not that one . {gap} you are two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Two .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so the working design is uh user i interface could be of two types , one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knoing {disfmarker} doing some he is knowing about that technology . So he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this , and on top of that there there could be a speech recognition technology also being {disfmarker} sitting on the on the remote . So the old kind of users who don't want to have any changes , it can it can be useful for them , and the new users , as uh our Marketing Expert was saying , they can use the new gizmo which is speech recognition kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , sorry to interrupt you , but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use wheel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right . So anyway , that didn't come into my mind ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so th that is a possibility . These could be other kind of interfaces .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Means we can have , depending on the cost , how much we can afford , we can have different kind of interfaces . So spe buttons are something which is very {disfmarker} everybody is familiar with . So if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell that twenty-five Euros money which we are thinking . Otherwise we are just like others in the market . So anyway that is the first , user interface could be of more than one type , and uh yeah that means we can do the on-line changes which which cannot be done now actually . So apart from the speech , we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons . Now for buttons , normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required . And for voice , limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That increases the the cost also .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh that's right . But uh means we have to see how much {disfmarker} what kind of microphones and stuff like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Do you think that performance of such systems are enough to to target well {disfmarker} of such technologies is enough ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh yes , if it is limited vocabulary usually it's enough .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah we we can uh target , means we can target ninety five percent accuracy or somewhere ninety seven perc",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well wh uh I imagine also that the microphone will be an ambiance um a um an ambience microphones",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "because you are not going to speak into into th into the remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right . No it it could be little d yeah it could be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So it could be s a few centimetres .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well one one other thing that that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is uh when you want to sell into other markets , though ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right . That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because , I'm not sure exactly where we're gonna sell this , but I presume it's not gonna just be English speaking countries .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So then you have to s you know , you have to train models for {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm . Uh it's more like , means there are different speech technologies which are existing so D_T_W_ could be kind of which is the easiest . So you have to store some templates on the on the on the chip itself , and {vocalsound} it's just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is , instead of having a model which has to be trained and being a micro-controller .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay we shou we should discuss this la later after after after this this uh slide .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's right . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "This is a this is a this is a a very important uh issue in discussion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we can That's right . Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , next . Uh that finished ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No no . Components .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Components ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So , will you go to the next slide ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yes sure .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah so this is the design which we are thinking so . We are having a power button and the switch {vocalsound} , which is not much ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and then we are having the {gap} which is to indicate whether the power is on or not . And then there are two kind of things which can be {disfmarker} so one is the button interface which has not been shown because because of lack of time {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we could not put that . So now where the A_S_R_ decoder is sitting , similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there . So there is A_S_R_ decoder which could be there , and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller , and then there could be buttons , and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the math put it in the proper message format . And then there is there is the chip which is sitting , the green one , and it converts it into bit codes , and that bit codes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So this is the easiest design the there could be . So th an A_S_R_ decoder we can have things in {gap} . To have different technologies . So this was the {disfmarker} my personal preference was that we can have A_S_R_ sitting there on the remote control .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know {vocalsound} turn volume up , and you press the uh press the button",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well , by speaking and doing {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So these are the slight problems .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because {disfmarker} yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means {disfmarker} though I don't have much idea , but as he {disfmarker} the uh Marketing Expert presentation was {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo {vocalsound} everyone will s will buy it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Actually I'm not so sure",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So if we go with just the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "because I'm the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you know if I was using a remote control to , say , turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well , I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm {disfmarker} instead of pressing up on on a remote control . You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear , I'm trying to actually find out what's being said ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well it depends if it's a remote control th",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Alright .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said . We are targeting T_V_ . {vocalsound} We need {vocalsound} we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big . Um we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "With a good shape for the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "or good shape , yes . We should bring new technologies for young peoples , and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet . Maybe this is something we can stick to it . And um {vocalsound} also , a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the {disfmarker} one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate . So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price , it's not possible to go s to go to L_C_D_ {vocalsound} and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies . Uh first m m why not to go to L_C_D_ . Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T_V_ {disfmarker} in fact we can use T_V_ screen as a screen to feedback {disfmarker} to to give some feedback informations about what we could have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well it depends though {disfmarker} well it depends . If we we don't {disfmarker} unless we have some input some video input to the T_V_ or we have control over the T_V_ then we can't actually display that . Like if we if we produce the T_V_s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there , but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of {disfmarker} something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T_V_ to superimpose those those menus . So that's an extra",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah that's right . Don don't you ha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "cost .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "don't we have contacts with uh people on T_V_ or or {gap} well systems that exist that we can use ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote . Are we still {disfmarker} you say we're focusing on T_V_ , but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control , or is this something for our own line of of televisions ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause that really makes a big difference . 'Cause {vocalsound} even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T_V_s . It's just there are too many T_V_s out there . It's it's not really gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's good point . What's what cou what could be the cost of uh {disfmarker} well , could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L_C_D_ on the remote control ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For twenty five Euro ? {vocalsound} I think it's impossible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's not possible . It's impossible .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But but I dunno ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that {disfmarker} any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control , and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics . So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "of increasing the unit price .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is {disfmarker} which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um {disfmarker} in terms to had {disfmarker} to have really an added value ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What would be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . Yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so regarding the automatic speech recognition , I think this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wha but what would be {disfmarker} one question , what would be the goal of putting an L_C_D_ in a remote control ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well th",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What what kind of information ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers , like an interactive programme guide .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but mo most of the T_V_s nowadays show the show the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They have tele teletext . Well , because they have teletext on it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the n",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but yeah most of the T_V_s have teletext nowadays .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "They have t most of them have teletext , but we want to get rid {disfmarker} well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So to to uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You can get a lot more information on it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "to browse more easily the teletext . For instance through uh through your remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh {disfmarker} o",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so you can quickly just kind of {disfmarker} even without reading {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext , also .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well no , but there are the electronic programme guides out there . They may not have pictures , but maybe they do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "There's {disfmarker} dependi it also depends on the country .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well because {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for the same reason that we cannot uh {gap} informations on the T_V_ {gap} . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from . So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that . Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I I think if we're gonna {disfmarker} I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T_V_ onto the remote control , especially if we don't control the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . We need to find that out .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} We need to close the meeting . Um {vocalsound} so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {vocalsound} just a small thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Very quickly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "what kind of market we are targeting ? Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market , or what ? So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or {disfmarker} because the cost of L_C_D_ thing could be as high as the T_V_ itself .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That is very important .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their {gap} ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If it's a really small T_V_ maybe {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Broke . Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and they want to go t for universal one , and they take the fanciest they can have .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So this is {disfmarker} that we z that that we should target . So the com the um {vocalsound} the uh {vocalsound} the committment is the following , we don't go for speech recognition technology . The L_C_D_ is still on disc is still open to discussion .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It is up to you to go through this um {vocalsound} uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting . So",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the {disfmarker} than the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but not sure . Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements . You need a internet connection . You need m more things .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "for the speech recognition you you don't need anything . You just say channel fifty , and that's it .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a {disfmarker} you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Means th yeah twenty five Euros is {disfmarker} yeah , that's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well this is what we need to find out .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control ? 'Cause otherwise we need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay this is {gap} {disfmarker} this is an open question for you . Yeah . This is uh up to you to tell us . But I'm definitely not keen on to to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To move to another target ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies . I'm not confident enough . I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work . I uh that work {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's real yeah . How to guarantee such performances is really hard .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} the expert uh said ninety five percent {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well this is still {disfmarker} is is very bad .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ninety five percent is not good enough though . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , this is the end of this discussion . Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on . Um {vocalsound} so you have to work on the component uh concept .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh you have to work on user interface , and you have to go through a trend watching . Okay . So the question is still open about the L_C_D_ thing . Um uh we {disfmarker} I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction . Thanks . Bye .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
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"answer": "Project Manager started meeting on the conceptual design of the remote control. Marketing gave a presentation on the preference of users which was easy to use with a fancy look. Also, Marketing suggested the remote control to be the shape of cool fruits with fewer buttons because they should target the young user group that would be keen on new device innovation. Next, User Interface presented on the sample of sensor speaker but didn't recommend it because it didn't add too much functional design and it was not mature to use it as a speech recognition engine. The group agreed with User Interface to have two scroll wheels with turbo button and switch on button. Then, Industrial Designer gave a presentation on the component design. The group decided to use a power source with spongy design and double curve chip for easy handling. Lastly, Project Manager helped conclude the features on the upcoming prototype presentation and asked group mates to prepare individually on it.",
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"answer": "Marketing suggested the group to focus on a fancy look and feel more than the functionality of the remote design. Group mates asked if they would have a remote control in the shape of a banana. Marketing said they should not be attached to the trend because the trend next year would be different. So, Marketing suggested focusing on a young user group and designing a handy and cool remote.",
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"answer": "Marketing suggested that the group should focus on young people because they are more open to new devices. And Marketing mentioned that 95% of young people were able to buy a cooler remote control. User Interface asked if the fruit was cool. Marketing suggested they should think about the product in a cool shape. Nevertheless, User Interface suggested an easy-to-use shape. So the group recommended some fruit. Lastly, User Interface mentioned that they needed to have all the buttons with the device.",
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"answer": "User Interface explained that the technology could recognize and train keywords in a certain order like a phrase. Project Manager asked User Interface whether it was just to playback something and was not really to do the control. User Interface supplemented that it could recognize a set target kind of word. So Project Manager thought this function is completely pointless from the interaction point of view.",
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"answer": "User Interface suggested including the turbo button in scroll wheels and introduced that the turbo button was like a scroll wheel to scroll the past television stations without seeing what's on them. Marketing asked about the speed whether it could be controlled. User Interface explained that users could skip over channels and know it was going fast or whatever. User Interface also suggested switch on and off buttons. Project Manager agreed to add one switch on button.",
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"content": "{vocalsound} Okay ? Good afternoon . Hope you have good lunch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Hi .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Afternoon . Yeah , we had falafel .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh . Nice . And you ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh , yes , I had something similar but non-vegetarian .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . So today is um our third meeting . It will be about the conceptual design {vocalsound} uh . If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings um . We decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of L_C_D_ screen on on the remote control because of costs . So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today . Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point . So I hope uh that your respective pr presentations uh will help us . So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So marketing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So you are {disfmarker} you saved your y your presentation somewhere ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you're four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Which is trend watch . {vocalsound} Okay . Mr Marketing Experts .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's me .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So {gap} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh . Well I investigate the preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users . Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current the n current trends ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Okay . {vocalsound} {gap} Okay . {vocalsound} Well wha {vocalsound} what I found {disfmarker} um can you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Next slide ? Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Thank you . What I found in order of importance from less to more important is that people want an easy to use device . After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking , but the most {disfmarker} what they what they find more more interesting , more {disfmarker} or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current the current trend which was f the functional look and feel .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So now more more cool aspect , ma more {disfmarker} a cooler aspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with {disfmarker} instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things , a device which is pleasant to to watch , to see .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh also {disfmarker} Well {vocalsound} in in Euro in in Paris and and {vocalsound} Milan the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the current trend of {gap} uh of clothes , furniture and all this all this fashion it's {vocalsound} it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And also {vocalsound} in the in the U_S_A_ the the current {disfmarker} the mor the most popular feeling it's it's a spongy . Spongy means eponge ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe we should we should think in in this direction , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What what do you mean by {vocalsound} fruit and vegetables and spongy ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "What {disfmarker} you mean clothe",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Spongy means it it's like sp",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Fruit vegetables is the the new {disfmarker} have you seen the last exposition of clothes in Milan ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No , I missed that one .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , I I didn't miss an {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
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{
"content": "I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit , there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Oh , they're {disfmarker} okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no , not not yet , not yet .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So te textu textures , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Vegetable textures and all this kind .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Drawings of bananas .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay and {vocalsound} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But what's your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well so this is in the next slide certainly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh no no , it's not .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So which fruit are you thinking of ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker} Um .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit , but the general aspect of the of the remote control may may {disfmarker} could remind some kind of vegetable , some kind of instead of vegetable , some natur mm uh natural object or something .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But yeah it it depends on the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the L_C_D_ . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the {disfmarker} {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Means buttons are in the shape of fruits ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe the shape the shape {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "buttons are in the frape {disfmarker} shape of fruits or something , apple , banana , something like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , not n not not too much focus , not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the ten the trend the trend will be different .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Apple for channel one . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So we shouldn't be at re really attached to to the trend",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "but {disfmarker} For instance , yeah . African or as an elephant ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That we can discuss afterwards {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But {disfmarker} okay ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not , I'm not really sure if uh that would really appeal to everyone though , maybe just to fashion gurus , like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner , but I don't know about uh I dunno how ergonomic a , an orange is .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing . I think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "To fruit ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and also yeah according to the marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was {vocalsound} was was able to to buy a a n a cooler remote control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But is it uh is fruit cool ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's a question .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is fruit cool ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Uh {disfmarker} Is the new trend of the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well I guess , you know , Apple has the iPod so , {vocalsound} imagi {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "just 'cause they have an apple on their on their product , doesn't mean fruit is cool . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No I think we we should think about a a shape with it {disfmarker} a device with a shape of some {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay , but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know , you don't wanna pear or a watermelon . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "a cucumber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Maybe too long .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or m",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . Too green .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Maybe . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So , but I mean you also have to {disfmarker} you have to also have , fit r all the buttons and {disfmarker} you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A banana .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
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"content": "Um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's , it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The thing is you have t normally with um with buttons , they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like {gap} on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't th it will be rolling a lot .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I li I like your idea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons so",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough {disfmarker} a lot of place to put a L_C_D_ on a banana also .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh do you want a an L_C_D_ with twenty five Euros ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , this is {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think {disfmarker} Well , according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so , I will give more importance to the look and feel than {disfmarker} rather than the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} So you you you suggest to go f",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "new inputs and also it's {disfmarker} I'm not convinced about this L_C_D_ because you need uh internet connection , you need more things , it's not just buying a new control re remote , you need {disfmarker} buying control remote , buying uh",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} S so you're simply",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "more things . It's not so simple .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons {disfmarker} with only a few buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "For instance , yeah . Yeah for for for {disfmarker} given an an example yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay good . So maybe you can go ahead ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah no , it's what I already said .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Thanks . Um . Okay , I'll give the floor . So you are User Interface guy . So you're three ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it's this one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go for it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yep . Okay . So . S next uh slide . Okay . So I received an email um around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit , um which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But it's just a speaker right ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's {disfmarker} no , what it is , it's it's very {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's not a microphone .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It has a has a microphone , has a speaker , it's got a little chip and it allows you t",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Actually I'm not reading microphone there , so that's why you can all have conversation , it {gap} just to speak to you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , it's a sample sensor sample speaker . Sample sensor sample speaker . It means that it can recognize , it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "But uh there's no kind of um understanding of the phrase . So , I mean , you know ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I guess you could build that in , you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
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},
{
"content": "But basically the thing is , we have this technology available",
"speaker": "User Interface"
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},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but the thing is obviously there's still gonna be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "so um it it {disfmarker} but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from uh you know uh a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Whilst you know , some people might get annoyed if we uh if we just dump it , {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I {disfmarker} there's something that I {disfmarker} unclear really understanding . Is this a technology that recognize keywords {disfmarker} speech keywords ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's it it's no , well , it's it'll recognize uh I guess keywords , but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase . You train it for a certain uh , for a certain phrase , you say {disfmarker} the the example they said that they have uh up and running with their prototype is um {disfmarker} well they've actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that uh that we're producing is , you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it'll playback good morning , how would you like your coffee ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And it's just to , it's just to playback something ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So actually that was a bad example , 'cause it doesn't actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can't really understand the response , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . So this is not s really to do to to do control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Only , like , only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . This is just more like a poi pois yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's designed it's designed as a fun kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but I guess you could use it as uh as a way to implement uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it it's c uh it it",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but you can u",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it is a uh uh easy uh a fancy thing that you you can bring to {disfmarker} we can bring to the remote control that will not have any uh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Completely pointless yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{disfmarker} yeah comp {vocalsound} completely pointless {vocalsound} for the inter for {disfmarker} from the interaction point of v point of view {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah , unless you know , you like having conversation with your remote control .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but the {disfmarker} can we use it for saying okay , channel fifty , channel twenty ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well yeah , that's the thing , if {disfmarker} you can but {vocalsound} you have to pro though I think it's a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination , you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel fifteen , that whole thing , not just the word channel and the word fifteen , it doesn't have that kind of logic in it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah . So this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology , bringing it to the remote control and using it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that would be some development work .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So this is out of discussion . So if if if it is something that you can {disfmarker} we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "M Mando .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Banana-mando .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No this is mm banana-bando , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Banana-man {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Banana-mando yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh then it could be cool yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah okay , let's go ahead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I uh I I I don't think it's worth it though , I think it doesn't really add much to the functional design and it's it's it's not mature enough to use as a speech recognition engine , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Um , yeah . So if we can just move on to the next slide , I've just done a quick mock-up of uh uh some of the features of our {vocalsound} potential funky-looking uh remote control {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It doesn't look like a banana at all .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , you see , I was I was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "um , so at the moment it's more of a box focus .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you you can fit i you're saying now you can fit it to {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah , well , this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that's designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But um , I've just indicated here , we could have actually two scroll wheels , 'cause I think the scroll wheel is a fairly um key part of , you know ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Stable thing , that's right . To have {gap} ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think everyone has has agreed that it's {disfmarker} that it could be quite a useful um thing , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But I think it's important , you know , to have two scroll wheels because , you know , you want one for for the channel , but you also want one for for the volume ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "because it's it's {disfmarker} the volume i it's , you know it's very handy for it to have uh instant kind of uh feedback uh and response , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} But um , I've also included this turbo button because I think , you know , every design should have a turbo button , and {disfmarker} well {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's a turbo button ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so this is you know , a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television , the uh the tuner on the T_V_ is not gonna be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll , so you know , the th the person might want to have a uh {disfmarker} Might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what's on them , in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then , you know , displays that station . Or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it , even if it lags behind what they're doing {gap} .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It con it controls the speed ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so with this turbo button you can , say , skip over t channels if uh , you know , if I'm if I'm going {disfmarker} if I'm scrolling past them and you know , it's um , you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it's really going fast or whatever .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So yeah , that's um , those are the two important uh features I think we need on the remote ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but I mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need , um . You know , i it could be , you know , if we if we wanna have like a very cheap kind of device , I mean , we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very , if it's gonna be a banana , you know that's a pretty gimmicky kind of thing that doesn't have that much functionality , it's just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it's hard to get so many buttons on a banana",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's enough .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and it's still very {disfmarker} it may even be for most {disfmarker} for some people more functional than their current remote , but if they have these scroll wheels , so , um {vocalsound} you know , what other buttons do we want ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I mean we could have {disfmarker} well , I guess you need an on and off switch ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Switch on . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but you could you could o you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe , you know , it's kind of like a spy kind of flick thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So sounds crazy . I like crazy ideas .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's why you're a marketing guru . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , of course . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So i it looks like we're going completely to forget about the L_C_D_ thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well , that's the thing , as {disfmarker} have we decided that we can only spend , uh , twenty five Euro ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I think that {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well not spend , but you know , charge twenty five Euro .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I I think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialogue interface or so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No we can we can't use that .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} we can ? We can't .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We can't use that to to comman co communicate ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Communicate .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's just a thing {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but we can say channel twenty five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's one way .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But then you have to have a template for every channel , for a hundred channels , you have to be able to to recognize {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's not a lot one hundred templates ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Well , I f I think it's probably more than , than our {gap} can handle because it's designed for a coffee machine , you know , to say hello in the morning .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah , it's designed for a cof {vocalsound} okay . Is it design for a coffee machine ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well that's its current application , I would presume that it's kind of , they wouldn't design it to handle a hundred things th so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . Maybe you could ask your {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} you could ask the engineering department if we can {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . A good good good thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You want to g to move to your slides ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , that's right , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You're finished ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I just I just made the point , I don't I don't know if that speech recognition is , you know , even if we can do it , I think it's not really appropriate for uh television environment .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah I think so .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But um I did have one thing from a previous meeting , you were talking about um being able to find the remote control",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and I was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know , a base station that can control other things as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It might be useful to have some kind of base station , even if it's just you press on a button on it and uh and the remote control starts beeping , you know , this is a way of finding the remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition {disfmarker} the speech thing could be useful just to say I'm here",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exactly yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh it's probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it's a speech synthesis kind of thing ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's speech {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "something has been uh stored and it's just uh spoken out .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's it's speech synthesis and s it's speech kind of , not really speech recognition , but kind of pattern matching , yeah",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh , good idea .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , let's move on . So you're two ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So this is going to be about the component design .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So first thing is we need power source for the remote control . So I was of the idea that we can have two kind of power supplies , one is the usual batteries which are there , they could be chargeable batteries if there's a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells , when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it'll be pretty uh innovative kind . Then uh we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your {disfmarker} if the remote control falls it's not broken directly into pieces , there should be some flexibility in t",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there should {disfmarker} we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve . The s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve . Then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they don't feel that it's an alien thing for them .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So , just one second , when you say double curve , what do you actually mean ? You reckon you could like draw us a thing on the , on the whiteboard 'cause I'm not sure {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Double curve is , you have curves on both the sides if I'm right . So it's symmetrical kind of thing , whatever it is .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , but like , kind of convex or concave ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , it could be curve , so it could be convex , conve concave , depending on what what we want .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So there are flats , there are single curve and there are double curves .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "These are the three things , and there are different materials , with plastic you can have double curve but with uh certain other materials we cannot have double curve . So there there was uh there were many other materials like wood , titanium and all those things , but plastic is I think is the most appropriate one ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it'll bring the cost down",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Although , you know , wood could be uh quite a stylish uh option ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and anyway it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "if you take like , nice quality kind of wood that's got a nice grain and you kind of put some , some varnish on .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm but i but there is no elasticity which could be {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Wooden cases {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well it depends , I mean , you have the outs the wood itself is not gonna break so you don't have to worry too much about the case being broken ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but the components inside .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "it's the inside . Yeah but inside you know you could have {disfmarker} you can still have some kind of cushioning that's not visible to the to the user .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Very {disfmarker} too expensive to do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And also uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And I mean you could also , you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but it's more easier to do a banana in plastic than uh in wood .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's true , but are we set on the banana idea ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it look like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it looks like you are all targeting that",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I was thinking that the",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "the shape of a banana is not it's not really handy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yes it is .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh I don't know the name o o in English uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is it an e apple which has {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's not a fruit it's a vegetable .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's like a pumpkin or {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ? Pumpkin .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Green .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Green .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Green .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um um um , yes I see .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What does it taste like ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And you put in the salad .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Pep pepperoni .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Um",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "is it {disfmarker} what's it in French ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Poivron .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oui c'est ca",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , okay , so capsicum or pepper . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh pepper .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Pepper .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But um they do d",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And it's al it also suits with the double curve for easy of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't know , it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me , like",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No , I mean in a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not re it {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} like with a banana you can have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you you think it's really fancy and fun ? You think that young people that are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'm sure it's fun . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . More than a banana ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "But banana is not so handy ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Banana is more handier as compared to this I think , and to capsicum .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I think that's handier .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But {gap} like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "and just roll it back and forth like that ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's kind it's kind of {disfmarker} it's more uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but with uh {disfmarker} I don't know how you would hold a capsicum and {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "it's really ergonomic , it's fit in the hand and you've a lot of surface to {vocalsound} to put the controls .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay let's move on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah you're right .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So time is running , let's move on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so push buttons for the traditional users so that they don't feel they are alienated , just {disfmarker} and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection , volume control and teletext browsing . These are the three scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , we can go to the next slide . Then uh there are different kind of chips , one one is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip . So we can have regular chip for control . Pricing is a factor for us , that's why we'll go for the regular chip . And uh regular chip supports speaker support , so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So is that , when you say speaker support , you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It could be a beep kind of thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way , or is just the the signal ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yes , yes , that's right , it's it's onto the chip ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "most most probably , not not hundred per cent sure about that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That will be the volume control I think which which a user shou it it should be already pre-defined . It should be {disfmarker} whatever will be the case , the chip is always going to be sitting inside .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah , but the speaker , if the speaker is actually on the chip , then if it's too far away from the the casing , or if the casing is too thick , then you may not hear the the speaker .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Uh , so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "As {disfmarker} or as hearing is concerned , we can have some gap at some place ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So that's something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that {disfmarker} That's right . Okay . Yeah . So these these were the component selection and these things . We can go to the next slide . And uh these were the findings which I I saw with the web web , that user wants to have control more than one device {disfmarker} wants to control more than one device from the same remote control , so our T_V_ remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like V_C_R_ D_V_D_ players which are usually attached with the T_V_ , because users are like this and they don't want to have one remote control for everything , so with this additional little , we might be having slightly better market for us .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Although , if {disfmarker} It depends , if we like , if we are concentrating on like a fruit design , then maybe maybe we wanna sell a collection of fruit , you know , like a different fruit for each device .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Of fruits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Cause that , you know , that {disfmarker} sometimes people like to collect um you know things that {disfmarker} of a similar type .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S objects .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Remotes {disfmarker} objects , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Crazy objects .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well , {vocalsound} you're the one who wanted to do fruit in the first place .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No but I think just one fruit to control everything .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Like a power fruit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "A power fr a power M a Mando , a Supermando fruit {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And uh as well as I could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really uh hot thing s",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we should have it on the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually I I didn't understand very well this trace speaker lost control .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you're having a basis station . Okay . Your {disfmarker} usually your remote sits on that . So you {disfmarker} and it's {disfmarker} that's why it can have chargeable batteries . Now let's say {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you you have to buy two things , the banana and the basis station .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Bu it's it's {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Basis station is with the thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You s you you {gap} thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there . So now what user gets additionally he doesn't have to buy batteries , they're rechargeable batteries , so over the period of cor time he'll recover the cost . So you're having the basis station and there is a button , if you press that button wherever the remote it'll start beeping so you know where the remote is . Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I think that's a pretty handy feature .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it's kind of {disfmarker} people would find that worth it even if it wasn't uh a recharging station , even if they didn't have to buy extra batteries , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but I'm a bit worried about the budget . {gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh this is {disfmarker} basis station is nothing more , just it's a wire which is coming from the main cable and uh you're having one socket on which the thing sits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Although you do need to include R_F_ kind of circuitry in the remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right . But all these things are usually in-house so we don't have much problems .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So component cost is going to be the least . Anyway , we are not using really advanced technology , L_C_D_ has already been ruled out , A_S_R_ has been ruled out . So it's the basic thing but very trendy and very user-friendly .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I'm just wondering actually , 'cause , you know , I {disfmarker} this whole fruit thing with the banana , it's um it seemed like {disfmarker} it first seems a bit kind of uh niche , like only a few people would really want a banana ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but what if it was kind of uh a stylised banana ? You know , rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana , you could make it kind of silver . And um , you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely kitsch . {vocalsound} For better {disfmarker} want of a better word",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You think that yellow it's kitsch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , you know , I don I don't know how many peop",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "If you make something that looks like a banana it should have the colour of a banana .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No , I I {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "A {disfmarker} yeah , otherwise it'll be mis means you don't get b any feeling then .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well they {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "O otherwise {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Maybe li like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's neither a banana nor a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , like this colour this colour {disfmarker} Maybe , you know , maybe {disfmarker} like still in the shape of a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Roughly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , exactly .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Exactly . Um , but you know , just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of , you know {disfmarker} because the thing is it's gonna be a little bit difficult to make {disfmarker} um to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape . I think if you're gonna not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of , you know , twenty first century rather than sixties or seventies .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Let's move on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And uh going to the last slide .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh uh {disfmarker} yeah . Before before st before ending the meeting I'd like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Go for it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well no , not not you , you can finish your slides before {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay , so . Anyway , users'll be {disfmarker} so the findings is users'll be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm {vocalsound} okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So that was very {disfmarker} I thought it's a very good suggestion by everybody .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's all ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so mm {vocalsound} so well done for the presentations . So we need to take some de decisions about um {vocalsound} about what we're going to do .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So I I propose that you go to the whiteboard",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and we're going to report all the ideas we had we had during this these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the prod final product",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "and uh where Superman go banana and uh {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "uh extra func functionalities such as wheels , um the speaker unit um well not in order {disfmarker} not to lost the um the device ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I do I don't remember you call it ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right . The basis station . That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Basis station , yeah . Uh so um {vocalsound} so we're going for a stylish banana shape .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so , I guess you wanna hold {disfmarker} like the way {disfmarker} the end of the banana you wanna kind of hold as ma you maybe wanna kinda hold like a gun rather than {disfmarker} 'cause you don't want it to point kind of towards the floor .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So you know , so if you have like {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What about what about this shape ? More or less .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "There's less space on this to put with the buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I if it i if it has really the model shape of a bana you could {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but how many buttons do we need ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "the the starting is good but it could {disfmarker} it should have more the shape of a banana if you want to point really a at the thing . If you don't want to to to do that movement which is which is difficult {disfmarker} if you don't have to do it in fact , it's better . So ti time is running ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh what about a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "we have to we have to we have to to move forward . So let's skip to uh this uh this this this idea . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we have this .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have a a basis um , how do you call it {gap} ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The base station .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "A base station .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We'll have a base station extra uh on the side .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} okay , so I guess we need , you know , something that can fit a banana shaped object .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , we have a R_F_ for um for beeping for beeping .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right , yeah , we need that , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We need b R_F_ to beep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so it's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we {disfmarker} that means we need a button on th on the on the basis .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Basis station .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Basis station , thank you . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Alright , so we need uh {disfmarker} okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Can you go quickly please ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} So we are going to add uh also um you {disfmarker} as you suggested the whee some wheels to control the volumes and channels and your tur turbo turbo uh button .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah , which {disfmarker} I think it's it's probably best actually on the on the underneath of the the device ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Turbo button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , on the th yeah , maybe here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so you have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And the and the wheel a a at the level of the thumb for instance .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yes . Yeah , so you have the thumb kind of here .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And and you have two wheels .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So yeah , you need one one here and one on on the other side , so you got volume an and channel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay right . Good . So no L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And , uh {disfmarker} No L_C_D_ .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay great . {vocalsound} Um . {vocalsound} Very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh we need a we need a power um on off switch as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh for the remote ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , just the switch ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Remotes don't have power on off switch .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "no f not for the T_V_ for the T_V_ . Uh so you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . S no , that'll be controlled by the {disfmarker} those buttons'll be there already , yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What a",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Where ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Means on the remote .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "On the side .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because remote is going to have both the interfaces , scroll as well as buttons . They are not going to cost you much , everything is in-house and now you don't want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , I dunno if the traditional user is gonna buy a a banana remote in the first place , you know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh , yeah . That's that's another issue which I didn't think of .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Y I mean you need to kind of keep it um {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But you know our targets are very high , means fifty million Euros is the profit which we want make .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What about {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , how many of these did we wanna sell ? I can't remember ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Twenty five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twenty five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Twelve point five is the profit on one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , but how many units did we need to to sell {gap} ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh forty th four . Point point four million ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Four millions ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Four point four million .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Point four million .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} That's a lot of fruit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} In the market .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} What about a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So . Well . No . Time is running , we have to close the meeting in a few minutes .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , okay , the next step , you can come back to your seat .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The next step is to go for {vocalsound} {disfmarker} to f is to go to uh to building a prototype , based on this , okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So next meeting you guys have to prepare the followi things . You have to uh work on the look and feel uh design and you have to work on the user interface , in fact you two you have to work together to model the first uh f first prototype .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh Marketing Expert uh have to go to product evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I wo what about adding the {disfmarker} this word spotting , keyword spotting recognition saying {gap} volume up volume down ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's too difficult .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's too difficult but people like innovation and that's really uh innovative and I don't know if it would cost a lot , just a few {disfmarker} five words .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not a possi it will not be possible to implement it for the next prototype , so t it's {disfmarker} in the next prototype so let's skip it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "For the future prototypes . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , maybe , for the n if if if it it works well , we'll go for uh an orange one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That can be the t That can be like the turbo banana plus plus commando .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah , honour the fruit .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Plus plus , okay . Maybe objective banana ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thanks very much . We'll see n next meeting . Bye .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So meeting's over ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yep . We have to go design the prototype .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay . Okay . Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "The problem is after all this meeting there is {gap} {vocalsound} {gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
}
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{
"answer": "Project Manager started meeting on the detailed design of the remote control. User Interface and Industrial Designer gave a presentation on the prototype with a banana leaf base station and a hand-sized remote with two scroll wheels, the turbo button, the teletext button, the calling button, the rechargeable-batteries power source, and the speaker regular chip. Next, the group evaluated based on Marketing's list of user requirement criteria. Then, groupmates discussed the cost estimation, including the component production cost. They agreed to use plastic instead of rubber material for the dual chips. Also, they agreed not to use LCD and no button supplements to avoid over budget. Lastly, the group discussed the project process. The group agreed they had creativity, while User Interface suggested that they should find out more target markets. Besides, Project Manager suggested doing a street survey. Also, User Interface suggested that they could simplify the interface and the circuit board.",
"query": "Summarize the whole meeting."
}
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{
"answer": "User Interface and Industrial Designer firstly presented on the prototype features which agreed to have a banana shape with a size that fitted to the hand. Also, they showed the prototype with a leaf base station with a calling button to locate the remote control. As agreed by the group, the prototype would have two scroll wheels to control the volume and the channel, the turbo button that also could be used to turn on the TV, the teletext button to faster switch the channel. Also, the group decided to give up on the solar cells and to use rechargeable batteries for the power source. Concerning the product cost, the group decided to use a regular chip for the speaker.",
"query": "Summarize the group discussion about the presentation on the prototype.",
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]
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"answer": "Marketing constructed a list of evaluation criteria based on the general user requirement. The group had an evaluation on the prototype, and they agreed it was a fancy, handy, and cool device that was easy to use. While User Interface disagreed with the criteria on whether people would change their remote control for a new one because he thought the banana didn't have a positive impression and it might have a market for young people.",
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"answer": "When discussing the criteria on whether people would change their remote control, User Interface gave a two out of seven on it because of the negative impression the banana brought. In fact, User Interface didn't want a banana on the living room table though the product was handy, unless other twenty-five-Euro remote controls looked ugly. While, User Interface thought it still had the word of its feature at the beginning, so User Interface changed to give four on this criteria question.",
"query": "Why did User Interface change from giving two out of seven to giving four when discussing evaluation criteria on whether people would buy the remote control?",
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"answer": "The group had a production cost of 12.5 Euros. They agreed to not add solar cells for power source nor a sample speaker instead of a simple beep. They would have one battery, two regular chips on the print, double curves which stuck to the plastic, two scroll wheels, and three push buttons. The group would not use LCD and they would have a base station that was made out of units of plastic to balance the cost.",
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"answer": "Project Manager agreed that the group had used fairly on the whiteboard and digital pen during the meeting. They all agreed on much creativity satisfaction during the discussion. User Interface supplemented that they should focus on broader target markets within the European countries. Also, Project Manager suggested that they should use the same evaluation criteria to do a street survey with young people. The group agreed to improve in an integrated circuit board to control things other than TV.",
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"answer": "User Interface suggested two new ideas. Firstly, to simplify the circuit board that they were using inside. This was because the group might need an integrated circuit. Secondly, version two could have the ability to control things other than the TV and not just electronic equipment but the whole environment of the room.",
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{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Good afternoon again .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we should have our final meeting about the detail designed of {disfmarker} detail design of the product of the remote control . Um {vocalsound} So here is the agenda for today . Uh uh just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last last uh meeting then we have a p presentation of prototype of you two , sounds interesting . And we'll have um {vocalsound} presentation of evaluation crit criteria by ou our Marketing Experts . Then we'll have to go through finance evaluation of the of the cost of the thing and um hopefully uh we should fit the target o tw of twelve point five uh uh Euro . {vocalsound} Okay . So let's go . Uh if I go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting . {vocalsound} So we went through th uh w we took this following decisions . No L_C_D_ , no speech recognition technology , okay , we went through a b to a banana look and feel for the remote control . We went through the use of wheels and but buttons . {vocalsound} And also the use of a basis station for battery ch charging and uh also to um call the to call the mot mote remote control when it is lost . Okay . Um . Good . So guys let {gap} this uh wonderful thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we can go to the slides .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Oh yeah . Sorry . Um .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Number three . Oh number two sorry .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Which is {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So final design . Final design . Okay so Michael you can go ahead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so uh following our decision to uh make a yellow {disfmarker} well to make a banana",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "remote {disfmarker} okay so we actually have a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You can pull it out first , maybe .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We've {disfmarker} well first first of all we made a an attractive {vocalsound} base station uh with a banana leaf uh look and feel um and uh",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "bana sit {disfmarker} the banana sits in there k you know nicely weighted so that it's not gonna tip over and um this is the remote itself , it's kind of it's it's ergonomic , it fits in the hand uh rather well . We've got the two uh {vocalsound} uh scroll wheels here which you know one on the the left for the uh volume and the one on the right for for the channel and uh underneath {vocalsound} we have the uh the turbo button which is in like a nice uh trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What's the use uh of the t turbo button already ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is when you when you uh are scrolling the uh {disfmarker} through the channels you can tell it to to skip th past channels that you {disfmarker} quickly rather th",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah yeah an then you stop when you stop it stops .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Well when you stop scrolling the wheel it stops . But normally with uh {disfmarker} it will just uh s stay on each station briefly so you can see the the picture .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we we do have one more functionality . If you take the banana as such and uh you press the turbo button , so it switch ons the switch ons the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The T_V_ yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Which one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The s the turbo button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The turbo button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So rather than having uh an extra button for um for the on off switch you just use the turbo button .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Additional button .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What this button for ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is a teletext button . So once you press that then you get teletext",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "To navigate it through th through teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To navigate yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "But if you want to go to page seven hundred ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right , that's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap} with the wheel it's easy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How man",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well then you can you you have like a little uh number selection thing , you press the {gap} the the teletext button uh to move between uh the fields and then you can just scroll the number back and forth so you have s you go {disfmarker} you scroll to seven and then zero zero and then you can uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I don't understand it . Can you repeat it ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well you can you can press press the teletext button",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and then you then you can you can f",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And you can tele",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay okay . Okay . Okay okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Mm uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "once you press the teletext button then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext , they are no more for channel or vol volume .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I see . I see . Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And this is the uh the infrared uh port .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Also the top of the banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So . And then we have",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "in the uh in the base station we have the the button at the front for uh for calling the uh the banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Calling . Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the the leaves plays the roles of of antennas ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually they do .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's that's yeah that's uh that's form and function in the one in the one uh object .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So it always means , whatever the rays goes by they they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's like antennas .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "But yeah that's um that's just like {disfmarker} that's an attractive um base station .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Great . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So , what else ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries and this and uh the basis station is going to have the input from the mm power line for for charging the batteries .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Is it really weight ? Is it light or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It is very light .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , they're light .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's it's uh it's about the weight of a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You know , to give you the correct look and feel .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ok",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And we have put these different colours so that people don't mistake them mistake it as a banana .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise it's you know a child comes and so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah yeah yeah , I see . I under I understand .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think a child would try to eat it anyway , so maybe we should",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "consider that . {gap} maybe health and safety aspects .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh we didn't think of that yet . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So for the power source , apparently you still {disfmarker} you you want to use both solar cells and batteries .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah that's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh you mean {disfmarker} okay . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't really know if the solar cells are actually necessary any more if you have a recharging base station .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , where are going to {disfmarker} where are you are you going to place them ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm mm-hmm . It'll It'll be always at top somewhere at there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "If I was gonna place them I'd put them on the on the top here since that's like uh the black bit",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You have enough surface ? You {gap} {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but yeah I don't I really don't think it's necessary to have the solar cells anymore .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteries",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so that that is {gap} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "What will be the autonomy ? Roughly ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "The what sorry ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The autonomy . Autonomy .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What do you mean ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh I mean how long does i how how how long can it be held off a station ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "How long the {disfmarker} how long the bit the batteries long .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Ah . Ah . A long time .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . A long {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No no no ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Eight to ten eight to ten hours .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it can {disfmarker} it should be weeks .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "N most {disfmarker} no most of the time it's not being used .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but y people don't like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave wanna leave it on the couch so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So when when you are making it on {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's used only when you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm . Mm-hmm . No eight or eight or ten hours of working .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah , okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "If you are just leaving like that it'll be much longer .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . F weeks .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Right . Next slide ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . And we are having the speakers regular chip for control . Pricing is {disfmarker} was a factor so that's why we have gone for a regular chip only not the advanced chip . And uh that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {gap} Okay . Those really sounds very good .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Nothing else to add ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It seems to be falling over .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I l yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I like I like it . Maybe the the thing that convince me the less is the {vocalsound} the multifunctional buttons . Looks a bit {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You want to have more functional buttons ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Looks a bit puzzled uh I dunno how to say {vocalsound} that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You are not convinced .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} the the b the buttons change h h their function depending if y it's teletext or not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not not many , we we want to keep it simple . So that this button fo is for teletext which is usually also the case , that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that , the channel buttons , they baco become the scrolling buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And the volume button will will become {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's up to you , means .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well in fact b both will be {disfmarker} could be useful , navigating through teletext .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Now that {disfmarker} Means let's say this this can move the the larger digits and this can move the smaller digits .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Or can move between positions in the in the number .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And what about people who want to use digits ? Butto real buttons ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Wow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So there was there was a constraint that the surface area which we have on this banana on one side because of the shape .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we are targeting a segment which is which is just very trendy kind of thing , they they don't care about the buttons any more . And anyway {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Because have you thought about configuration and all this kind of uh stuff ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's all automatic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's all automatic .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Okay yeah it's fine .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Very good uh yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "W we are living in a wonderful world . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} you th yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Uh . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Bananas everywhere .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Automatically configure {gap} . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we have to go through now evaluations .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Evalua yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So your slides are ready ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Uh you're four I think .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So this is one , which one is this one ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . I {vocalsound} I const I constructed a a list of criteria based on the on the general user requirements . And each criteria is {vocalsound} will be evaluated it's uh logical criteria so we must users must say i if it's true or is {disfmarker} or if it's false in a in a scale ranging from zero to seven .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Why this strange factor of seven ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because i I'm sorry . Sorry .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Usually I have seen that scales are from one to ten .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah yeah . It's from {disfmarker} sorry , it's from one to seven . It's from from one to seven sorry . Because it should be an even it should be an even uh scale ,",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Num number {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and five is too short and nine is too long .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'm a I I'm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay fine , got the idea .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So to have {disfmarker} in order to have enough granularity {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "it's in order to have enough granularity in the evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The variance is mi it's is minimal .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , okay , great .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I'm um answering your question .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Go ahead .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And that's the criteria I I found more useful . I think I sh I {vocalsound} I could write the criteria in the on the whiteboard ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "And we all four could range",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Yeah yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "could evaluate the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you can say fancy , handy . Handy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay let's let's evaluate if it's fancy or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , it's fancy , according to me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Seven but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "S seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Seven . Seven by me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say seven .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's quite fancy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So you can add seven plus six plus seven plus {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , wait .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah uh five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "What do you say seven ? Five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Five , maybe maybe maybe six it's it's I guess it's {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , six point five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Handy ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Again I'll give seven .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd give it a six like I'd I think it's probably more handy than my current remote , 'cause of the scroll wheels",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "but maybe loses the point for not having you know the extra buttons when you reall if you do need them for some reason but you know you can always use your other remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So seven , seven ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Seven for me .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "six ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "six point five . Functional . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll give five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say {disfmarker} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well it depends when you say functional , do you mean it does what we want it to do , or d does what it does , you know , can it make you coffee ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Everything ar",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh for a remote control , does he have all the {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm everything {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "you could expect .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It's compared to the all",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "remote controls .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's before {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right . The standards . What is available in the market off the shelf .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . I have to say four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually I don't know what are the r the real specification of a of a universal remote contro",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well it's not a universal remote . Remember we're focus we're supposed to focus just on T_V_s .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} We {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ah it's not an univer but it's for all kind of T_V_s ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well all T_V_s but only T_ {disfmarker} only T_V_s I guess .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it's universal but for T_V_s . {vocalsound} So s uh four ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Five ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Four . Four .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So four point two ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Just four .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Four .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} four . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Obviously there are some outliers so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So four ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay cool ? Cool device .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "There I'll give it seven .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "It means cool features , like new features actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "For a T_V_ the most important feature which I felt was the locator which is a cool feature . And then the scroll buttons are again cool features . We don't have L_C_D_ for it but that we decided we don't want to have .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say five .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'll say five .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Seven .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Plus six , I say {disfmarker} I said seven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So it's six .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You said seven ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "'Cause it's five five seven seven so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh , okay , definitely easy to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Definitely seven .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Seven .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seven . Seven . And you ? Outl you are not lik outlier .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Five . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Seven {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay okay okay okay .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Sorry , I have them {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Alright , now here's the sixty million Dollar question ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "well , twenty five twenty five Euro question .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Of course I'll buy the {gap} banana . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "What do you what do you guys reckon ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Of cour Of course the most difficult question for the end . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'll say five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll say five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Twenty five Euros . {vocalsound} Cheap .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "I find it quite cheap {vocalsound} actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I dunno . If i i it depends , if you live in in Switzerland or you live in {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , so the target price is for all Europe , or only for rich countries ? {vocalsound} It's more targeting U_K_ or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know . Wha the initial specifications were for the whole all Europe or {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So this is selling costs , not production costs .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah this is the the initial specifications .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah yeah sure . Um {disfmarker} Five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I would say six . It's quite cheap actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say two .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Aw , should be nice in your {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Why ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I don't want a banana on my {vocalsound} living room table , a banana remote .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No but it's really handy actually if you see .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It is handy , it's handy , but it it's terrible .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's it's so handy . And then {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} It's kitsch .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Anyb anybody who comes here {vocalsound} {disfmarker} anybody who comes to your home he'll at least ask once what is this .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah , but it's not a positive thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's a very positive thing if you see like that {vocalsound} .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well , you know , it's it's handy , it's ergonomic , but it's a banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well , don't forget well , don't for don't forget who we're targeting also who are f f who are wh",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Youngsters .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "yeah , youngst youngst",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but it says I , I would buy this , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually maybe {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} if you would be young .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Not telling that you are young . Li li like a teenager for instance .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No , it's I . I would buy {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay you're you're crazy teenager and you like fun things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You want to flaunt .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "You {disfmarker} with your girlfriend or something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , you want to show the beautiful banana you have . {gap}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S s",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Or might be it does some other kind of thing but {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Still I I'd say two . I don't think I {disfmarker} at any stage in my life I would want a banana remote control , really .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , crazy .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so you s you give {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I can say , maybe there is a market for it , I dunno .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "oh yeah yeah I know I know .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So you say two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I say five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "F I d I say five . You say ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I change the question . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So what's the new question ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And you have saved it ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So yeah upload the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "You'll have to reload .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh yeah , I think so . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay , so , it depends if uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah it's two different situations . If you really need an universal remote control or if you would change your remote control for a n for a new one .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah that's two different question .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "If I had t if I had to spend twenty five Euro , if that was like my limit , maybe I would buy it . Because the other twenty five Euro remote controls are probably gonna look",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ugly .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "worse than a banana . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "They're not going to be as {disfmarker} And they they might not be a as easy as this {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And it {disfmarker} yeah this is gonna f you know handy to use .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So ? What now ? What range ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I stick to five .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Although it still has it still has the word of course at the beginning {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I go slightly up . Six .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Six .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "so I dunno . Um .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "W we have six , five {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I'd give it I'd give it a",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Three {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I give it a four now .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Six ? Six ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So we are six , five , four {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Six , five , four .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Six , so it's uh five point five , or less .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So and last question , will I change my rem change my remote control from Mando banana . Um , zero . No uh we can't . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually yeah , I {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well if {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No uh let's say I'll put two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I'd say three , I mean my remote control is kinda {disfmarker} at home is pretty terrible . If it was {disfmarker} change my remote control of my D_V_D_ player for a Mando banana then I would be more inclined to",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "It's for the T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but uh {disfmarker} 'cause it's really bad but uh {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'd say a three . {gap}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "I'll still give it five . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Two three five two three fi and two .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} You are romantic , really .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} So it's somewhere three point five I think .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} I would say two .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "So it's r Yeah , three point five . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Who is the outlier ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Wh wh {vocalsound} you said five ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} No no you say five , he is the outlier .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No I said five .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay just just do a sum .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I don't know if {vocalsound} it's a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's not very promising but you know we're not young trendsetters . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No because there are more {disfmarker} yeah , we shouldn't sum like that .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe we should we should uh have a look globally glob",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Because the the last two questions is much more important than the rest actually .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Otherwise we wouldn't {disfmarker} we will not sell .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Is there some some formula you're using that says you have to sum them up ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh no I didn't {gap} anything . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Well just leave it at that then .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Oops .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe maybe w we can we should stick to general feeling . We can had uh have a {disfmarker} out of these numbers , which which is that well we should go for it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , the uh {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Problem with connectors ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Do you want me to sum",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah it's it's funny . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "o I think it's not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I think it it kind of you just lose information if you sum it , so .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So let's move uh let's move on .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , sure .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay , {gap} now now we have to mm to estimate {vocalsound} uh the cost okay . So I prepare an Excel sh uh an Excel sheet . Um well we are going to calculate the production costs . We should we should be below twelve point five . So I already uh put some pu some numbers here , okay . We are going to go through {vocalsound} {disfmarker} so this is the number the mm number of components we need for this thing . So it appears that there were things that we didn't thought about . Uh and also things that I uh I d I forget to uh to put like solar cells .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well we decided against the solar cells so {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah finally we say no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Solar cells , yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah , we said no to that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so let's let's go let's go let go through all the lines . So hand dynamo . This something we didn't thought about . But {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You mean , charging it by shaking the banana .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we we stick to battery , one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "To bring the cost {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No kinetic also . I don't I don't see the difference between kinetic and dynamo .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah you have to {disfmarker} ah okay I see so kinetic is really uh shaking the banana .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Crazy . Okay . So those banana is falling . Let's go ahead . So we we st only have one for battery . Uh then for electronics um so I didn't put anything for the {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we have the regular chip on the print , which is one .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay . No {disfmarker} so we hin",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we have sample speaker .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so one .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Yeah . {gap} the cost of that is very high .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Ooh ye ye ye the cost is increasing . So we are {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well actually that that {disfmarker} no that sample speaker is not {disfmarker} we we're not using that , we're just using the the very beep {disfmarker} simple beep ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "The beep .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "that s that sample thing is like the voice recording and everything .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh-huh .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "That's what {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Okay so I'll remove it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "S",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I say that {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So don't we need a {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And we have sev",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Oh there is no listing for r radio frequency thing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So we we'll put some extras , if there is something .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe . We'll see later .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so in {disfmarker} for the case um {vocalsound} I put single curved .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . To reduce the cost , it's okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Well , wait a second ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Because we have two things .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "no , it's it's double curved , it's got a c , it's uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh it's got all the directions",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "so don't worry . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well d yeah it's monotonic {vocalsound} but",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's got a {gap} direction . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "it's got {disfmarker} but if you hold it if you hold it that way that's two curved , one on this side , one on that side , but they're opposite sides .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Well . What a {disfmarker} what i if I put one here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "This is actually {disfmarker} I mean this probably",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually what's the differen",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "this probably actually costs more than three",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah so let's put one here in the {gap} then instead of single",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "if you {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "oka all right .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So we stick to plastic , it cost nothing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well {gap} {disfmarker} no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No , it's too {disfmarker} no .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} if you drop it ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Too expensive .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It's too expensive . We're already at eleven .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well when {disfmarker} okay . Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so I put rubber one . Okay so special colour , yellow .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Uh for the interface we have {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "We don't have any push buttons .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "No , we have two push buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "We have three .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No that is a scroll wheel itself , it'll be put in that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Huh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "No no . We have two scroll , and we have three push buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Ah okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay , okay .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay it's gonna have to be plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two , because there is another chip here .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No it's {gap} no chip . This is just radio frequency {gap} . Th This is no chip .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah but",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . There's no chip there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "you need {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "It just emits the signal .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's just {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And the receiver accepts it and that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Fo i it does nothing actually ?",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "No . Just {disfmarker} only {gap} .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Just se sends the signal , that's it .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It's a recharger thing and uh {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Well I actually did um think about it myself {vocalsound} but I thought you know {disfmarker} because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a {disfmarker} instead of a turbo button",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah ,",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "but you know the turbo button does add that extra class .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "so {disfmarker} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "You know . So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay . So no L_C_D_ , so for {disfmarker} we have no button supplements , right ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep . No .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Uh {vocalsound} well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because {disfmarker} oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . No we're not {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "we don't need anything special for the buttons .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Okay so we are over budget .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So first thing which we should take care of is ,",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Make it plastic instead of rubber .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "instead of rubber , let it be plastic .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "And uh that much money will be required for the base station , which is not there .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "So mayb in fact n we have to put two here",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "because it cost nothing .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of {vocalsound} plastic .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which {disfmarker} the cord and everything which'll go {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Does that include charging circuitry and everything ? {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe . Okay good . Wha",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Excellent .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So what do we do with the extra profits ?",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Um we'll invest in R_ and D_ .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} The next fruit .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . So well we're under the the the cost . So we can go to {disfmarker} through to project evaluation . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy . Would {disfmarker} yeah , would buy .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Sorry ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No we have a product which none of us would buy . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah because th th the evaluation project {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Which is different . Which is different . None of us will buy it .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Ah would buy , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "We're n",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Massively , yeah .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "yeah . We're not in Milan or Paris .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Okay . Uh you have been in Milan a couple of times , so .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "This is a battery . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Actually there were a lot of {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And you said the lowest {gap} .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "This is what we {disfmarker} which you can mm {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "S Detachable battery .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "It did {disfmarker} yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "That's 'cause I'm sick of Milan .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah , for the batteries {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Extra battery , yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay so um {vocalsound} project process .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Exac {vocalsound} Well in fact I I did not know {vocalsound} I didn't know really what to say here .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say . So I don't I don't I don't understand what what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Should it be more like um like a status of of the {disfmarker} these meetings in fact .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Yeah .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Oh yeah it's really creative .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um {vocalsound} like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "They like that .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "see if they like it .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yeah maybe we should go through , yeah an uh evaluation .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of pointless .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Biased .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation {vocalsound} in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "'Cause you know if {disfmarker} well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Might have to draw a face on it . So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Yep . Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ?",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yeah . The cost of the thing can be made more than might be . Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Interface .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside ,",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "I'm not sure really how complicated our um",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "our needs are . I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers , do we really need an integrated circuit to",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Hmm .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "you know to process that .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T_V_ .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "That's right .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "The complexity shouldn't be much higher .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Yeah .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "For {disfmarker} you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool . I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Integrate .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "Okay . {vocalsound} Very good . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "So {disfmarker} What else ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Well done . I think we we can go",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Okay . Home ?",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "home .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Happily satisfied . {vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound}",
"speaker": "Marketing"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Yeah . Maybe maybe we can hassle the the production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Mm-hmm .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "{gap} Okay so thanks very much .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "Yep .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bye .",
"speaker": "Project Manager"
},
{
"content": "{vocalsound} Okay .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "Industrial Designer"
},
{
"content": "Thank you .",
"speaker": "User Interface"
},
{
"content": "Bye .",
"speaker": "Marketing"
}
] |
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